What If Your Biggest Struggle Is Your Greatest Teacher? | with Jennifer Poland & Darryl Gurney - The Other Side of Fear

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Kertia (00:00):
It's officially the end of summer break and I hope it
went well for all of you.
For me, I'd say that I made asbest use of it as I possibly
could Lots of growth, lots oflessons, lots of experiences.
But at the beginning of summer,I had a conversation with

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Jennifer Poland and her husband,daryl Gurney.
Jennifer has psychic abilitiesand often delivers channeled
messages from spiritual beings,while Daryl is a therapist who
helps with subconsciousreprogramming using a
heart-centered approach.
Now they've both combined theirskills together into this

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beautiful practice to helppeople with healing and shifting
the patterns.
That often holds us back.
As a part of their work, theyalso speak about and include
going as far back back, lookingat ancestral karmic stuff and

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past life issues that may bepossibly influencing your
present situation.
Now, if you've listened to thisseason of the podcast up until
this point, a few episodes backI had a personal reading with my
previous guest, bree, whohelped me to understand a
concern about my finances bylinking it back to issues with

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stability and uncertainty in oneof my past lives, which was
very intriguing and eye-opening,to say the least.
But right now I'm reallyinterested to know your thoughts
on this.
Have you ever questioned whoyou were in a past life, what

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that life was possibly like foryou and the things you may have
brought over from the past lifeinto this present life.
May have brought over from thepast life into this present life
, like, for example, maybe aspecial skill or having a high
affinity towards something, oror possibly even an issue you've
been dealing with repeatedly,but you feel like you can't seem

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to crack the code to figure itout, and you might be feeling
like here we go again.
Why am I still having such ahard time with this?
Why am I still dealing with thesame crap over and over,
regardless of what I do?
I'd be the first to raise myhand on that part, but I'd say

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this I do hope that you takesomething from this episode.
My hope is that, even if youdon't quite connect with some of
the things we discuss here,that it at least prompts you to
look deeper into your ownexperiences or start asking
yourself different questions,because oftentimes there is way

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more going on beneath thesurface than what we are usually
able or ready to perceive.
All right, let's get into it.
Okay, so I'd love for you totell me how did you guys get

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into spiritual being, spiritualmessengers.
You know, I kind of have alittle background on what you
both do, but I think it's prettycool that you guys have found a
way to integrate what you guysare doing.

Darryl (03:53):
Yeah Well, I mean spiritual messengers.
It started a long time ago.
I mean, I started out as amassage therapist a long time
ago and then I started moving tomind body therapy because I
realized massaging was onlytemporary and people would get,
you know, in pain again.
So I started to recognize thatthe mind and the body are two

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just expressions of the samething, and whatever is going on
in a person's psychology ismirrored in their physical body.
So so that sent me on a longjourney of study and experience
to learn the connection betweenthe two.
And so I learned manymodalities and so on.
And then, after a period oftime, maybe 20 years ago, I

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started teaching what I hadlearned and used with my clients
because it was very effective.
Ago started teaching what I hadlearned and used with my
clients because it was veryeffective.
And in that teaching journey Imet Jen, who came to one of my
workshops and she had her ownhealing modalities and was very
psychic.
And then, after a number ofyears, we were colleagues, but

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then we became partners, andthen we combined our practice
and and I'm going to let Jenspeak to it a little bit, but
but basically we followed thedictates of spirit and they
wanted us to work together inclients.
So we see them on zoom, sort oflike this and between my healing

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I mean she has healing tools aswell, but between my healing
tools and her psychic abilities,we were able to reach deep into
people's psyches and and reallyhelp them, because we were able
to figure out what the cause oftheir problems were.
Between the two of us, and andand then.
So there was that, but thenthere was also our own inner
work that we had done a lot of,and in doing our inner work and

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working with our clients, welearned a tremendous amount of
things that you can't even readin books or learn out there in
the metaphysical field.
And then Spirit said okay, nowwe want you to take what you've
learned and put it out there.
And so Jen channeled the bookand we're doing courses and
workshops that are offering whatwe have learned and gleaned

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from our years of practice withclients.

Kertia (06:08):
Amazing.
That sounds amazing.
And, jennifer, how did you getinto this?
Were you always connected toyour abilities or was that
something that kind ofmanifested for you over time?

Jennifer (06:19):
Good question.
I think for me it was alwaysthere and that's what made life
challenging, like as a youngchild.
And because I actually had, youknow, luminaries appear to me,
and so for me, being aroundpeople was challenging because I
was so sensitive.
I would feel their emotions andI mean that's an ongoing.

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It's kind of workplace issuefor me, workplace hazard.
It's kind of workplace issuefor me, but it's workplace
hazard because when peoplearen't right dealing with their
stuff, it's like it's veryapparent to me.
It's so easy.
I can see everything you knowand I'm I, and I mean that like
I can see so deep.
And so I think what kind ofmakes us unique is I had all

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these skills, but I think themasculine, what it has to do is
it has to hold the feminine.
And so my skills were good, butduring a period of time they
became an issue as a teenagerand so I kind of shut them down
and they became maybe a littlebit sideways.
They weren't being channeled inthe right way.
But when I was a mother of two,around the age of 28, I had a

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divine spiritual awakeningbecause my own shadow was really
more paramount in my life and Iwas actually looking at a
couple of your other chats thatyou've had or your other
podcasts, and you guys weretalking a lot about shadow and I
was like, oh good, okay, we'regoing to speak the same language
.
But my shadow, when I was 28,which was a long time ago I'm 50
now was kind of front andcenter, and I had this massive

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spiritual awakening where Irealized that I had pushed my
feminine away.
And in pushing my feminine awaybecause I had a lot of abuse in
my past, the feminine wasvulnerable, it wasn't celebrated
.
So a long time ago I realizedthat, oh, this is what's my
problem.
I haven't bonded properly withmy own son, right One in

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particular.
And so I had this call toaction from the divine.
It was actually the voice ofthe great spirits who spoke to
me and told me exactly what todo.
So, in my humility, I pickedmyself up and said, okay, I know
my way back, but it didn't meanit was going to be easy.
You know I was working a lot, Ithink, on collective you know,

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pain bodies, collectiveconsciousness for other women.
So, anyway, so that began myjourney when I was 28, and I
started channeling right away.
I was recording what I washearing and really and I know
channeling is it's a word thatI'm careful with because it
sounds daunting, it can soundhas a lot of negative feelings
around it.
But what I would say is peopleaccept poets and musicians who

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bring down the song.
Oh, I just brought it down.
That's essentially how it isfor me, is I?
But I'm doing it all the time,so it's not just a one, one
moment.
I'm always in that experienceand so.
But at that point in my life Ihad children.
So I was, you know, going intothat experience for periods of
time and then I'd be motheringand anyway.
But my children became mygreatest teachers.

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And I say to people on thespiritual path you don't have to
go to the Himalayas, you don'thave to take some pilgrimage to
discover your divinity, it's athome, it's in your day-to took
its own path and at a point inour lives I separated and then I

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found my way to Daryl and so webecame and I knew I had
prophetic dreams and because Ihave a lot of prophecies that
come through and I knew our pathand what we had to do.
The problem that I have issometimes I see way too far
ahead and I have to take all thesteps necessary to get there.
So it can be somewhat comicalfor us because I said well, this

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is what's going to happen, andso Daryl's not there yet, but
then we arrived there.
So, anyway, and the other thingI would add that's unique about
us is so we had our practicesindependently and they were good
.
They were good practices.
Spirit said, okay, do you wantto go to the Olympics of
spiritual practice?
Do you want to go all the way?
And so we had to make a choice,and it was our choice.

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And so we said, yes, we want todo everything.
And so they removed us intonature, deep into nature, kind
of off the grid.
And this is where the hours,and like thousands and thousands
of hours of dedicated to umchanneling and doing our own
inner transformation Cause if we, we are the model, we are the

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avatar that can bring throughthat information, and so if we
don't understand it ourselves,then we can.
We can't actually bring it down, we have no concept for it,
right?
So they have diligently put usthrough the paces in terms of
rigorous challenges and our ownpersonal karmic lessons in order
to understand the collectivework that we can bring.

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And so now we're back out.
We've done our deepintrospective years.
I think it took us about threeyears to do all of that.
So we were kind of off the grid, if you want to call it in lots
of ways, and now it's like okay, step back out, and here we are
.

Kertia (11:32):
That's fantastic, that's a journey, oh my gosh.
And so, daryl, when you werefirst speaking, you mentioned
inner work and Jennifer, youjust kind of like touched on
that as well, and of course,when it comes to healing work,
you know when you're healingothers, a huge part of that is
also working with yourself,healing yourself and like really

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getting into those inner partsof yourself.
Um, so I'd love to know, like,what were your healing journeys
like?

Darryl (12:03):
Wow.
Well, I mean, my big sacredwound was being I was adopted as
a child and so adopted peopletypically have abandonment
issues.
And then you reach into yoursubconscious because your mother
gives you away and then went toa foster family and then that
mother gives you away and then Igo to another foster family,

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know, or another.
Yeah, I went basically twofoster families and then finally
into the family I grew up with,and so there's nothing stable
and and you develop all kinds ofbeliefs like if somebody's
giving me away, I must be nogood and and.
But that's in your subconscious.
It's not like I grew upthinking that consciously, but I

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think it's not like I grew upthinking that consciously.
But I think it's useful to talkabout a little bit about the
subconscious mind, to understandthat it's very much like a
computer and its basic job is tokeep us safe and keep us alive
and so on and it so in doing soit makes interpretations of the
events that happen to us.
So you know it's like oh well,you have to stay safe and alive,

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but nobody wants you, so youhave to protect yourself.
And then you develop strategies, and for me to protect myself
is like, well, I thought, ifpeople don't love me, then
they're going to get rid of meand they'll abandon me.
So I became a people pleaser,essentially, and I would jump if
anybody wanted me to doanything and and, and I gave my
power away and didn't take careof my own needs in that in that

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way.
And so then it would end up forme as being I suddenly would
get really angry because all ofmy emotions that I kept down
would just go, and so I.
That was the journey.
It was I have to.
But it's the belief system, isjust a program in your computer
of your subconscious mind.
So you and you can change thoseprograms, but you can't just do

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it with affirmations or a veryweak solution for doing that.
You have to engage thesubconscious in the way the
subconscious works.
So using affirmations is liketrying to put a square peg in a
round hole.
You have to right, so you haveto learn the machine, if you
will, how the subconscious works, and so once I did that and

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started working on that, then Iwas able to start to get
separation from my people.
Pleaser know that I do belongand there's nothing wrong with
me, and so on.
So that's a journey.
Journey, though in theproverbial onion that you peel
layers of the onion off is avery good one as well often used
as it is, but it's kind of verytrue.
You have to keep doing yourinner work.

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But there's there's a lot offruits on that, because when we
don't do the inner work, thatrepressed emotion or those
limiting beliefs or whateverthat's in your psyche or the
shadows, they will come back tohaunt you.
And this is mythology.
When you cut off the hydra'shead or the dragon's head, it
grows two.
When you cut off the two headsit grows four, it comes back to

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bite you and oftentimes that'sillness, disease or behavioral
issues, relationship problems.
It's going to show up in yourlife in some way and so when you
do your inner work those thingschange and so it's like an
ounce of prevention.
Our world in our kind ofmedical model not to diss it but
it's very much based on thingsjust happen willy-nilly, we have

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no relationship to it, and thenwe wait for it, and then we
hope, cross our fingers thatthere's a pill I can take
that'll make it go away, and soon.
But that's not how it works.
The universe is way toointelligent for that.
There's a whole system ofhealing called
psychoneuroimmunology where theydo psychological profiles on
people that get certainillnesses and they find

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correlations.
Long repressed resentment getsinto the joints and causes
arthritis and hurt.
Deep hurt can end up in heartdisease, and repressed anger
often ends up as cancer and soon.
So we can see thesecorrelations and so on.
So once we can work at thelevel of cause, then it's

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reasonable to think we can getresolution.
But if we address those issuesbefore the lump forms or the
heart attack happens, right,it's, an ounce of prevention is
worth a pound of cure but wewait till our body is screaming
at us, trying to get us amessage, and then we then have
to circle the wagons and getknives out or radiation out and
do these really invasive thingsto try to deal with it.

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But we have to takeresponsibility things to try to
deal with it.
But we have to takeresponsibility for our lives and
our health and our bodies.
But when you takeresponsibility, you have the
ability to respond.
Then you're back in the seat ofyour own power and that's what
we all need to do.
But we were never taught this,we were never given the tools
and we weren't given therelationship and the
correlations.
It's not as profitable, I guess, but this is one of the things

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that we have to do.
We have to take charge of ourown lives.
Yeah.

Kertia (16:48):
Yeah, yeah, that was perfectly said.
Yeah, there is just.
You're so right on the wallwith that.
That is so true, jennifer.
I'd love to hear more aboutwhat your healing journey was
like.
What was that like for you?
Because you know, like youdescribing having to suppress
your abilities at some point Iknow it's a lot when you're
going through those years as ateenager and the hormones and

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trying to understand yourselfand make sense of life and what
you're supposed to do and allthe things.
There's just so much happeningthere, um alone, in just that
phase of life, becoming becominga mom, just so many
transitional phases, right.
So I'd love to know how thatkind of played out for you in
kind of, you know, getting towhat it is that you needed to

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connect to within yourself,whatever aspects of you needed
healing, and then integratingthat so that you could, I guess,
like come into your abilitiesin a more wholesome way.

Jennifer (17:51):
Great question.
So I'm going to give you apretty detailed answer because I
think it's really importantwhat you're asking and if this
is when I went through this,this is for other women Like I
feel like you know, when I wentthrough this.
This is for other women Like Ifeel, like you know, what we do

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together is really just helpingchange the collective.
And so for me, I stepped intothe world and I think from the
beginning and we hear this inour clients' voices as well and
a lot of women is, they don'tfeel enough as being a woman,
and so the value of being awoman has been very low compared
to the masculine.
Everything masculine has beencelebrated and we see that
everywhere.
You know where it's athleticsor you know who's at the top

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leadership, it doesn't matter.
But it doesn't mean that I wantto go to the top and be the CEO
and cut my hair off and get mybriefcase.
That's not what I think.
I think we've been misguidedthat way that that's the way
that I'll be recognized.
It's celebrating what we aswomen are here to offer the
nurturing, the creativity, theinspiration in terms of our

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intuition, and the home andhearth, that type of energies.
But I stepped into.
I was the first born on a farm,so I was raised more in my
masculine side.
I was raised more in mymasculine side and I have all of
these capacities and abilitiesof an independence and like I
can do anything, and so Iexercised all of that as a woman
very strongly for a long, longtime and that's what my parents

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needed from me, and so that wasreaffirmed, and reaffirmed, and
reaffirmed.
And then I'm like, oh, and thenI was at the top not at the top
of my career, but I had a verysuccessful career.
I was working for the NHL, so Iwas in television, I had
climbed, so I was in a reallygreat corporate role.
And then I have this child andI'm looking at it and I'm
thinking, oh, I just have to dothese things to make myself

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successful.
But, I couldn't soothe them asmuch as I came to do, and so the
awakening into the feminine hasbeen my sacred wound and what
I'm here to offer.
And so, as I had that awakeningthat I talked about earlier, it
really focused my path, becausewhen I was younger, I had these

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abilities to do things likeliterally move objects or
connect to an entity or seethings, and and I had no I'm
thinking other people can do Ididn't have an understanding of
it at all, and so when I had myawakening, I could really say,
oh there, there's somethingreally important about this,

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these gifts, and so I would hideout in the occult section or I
don't know that, that section inIndigo, yeah, because in those
days it was very frowned upon,right?
It was kind of shame shame alittle bit, and so I would look
at other things that were outthere, but always really went
back to my own experience.
I became my own teacher.
So, yes, I took Reiki and yes,I took those modalities, but I

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took them further.
And so I went into thosemodalities but I expanded them
in so many ways because spiritwas my teacher.
They would be telling me whatto do, how to navigate the
healing issue, and so I had aprophecy, actually right as
Daryl and I were coming together, that I was going to have

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cancer.
So and and I did not want tohear that because we were just
starting out and moving intogether and so I
compartmentalized that prophecyand during our time I had some
fibroids that you know werethere, and so I had physical
bleeding and I had a littleprocedure that was to rectify

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that.
So I thought, oh, maybe that'swhat it is, but it wasn't.
So about three months before wewere going to get married, I
had more symptoms and I knewthat it was probably that.
So then, a week after we weremarried, I returned to find out
that I had uterine cancer andspirit said okay, you're.
And they came to me the nightbefore they said it's going to

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be cancer.
And I I had, you know, figuredso, and so I had my uterus
removed, I had a fullhysterectomy.
And so in our practice we arenot, you know, alternative only,
we're very much an integrativeapproach in terms of spirit
knows best.
So for me, because of thedenial of the feminine it had
manifested in such that myhormones created this situation

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where I rejected so much of myfeminine that I lost my uterus.
And that was that was.
You know, it's a hard thing tocome to right, but I trusted
them.
They said you're going to beokay, you're going to take
hormones.
I take bioidentical hormones soI recreate in my body and I'm
very, very healthy now.
So two months into my recoverythey came back.

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Spirit said to me it willreturn if you don't learn all of
the lessons from thisexperience.
And so I, as, as we were kindof alluding to before, we learn
as much as we're willing to faceright.
And so I was working away andworking away and say yep, but if
there's any subconsciousrepression it'll show up.
So the night before my six-monthcheckup to the date, spirit

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said it's returned, the cancer'sreturned, and I was felt a
little bit surprised and kind ofbewildered because I thought I
would do anything, but anyway.
So we go into the appointmentand my gynecologist said oh,
there's a lump here and he couldeven palpitate it.
I have to send you for a CATscan immediately.
And so in that five daysbecause they lost my paperwork,

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synchronistically we dug in andwe did everything in our, we
took everything in our arsenaland we said okay, spirit, what
lessons are still there for meto learn in terms of the value
of the feminine, the repressionof the feminine, the anger of
all of that trauma going through, whether this lifetime, other
lifetimes, are collective, and alot of it was collective work
that we were healing.

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And so the night before the CTscan that would have confirmed
it, spirit came through and theysaid okay, daryl, we want you
to use your crystal.
He uses the Vogel crystal fromtime to time to heal and we're
going to heal her through thatcrystal.
And he worked on me for I don'tknow, 15, 20 minutes, and the
next day we went for the CATscan and three or four days
later the results were clear.

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And the last part of the funpart of the story was I mean, we
knew it would be, but it'salways fun to hear those words
oh, there's nothing there.
Two weeks later, my gynecologistcalled me on a Saturday and he
said I just can't be with theseresults.
I want to do further testing.
Would you be open to it?
And we said, of course you know.
So he just said there's.

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I don't understand why it's notthere, cause I know it's there
and so, and we had a second testconfirming that it was clear.
So spirit led me down that pathand in my journey of from the
age of 28 to now I'm 50, I haveI had to understand the
repression of the feminine, thehealing of the feminine, the
true value of the feminine.

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Instead of chasing it in thisway, like I need to be strong as
Daryl, or I need to do thislike Daryl to prove who I am
versus I'm going to step backinto my true, true innocent self
and reclaim my innocence.
I'm not sinful, not, you know,responsible for anything like in
the eve story of eve.
We had to really reclaim andrestore the innocence of the

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feminine.
And so that we can be, when welook at this, you know the witch
burning times or these type ofthings in history, where, where
women have been shamed andblamed.
We had to go in and really freeup that energy and really
return the innocence, and that'swhat our workshop's about now.

Kertia (25:24):
Amazing.
That's a beautiful, beautifulstory.
Oh my gosh, I'm so happy aboutthat.
Like you telling me that, itreally makes me so happy.
You know, like the wholehealing that is amazing.
Oh my goshness, I can onlyimagine what your gynecologist
was thinking.

Jennifer (25:44):
Yeah, mind blown.
Yeah, he had no box for that,oh man.

Kertia (25:51):
Oh, I can only imagine.
Thank you so much for sharingthat with me.
The both of you you know,touching on the divine,
masculine and feminine.
I'd love for you guys to talkabout that some more.
What are the aspects of thedivine, masculine, feminine, and
why is it so important,especially when we come in union
with each other?

Darryl (26:12):
yeah, I'm, I think it's.
We have the archetypes that arein our culture that show us
kind of what the.
You know, if I'll speak aboutthe masculine maybe, maybe, like
Jen, I'll speak about thefeminine.
But this is what the masculineis, you know it's.
It's Arnold Schwarzenegger,it's Sylvester Stallone, you
know, or or whatever it is like.
And we have all this idea ofwho's wearing the pants and

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who's making the decisions, thepolitical, the patriarchal kind
of idea that that that's whatthat is.
But the divine masculine, thequalities, are really much more
about responsibility, takingresponsibility in life and for
the family and anything in yourlife, for that I mean there's

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definitely if it's about thefamily and you're in that role
of protection and providing andbeing responsible, and then
taking charge and assertivenessand being stepping up in in life
and meeting the challenges.
And so those are, you know,kind of the, some of the
qualities of the divinemasculine.

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But I think it's also comingfrom a place, if it's divine
masculine, and then it has a lotto do with integrity, right,
being true to your word, um,showing up and and so on.
So these are some of thequalities that we're looking at
and I mean the.
The masculine is is more linear, it's more logical, it's more
rational.

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It has those qualities.
I mean, science is very much amasculine pursuit in a sense of
that way.
It breaks things down intoparts.
The feminine is more holistic,it sees the whole and instead of
knowledge it's more alignedwith wisdom.
So we're looking basically atthese pairs Now, these pair of
opposites, not that one isbetter than the other.

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They have to be balanced witheach other, and so on.
When they're not balanced, thenone will typically become
distorted, and when it becomesdistorted it turns sour, and
that's when you get into thesepower struggles and so on.
But you want to come into aplace of mutual empowerment, and
so the divine feminine, itneeds to come up in equal

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measure, and so I'll give itover to you and then maybe you
can talk a little bit about that.

Jennifer (28:27):
Yeah, I mean, there's so many things that I think
Spirit would love to offer, justas they're yakking away at me,
but I think one of the things isin sacred sexuality.
So you know, I know that thatwants to be brought up in that.
So what we're taking ourclients into is their individual
journey of the balance withinthemselves.
So the masculine, the pursuit,the integrity, the

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responsibility, the dealing withtheir karma, facing their
karmic lessons, right, reallyembracing that, their journey.
And then the feminine, which isallowing source and spirit to
really move through them.
Why are they here?
What wants to be birthed ineach individual, male or female?
And so the balance is going tobe, you know, in gender for sure

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you're going to have more.
If I'm feminine or female, I'mgoing to have more of my
feminine.
I'm here to have thatexperience.
I'm here to birth those andhave the journey of being that
female and embodying them.
And then what we want, whatwe're doing, is we're taking now
our clients to how do you bringthat into partnership and the
mirrors and opportunities inrelationship, whether it's in a

(29:32):
partnership like this way or in,like, you know, my sister, my
brother, my mother, my child.
And so we want to start to lookat all the mirrors in our lives
and I know you were touching onthat in another episode, and so
really, but now how does thatstep into our sacred sexuality?
Because what's really happeningright now is very important.
There's a prophecy that wereleased I think it was, I don't

(29:54):
know, maybe a month ago whereif the feminine is not really
balanced, within 47 years wehave a female leader that's
going to be stepping in andshe's going to be harnessing too
much masculine.
And if she is voted in andholds that say, it's the
president, some president.
But if she holds, and we areall seeing the feminine as

(30:16):
that's what the feminine powerneeds, 300 years into our future
, we start to open a trajectorywhere the feminine has, there's
so much more masculine in ourbodies that the masculine only
men only smell masculine in thewomen, and so the instinctual

(30:36):
nature of the relationshipbetween man and woman is no
longer in an organic or naturalstate.
The man will start to see thewoman as a threat because he's
like, he can't smell herfeminine and the pheromones that
go off in his mind says well, Iwant to protect her or I want
to provide for her, I want tomake sure she's you know she
chooses me.
All of those energies getnullified, and so now he sees me

(30:59):
or sees the woman as abasically a smaller threat, like
she's smaller than me and she'sthreatening my, my survival,
and so abuse.
Actually, when we are looking300 years into the future, it
actually goes up.
So we really want to help themasculine and feminine balance
and return to what we'renaturally here to experience,
and because it's so beautifuland but it's not valued and a

(31:22):
lot of the things that thedisruptors as Spirit's saying in
my mind right now thedisruptors are technology.
It is the disruption that'shappening in our brains, and so
every time that handheld devicereally takes us up into the
brain more and more and more,and out of our body, out of our
instinctual nature, our hormonesare impacted, so it's really

(31:44):
driving our species off course,and so a lot of our work is
really helping people reclaimtheir sacred sexuality, because
that's really where our innatetrue power lies the kundalini.

Kertia (31:58):
Oh yeah.
Yeah, that's an amazingexplanation.
I love the way that youexplained it.
I've never heard it put thatway before.
Thinking about what you weresaying, I'd love also for you to
explain because you mentionedthe karmic patterns as well, and
how all of that ties into whatwe're here to experience.

(32:19):
I'd love for you to kind ofexplain the like that concept of
of karma, like what it reallyis, and how that ties into
everything that you guys aredoing right now.

Darryl (32:32):
Yeah, I mean how we look at karma because it shows up
with our clients virtually everysession and so on is, um, is
it's?
Karma is a actually a very goodthing.
It's there to build our, oursoul's evolution and our
growth's.
Karma is actually a very goodthing.
It's there to build our, oursoul's evolution and our growth.
So karma is is basically, it'snot about us getting our
comeuppance for doing somethingbad in a past life, although it

(32:53):
can sometimes look like that.
We're trying to learn fromexperience.
So the example it's a good oneto use is let's say, you abused
power in a past life and thenyou're at the end of your life,
you have your life review andyou realize you abused power and
then the next life you put itin your chart to be on the other
end, so that you are abused byexcess power and and then you

(33:17):
learn.
The best way to learn is alwaysthrough experience, so it's like
oh my god, that sucks right.
It feels terrible to to havethat experience and then it's
like oh my God, that sucks.
It feels terrible to have thatexperience and then it's
supposed to integrate as wisdomin our fields and then the next
time we're in the position ofpower we don't abuse it in that
way.
So that would be just oneexample of karma, but it can be
anything.
I mean, all energies are divine.

(33:39):
Power is just power.
But power used withconsciousness can be the ability
to set boundaries.
Power used withoutconsciousness can be abuse.
But this is what happens inlife is sometimes we push things
away.
It's like I gotta kill power onthat and and then.
And then you're puttingyourself in the victim's chair.
So we're always having to learnto be in right relationship

(34:01):
with all these differentenergies, whatever they may be,
and so on.
So karma is our ability to beable to learn to be in right
relationship with all thesedifferent energies, whatever
they may be, and so on.
So karma is our ability to beable to learn and integrate the
life lesson through theexperience of it.
If we don't learn it, thenwe're destined to repeat it.
There's uh fractals where whatwe call repeating patterns, and
we see this all the time.
So when we, when it comes upand it'll in a session.

(34:23):
It'll say oh, we have to gointo a past life to deal with.
The person comes in with whatthey want to heal or change in
their life, and it'd be I can'tsleep or I have headaches, or I
have this addiction or whateverit is.
And then they say, okay, wehave to go to a past life.
And then we get certainparameters from the past life,
and then Jen looks at itpsychically and and then we tell
the story of what happened andthe person goes, oh my god,

(34:43):
that's what's happening in mylife now.
Yeah, and the circumstanceswill be different, but the theme
is actually the same.
It's like another betrayal oran abandonment or some sort of
thing abuse.
And and then, as a result ofthat, it's like, oh, there was a
growth choice, there was anopportunity to learn this lesson
.
If we didn't learn, the lesson,then we're destined to repeat it

(35:04):
and so on.
But many funny things happenwith karma and these are some of
the things we're learning issometimes we go, ah, karma is
bad and we give it to somebodyelse or somebody else takes it
from us because it looks asperceived as suffering and so on
.
But it is, and people need togo through it.
They need to meet their karmaand learn because once you get
the message, then the universeisn't sadistic that you can

(35:27):
resolve that and and workthrough it, unless it's super
divine karma, which is anotheraspect which means you're going
to go through come hell or highwater, yeah, but typically it's
going to happen.
you know, once you get message,you don't need the messenger
essentially, and so this then isyou know, I think Jen's got

(35:48):
something to add about this, butthat's kind of a little bit how
we look at it.

Kertia (35:53):
Yeah.

Jennifer (35:54):
I think what Spirit wants me to just plug right now
is to give parents the courageto let their kids go through
stuff.
The courage to let their kidsgo through stuff.
Right now, the parenting hasbeen a landslide of confusion
because people have lost theirconnection to their instinctual
nature, and I was one of thosepeople.
Right, oh my gosh, because Icouldn't figure out.

(36:17):
There was this woman that Iknew she naturally could parent
her kids with, and I just was.
I was like using check marksand sticker charts and all this
contrived way of parenting, andthis was a long time ago.
But I figured out I'm like, oh,I naturally can do this, I'm
just out of touch with it.
And so I had to reawaken andreconnect to my feminine.

(36:37):
And so I think that's that'sepidemic right now is people are
parenting from this very likeoh, I don't want my child to
suffer, I don't want them tohurt like I did, and so
everyone's afraid to layboundaries or to have no as a
part of their arsenal and reallyteach and hold the container of

(36:59):
how they want their child tosucceed.
Spirits say, adding on, theextreme opposite is they're
over-programming their children,like they're on piano and
they're getting tutored andwe're in rep this and rep that,
and so they're hyper-focused onachievement and not letting
their children play and exploreand be bored.
And through boredom, oh, Icreated this game or I created a

(37:23):
new language, or I drew thesethings, and so you can see how
parenting is really fallingapart in a way.
And so by us teaching andmodeling this really important
simple message it's notcomplicated, but it's been
complicated and so we're pullingeverybody back to our
grassroots we really want todial it down and really bring

(37:44):
everybody back to why are wehere?
We've been accelerated withtechnology and that was brought
in probably against what shouldhave happened in our timeline.
We're going too quickly and sowe want to slow things down and
bring things back to hearth andhome and family and this divine
masculine, divine covenantbalance.

Kertia (38:07):
Yeah, that is so true.
I love that.
That's a beautiful message too,because, like as a parent
myself, I was once caught inthat cycle of, like you know,
wanting the best for my kids andwanting to protect them and all
of that.
And you know, and wanting toprotect them and all of that,
and you know, in the last fewyears, I myself began to realize
, like, you need to chill, it'snot that serious, you need to

(38:32):
chill and then just allow themto be.
You know, and that's somethingthat I myself also, as a mom,
has learned over time and thelevel of creativity that can
come out of kids, it's just, Idon't know.
It's crazy, it's I can't evendescribe it.

(38:52):
So, yeah, you're so right withthat.
That was, that was an amazingmessage.
I love for you because nowwe're like just talking about
life stuff, right.
I love for you because nowwe're like just talking about
life stuff, right.
I think that you know, you bothhave touched on being connected.
You know being heart centered,being connected to your heart in

(39:14):
different ways.
So I'd love for you to.
I mean, what would you say, youknow, to someone who, well,
maybe they feel like life isjust too challenging, right,
they're having a hard time, Iguess, making sense of their
experiences, of their choices,of the trajectory of their lives

(39:37):
.
And I think, now more than ever, a lot of people are
questioning a lot of things,which is great, um.
But you know, I know it's soeasy to get um to to, to kind of
like be sunken in the this, inthe distortion that is that is

(40:00):
occurring.
So I'd love to like what do youboth have to say to that?

Darryl (40:12):
Yeah, well, I mean, that is an excellent inquiry,
because this is what happens inlife and, like I, said, we were
thrown into the game without therules, and so we have to look
at why these things are showingup in our lives, in the
metaphysical world.
There there's the thing sayingwe create our own reality and so
we create our own realityenergetically, and it's not so
much like the manifestation Iwant a mercedes, I want a

(40:33):
mercedes, I want it.
But you're speaking to thefield.
You're speaking to the fieldmuch more powerfully from from
the unconscious yeah and so if Iwas to bring up a metaphor, if
I had like two pens or somethinglike, let's say these are both
tuning forks and I strike thisone and it's vibrating.
And it's the same size tuningfork as the other one and I
bring it close to this one, thisone's going to start to vibrate

(40:56):
as well.
Okay.
And but if this is a biggertuning fork and I strike it and
I bring it to a smaller, nothinghappens.
So why I'm saying that is,everything in life is vibration
and frequency.
So our thought forms that wehave and hold in our
subconscious.
And you know, if it's a shameprogram, I'm horrible person, I

(41:17):
deserve to suffer, I'm bad.
That's like a tuning fork andit goes out into the field and
there's infinite possibilitiesin the field, and there's
something out in the field andit comes into resonance and it
draws that experience into yourlife.
So what's showing up in yourlife very much is a mirror of
your own consciousness yeahright and, like you're saying,

(41:37):
heart-centered.
If a person is in a place of,I'm worthy of the best that love
has, love and life has to offer.
I'm worthy of good things.
I'm worthy that I'm a goodperson.
I'm divine.
That's your tuning fork and itgoes out into the field and it
finds a like vibration and drawsthat experience into our lives.
So I mean, that's a very simpleversion, but this is, we've

(41:58):
millions of messages coming offof us and drawing millions of
experiences back to us.
Yeah, so we have to look,especially if there's a similar
pattern coming up and showing upover and over again.
It's like, oh my god, I keep my, got rid of this partner and I
joined this other one andthey're the exact same.
And then I got.
Yeah, it's like, oh my god,it's me right and me, it's me

(42:20):
right.
What is it that I'm?
you know that it's allenergetics and energetic
dynamics and, withoutexaggerating, are literally
mathematical.
So once you learn the math andyou can start to see, oh my gosh
, what's being reflected back tome by what's showing up in my
life, and once you learn how toread those signals, then you can

(42:41):
shift the state of yourconsciousness and then not draw
those patterns in and start todraw other patterns in.
And of course we see thishappen all the time with our
clients, because that's whatwe're doing we're changing their
energetic dynamics, we'rechanging those programs, we're
changing how they speak to thefield and then they it changes
them.
Their whole life is becauseit's an intermingling of all

(43:02):
these energetic dynamics, ourswith theirs and they mix and
they create a pattern and awaveform and it turns into an
expression.
So once you change yours, itstarts.
The whole thing has to comeinto a new pattern.
So this then becomes the ideaof starting to look at that.
So we have to know what's inour unconscious.
But the problem with theunconscious is it is indeed
unconscious, it's belowawareness.

(43:23):
So one way to look at ourunconscious programs is our
dreams.
Our dreams are constantlyshowing us what's alive in there
, through metaphor and so on.
It's like oh, you know, there'sa child on the sidewalk and I'm
, you know, I get in my car andI drive away.
It's like, oh, that's yourinner child that you're driving
away from and so you're notpaying.

(43:43):
Or there's my Aunt Louise is injail.
What's Aunt Louise?
Well, aunt Louise is supercreative and artistic and you've
got that part of you in jailand you're like linear and all
about mind and science andyou've lost that part of you.
So we're always being given.
The universe is a reflection ofwhat it is we need.

(44:05):
So you need, you need tounderstand what's being mirrored
to you and then you need toolsto be able to change it.
Because, remember, I said thattwo minds work differently so in
our workshops we teach, we givepeople the tools, and we've
come up with this wonderfulmetaphor, spirit dropped it in
that when you come to ourworkshops or we're going to have

(44:25):
them online as well it's likebasically learning to.
We're teaching people how tobrush and floss their teeth
right and how to clean up someof those programs.
When a person comes to see usas a client, it's like going to
the dentist, because sometimesyou need a root canal, sometimes
you got to get in there and youhave to dig out things that

(44:48):
it's too hard to pick up on.
But we've been at this for 50years collectively and we're
very good at doing that.
I mean, we have clients thatyou know one visit and they were
alcoholic and now they're theydon't take alcohol anymore and
clients that have chronic painall their lives and they have a
couple visits and then that goesaway.
So because you're working atthe level of cause but we have

(45:10):
to, but we can do a tremendousamount of work, but we were.
We don't understand our innerworkings and what's being played
in the unseen world, but as youdeal with it there, then you
get all that insights andunderstanding of why it's
playing out in your life andthat would be my long-winded
answer to your question.

Kertia (45:31):
Love that.
Yeah, yeah Jen.

Jennifer (45:33):
Yeah, there's something from Spirit that they
want us to add and it's kind of.
There's a couple parts.
One is I'm going to say theword, these words again, because
it seems very, very importantthe instinctual nature.
So the instinctual nature islike found in our root chakra.
Right, our root has been verysevered.
We are up in our minds, right.
So the more we build that basechakra, really more we connect

(45:55):
to our earth, which is ourextended body, we are going to
harness survival energy.
Because I was like askingSpirit.
I was like asking spirit, howdo you want me to answer this
question?
And then they gave me this,this picture.
I'm like what's different in methat maybe someone else might
not have, and that is a survivalthe, the ability to get up and

(46:19):
do it.
And so that energy has beendrained by people.
And spirit was showing me justnow, right, just right now this
is brand new that that severingof the root chakra really has
made people weak Cause.
I'm like why am I so strong?
Oh, my roots are very, very,very strong, and so that power
that I access is the power ofthe whole planet, right, and so

(46:43):
I get up and I do it and I'mlike it doesn't mean I'm not
tired and I don't want to take abreak, and all those things.
The energy in other people isvery weak, and so they don't
have the capacity to really getthemselves going, get that fire
burning, and so think of themolten fire in the center of the
planet.
We need fire, we need catalysts, we need power to get going,

(47:05):
and so that root chakra if I wasto really help people, I would
focus on healing that, and thatcan take all kinds of different
forms and looking and reallystudying the root, which we
offer in our workshop, of course.
And so once you harness thatinstinctual nature, now you've
got drive, because you think ofan animal, they are going to
protect themselves, they aregoing to survive, and so we've

(47:27):
lost that, you know, in thatsevering.
So that's number one.
Number two is oh, what else didthey want me to say?
I feel like I've got allexcited about that, but it might
come back, but I think that, oh, the process, the light body
process, I think.
Oh, I was just wanting to addso these clients that we've

(47:49):
worked with just a couple ofpeople in the last couple of
days that we can.
It's easy for us to remember thesuccess, like one session
eradicated alcoholism.
She went into full detox,checked herself in yes, and she
was only 23 years years old.
She said she never thought shewould stop drinking.
She had been drinking since shewas 14 or 15.
Oh and and drug addiction.

(48:10):
Another client had basically adeep mold issue, like a systemic
issue, where she had been toevery doctor, functional
medicine, various therapies ofall kinds but the formation of
her illness was her deep angertowards her parents, her father
and her mother, woundings, verydeep woundings, and so she could

(48:33):
not let go of that mold.
And so the mold, yes, wasmaking her sick, but it was
actually the wounding from herown feminine and masculine
relationship that was holding itin place.
And so, even though there wereall these things were attempting
to help her, nothing couldimmobilize it, nothing can move
out.
She hadn't exercised or doneanything in years and just with

(48:55):
two sessions she's back outgardening.
And this is a woman who's maybe35.
She's a young, what you wouldthink, looking at her, capable,
strong, know, strong woman.
But she was totally immobilizedby this illness for years and
years and years.
So this stuff, on a deeperlevel, when you're ready, oh,
that was the last piece.
Spirit, you have to want it.

(49:16):
You have to want this more thanbreath.
And so that's why I was like,well, how am I going to get
people to want it more thanbreath?
Your instinctual nature has tobe activated again, and so that
survival energy.
I want to change, I want to getbetter, I want to know the
truth, because a lot of us don'twant to know the truth, a lot
of us want to stay in like I'lljust leave that for another day,

(49:37):
I'll avoid it, I'll deny it, Idon't want it.
But when people meet with us,they we move mountains by by
facing the truth and the changethat's possible for people,
unbelievable.

Kertia (49:53):
Like we have so many stories of this nature.
That's beautiful.
Is this?
You know what you're speakingabout.
Is this process, the what youcall the awaken in your light
body process?
That's amazing.

Darryl (50:05):
Yeah, that's what we teach in the workshops.
And yeah, we were just inOntario and taught three
workshops and took a bunch ofpeople through and it's amazing
Like some people, just from theworkshops we've had people say,
oh my God, I woke up the nextday and didn't need my glasses.

Kertia (50:20):
Right another addiction.

Darryl (50:22):
Yeah, there are all kinds of things.
Sometimes you don't even knowthis is related to that, but you
know what's stored in oursystem is is powerful, like, and
you know, emotions buried alivenever die is a wonderful quote
by a woman named Candice Burtonwho's in our field.
But it's true and and they havea huge charge and it takes a

(50:44):
tremendous amount of energy tokeep that stuff pressed down and
so on, and once you finally letit go, all that energy is
liberated Power.
Yeah, but if those buriedresentments and angers and
things of that nature, they'reacidic and they're acidic to
your body, they change yourbody's pH and in that, you know,
you create heat andinflammation and you think of

(51:06):
all the itises in our world.
Right, these are allinflammatory processes.
Another thing very often you'llsee is people that are angry at
themselves.
They have a big inner critic.
We all have one.
Some people are like, wait,you're really really big, and
some people's not as big.
But that voice inside of usthat beats us up, well, the part
of us that takes the hit fromthat is our inner child.

(51:27):
It's like internal child abuseand it creates autoimmune
diseases because we're attackingourselves, our autoimmune, and
so we don't see the relationship.
But once we start to separatefrom that inner critical voice,
then we can.
We are free in a way, and westarting to care for our own
inner child, and then that childcan express this creativity, we

(51:47):
can have more fun and richnessin our lives and life can take
on a whole new meaning.
The symptoms aren't really theproblem.
The symptoms are your body'sway of letting you know that
something at a deeper levelneeds your awareness.
And so you know, just byshutting off the symptoms is
like taking the battery out ofthe fire alarm when your house
is on fire, you still have aproblem right.

(52:07):
So we need to deal with thingsat the level of cause and then
things change and so on.
So there's physical, mental,emotional, spiritual reasons why
things show up in people'slives and you have to work at
all those levels very often, butsometimes there's ones that are
primary.
But being kind and gentle withourselves is a clue, because if

(52:29):
we are critical to ourselves,like those mirrors, then we will
draw in people that judge us.
That's another one of thesemirrors that we're talking about
.
And so when you change yourrelationship to yourself, then
what happens in your life?
Change.
People been trying to changeothers all through history and
it never really works.
But what you can change isyourself, and when you change
yourself you change theenergetic dynamics and you

(52:50):
change what shows up.
So we want to empower people tostart to recognize their
relationship to their world andto their life, and to the people
in their life and to their ownbodies and to the earth at large
, because this then can beextrapolated into the problems
that we have in our world,because we have our own little

(53:11):
subconscious minds, which isindividuated, and then there's
the collective unconscious,which is all of our psyches put
together and those patterns inthere, because that collective
of repressed patterns will showup in our environment and so on,
because there's a lot ofinflammation on the earth right
now isn't there?
The earth is heating up andthings like that, right, and so

(53:34):
we need the feminine coolingenergies to bring that heat down
and back into balance.
But the feminine has beenrepressed, and so we're seeing
that as the kind of a more of aglobalized expression of the
collective unconscious.
So, as we start to shift here,then it's going to be reflected,
because it's not a metaphor.
The world is our extended body.
We're a part of it, notseparate from it, and once we

(53:57):
start to recognize that, then wecan actually make a huge
difference in our environment,in our, our world, and make it
more sustainable.

Kertia (54:06):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.
Thank you so much for thatresponse.
That was, yeah, that wasphenomenal, daryl.
You touched on so many thingsthere.
I don't even know whichdirection to take the question
that I'm about to ask you, whichdirection to take the question

(54:27):
that I'm about to ask you.
You touched on so many thingsthere and I'm just like, okay,
all right, let's go with this.
So, thinking about you know,like you spoke about things on,
you know the different bodiesthat we have the mental, the
physical, you know the emotional, how these different bodies
come into play, into the thingsthat manifest in our lives, in

(54:51):
our bodies, in the way our worldlooks.
Right, taking all of that intocontext, you know, like, as we
say, right, we've been talkingabout this mirroring effect
right during this conversationand you speaking about the
inflammation that we experiencein our bodies on an individual

(55:12):
level, it's also theinflammation that is mirrored
back into the world witheverything that's going on, you
know, in the collective and evenEnvironmentally yeah, even in
the environment and nature andeverything else in between.
What do you think?
You know, I know this is a bigquestion, but what do you think

(55:36):
is the purpose of all of this,of us being here right now?

Jennifer (55:42):
Hmm, your turn.
All right, I'll have a go.
Well, I think that we'reeternally learning through a
creative process, and free willis fundamental to that process.
So we are, we jump intosituations and we say, oh, how

(56:02):
am I going to respond in thissituation?
And we have these, theseoptions in front of us, and so
the informing energies that youwere speaking about, and I'm
just going to draw them backinto the physical, emotional,
mental and spiritual.
So what spirit has showed meand I don't know if I'm going to
be able to?
So the heart, the toroid, sothe center of our being, is kind

(56:25):
of like the pivot point.
It's the entry point foreverything.
It's the entry point foreverything, it's the entry point
for the truth, it's the entrypoint into source, it's the
nucleus of our whole being rightand so we are informed.
I'll just do it maybe from below, but we are informed by our
bodies, so that informationcomes up into the heart.
Our emotions are informing usof information.

(56:46):
Oh, I don't like that.
Oh, that is a trigger.
So we're being informed by that, the mental process of like, oh
I know, if I spend all my money, I won't have money tomorrow.
Oh, there's information there.
So there's data.
And then there's our spiritualinput and press from source and
from our own guides andguidances and our angels.

(57:08):
And so all of that comes in andwe were to bring it into the
heart and say, okay, I have allthis data.
Now what choice am I going tomake?
Why is this presenting?
And so we're now getting at theheart of it.
So language is beautiful For me.
I love the study of linguistics.
We're getting to the heart ofthe matter.
And so now we're really drawingupon all of this knowledge,

(57:32):
wisdom and information and we'recreating in this moment, this
very moment, the next choice,and then the dynamic, the
complexity of our soul growswhen we're bringing in all that
information.
What happens is we come indistortion when we go only to
the mind, or we go only to theemotion, or we go only to the
physical body and we say run,run for us, you know, like just

(57:55):
go and so, or we're up in ourspiritual body and we meet lots
of people like that, wherethey're spiritually bypassing,
they're hanging out in thepretty unicorns and the candy
floss and the bubble gum of life, and that is not real either.
So you can see why we need allfour pillars online and they
need to all come into this veryquiet place within the heart and

(58:18):
we go into the cave of theheart and we take space and we
have oh, now I understand.
And we have oh, now Iunderstand.
And then that is ultimatelyjust the nucleus.
The radiation of light that isemitted from that heart-centered
experience is essentially thelight body and it is the light

(58:41):
that we see in people and it isthe essence of feeling why
you're alive.
To know and not to feel is notto really know.
It's one of my favorite quotes.
So we have to feel our waythrough this experience, and
that is why we're here.
We are here to know through theexperience of feeling it, and
so that is when we know pain andwe know joy.

(59:03):
Then we have tasted life, andto have only one and not the
other, it can't be.
And so I think that we're very,very, very blessed.
To be embodied Like spiritshows me that, oh my gosh, when
I touch the sacredness ofsomeone that's transitioned or
is transitioning someone, whenwe work with people who are in

(59:24):
those energies, the intensity ofthat, the gift of life, is like
.
I don't even know if there'sanything more sweeter than than
that, and so I think we forget,because the mind can't doesn't
have an information for that ithas to be in the feeling body

(59:44):
and in the physical expressionin their spiritual body.
So I don't know if I've answeredyour question, but hopefully
I've kind of given you a tasteof where I go and why.
Every breath and every morningwhen I rise it's like I'm so
excited For me every morning isa Christmas day.
I really do feel that way.
I really feel and have since Ireally woke up.

(01:00:07):
So I think awakening peoplethat's why it's Awaken your Life
, body is really like awakeningout of the illusion of like
there's no purpose, there'snothing here.
I don't understand it.
It's just about making money.
It's too routine.
That is a living death.
That is not purpose to routinethat is a living death.

Kertia (01:00:26):
That is not purpose.
Yeah, yeah, that was a greatresponse.

Jennifer (01:00:30):
I'd love to know.

Kertia (01:00:32):
That was definitely a great response.
I'd love to know because I knowyou've been telling me that
you've been receivinginformation during our
conversation.
I'd love to know who are youcurrently working with Like?
Who are your spirit guides?
I'd love to know more aboutthat.

Okay, primarily I mean people like to put labels on
things and I've been anti-labelfor a long time, however.
So primarily I'm alwaysspeaking with Angel Uriel, so
she has been like every day allthe time.
However, a lot of times I'll bespeaking with who would be.

(01:01:14):
It depends on the person.
So imagine it's like, well,what kind of ice cream would be
best for this dessert?
And then it's like, oh, it'schocolate, oh, we're going to
you know.
So right now it's like itdepends.
If it's Jesus that I have tobring through that information,
it's coming probably from thatconsciousness of the Christ
energy that that needs to bebrought into the experience, and

(01:01:34):
so the experience kind ofdictates.
The luminary that that Iconnect to, but often I'm also
speaking with what I will say isthe divine father and the
divine mother.
So the great spirit it kind ofsplits into two.
It's like if I'm speaking tothe divine father aspect of the
great spirit, there's a certaininstruction or way why, and if

(01:01:59):
it's the divine mother, thenthere's an example of why I'm on
the feminine side of the greatspirit.
So I definitely work in that.
But all of the luminaries whenyou think of Mary Magdalene and
Buddha and Quan Yin and who else?
White Buffalo, white Buffalo,calf Pipe Woman.
So we just worked with heryesterday because the client has
a lineage, an indigenouslineage, so it was a great match

(01:02:21):
.
We had another client who themessages needed to come through
from white buffalo calf pipewoman, and this person was like
gobsmacked because they're like,oh you have no idea, my sacred
animal, the I have everywhere inmy house is a buffalo, and so
it was the most meaningfulexperience for him because his,
his soul, needed thatconfirmation in that moment.

(01:02:42):
So it really is unique to eachperson.
Hopefully that helps.

Darryl (01:02:47):
Yeah, I mean, in the Way to Peace Jen's book, it was
Jesus that came through in thechanneling and it was.
Yeah, I mean it's amazing torealize that, oh my God, that's
the luminary that wants to shareat this time in history.
And yeah, I think that's a goodthing to talk about a little
bit, because yeah, I was justabout to ask you about that.

(01:03:10):
You were just like I was justabout to ask you about that.
What's really interesting isthere's been a lot of things
like we live in this thirddimensional existence, which is
a very small bandwidth, thecomplete bandwidth that exists
in totality, and so there's alot of things that are happening

(01:03:31):
outside of our dimension andwhat comes through in the book
is those influences, becausethey're strong influences on us
and we don't know that they'rethere, but a lot of them aren't
friendly and they play withtheir minds, essentially because
that's the, that's essentiallythe game.
It's not like the hollywoodmovie so much, but if you can,

(01:03:53):
uh, work on a person'sconsciousness and adjust it in
this way or that, then you canbasically control their whole
being in their existence and howthey show up in the world.

So there is that in?

Darryl (01:04:06):
the book and I think in the book we start to develop a
much deeper understanding of ourrelationship to our extended
world and why we need to reallystep up right now, because
everything is bottleneckingright now and we're living.

(01:04:27):
Living, you know, is I mean, ifyou, I have to say it's like we
live in denial, a lot of us,and if you he's thinking
problems are just going to goaway.
It's like a the ostrich if hesticks his head in the sand, you
know his butt is still in theair, right, you're still gonna.
You can't think it's just gonnago away and that.

(01:04:47):
But the good news is, as we doour own inner work and and and
really do what's on our plateand what's we came here to do
and fulfill our purpose, theneverything can rebalance and
come back into harmony.
But we have to collectivelyreally start to show up that way
, because the truth does send us, set us free.

(01:05:07):
Sometimes people believe whatthey want to believe.
It may have nothing to do withthe truth and that, but we're
conditioned by things.
We're conditioned by the media.
We're conditioned by that.
We believe it because it'sconvenient for us to believe it.
But we've never been taughtthat our body has a truth
detector in it, and when thingsaren't in alignment with truth,

(01:05:28):
our body is going to tell usthat.
But because we live in ourminds and are like bobbleheads,
we're not connected to the partof us that goes well.
That doesn't feel right yeah andthen we're a to manipulate.
So what is it?
It's really important that weconnect to these deeper parts of
ourselves because you know thetruth is what is going to

(01:05:49):
liberate us and because itaccepts that and sometimes it's
like, well, I don't want tobelieve that, but ultimately
that's your liberation yeah,yeah, yeah, that is so true,
daryl.

Kertia (01:06:02):
That is.
That is so true, like thatconnection back to your body and
and you know, like just also aswe spoke about that integration
between the four bodies, howimportant that is, not leaning
so much into one or both orwhatever aspect that a lot of us
tend to lean.
I think a lot of us we've beenprogrammed to be in our minds a

(01:06:25):
lot primarily and, yeah, I'm sohappy that you both spoke on
that today because I think it'ssomething that we need to talk
about and a lot of people needto hear and be aware of, because

(01:06:47):
I think we're completelyunaware of that.
We're unaware of it.
Um, we operate from our minds,like some of us like a hundred
percent of the time, some of usa little bit less, some of us
somewhere in the middle, but, um, it's about definitely having
that balance.
So, yeah, that, like you guysgave such beautiful messages
today and thank you for bringingup the way to peace um, you're
just so on point with that.

(01:07:08):
It was the perfect moment tospeak about it.
Um, I'd love to know, like, ifis there anything else that
you'd like to share that wehaven't yet spoken about?

Darryl (01:07:21):
um, I, I think it's.
You know, we want to leavepeople with the idea that
they're much more powerful thanthey have been led to believe.
You know we're again.
I think the game has been topeople's minds and so on.

(01:07:43):
But when you awaken your lightbody, you're you're moving this
energy up to its full potential,and that potential is magical.
As a child, I used to go I wishmagic was real.
I wish magic was real and yougrow up and then you go.
My god, it is real it is yeah soas we start to but it needs to

(01:08:03):
be as we're in this journey, webecome kind of a little bit more
egoically identified and aboutself.
But as we recognize that we'reall connected, we are all like
leaves on the same tree or dropsin the same ocean, and when we
come from that place of one forall and all for one, then the

(01:08:27):
world will change and so on.
So we need to get into thatempowered place where we can
step into the fullness of ourdeepest potential and then come
from that heart place, becausethat heart is that place that is
the impulse towards unity placethat is the impulse towards

(01:08:50):
unity.
When we have, in a deeplyloving state or a heart state,
there's a coherence that happensbetween us and our environment
and we come into a sense ofoneness and in that place of
oneness great change can happen.
So, but we have to have thatrelationship with ourselves
first, instead of that innercritic, what I was telling you
about.
But once we align with that andwe align with all our brothers
and sisters, then we come from aplace where we're all in this

(01:09:12):
together, and together we cancreate a massive change and live
in a world that's worth livingin different from separation and
fear and greed and envy andresentment and jealousy we're
coming into.
No, we're all going to worktogether to create a world that
would be full of joy and peaceand harmony and creativity.

Kertia (01:09:35):
And yeah, one love is bob marley would say yeah yeah,
I love that you mentioned thatI'm jamaican, you know I know, I
know, so is daryl we just sawthat movie.
Actually it was like somethingthat was amazing I haven't seen
the movie yet, but I definitelyintend to love that you brought

(01:09:56):
up.
Yes, one love guys, one loveone heart.
Yes, exactly that's what it'sall about.
Um, I don't know, jen, do youhave anything else to close us
off with?

in their world and and it's like I am them, and then
they are me, and, and so, inthat, the unity, energy of
touching that is, we knowourselves even more through the
mirrors of relationships.
So I would say, um, reallycherish, uh, the people that
upset you, because they'reshowing you something, maybe
that you're unwilling to see inyourself, as you already know,
and cherish the ones that arealso there, supporting and

(01:10:50):
loving us and showing us who weare when we forget, right?
So I think that relationship iseverything and I think that the
place of intimacy is really whatwe're all seeking and we are
all trying to get the same thing, which is love, right, and
that's why I said one love, likewe really are wanting to feel
love, and so we have to firstunderstand it in ourselves and,

(01:11:13):
when we can, then the powerthat's emitted from the heart
and that nucleus, that toroidwithin our heart, it can change
everything, like that's whatheals our clients and that's
what the first thing that theCreator said to me when I was 28
is uh, all you need is love andI know that seems like almost,

(01:11:34):
but it was love.
He, the divine father, was.
It's all about love, and andfrom there everything changed in
my life, everything, and so Iwould say that's the big word.

Kertia (01:11:45):
Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful.
I love.
I love that you say you knowyou spoke about appreciating the
people who give us a hard time,because we tend to,
instinctively, we want to do theopposite, we want to hate them,
we want to get back at them, wewant to hurt them the way that

(01:12:07):
they hurt us and you know, it'strue Like they are here to teach
us something and they're hereto teach us something about
ourselves.
There's so much.
There's so many lessons wrappedup into the challenging
experiences that we have, andour relationships and how we
relate to others are just a partof that process.

(01:12:28):
So I'm really happy that youalso mentioned that, because
it's just so true.
Yeah, at the end of the day,it's all about love.
Thank you so much.
I'd love for you to tell uswhere we can find you and how we
can access your workshopsaccess your workshops.

Darryl (01:12:53):
Okay, yeah, our website is thenatureofusca and um.
So we have, you know, jen'sprophecies a book.
There are courses when they'reum there, and the online program
will be on there in a fewmonths time.
I guess we're looking at maybelate summer, uh, early fall, and
then I guess you know, if theywant to contact us for a
one-on-one session, we have anonline booking system there and

(01:13:15):
so, yeah, just about everythingyou need to know about us is on
our website.

Kertia (01:13:20):
Awesome, awesome, yeah, and hopefully when I'm in
Vancouver I can just come overand check out your workshop as
well.
Yeah, I'd love to.
I know you recently had one inToronto, but unfortunately I
couldn't make it.
There was a lot happening on myend.
But thank you so much.

Yeah, we're open to people hosting us.
So if people are like, oh, Iwant to bring them in and run a
workshop, that's how people,that's how we host workshops,
right?
So people can always contact usif they have a group that they
want us to work with.

Kertia (01:13:50):
Oh, that's amazing.
I love that.

Thank you so much, guys.
This was such such an amazingconversation.

Kertia (01:14:01):
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Thanks, krisha.
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