October 6, 2024 • 57 mins
This week Christian discusses a recent concert experience while Caleb talks about Katy Perry and some Australian Hip-Hop. Listen in as they continuously bully each other throughout this new episode, 'I'm Being Bullied'.
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What's going on everyone?
Welcome to this week's episode of the Pain in Our Head podcast.
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Excited for this week's episode actually?
Cause it's close to home for you.
That's brutal.
We haven't even made 30 seconds yet.
Yeah, there's going to be a record.
Well done.
Yes, this week's episode, episode 35.
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Wow.
It's just, the number just keeps going.
It's amazing.
That happens.
Hey, that's what happened.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Amazing, right?
This week finally.
How high it worked like that.
Oh no.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Finally you could grow in your 20s and your 30s.
Anyway, this week we're going to be talking about bullying and mental health.
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Surprise, cause we didn't know that we were going to be talking about this until this
morning.
Yeah.
Caleb's like, I've got a really good idea for this afternoon.
And I was like, yeah, that's cool, but what about bullying?
Cool.
Let's do it.
So here we are.
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Yeah.
We're going to talk about that.
And then I got some music to talk about.
We always do.
I know you do.
Cause there's a new song that came out.
I'd say you'd probably might mention.
Yeah.
Pretty sure you sent me something about a new song by, I can't remember now.
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I'll have to look it up.
But I have plenty to talk about.
So, yeah.
Oh, windrose.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The new windrose song.
Yeah.
That's right.
Talking about that.
There's plenty of other stuff I want to talk about too.
So yeah.
Cracking, crack on, have a chop.
What's going on this week?
It's Wednesday.
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We don't record on a Tuesday.
Tuesday has become our usual day to record.
But we've both just been, we've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've both just been so slammed emotionally, physically and mentally.
And just, so we just had to push it back till today.
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So here we are.
It's Wednesday.
Hmm.
So since last episode, I guess, I had a fucking count of a week.
An absolute emotional roller coaster of a week.
I got just bent over and emotionally raw doled like three days in a row.
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And then on, it was like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then Friday I went to Parkway
Drive and I entered that pit with some shit to deal with.
And it was a good fucking night.
I thoroughly enjoyed the shit out of it.
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It was an amazing concert.
Fucking.
And then it took me the whole weekend to recover.
Yeah, fair enough.
Because I'm not as young as I used to be.
It's a big show.
They have, there was four acts, including Parkway.
So yeah, huge, huge production.
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Yeah, from what I've seen, obviously I didn't get to see them, but two people very close
to me got to go.
So I've heard all about it and amazing, just amazing.
Some of the stuff.
So yeah, not enjoyed the shit out of it.
So that was good.
And then I spent the west of the west of the weekend recovering and playing games with
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you.
Surprise, surprise.
I don't even remember.
Every day is just blended into one.
Yeah, uh, void vision.
They played, you like them?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did.
Actually, I had never ever heard of them before and they, they opened up and I was just like,
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oh, yeah, it's pretty fucking good.
Pretty good.
Yeah.
And it was, I don't remember what the order was with the ghost inside or I prevail.
They were the other two openers.
Yep.
And fucking, I prevail was first, I think.
And then it was ghost inside.
Yeah.
Okay.
Right.
Interesting.
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I really fucking enjoyed, I prevail.
Yeah.
Look quite jealous of that because I think I would have really liked to have seen them,
but I've seen, seen void of vision by accident.
I was the same, never heard of them before.
And then I went and saw Amity probably 18 months, almost two years ago now.
They're coming back.
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Yeah, they are coming back.
Yeah.
I thoroughly enjoyed.
I really like Amity to be honest.
Yeah.
I like Amity.
Like they got a few real bangers, but I don't know if I'd go and see them.
I hadn't heard much of them or much of their music until I'd actually seen them in concert.
And after I'd seen them in concert, I was sold and I binged them for a good couple of
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weeks after the concert.
But yeah, void of vision were really good too when they opened for them.
So yeah.
Let's look at who they've got opening for them.
Yeah.
Hmm.
I wonder where they're coming.
King Parrot's coming again.
Oh yes.
Yep.
Last time I saw King Parrot, we opened for King Parrot and I got blackout drunk and got
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turned into a meme.
So not sure if I feel like going back to see King Parrot again.
It's embarrassing.
You got turned into a meme for your birthday too.
Yeah, I didn't tell you.
Yeah, I did.
That was really good.
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That's like borderline bullying.
Yeah, we'll address that later.
Oh no, it's sort of fun the same way.
Yeah, no, it's good.
Well, we are, because we're going to chat about that.
We're going to chat about the drawing the line.
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Where is the line when you're, I guess, when you're hanging shit on your mates.
Where is the line, Caleb?
We don't have one.
We don't have one.
There isn't a line.
It doesn't matter when or where, there's no good or bad time or place, it just happens
and the other person just has to deal with it.
The only time that I reckon we've never bullied each other is when dogs have been involved.
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That's like the only time there's a break.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Even that it's like a fucking, you get like a 24 hour window where I'm not going to say
something mean to you.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, exactly.
Other than that, no.
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Pretty sure I was being bullied within like a couple of hours of being out of fucking
hospital.
Like, you know, I'm pretty sure I was being bullied while I was on the mental health ward.
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
You wake up in the morning and you get a message from me and like nine times out of ten, you're
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getting bullied before you've even gotten to work.
You've even had a coffee in the morning.
Yeah.
And yeah, that's good fun.
I'm brushing my teeth in the morning listening to Caleb abuse me.
Sucks to suck, you little bitch.
Crawl me a river.
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Yeah, it's very good.
But yeah, all it looked bullying.
It's just one of those things.
Everyone's gone through it, surely.
You'd have to say there was a percentage, it'd be pretty close to 99%.
You'd have to be pretty lucky if you went through your life and didn't get bullied from
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someone.
I don't know.
You know?
I don't know how it was when you went to high school, but when I went to high school, there
was definitely like the cool kids.
Oh, yeah.
Those pricks didn't get fucking bullied.
Probably not.
I don't know.
I was not, I wasn't close enough to them to know if they did or not.
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I was never the cool kid.
No, not at all.
Still not.
Not even my mum thinks I'm cool.
I think you're pretty cool.
For a loser.
That's good.
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That's good.
Yeah, so anyway, bullying.
What the hell is bullying?
That, like go back 15 seconds and go, that's bullying.
You piece of shit.
That is a pretty good example.
Yeah.
No, it's not.
Well, it's not.
It's not just playing around, harmless fun.
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That was probably harmless fun.
It's when it happens.
The other person takes it.
Yeah.
It depends how often it happens too.
So when it's like 20 times in a night within an hour, that's probably bullying.
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Yeah.
Because I like it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the thing.
There's a time and place.
If you're doing it to someone out of malice to hurt their feelings or make them feel like
shit, that sort of thing, then that's obviously where it comes down to.
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If it's intentional, unintentional, whether it's friendly or harmless.
So yeah.
There's also too, like I said though, it also depends on how the person receiving it reacts
to it, like you may think that you're having a bit of harmless banter with someone and
they may think that, fuck you, you're a bully.
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I've been in that situation before where I've made a bit of a joke at somebody and they've
taken serious offense to it.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
Oh shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think sometimes when that happens, you're pretty quick to admit that you were trying
to joke around and all that sort of stuff.
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Yeah.
But sometimes you can say stuff without thinking about the consequences and that's what happens.
So lots of different types of bullying too.
It's extensive.
Cyber bullying, that's physical bullying, emotional, verbal.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I should have done, I didn't even think of this.
I should have pulled up my website.
I had to make a website in university as like a-
Dekonmi.com.
Yeah.
It's just a picture of you with your fucking hair down, looking all sad.
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Don't bully me.
I'll come.
Shit.
We are the worst people to talk about bullying.
Yeah.
I don't know why you suggested this.
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Because I really experienced it.
Both sides of it.
Both sides.
I just want to rehash this.
This is not a laughing matter.
No, it's not.
No, it's very serious.
Yeah.
It hurts.
It fucking does, man.
I had to switch high schools.
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I went to a high school for my junior high, so year eight, nine and 10.
The bullying for me was that bad that I switched high schools for year 11 and 12.
I couldn't fucking do it anymore.
Twinsies.
Really?
Yeah, except mine was at the end of grade five.
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I had to move schools.
I did six and seven in a different primary school.
Yeah.
Yep.
Just because from pretty much first grade right through to grade five.
Yeah.
Sucked ass.
Yeah.
For me, bullying started probably year four, year five was when it started.
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Then yeah, it wasn't horrible in primary school.
It was just kids being kids, I guess.
Yeah.
Once it moved to high school, it was fucking disgusting.
Yeah, really.
I think I had it worse in my earlier years than I did in high school.
At the same time, when I got to high school, because of the traumatic experiences, I hid
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away.
I just kept to myself and avoided being in situations.
Dude, I spent every fucking lunch, every break at the library hiding.
I used to do that sometimes.
Every day.
Oh, really?
Every day.
Yeah, well, if I wasn't at the library, I was at the music building.
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Usually I spent most of my lunch breaks playing drums.
I was pretty lucky to do that.
Well, yeah, no, actually in uni, I was tasked with creating a website that was basically
like a go-to guide for bullying and what it is and what it does and the effects and all
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that sort of stuff.
I've done some research on it in the past.
I do, obviously, other than experiencing it firsthand, I've done a fair bit of research
on it as well.
It's probably one of my biggest fears as a parent is like, if my kids ever get bullied,
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I feel sorry for the other parent.
That took me a second.
I can't hit your kid.
No, but I'm going to hit you.
Yeah, man.
Yeah, it'll be a legitimate...
It's a legitimate concern of mine.
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Because of how bullied I was, I do not want my kids to fucking experience what I experienced.
I used to come home, year eight, nine and ten, I'd come home and during the day, they'd
spit on me, they'd spit on my bag, they'd get dead lizards and put it in my lunchbox,
they'd throw my bag up where I couldn't reach it.
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I had one dude pick me up by my shoulders because I was so small, pick me up and hung
me on the fucking bag rack and laid into me.
I couldn't fucking do shit because I was hanging by my fucking jacket.
Yeah, right.
It's like, yeah, I got the absolute snot beaten out of me on the fucking reg.
Yeah, shit.
Yeah, my kids go through that shit.
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Trigger some fucking bad times.
Definitely trigger some trauma there.
Yes, no, look, it's awful and that's physical.
So yeah, that's an awful thing to go through.
I can't...
See, that was one thing.
I never really got bullied physically.
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I was small, but I had good fight.
Still am small.
Fuck up.
If I get to Adelaide in a must-on and I'm taller than you, you will never hear the end
of it.
Ever.
When you show up, if you're like a fucking two millimetres taller than me, I'm going
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to kick you in the dick so fucking hard that for the entire three days that you are here,
you will be shorter than me.
By the way, Caleb's coming to Adelaide for three days.
Yes, yes, I'll be down in Adelaide for three days.
I think we should record a podcast while I'm down there.
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Probably a good idea.
Anyway, yeah, so I don't think I copped a lot of the physical, thankfully.
Verbally, socially though, socially biggest.
Oh yeah, like isolated and like fucking intentionally left out.
Well, yeah, and just this like spreading of rumours and all that sort of stuff.
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Yeah, that was everywhere for me.
I'm lucky that social media wasn't as prominent back when I was going through school.
Yeah, yeah, I would have been in some serious trouble.
I would have been, yep, absolutely.
But I do remember even a few small cases at high school, not to do with me, but I remember
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there were some people that did go through that and the whole school was not even formed,
but I think our grade, we've sat down and completely spoken to about it and the whole
thing.
So it's a tricky thing to navigate through as obviously the person going through it.
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If it's happening at school, it's tricky for the school and the administration and everyone
involved there to go through.
And then of course, the parents as well of the kid, it's not an easy thing to navigate.
My kid's an angel, he wouldn't do that.
Oh yeah, how many times have you heard that?
Fuck me.
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My kid's an angel.
It's like, well, why does my kid have a fucking black eye?
Your kid's an angel.
Why does mine have a black eye?
Yeah, right.
Go figure.
So yeah, it's terrible.
Embarrassing people in public.
I was going to bring up an embarrassing story a few weeks ago when we did embarrassment.
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I think I got picked on for a while for that too.
But yeah, different things like embarrassing people and spreading rumors and shit.
Yeah.
A lot of it too stems from just trying to maintain a position of power over the person
you're bullying.
It doesn't matter what mode of bullying it is, it all comes back to just trying to be
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dominant over someone else and using whatever it means, whether it be physical, emotional,
verbal, cyber bullying, all of it.
All of it is just trying to dominate someone else and make them feel less than you.
Yeah, yeah, that's it.
All you're trying to make yourself look cooler than others, trying to be a part of the cool
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clique or group or whatever.
You feel like you're going to get that because of the bullying.
Sometimes it doesn't stop at school, workplaces.
You think it would, right?
I've been in a lot of workplaces where I was like, I grew up, got out of school and I was
like, awesome.
Everyone's an adult now.
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Sweet, like here we go.
It's all good, but no, it still happens even in workplaces and things like that as well.
So it's not just children and teenagers, it happens with adults.
Yeah, more examples as an adult too, like sports teams and sports clubs too, they're
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fucking notorious for that shit, getting in their little cliques and that.
And then if you're not in that fucking inner circle, it's yeah.
And like you said, I had the exact same thoughts growing up.
Once I got into the workforce, I was like, cool, everyone's a fucking adult.
I'm the youngest generally, back when.
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Even now, I'm the youngest person out of all the loader operators.
Oh yeah, right.
You're like, yeah, cool, like, you know, not anymore, I don't think it, but you know,
back in the day you would have been like, I know everyone's older than me.
They're going to be more mature than me.
They're going to be chill.
Like, you're not going to cop the same shit.
And then it's just like, sweet fucking Jesus.
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A week later, you're like, damn, it's worse than high school.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
It is.
Yeah.
So it's never ending, can be never ending.
Hard to get away from.
Give them the old left, right, good night and sort it out.
Yeah.
You know, they say, you know, not the way, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But I tell you what, primary school, this is before I moved and it was grade five.
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And I think it was one of the big reasons why I did end up moving for my last two years
of primary school.
And there was this big guy and he used to pick on me for being short.
And one day I took it into my own hands.
I got in a shit load of trouble for it.
But yeah, no, we were in a couple stories, like in those blocks.
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I think it was like three levels or something like that.
We're in sort of the top level.
One day he was just going too far and we were near the window.
And there were sort of those windows that opened like outwards, like from the bottom
up.
Yep.
And yeah, one day I just went, right, that's enough.
You've pushed me way too far.
So I grabbed him by the scruff and held him up against the window and was pretty much
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like, talk to me again and I'll let you go.
I pulled him back in, threw him on the floor, got sent to the bloody principal's office.
Never looked at me ever again.
Funny though.
Not a look, not a look, not a, yep, no, yep.
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So yeah, it's stupid that it would have to get to that point.
You know what I mean?
Because teachers had already been told about it and all that sort of stuff, but nothing
was getting done.
So I think the lesson there is it's really important to jump onto these things when it's
early, on the early days and try and get it hushed out before something like that happens,
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before it gets too out of control.
And someone does something that they're going to regret or someone gets really hurt or gets
hung up on a bag rack and beaten the shit out of it.
Thank you.
I'm going to do that to you now.
I'm going to find somewhere to hang you up.
You're going to have to be able to reach me first.
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Two centimeters.
If I'm shorter though, I'm in trouble.
Oh no.
We're going to be the same height.
We'll be exactly the same height back to back.
It'll just be, we'll be bigger in important ways.
Yeah.
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Well, big gut.
Anyways, yeah, you don't eat.
I'll show you.
Why'd you feed me when I come down to Adelaide?
I don't feed myself.
Why would I feed you?
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You're on the Christian diet, will you?
Fucking ice coffee and fucking cigarettes.
Oh shit.
Caffeine and nicotine at breakfast to the champions.
Nice.
That's why you don't bully people because then they become caffeine and nicotine addicts
when they're older.
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Yeah, that's exactly right.
Well, that's it.
Bullying is like bullying during school and high school generally leads people to anxiety
and depression and other mental health disorders.
You might think it's just a little bit of, it's a rite of passage kind of thing.
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It's like everyone gets bullied a little bit.
It was like, but what they don't realize is that bullying can lead to lasting fucking
damage and effects that follows people into adulthood.
I know I was an absolutely horrible piece of shit when I got out of high school.
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When I switched high schools, I went from being very quiet and very, very emotional
to just being outright fucking hostile.
It stuck with me for probably a solid five or six years before I finally got myself under
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control where I was like, okay, look, no, I'm actually, I'm better than this and I'm
currently quite a piece of shit and had to like go back and figure out why I was so fucking
angry at everybody.
Yep.
Well, that's it.
It can be, it can have a long lasting effect on you and not just an immediate one.
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So no, you're right.
Like, you know, you can form some serious depression, anxiety, all that sort of stuff.
I think the thing that can be really tricky with it, especially while it's happening,
cause I just started watching this TV show I just mentioned to you before we started
recording Pantheon.
Anyway, the main chicken that I'm only like first episode, but it's really, really cool
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scene.
The chicken that gets bullied, right?
So this whole thing of bullying makes you feel alone.
It's so true.
So true.
And the TV show represents it really, really well.
It's not as easy as just asking out for help because it's not that easy.
You know what TV doesn't fucking represent bullying well?
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You know what?
TV show fucking 13 reasons why.
Oh yeah.
We're not going to, we could, yeah.
I'm, yep.
I'm just going to have the worst fucking series for mental health.
I'm going to leave that.
Yeah.
But not a, not a fan, not a fan.
Anyway, tell me that you can't do this.
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This did it really well.
It really did.
The whole thing of feeling alone, stressed and humiliated and ashamed, you know, they
went to try and reach out and they were in the middle of typing a message out to a loved
one saying that things aren't going well.
I need help.
Rata rata.
And then in the middle of that, they get some social media cyber bullying and they feel
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like crap and then they delete their message to the loved one.
And send it and end up sending a message instead saying everything's fine.
Everything's going really great.
And that's like the complete opposite.
But I just thought it was a really perfect interpretation of how it really is when you
are getting bullied and when it is so consistent, when it is so much as well.
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So that kind of like brings up another important point too, like, you know, feeling alone and
isolated when you're being bullied.
It's super fucking important that if you're a bystander in bullying, if you don't fucking
do anything about it, then you're just as bad as the bully in my opinion.
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If you witness someone being bullied and you don't try to intervene or at the absolute
minimum talk to the person being bullied after it happens, fuck you.
You're just as fucking responsible as the person doing the damage because you're just
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letting it happen.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
It's almost as good as egging it on.
You may as well be standing right next to the guy doing it, whoever doing it, cheering
them for bullying that person.
So yeah, it's terrible.
Absolutely terrible.
And of course, like all these things we talked about, you can develop depression, anxiety
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rata rata.
That's what gets you to feel like you are alone and you don't have anyone.
And then when you start getting those sort of thoughts, you can even potentially move
into that self harm kind of realm and even further.
And so it's awful, awful stuff.
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Very traumatic.
Very traumatic.
Yes.
I hate it.
Yeah, look, it's shit.
There's no way that you can't sugar coat it.
It's crap.
It's the same sort of stuff.
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I think with bullying, the biggest thing or the best thing you can do is to talk to someone.
You need to.
You need to.
That's not easy though.
Like I was just saying before, it's not that easy sometimes.
No exactly.
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Especially if it happens when you're young, especially if you're a fucking dude, you don't
want to go and talk to someone because that's a lot of the time you think to yourself, you're
like, oh, that's weak.
I just need to toughen up.
I need to do something about it myself.
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And it's like, no, it's not weak to speak.
Go fucking talk to someone.
Be like, hey, look, I'm really fucking struggling right now.
This is what's happening.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
No, I think that's just the best thing to do.
Absolutely.
And if you don't feel like you have anyone around, there are plenty, plenty of hotlines
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and services out there now.
I think most high schools these days have either A, a school counselor, B, a fucking
school chaplain.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm pretty sure like we did and you know, and I'm sure you did and that was yonkiedoodles
ago.
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So they've probably got heaps, heaps of resources like that now.
So just because you go and talk to someone too, it doesn't mean like, you know, you
know, they're going to go and fucking sort the problem out.
No, like or confront the person that's doing it.
It's like, it could just be giving you that space that you need to get your feelings out
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there and approach it from a different angle or, you know, steer you in the right direction
towards these hotlines and so on.
There's plenty of things out there that you can call up and be like, this is what's happening
to me.
Yep.
What can I do?
Yeah.
I think too, like confronting the person that's giving you the hard time is not really the
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way to go because that just feeds their addiction.
You know, they're getting a reaction.
I've been told that avoidance is usually the better way to go about it, even though I'm
usually I go the other way.
You know, I want to go and confront and I want to perk up and I want to throw hands.
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That's not the way to probably do it.
Sounds fun though.
I'm a fucking shocker for it.
Like, I'm very confrontational when it comes to stuff like that.
And it's like, if I feel like you're doing something against me, then I'm going to fucking
call you out on it.
I used to be the opposite.
I used to be very, very quiet.
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And it's like, you know, people would fucking bully me and I'd just be like, oh, yeah,
yeah, that's fine.
Now it's like, what'd you fucking say?
And then I respond with you heard me.
Did I fucking stutter?
Hit you with all the good ones.
I love that one.
I fucking love it.
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Yeah.
So when you say something to him, like, what'd you fucking say to me?
It's like, did I fucking stutter?
Why not?
Turn your hearing aids up, listen fucking closely, I said.
We're not supposed to be giving lessons on how to bully someone.
That's not bullying, it's standing up for yourself.
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No, this is true.
This is true.
Stand up for yourself.
Yeah.
Anyway, that's it.
That's it.
That's all I've got.
Bullying sucks if you're going through it.
If you've got someone that's going through it, you know, we've spoken about what it
kind of looks like and a few things you may be able to help.
And yeah, that's it really.
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That's all I've got on it.
It's tough, tough topic, but yeah, treat it, of course, treat it lightly.
Like, yeah, that's, I think that's the best way to go about it.
Yeah.
And like we said at the start too, like you need to know when it's okay to bully certain
people because everyone's, everyone's different.
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Like Caleb and I bully each other all day, every day.
There's no stopping.
It's just an eternal train of pain.
It's just, I'm a fucking abuse you to you love me.
It loves me a lot and it still happens.
You crave more.
You keep him keen.
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That's it.
That's wrong.
But no, in all seriousness, no, like, you know, I, the way I talk to Caleb is not the
way that I'm going to talk to everybody.
You need to, you need to like find where your happy balances are.
And not everyone responds to bullying friendships.
Like some people are very sensitive to it and that's fine.
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There's nothing wrong with that.
So you just need to learn what you can and can't get away with, with different people.
Yep.
Just going to know who's who in the zoo.
And the apex predator or a gazelle.
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They some faster than you still haven't caught me.
You're a monkey.
He's fucking throwing shit.
We're both monkeys throwing shit at each other.
There's enough of this.
Yep.
Quick break.
Now we talk about some music.
We'll be back in just a moment.
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Welcome back to this week's episode of the Pain in Our Head podcast.
As always, thanks for listening.
Thanks for tuning in.
We do appreciate it.
We do.
I do.
Yeah, no, I do.
Seriously.
I think we hit 50 streams on our first episode.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.
I think that happened last week.
Probably.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's still got the most, but no, look, we really do appreciate it.
So if you're a new time listener, because I know there's a few people that have told
and that have listened to recent episodes, so thank you for listening.
And if you're someone who has been listening from the start, thank you.
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We appreciate it.
All with you.
Why do you enjoy this?
I get like a message every fucking Monday morning from my grandmother.
Yeah, that's amazing.
I thought it was a really good episode today.
I liked that one.
Or it's like, what was yesterday, Monday, she was like, oh, that was a really good episode.
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Like, no wonder you're so tired all the time.
And I'm like, what we even fucking talk about?
I don't remember.
And I was like, oh, work life balance.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Yes, I work a lot.
Have we made any changes since then?
No.
I had the weekend off.
I didn't work six days.
Yeah, yeah, well, that's good.
It's a start.
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No, it's been good.
We've been chatting about bullying.
So if you're interested in that, go back and have a listen.
If you're interested, don't be a prick.
Yeah, otherwise, yeah, work life balance last week, that was pretty good.
Nice, quick episode.
Let's have a chat about music.
I've been enjoying music this week more than I usually have.
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Well, I usually am.
I've been so caught up in life and everything.
And sometimes I get to a point where I'm just like, oh, I don't even want to listen to music.
I'm just not going to enjoy my now of it.
And it's been like that for a little while.
And that's depressing.
I get depressed.
I seriously do.
If I'm not enjoying music, I get depressed.
And I'm enjoying music this week.
So it's been good.
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Me too.
I always enjoy it.
If I get to a point where I'm not enjoying music, there's something really wrong with
my head and I'm in a really bad place.
Well, that's exactly right.
So I guess maybe I've been in a bit of a rut.
But yeah, enjoying it, back to enjoying it.
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It's been really good.
Yeah, get that on the big jobs.
Who's supportive?
I've been still binging the shit out of see this new album, loving every song, slowly
learning every single bit of the words.
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Really good.
But today, we were sending each other back to back videos of us singing today.
We have those days every couple of weeks where we just smash each other with videos of us
singing.
I reckon about once a week.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's come that one day where it's like one of us will send just the right fucking
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singing video and it just triggers it.
And you're just like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Yeah.
It's just back to back.
So no, we were doing that and I thought, oh yeah, I'm going to send you a little bit of
a video friend like you about Blissiness because I know you really like the song.
So I obviously, I punched that in and then listening to that.
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And after that song finished, Spotify likes to do just a random shuffle of like kind of
that style and genre and same artists.
And it was throwing bangers at me today.
Just like Aussie hip hop, Blissiness or Hilltop Hoods, Draft, Seth Century.
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What else was I getting today?
Da Fig Jam by Sticky Fingers.
Oh yeah.
Have you heard that?
What a song.
I told you about that song.
I've known about that song for years, years.
I used to listen to it back when I was a teenager.
But I haven't heard of it for ages.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Great song.
And that's in the playlist.
Yeah, I am.
I'm going to.
Yeah.
Yeah.
FIG JAM by Sticky Fingers.
Queensland Band.
Yes.
I think he operates under Evil Eddie now.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah.
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Okay.
Either he was Evil Eddie before he did Sticky Fingers or did Sticky Fingers and now he does
solo stuff as Evil Eddie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
Okay.
It's not a Queensland song.
Yes.
Which is also a banger.
I know the one you're talking about.
It's literally called Queensland, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.
I've heard it.
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No, really good.
So he was throwing bangers at me today and.
Oh shit.
Yeah.
Hmm.
All right.
It's music related.
Yeah.
Great.
Oh, I just got a notification from Spotify because I've got the app that We Came as Romans
performing on Friday the 19th, November the 15th.
Oh.
Yeah, right.
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Hmm.
I like their Taylor Swift cover.
Yes, that's right.
I was trying to think if I know one of their songs, that's on the playlist.
Yeah, I think it is.
Yep.
I knew you were trouble when Taylor Swift.
Yeah.
Done by We Came as Romans.
Hmm.
Yeah, no, I enjoy that.
Yeah, so I know, enjoying music this week, especially the Aussie hip hop I was today
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anyway.
A couple of songs that come to mind if I'm talking regarding bullying, bullying, Youth
of the Nation by POD.
Mark me, right?
Good song.
Great song.
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Yep.
Really like POD.
A couple of their songs.
So that's a really good song.
And obviously Pumped Up Kicks by Foster the People.
Yeah.
Funnily enough, similar messages.
Oh.
Evil Lady came before Butterfingers.
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Sticky Fingers.
Is it Butterfingers?
Why do I think it was Sticky Fingers?
Sticky Fingers is a band.
Triple J were smashing on forever.
Yeah, Butterfingers, that's right.
Yeah.
Whenever I hear that name too, I always think of Salad Fingers.
You remember that?
If you haven't seen it, if you've got no idea what that is, look it up on YouTube.
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Yeah, Salad Fingers.
It's a video.
There you go.
He took a break.
So it was 2001 to 2009, Evil Lady.
Sorry, 2001 to 2009 was Butterfingers and then he took a break until 2017 and then he
still going as Butterfingers.
Yeah, right.
Cool.
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So.
There you go.
POD, Youth of the Nation.
Fuck me.
Wasn't that a banger when it first came out?
Absolutely.
And really strong.
It doesn't really.
It doesn't sort of play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play into Australia as much.
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No, it doesn't.
We don't have school shootings.
No, no we do not.
Sorry.
Not going to make any jokes about school shootings even though there's a billion out there.
But anyway.
Sorry to our American listeners.
We don't mean to.
We don't mean to bring up any trauma if we have.
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I apologize.
But yeah, no, we don't.
So it doesn't really apply to us over here.
But the whole bullying side of it.
But yeah, that's what those songs are about.
Yeah, bullying and then pushing someone to that point.
Yeah, terrible.
But great songs.
Really good songs.
Done really well.
Both those ones that I mentioned.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
I pumped up kicks.
Jazz got blasted over the radio.
That was super popular.
Yeah.
Good song.
Yeah.
Great song.
Great song.
What else was I talking about today?
360.
360.
I asked you about it and you said, yeah, you hadn't really known too much.
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But yeah, do a 360.
Do a 360.
You sick lad.
I'm a fucking comedic genius.
Yeah, I mean, I would have said autistic, but yeah, sure.
360.
It was popping up today and I just, what gets me is the album Utopia.
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It came out in 2014.
Wow, so 10 years ago.
No way.
That's crazy.
It was really good.
It was done really, really well.
It was full of the times.
It was really popular.
He had about six hits from it or something, I reckon.
And it was really, really good.
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I'm trying to find the stats because that's all I remember from 2014 was those songs.
I don't even remember 2014.
Oh yeah?
Yeah, yeah.
Why is that?
Why don't you remember 2014?
Fucking don't.
It was a long time ago.
It was a long time ago.
Yeah.
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It was.
10 years ago, I was fucking 25.
Yeah.
I don't remember what I was doing at 25.
No, no.
I think I met Kim.
What a fucking mistake that was.
Yeah, well, yeah.
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So anyway, that was a really cool album.
That was like that hit.
Music position was two on the Aria albums charts.
So yeah, it did really well.
Anyway, I just wanted to get my two cents in there.
It's not really that interesting.
If you haven't heard 360, go listen to some of his stuff, especially the Utopia album
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because there's at least six songs on there that are just top notch.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Yep.
Hmm.
My turn?
Yeah, yeah.
Have a croak.
What's been tickling your peagal?
I'm going to sing Body Bag by I Prevail.
Of course you're going to say that.
It's a good song.
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Yeah.
It's a fucking great song and seeing it live, I was just like, because I'd never heard,
I've never heard of, but I don't think I'd ever listened to an I Prevail song.
I think I might've listened to like one or two on YouTube just to be like, oh, what's
this band about?
And I didn't, I didn't feel it.
And then when they came out and played, I was just so, it was pretty good.
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And they played Body Bag and I was like, this is fucking amazing.
And like one of the, one of the bonuses, I guess, of, of being a singer is like, you
tend to pick up on lyrics quite swiftly.
So like they played the song and by the end of the song, I knew what to sing.
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I was just fucking like at the top of my lungs.
I was just like, fucking living my best life.
And then, so yeah, I enjoyed the shit out of that.
And the other song was, I feel like it was, yeah, Engine 45 by The Ghost Inside.
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I think I've heard that.
Really good.
Really, really good.
And that was another thing that I hadn't listened to The Ghost Inside and I saw them and I was
like, this is fucking sick.
I'm enjoying this.
And then, yeah, they played that song and I was just like, oh damn, oh damn.
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Very, very good song.
I don't have any cool statistics or fucking interesting things to tell you about either
of those songs, except that they were really fucking good live.
Live music's amazing.
Yeah.
Actually, I'm going to try and be near about live music.
You know who, randomly, I actually wouldn't mind going to see live.
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This is going to surprise you.
It's a pop singer.
I would like to see you live.
I'm going to see you live.
Very excited.
Very angry, just looking on stage.
I'd just laugh, to be honest.
I'd be there in the corner.
I'd be there in the corner laughing my ass off.
You fucking would not be.
You would be center stage.
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You fucking give me corner shit, you'd be center stage.
And if you weren't, I would walk off the stage and plant you in front of the stage so that
I could put one foot on your shoulder and do the fucking vocals.
I'm not using the fucking foldback speaker to stand on.
I'm using your fucking shoulder.
Yeah.
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And then I can also give you the mic and be like, sing for me, daddy.
Give me your best fucking metal vocals.
Yeah, no, but yeah, it's a pop singer.
Katy Perry.
Yeah.
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Well, that was me too.
Yeah.
And then she-
You just want to see it for our assets.
No, no, actually, no, for the first time in my life, no.
She performed for the Australian.
That's right.
The AFL grand final.
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Australian football is where I was going with that.
Yeah, the AFL grand final.
And pop acts that I've seen and any ones that I've even seen on TV, they all use backing
tracks, right?
Fair enough.
They sing half of it, half of it's lip synced, blah, blah, blah, blah.
That's fine.
That's what pop music is.
That's what the performance is.
So be it, whatever.
So that's what I was expecting, right?
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I was expecting it to be pretty much just over the top performance show with just backing
track and rata rata.
She sung it.
She sung the whole thing and I was blown away.
Just vocals were just unbelievable.
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Just for live and raw, I just couldn't believe how great she sounded.
Didn't she sing raw as well?
Yeah, yeah, she did.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, she's sung raw, raw.
Yeah, it's raw sounding.
You're a show.
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You watch this episode.
She's coming to Australia to do a tour.
She's not coming to Adelaide.
How's this?
She's going to Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Perth.
What?
Not going to Adelaide.
She knows I'm here and she'll fall in love with me.
She's avoiding it.
Be me, the creative.
Just be like, fuck it.
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Oh yeah, here we go.
Anyway, no, I seriously, off the back of watching that, I could hear like, you know, there'd
be little mistakes, like tiny mistakes that she made just when you're doing a performance
live.
But I love that.
Like that's raw emotion.
And look, it was just fantastic.
And I have a feeling that seeing an actual live show of hers would be pretty good.
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See, I do enjoy a little bit of a fucking little bit of a whoopsie daisy on a live performance,
but the lead singer from I Killed the Prom Queen was at the, cause he's from Adelaide.
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So he was at the Parkway Drive concert and they brought him out for Boneyards, which
is like right fucking up there for me.
Like that's one of my favorite Parkway Drive songs.
And he didn't fucking sing it right.
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Didn't get the lyrics right or in the right fucking timing.
And it made me angry.
They could have got me up there and I would have done it way fucking better.
They'll know for next time.
I got to touch Winston and Jeff.
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So yeah, Winston went crowd surfing and cause they had that weird fucking shaped like stage
when he was like going back along like the barriers, he like had his hands out and was
like touching people as he went past him.
Cause I was right on the fucking barrier for the whole fucking night, mind you at 35 years
fucking old, I suffered for it, but I got to shake his hand on the way past.
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And I was like, I'm touching myself tonight.
And then yeah, Jeff came past the guitarist and I touched him too.
Look at you.
I had a fangirl moment, whatever.
Yep.
We have them.
It happens.
Fucking A.
I had when I met Johan from fucking the modern math, saw him in Queen street mall before
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the gig.
He was doing some fucking sightseeing and shopping and I walked straight past him and
I was like, fuck that guy was tall.
I like turned back around and was like, sweet baby Jesus.
So I went back out to him.
I was like, dude, you're Johan Hague.
And he's like, yeah.
Yeah.
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That's good.
Anyway, I don't think I've got any other music to talk about.
I don't think it's just those two songs have been fucking dominating my listening time.
Now, look, I've been listening, like I said, the same stuff.
It was only today that started listening to some different sort of things.
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So yeah.
Not bad.
Good size.
Nice Gary.
Nice.
Nice.
Nice.
Nice.
Next week.
I don't know.
Whatever your original idea was for tonight.
Oh, I had to.
I forgot what the second one was and I wanted to do the second one before this one, but
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I guess we're just going to have to do this one now.
Again.
Way to do family and mental health.
Go fuck yourself.
Yeah.
I'm not looking forward to it, but we're going to do it.
It's been decided.
The gods have willed it.
So look forward to it.
Public service announcement for my family members who are currently watching this episode.
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Do not watch next week.
Get ready for a long two hour episode, a lot of trauma dumping and a lot of days.
I don't know.
We'll work something then.
It'll be exciting.
It'll be like, this episode will start.
It's like, you got anything to talk about family?
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No.
My dad was a cunt and now I like him.
The end.
That's all you get.
I don't know.
Maybe we'll change our mind before next week comes.
Anyway, thank you very much for tuning in this week.
Thanks for listening and we're going to see you next week.
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Remember it's okay to be.
Richard that.
It's okay.
Not like to speak.
See you next week guys.
Reach out to someone.
It's important.
Bye.
Reach out and touch somebody.
Just like Critchin.
Critchin.
I'm done.
All right.
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Bye.
I'm cooked.
I'm done.
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What's going on everyone?
Welcome to this week's episode of the Pain in Our Head podcast.
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Excited for this week's episode actually?
Cause it's close to home for you.
That's brutal.
We haven't even made 30 seconds yet.
Yeah, there's going to be a record.
Well done.
Yes, this week's episode, episode 35.
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Wow.
It's just, the number just keeps going.
It's amazing.
That happens.
Hey, that's what happened.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Amazing, right?
This week finally.
How high it worked like that.
Oh no.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Finally you could grow in your 20s and your 30s.
Anyway, this week we're going to be talking about bullying and mental health.
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Surprise, cause we didn't know that we were going to be talking about this until this
morning.
Yeah.
Caleb's like, I've got a really good idea for this afternoon.
And I was like, yeah, that's cool, but what about bullying?
Cool.
Let's do it.
So here we are.
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Yeah.
We're going to talk about that.
And then I got some music to talk about.
We always do.
I know you do.
Cause there's a new song that came out.
I'd say you'd probably might mention.
Yeah.
Pretty sure you sent me something about a new song by, I can't remember now.
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I'll have to look it up.
But I have plenty to talk about.
So, yeah.
Oh, windrose.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The new windrose song.
Yeah.
That's right.
Talking about that.
There's plenty of other stuff I want to talk about too.
So yeah.
Cracking, crack on, have a chop.
What's going on this week?
It's Wednesday.
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We don't record on a Tuesday.
Tuesday has become our usual day to record.
But we've both just been, we've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've been working on it.
We've both just been so slammed emotionally, physically and mentally.
And just, so we just had to push it back till today.
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So here we are.
It's Wednesday.
Hmm.
So since last episode, I guess, I had a fucking count of a week.
An absolute emotional roller coaster of a week.
I got just bent over and emotionally raw doled like three days in a row.
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And then on, it was like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then Friday I went to Parkway
Drive and I entered that pit with some shit to deal with.
And it was a good fucking night.
I thoroughly enjoyed the shit out of it.
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It was an amazing concert.
Fucking.
And then it took me the whole weekend to recover.
Yeah, fair enough.
Because I'm not as young as I used to be.
It's a big show.
They have, there was four acts, including Parkway.
So yeah, huge, huge production.
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Yeah, from what I've seen, obviously I didn't get to see them, but two people very close
to me got to go.
So I've heard all about it and amazing, just amazing.
Some of the stuff.
So yeah, not enjoyed the shit out of it.
So that was good.
And then I spent the west of the west of the weekend recovering and playing games with
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you.
Surprise, surprise.
I don't even remember.
Every day is just blended into one.
Yeah, uh, void vision.
They played, you like them?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did.
Actually, I had never ever heard of them before and they, they opened up and I was just like,
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oh, yeah, it's pretty fucking good.
Pretty good.
Yeah.
And it was, I don't remember what the order was with the ghost inside or I prevail.
They were the other two openers.
Yep.
And fucking, I prevail was first, I think.
And then it was ghost inside.
Yeah.
Okay.
Right.
Interesting.
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I really fucking enjoyed, I prevail.
Yeah.
Look quite jealous of that because I think I would have really liked to have seen them,
but I've seen, seen void of vision by accident.
I was the same, never heard of them before.
And then I went and saw Amity probably 18 months, almost two years ago now.
They're coming back.
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Yeah, they are coming back.
Yeah.
I thoroughly enjoyed.
I really like Amity to be honest.
Yeah.
I like Amity.
Like they got a few real bangers, but I don't know if I'd go and see them.
I hadn't heard much of them or much of their music until I'd actually seen them in concert.
And after I'd seen them in concert, I was sold and I binged them for a good couple of
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weeks after the concert.
But yeah, void of vision were really good too when they opened for them.
So yeah.
Let's look at who they've got opening for them.
Yeah.
Hmm.
I wonder where they're coming.
King Parrot's coming again.
Oh yes.
Yep.
Last time I saw King Parrot, we opened for King Parrot and I got blackout drunk and got
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turned into a meme.
So not sure if I feel like going back to see King Parrot again.
It's embarrassing.
You got turned into a meme for your birthday too.
Yeah, I didn't tell you.
Yeah, I did.
That was really good.
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That's like borderline bullying.
Yeah, we'll address that later.
Oh no, it's sort of fun the same way.
Yeah, no, it's good.
Well, we are, because we're going to chat about that.
We're going to chat about the drawing the line.
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Where is the line when you're, I guess, when you're hanging shit on your mates.
Where is the line, Caleb?
We don't have one.
We don't have one.
There isn't a line.
It doesn't matter when or where, there's no good or bad time or place, it just happens
and the other person just has to deal with it.
The only time that I reckon we've never bullied each other is when dogs have been involved.
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That's like the only time there's a break.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Even that it's like a fucking, you get like a 24 hour window where I'm not going to say
something mean to you.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, exactly.
Other than that, no.
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Pretty sure I was being bullied within like a couple of hours of being out of fucking
hospital.
Like, you know, I'm pretty sure I was being bullied while I was on the mental health ward.
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
You wake up in the morning and you get a message from me and like nine times out of ten, you're
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getting bullied before you've even gotten to work.
You've even had a coffee in the morning.
Yeah.
And yeah, that's good fun.
I'm brushing my teeth in the morning listening to Caleb abuse me.
Sucks to suck, you little bitch.
Crawl me a river.
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Yeah, it's very good.
But yeah, all it looked bullying.
It's just one of those things.
Everyone's gone through it, surely.
You'd have to say there was a percentage, it'd be pretty close to 99%.
You'd have to be pretty lucky if you went through your life and didn't get bullied from
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someone.
I don't know.
You know?
I don't know how it was when you went to high school, but when I went to high school, there
was definitely like the cool kids.
Oh, yeah.
Those pricks didn't get fucking bullied.
Probably not.
I don't know.
I was not, I wasn't close enough to them to know if they did or not.
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I was never the cool kid.
No, not at all.
Still not.
Not even my mum thinks I'm cool.
I think you're pretty cool.
For a loser.
That's good.
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That's good.
Yeah, so anyway, bullying.
What the hell is bullying?
That, like go back 15 seconds and go, that's bullying.
You piece of shit.
That is a pretty good example.
Yeah.
No, it's not.
Well, it's not.
It's not just playing around, harmless fun.
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That was probably harmless fun.
It's when it happens.
The other person takes it.
Yeah.
It depends how often it happens too.
So when it's like 20 times in a night within an hour, that's probably bullying.
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Yeah.
Because I like it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the thing.
There's a time and place.
If you're doing it to someone out of malice to hurt their feelings or make them feel like
shit, that sort of thing, then that's obviously where it comes down to.
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If it's intentional, unintentional, whether it's friendly or harmless.
So yeah.
There's also too, like I said though, it also depends on how the person receiving it reacts
to it, like you may think that you're having a bit of harmless banter with someone and
they may think that, fuck you, you're a bully.
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I've been in that situation before where I've made a bit of a joke at somebody and they've
taken serious offense to it.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
Oh shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think sometimes when that happens, you're pretty quick to admit that you were trying
to joke around and all that sort of stuff.
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Yeah.
But sometimes you can say stuff without thinking about the consequences and that's what happens.
So lots of different types of bullying too.
It's extensive.
Cyber bullying, that's physical bullying, emotional, verbal.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I should have done, I didn't even think of this.
I should have pulled up my website.
I had to make a website in university as like a-
Dekonmi.com.
Yeah.
It's just a picture of you with your fucking hair down, looking all sad.
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Don't bully me.
I'll come.
Shit.
We are the worst people to talk about bullying.
Yeah.
I don't know why you suggested this.
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Because I really experienced it.
Both sides of it.
Both sides.
I just want to rehash this.
This is not a laughing matter.
No, it's not.
No, it's very serious.
Yeah.
It hurts.
It fucking does, man.
I had to switch high schools.
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I went to a high school for my junior high, so year eight, nine and 10.
The bullying for me was that bad that I switched high schools for year 11 and 12.
I couldn't fucking do it anymore.
Twinsies.
Really?
Yeah, except mine was at the end of grade five.
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I had to move schools.
I did six and seven in a different primary school.
Yeah.
Yep.
Just because from pretty much first grade right through to grade five.
Yeah.
Sucked ass.
Yeah.
For me, bullying started probably year four, year five was when it started.
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Then yeah, it wasn't horrible in primary school.
It was just kids being kids, I guess.
Yeah.
Once it moved to high school, it was fucking disgusting.
Yeah, really.
I think I had it worse in my earlier years than I did in high school.
At the same time, when I got to high school, because of the traumatic experiences, I hid
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away.
I just kept to myself and avoided being in situations.
Dude, I spent every fucking lunch, every break at the library hiding.
I used to do that sometimes.
Every day.
Oh, really?
Every day.
Yeah, well, if I wasn't at the library, I was at the music building.
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Usually I spent most of my lunch breaks playing drums.
I was pretty lucky to do that.
Well, yeah, no, actually in uni, I was tasked with creating a website that was basically
like a go-to guide for bullying and what it is and what it does and the effects and all
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that sort of stuff.
I've done some research on it in the past.
I do, obviously, other than experiencing it firsthand, I've done a fair bit of research
on it as well.
It's probably one of my biggest fears as a parent is like, if my kids ever get bullied,
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I feel sorry for the other parent.
That took me a second.
I can't hit your kid.
No, but I'm going to hit you.
Yeah, man.
Yeah, it'll be a legitimate...
It's a legitimate concern of mine.
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Because of how bullied I was, I do not want my kids to fucking experience what I experienced.
I used to come home, year eight, nine and ten, I'd come home and during the day, they'd
spit on me, they'd spit on my bag, they'd get dead lizards and put it in my lunchbox,
they'd throw my bag up where I couldn't reach it.
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I had one dude pick me up by my shoulders because I was so small, pick me up and hung
me on the fucking bag rack and laid into me.
I couldn't fucking do shit because I was hanging by my fucking jacket.
Yeah, right.
It's like, yeah, I got the absolute snot beaten out of me on the fucking reg.
Yeah, shit.
Yeah, my kids go through that shit.
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Trigger some fucking bad times.
Definitely trigger some trauma there.
Yes, no, look, it's awful and that's physical.
So yeah, that's an awful thing to go through.
I can't...
See, that was one thing.
I never really got bullied physically.
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I was small, but I had good fight.
Still am small.
Fuck up.
If I get to Adelaide in a must-on and I'm taller than you, you will never hear the end
of it.
Ever.
When you show up, if you're like a fucking two millimetres taller than me, I'm going
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to kick you in the dick so fucking hard that for the entire three days that you are here,
you will be shorter than me.
By the way, Caleb's coming to Adelaide for three days.
Yes, yes, I'll be down in Adelaide for three days.
I think we should record a podcast while I'm down there.
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Probably a good idea.
Anyway, yeah, so I don't think I copped a lot of the physical, thankfully.
Verbally, socially though, socially biggest.
Oh yeah, like isolated and like fucking intentionally left out.
Well, yeah, and just this like spreading of rumours and all that sort of stuff.
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Yeah, that was everywhere for me.
I'm lucky that social media wasn't as prominent back when I was going through school.
Yeah, yeah, I would have been in some serious trouble.
I would have been, yep, absolutely.
But I do remember even a few small cases at high school, not to do with me, but I remember
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there were some people that did go through that and the whole school was not even formed,
but I think our grade, we've sat down and completely spoken to about it and the whole
thing.
So it's a tricky thing to navigate through as obviously the person going through it.
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If it's happening at school, it's tricky for the school and the administration and everyone
involved there to go through.
And then of course, the parents as well of the kid, it's not an easy thing to navigate.
My kid's an angel, he wouldn't do that.
Oh yeah, how many times have you heard that?
Fuck me.
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My kid's an angel.
It's like, well, why does my kid have a fucking black eye?
Your kid's an angel.
Why does mine have a black eye?
Yeah, right.
Go figure.
So yeah, it's terrible.
Embarrassing people in public.
I was going to bring up an embarrassing story a few weeks ago when we did embarrassment.
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I think I got picked on for a while for that too.
But yeah, different things like embarrassing people and spreading rumors and shit.
Yeah.
A lot of it too stems from just trying to maintain a position of power over the person
you're bullying.
It doesn't matter what mode of bullying it is, it all comes back to just trying to be
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dominant over someone else and using whatever it means, whether it be physical, emotional,
verbal, cyber bullying, all of it.
All of it is just trying to dominate someone else and make them feel less than you.
Yeah, yeah, that's it.
All you're trying to make yourself look cooler than others, trying to be a part of the cool
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clique or group or whatever.
You feel like you're going to get that because of the bullying.
Sometimes it doesn't stop at school, workplaces.
You think it would, right?
I've been in a lot of workplaces where I was like, I grew up, got out of school and I was
like, awesome.
Everyone's an adult now.
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Sweet, like here we go.
It's all good, but no, it still happens even in workplaces and things like that as well.
So it's not just children and teenagers, it happens with adults.
Yeah, more examples as an adult too, like sports teams and sports clubs too, they're
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fucking notorious for that shit, getting in their little cliques and that.
And then if you're not in that fucking inner circle, it's yeah.
And like you said, I had the exact same thoughts growing up.
Once I got into the workforce, I was like, cool, everyone's a fucking adult.
I'm the youngest generally, back when.
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Even now, I'm the youngest person out of all the loader operators.
Oh yeah, right.
You're like, yeah, cool, like, you know, not anymore, I don't think it, but you know,
back in the day you would have been like, I know everyone's older than me.
They're going to be more mature than me.
They're going to be chill.
Like, you're not going to cop the same shit.
And then it's just like, sweet fucking Jesus.
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A week later, you're like, damn, it's worse than high school.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
It is.
Yeah.
So it's never ending, can be never ending.
Hard to get away from.
Give them the old left, right, good night and sort it out.
Yeah.
You know, they say, you know, not the way, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But I tell you what, primary school, this is before I moved and it was grade five.
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And I think it was one of the big reasons why I did end up moving for my last two years
of primary school.
And there was this big guy and he used to pick on me for being short.
And one day I took it into my own hands.
I got in a shit load of trouble for it.
But yeah, no, we were in a couple stories, like in those blocks.
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I think it was like three levels or something like that.
We're in sort of the top level.
One day he was just going too far and we were near the window.
And there were sort of those windows that opened like outwards, like from the bottom
up.
Yep.
And yeah, one day I just went, right, that's enough.
You've pushed me way too far.
So I grabbed him by the scruff and held him up against the window and was pretty much
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like, talk to me again and I'll let you go.
I pulled him back in, threw him on the floor, got sent to the bloody principal's office.
Never looked at me ever again.
Funny though.
Not a look, not a look, not a, yep, no, yep.
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So yeah, it's stupid that it would have to get to that point.
You know what I mean?
Because teachers had already been told about it and all that sort of stuff, but nothing
was getting done.
So I think the lesson there is it's really important to jump onto these things when it's
early, on the early days and try and get it hushed out before something like that happens,
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before it gets too out of control.
And someone does something that they're going to regret or someone gets really hurt or gets
hung up on a bag rack and beaten the shit out of it.
Thank you.
I'm going to do that to you now.
I'm going to find somewhere to hang you up.
You're going to have to be able to reach me first.
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Two centimeters.
If I'm shorter though, I'm in trouble.
Oh no.
We're going to be the same height.
We'll be exactly the same height back to back.
It'll just be, we'll be bigger in important ways.
Yeah.
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Well, big gut.
Anyways, yeah, you don't eat.
I'll show you.
Why'd you feed me when I come down to Adelaide?
I don't feed myself.
Why would I feed you?
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You're on the Christian diet, will you?
Fucking ice coffee and fucking cigarettes.
Oh shit.
Caffeine and nicotine at breakfast to the champions.
Nice.
That's why you don't bully people because then they become caffeine and nicotine addicts
when they're older.
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Yeah, that's exactly right.
Well, that's it.
Bullying is like bullying during school and high school generally leads people to anxiety
and depression and other mental health disorders.
You might think it's just a little bit of, it's a rite of passage kind of thing.
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It's like everyone gets bullied a little bit.
It was like, but what they don't realize is that bullying can lead to lasting fucking
damage and effects that follows people into adulthood.
I know I was an absolutely horrible piece of shit when I got out of high school.
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When I switched high schools, I went from being very quiet and very, very emotional
to just being outright fucking hostile.
It stuck with me for probably a solid five or six years before I finally got myself under
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control where I was like, okay, look, no, I'm actually, I'm better than this and I'm
currently quite a piece of shit and had to like go back and figure out why I was so fucking
angry at everybody.
Yep.
Well, that's it.
It can be, it can have a long lasting effect on you and not just an immediate one.
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So no, you're right.
Like, you know, you can form some serious depression, anxiety, all that sort of stuff.
I think the thing that can be really tricky with it, especially while it's happening,
cause I just started watching this TV show I just mentioned to you before we started
recording Pantheon.
Anyway, the main chicken that I'm only like first episode, but it's really, really cool
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scene.
The chicken that gets bullied, right?
So this whole thing of bullying makes you feel alone.
It's so true.
So true.
And the TV show represents it really, really well.
It's not as easy as just asking out for help because it's not that easy.
You know what TV doesn't fucking represent bullying well?
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You know what?
TV show fucking 13 reasons why.
Oh yeah.
We're not going to, we could, yeah.
I'm, yep.
I'm just going to have the worst fucking series for mental health.
I'm going to leave that.
Yeah.
But not a, not a fan, not a fan.
Anyway, tell me that you can't do this.
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This did it really well.
It really did.
The whole thing of feeling alone, stressed and humiliated and ashamed, you know, they
went to try and reach out and they were in the middle of typing a message out to a loved
one saying that things aren't going well.
I need help.
Rata rata.
And then in the middle of that, they get some social media cyber bullying and they feel
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like crap and then they delete their message to the loved one.
And send it and end up sending a message instead saying everything's fine.
Everything's going really great.
And that's like the complete opposite.
But I just thought it was a really perfect interpretation of how it really is when you
are getting bullied and when it is so consistent, when it is so much as well.
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So that kind of like brings up another important point too, like, you know, feeling alone and
isolated when you're being bullied.
It's super fucking important that if you're a bystander in bullying, if you don't fucking
do anything about it, then you're just as bad as the bully in my opinion.
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If you witness someone being bullied and you don't try to intervene or at the absolute
minimum talk to the person being bullied after it happens, fuck you.
You're just as fucking responsible as the person doing the damage because you're just
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letting it happen.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
It's almost as good as egging it on.
You may as well be standing right next to the guy doing it, whoever doing it, cheering
them for bullying that person.
So yeah, it's terrible.
Absolutely terrible.
And of course, like all these things we talked about, you can develop depression, anxiety
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rata rata.
That's what gets you to feel like you are alone and you don't have anyone.
And then when you start getting those sort of thoughts, you can even potentially move
into that self harm kind of realm and even further.
And so it's awful, awful stuff.
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Very traumatic.
Very traumatic.
Yes.
I hate it.
Yeah, look, it's shit.
There's no way that you can't sugar coat it.
It's crap.
It's the same sort of stuff.
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I think with bullying, the biggest thing or the best thing you can do is to talk to someone.
You need to.
You need to.
That's not easy though.
Like I was just saying before, it's not that easy sometimes.
No exactly.
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Especially if it happens when you're young, especially if you're a fucking dude, you don't
want to go and talk to someone because that's a lot of the time you think to yourself, you're
like, oh, that's weak.
I just need to toughen up.
I need to do something about it myself.
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And it's like, no, it's not weak to speak.
Go fucking talk to someone.
Be like, hey, look, I'm really fucking struggling right now.
This is what's happening.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
No, I think that's just the best thing to do.
Absolutely.
And if you don't feel like you have anyone around, there are plenty, plenty of hotlines
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and services out there now.
I think most high schools these days have either A, a school counselor, B, a fucking
school chaplain.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm pretty sure like we did and you know, and I'm sure you did and that was yonkiedoodles
ago.
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So they've probably got heaps, heaps of resources like that now.
So just because you go and talk to someone too, it doesn't mean like, you know, you
know, they're going to go and fucking sort the problem out.
No, like or confront the person that's doing it.
It's like, it could just be giving you that space that you need to get your feelings out
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there and approach it from a different angle or, you know, steer you in the right direction
towards these hotlines and so on.
There's plenty of things out there that you can call up and be like, this is what's happening
to me.
Yep.
What can I do?
Yeah.
I think too, like confronting the person that's giving you the hard time is not really the
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way to go because that just feeds their addiction.
You know, they're getting a reaction.
I've been told that avoidance is usually the better way to go about it, even though I'm
usually I go the other way.
You know, I want to go and confront and I want to perk up and I want to throw hands.
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That's not the way to probably do it.
Sounds fun though.
I'm a fucking shocker for it.
Like, I'm very confrontational when it comes to stuff like that.
And it's like, if I feel like you're doing something against me, then I'm going to fucking
call you out on it.
I used to be the opposite.
I used to be very, very quiet.
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And it's like, you know, people would fucking bully me and I'd just be like, oh, yeah,
yeah, that's fine.
Now it's like, what'd you fucking say?
And then I respond with you heard me.
Did I fucking stutter?
Hit you with all the good ones.
I love that one.
I fucking love it.
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Yeah.
So when you say something to him, like, what'd you fucking say to me?
It's like, did I fucking stutter?
Why not?
Turn your hearing aids up, listen fucking closely, I said.
We're not supposed to be giving lessons on how to bully someone.
That's not bullying, it's standing up for yourself.
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No, this is true.
This is true.
Stand up for yourself.
Yeah.
Anyway, that's it.
That's it.
That's all I've got.
Bullying sucks if you're going through it.
If you've got someone that's going through it, you know, we've spoken about what it
kind of looks like and a few things you may be able to help.
And yeah, that's it really.
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That's all I've got on it.
It's tough, tough topic, but yeah, treat it, of course, treat it lightly.
Like, yeah, that's, I think that's the best way to go about it.
Yeah.
And like we said at the start too, like you need to know when it's okay to bully certain
people because everyone's, everyone's different.
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Like Caleb and I bully each other all day, every day.
There's no stopping.
It's just an eternal train of pain.
It's just, I'm a fucking abuse you to you love me.
It loves me a lot and it still happens.
You crave more.
You keep him keen.
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That's it.
That's wrong.
But no, in all seriousness, no, like, you know, I, the way I talk to Caleb is not the
way that I'm going to talk to everybody.
You need to, you need to like find where your happy balances are.
And not everyone responds to bullying friendships.
Like some people are very sensitive to it and that's fine.
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There's nothing wrong with that.
So you just need to learn what you can and can't get away with, with different people.
Yep.
Just going to know who's who in the zoo.
And the apex predator or a gazelle.
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They some faster than you still haven't caught me.
You're a monkey.
He's fucking throwing shit.
We're both monkeys throwing shit at each other.
There's enough of this.
Yep.
Quick break.
Now we talk about some music.
We'll be back in just a moment.
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Back to the show.
Welcome back to this week's episode of the Pain in Our Head podcast.
As always, thanks for listening.
Thanks for tuning in.
We do appreciate it.
We do.
I do.
Yeah, no, I do.
Seriously.
I think we hit 50 streams on our first episode.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.
I think that happened last week.
Probably.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's still got the most, but no, look, we really do appreciate it.
So if you're a new time listener, because I know there's a few people that have told
and that have listened to recent episodes, so thank you for listening.
And if you're someone who has been listening from the start, thank you.
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We appreciate it.
All with you.
Why do you enjoy this?
I get like a message every fucking Monday morning from my grandmother.
Yeah, that's amazing.
I thought it was a really good episode today.
I liked that one.
Or it's like, what was yesterday, Monday, she was like, oh, that was a really good episode.
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Like, no wonder you're so tired all the time.
And I'm like, what we even fucking talk about?
I don't remember.
And I was like, oh, work life balance.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Yes, I work a lot.
Have we made any changes since then?
No.
I had the weekend off.
I didn't work six days.
Yeah, yeah, well, that's good.
It's a start.
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No, it's been good.
We've been chatting about bullying.
So if you're interested in that, go back and have a listen.
If you're interested, don't be a prick.
Yeah, otherwise, yeah, work life balance last week, that was pretty good.
Nice, quick episode.
Let's have a chat about music.
I've been enjoying music this week more than I usually have.
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Well, I usually am.
I've been so caught up in life and everything.
And sometimes I get to a point where I'm just like, oh, I don't even want to listen to music.
I'm just not going to enjoy my now of it.
And it's been like that for a little while.
And that's depressing.
I get depressed.
I seriously do.
If I'm not enjoying music, I get depressed.
And I'm enjoying music this week.
So it's been good.
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Me too.
I always enjoy it.
If I get to a point where I'm not enjoying music, there's something really wrong with
my head and I'm in a really bad place.
Well, that's exactly right.
So I guess maybe I've been in a bit of a rut.
But yeah, enjoying it, back to enjoying it.
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It's been really good.
Yeah, get that on the big jobs.
Who's supportive?
I've been still binging the shit out of see this new album, loving every song, slowly
learning every single bit of the words.
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Really good.
But today, we were sending each other back to back videos of us singing today.
We have those days every couple of weeks where we just smash each other with videos of us
singing.
I reckon about once a week.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's come that one day where it's like one of us will send just the right fucking
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singing video and it just triggers it.
And you're just like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Yeah.
It's just back to back.
So no, we were doing that and I thought, oh yeah, I'm going to send you a little bit of
a video friend like you about Blissiness because I know you really like the song.
So I obviously, I punched that in and then listening to that.
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And after that song finished, Spotify likes to do just a random shuffle of like kind of
that style and genre and same artists.
And it was throwing bangers at me today.
Just like Aussie hip hop, Blissiness or Hilltop Hoods, Draft, Seth Century.
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What else was I getting today?
Da Fig Jam by Sticky Fingers.
Oh yeah.
Have you heard that?
What a song.
I told you about that song.
I've known about that song for years, years.
I used to listen to it back when I was a teenager.
But I haven't heard of it for ages.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
Great song.
And that's in the playlist.
Yeah, I am.
I'm going to.
Yeah.
Yeah.
FIG JAM by Sticky Fingers.
Queensland Band.
Yes.
I think he operates under Evil Eddie now.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Yeah.
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Okay.
Either he was Evil Eddie before he did Sticky Fingers or did Sticky Fingers and now he does
solo stuff as Evil Eddie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
Okay.
It's not a Queensland song.
Yes.
Which is also a banger.
I know the one you're talking about.
It's literally called Queensland, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yep.
I've heard it.
(41:31):
No, really good.
So he was throwing bangers at me today and.
Oh shit.
Yeah.
Hmm.
All right.
It's music related.
Yeah.
Great.
Oh, I just got a notification from Spotify because I've got the app that We Came as Romans
performing on Friday the 19th, November the 15th.
Oh.
Yeah, right.
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Hmm.
I like their Taylor Swift cover.
Yes, that's right.
I was trying to think if I know one of their songs, that's on the playlist.
Yeah, I think it is.
Yep.
I knew you were trouble when Taylor Swift.
Yeah.
Done by We Came as Romans.
Hmm.
Yeah, no, I enjoy that.
Yeah, so I know, enjoying music this week, especially the Aussie hip hop I was today
(42:16):
anyway.
A couple of songs that come to mind if I'm talking regarding bullying, bullying, Youth
of the Nation by POD.
Mark me, right?
Good song.
Great song.
(42:37):
Yep.
Really like POD.
A couple of their songs.
So that's a really good song.
And obviously Pumped Up Kicks by Foster the People.
Yeah.
Funnily enough, similar messages.
Oh.
Evil Lady came before Butterfingers.
(42:58):
Sticky Fingers.
Is it Butterfingers?
Why do I think it was Sticky Fingers?
Sticky Fingers is a band.
Triple J were smashing on forever.
Yeah, Butterfingers, that's right.
Yeah.
Whenever I hear that name too, I always think of Salad Fingers.
You remember that?
If you haven't seen it, if you've got no idea what that is, look it up on YouTube.
(43:20):
Yeah, Salad Fingers.
It's a video.
There you go.
He took a break.
So it was 2001 to 2009, Evil Lady.
Sorry, 2001 to 2009 was Butterfingers and then he took a break until 2017 and then he
still going as Butterfingers.
Yeah, right.
Cool.
(43:40):
So.
There you go.
POD, Youth of the Nation.
Fuck me.
Wasn't that a banger when it first came out?
Absolutely.
And really strong.
It doesn't really.
It doesn't sort of play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play a role.
It doesn't play into Australia as much.
(44:01):
No, it doesn't.
We don't have school shootings.
No, no we do not.
Sorry.
Not going to make any jokes about school shootings even though there's a billion out there.
But anyway.
Sorry to our American listeners.
We don't mean to.
We don't mean to bring up any trauma if we have.
(44:21):
I apologize.
But yeah, no, we don't.
So it doesn't really apply to us over here.
But the whole bullying side of it.
But yeah, that's what those songs are about.
Yeah, bullying and then pushing someone to that point.
Yeah, terrible.
But great songs.
Really good songs.
Done really well.
Both those ones that I mentioned.
Yeah.
(44:42):
Yeah.
I pumped up kicks.
Jazz got blasted over the radio.
That was super popular.
Yeah.
Good song.
Yeah.
Great song.
Great song.
What else was I talking about today?
360.
360.
I asked you about it and you said, yeah, you hadn't really known too much.
(45:05):
But yeah, do a 360.
Do a 360.
You sick lad.
I'm a fucking comedic genius.
Yeah, I mean, I would have said autistic, but yeah, sure.
360.
It was popping up today and I just, what gets me is the album Utopia.
(45:30):
It came out in 2014.
Wow, so 10 years ago.
No way.
That's crazy.
It was really good.
It was done really, really well.
It was full of the times.
It was really popular.
He had about six hits from it or something, I reckon.
And it was really, really good.
(45:51):
I'm trying to find the stats because that's all I remember from 2014 was those songs.
I don't even remember 2014.
Oh yeah?
Yeah, yeah.
Why is that?
Why don't you remember 2014?
Fucking don't.
It was a long time ago.
It was a long time ago.
Yeah.
(46:11):
It was.
10 years ago, I was fucking 25.
Yeah.
I don't remember what I was doing at 25.
No, no.
I think I met Kim.
What a fucking mistake that was.
Yeah, well, yeah.
(46:33):
So anyway, that was a really cool album.
That was like that hit.
Music position was two on the Aria albums charts.
So yeah, it did really well.
Anyway, I just wanted to get my two cents in there.
It's not really that interesting.
If you haven't heard 360, go listen to some of his stuff, especially the Utopia album
(46:54):
because there's at least six songs on there that are just top notch.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Yep.
Hmm.
My turn?
Yeah, yeah.
Have a croak.
What's been tickling your peagal?
I'm going to sing Body Bag by I Prevail.
Of course you're going to say that.
It's a good song.
(47:14):
Yeah.
It's a fucking great song and seeing it live, I was just like, because I'd never heard,
I've never heard of, but I don't think I'd ever listened to an I Prevail song.
I think I might've listened to like one or two on YouTube just to be like, oh, what's
this band about?
And I didn't, I didn't feel it.
And then when they came out and played, I was just so, it was pretty good.
(47:38):
And they played Body Bag and I was like, this is fucking amazing.
And like one of the, one of the bonuses, I guess, of, of being a singer is like, you
tend to pick up on lyrics quite swiftly.
So like they played the song and by the end of the song, I knew what to sing.
(47:59):
I was just fucking like at the top of my lungs.
I was just like, fucking living my best life.
And then, so yeah, I enjoyed the shit out of that.
And the other song was, I feel like it was, yeah, Engine 45 by The Ghost Inside.
(48:21):
I think I've heard that.
Really good.
Really, really good.
And that was another thing that I hadn't listened to The Ghost Inside and I saw them and I was
like, this is fucking sick.
I'm enjoying this.
And then, yeah, they played that song and I was just like, oh damn, oh damn.
(48:42):
Very, very good song.
I don't have any cool statistics or fucking interesting things to tell you about either
of those songs, except that they were really fucking good live.
Live music's amazing.
Yeah.
Actually, I'm going to try and be near about live music.
You know who, randomly, I actually wouldn't mind going to see live.
(49:07):
This is going to surprise you.
It's a pop singer.
I would like to see you live.
I'm going to see you live.
Very excited.
Very angry, just looking on stage.
I'd just laugh, to be honest.
I'd be there in the corner.
I'd be there in the corner laughing my ass off.
You fucking would not be.
You would be center stage.
(49:28):
You fucking give me corner shit, you'd be center stage.
And if you weren't, I would walk off the stage and plant you in front of the stage so that
I could put one foot on your shoulder and do the fucking vocals.
I'm not using the fucking foldback speaker to stand on.
I'm using your fucking shoulder.
Yeah.
(49:49):
And then I can also give you the mic and be like, sing for me, daddy.
Give me your best fucking metal vocals.
Yeah, no, but yeah, it's a pop singer.
Katy Perry.
Yeah.
(50:10):
Well, that was me too.
Yeah.
And then she-
You just want to see it for our assets.
No, no, actually, no, for the first time in my life, no.
She performed for the Australian.
That's right.
The AFL grand final.
(50:32):
Australian football is where I was going with that.
Yeah, the AFL grand final.
And pop acts that I've seen and any ones that I've even seen on TV, they all use backing
tracks, right?
Fair enough.
They sing half of it, half of it's lip synced, blah, blah, blah, blah.
That's fine.
That's what pop music is.
That's what the performance is.
So be it, whatever.
So that's what I was expecting, right?
(50:53):
I was expecting it to be pretty much just over the top performance show with just backing
track and rata rata.
She sung it.
She sung the whole thing and I was blown away.
Just vocals were just unbelievable.
(51:14):
Just for live and raw, I just couldn't believe how great she sounded.
Didn't she sing raw as well?
Yeah, yeah, she did.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, she's sung raw, raw.
Yeah, it's raw sounding.
You're a show.
(51:35):
You watch this episode.
She's coming to Australia to do a tour.
She's not coming to Adelaide.
How's this?
She's going to Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Perth.
What?
Not going to Adelaide.
She knows I'm here and she'll fall in love with me.
She's avoiding it.
Be me, the creative.
Just be like, fuck it.
(51:56):
Oh yeah, here we go.
Anyway, no, I seriously, off the back of watching that, I could hear like, you know, there'd
be little mistakes, like tiny mistakes that she made just when you're doing a performance
live.
But I love that.
Like that's raw emotion.
And look, it was just fantastic.
And I have a feeling that seeing an actual live show of hers would be pretty good.
(52:21):
See, I do enjoy a little bit of a fucking little bit of a whoopsie daisy on a live performance,
but the lead singer from I Killed the Prom Queen was at the, cause he's from Adelaide.
(52:43):
So he was at the Parkway Drive concert and they brought him out for Boneyards, which
is like right fucking up there for me.
Like that's one of my favorite Parkway Drive songs.
And he didn't fucking sing it right.
(53:05):
Didn't get the lyrics right or in the right fucking timing.
And it made me angry.
They could have got me up there and I would have done it way fucking better.
They'll know for next time.
I got to touch Winston and Jeff.
(53:25):
So yeah, Winston went crowd surfing and cause they had that weird fucking shaped like stage
when he was like going back along like the barriers, he like had his hands out and was
like touching people as he went past him.
Cause I was right on the fucking barrier for the whole fucking night, mind you at 35 years
fucking old, I suffered for it, but I got to shake his hand on the way past.
(53:49):
And I was like, I'm touching myself tonight.
And then yeah, Jeff came past the guitarist and I touched him too.
Look at you.
I had a fangirl moment, whatever.
Yep.
We have them.
It happens.
Fucking A.
I had when I met Johan from fucking the modern math, saw him in Queen street mall before
(54:12):
the gig.
He was doing some fucking sightseeing and shopping and I walked straight past him and
I was like, fuck that guy was tall.
I like turned back around and was like, sweet baby Jesus.
So I went back out to him.
I was like, dude, you're Johan Hague.
And he's like, yeah.
Yeah.
(54:32):
That's good.
Anyway, I don't think I've got any other music to talk about.
I don't think it's just those two songs have been fucking dominating my listening time.
Now, look, I've been listening, like I said, the same stuff.
It was only today that started listening to some different sort of things.
(54:54):
So yeah.
Not bad.
Good size.
Nice Gary.
Nice.
Nice.
Nice.
Nice.
Next week.
I don't know.
Whatever your original idea was for tonight.
Oh, I had to.
I forgot what the second one was and I wanted to do the second one before this one, but
(55:17):
I guess we're just going to have to do this one now.
Again.
Way to do family and mental health.
Go fuck yourself.
Yeah.
I'm not looking forward to it, but we're going to do it.
It's been decided.
The gods have willed it.
So look forward to it.
Public service announcement for my family members who are currently watching this episode.
(55:40):
Do not watch next week.
Get ready for a long two hour episode, a lot of trauma dumping and a lot of days.
I don't know.
We'll work something then.
It'll be exciting.
It'll be like, this episode will start.
It's like, you got anything to talk about family?
(56:02):
No.
My dad was a cunt and now I like him.
The end.
That's all you get.
I don't know.
Maybe we'll change our mind before next week comes.
Anyway, thank you very much for tuning in this week.
Thanks for listening and we're going to see you next week.
(56:24):
Remember it's okay to be.
Richard that.
It's okay.
Not like to speak.
See you next week guys.
Reach out to someone.
It's important.
Bye.
Reach out and touch somebody.
Just like Critchin.
Critchin.
I'm done.
All right.
(56:45):
Bye.
I'm cooked.
I'm done.
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