Trauma Bonds, Generational Curses & African Ancient Quantum Healing | with Gao Motsemme - The Other Side of Fear

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Kertia (00:00):
Hey everyone, I hope you're all keeping well.
There has been a lot happeningin the world right now, so my
heart goes out to anyone who hasbeen impacted by the many
catastrophic events of late,wherever you are in the world.
My biggest hope and what I'mlooking forward to for all of us
, individually and as acollective, is that we move

(00:23):
forward by transmuting theenergies surrounding the pain,
the fears and the various formsof suffering that we are
experiencing.
But, of course, it starts withyou First, on the individual
level, looking at the parts ofyou that you keep hidden, the

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parts that are chaotic, that arehurting, the parts that are
fearful, angry or feel ashamed,because what we see in the world
is just a reflection of what isalready within us.
So it is important that wereconnect with the light within
ourselves so that we can thenproject that light outward into

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the world.
And this conversation with myguest, Gao Motsemme, is so
relevant right now because, as ahealer, that is exactly what
she helps people to do to healon a multidimensional level, to
transform their lives.
So, as a human MRI and psychicsurgeon, she sees and feels into

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the energy fields ofindividuals to help free them of
old patterns, various ailments,stagnant energy and a lot of
the things that often holds usback, so that they can live a
more fulfilled, empowered life.
And we touched on so manythings in this episode toxic

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positivity, spiritual bypassing,trauma bonds, generational
curses and cutting the cordswith past lovers, oh my goodness
.
But one thing I appreciatedabout what she had to say about
cord cutting is that it's notabout cutting the cord per se,

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but about neutralizing theenergy that led to the
attraction in the first place.
And an interesting thinghappened during this recording,
because she even picked up onthe energy around the ovarian
cysts that I've had for manyyears in both ovaries, without
having any prior knowledge aboutme.

(02:36):
So, yeah, that was.
That was really interesting,interesting.
But what I also love about thisconversation is when we spoke
about the importance of being inthe body, learning how to be in
the body, especially as itrelates to those of us who have
experienced trauma that hascaused us to disassociate from

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the body.
Reconnecting with the body isso important for healing, and
the truth is that a lot of usare disconnected from our bodies
without even knowing it.
And I truth is that a lot of usare disconnected from our
bodies without even knowing it,and I'll be the first to admit
that I've been that person whohas, due to childhood sexual
trauma, disconnected from mybody.
But, as always, the first steptowards healing our pain is to

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actually recognize it, toacknowledge it, to own it.
You know, sitting with yourtruth and giving it your full
awareness and, as Gao says, holdspace for the wound that's
created it.
Sometimes we are still sosituated so deeply within that
wound that we don't know how tohold space for ourselves, for

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the wounded child within us, andthat's why healers like Gao are
so helpful, because they areequipped to help us get there.
But she said something thatreally drove this message home,
and this that you can't healwhat you don't feel.
You can't heal what you don'tfeel.

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You can't heal what you don'tfeel.
You can't mindset yourself outof healing.
You have to sit with the wound,feel it and listen to it.
When she said that, that hitthe spot.
That hit the spot.

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That hit the spot like, take asecond and take it in.
But I say this to say thatlet's put an end to the
spiritual bypassing that so manyof us are good at and let's
take the mask off so that we cantruly see ourselves.

Gao (05:15):
I always say this actually, like, some things are just
bridges, yeah, so if you wannacamp on a bridge, build a house
on a bridge, then it's gonna bepainful.

Kertia (05:21):
Oh my god, I like that though.
Yeah, a lot of people arebuilding a lot of things on
bridges.

Gao (05:27):
Absolutely.

Kertia (05:28):
I've built a few things on bridges too.

Gao (05:31):
We learned the hard way right, oh my gosh, I have
learned the hard way.
I did too.
I did too.
I didn't get here overnight,and I actually say this when I'm
talking to my clients and sayyou know what, don't be stubborn
as I was If.

Kertia (05:50):
I wasn't stubborn.

Gao (05:51):
I wouldn't have experienced a lot of pain, but somehow I
was fighting with life Insteadof making love with it.

Kertia (06:01):
I like that, but what do you mean by?
You were stubborn with life.
What was it that you werefighting Because?
Did you like, intuitively, like, know something that you went
against?
What do you mean by that?

Gao (06:14):
It's quite interesting because I'm wondering if I
believe that we always know,like.
For me, it's like every singledecision choice that I made, I
knew, but somehow I always likethis.
This is what I believe, andthis was my case.
If your wound is too loud,you're going to ignore your
intuition and listen to yourwound.

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So I listened to my woundrather than where my intuition
was guiding me.
So every time when I knew thatthere's a no, but I'll try to
logically twist everythingaround.
Oh yeah, especially when itcomes to relationship, I fell in
love with potential, you know,but the potential that needed to

(06:55):
be unleashed was mine yeah, Ithink a lot of us do that a lot,
falling in love with potential.

Kertia (07:03):
Yeah, yeah, I've done that a few times, very painful,
very painful, yeah, yeah, um, soyou know, you say you're a
psychic surgeon.
What does that mean?
What is a psychic surgeon?
What do you do as a psychicsurgeon?

Gao (07:26):
that's a good question.
As a psychic surgeon, I dosurgeries, but before I can get
to the surgeries that I do whichis like psychically, I don't
get to open anyone's body, but Ijust do what I need to do and
let everyone be okay withoutscars.

(07:46):
So I want to connect withsomebody, I get to scan their
body and sometimes it's not likeI want to have a conversation,
but the body will reach out tome, literally, whether someone
is sending me a message like hey, whatever that they're talking
about, if there is somethingthat needs attention, whether
it's an inner child or a deeppain, that's the first thing

(08:09):
that will greet me.
And this is what I'm alsosaying.
You know, our energy says hibefore we can open our mouth.
So with me, that's the case.
When I connect with people, it'slike I'm speaking to that
energy, I'm speaking to thatbody, before I can hear what
they're saying.
So there's a lot of things thatjust jump out, showing up like

(08:31):
hey, there is pain here, thereis a negative entity, attachment
here, there is whatever that is.
This person is is in grief,like you know.
So I I'm hit with all thosethings before we can get
anywhere.
So I get to know where theblocks are stored and all that,
and then if they are open toreally doing the work, then we

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go ahead and remove all that andbring in whatever codes that
they need.
That's what I do, nice.

Kertia (09:04):
I like that.
How do you, are you workingwith different spiritual beings?
Like, how does it work for you,because I know like it works
differently for different people.
What is that process like whenyou're making that energetic
connection?

Gao (09:19):
um, I'm working with myself , with my higher self, I would
say, and speaking with differentspiritual beings.
It's one thing that I would say.
In the beginning I was like,yeah, I want to do that as well,
but it was more coming from, Iwould say, from the ego.
Also, especially when you'retalking about angels, it's kind

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of like, okay, since I grew upin a religious family, maybe
when I'm talking about angelsthey will understand that you
know.
But on the other hand, for meit was like, just come back to
your roots, like this is thegift that I was born with.
It's like I'm coming from alineage of healers, you know,
but many turned that back andwent to religions and they

(10:04):
didn't want to embrace who theyfully are.
So for me, it's connecting tomyself, connecting to my high
self, and the beautiful thingthat I actually want to just
touch on is that anyone who isalso new in this spirituality
journey and is kind of like, oh,I want to go out there and
connect to whoever and whateverI often find that people are

(10:24):
disconnected from their body andthey want it's kind of like, oh
, I want to go out there andconnect to whoever and whatever
I often find that people aredisconnected from their body and
they want it's kind of like Iwant to.
Actually, I feel like it'savoidance in a way.
They don't want to deal withthat stuff, but it's kind of
like I'm going to go out therein the cosmos and reach out and
connect with somebody so thatthey don't get to be here and
connect with what is here Oneway or the other.

(10:51):
I would say that was also oneof the reason, because it felt
good to be out there, travelingin the clouds, connecting to
whoever, but on the other hand,it opens you to a lot of
discordant energies, because noteverybody who comes through
saying I'm an ascended master,I'm an angel or whatever they're
not.
They're not that for manygenerations we've had false
beings claiming to be whateverthey claim to be.
You know.
So if you are not connected toyour body and able to descend,

(11:14):
you're going to be attached tonegative entities.
You're going to attach to falseascended masters, false angelic
beings.
You know and think that you aregoing somewhere, but yet it's
kind of like you're trappingyour consciousness in whatever
that is.
So when you are connected toyour body one thing that I love
about that it doesn't matterwhether we're talking about
physical beings or light beings,you know, or spirit beings,

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whatever you call it.
But when you're connected toyour body, you are here, you are
present, you are able todiscern, even when, whether it's
a spiritual being comingthrough, you get to know first.
First thing, you can tell justby feeling into your energy
whether this is like it feelslighter.
Is it pure light and love, orit's just like false light.

(11:59):
Uh, even when you're having aconversation with somebody,
whatever that they say may soundgood, this is why people will
say, oh, I don't know how Imissed that at Flex, because you
are not present.
You went and held into all thisinformation.
You are in your mind.
So anyone who comes in yourmind and tell you what they tell
you, you're going to fall forit.
So it's kind of like you ask,because often it's like this

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mind controls you know.
So mind controls you know.
So it's very important thatpeople first connect to
themselves, because this life isthe life that is important.
This is the body that we areworking.
Whatever, whether it's youmanifesting whatever you need in
life, whether it's you bringingwhatever spiritual codes, gifts
, it has to be through the body.
So if the if you're notconnected to the body, if you

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don't have even the capacity inthe body, whatever that you say
you want, it's gonna be like outthere, but you're not gonna be
able to ground it and give birthto that.
Because my strong belief is youcan give birth to what you
don't conceive yeah, definitely.

Kertia (12:56):
You can't give birth to what you don't conceive.
I love that, yeah, yeah, howwould you say?
How would you say, how wouldyou say, let's backtrack a
little bit, though.
What initiated you on this path?

Gao (13:10):
That's a good question too.
I have always been who I amlike, since, from childhood, my
I was, I was, my journey was,was different, but, on the other
hand, knowing what I knew as achild, the first thing that my
family said was like, oh my god,you're gonna be a traditional

(13:33):
doctor.
I always say this with, uh, Imean, I'm an african, so I'm
just gonna talk about that orpeople of color, whatever that
is that we have a tendency of.
Actually, we've beenconditioned to be like that for
a generation.
You know, with being colonizedand all that, it's kind of like
our mind has been yeah, whateverthat happened.

(13:56):
So when I shared what I shared,the first thing was you're
going to be a traditional doctor, like there is a calling here.
The first thing was you'regoing to be a traditional doctor
, like there is a calling here,but you need to go to church,
get baptized and follow whateverthat is.
Let's kind of like do that toavoid this, like that was the
first advice that I got, youknow.

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So I went to church.
I was a church girl when I wasyoung, but it's quite
interesting because I have adistinct memory when I said I,
I'm flipping tired, and I wasstill young, probably 12 or so,
and we were coming from schoolplaying with other children and
I said something I think I saida swear word or something like
that and every time, every timewe did this, we'll sit down and

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then pray.
And then and I do it again, andthen I sit down and pray and
someone is like I'm flippingtired, you know, I'm tired of
praying for forgiveness.
I can't, you know, and for methat's when I started
backtracking, like from churchand all that, and I still
remember my mom at times wouldbe like I really don't know what
happened to this child.
You know, I don't know whathappened to her.

(15:01):
She used to go to church.
She was just a nice girlbecause then I wasn't a nice
girl, you know, I don't knowwhat happened to her.
She used to go to church.

Kertia (15:04):
She was just a nice girl .

Gao (15:05):
Because then I wasn't a nice girl, you know.
So I went through life and oneother thing again that is very
important is that being in adysfunctional family, which we
often don't embrace or justaccept, this is where I was born
.
You know, this is what I wasborn into.
You know, we don't acknowledgethat, we shy away from it.

(15:28):
So for me, there was that aswell, and just even speaking the
truth, even though it'suncomfortable, I was that child
who was like just outspoken, andoften I was just labeled as
crazy.
You know, like she's crazy,that one, okay, whatever, I'm
crazy, cool.
So, growing up with that andbeing different from my siblings

(15:49):
which is something that my momalways used to say you are not
like my other children, you know.
So I felt kind of like isolated, you know, like I didn't belong
, you know.
So, growing up with that andthen going out there to college
and then starting to work, beingin relationships, there was a
part of me that, at the sametime, wanted to belong and even

(16:11):
having these gifts, there aretimes when I shared it and then
you are weird, don't tell meanything if you see anything.
So you don't want to be weird,right?
So I started suppressing it.
But even if I did, there was apart of me that if I go for some
time and not getting certain,there was just like kind of like
the connection that I had.

(16:33):
You know, every time I'll beaware of things.
So if that is not happening, Iwould stop, because I used to go
out basically drink everyweekend, but when I realized
that I'm not getting anything, Istop and recoup, and then
that's when I will continue.
I'm not getting anything, Istop and recoup, and then that's
when I will continue withwhatever that was happening.
So I always had that connectionwith with souls, with God,
whatever we call it, you know.

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But there was.
I was not connected, fullyembodying it.
I was staying away from it, youknow, and I also wanted to
belong.
There was a part of me thatsuppressed my authentic me, you
know, and being in meetings,being with friends, I was always
in my head Like I would saysomething.
They're like oh, that's stupid.
Why did you say that?
You know being picked up by myboss, because there's patterns

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of dysfunction.
They don't just stop at home,they'll show up in romantic
relationship, they'll show up inyour profession, in your
business, you know.
So I had that at work and beingan accountant, because I was an
accountant, so that was a bigpart of my identity in the sense
of it's something that wasaccepted in the society, so it
esteemed me.
So when I lost my corporate jobwhich was like in a big company

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, you know, higher paid job andeverything it's kind of like I
lost my identity.
And that's when the shit startedreally going down, because
shortly after I had this visionof my younger brother having an
accident and then two weekslater he had that accident and a
year later my mom passed on andshortly after I started this,

(18:05):
yeah, court case with with the,with the father of my children,
a custodian case and all thatwhich was messy in its own way,
you know.
So it's kind of like likeeverything was kind of like I
don't, I don't believe this likewhy is this happening?
It's kind of like everythingwas just a surprise.
Especially being a singleparent, you know I was taking

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care of everything.
The father was not really thereand something that also pissed
me off to say oh, so men canchoose not to be there for their
children and whenever they showup, they show up and everything
has to stop and get that way,you know.
So I had that in me.
So that was, I would say thatwas like an initiation really,

(18:46):
because I was, I was livid, Iwas like I don't think there's
any word that can really I waslike the embodiment of
victimhood you know, yeah, andrightfully, rightfully so,
because even when I spoke topeople, when I shared, like this
is what is happening?
like from back home, some peoplewere like, hmm, I don't, like

(19:09):
there's something that you mightnot be telling us because you
are not married to this man.
So what do you mean?
Like we don't understand.
Like what are you talking about?
So it was not a normal case,you know.
So through that pain, and then Imet my now ex-husband.
So I believe the whole thingbecause the whole thing started

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um, I already met him my fianceby then so I think the whole
agenda behind it was more liketo sabotage that, or me
relocating with the children andstuff like that.
But at some point I had to alsoput on that brave, courageous
heart and everything and I justsaid F it, I'm not going to sit

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here and die a slow death withall the drama that is
surrounding me.
Then I decided to relocate,despite all that, I said I'm
going to fight this while I'maway, which was also making that
decision led to also judgment,criticism, blame, you know, from
other people.
Yeah, but the most importantthing that I want to identify

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here is there was a moment whenI was coming from work.
I was here and then I had this,just this nudge.
I was just excited.
I'm like I just want to write,like I wanted to write.
I didn't know what I was goingto write.
So I came and then I went to ashower, took a shower, then I
went to the dining room, I satdown, I took some papers and
started writing.

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And what I started writing waswho are you without your mother,
without your father, withoutyour religion, without your job,
without a house?
I started writing all thesethings, husband, like I'm
writing all these things, andI'm like, wow, this is good.
So I'm just I would say I wasreading it, but from the ego,

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not fully connected with it,because I'm thinking it would be
nice to share this with otherpeople.
But at the end, after listingeverything, who are you without
your children?
End after listing everything,who are you without your
children?
And I threw away that pen and Iwas like this is for me and I

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started bawling.
I just cried and the nextquestion was but who am I?
Because I didn't know who I was.
As women, we are esteemed by ourchildren.
At times it's like being adaughter, being a mother, all
those things being a husband, awife and all that we're holding

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into the labels and all thesepositions.
So at that moment, that was amoment when I was in pain but I
didn't know who I was, and thatwas like a big journey.
And the next thing, like it wasa lot of things that happened,
but I was just told it's time todo what you came here to do,

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yeah.
So that was like the beginningof of of everything.
But I would say all thechallenges, everything that I
lost along the way, including mychildren, was an initiation to
my work, because it was like theuniverse was ripping me of
everything that I thought I was,everything, so that I could be

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naked and find who I am.
You know, it was happening forme because all these things I
always say the religious system,family, society, culture,
political education always tellsus who we are before we can
find who we are.

Kertia (22:35):
Yeah.

Gao (22:36):
When life is happening, it's happening to say release
all that and allow the real youto emerge.

Kertia (22:52):
Yeah, that is so deep and so true.
You know, we, especially aswomen it happens with men as
well but woman has these extralabels and roles that we're
expected to abide by, and youridentity gets absorbed by so
many things that has nothing todo with who you are at your core
.
So, yeah, that was, that wasdeep.

(23:14):
How can you you know, becauseyou know you talk a lot about
reconnecting with our bodies howcan we begin to reconnect with
our bodies and what do we needto know before you know even
going on that path?

Gao (23:33):
That's a great question and it's taken me to one thing that
I love to do first.
So when I get on a podcast Ididn't do it here, but yeah and
when I start, of course now I'mjust going to tell you about
this I love to start with mynative language greetings, which

(23:55):
, on the other hand, talkingabout it, it's more like going
back to our roots.
You understand, you can do it.
Yeah, that's the beginning.
So, within my native language,for instance, when we greet each
other, it's more we sayDumelang, dumelang, lokai, and I

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love using those words becauseDumelang means agree, lokai
means where are you, as inlocate yourself.
So when you say, how do weconnect to our body?
First thing, the thing is whatare you agreeing to?
Right?
Because even when I say, goback to your roots, go back to
your roots, you're going.
The thing is, what are youagreeing to?
Right?
Because even when I say go backto your roots, go back to your
roots, you're going to findthings that are great.

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You're going to find thingsthat are not so great, but at
the end of the day, at a soullevel, you have agreed with
those things.
We have agreements, vows,contracts, family.
So, at a family level, societal, tribal, even collective
consciousness.
So, whether you are aware of itor not, you have agreed to this

(24:59):
dance and now we get toconsciously choose what is it
that we are agreeing to?
Because, if you ask me, how doI know?
The universe is like it'sholding a mirror all the time.
Within your relationship,relationships, actually, whether
it's romantic or professional,you always see what is playing

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around because we are relational.
Relationships are the bestthing that teaches us about
ourselves.
What is it that you see in themirror, whether it's in your
partner, with your children,friends, family what do you see?
And this is the time for you tolook at that, you know, because
when you're talking about beingconnected to your body being
grounded, it starts with goingto the things that ungrounded

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you.
If you are plugged intotemplates that are not making it
safe for you to be here, thenyou are disconnected and I don't
know.
I'm just going to follow whatis coming through, because right
now, what is coming through andit's quite interesting because
I was trying to ignore that whatcame through was like there is

(26:05):
this pain that, like I'm awarethat it's like anchoring in,
especially on the left rightpelvic area.
I'm aware that it's likeespecially on the left right
pelvic area.
I'm aware of that.
So it's kind of like that'swhat came through first.
But then what is coming throughto speak about is that some
people cannot feel safe in theirbody because they felt not

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wanted when their mother, forinstance, was conceived with
them.
So they felt that rejectionfrom when they were just in the
womb.
So we need to go there and andand and disconnect from that, or
even get to understand because,if at all, your mother was
pregnant and your father said Idon't want anything to do with

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this child, or somehow whatever,you absorbed all of that.
You made it all about you.
You exchanged some energy andtook some energy from your
parent, you know, and you youfelt it's quite interesting
because it's kind of like thisis where I am, because, as I'm
speaking about, as it started onthe right, on the right pelvic
area, and now it's going on theleft, it's kind of like um, like

(27:10):
poking, really, you know.
So when you felt that I don'twant this child, and when it
comes to pregnancy, not everyonehas been planned, actually,
most of the most of us.
We are not planned babies, youknow, and we have the children.
It's just like we're gonna havesex and then, oh, there is a
child here.
Oh my god, what are we gonna do?
Right, only a few have beenplanned.

(27:32):
So, depending on the situation,the first thing is kind of like
, oh my god, I'm not gonna.
I, I don't know if I want tohave this child.
You know especially that theenvironment that that we are
born in, even when it comes tosex, like sex before marriage,
it's.
There is a shame there.
Now imagine when you fallpregnant before you are married.
You know, even if it's becausepeople will be like, oh,

(27:54):
nowadays it doesn't matter.
It may not matter nowadays, butthe imprints that have been
around informs us they causethat shame.
Just unconsciously there isthat.
Even when people are asking so,when are you getting married?
It's not like getting married,this dude doesn't even want this
child.
What are you talking about?
You know so because growing up,like when I was young, I used

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to see like girls that wereolder than me and all that it
was very common in the past thatmen used to deny their children
.
These days, like that hasshifted big time.
So you can imagine now, when wego back, how, how this was
perceived and all that.
So this is like the first thing, going back to the situation
that made us not feel safe inour body, you know, because

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there is also all this bodyimage, body image shaming and
all that.
And another thing that I alsospeak about is our sexual story,
because our sexual energy it's.
It's connecting us to thedesires, it's bringing us to the
body.
If I'm seeing somebody that I'mattracted in, for me to feel
that I get to be here.
Even if you want to make lovewith your partner, you're

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feeling it in your body, eventhough the truth of it is, most
people they leave their body asin like kind of like they leave
themselves because they want tosatisfy the other person.
They do not know how to be andallow themselves to receive this
pleasure and still share itwhile they're still connected to
their body.
So your story of your sexualenergy as well is like one big

(29:22):
one, not just the sexualactivity, but what is your
connection to your sexual energy?
Because when I look at manysocietal beliefs and a lot of
stuff, even religions, honestlythere is that still shame around
the sexual energy.
You know, sex is a sin and allthat.
So when you look at it like,sexual energy is the life force

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energy.
It's that energy that makes uscome alive.
It's the energy of creation,it's the energy of
multiplication, right?
So if we are shy from thisenergy, which is truly, this is
why there is so much darkness,there is so much abuse around
the sexual energy.
It's life, but it's life thatis.
It has been suppressed,repressed and used in darkness,

(30:06):
so we are disconnected from it.
Even when we're having sex.
It's just common that for you tohave sex, you have to switch
off the lights and all that.
You don't have to see what ishappening.
It's something that is notspoken about.
You know, even in social media,if you post something about sex
, it's kind of like your videoor whatever is not supposed to
be seen or something like that.

(30:26):
It's something that we don'ttalk about, and yet there is a
lot of shame, there's a lot ofabuse around there.
So your sexual story is veryimportant, first thing because,
on the other hand, it'sconnected to your desires, your
true soul desires.
If you're saying I want to knowmy purpose, your purpose is
connected to this energy.
It's what is going to drive youwhen you feel that there is

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something that I'm being calledto do.
You may not know what it is,but that desire will lead you
and when you are present enough,when that thing comes through
or you see somebody doing whatyou know at your soul level that
this is what you are meant todo, it's going to activate you.
You're going to say this iswhat I want to do.
I can do that as well, becauseit's in you, you were born with

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it.
But if you are connected fromyour sexual energy, you are not
connected to your desires, right?
You don't even know what youwant.
It's kind of like I have to asksomebody else waiting for your
partner to say, hey, I want tohave sex.
You don't know.
You know, especially women, Isay patriarchy made women

(31:31):
powerless by shutting off theirwomb and it made men powerless
by shutting off their womb andit made men powerless by
shutting off their hearts.
I don't know if that answersyour question or is the long
part of answering it yeah, thatis true.

Kertia (31:44):
That is so true, you know.
Let's talk about that a littlebit more, about how we can use
our sexual energy in healingourselves, how we can use it to
reconnect back to our bodies andconnect that to our purpose.
I love when you were talkingabout how that is, that that

(32:05):
energy is so important, becauseit is actually what drives you
right.
It's that energy that gets youmoving.

Gao (32:14):
Yeah, yeah, it makes you say yes to life and sexual
energy.
It's quite interesting how this, like I would say this is like
the most important thing, andit's not only sexual, it's like
sexual activity, it's spiritual.

Kertia (32:30):
Yeah.

Gao (32:30):
Because when you are having sex good sex, having an orgasm
there is like a temporary death.
That happens in the sense ofwhen you are having that orgasm,
it's kind of like you leaveyour body for a bit and that's

(32:52):
like the highest level ofvulnerability because everything
is gonna take over.
You don't know what's gonnacome through at that moment.
This is why some people bemaking noise, and sometimes it
can open you up.
Isn't like that hard orgasm,really, where you start crying?
Emotions are happening, becausewe are not used to this highest

(33:15):
level of of of joy, bliss andall that, even though we claim
to want it, you know, but wesome, most people do not have
the capacity for it.
So when that happens, it's kindof like they don't know what
has happened.
And even in the moment, likethat moment, do you feel free to

(33:35):
just embrace where you are at,because that's the part of being
whatever that is showing up.
I'm going to be present with it, if at all.
You are having an orgasm andthen you start tearing.
It has opened your heart.
Are you comfortable justallowing yourself to be with
those tears?
And how about your partner?
Who are you merging with?
Right, and which is alsoimportant because this is the

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energy that connects us beyondthe.
I am with my partner or not.
When the relationship ends,these chords they don't just end
.
So at times, if someone isstuck in a toxic relationship,
when the relationship ends andit's kind of like I move on and

(34:21):
all that, you are stillconnected.
When somebody is on the otherside, they say what they say or
they feel a certain way aboutyou.
You are feeling it as if it'syou, but it's kind of like
you're being controlled by them.
And on the other hand,especially we talk about this
energy when it comes to maybestds and and all that what we

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don't realize is there is thosespiritual disease, you know,
where it's kind of like you areconnecting with.
If your partner is a cheater,that means you're connecting to
everyone that he's connected to.
So it gets messy.
So what I've realized with thepeople that I work with is that

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sometimes their life is doingwell, like they're doing well,
but then they connect withsomebody who either has a
negative energy addiction,there's entities, because it
also is one energy that is lovedby a lot of vibration.
You know those dark entitiesand stuff.
So if you are with somebody whois maybe they're just sleeping
with many people, they justbecome a portal for this

(35:26):
negative energy, you know.
And then you come and sleepwith them for this negative
energy, you know.
And then you come and sleepwith them Because, as a woman,
like when they say, when yougive a woman something, they
multiply it.
On the other hand, when youlook at our genitals, they are
inside.
That means if somebodypenetrates you, they're going to
leave whatever that they have,they're going to leave it within

(35:50):
.
This is why I'm not a big fanof what do they call it Makeup
sex or whatever.
You know and say, oh, makeupsex is good or whatever.
People are angry and then fromthere you have sex with your
partner because you are there,is like that force and all that.
But what you don't realize,especially for women, is that
what you're doing is you aretaking whatever.
That is because men use sex tosort of like release, relieve

(36:15):
themselves from all theemotional stress and all that.
So you are kind of like agarbage can or whatever instead
of love.
So it also comes with intention.
Wherever that you use it.
Well, what are you creating?
What is your intention with it?
That you use it?
Well, what are you creating?
What is your intention with it?
You know, it's more like livingwith intention, making love
with intention and being awareof the person that you get to be

(36:37):
with.
Because if somebody has allthis pent up emotions and
everything, anger, and then theypenetrate you, they leave that
within you.
For the men it's kind of likethey release that, but you get
to hold that.
This is the seeds that you'regoing to create, whatever that
you're going to create from.
So it's not just about somebodyis going to ejaculate in you

(36:59):
and then you're going to have achild.
There is your desires that youare holding in your womb, and
for men, it's in the ahara.
It's your womb, it's a creationspace.
When I say you can't give birthto what you don't conceive, so
when you are disconnected fromyour womb, from your body, you
can't feel it Because yourenergy is drained.

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Your energy is scattered in somany people.

Kertia (37:26):
Yeah.

Gao (37:27):
When do you have time to create?

Kertia (37:30):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
How do we begin?
You mentioned the spiritualcords that are still connected
with the previous partners.
Or, if you have a partnerthat's intimate whether they're
cheating or I don't know openrelationship, whatever the
situation is, and they haveother partners, how do we cut

(37:50):
the cords?

Gao (37:52):
I love that.
And here's the thing I wouldn'tsay cut the cords, because I
know that's what was beingthrown away in this virtual
community.
But first thing, you have toutilize whatever that you're
holding within you thatattracted you to that.
Because if you're just cuttingcords and there is a part of you
, first thing we attract who weare cutting cords and there is a

(38:13):
part of you first thing weattract.
We attract who we are right,that is, there is a part of us
that attracted that, because thewound always wants to heal.
So if you attract someone thatis you and then you cut, it's
kind of like you're also cuttinga part of you and this is also
what causes pain in a lot ofpeople.
I always say people are not hurtby love.
People are hurt by the denialof love when a relationship ends

(38:35):
or for somebody to get out of arelationship.
This is what people think.
It's kind of like childthinking or whatever.
Oh, I can't leave this personyet because I still love this
person, right.
So they're going to sit thereand kind of like, create this
monster.
You know, like watch everythingthat they're doing and create
this thing, to say this personis a monster or whatever, and
then from there, when nowthey've built this big monster,

(38:58):
it's kind of like now I have areason to leave this person
because this person is a monster, or the relationship ends and
you're gonna try to shut offyour heart by all means so that
you can, you can forget aboutthe person, and what you're
doing is you are shutting offthe part of you that fell in
love with that person, so youare losing an aspect of yourself
.
It doesn't matter whether youtake this person and put him in

(39:20):
a toilet or whatever cave,because you're just so flipping
tired with with him and all thatflash him.

Kertia (39:27):
You are flashing yourself, baby, you understand
I'm sure we've all felt that wayat one point in time absolutely
, absolutely, you know, but whatis happening here is that's the
you that you are dealing with.

Gao (39:43):
so, first thing, it's more like when I say neutralizing
what, what?
The part of you that areattracted to, that it's kind of
like you get to love and alsoface the shadows that you don't
love in the other person,because we fall in love with the
part of ourselves that we loveand you fall out of love with
our shadows, the part of us thatwe have not fully integrated

(40:04):
and loved.

Kertia (40:06):
Yeah, wow, yeah, yeah, that's profound, definitely.

(40:29):
Wow, yeah, yeah, that'sprofound, definitely.
Like you to take me through theprocess of neutralizing that
energy, because, of course, youdon't want to cut that part of
yourself away that was connectedand loving this person right,
because, as you said, it's liketaking a part of you.
So how do we, how do we learnto neutralize that energy

(40:52):
appropriately?

Gao (40:56):
When I say let me just give you everything, which is it's
everything and it's nothing Like, there's like the whole truth,
the truth of it is you get to bewith what is you know being.
This is what you callembodiment, instead of you
running to the mind and sayingI'm positive or I don't care
about a man or whatever.
If you are hurting, you arehurting.

(41:18):
And here's also the crazy thing.
People use people who were bornin those dysfunction, who saw
those dysfunction.
They confuse codependency, okay, with like, unconditional, with
unconditional love, like,though, because I used to that.
Then they'll say, oh, but Ilove this person, or I have

(41:40):
forgiven or whatever.
You know even loyalty, thething that sacrifice and and
suffering is being loyal.
You know so, yeah, so when Isay, be with yourself.
But you can't be with yourselfif your attention is more, even
people pleasing, and more in,how can I make him feel better

(42:02):
so that he can love me?
Because all this is coming fromthe wounded space.
You know so when you you can'tbe with yourself if you don't
know how to be with yourself, ifyou are not even your body,
because at times when you'regoing through different, whether
it's like as a child or you gothrough life and things happen
and then you leave your body,you disconnect from your body,
so you don't know how to be withyourself.
You don't know how to be in thebody because of whatever that

(42:25):
transpired, you may not even bein the body.
This is why, at times, peoplewill be like I did a lot of
healing but nothing is happening.
Heck yeah, because you are nothere and not many people.
Because here's the thing thing.
People will say like we are allhealers in the sense of we can
heal ourselves, but noteverybody's a healer.
Going to do and learn somethinghere doesn't mean that like

(42:45):
someone has that within them.
So when somebody, when I'mcoming in with a template of
saying this or look at this orwhatever, and I'm not present,
because, most honestly speaking,most people are not connected,
they are not in that body yeahhere and you try to help
somebody while you are notconnected, first thing, your

(43:06):
wound is gonna make meuncomfortable to sit with it, so
I'm gonna try to get away withit like, hey, just just forgive.
You know you're strong and allthat.
I'm not holding space.
Because you are not holdingspace for that, for that inner
child, because you never learnedhow and it's your wound, it's
kind of like you are in it, youknow.

(43:26):
So you need somebody who canhold space for, for this child,
and say this is what this childis feeling.
Because actually this is likewhat happens when someone has
worn the mask and they'recomfortable with this.
Brave, it's all, fine, I'm good.

Kertia (43:42):
I'm good I am forgiven.

Gao (43:45):
And then you say something I said I have forgiven, you
understand, but when you look atthe inner child, the inner
child is crying, the inner childis angry and all that, but they
are showing up with this,whatever.
So it needs somebody who candiscern is this person reading
the body or they're just liketrying to?
That's, that's what you are bya person that we talk about, or

(44:07):
even the, the, the mentalself-love, which is what is more
out there why?
Why is this?
Because that we we're runningwith information.
We know, know a lot, but we arenot it.
So we don't have the capacityto deal with life.
We have an illusion ofemotional resilience.
So for me to say, be with that.

(44:28):
While you are, everything justkind of like takes you out
because you don't know how to be.
And there is this whole falsething of of of being positive.
We run to being positivebecause the only way that being
positive can be, so like meaninga lot, is because we are
judging the other right, that isnegative, that is, and that

(44:49):
judgment is also what we havewithin ourselves.
When you get to anunderstanding that everything
just is, then you can hold spacefor all aspects of yourself,
because you can't heal what youdo not feel.
You can't.
You can't mentalize healing,you can't mind yourself, mindset
yourself out of healing.
You get to be with it, you getto see it absolutely, and it's

(45:16):
true what you say you.

Kertia (45:17):
There is so much information out there that we
have access to, and it's easy toread books and meditate and do
all the things and say, yeah,I'm healed or I'm healing.
But you truly have to embodythat.
You know, it's not like keepingit up here, like, yeah, I read
the book and the book said thisand this is what I, these are

(45:38):
the things that I'm doing, butyou truly have to embody that,
and a part of embodying it is toalso sit with everything that
comes out of that the emotions,the feelings, the, the
negativity, the heaviness.
You have to sit and deal withthat face, those parts of
yourselves that are hurt, thatare in pain, you know, that have

(46:02):
been fragmented, that has beendisconnected.
So, yeah, like that is that isso true.
You know, the embodiment of allof that is is that missing link
that I think we all strugglewith to some extent?
Right?
And it's to come back toyourself, get back into your

(46:28):
body and allow yourself to gothrough the entire process of it
, because I think, as you said,you can't positive think and
mindset your way out of things.
You know you can't be up here.
You have to be in your heart.
You have to be in your heart,you have to be in your body,
right, and a lot of peoplethey're still like in their head
about it.
Right, you can't mindset yourway through healing, right?
It has to, like, start fromhere, from your heart.

(46:49):
So, yeah, absolutely, yeah,definitely, definitely.
What is like maybe one of themost profound breakthroughs
you've had with your clients in,you know, ancestral healing or
any type of healing that you'vedone with them?

Gao (47:05):
It's quite interesting because, like many are popping
up at once.
I'm like, okay, which oneshould I talk about?
But there are many.
Honestly, it's quiteinteresting.
I'm just going to talk a littlebit about each of the three
that popped up.
The first one that is likecoming through is, uh, with this
other woman who she?
She had a very traumatic, um,childhood in the sense of she,

(47:27):
her mom, was sexually abusedwhen she was nine and she was
present when that happened.
So you can imagine what thatdoes to a nine-year-old.
And she also was sexuallyabused at 12 and when that
happened and she went to speakto her mother, her mother was
already gone.
In the sense of that trauma ledher to use drugs to get over

(47:49):
the pain that she didn't knowhow to, what to do with it.
So I came into one of my masterclasses and yeah, it was just a
master class, you know.
So it was sexual alchemy, whichwas like the best date.
In the beginning she said I'mvery uncomfortable, you know,
but I just led her and everyonethrough the process and

(48:12):
everything.
And afterwards she said, oh myGod, my inner child came through
and for the first time she wassmiling and uh, afterwards, like
of course she has to do a lotof pageant.
Like I said, this is likepsychic surgery.
So she had to like basicallydetox at a cellular level.
At times you can, you can puke,at times you can just have a

(48:33):
running stomach, releasing allthat because there was a lot of
shame, you know.
And uh, since that shifted,even she stopped being all over
with all the healers.
Like she said, I feel safe inmy body and like, just from that
, that must at last she was notlike somebody who enrolled in.
So that was mind-blowing for meand it was beautiful to see
somebody in her her mid-60s, youknow, finally knowing how it

(48:57):
feels like to be in her body,you know.
And she wrote what'smind-blowing is.
I even told her like in thesession.
I was like, oh, your innerchild is waiting for that poem,
to write a poem.
I can't remember exactly what Isaid, but I mentioned something
about a poem, oh God, and thepoem that she wrote, and she's
writing many poems and she'splanning on publishing her poem
book right now as we speak, justout of that.

(49:18):
So that was like mind blowing.
And another one is somebody whocame through.
She had the endometriosis andall that Like she was in deep
pain.
She was scheduled for surgeryand we worked together.
After the first session shewent to see her doctor and
everything has disappeared.

(49:38):
The surgery was canceled.
She didn't need that.
So that was mind-blowing aswell.
And the third one is also thatis popping through is this other
lady who she lost her job?
Like for seven years she wasnot working.
Whatever that transpired and westarted working together.
There was a lot that was goingon there as well Molestation,

(50:02):
what she witnessed with hermother and the father and the
father's whole arguments andabuse.
And somehow, because the fatherwas the breadwinner, there was a
part of her that was like thisis how men are, or men with
money.
So there was that relationshipwith money that was formed
because of the breadwinner beingher father and how he treated

(50:22):
everybody else and this causedall this.
As much as she can go back andblame the people at work because
it's not always what we thinkis you know she was holding into
the people at work.
They did this, but when weworked together that was not the
case.
And 12 weeks after we completedshe got her consultancy job.
She was called at what she wasdoing earlier, but now not as an

(50:46):
employee but as a consultant,and she was paid 90K.
So that was like, come on, we'vebeen working for seven years
and I thought this was like awaste, you know, and all of a
sudden, here I am, I'm a boss,like really, this is what is
happening.
So there's a lot of things thathappen.
Honestly, I've lost count, youknow, and of recent I mean a lot

(51:12):
of people awaken to their gifts.
You know they connect deeplywith their spirituality and they
to their gifts.
You know they connect deeplywith that spiritual, with that
spirituality, and they awakentheir gifts.
Lately I had someone who justcame through because of the
whole toxic relationship thathappened and from that first
session, like she's a healer, ofcourse, and but she didn't know
, like the gift that she had,you know.

(51:34):
So it was mind-blowing, likeI'm like, oh my God, your soul
is ready, it's hitting theground, running, like she's a
flipping gifted healer.
So a lot of them, actually alot of people who find
themselves in these toxicsituations, they're truly gifted
but they're using it more, likein broken people, because they
don't want to look at their ownand their own woundedness and

(51:58):
heal that.
You know, we are all woundedhealers but if at all you are
not willing to look at yourwounds, you're gonna go around
trying to force your way intopeople who are who do not want
to heal their wounds you know,yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kertia (52:13):
I find that, um, a lot of people who are born healers,
they tend to and I wouldn't sayall, but I've encountered a lot
who they tend to go through aperiod of chaos, you know,
experiencing a lot of chaos intheir lives, in relationships,

(52:36):
in their finances, their careers, whatever it may be, however it
might show up, and, yeah, it'sreally fascinating.
It's really really fascinatingand I realized that, coming out
of that, that is how a lot ofhealers actually come into their

(52:57):
gifts and come into learninghow to use their gifts.
So I find that to be reallyfascinating.

Gao (53:04):
It's part of the initiation , it's part of the agreement and
when you look at it, it's quitemind-blowing, because I've been
in this journey with like itstarted where I was separated
from my children and all of that.
I've been in this journey withlike like it started where I was
separated from my children andall of that.
And then it happened again.
My ex-husband did the samething that my boyfriend did and
I was like this is crazy.

(53:27):
Like at first I was like God,you fucking kidding me, you know
.
But on the other hand, I wasaware that there is something
that is happening when I sayit's not always what we think it
is and it's a big initiationand the core of it is because I
have had people who came throughin past lives, ancestral who

(53:51):
had, who were separated withtheir children, and they wanted
me to help them.
You know it's kind of like theyhad this anger towards me
because there's a lot of thingsthat our ancestors did and you
know it's kind of like it'smessy and all that.
So it's kind of like it's morelike it's a gift but at the same
time it may show up as a curse.
There are curses, but in thosecurses there's also a gift in it

(54:15):
, you know.
So it's mind blowing, even forme when I look at my journey,
repetitive of events, you know,and making it about myself,
making it about other people.
But when I get out of it andlike, ok, fine, and this is also
one of the things, if at all,because when I look at it, even
growing up, there are manypeople who are seersics, you

(54:36):
know, in churches and all that.
But what I realize is, mostpeople will they have a gift,
but they'll start trying to helppeople from their wounded lens.
Yes, and if your consciousness,if you are wounded, your
consciousness is kind of like,here you're just gonna look at
the physical as, like thislifetime.

(54:57):
Yet we are multi-dimensionalbeings.
So for you to have a largerscope of what is happening, to
go to the core, you can't justbe here in this lifetime, you
can't just focus on the human,you know, because we are
multi-dimensional means you getto get out of here to see what
happened in this lifetime andbeyond, what happened in your

(55:18):
ancestral lineage and beyond.
Otherwise it's more like takingout a branch, taking out a leaf
and you think you are solvinganything.
It's gonna come back, comeagain until you go to the root,
you understand.
So it's part of that.
Part of it is like some things,because for you to have, even
for you to embody the light, youhave played in the dark for a

(55:38):
while.
You know to embody the lightand to be called to go and
illuminate and shine.
Shine the light in the in thedarkness.
It's the point where you arenot coming through, being scared
by what you see.
You have mastered how to walkin that darkness because you
have been one of the players orparticipant in in other

(55:59):
lifetimes.
So people do not embody that.
They don't want.
They want to just say, oh, I'mthis light being or whatever,
and and all that because at theend of the COVID yin and yang
and everything.
That's the balance you know,yeah, so people wants to choose
this and leave the other oneoutside, which is like that
separation consciousness, thatthe reason why I'm not in

(56:20):
agreement with religions isbecause there is a lot of
separation, there's a lot ofjudgment.
You know them and us and allthat and the truth of it.
Even when I go to the wounds ofancestral wounds, there is a
lot of separation, whether it'ssocietal, whatever you know.
So we need to go there and healthese things and bring that

(56:40):
oneness and illuminate whateverthat all those shadows are,
because the shadows, people areashamed and afraid of the
shadows, but they're just assimple as as not wanting to look
at something that makes youuncomfortable, not wanting to
feel certain emotions, you know,or even not wanting to admit,
to admit and look at the thingsthat your family, that happened
in your childhood, becausepeople have this illusion that

(57:03):
it's about shaming your parents,but it's not.
I have a strong belief that ourparents, their parents,
everybody who came before us,they did the best that they
could.
They ran that race, otherwisewe wouldn't be where we are, you
know.
Now the question is are wewilling to take that button and
run to the finish line, or arewe going to drop here so that we

(57:23):
can start from the beginning.
When we shy away from this,when we hide, what we're doing
is we are turning our back onthe bright future that is ahead
of us.
We are turning our back on ourchildren, because it's not about
just being a parent.
We are also the guardian, thespiritual protector of our
children, and if you are stillstuck in there, being afraid of

(57:44):
darkness, it's the darkness thatis sleeping with your child.
It's the darkness that issurrounding your child at all
times.
Parenthood is bigger than justthe physical being or providing
material stuff.

Kertia (57:56):
Absolutely.
It's such um.
Parenting and parenthood issuch a spiritual endeavor, you
know, and a lot of us focus onproviding and providing comfort,
which is equally important, but, um, yeah it is I don't know
what that was.
I am so sorry maybe it's just.

Gao (58:18):
I mean, I'm used to all these tech issues and all that
and, on the other hand, don'tforget, we're talking about
energetic stuff and all that.

Kertia (58:26):
So it's always yeah, it just started out of nowhere and
I'm just like but everything isperfect, what's happening?

Gao (58:34):
yeah, you can't make up.
You can't make this shit up.

Kertia (58:38):
So it's what a boost okay, but I still have to do my
due diligence and make sure thateverything is okay on my end.
You know, I don't want to justthrow the blame, you know?
Yeah, all right um okay, I justwanted to ask you, what is

(58:59):
African ancient quantum medicineand, like you could just wrap
that up with telling us where wecan find you, how we can
contact you for the work thatyou do.

Gao (59:12):
Frequent Asian Quantum Medicine is how my ancestors
really used to heal Like that'sthe medicine.
There, you know, people willsay, like when I look at like
healers or whatever, they'lljust be like oh, you don't heal
like the way it was done in thepast, where it's kind of like
first thing, whether it's likehealing through your body or

(59:35):
transmuting that and for me,like like that's what happens.
Like I said, when I work withsomebody it's kind of like I
step into that auric field so Iembody them in a way.
You know, I get to knoweverything that is happening and
you know when you feel thechanges and everything in the
body.
I'll just give an example withwhat was happening when we had a

(59:58):
problem with the tech issues.
So we're just like sittingthere and then from there you
start working on that.
From there I felt the rise toyour power center.
You know which.
Every time everyone I believeit happens with everyone that
when something is happening it'skind of like challenges your
power.
You understand.
So it's more like I get toobserve everything that is

(01:00:18):
happening, when the heart thatbeats in so fast and everything.
So it's kind of like I'm you inthat moment when I'm doing this
work and, uh, the way I also dothe healing, it's kind of like
I take that and just I transmuteit through me, you know.
So when I say this is what ishappening here, it's basically
an ancient way of healing.
It's not like the way it's donenow.

(01:00:40):
You know it's like ancient.
So some people will be like, no, we don't do the healing the
way it was done.
For me, that's the gift that Ihave and this is why, even when
I like I said, when people likesocial media, sometimes people
will jump on or slide on the DMand be like whatever they want
to sell or whatever I'm like.
For me, when you get into my DM, it's kind of like you opened
my door, like you came to myroom and when things are coming

(01:01:04):
up, I'm going to have to talkabout it because otherwise I'm
going to be left holding yourstuff.
So, like that's the work that Ido.
And here's the thing, even likeit's quite interesting, because
I remember I was talking to thisother guy the other time.
I don't know what he wanted,but we're just chatting, so all
of a sudden I'm asking him tellme what is happening.

(01:01:25):
What is that thing on your butt?
Why is there pain on your butt?
And he's like, oh my God, Ihaven't even told my wife.
I've been like he said likesomething with the shooting
happened what?
And he was shot there.
Like this is like we are weird.
So it's like it's like thatcrazy.
And there is this other friendof mine that I have as well.

(01:01:46):
The other time I was talking toher and I'm like I don't
understand what is happening.
What is that thing?
That is like kind of like it'scoming through your vagina.
It's like stop it, I'm on myperiod.

Kertia (01:02:00):
I and it's like how stupid I'm on my period like I
don't know.

Gao (01:02:02):
I just no way.
So it's like it's, it's thatinsane crazy, you know way, yeah
.
So, yeah, nothing, that'snothing.
Nothing is left is leftunturned, like this, really, you
know.
So that's just the magic that Ido when it comes to the body,
as much as I'm big onrelationship, but, on the other

(01:02:24):
hand, the side effects of mywork is not only your
relationship will be fine, butyour body will thank you for it,
because whatever that ishappening, whether it's mental,
emotional or physical level, Iwork on that.
I don't want to really own upthe whole health stuff and
everything, but it's also kindof like it's my jam really.
But on the other hand, as muchas I can go to the health, our

(01:02:46):
health won't be affected, if atall.
We're dealing with ourrelationships, starting with the
relationship that we have withourselves, right.
So it's kind of like people aremore big on relationship.
I want love, but you can't havelove, if at all.
The love that you know that youcrave is the dysfunction that
you were born in.
You know, and, if at all, yourparents accepted and tolerated
that and lived in that.
That's what you're going totolerate.

(01:03:11):
And what's funny is that, likeone lady that I was working with
.
She she was.
She loved her mother.
She wanted to protect her byall means.
So her mother passed and latershe started realizing that she's
developing the same symptomsthat her mother had.
You know, it's kind of like shetook some of these things
because you want to help yourmother.
So now she's left with allthese symptoms, soul and fears
and everything, and it was nothers.

(01:03:32):
So you can go to the doctor allyou want.
You're not going to getanything, you know.
Know, because it's not yourenergy and even if you're
holding into distance, you can'ttransmute what is not yours.
So the african ancient quantummedicine is like deep, because
it's it's ancient, but at thesame time it's kind of like from
the future, you know.
So, um, I do it like my, myancestors did it, but on a on a

(01:03:53):
deeper, better level, because,um, when it comes to the
divination, the way they used todo, whether it's throwing bones
and giving people some plantsand all that, for me, the way I
was given this, everything iswithin me.
This is why I say I can takeyour thing and transmute it,
because whatever plant that isneeded to heal that, everything

(01:04:16):
is within me.
So, whatever that I need toknow, I don't have to throw
bones.
I get to know becauseeverything is within me.
So I'm literally the embodimentof that Everything is.
This is why, even when we'respeaking if at all you are
present enough.
All that I'm speaking of, oreven there is a frequency that
is coming through even theaudience those who are sensitive

(01:04:37):
to energy'll feel.
They'll feel that you know.
So that's um, that's the magicand um.
Yeah, I'm gonna share a linkwith you, um, so that people can
, those who are interested toknow what is happening, they can
book a call.
But, on the other hand, if youthis is not for someone who is
not committed to that thing youbook a call, if at all.
You want to know more how youcan release that, because I

(01:05:01):
don't want to.
Like I said, getting intopeople's auric fields is very
dangerous in the sense of somepeople are holding dark energies
spiritual wife, husband,whatever.
There's just a lot of shit goingon, to be honest.
So I don't want to get thereand then hold on to people's
shit that do not want to doanything with them.
I've started offering I don'tdo once-off sessions, but I put
a link on my website as well foronce-off sessions for people

(01:05:23):
who maybe they just want to do asession and just dive in and
see where that is going to leadthem.
That is for those people and ifsomeone is interested say okay,
fine, I think the problem thatI had may need something
long-term, then book a call.
If you think like, okay, fine,I just want to test the waters,
just go into my website and bookthat session.

Kertia (01:05:42):
I love this conversation .
Thank you so much, guys, it wasa pleasure connecting with you.
As usual.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
This was such a funconversation.
I appreciate Khao so much much.
If you want to find out moreabout what she does and how she
does it, all her information iswithin the show notes of this

(01:06:07):
episode and, as usual, reach outand text us and tell us what
you think about this episode.
I am so excited to hear whatyou guys thought, how you guys
feel about it.
You can find that link to Texasright above our show notes.
Can't wait to hear from youguys.
Thank you.

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