USPS, Non-Domiciled CDLs, And Capacity Crunch Explained

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A windy hop to Fort Wayne set the stage, but the real turbulence hit when USPS clamped down on non-domiciled CDL drivers and watched service clog almost overnight. We walk through the ban, the backlash, and the DOT’s emergency interim rule, then connect the dots to capacity, safety, and why a slow correction might finally nudge rates higher after a grinding freight slump.

We break the jargon into real-world choices: how lowest-bid USPS contracts implode when diesel spikes, why CDL mills and lax English proficiency testing create safety and fairness gaps, and what happens when visa timelines don’t match CDL validity. You’ll hear how states with friendlier rules amplified the problem and why contractors leaned on non-domiciled license holders to make thin margins work. It’s not a blame game aimed at drivers; it’s a look at the systems that pushed many into bad deals and how enforcement could rebalance the market.

Then we zoom out. Three forces are shrinking capacity even without a demand boom: tighter English-proficiency enforcement, the non-domiciled CDL crackdown, and a major pullback in new truck builds as OEMs cut shifts and big fleets delay refresh cycles. That combination retires older equipment faster than it’s replaced and pushes out noncompliant operators, setting the stage for a gradual lift in rates. Expect a slow burn, not fireworks—more like an instrument approach than a sprint to the runway.

Along the way, we keep it human: instrument training with foggles and 200-foot minimums, the surreal sight of wind turbines from 4,000 feet, and the eternal truck-stop coffee debate that every driver holds strong opinions about. If you care about safety, compliance, and getting paid fairly for the miles you run, this conversation gives you both the story and the strategy. Subscribe, share with a driver who needs the update, and drop your take: will tighter rules help or hurt your lanes this quarter?

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_04 (00:00):
I don't think it's professional.
Just my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 (00:03):
You think this is professional?
Without cursing.

SPEAKER_02 (00:07):
This is totally professional.
Without cursing this podcast isprofessional.
It's not like we're all sittingaround drinking whiskey having
conversations about things wedon't know about.
Hey everybody, welcome back toanother episode of the Outer

(00:27):
Belt Podcast Show.
What are we calling it?

SPEAKER_00 (00:31):
Just the Outer Belt.
Just the Outer Belt.

SPEAKER_02 (00:33):
Welcome back to the Outer Belt.
We hope you are enjoying yourtime on 270.
And um That's the end, isn't it?
It is the end.

SPEAKER_00 (00:41):
It is the end.

SPEAKER_02 (00:42):
It's been a wonderful night.
Y'all have a good one.

SPEAKER_03 (00:44):
It's reverse night.

SPEAKER_02 (00:45):
It's reversed night.

SPEAKER_06 (00:46):
It's dyslexia.

SPEAKER_05 (00:53):
Reverse it.
What's that song?
Reverse it.
Yeah, I don't know the words.

SPEAKER_04 (00:59):
Flip it.
Flip it and reverse it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00):
There we go.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01):
Okay, we'll try one more time.
Yes?

SPEAKER_03 (01:02):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11):
Hey everybody, welcome to the Outer Belt.
I'm Patrick, and you know I'm myfriend.
Chili.

SPEAKER_06 (01:16):
Buttermilk.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16):
Derek.

SPEAKER_06 (01:17):
Zoo, Kini Brad.

SPEAKER_02 (01:19):
And Jerry.
Oh, I'm so glad to be here.
It has been a day.
It has been a day.
It's been it's been a very longweek, and it's only Monday.

SPEAKER_05 (01:27):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29):
No, we've got past Monday.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31):
We're past Monday?

SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
Yeah.
Today was second Monday.
Stop it.
Oh, well, today was a MondayestTuesday, wasn't it?
And tomorrow's gonna be theMondayest Wednesday, I bet you.

SPEAKER_06 (01:39):
Yes.
I don't think so.
I think it's gonna be the Mondayas Thursday.

SPEAKER_02 (01:43):
No, no, that's where you're wrong.
I'm telling you right now, I'vealready checked.
Thursday, it's gonna be a greatday.

SPEAKER_07 (01:48):
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (01:48):
The weather is gonna be beautiful.
Uh I plan on going frying.
I almost said frying.
I was like, frying.

SPEAKER_00 (01:57):
We're doing a good old-fashioned fresh frying.

SPEAKER_02 (01:59):
We're doing a fresh fry.
It's gonna be a beautiful day.
I don't care who you are.
Uh so no, but today, in allseriousness, though, today was a
pretty rough day for uh some ofus, but just work was very
worky.
Yeah, you know, the sun was out.
But it was a beautiful day.
Yeah, it was freaking gorgeous.

(02:21):
Yep.
I at one point I was I had to godown to the yard uh and I
grabbed my jacket and I put iton, I got ready to leave, and I
was like, I'm just curious, didI get the heavy the appropriate
weight jacket?
I thought it might have beencolder, and I looked at my watch
and it was 59 degrees, and I'mlike, oh, that's no jacket
weather.

SPEAKER_00 (02:41):
What your watch doesn't tell you is the wind.
Or it's I took I took mine offweather with the wind and went
to repair a windshield, and thewind was like, no, we need a
jacket.

SPEAKER_02 (02:50):
Yeah.
Yeah, well, I told you, so todayI uh uh as most of y'all know
I'm a uh I already have myprivate pilot's license.
Um I don't drink and fly.
Uh, but I uh am working now onmy instrument uh license or our
our uh endorsement.
So that means I can fly in theclouds at night.
Or not at night, but in theclouds, and when you can't see,

(03:11):
right?
You're just strictly going offyour control panel on the
airplane.
So to do this, you literally puton these glasses that like gray
everything out except for youruh instruments, yeah, your
panels, and uh and you do yourflights.
And you have uh a pilot with youcalled a safety pilot, and what
they're doing is looking forother airplanes.

(03:32):
Because when it is a beautifulclear day and you're flying,
especially at the levels we'reflying, uh you don't have to
have any of that stuff.
I mean, you can literally be a1918 Piper Cub with no
electricity, like literally noelectricity.
You got out and you cranked theengine by spinning the prop, and
then you pulled the uh chalksout and then jumped on the plane

(03:54):
and took off.
Like that's totally legal andtotally fine.
Um and so they wouldn'tobviously show up on the on my
dash uh on the on the littlepanel that sees the other
airplanes.
So you have to have someone inthe airplane actually looking
out for people like that.
And uh so today we did fly toFort Wayne, and I I told Vince,
I told you this earlier, but Ihaven't told y'all yet.
So to get out to Fort Wayne waslike 46 minutes, I think it was,

(04:18):
and it was 32 minutes to getfrom Fort Wayne to uh back to uh
Columbus.

SPEAKER_05 (04:22):
36 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 (04:24):
46 minutes and 32.
The wind.
That's how strong the wind wasblowing.
So on the way up there, the windwas just fighting us, right?
So the plane thought it wasgoing fast, but actually over
the ground we were going prettyslow, and then flip around the
other way, the plane thinkswe're going fast, and over the
ground we're fly flying.

(04:44):
So uh yeah, that was pretty funbecause Fort Wayne is a place we
go to frequently a lot.
That is one of the perks ofbeing able to fly, is that uh
I'll be able to take us to FortWayne, pick up trucks or
whatever for when they have tobe extended stays.
You know, sometimes it's an inand out in one day, but
sometimes you go out there andit's gotta be dropped off, and a
week later we go pick it up, uh,depending on the nature of what

(05:06):
needs to be done.
It's pretty cool to actually flyout there and kind of know,
like, oh, this is what I'll bedoing.
This is the route, this iswhatever.
But the other thing that suckedabout it is it was a beautiful,
gorgeous day, and for two hoursin the air I couldn't see how
the airplane.
So, like, there was one pointwhere we were passing uh
something and uh it was unique.

(05:27):
So my flight instructor waslike, okay, real quick, take a
look.
So I did take a look, and it wascool to see.
Uh what it is, and you knowthis, when you're going um to
Fort Wayne from Columbus, thereis a windmill farm.
Yeah.
Is that the right way to put it?
It's like hundreds of windmills.
And so we flew right over that.

(05:47):
And so he was like, look out.
And I looked out, and it's justwindmills as far as you could
see underneath us.
It was crazy.
They look like toothpicks.
I'm just curious.
Tiny.
What were they milling?

SPEAKER_03 (05:56):
They were milling, oh is it not windmills?
Wind turbines.
Wind turbines.

SPEAKER_00 (06:01):
Someone's gonna put in the comments, they're typing
it right now.
Oh yeah.
They're called wind turbines.

SPEAKER_02 (06:08):
Someone's like, I thought there were fans.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:10):
Uh pulling off the uh the corn.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (06:13):
But get the corn sweats out of there.
Yeah.
Well, they're they're built bythis company OnlyFans.
Oh, um, so they're interesting.
No, that's electric.
So uh, but no, they are uh itwas it was cool to see them from
that perspective because I'm soused to seeing them from the
ground.

SPEAKER_04 (06:27):
Uh and then it was like right back on uh with the
cool to see the ones like out inNew Mexico, Texas, California.
That'd be awesome.

SPEAKER_02 (06:35):
Well, I'm thinking of like the that one spot.
Uh is it on I-10?
Uh you're better at Californiainterstates than I am.
I already know what you'retalking about.
Will you go between Los Angeles,San Bernardino, and uh uh if
you're going up uh 58 to Palm?
No.

SPEAKER_00 (06:55):
No, if you're going east or east on 110 either way
on 110, Palm Springs.
Palm Springs, thank you.
I was gonna say Desert Springs,but that's all right.

SPEAKER_01 (07:03):
There's so many out there, not all of them work.

SPEAKER_02 (07:05):
Oh, I is that it's I always assumed it was a windmill
testing place.
Or I'm sorry, a wind turbinetesting place.
Because if you haven't been outthere, uh there's a thousand.

SPEAKER_05 (07:19):
And some of them aren't even moving.
I'm like broken.

SPEAKER_02 (07:23):
And they have like all different styles and types,
and like they have little bittyones that look like they're
about to spin off the thing.
They're going a thousand milesan hour in a circle, and then
they have the gigantic ones thatare barely moving, but they're
the ones that are producing themost electricity, you know?
And and everything in between,it is a trip.
It's so weird.

(07:44):
And then it looks like they getbuilt, they do their experiment,
and they just leave them.

SPEAKER_05 (07:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (07:49):
They don't ever like it looks like they don't ever do
anything with them.

SPEAKER_05 (07:52):
Like a wind turbine cemetery.

SPEAKER_06 (07:55):
I think the little ones are to test the speed.
They're just for wind speed.

SPEAKER_02 (08:00):
Usually they need one of those.

SPEAKER_06 (08:04):
But I don't I don't know.
I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_02 (08:06):
A winds in the wind speed too, like, okay, um, have
y'all ever seen like on the topof a cellboat or something, they
have uh a little thing thatspins around in circles and it
looks like it has like spoonsalmost coming off little cups
off it.
That's a wind speed meter.
So that's how they typically doit.

SPEAKER_00 (08:23):
It's weird why they only use teaspoons on there
though.

SPEAKER_02 (08:26):
Well, because if it's tailspoons, it'll it's too
much air, so then you get afalse reading.
You don't want a false reading.
No.
That'd be terrible.
Horrible.

SPEAKER_05 (08:35):
That's cool that you got to see that though.
Like you gotta sneak a peek withyour goggles off.

SPEAKER_02 (08:40):
Yeah.
That's the worst part of thisthis type of flying is that I
can't see anything.

SPEAKER_05 (08:44):
Do the goggles make you motion sick?

SPEAKER_02 (08:46):
They don't me, but I could see how someone could.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (08:49):
Of course you're all you're you're in motion, plus
you're I don't know.
Yeah, I could see that.

SPEAKER_02 (08:56):
Well, and I mean like so leaving out of uh uh
OSU's airport, which is what Ifly out of, and heading to Fort
Wayne today, the way the windwas blowing, it was like
straight there.
So we like took off, we barelyturned the airplane a little bit
to head a little north uh west,and you just fly straight there
and then you land.
And so we had the initial climbout, we climbed to 4,000 feet,

(09:17):
flew straight there, and thenlanded.
So I mean, for a long, like for40 of those 46 minutes, you're
just flat and level and kind.

SPEAKER_03 (09:28):
I mean, like so are you doing the takeoff and
landing also with the goggleson?

SPEAKER_02 (09:33):
So no, no uh no, you have to have visibility to uh to
land.
You don't actually have to havevisibility to take off.
Okay.
Um, but you do have to be ableto see the runway to land.
Okay.
Um but I mean we're getting downto 200 feet on s depending on
the airport and whatinstrumentation they have.
Right.
Um, like radar and and all thatstuff.

(09:53):
Sometimes it's 200 feet is howclose you get to the runway,
which is like nothing.
I mean, that's like you're onit.
Right.
So it's crazy to see how closeyou can get to the runway before
you peel the goggles off?
So yes, that literally, uh soright now with the with the with
the safety pilot, I'll be flyingdown, and then at some point

(10:14):
they will say, All right, theclouds just cleared, you can
take your they're calledfoggles, so you can take your
foggles off.
So you take them off and thenyou do your landing.
Um But it's it's crazy because Imean if it is 200 feet, you're
taking your goggles off, and wejust landed.
Like it's that quick.

SPEAKER_05 (10:33):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (10:33):
Um I'm sure if it's any worse than that, you're not
gonna land.
You're either gonna go toanother airport or do a loop
until you can see close enoughto land.

SPEAKER_02 (10:43):
Exactly.
So they it's called uh uh likean approach, which makes sense.
You're approaching the runway.
Um so you follow that down, andthen when you get it's specified
by the FAA.
You don't get to make yourdecision on this.
The FAA actually has printed forevery single airport, every
single runway in the country.
There's thousands of them.
They tell you exactly based onthe instrumentation that's

(11:05):
there, how low you can get.
And they even have redundancies.
So they're like, if this, youknow, like say this instrument
will let you get down to 200feet, if that's out of service
and not working, well then wehave to back up to this
instrument, so now you can onlyget down to 500 feet.
If that's not working, this onewill let you get down to 600
feet.
And once you hit those those uhelevations, those altitudes, if
you can't see the runway, theygive you so much distance to go,

(11:28):
and then you go missed approach,which means you you didn't make
it, you couldn't see it.
And then they tell you, theyactually tell you exactly what
to do, where to go, and um whereto hold to be able to make your
next move.
Because again, when you're doingall that, I'm doing it, I'm
faking it, right?
But if I was really doing it inreal life, I'd be in clouds.
So if I couldn't see the runway,and I was like, all right, well,

(11:52):
obviously I'm gonna miss it, Igotta go somewhere else, I still
can't see.
So you do a set published missedapproach that way you don't
accidentally run into anotherairplane.
Wow.
Uh and then once you get to thatuh area where you're holding,
and we've all I think been in anairplane with a hold, right?
Jetliners do it all the time.
Sure.
You get somewhere and all of asudden you're doing donuts and
you're like, why are we justcircling?

(12:12):
A racetrack, right?
It's that's it.
Usually it's for weather or inthis case, if you couldn't make
the runway.
Uh because sometimes withweather, it's blowing through.
If they know that, hey, in fiveminutes, you'll be fine, you'll
be able to see the runway, youjust hold there and then go do
it again.
But if it's like, no, it's notgetting any better, they'll tell
you to go to a different runwayor a different airport.

(12:33):
So it's uh it's very interestingwhat I'm doing.
But again, the downside is it'sbeautiful.
We're having great pretty days,and I can't look outside the
airplane.

SPEAKER_05 (12:42):
That stinks.

SPEAKER_02 (12:43):
That's what's frustrating.
So that stinks.
And everybody at home and are onthe road listening, it's like,
we don't really care that you'relike but anyways, um I opened up
the back door for about an hour.

SPEAKER_05 (12:55):
Turn the heater off.

SPEAKER_04 (12:58):
And then still haven't turned my heat on.

SPEAKER_05 (13:01):
No.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (13:02):
Don did when we were no.
We're we're pushing it.
We're we're trying to.
I got a feeling this comingMonday that's gonna change.
Because we're yeah, the high'ssupposed to be like 38 with a
low in the 20s.
But but it's a dry cold.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (13:19):
Okay.
Keep telling yourself that.

SPEAKER_04 (13:22):
But yeah, we've been holding off as long as we can.

SPEAKER_05 (13:24):
Not us.

SPEAKER_04 (13:26):
Yeah, we caved pretty quick.

SPEAKER_01 (13:28):
Yeah, I got uh my own private heater in my office.
Yeah, and I've used it more thanonce.

SPEAKER_05 (13:33):
I feel like our leaves are holding on longer
this year.

SPEAKER_02 (13:36):
I I agree.
And I didn't know like around myhouse, I haven't noticed it too
much, but driving up and downRiverside, yeah, uh, which is a
road we take to get to the yardall the time, you can definitely
see because there's still likebright red and bright yellow
trees.

SPEAKER_06 (13:52):
Yeah, very pretty.

SPEAKER_02 (13:53):
I feel like by this time last year it was a barren
wasteland.

SPEAKER_05 (13:56):
Yeah, yeah.
I thought the last little bit ofwindstorm, what day was that?
Halloween?
I thought for sure they were allgonna come down, but it didn't
happen.
And I know our big tree in theback that it's it's holding on
for dear life with its leavestoo.
I have a feeling it's all justgonna go poof one morning.

SPEAKER_02 (14:16):
Yes.

SPEAKER_05 (14:17):
You know, take off.

SPEAKER_02 (14:19):
Well, leaves, I mean, like at some point we do
want the leaves to come off,right?
Because they hold ice.
And so if we don't if they don'tshed their leaves, then they
could potentially pull the treeor the limb down, right?
Sure, sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (14:31):
So ice is very heavy.

SPEAKER_02 (14:33):
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (14:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (14:36):
That's why I'm a fan of vanilla ice.
Maybe it's been a day.
Uh but we're here now, and we'rehere to talk about things that
impact others.

SPEAKER_05 (14:53):
All right.
What are you going with?

SPEAKER_02 (14:55):
I am going with Evans.
Where are we going?

SPEAKER_00 (15:00):
Uh Fort Wayne.

SPEAKER_03 (15:01):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (15:03):
I'm not flying with you to Fort Wayne though.
Why not?
I'm not flying with you to FortWayne.

SPEAKER_02 (15:11):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 (15:12):
Why not?

SPEAKER_02 (15:13):
I would too.

SPEAKER_06 (15:16):
I would hope if you're flying the plane that you
would go.

SPEAKER_00 (15:19):
Yeah.
I'll fly with you anywhere else,just not Fort Wayne.
Just not Fort Wayne.

SPEAKER_03 (15:23):
Have you ever been to Fort Wayne?

SPEAKER_02 (15:24):
I have been to Fort Wayne.
The the sprawling metropolis.
Have you been to the airport inFort Wayne?
I've I've been to both yes, I'vebeen to both airports, and now I
can officially say I've floatedto both airports.
Do they have a uh commercialairport?

SPEAKER_05 (15:40):
Thank you.
In a small international airportor whatever they call them.
Yes.
Regional?
A regional airport.

SPEAKER_02 (15:47):
Yes.
So Fort Wayne, I think it mighteven be international because I
think they do get like an AirCanada flight.

SPEAKER_05 (15:52):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (15:53):
I know, right?
They get to fly all the way toToronto.
It's about a 17-minute flightfrom Fort Wayne.
Yeah, they have that.
It's way south of town, though.
I think that airport's like 45minutes from actually being in
Fortnite.

SPEAKER_05 (16:05):
Are you sure it's not just Indianapolis at that
point?

SPEAKER_02 (16:08):
No, I don't think so.
No, that's too far.
Um, but this one's cool.
It's up kind of near where uhyour bolt used to be.
Yeah.
It's up by the little b thing,it's adorable.

SPEAKER_00 (16:20):
Yeah, Fort Wayne International Airport lies eight
miles southwest of Fort Wayne.
Yeah.
Allen County, Indiana.

SPEAKER_02 (16:28):
The problem is there's no quick way to get
there to from Fort Wayne.
Like if you're in downtown FortWayne and you have to get to the
airport, it's all like little 30mile an hour roads together.

SPEAKER_05 (16:41):
It feels like it feels like a long drive.

SPEAKER_02 (16:43):
It feels like a long drive, or you have to get to the
interstate, which from downtownto the interstate is a drive.
It's a drive.
They did not put their downtownanywhere near their interstate,
or vice versa.

SPEAKER_05 (16:54):
Makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 (16:55):
So yeah, it's uh it's strange.
It's adorable.
I've gotten so many rental carsthere.

SPEAKER_04 (17:00):
That's what I was about to say.
There's been multiple timeswe've driven in there with the
truck because it's one of thosethat doesn't have low clearances
or anything.
So you can pull it right up.
Don can hop out, run in, grab arental car, and we're good for
the weekend.

SPEAKER_02 (17:12):
Oh yeah, like they don't even have a gate on the
rental car like thing.
You just walk across the road towhat looks like a parking lot,
yeah, and uh randomly pick a carand just drive off.

SPEAKER_00 (17:22):
We did that in Peoria, I think, too.

SPEAKER_05 (17:24):
Was it Peoria?
I was just gonna say we did itsomewhere.

SPEAKER_00 (17:27):
We weren't in the van, we were in the RV, and we
pulled around to the to thedepartures slash arrivals gate
because it's just one littlething, you know.
She went inside and I met her inthe parking lot.
We grabbed a car and left.
And left the RV there.
I don't even know why back theRV in that spot.
I don't even know why she wentinside.
The keys were in the car.
Yeah, it's like why even bother?
Just go get a car and we'll haveit back in a couple days.

(17:49):
They don't even know.

SPEAKER_05 (17:50):
I could see Peoria being a place where you could
take a straight truck, though.

SPEAKER_00 (17:53):
Yeah, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_05 (17:54):
I'm sure thinking back now.

SPEAKER_00 (17:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (17:57):
I want to say Arkansas was almost the same
way.
Uh Fayetteville, you know, homeof Walmart.

SPEAKER_00 (18:04):
Oh, they had the parking garage there.
Well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 (18:06):
Yeah, I don't know either.
It's been a while.

SPEAKER_02 (18:08):
Columbus is not.
Columbus is 12 foot 10 inches,something like that.
So can't bring our trucks there.
You can get close.

SPEAKER_00 (18:15):
Well, you used to have the turnout by the
McDonald's right by the carcenter.

SPEAKER_05 (18:18):
I think you could have done it.

SPEAKER_00 (18:19):
That McDonald's is gone and the turnout thing is
gone too.

SPEAKER_02 (18:21):
I just thought about that.
The rental car center there now.
So that actually might beeasier.
You'd have to throw your Fourierflashers on and stop in the
middle of the road, but youcould, and someone could jump
out because you're right thereat the rental car center.

SPEAKER_00 (18:34):
Oh, you can't?
No.
You have to move around theairport, I think.
When when the McDonald's wasthere, before they started
redoing redoing the report forthe terminal, you had the left
turn.
Yeah, I don't think it's thereanymore.

unknown (18:43):
Dang.

SPEAKER_02 (18:44):
Dang.
That terminal's coming alongfast too.
It is.
That's impressive what they cando with no money.
I know uh Memphis is like that.
Memphis you can't do.
I have had to walk, had Ericdrop me off.

SPEAKER_05 (18:55):
As close as you can get.

SPEAKER_02 (18:56):
As close as you can get, which is um what's the
Airways Boulevard or somethinglike that.
And then I've walked down to uhthe rental car facility, and
it's a hike.

SPEAKER_04 (19:06):
We did that in Louisville.
I dropped Don off and bless hisheart.
He calls me like 10 minuteslater.
He got picked up by security.
And they're like, you can't bewalking through the airport.
Like they were, they they werenot happy.
Well, at all.

SPEAKER_02 (19:23):
It was when he ran across the runway.
They're like, that's an issue.
You can't be running across.
Yeah.
Did you get permission fromtower?
You know?

SPEAKER_04 (19:31):
They were not happy with him.

SPEAKER_02 (19:32):
Did they at least drop him off like at the rental
corporation?

SPEAKER_04 (19:34):
Uh no, they brought him back to the truck.
Oh, we had to get an Uber andride in and lose.

SPEAKER_05 (19:40):
That's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 (19:41):
They would not let him continue on.
They were not happy.

SPEAKER_05 (19:44):
I think we've done that somewhere else.
We do that in Savannah.

SPEAKER_00 (19:47):
We did it in Savannah where I got as close as
I could and you had to walk outbecause you you took the car in.
We got an Uber to the airport, Ithink.

SPEAKER_05 (19:54):
I want to say though that we got as close as we felt
we could get.

SPEAKER_00 (19:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (19:58):
And then we called an Uber from where we were.
It was like for the last 500feet, but like we didn't want to
risk that walking.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (20:06):
So we did call an Uber and and did a little
Columbus is very walkable, Ifeel like.
If you actually got toColumbus's airport, I feel like
all that you could walk prettyeasily.
But I have been to like the theMemphis one I'm thinking of,
because we've actually done thata few times with FedEx and ES
and everybody being there.

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But that, I mean, you're walkingon a pretty steep grass berm and
it's like it's doesn't feelsafe.

SPEAKER_05 (20:33):
We rented a couple times from one in Jacksonville,
Florida.
So there's the loves inJacksonville.
It's actually north ofJacksonville.
Um and if you take their likelittle back road turnpike kind
of thing, do you remember that?
That's where we got the redflashy car.
And um, but it was a tuck androll kind of place.
Like Vince would would could doa loop around the building.

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But there was a but he wouldlike come to the stop at a stop
sign and then I would like therewas a closed restaurant next
door.

SPEAKER_00 (21:03):
That's what it was.

SPEAKER_05 (21:08):
Yeah.
But we've done a couple ofthose.
One in Dallas, I think, was thesame thing.
There was like a larger parkinglot, maybe three blocks down.
And he'd he'd pull in there andthen he'd wait until I actually
went and got the car and made agood transaction, and then it
was like, okay, we'll meet youat the truck stop.

SPEAKER_02 (21:26):
Was that Love Field or DFW?

SPEAKER_05 (21:29):
It might have been Fort Wayne.
No, no, this was a uh one of thestandalones.
It wasn't an airport.
Oh, okay, okay.
So it was a standalone.
We usually typically try to dothat.

SPEAKER_07 (21:40):
Because typically you could get a better deal.

SPEAKER_05 (21:42):
That plus you can get a truck somewhere.
Or again, you could do a looparound the block, and again,
when you come to a stop sign,somebody can hop out and go get
the rental car.
Yeah.
Um and try instead of trying tonavigate.
But those were our tips andtricks.
I don't know.
What are y'all doing nowadaysout there, tips and tricks?

SPEAKER_02 (22:01):
I think we had the we had the glory days because we
had the uh we were drivingduring the$9.99 a day uh
enterprise deal.
Oh yeah.
So you could rent a car for$10 aday.
You only got 200 miles per day.

SPEAKER_05 (22:15):
Which is nothing.
Which is not a lot, but but ifyou're never gonna use that
much, is what I mean.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (22:20):
I was gonna say we get a three-day rental, pick it
up Friday, Saturday, Sunday,that's 600 miles.
Like, where am I going 600miles?
Right.
You know?
Um, and then for$20 a day, itwas unlimited.
So if we did know, like, okay,well, I think in Vegas, it's
like, all right, we're gonnahead out to wherever and see
this canyon, and then we'regonna go over Hoover Dam, and
then we're gonna do this, andit's like, uh, let's opt for the

(22:41):
unlimited miles to make surewe're fine.
But no, it was um the the$10 daydeal.
That was great.
I love that, and it's that'sbeen gone for pretty much COVID.
I think COVID killed that deal.

SPEAKER_05 (22:53):
We started getting the let us choose your vehicle
and it'll be yeah, manager'schoice, it'll be cheaper.
And I told Vince, I'm like, it'scheaper.
Who cares what it is at thispoint?

SPEAKER_00 (23:06):
It was a it was a name your own price kind of
thing.

SPEAKER_05 (23:09):
Tell us what that was that was a different
company.

SPEAKER_00 (23:11):
It was a different company, okay.

SPEAKER_05 (23:12):
That was with the red car where we got the great
deal.
But eventually Enterprise wasmanager's choice.

SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
We got a Mini Cooper, we got it wasn't just it
was a Mini Cooper Clubman, so alittle bigger.
Yeah.
It's a nice little car.

SPEAKER_05 (23:25):
Yeah, for the cheapest of the prices, the Jeep
and and Lexington.

SPEAKER_00 (23:29):
Uh and the little fancy red car stole it was a
convertible Mustang.

SPEAKER_05 (23:33):
That was that was the choose your own price.

SPEAKER_00 (23:36):
Yeah, they offered a price, and the guy was like,
okay.

SPEAKER_02 (23:39):
I like the uh I I we used to do those, anything like
that to get save a deal.
Now I've gotten all bougie, so Ilike I like renting and knowing
what I'm gonna get.
But I have I've showed up manytimes and I like I paid for a
Nissan Versa, and that's what Iwant.
And they're like, oh, theVersa's gonna be a little while,
and I'm like, I'll takeanything.
Like, what what do you got?

SPEAKER_05 (23:57):
They're like, Do you want an expedition?

SPEAKER_02 (23:59):
Yeah, and like you know, I'll make you a Yukon XL.
We go to San Francisco, that'sthe rice rooni treat.
Yes, and uh we were parkedoutside of Gilroy, I think, over
the hill.
There's a dam, and then there'sa big giant uh petro.

SPEAKER_07 (24:14):
Yep.

SPEAKER_02 (24:14):
And we're parked there, and we're like, hey,
let's go in and and go in thecity.
Still a couple hours away fromSan Francisco at that point, but
we're like, we have a long time,let's go.
So we drove into the town on theother side of the interstate, so
we're getting further away fromthe five.

SPEAKER_00 (24:29):
Okay.
Over to Gilroy, which is on theother side of 138.

SPEAKER_02 (24:34):
So we were on, so we're at the Petro.

SPEAKER_00 (24:35):
Uh in Los Banos, in five.

SPEAKER_02 (24:38):
Yeah, and then across the interstate is the
town part of it.

SPEAKER_00 (24:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (24:42):
And so they had an enterprise there, got their
rental car, bought the truckback to Petro, jumped it.
But my point is, we ordered theEconomy Special because we're
driving into San Francisco.
Sure.
I want a small car.
Like if I'm going to New YorkCity, I want a small car.
And so we go to get that, andthey give us a Honda Hyundai,

(25:03):
largest car they make.
Full size.
It was like driving a grandmarquee, huge car.
And I'm like, but I wanted asmall.
They're like, that's all wehave.
I mean, we can wait here if youwant and see if another one
shows up.
And I'm like, no, I'm not doingthat.
So we take this giantLincoln-sized car, you know,
town car into San Francisco,which the whole trip over there

(25:25):
is great.
Oh, it's so comfortable.
As soon as we get in the city,it's like, oof, this is a lot.
Going down Lombard Street.
Oh my gosh, you should have seenthe faces.
They were like, that car doesnot belong here.

SPEAKER_07 (25:38):
Um that yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (25:40):
So sometimes it, you know, that bites you a little
bit.
Like, but yeah, it was uh, butwe have I've many times been
like they've we don't have whatyou want, and it's like
whatever.
Yeah.
One time, Eric, didn't you get a15-passenger van once out of San
Francisco out of Sacramento?

SPEAKER_01 (25:57):
Um I was up in Oregon, and I had to get a
vehicle to go back to Las Vegas.
Yes.
Wow.
All they had was a 15-passengervan.
So I'm driving a 15-passen vanthe West Coast.
And that was a it was a one-wayrental, too.

SPEAKER_06 (26:16):
But there were probably people that you could
have picked up along the way.
Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_02 (26:21):
And I had to drive back to Columbus because I was
picking up another truck.
So we'd been driving together,and then we uh had enough of
each other.
No, the truck broke down.
Um, and and we had to go hereand he was going there, and uh
yeah, it was I think we took offfrom Spokane.
Was Spokane?
Might have been.

SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
Might have been.
And then when we got down tolike the gorge, you had to take
the gorge going east, and I keptgoing south.

SPEAKER_02 (26:47):
All I remember is It was more than I needed.
It was excessive for you.
And I think I did get an IsonVersa.
And driving back, just notrealizing like how far
Washington is from Columbus.

SPEAKER_00 (27:00):
Speed of a drive.

SPEAKER_02 (27:01):
Oh, yeah, because I I'm thinking to myself, like,
uh, you know, I'll get a I'llget uh one hotel stay.
No, no.
Three hotels.

SPEAKER_05 (27:10):
With one person driving?

SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
I know, yeah, and out there, even the 80-mile-an
hour speed limits don't help.
It's still it's just that'swhere I got picture evidence
that onans are not the best.

SPEAKER_02 (27:20):
Oh yeah, well, that's you know, we're not we're
not trying to start controversyhere.
Uh so, anyways, I'd heard thatthe uh that we have an emergency
room coming.
Emergency room, emergency rulecoming for uh non-domiciled uh
uh CDL holders, and I I I don'tknow what this means.
So I was reading an article theother day because I think we've

(27:42):
already talked about this wholeuh uh the uh non-domiciled CDL
holders, and it's kind of beensomething we've been tracking as
we go.
It started out with the Englishlanguage proficiency, and then
it kind of developed into thisnon-domiciled uh US truck driver
CDL holders.
And I was reading an article theother day that said uh the USPS,

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that's the United States PostService, these are uh the mail,
they carry the mail, right?
They uh not UPS, not to beconfused with uh what can brown
do for you.
Um they uh banned, I believe itwas in when was it?
Yeah, it was a while back.

(28:25):
Um they banned, it says a fewweeks ago, whatever that means.
Uh they banned um non-domiciledCDL holders from uh working for
them.
So what they told their uhwarehouses and all their places
to do was when a uh mail carrieror one of these big trucks shows
up with uh the mail, if they'rea non-domiciled CDL holder, do

(28:49):
not unload them.
I believe correct, Drake?

SPEAKER_00 (28:51):
That's well, it was not to load them.

SPEAKER_02 (28:52):
Oh, not to load them, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 (28:54):
Not to load them.

SPEAKER_02 (28:54):
So uh they weren't allowed to load the trailers and
and would send them away orwhatever.
And immediately, immediatelythey had widespread
cancellations, uh, the mail set,they filled up their warehouses
immediately.
It was bad.
And even the US Post Service waslike, we didn't realize how many

(29:17):
they had how many they had.

SPEAKER_00 (29:18):
Yes.
Um now these weren't USPSemployees, correct.
These were contractors, yes, orcompanies that USPS contracts
with, they weren't allowingtheir drivers that were
non-domicidal to tall theirloads.

SPEAKER_02 (29:33):
And so what USPS does, the the the person that
comes to your um house anddelivers your mail, if they're
in the AM General UPS USPS,USPS, thank you, uh vehicle, the
the classic mail truck, um thenthey are a US Postal Service
employee.
They work for the federalgovernment.
Um there's a bunch of othervehicles they're using now as

(29:56):
well.
Um and those people that for themost Most part that deliver mail
to your house if you are in ametropolitan area are post
office employees.
Right.
If you go to um if you're likeout rural areas, they will
contract with people to haul themail.
And so that's when you seepeople showing up like in Dodge

(30:17):
caravans or um in trail.
Yeah, I've seen some people eventhey have the uh a regular Jeep.
Yeah.
And it's kind of like athrowback to the 80s when they
had the mail jeeps.
Right.
Um, that they have those thatthey're delivering mail in.
Or I we knew one guy out inMissouri, he was doing it in a
Ford Taurus.
And he removed takes he removedhis seats, he put in

(30:40):
professional brakes, like theyhad to he stripped his car down
and and like literally put in ahigh performance braking system
because we think about it as amail carrier, you're on your
brakes all day long.
All day long.
That is the part that getsabused the most on those
vehicles.
Um, so those people arecontractors, so they are hauling
the mail uh for uh localdelivery, but they also to get

(31:04):
their deliveries done uh acrossstate lines.
So if you are mailing somethingthat's not staying in your
hometown, um those primarily arecontractors.
Yes.
So most of your mail, if it'snot staying in your local area,
is getting put on an 18-wheelerand shipped across state lines
or to warehouse to warehouse orwhat have you.

(31:25):
Uh that's all being done bycontractors.
Yes.
And um this is the people thatthey are primarily dealing with,
right?
That the issues happening with,it sounds like right.

SPEAKER_00 (31:36):
So what they were doing is they they implemented a
policy where contractorscouldn't use non-dom drivers
with non-domicile CDLs.
Now, this policy didn't sayanything about immigration or
anything.
It was strictly if you were hada non-domicile CDL, meaning you
got your CDL in a state that youdidn't live in, that's a

(31:59):
non-domicile CDL.
Yes.
You could not deliver USPSfreight from one USPS terminal
to another.

SPEAKER_05 (32:08):
How do they know?
I'm sorry, but how do we know?

SPEAKER_00 (32:10):
I don't know how they don't know.
Um because you're I guessbecause maybe your CDL has your
out-of-state address on it.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 (32:17):
I actually think if, and I could be wrong, but if I'm
not mistaken, I do think uh itactually says non-domiciled on
the actual CDL.
Interesting.
Okay.
I believe it does because we'vehad situations we don't
currently, but we have hadsituations in the past where
people are in America on a visa,and so they have they can

(32:37):
legally have a CDL and they candrive for us, and they do have a
CDL that is issued by a state,and it's non-domiciled because
they're not here permanently.
Sure.
Right.
So we've seen that it's not beenillegal, right?
And the USPS isn't even sayingwe're saying no because of uh
legal or illegal, it's becauseof abuses that have been

(33:00):
happening from that.
Sure.
So they took kind of what wasintended to be a really good
thing.
I think I think it was like2017, this even became an
option.

SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Uh the non-domicide CDL did in 2017, yeah.
So there there is a possibilitywhere you can be a U.S.
citizen and have a non-domicideCEO CDL.
Uh if you live in California,let's say, yes, and you go to
school with Prime, yes, basedout of Missouri, and Prime
School is in Missouri, you canget your license in Missouri
being a California residence.

(33:29):
Your CDL.
So that that's another uh wayyou can have a non-domical CDO.

SPEAKER_02 (33:34):
Very common.
You see that all the time withlike Swift and Knight and any of
those training schools.
Uh I mean Swift has locationsall across America, but they
don't have them in every state.
Right.
So yeah, that's a common thing.
Because they also have thetesters.

SPEAKER_00 (33:47):
Yes, they have the testers as well.

SPEAKER_02 (33:49):
And the tester can only do the test for his state.
Or his state.
Or for her state.
And so that's kind of how thathappens.

SPEAKER_05 (33:55):
Um so what happened with all this mail?
I feel like that's a wholesleuthy mystery in itself.

SPEAKER_00 (34:01):
So Well, so the well just did get delivered.
Because you could they couldn'tload a truck.
It sat in that warehouse untilthey could get a truck to load
it that had had a domiciled uhCDL holder.

SPEAKER_02 (34:13):
But was there like weeks worth of uh so it doesn't
uh it doesn't say that, buthere's what's interesting.
Um USPS had planned to startthat ban uh in January 1st.
So they they'd already discussedit a year ago, and they said,
all right, January 1st, we'regoing to do this, right?
And they kept getting so muchpushback from their their

(34:36):
suppliers, from the the carriersthat are hauling their mail,
that they delayed it, delayedit, delayed it, and they delayed
it, and they finally rolled itout.
And so they thought, hey, thisis gonna be fine, but Pete I'm
gonna mess this up, wroteSoleus.

SPEAKER_00 (34:52):
Uh, who is I need to back you up a little bit.
Go ahead.
So they had they they planned adelayed ban until January 1st.
So after the the Yes.
When they said, okay, we'rewe're gonna initial immediately
stop this and you can do it.
Then they plan to delay the banuntil January 1st of 2026.

(35:13):
Oh that's the way I'm readingthis.

SPEAKER_02 (35:15):
Okay, you might be right.
I I might have missed that.
Okay, I follow what you'resaying.
I follow what you're saying.
Okay, so uh what you're askingwhat happened to backed up mail.
Yes.
They they actually were prettyquick to respond.
Um so I don't think there wasthat much backed up mail from
what I can understand.
Uh, so we're going back to uhPete uh who is the USPS uh

(35:37):
senior VP of logistics.
He uh talked to all thesuppliers on a call and said,
quote, we did not understand themagnitude of how many people
were using non-domicile CDLs.
And quite honestly, the amountof omens was astronomical.
And right now I am not willingto impact service that bad.

(35:57):
He then said, We are uhannouncing what we're announcing
as of right now is you can goback to using non-domiciled CDL
holders.
And then and then that's okay,that's when they planned the
delay until January 1st.
Now I follow what you're saying.
Okay, okay.
Uh however, that's now Ibelieve, even though it was what

(36:21):
their initial plan was, that'snot what they're following
because those suppliers pushedback and said, uh no, I can't,
that's not gonna work.

SPEAKER_03 (36:29):
I don't think that's what they said.

SPEAKER_02 (36:30):
I think that our good friend Sean P.
Duffy has implemented anemergency interim rule on
non-domicid commercial driver'slicense.
Am I misreading that?

SPEAKER_05 (36:46):
They took their people out, but then they
realized the magnitude of theirerrors.
So then they said, let's havethese people anyway.
Yes.
But then the carriers that hadhired these people said, No, you
did the dirty deed already, sowe're gonna still stick it to
you.

SPEAKER_00 (37:01):
No, no, no, no.
The carriers said, Hey, uh thethe post office said we're
missing too much, too manythings.
We're we're we're not gettingfreight picked up.
So we're gonna take a look youback, yes.
With the idea that they weregonna then, okay, so we're we're
let's say October 1st, theysaid, Oh, we're reversing our
policy, bring on your drivers,non-domicile, domicile, we don't

(37:22):
care.
Bring them on, we gotta get thisthis mail delivered.
We're gonna implement thisthough on January 1st.
We will no longer allownon-domicile CDL drivers to haul
our freight.

SPEAKER_05 (37:33):
So they'll be better prepared, they think.

SPEAKER_00 (37:35):
Yes, and the suppliers were like, we can't do
that.
We still can't do that byJanuary.
We still can't do that byJanuary 1st.
We can't hire enough drivers forthis.
Oh, yeah.
And the USPS said, okay, well,we're gonna do this.
We don't know when yet.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (37:48):
I see.
So the big thing So everybody'son the same page.

SPEAKER_02 (37:51):
Yes.
Uh, I don't think they like it.
So, yes, so because so as youmay have noticed in the news,
mail carriers are falling leftand right.
It's a it the so the mail uhruns, USPS absolutely runs on
the lowest bidwinds.
So um the lane between uhColumbus, Ohio, and Indianapolis

(38:15):
opens up.
And they say, hey, we have 10trucks worth of mail that goes
between these two every day.
Who wants to do it?
Vince says, I'll do it for$100,000 a month.
I don't know if that reallycomes out to, but let's just say
$100,000 a month.
And I say, I'll do it for$90,000a month.

(38:37):
Eric over there has a fleet ofnon-domiciled workers who will
work for pennies because theyare living in the trucks,
they're not, don't have a hometo support, yada yada yada.
Whatever reason, he can do itvery cheap.
Um, he says, I'll do it for$75,000.

(38:59):
So he undercuts it, he gets thehe gets the contract.
What you've seen lately withmail carriers going out of
business is that the mailrequires you to negotiate those
prices, including fuel.
You're you there's no plus afuel surcharge.
So a lot of mail carriers didexactly what we just talked
about, but Eric said, and fuelright now is three dollars and

(39:20):
eighty six cents a gallon.
So he's fine when fuel's thatprice are lower.
Even he buffered a little bit,so if fuel goes to$4 a gallon,
he's cool.
Well, fuel went to$4.20,$4.30 agallon.
Now all of a sudden, he can'tpay his employees and covers
fuel bill and pay all the notesof the trucks.

(39:40):
And so after so long, the cashis gone, the company goes out of
business.
That's what's happened with mailcarers all over America, is when
fuel is high, they die.
They just can't make any money.
And then when fuel is low, theymake really good money.
But the USPS, because they'resaying lowest bid wins, they are
getting really what some peoplecall bottom feeders.

(40:02):
Just the people that are suregetting, they're doing it as
cheaply as they can.
So as cheaply as they can meansif you're a non-domiciled CDL
holder, even if you're a uhnon-domiciled CD holder that is
uh a US citizen, you probablyare living in the truck.
You're probably not going home.
And so they take advantage ofthat, right?

(40:24):
And so it's it's it's really nota good thing.
These people are uh some peopleare I'm sure I'm running great,
honest, good companies.
I I don't want to say hashtageverybody, but it does create an
environment that is very easyfor predators to pray.
Sure.
And so that's kind of been theproblem.
And that really is the problemwith the entire non-domincial

(40:47):
CDL holders, is you can workwith people who are um in
various life situations andsometimes are not in the best of
life situations, right?
Be it home life domestically inAmerica or be it that you're
working in America under a visa.
And sometimes you were workingunder visa and that visa's

(41:10):
expired, but they don't care,they'll just keep working you.
So that does create a really badsituation, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (41:19):
And that's a part of why they came up with the
emergency rule, which leads intothe next article um about
capacity.
You know, the emergency rule wasput in into place because people
were taking advantage of notloopholes, but but just failures
of the non-domicile C DL CDLsystem, yes, where someone could

(41:41):
come in to the country legally,get a non-domicile CDL legally,
but their their visa expires ina year, but their CDL is good
for four.
Or six in some cases.
Or yeah, or longer.
So now after that year and theirvisas expired, well, their CDL

(42:03):
is still valid, and that's whatthey've been running on, and
that's been the big big issue,is those types of things where
they're not lining up in theimmigration cases, the the exp
expiration of the visa does notline up with the CDL.
So gyros have been able tocontinue working even though
they're not necessarily legalresidents in the country, but

(42:26):
they have the CDL that's stillgood.
And there there's there haven'tbeen checks and balances there.
Yes.
So uh on the 29th of September,the Department of Transportation
announced an emergency interimfinal rule to restrict
non-domicile CDL licenses.
CDLs, excuse me.
This action aims to address thewidespread abuse in issuing

(42:48):
these licenses to immigrants,which has caused substantial
disruptions in truck and supplychain industries.
The findings from an audit thatwas done by DOT revealed that at
least 200 such licenses havebeen issued nationwide.
200,000.
200,000, excuse me.
Yeah.
Um with high concentrations incertain states.
California emerged as asignificant problem area where

(43:10):
the audit found that over 25% ofnon-domicide CDLs were granted
improperly.
That's quite a bit.
It is.
That's a lot of people that areon the road um with an improper
license.

SPEAKER_02 (43:21):
And it gets it gets blurry because as a state, they
can um give whoever they want alicense based on whatever their
criteria is.
Sure.
But then they cross interstatelines, and then it's like, well,
now you're not you're not uh,you know, an approved driver in
Arizona because you don't meetthe criteria, but the states

(43:42):
have gen have normally havereciproc reciprocity
reciprocity, so they are able todo that.
So, you know, in a lot of cases,like maybe you're a 15-year-old
uh driver in a car, like in yourstate it's it's legal, and in my
state it's not.
If you drive over and you havethe chaperone or whatever, like

(44:02):
you're supposed to have, thenthey will generally allow it.
It's fine.
Um, and that's kind of what'sbeen happening here is that it's
been allowed.
What they're finding is that uhother people have learned, hey,
these are the states that arevery friendly to this, and let's
really use them.
And states like California inparticular are very lax when it

(44:23):
comes to the English proficiencyrule.
Um, you don't necessarily haveto speak English to get a CDL
there.
Right.
Um, so even though it's arequirement federally, you can
locally get it and it's fine.
Um and I mean there's a wholething that goes into CDL mills
have have popped up in thesestates, and they are making it
super easy for people to getCDLs that are not qualified.

SPEAKER_05 (44:44):
Wow.

SPEAKER_02 (44:44):
And again, that's not everybody.
Sure.
There are some people that gothrough these CDM mills that are
perfectly fine, great CDLdrivers.
Um, they're looking to crackdown on the CDL mills as well.

SPEAKER_00 (44:55):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 (44:55):
Is it like a turbine though, or is it really a mill?

SPEAKER_00 (44:58):
It's oh, it's a it's a mill.
Okay, yeah.
It's a mill.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So this is an article in freightwaves.
Uh, our friend, uh friend of thepodcast, X Dire Boogie.
Yes, did a video on this.
If you want more information, gocheck out Boogie's uh video on
um the tightening, the possibletightening of capacity because

(45:20):
of the non-domicile CDLs, thenew rules on non-domicile CDLs.

SPEAKER_05 (45:24):
It was a great article.
He did a good job.

SPEAKER_00 (45:26):
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (45:26):
It's a good video.
Well, and then there's so manythings right now going on with
capacity.
So I know we are in what feelslike the never-ending freight
recession of I think in 2023 orfour, I said, hey, this thing's
coming, but it's not gonna be arecession.
It's just a softening of themarket, and I have never been
more proven wrong in all of mylife.

(45:47):
Um, it just feels like this likeis it ever gonna end, right?
So two things it's it's supplyand demand, right?
So you can do two things.
You can either boost theeconomy, which is what we saw in
2022, 2021, 2022, right, whenthe economy went crazy, and so
the uh demand was so high forstuff that uh we were able to

(46:11):
really get record um rates permile and and and and it was a
boom for trekking, like it'snever existed before, it will
never probably exist again.
That was insane.
If you got in during that timeand you're just waiting for that
to happen again, you may go yourwhole life and never see it.
Yeah, that was a crazy bloop.
But uh what we're in so so youcan have that by creating crazy

(46:33):
supply.
What happened is so many peoplegot in the business during that
time because they wanted a pieceof that pie, that now we have
crazy.
I'm sorry, that was crazydemand.
It was so many people got in thebusiness that now we have crazy
supply.
There's way too many companies,way too many people bought
trucks.
Daimler, which owns FreightlinerWestern Star, Volvo Trucks,
which owns Volvo and Mac, uh,Pac Carr, which is Peter Built

(46:56):
and Kenworth, they were makingas many trucks as they possibly
could.
They couldn't sell, like if youwanted a truck, you had to wait
in line to get one.
It was craziness because they'reselling so many trucks.
So there's so many trucks, somany operators, so many drivers
out there on the market thatthat it just pushed rates to the
floor because now a shipperdoesn't have to pay you in your

(47:17):
high rate, they can just go tothe next person and get a lower
rate.
And so they're saying two thingsare gonna happen that that that
we're gonna see over the nextyear.
This is a long time out, this isyear 18 months, that is gonna
kind of help us out, regardlessif the economy picks up or not.
Because we're taking that out ofthe picture because the economy

(47:39):
could pick up and freight couldpick up naturally, sure.
But let's ignore that aspect fora second.
You've got this Englishproficiency standard that's come
out, that's weeding out tons ofdrivers.
I think the last thing I saw was25,000 drivers, something like
that.
Yep, and then you've got thenon-domicile CDL emergency rule,

(48:02):
which that's getting rid of alot of drivers.
Uh now, granted, some of thosedrivers will just relocate and
then get a domiciled CDL andthey'll be fine, but it's gonna
push a good number of them outof the business.
Like all the ones that are doingit unethically, it's gonna push
them out.
Yes.
And then you've also got asituation where trucks haven't
been built over the past year,two years, the truck purchases,

(48:26):
the amount of trucks that arebeing built are way, way down.
So, like uh PAC car, so again,Kenworth Peter built, they are
now running, you know, a morningand afternoon shift.
They're not running an overnightshift.
Same with Freightliner.
Um, they've laid off quite a fewpeople, so has Volvo and Mac
trucks.
They are literally just notbuilding many trucks at all.

(48:46):
If you look at your majorly hugecarriers, your Covenants, your
your Swift, your Knight, your umWarner, your JB Hunt, they're
not buying trucks.
They're literally sitting backgoing, like, we're gonna see
what happens.
Yeah.
And a lot of their used trucksgo into the market that feed on
the secondary on the on allthis.
So they're holding on to thosetrucks, they're not selling

(49:07):
them.
And so you do have literallyjust old equipment that's aging
out, and there's nothingreplacing it.
So you've got an equipment sideof it as well that's
disappearing.
So now you've got this thingwhere we're losing uh drivers
for three different reasons, andnow we don't have the trucks we
had before.
And so that's why they'resaying, hey, it's gonna get it,

(49:27):
there's gonna be this uprising,this this things are getting
better, not necessarily becausethe economy's growing, right,
but because the ability to movethe freight is decreasing, and
as the ability decreases, thecost per mile goes up.
The what it costs a shipper goesup, what it cost a freight
broker goes up, because nowyou're more in demand than you

(49:50):
ever have been.
So it's it's good news.
Um, and there's no way to do it,fix it quickly.
It's not like tomorrow, youknow, uh Freightliner can pop
out 10,000 trucks.
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (50:01):
It takes time to ramp back up.

SPEAKER_02 (50:03):
It takes time to ramp back up.
They got to hire all thoseemployees back, they gotta go
through and teach people, theygotta get their supply chains
because you know, if theyspeculate this year we're
buying, we're building, I don'tknow, 20,000 trucks.
Right.
They're only buying 40,000headlights.
You know what I mean?
Like, and so they've they'vetold their suppliers only build
us 40,000 headlights.
Right.
20,000 left, 20,000 right.

(50:25):
And so if now they're like, ohmy gosh, there's so much demand,
we need we could build 30 or40,000 trucks, their suppliers
can't keep up.
They haven't ordered enoughaluminum and they haven't
ordered enough steel becausethey're ordering all that stuff
a year in advance.
They're not ordering it month bymonth.
I mean, there's some room thereobviously for a little bit of
growth, but not substantially.
So I think that's the that's thesilver lining, and that's kind

(50:47):
of what the article was going towas especially with this
non-domiciled CDL emergencyrule, that the the capacity is
diminishing quite a bit, andthat is uh hugely good for us.
So one one thing that I like asexpediting specifically that we
see uh is you know the the thethe the the 20,000 pound monkey

(51:14):
in the room that we don't talkabout, or elephant in the room
or gorilla in the room, whateveryou're gonna call it, is that um
there are a lot of companiesthat have bought these used
Pinski trucks.
We've all seen them, 24-footPinski trucks, and they will
either build a sleeper into theback of the truck, so literally
put a little partition up,they'll put a uh carve a hole in

(51:36):
the back of the sleeper, theback of the truck, and that will
be the sleepers.
They actually crawl into theinto what used to be the cargo
box, and there's a wall there,so they don't they're not with
the cargo, but they have theirown sleeper, or um, there's a
company that puts those bigfiberglass dome-looking things
over the cabs, and they canclimb in the cabin sleep.

(51:57):
That is primarily, notcompletely.
So if you're listening, you'regoing, hey, I'm doing that.
I'm not talking about everybody,but that is a huge push on rates
that are pushing rates down, isthat has made the ability to get
into a truck and get toexpediting easy, very easy.
So companies are now doing that.
Most of them are not followingELD uh compliance, and so a lot

(52:23):
of them are um either usingAOBRs or they're using ELDs.
You you keep seeing online thatELDs news article comes out
every like every couple months.
This these LDs are no longerallowed on the market, right?
Yeah, so it's just new companiesputting ELDs out that can be
edited.
That's the big issue, is theycan be edited because you like
the companies we use, you can'tedit them.
Uh they can be edited, sothey're going through and

(52:45):
they're changing drive time.
It's the modern day electronicversion of running with three
log books.
You remember that, Jerry?
Um and so um so that's you knowkilling us.
They're buying cheap trucks,they are having solo drivers
operate uh as teams, and they'refixing their logs in the

(53:05):
backside to make it work.
Well, most of us say, well, whowould go do that?
That's crazy.
I'm not gonna go do that.
But if you have come to Americaand you have uh legally gotten
here and you've gone to a CDLschool, and it your cost of
living is not the same as it isfor the average American, you

(53:26):
can take less money, and that'sjust driving those rates down,
down, down.
So there's I the CDL drivers, alot of them are victims.
They're not the enemy here.
It's these companies that arestarting that are preying on
these people.
That's the problem.
And so going after thosecompanies is difficult, killing

(53:47):
their suppliers by making it towhere you can't work with these
people anymore, to have officerschecking can you speak English
or not, to have um shippers arenow gonna be, they said recently
uh just came out a couple daysago that they're gonna start
holding shippers responsible.
So if you as a shipper are usingsomeone who can't speak English

(54:07):
or you're using someone who umis a non-resident CDO holder
with limitations, becausethere's some big asterisks with
that one right now, um, then wewill uh hold you accountable for
it as well.
So all of that is kind ofcrushing those companies that
are taking advantage of people.
So I think it's a good thing.

(54:28):
I do like I I know there'sproblems, it's not nothing
that's gonna be simple,nothing's gonna be easy, right?
But it it it's a major crackdownon some on some really bad fraud
that's been plaguing theindustry and some some some bad
business practices, and it'sonly going to help everyone
that's out here doing itlegally.
Everyone that's out here, so ifyou are in your Penske truck

(54:51):
that has that thing that youmade that you paid for and that
you're out here doing, it's onlygonna help you out.
You know what I mean?
Like yeah, it's only gonna helpout the owner operator who has
saved his whole life or herwhole life to run that truck.
It's only gonna lift all thatstuff up, right?
Sure.
And so um I I'm I'm excitedabout it.

(55:11):
It's gonna be a slow burn,though.
It takes a slow burn, it takes along time to weed this out.

SPEAKER_00 (55:16):
It will not happen quickly, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_05 (55:18):
Slow burn.

SPEAKER_02 (55:20):
But that's fine.
I d I you know was it a um oldold friend of mine, um he was uh
he was actually a pastor of achurch.
And it was a big church, andthey had uh some unique policies
and procedures inside of howthey do business.
And he said the whole purpose ofit was think of a ship.

(55:42):
A ship is moving, it takes a lotto stop a ship, and if you want
to make change, it's very slow,it's very gradual, and the whole
ship moves together.
And I it kinda I think aboutthat when it comes to big
changes.
Like being nimble is superhelpful in some circumstances,

(56:03):
but in others, we saw whatNimble did when uh in 22.
Nimble brought a ton of peoplein the industry that really
killed rates and and actuallyended up backfiring and killing
the industry, or not killing it,but really hurting it.

SPEAKER_00 (56:18):
Really hurting it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (56:19):
Um, so having this become a slow-moving ship that
slowly gets better, I think, ismore sustainable and uh is
better for longevity.
It's very interesting to seewhat's happening.
I mean, honestly, when this allfirst, if you go back and
listen, because it's allrecorded, but it's all out
there, when this all firststarted happening, we were
talking about how this feelssomewhat racist, right?
Yeah, like we were talkingabout, hey, this this is justn't

(56:42):
seem right, this whatever.
Now that so many facts have comeout and so much information's
gotten out, I think we'rerealizing that hey, no, this is
actually a big part of fraudthat most of us didn't know
existed.
Yeah, I had no idea.

SPEAKER_06 (56:56):
Levels of safety.

SPEAKER_02 (56:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (56:59):
Yeah, safety.
That's a big one.

SPEAKER_02 (57:01):
Yep.
And then just unfairly hurtingAmericans.
There's a part of that too,right?
So I don't know.
It's very interesting.
I can't wait to see how thisplays out even more.
I'm sure we'll keep y'allinformed as we go.

SPEAKER_05 (57:14):
Come next one.

SPEAKER_02 (57:15):
I can only imagine.

SPEAKER_05 (57:16):
Keeps unfolding quickly.

SPEAKER_02 (57:18):
Absolutely.
And we're, as y'all can tell,we're a little behind the eight
ball on this.
Uh if you really want to keep upwith this, I highly encourage
y'all check out ExpediterBoogie.
Uh, that's him right here.
It's a good picture.
It's a good picture of him.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (57:31):
Friend of the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 (57:33):
Yes.
Uh, friend of the podcast.
He does some great work and heis way more up to date than we
are.
He is at when news breaks, he'slike on it.
Uh, so uh check him out.
And also, he's just a funny,likable person.

unknown (57:46):
I like it.

SPEAKER_00 (57:47):
Are we on the same X Bider Boogie?

SPEAKER_02 (57:48):
I was gonna say that's what the coffee said to
say.

SPEAKER_00 (57:50):
Oh, that's what the book is.
I wonder who wrote it.

SPEAKER_02 (57:52):
No, we're not.

SPEAKER_00 (57:54):
I wonder who wrote that.

SPEAKER_02 (57:55):
Today we are sponsored by X Bider Boogie.
Did you not know that?

SPEAKER_00 (57:57):
Yeah, oh I didn't know that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (58:00):
He does some great videos, some great content.
It does not cook.

SPEAKER_05 (58:04):
Coffee and cookies.

SPEAKER_02 (58:05):
If you show up at his house, from what I
understand, he will provide youcookies and coffee.
He will.

SPEAKER_05 (58:09):
I only got coffee.
I got cinnamon rolls and coffee.
What the?

SPEAKER_04 (58:13):
What you did.

SPEAKER_05 (58:16):
It's been a hot moment though.

SPEAKER_04 (58:17):
That was a long time ago.

SPEAKER_05 (58:18):
I'm about to say I should come over again.

SPEAKER_04 (58:20):
I don't want to say anything, but no, you shouldn't.

SPEAKER_05 (58:23):
I can Uber.
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (58:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (58:26):
When the time's right, we'll Uber over.
All I'm saying, I'll eat themfor you.

SPEAKER_02 (58:31):
Is I got wine and lasagna.

SPEAKER_05 (58:33):
Oh.

SPEAKER_02 (58:34):
Oh.
Oh.

SPEAKER_00 (58:37):
When I go over there, he just hands me a
computer through the car windowand says I'm my way.
Well, that's because you're hisenemy.
You got an espresso.
I did get an espresso.
He's right.
I did.

SPEAKER_05 (58:45):
I think you got like a chork, chorkata.
Or cortado.

SPEAKER_00 (58:51):
I did get a cortado, yes.
That's not a coffee though.
It is a coffee.
Oh.
It's espresso and and and andcream.

SPEAKER_02 (59:01):
I don't know why you gotta mess up espresso with
anything.
It's so warm and comfortable.
Really good espresso is water,pressure, bean.

SPEAKER_00 (59:12):
Well, he was working on getting the machine work just
right.
Just right?
Just right.
He still experimented at thetime.

SPEAKER_05 (59:19):
I've not yet experienced your just rightness
with your coffee machine.

SPEAKER_02 (59:23):
She said it was bad last time she was there.
That's what I just heard.
Is that what you just heard?
I have yet to experience yourgoodness with your coffee.
I heard that's bad.

SPEAKER_05 (59:32):
Oh, I've yet I've yet to experience your new
machine, period.

SPEAKER_02 (59:35):
Oh.

SPEAKER_00 (59:36):
I don't know if we can still recall new.

SPEAKER_03 (59:38):
He's had it for like nine months now.

SPEAKER_05 (59:39):
Okay, I've yet to practically the new machine from
nine months ago.

SPEAKER_02 (59:44):
You want to experience it?
Go to like an old school coffeeshop, and when you see that
gigantic like uh looks like abeetle size thing, that's it.

SPEAKER_05 (59:53):
Does it take up the whole kitchen?

SPEAKER_02 (59:54):
No.
No, it just happens.

SPEAKER_05 (59:56):
I need to come over and just have a cup of coffee.

SPEAKER_04 (59:58):
I'm actually gonna have to buy.
A new one.
Um, not express not espresso.
Wow.
No.
Okay.
Not espresso.
Nine months.
I'm good.
My rebel drip machine.
It's it's malfunctioning.
How old is it?
Oh my goodness.
It's over three years.
How much coffee do you need abun.

(01:00:19):
We probably yeah, we're easilymaking three pots a day minimal.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:23):
Okay, it's time for it's time for so much coffee.
It's time for a bun.
You can buy them at uh what'sthe restaurant supply store
here?
Restaurant depot.
Restaurant de restaurant depot.
You don't need bougie, you needbun.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:36):
We don't need a new one, but our hot plate on ours
is corroded already.
We've had ours maybe a year anda half.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:43):
Yeah, maybe a year and a half.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:44):
But it works perfect, but it's ugly looking.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:47):
It's not a brevil.
I don't want to brag, but ourMr.
Coffee, it's like eight yearsold.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:53):
I know Don looked at me and he's like, Don't we still
have a warranty?
And I'm like, just because it'sBreville, no, it still comes
with just a one-year limitedwarranty.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:00):
See, that's what stinks about Bed, Bath, and
Beyond being out of business, isthey warrantied their products
for life.
Did y'all know that?
Unlimited return policy.
So it yep.
If you had something and youfive years old and it's like it
could work, and put it back in abox, bring it over to them, and
they would return it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:20):
I do.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:21):
I do.
Oh, under our steps, uh it'slike a total fire hazard.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:26):
I've moved so many times.
If I get rid of a box, then forsome reason I need it again to
move.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:34):
We keep some of our boxes.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:35):
Are we doing things wrong in our house, Luke?

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:37):
Actually, you know that thing about it?
Bedbath and Beyond doesn'trequire you to actually have the
box.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:42):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:43):
You just had to bring it back.
There, I don't think you had tohave a box.
A receipt, that was it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:48):
Who keeps receipts?

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:49):
And if you didn't have the receipt, they can check
your credit card.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:52):
All right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:55):
Well, uh we don't have to worry about that because
we used to take pictures andjust throw it on online and
save, but saving boxes.
It doesn't matter.
They're they're gone.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:03):
All right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:04):
They're a Barnes and Noble now.
At least in our community.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:09):
Yeah, I think it's the heating element though.
It it's whenever it makes thecoffee, like it comes out just
barely warm.
It's not hot anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:17):
Oh, Jared can replace it for you.
That's what a microwave is for.
Jared can fix that for you.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:25):
Yeah, Jared, just bring it to ELW and he'll pop
that thing out, I'll put a newone in.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:29):
You can't do one yourself?
Come on.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:31):
I thought brevels were supposed to be so good you
could just repair them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:35):
It seems like you're talking too much.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:38):
The money you pay for it, it seems like 89 cent
parts.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:43):
See, see if you can get parts for it, heating
element for it.
And if you can, order it, andI'll send Heather over to fix it
for you.

unknown (01:02:50):
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:50):
I'd be happy to help you with that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:52):
Or let's rephrase that.
You'd be happy to do that forme.
Maybe not help.
I don't do that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:02):
And then you just you take it.
I just take it.
I take care of recycling foryou.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:06):
Yeah, that's right.
We're heading down to the other.
I'll recycle it for you.
And then I'll have a brevel.
Yeah.
That's a good idea.
You'll never know.
It never comes to the house.
So well, end up with he doesn'twant glitter.
I get that.
That's true.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:22):
Um a bun.
My grandmother had a bun foryears.
It was a big thing in the backof her hair.
No.
My grandma had an actual buncoffee maker, but she had like
the actual like one that theyfrom the from the restaurant.
Plum plumbed and everything.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:39):
The problem is they all have hot plates.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:41):
No.
Well, yes, they do.
But the nice thing about the bunis it keeps the water hot.
So like your reservoir is alwayshot.
So as soon as you want coffee,you put your scoops in there,
you press the button, and it'simmediately making coffee.
It's super nice.
Now you are running away.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:01):
So you are running away.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:05):
If you don't want it to burn on a plate.
So right now his isn't on aplate.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:09):
Why don't you take it off the plate?
Your brevel doesn't have a hotplate?

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:11):
No.
His goes in a thermos.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:13):
Oh, the thermos thing.
You can't watch how easy thisis.
Solve it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:21):
But then it doesn't.
It's not in a thermos, though,unless you're going to be able
to do it.
Use your brevel.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:24):
Use your brevel thermos.
Does your brevel thermos notwork on anything but a brevel?

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:28):
Who wants to make coffee and then transfer it to
another?

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:30):
No, I'm saying go drip right into the brevel.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:34):
It'll be on a hot plate.
There's so many people here tohelp me.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:40):
Go to McDonald's and get coffee from the red one.
McDonald's coffee's delicious.
Really good coffee.
Such good coffee.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:47):
That's coming from the person who likes pilot
coffee.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:51):
Ew.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:52):
Pilot house has really good.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:54):
Pilot house blend.
Pilot house blend, three cubesof ice, because it is
approximately hot.
Three cubes of ice and thechill, they have chilled the
name rated.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:10):
I had to bring a truck back last week.
I tried it because I was like,okay, Patrick and Vince, and
everybody says that they gotreally, really good coffee.
I was at a pilot.
I went in.
They even had the machine thatlike brewed it all, ground the
beans and it's a little bit.
Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:24):
No, no.
I do the Sumatra from there.
Oh, but you can't do the onethat brews it.
You got to do the one that'slike the standard.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:30):
Sumatra from the fresh rind and brew.
Oh, you do.
Oh, I don't.
I do fresh.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:34):
I tried their brewed.
It was disgusting.
I poured it out.
I tried the grind the beans andbrew.
I couldn't even.
I I got in the truck and it waslike three sips in.
It was just disgusting.
I had to pour it out.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:44):
I've never had a talk to a lot of drivers when
they come in through the yardand coffee, best coffee on the
road is a common topic withveteran drivers.
And I would say 8.5 out of 10say pilot has the best coffee on
the road.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:00):
Yeah.
I I I agree with you.
I think your tastes are justmessed up.
I mean, they even say so.
When you're driving down theinterstate behind a pilot in a
truck, it says best coffee onthe interstate.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:13):
So do you like loves better?
I do not either trucks.

SPEAKER_02 (01:06:17):
I've never I've never seen I've never seen Loves
haul an 18 Wheeler full ofcoffee the way pilot does.
I haven't either.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:24):
So so Jerry, let's let's get real here.
One moment.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:28):
It's all about what you put in the coffee.

SPEAKER_05 (01:06:31):
If if there were no such thing as your own coffee
maker in your own truck or yourown home, and you were forced to
drink a truck stop coffee, isthere a preference?
Or you would just go all water.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:45):
He's like pilot house blend.
If I was forced, I would bestopping at Starbucks every
chance I got Starbucks.
I will drink Starbucks, but it'snot my favorite.
They've pulled those out of mostof the TAs.
I you could still park and walk.
I would get Starbucks.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:04):
So just no truck stop.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:05):
It's just horrible.
I get it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:07):
No, and I do.
I agree.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:08):
Can I bring all of us together?

SPEAKER_05 (01:07:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:10):
Absolute worst truck stop coffee on the entire
interstate is TA.
TA.
Period.
Period.
Hands down.
Hands down.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:19):
16 out of 10 drivers agree.
Hate it's god awful.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:22):
It's like they're they're like they're like, we'll
raise you one pilot, and we'regonna we're gonna we're gonna
claim that number one spot.
Yes, we are.
We will we will claim thatnumber one spot.
We will not be number two.
No.
It is it is number one worstcoffee by far, which is crazy
because if you go to an ironskillet or a country pride,

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different coffee deliciouscoffee.
Oh, it's great.
Well, they know you're captive.
They not captive, they knowyou're gonna be there and they
want a tip.
Right.
So it's good coffee.
Yeah, save good coffee.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:53):
It's actually brewed nicely, but yeah.
You go to somewhere that doesn'thave good coffee, that's when I
would get the cool burratafridge, pre-made crap.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:01):
I would just grab a cocaine and be done with it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:04):
I traveled five hours.
I don't know if y'all know thator not.
I didn't know that.
I wasn't aware.
Tell you what, been doing thisAlani thing recently.
That's really too sweet.
It's way too sweet.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:14):
There was a survey that came they were talking
about on Good More in Americathe other day, and they were
saying that more and more likethe younger generation now is
going, you know, foregoing thecoffee shops and everything, and
they're actually like going outof business and stuff because
more and more young people arejust going straight to the
energy drinks.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:30):
Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:30):
It makes sense.
My energy drink, I buy them inbulk because they're like a
dollar eighty a piece.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:35):
Yeah, but if you're buying once at one at a time in
the retail store, it's like fourbucks.
So it's not you're not savingmoney over a coffee.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:40):
I get that.
But if I if I buy them in bulk,yeah,$1.80 a piece.
If I go to Starbucks, I'm sixdollars.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:49):
Easy.
Easy$378 for a large.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:52):
Yeah, that's coffee.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:53):
That's coffee, but I want is coffee.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:55):
Yeah, but I would get a latte or something.

SPEAKER_06 (01:08:57):
Espresso rebe.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:59):
Dirty tray latte.
It's good.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:01):
So Jerry.
Kit it.
Gotta get it warm.
Yes, definitely.
Jerry, what have we missed?

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SPEAKER_05 (01:09:54):
Um that's only that only happens if I've had enough
coffee.
Wink, week.
I'm kidding.

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SPEAKER_02 (01:10:12):
Well, but what's the subscription fees?

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SPEAKER_00 (01:10:16):
Nice.
So introductory price, like freefor the first three episodes or
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Wow.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:22):
Well, that they'll be for a while.
For the foreseeable future.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:28):
I don't know about it.
Okay, we'll see.
All right, well, I can charge acoffee tax.
We could.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:36):
No, no, not you.
They give us money.
Just me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:39):
That's how we ended up in America.
Tax the tea, tax the coffee.
Taxica?
What's the worst that can happenin a rebellion?

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:45):
I mean, the jerky was nice.
I wasn't a tax, but the jerkywas a nice little extra extra.
I could go for a little coffeefor extra extra.
Just saying.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:57):
I give you K cup on the way out.

unknown (01:10:59):
Nice.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:59):
Oh, it'll brew it for you.
You have to go to Jerry's anduse his blue.

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:03):
Can't get it there either.
I have.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:06):
No, we don't.
We don't.
Are we the only ones that have Kcup?
I guess so.
But you couldn't find theinsert.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:14):
Oh, you found the insert machine.

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:16):
She's like, huh?
Yeah, she found the insert.

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SPEAKER_05 (01:11:40):
I'm excited to see where these articles go.
Again, like you said, we've beenfollowing them for a hot moment,
so I'm excited.
It's like truck stopgate.
I don't know what to say.
Yeah, I'm something.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:50):
Yeah, I'm intrigued.
I I just we've see we've seenand heard so much positive
optimism over the past coupleyears that we're all kind of
sick of it.
And this is the first one that'snot a gut feeling of someone.
This is like, hey, no, here'saction that's happening and
here's the numbers to back itup.
Yeah.
So I'm I that part I'm excitedabout.
So I think it's the upliftingnews we've needed for a while.

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stay safe and make gooddecisions.
And don't leave money on thetable and keep those turn on.
That's the wrong button.
Good night.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:30):
Next week, I'm not sure.