July 7, 2024 • 51 mins
This week on the Pain In Our Head Podcast, Christian turns into a Smurf while Caleb teases and they chat about different ways to work around feeling guilty. Listen in as they discuss and laugh at some guilty pleasure songs they admit to listening to.
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What's going on everyone?
Welcome to this week's episode of the Pain in Our Head podcast.
Today I am very glad to introduce Papa Smurf to the podcast.
It's Smurfette.
Very glad to have you here.
It's Smurfette.
Well, very glad to have you here nonetheless.
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What's been happening this week?
Talk us through the hair.
Spontaneous decision.
You don't have to go into mega detail.
Well, it's probably not the worst thing to go into really.
It's the basic white girl approach to mental health breakdown 101.
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Decided to fuck with my hair.
So here we are.
Had a bit of a bad streak of mental health over the last fortnight.
Pretty much culminated into a bad experience, I guess.
This is where we're at.
Yes, you went full.
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Full basic bitch.
That's the word for it.
Yeah.
Oh, it looks very good.
Yeah, it actually paid out in the end.
I decided on it and thought to myself, no, just fucking do it.
You've never dyed your hair a weird color.
When I was in high school, I went through the whole black hair, obviously.
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And that was the extent of it.
Actually, when I went to prom, I had blonde streaks in my hair.
Blonde streaks.
I've shown you that photo.
It's like 17 year old me with my streaks.
So that was the most out there, I guess.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's cool.
Take it off the bucket list.
Yeah, I think I might keep it to be honest.
I fucking like it.
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I was thinking about growing my hair long again.
Oh yeah.
If you do grow it long, then the blue will just stay at the bottom and black will come
through.
It'll be black and blue.
Very cool.
Just like my dick, black and blue.
Black and blue.
This week, well, first of all, welcome to the Pain in the Hair podcast.
We've already said that.
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If you're listening for the first time, we go over mental health topics.
We have a chat to each other, talk a lot of different shit, and then talk about some music
as well.
So that's kind of what we do.
Very excited to get this week's Under a Way.
We're recording a bit later again this week than what we usually do, but that's okay.
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I kind of like recording on an afternoon.
I'll look with a Tuesday streak.
Yeah.
Too far.
Yeah.
Tuesday.
Yeah.
Two for Tuesday.
Two for Tuesday.
Fuck Tuesday.
Two for Tuesday.
Domino's.
Two for Tuesday.
Two for Tuesday.
Two dollar pots.
Yeah.
Not anymore.
I don't know if anyone does two dollar pots on Tuesdays anymore.
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I feel like that's a really old thing that I used to partake in.
Think of the past.
You can't get anything for two dollars these days.
Thursday nights was like five dollar jugs.
Five dollar jugs.
Five dollar jugs.
Man, I spewed in a lot of gardens at the one place.
The Queenie, man, the Queenslander used to do fucking two dollar pots on Tuesday nights
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and Thursday nights was five dollar jugs.
So it was like Trashy Tuesday and Thirsty Thursday.
Thirsty Thursday, Trashy Tuesday.
Yeah.
When I was in Sodomy Squad, the band that I used to be in before Iron Wizards, I was
a bass player for them.
We had a song, bad song.
It's called Preemptive Rape Defense.
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It's about a guy that gets date raped by this chick.
And so he goes out the next night and preemptively date rapes her.
And it's like one of the lines is like, fuck yeah, Tuesday, let's get shit faced off to
spend my doll down at the local sinking piss up walk to Filthy Mole.
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I think that's how it went.
Okay.
Yeah, it's a bad song.
I think Tuesday is Dolday too.
I don't know.
I just like fuck yeah, Tuesday, let's get shit faced.
That just fucking cracks me up.
On a Tuesday.
Triple M do a two for Tuesday.
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That's pretty cool.
If I'm going, I don't listen to the radio, but if I have to, or I am listening to a radio
station, I usually do pick Triple M and they do two for Tuesday.
We'd make good radio hosts.
We would, but they'd either be a lot of editing because we swear way too much.
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We'd have to have someone in the room with us on a sensor button.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Actually, they just have a double kick for the sensor button.
It would just be going the whole time.
Yeah.
So yeah, but no Triple M, two for Tuesday.
I do enjoy that sometimes.
But they do no repeat.
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Oh, they do no repeat work days, it's every day.
But my favorite used to be almost acoustic Sunday.
I'm a sucker.
I'm a sucker for acoustic stuff.
Yeah, and I'm a massive sucker for acoustic things, especially if I like the song, and
it's stripped down.
I just like the raw part of the acoustics.
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You don't get that after the post-production, it's all been mixed and you're raw.
And yes, I said raw.
But it's a very common word in the mixing world, I guess, the producing world.
Even I have raw files.
Stripped down as well.
Yeah, stripped down.
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Sounds like a porno set, but it's just a fucking bunch of sweaty nerds in the mixing rooms
in the studio.
Yeah, I'm going to strip you down real good.
You're going to fucking deliver it raw.
It's like, whoa.
We do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mix the wet and dry and the raw all together.
Sometimes you can do that.
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So anyway, I am talking about mixing technicalities, I promise.
Adieu.
I'm not.
Oh, shit.
Excellent.
Sorry, I got sidetracked.
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I just noticed your hair matches the color of my chair.
And every time I look at my chair now, I'm going to think about you.
Yeah, great.
Last week, we mentioned that we were going to talk about guilt this week, and we didn't
really know what that looked like.
It turns out there's a bar-clone of stuff to talk about when it comes to guilt.
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So we're going to jump into that.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Yeah, so we're going to be talking about guilt, and I guess we'll just crack straight onto
it or as Pesterly would say, let's crack right on.
Was it in?
I don't know.
I like Pesterly.
He's an Australian streamer.
Pretty cool.
Go check him out.
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You're into video games.
Crack in, crack on.
Crack on.
So I guess the first part would be to talk about what actually is guilt.
What is guilt?
So the American Psychological Association, that's a fucking intimidating name.
That's a full, that's a mouthful.
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APA defines guilt as a self-conscious emotion, which it describes as reflecting on one's
self-worth or self-value.
It's characterized by a painful appraisal of having done or thought something that is
wrong and often by a readiness to take action designed to undo or mitigate this wrong.
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So essentially it's that feeling you get when you think you may have fucked up and you feel
real bad about it and want to do something to fix it.
If you don't feel guilt, you're probably a psychopath.
Not that you always are going to feel guilt, but in certain circumstances where you should
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probably feel guilty, if you're not feeling it, there might be a bit of something going
on.
A bit of disassociation, a bit of lack of humanity.
Lack of compassion.
It may not be guilt, you might feel shame.
It's not exactly the same thing as guilt, but it's very, very closely related.
Yes, which is also a negative self-conscious feeling.
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Shameful of your actions.
Yeah, when you feel shameful of the actions.
Guilt I think guilt can be, because we're going to go into it, but it's a little bit
both after action and before action, because I think shame is more just after action kind
of thing.
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Types of guilt.
Before I even started researching this, I didn't think that there was different types
of guilt.
I thought it was just guilt.
I thought guilt was guilt.
Feel guilty about something.
Yeah.
So, things like ethical guilt, where that's driven through internal ethical principles.
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So that's a lot of different things.
You can look at laws.
Laws are kind of a good example there.
You get taught right from wrongs, young age.
Don't steal the toy off the shelf.
It's an easy example to come up with, stealing.
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Don't steal from mom and dad businesses, but do steal from big corporations.
Oh yeah, go for gold there.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
I mean, is that even stealing?
Yeah.
So yeah, there's ethical guilt.
That sort of thing, that's an example.
Then you've got non-ethical guilt.
So it's kind of the opposite, obviously.
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It's non-ethical.
It's not about your moral compass, so we're not thinking about morals and things like
that.
It's more you're thinking about your concerns.
So you're thinking about the consequences of potentially doing something.
So you may not have even done something yet.
You may not have even, I don't know, maybe it's spending money.
Maybe you're supposed to be saving your money and instead you go and spend it.
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Or you're about to.
There's always that, I think everyone gets that, right?
You're about to spend money on something that you know you probably shouldn't be spending
money on, games.
I've never done that before.
And yeah, you get that feeling of guilt, like, I shouldn't be doing this.
Then you hit the pay now button anyway.
And before you know it, you download the game and you forget all about it.
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And a couple of days later, you're like, I shouldn't have bought this.
And you feel shame.
And then the last one, I didn't even know that this was a word, neurotic guilt.
Neurotic.
You've never heard of the word neurotic.
I mean, I've never used it.
I've never heard it used like with guilt.
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So that one was a little bit different.
But I kind of know when I was reading into it, I kind of understand it.
A good example there is feeling guilty for something that's not necessarily you had anything
to do with.
A good example is like, you're feeling if you're a child or just any, you don't have
to necessarily be a child.
But if your parents go through a divorce and you feel like maybe you're part to blame for
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that, you feel guilty for that where you may not have actually had anything to do with
it.
It was your fault because you got a big head.
I've got a very big head.
Yes.
Yes.
No.
That's a serious one.
Yeah, no, 100%.
I'm going to be honest.
How many kids have ever felt guilty over it?
I struggled for years.
Yeah, I did.
I really did.
And it wasn't until I honestly, it probably took me a good eight to 10 years to get past
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that guilt.
But I really did feel that for a good chunk of my younger life.
And yeah, it's a hard thing to work through.
It really was.
Especially the teenage years.
It was awful.
Yeah, my parents separated like twice before they actually got divorced.
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The first two times they separated, I definitely felt guilty and I felt that it was my fault.
Growing up, I had a pretty rough relationship with my dad.
So I felt like it was my fault that I'd driven this wedge between them.
But then they didn't divorce until they were older, until I was older.
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And by then I was really fucking angry and unstable.
I didn't give a shit.
I was like, eh.
I'm going to go dye my hair pink.
Yeah, so that's cool.
Different ways of guilt, different types of guilt.
Another common term, apparently it's common.
I've heard this one before, survivor guilt.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
That's common as shit.
Yeah.
In a car crash, you've got five friends in the car and you're the only one that lives
and then you get survivor guilt.
Oh yeah, yep.
Absolutely.
Even if you're not driving, you could be the fucking person just sitting in the right seat.
Yep.
Yeah, so lots of different situations.
Yeah.
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Even like, I think it was reading on here though, even saying things like pandemics.
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, people can maybe feel survivor guilt from that, different sort of things.
But yeah, there's a lot of different things that can come under that bracket.
So no, that's really cool.
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In terms of those different types, it can affect your mental health too.
So I guess that's what we're talking about it.
And if we talk about that neurotic guilt, that affected my mental health for a long
time and it's pretty obvious in the ways that it can do.
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So there's the self-worth, the self-esteem, causing low self-esteem.
And we've done a whole episode on self-esteem and self-worth as well.
Every time, man, every time.
That's all.
Yeah, self-esteem.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yep.
It's on the podcast playlist.
I'm pretty sure.
I hope it is.
I'll have a look tomorrow.
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Yeah, so you can have mental health repercussions from feeling guilt.
And it's something to be aware of.
Sometimes I think you kind of don't know or you don't feel like it's affecting your mental
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health as much as it potentially is.
Sometimes it can feel like it's just one of those things like, it's guilty, I feel shame.
And then with guilt and shame, it's something that you really don't want to ever address
or talk about or be completely open about because there is that shame element behind
it, especially if that event has happened.
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Yeah, I think too that tying it into how guilt can affect your mental health, that it can
also kind of mask how you are feeling.
So you may dismiss it as, I just feel guilty because this has happened and not actually
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realize that you're actually depressed as shit right now because you just think it's
guilt.
So it's a strong emotion and has the power to definitely mask other side effects of it
because guilt is a strong factor in early childhood depression.
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Yes.
So keep an ear out, keep an eye out for things like that.
Just because you feel like it's guilt doesn't necessarily mean that's the only thing that's
going on right now because chances are that you may be getting depressed with how guilty
you feel and that also needs to be addressed.
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Yeah.
We always talk about, I guess the spiral effect in mental health.
What we have in a lot of different episodes that we've talked about many different topics.
So there's something to be aware of, that guilt can spiral on some other things and
push some other things out of proportion.
Very important to keep track of the guilt, have a think about it.
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There's a few different ways from our research we've looked up.
This is a fantastic source to everyday health this article is on.
Written by Amir Shell, Lent Hirsch, medically revised by Seth Gillahan and published at
the end of last year.
So it's pretty recent.
But yeah, great stuff on here.
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I've even talked about ways that we can cope with guilt.
The first kind of thing they talk about is asking yourself what it is that you feel guilty
about and whether or not that event that led you to feeling guilty, whether or not that
was foreseeable.
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I think that's a really important part because if you're feeling guilty about something that's
potentially not within your control.
So we talk about those like the neurotic guilt and the survivor's guilt.
Those sort of things necessarily aren't really in your control.
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So that's something to really think about and take on board.
Not to say that those types of guilt aren't viable because they definitely are.
It's just a way of thinking that you kind of go, okay, well, maybe I don't have to feel
guilty about this.
So I think that's definitely a really good way of coping.
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I think it's important that when you're experiencing guilt, one thing to just keep in mind the
whole fucking time is don't be so hard on yourself.
And it kind of applies to all types of guilt.
It doesn't really matter if it's something that's out of your control, it's directly
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because of you.
We all make mistakes and the fact that you're already feeling guilty means that you're already
suffering for it.
So try to be a little less hard on yourself and don't beat yourself up so much.
Try to take it easy on yourself.
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Yeah, you experience the guilt, feel it out and work through it, but just try to go easy
on yourself.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's a really good point.
There's more to you than just the guilt and the mistakes.
Just like you said, everyone makes mistakes.
So just try and think about that.
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You're not a bad person and you shouldn't have to let that guilt consume you because
it will if you let it.
100%.
So after asking yourself all that and going through that, did you intend for it to happen
and if it was a mistake, fair enough.
Is there a way that I can move past it and realize that I make mistakes and I'm not such
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a bad person?
What can you do to repair the situation is something that they suggest as well in this
article.
Burn the bridges.
Yeah, burn all the bridges.
Fuck everyone.
Good, see the song.
Say that.
One of my favorite, top five.
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Burn the bridges.
Such a good song.
You would like it.
Like 100%.
Like my real dad, you can't tell me what I do and don't like.
You will like it.
You will actually like that song.
Good song.
Anyway, I'll be fast.
Great fucking song.
Add that one to the playlist.
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No, I'm not.
No, it's fine.
I've got a couple of songs I'm talking about already.
I've already added too much C though recently.
Next kind of part then is how can you repair the situations?
Think about if you cause someone harm, there's always a reaching out.
As I said earlier though, it's so hard to be honest about some shameful things, things
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that you may feel guilt about.
It's a fine line, but sometimes being honest can help releasing that kind of weight off
your shoulders as well.
If it does go not the way that maybe you would have liked, just remember, self-compassion
and acknowledge that you can forgive yourself may take time.
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Personally, the most memorable, memorable, memorable, rememberable, I was thinking about
Harry Potter, you know the remember, rememberal?
Remembrance.
No, the remember, rememberal.
You know the-
Oh, I remember all.
Yeah, I remember all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You've seen the first one, right?
I'm glad it's red when you forget.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know why I had that in my head when I was, I don't know why I said that.
Anyway.
I was thinking of Elden Ring Remembrance.
Oh, remembrance.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, when you kill the bosses.
I haven't seen that too many times.
Get good.
Anyway, yeah, so acknowledge, you know, forgive yourself.
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It's going to take time.
That's where I was getting with that.
Yeah, you know, it took me almost 10 years, I think, to get over some of the worst guilt
that I thought I had.
Fuck, that would have been like half your life.
Yeah, I thought.
That was the joke.
You're like 20.
I wish I was 20.
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You're right.
There's so many things I'd do differently if I could go back to when I was 20.
I know, right?
Yeah, I was thinking about it the other day.
Well, a lot of guys at work are around that kind of early 20 age.
And yeah, just fuck.
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20.
Hmm.
I don't know.
Like, I feel like for me, I'd want to go back to when I was.
I can live with a lot of mistakes early on in life.
But I feel like, yeah, like 21 onwards would be a good fucking time to go back to and just
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fix up between like 20 to 30.
Yeah, okay.
I'd probably go back further.
Yeah, see, like a lot of the things that went wrong early on, like I can fucking I live
with that shit.
I don't care.
I guess there's a really.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like in South Australia.
I think that's the wrong way.
It's a thought.
We've got blue hair instead.
I'm happy with that.
Fuck.
I'd feel so guilty.
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It's a really good example because I think I'd have to go back a little further because
I think there's still a lot of stuff in like the earlier years that may feel guilty about
or maybe I could have done it differently and I wouldn't have some guilt and I don't
know.
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Just a thought, it ties in, but I'm slowly getting over it.
Maybe like if I went back to the start of high school and started crying every time
someone tried to fight me, I just bashed them.
That may have made my life a bit better.
You feel guilty about giving them a free pass.
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Mind you, like, you know, year eight, me was an absolute twig of a kid.
I was highly strong.
So as soon as there was conflict, I was just waterworks.
Now there's not.
Now I'm highly strong and aggressive.
And blue.
Oh, good song.
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The Flume remix of it.
The Flume remix.
Yeah, that's a good remix.
Fucking banger.
Or the... gosh, I miss that song a lot.
Who's that?
Goddamn music producer.
Fucking did that song with Reba and they use that as a sample.
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I'm good.
Oh, you know who I'm talking to.
David Guetta.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yep.
David Guetta used the blue as a sample and put Reba on the track.
Fucking blew up on socials.
I don't mind his stuff, hey.
Yeah, some of it's alright.
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I've got...
I'm trying to think of a song.
I can't think of it, but there was one that I was obsessed with for a good while there.
No, not that one.
I can't think of it.
Anyway, we're side track.
I'm just under music now.
Yeah, yeah, we are super side track.
We do that.
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That's pretty much it.
So we're going with guilt.
I was just going to say as well, if you are struggling to get over the guilt or get past
or cope with the guilt, try to think there may have been some other alternative or some
other factors going on at the time.
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Because there's a lot of talk about how guilt and shame can shape a lot of our different
behaviors that can weigh on your mental health as well.
There's a lot of should I, shouldn't I, if I do this, what are the consequences going
to be?
So kind of think about what was going on at the time if you did make a mistake or you
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did do something that made you feel shame, made you feel guilt.
Maybe there were some other things going on.
Maybe there were some other mental health things happening.
If you were feeling a little bit upset, you were feeling a little bit depressed, you go
and dye your hair and then you feel guilty about it.
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So yeah, it could have been something else going on at the time is what I'm getting to.
It's important to note.
And also too, guilt can very much tie into insecurities, like what you were saying with
your choices and decisions and the consequences of those.
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So if you feel guilty about something, there's a strong chance that that will transfer to
an insecurity and that will affect how you react in certain situations.
So learning to process that guilt and address it early on before it does become an insecurity
and kind of roots itself in how you do react to things is very essential and ties back
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to one of our most important episodes on being self-aware.
So being able to reflect and address and move on from that guilt is very, very important
because guilt doesn't have to be forever.
Just because you made a mistake or something in your life changed and you feel guilty about
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it doesn't mean you have to feel guilty about it forever.
Process it and then try to move on.
It may come back to you every now and then, but try not to let it affect your life every
day.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Really well said.
Forgive yourself first.
It's the first step.
You can't expect others to forgive you if you haven't even forgiven yourself.
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Nice.
Yeah, we summed that up really well.
I honestly thought that was going to take a little bit longer.
Thanks for listening to guilt.
I suppose we've already started talking about music.
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We're going to talk about a little bit of music that I haven't listened to in a while
and I'm actually very excited to start listening to this again because I'm going to add it
to the playlist.
Okay.
You're not excited for the music chat.
I am.
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No, okay, great.
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Back to the show.
Welcome back to this week's episode of the Pain in Our Head podcast.
Great to have you on board.
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We have been talking about guilt in the podcast.
It's been good.
It's been a good chat about guilt and mental health, how it affects.
If you're just dropping in now, don't know why you would be, but go back and have a listen.
Skip the important part and go straight to the music.
These guys have got really good taste in music.
Let's just watch that part of it.
I mean, I probably would, but that's just me.
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Maybe we can start doing some little bonus episodes where we were like, you know, all
those like reviews that people do on music videos and stuff.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Music reviews.
Little ones.
Yeah.
That's going to be a real, isn't it?
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Good song though, let you cool boy.
So good.
So good.
So good.
Yeah.
I binged that.
Yeah, great song.
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We talked about it.
It's on the playlist.
It's on the podcast playlist.
Yeah.
If you're going, what the fuck are these guys talking about?
We're talking about a song on the playlist called Rattata.
Electric call featuring babymetal.
Babymetal.
Yes.
I don't hate babymetal.
There's so many gatekeepers in the community.
It's fucking stupid.
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It's real metal.
So I don't give a fuck.
The people that play the instruments in babymetal are really fucking good musicians and
it's metal as shit.
It does not matter if it sounds like a fucking anime theme song.
I'm still going to enjoy it.
That's why I like it.
Yeah, I'm here for it.
Anyway, yeah, let's move on to music.
As a former, so hey, check out our YouTube.
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If you're listening on Spotify or you're listening on Amazon or Apple music or the list goes
on listen, listen notes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Audible.
Yeah.
Check out the YouTube.
We got, we got some funky things going on there.
There's a few reels.
There's a few more reels that are going to go up of Christian doing some wacky stuff.
And so yeah, prepare yourself for that.
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This is now where we're talking about a few songs.
You go first.
I feel like I've gone and talked about my stuff like straight off the bat in the last
few episodes in the last couple of weeks.
So fill us in.
Do you feel guilty about going first all the time?
Yeah, I do.
I feel guilty that we waste people's like an hour of their life.
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That's probably why part one and part two of the insecurity episode doesn't have many
views because we didn't just waste one hour, we wasted like two and a half.
Yeah.
Those were good episodes.
They were good episodes.
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If you don't want to get two and a half hours of your life back, go and listen to those
episodes.
Anyway, go for it.
What's this song?
So mine is a band.
What's that song?
That I've spoken about once before in a very early episode actually.
Very early.
I don't know what it was called now.
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But anyway, I know it was one okay rock is the band and the song that I did choose originally
was Stand Out Fit In, which is amazing song.
Good song.
That's our image episode, wasn't it?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah.
Be yourself.
Yeah, be yourself.
That's it.
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But I was listening to them this morning actually and this song just jumped out at me and I've
been smashing it on repeat because it's amazing.
And I've forgotten the fucking song title what it's actually called now.
So it's great.
I know it's something about long fall.
So let's just quickly look at what it's called.
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It is Mighty Long Fall.
Thank you.
Mighty Long Fall.
Mighty Long Fall.
I heard a live version of it while I had a playlist going.
It was just like a giant stadium tour they did and I was just listening to it because
it came on.
I was like, oh yeah, these songs are pretty catchy to play some League of Legends too.
I really like hearing boppy songs while I'm getting my shit punched in.
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And yeah, this song came on and I was just like, oh this is fucking good.
Real good.
And particularly noteworthy I guess to really talk about it like lyrics wise or anything
is just a really catchy song that I enjoyed the absolute shit of.
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It's got a really nice voice.
The mix is really good.
It does.
Yeah.
In that song.
Really good in that song actually.
These vocals.
The drums.
It sounds really good.
And if you go watch the YouTube video, his drum kit looks sick.
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I didn't pay attention to it for once.
No, that's just me.
It's just my automatic.
I think I do it subconsciously now.
But let's do a song and just straight away, what are the drums doing?
If I'm watching YouTube or something like that and they've got something of them doing
it live or kind of live shot of the band.
Yeah, straight away.
Do you do that when you go to concerts as well?
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Do you just watch the drummer?
Yes.
Yeah, I'm terrible for it.
Hey, yeah.
Yep.
Straight away.
Just looking straight at the drummer.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I just think you do.
I suppose if you're a guitarist, you do the same thing.
Yeah, I was thinking I used to do the same thing with bass players.
I'd watch the bass player, see what gear they had too.
You're like, oh yeah, what sort of bass guitars he got?
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What amps he running?
What's his head?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just think it's something you do.
So that's cool.
Good song.
Really, I enjoyed it.
Yeah.
When you send it through.
So I can't wait to add that to the playlist and because I've been listening to the playlist
just a fair bit.
So it's been good to just because we've got so many now.
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I have missed a fair few weeks.
I got to go back and fix a few of them up.
But yeah, it's really good.
Yeah, I should probably, I've got a Spotify account.
I just don't use it because I use iTunes.
Yeah, right.
Did you know that I can add you as a collaborator?
I think I need to do that so that when I forget to add a song, you can add it.
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Okay.
Yeah, probably should.
I'm going to talk about a band that we've mentioned because I think we've mentioned
another band that a few of those members.
Oh, that's right.
We did.
We're a part of.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we've briefly spoken about Egypt Central.
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I haven't listened to that song in ages either.
No, I haven't listened to them in a while.
We were hyped as fuck over that.
We certainly were.
We talked about it.
I can't remember what episode.
I don't even know the name of the band.
No, I've forgotten the name of the band.
Anyway, Egypt Central, great band.
Were, because they're not.
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They are now, I think, if I remember right.
So they split up.
They started the other group, then they got back together, I think.
Yeah, okay.
I don't know.
It doesn't matter.
This song, this song came out in 2021.
Let Me Out.
I'm pretty sure it did.
Yes, released in 2021.
Let Me Out.
Let Me Out.
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Let Me Out.
You know, Rick and Morty.
Just don't acknowledge most of the things you say.
No, that's fine.
Hopefully, there's a Rick and Morty listener, a watcher out there, and they got the reference.
It's fine.
Anywho, yeah, Let Me Out by Egypt Central.
Just choose the worst references, though.
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You don't choose funny ones.
I don't know.
That's pretty funny.
It turns out it's Tiny Rick.
I know.
That's a great episode.
That's up there with my top five episodes of Rick and Morty.
Tiny Rick.
There's Pickle Rick.
Tiny Rick.
There's, and then there's three others that are up there, but those two are definitely,
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yeah, up there.
No, no, okay.
I'm just really big fan of Rick and Morty.
I am too.
I just don't think Tiny Rick.
Pickle Rick was great.
Oh yeah, Pickle Rick.
Great.
No, Tiny Rick is a good episode.
Impressive.
That's why it's so good.
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I've got enough depression in my life.
I don't need to get fucking sad watching something funny that's meant to be escaping me from
it.
Oh shit.
Anyway, yeah.
Let Me Out by Egypt Central.
Great song.
I remember when I first showed you a good while ago now.
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Great song.
It's got some awesome lyrics to it.
It's not brutal, not massively brutal, but it's good.
There's a good mix.
I was just amazed that someone else had heard of Egypt Central.
When you were like, I love this song and you sent it to me, it's like, dude, you know Egypt
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Central?
I was like, I fucking love Egypt Central.
Yeah.
They've got a few really good songs.
They've got a lot of really good songs.
There's a few that I really like.
I came across them driving to uni one day, a fair few years ago now.
I came across them when I was like 17.
Oh really?
Yeah.
There's a movie, The Condemned, where the prisoners get sent to the island and they
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got to survive.
It's like a death game.
Yes.
Yes.
I've seen that.
At the end of that movie, had Over and Under by Egypt Central.
I was like, what is this song?
This is amazing.
Because yeah, dumb ass didn't know you could just look at the fucking credits and find
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songs that they use there.
So I was like, you know, went on a real deep dive trying to find this song, found it.
And was like, fuck yeah.
Shazamed it?
No.
No, Shazamed wasn't a thing when I was 17.
Apps weren't even a fucking thing when I was 17, dude.
Yeah.
Okay.
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Well, Dinosaur with blue hair.
Wow.
I'm going to fuck you up as Sorus.
I haven't had one of those before, but it doesn't sound very nice.
I'm going to get you talking about this song.
It's a great song.
I'm going to add to the playlist.
It's got a really good mix, I feel like there's a good, good cleans, really good cleans.
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A lot of, I wouldn't say brutal screams, but there's some screams in there as well.
He's got good screams though.
He does have good screams.
They're what I would call like a clean scream.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tight.
They're good.
I was listening to it before and I noticed that in the mix, the scream actually is pushed
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back into the side a little bit, which is really cool way to blend an actual clean vocal
with a scream vocal.
So really cool.
That's a really cool part of the song.
What else do I like about the song?
I like the idea of how it sounds.
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It's very, there's another really cool song.
Yeah.
It's got that kind of clinger bound about it.
Like that kind of like, you know, gun sounding, Western.
Yeah.
Very Western feel to it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the word I was looking for, Western feel.
So that's a really, really cool element.
And I think it's kind of throughout the whole song.
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So cool song, great song.
I don't really need to go into what it's about.
I think it's really just about someone who's locked up.
Yeah.
But I haven't really dived into it.
From what I remember, like essentially I had a rough life growing up and then he killed
someone and he got locked up for it.
Yeah.
Off the top of my head, like from what I remember of the lyrics, I'm pretty sure that's how
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it goes.
And you know, dad disowns him and shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a bagger song.
It fits him with the guilt.
Yeah, true.
Yeah.
Yes.
Speaking of guilt, a guilty pleasure is The Reason by Hooverstank.
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We've all got guilty pleasure songs.
We do all have guilty pleasure songs.
Yeah.
I've got a lot of like really fucking shit songs that if you looked at me, you would
be like, he doesn't listen to that.
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Like Unsweetened Lemonade.
That's a fucking great song.
It's not a guilty pleasure.
That's a great song.
Fuck you.
That's on the playlist, isn't it?
I'm sure it is.
Yeah.
I've been listening to it.
It is a really good song.
I've actually thoroughly enjoyed it.
She's got a really good voice and I love the like the folk kind of music to it.
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It's fucking great.
I love the lyrics.
They're hilarious.
Yeah.
I fucked the Reaper.
My time was coming, can't you see?
I was either going to die at 12 or 93.
It's great.
Yeah, it's good.
Very intelligent.
And then like, you know, it switches over in the chorus.
It's like, I didn't die at 12.
So I guess I'm here till 93.
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Like, you know, it's fucking that's great.
I love that sort of shit.
Yeah.
Good songwriting.
What is like one of your, I know you got to talk about this one, but like what's something
that's super, super guilty pleasure that you probably wouldn't admit to people that you
listen to?
I'm trying to have a think now.
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That's probably one is the reason.
I don't think that one needs to be like a super guilty pleasure.
No, maybe not necessarily a super guilty pleasure.
There's probably a few Nickelback songs.
You know, there's definitely a few Nickelback songs, but I can't off the top of my head.
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I can't think of others.
I could think of like two off the top of my head.
And one of them would be Sailor V by Bewitched.
Okay.
That came out when I was in primary school, I think.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Nope.
I haven't heard that song.
It's like a bunch of like a girl band.
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It's like a bunch of Irish lasses.
Right.
You probably actually enjoy the fuck out of it.
Like you're going to have to listen to it after this, but it's a really good song.
And Hilary Duff.
Oh, you've told me that before.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I've heard some of those songs.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
They're all written by other songwriters.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, but, so it was just like the Hannah Montana.
Oh yeah.
Not me, but I know someone who-
She's probably the original Hannah Montana, really.
Yes.
Yeah.
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You're right.
Yeah.
Because I know someone who's their guilty pleasure is Hannah Montana.
Yeah.
And they were saying the reason why is because the songs and how they're written and the
chord progressions in them are actually-
Actually.
Quite good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they've used them or taken, I guess, taken from them to create their own music.
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So yeah, pretty cool.
Anyway, tell me why you like The Reason.
Again, can you give, do you have to give a reason for a guilty pleasure?
It's just, I don't know.
It just reminds me of like, cause it's about guilt or feeling guilty about, you know, doing
someone wrong.
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Bit of nostalgia as well.
Nostalgia.
Yeah.
You know, cause that song came out 14 years ago.
Fuck.
So I was 13.
I was 20.
13, 12, 12, 13.
Fuck.
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Anyway.
Yeah.
So I need a bit of nostalgia.
But that's like the, we were doing this song a little while ago.
We were trying to sing it to each other.
I think it's that song by 3OH.
Starstruck by 3OH3.
Yeah.
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That one's not my guilty pleasure.
I think the other one.
That's the other one.
Making me go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That one.
Yes.
Oh, Eminem.
I got a few guilty pleasure Eminem songs.
Yeah.
For sure.
Tell your boyfriend that if he's got beef, that I'm a vegetarian and I ain't fucking
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scared of him.
Good song.
I remember when that came out.
A long time ago.
I was like 10 when that came out.
Anyway.
Crazy.
You were 10 when it came out and now you're 12.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Such a long time ago.
All right.
Very good.
Good chat.
That's a good, we rattled off a fair few good songs there.
I don't even know what I'm going to add to the playlist this week.
I'm not going to add all of them.
I'll see how I go.
See how I'm feeling.
I'm going to update that.
I feel like, have you added, I'm sure I spoke about White Rabbit.
Yes.
Maybe.
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By Egypt Central.
I'm sure I spoke about it in one of our earlier episodes.
I think you did.
So if you haven't added that, you need to add it.
All right.
I'll add White Rabbit.
I will.
Yeah.
Awesome.
All right.
Well, thanks for listening to this week's episode.
Next week, we're going to talk about, I thought you were going to chime in there.
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No, I forgot.
We usually do that, chime in or whatever.
No, I forgot what you said.
Oh, that's okay.
You forget a lot of things that I say.
Fuck off.
I'm the one that remembers most of things.
I'm feeling guilty because I'm actually stalling because I forgot as well.
No.
Next week, we're going to talk about stress.
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Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
Penny drop.
Ding, ding.
Yep.
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Next week, yeah, we're going to talk about stress and some of the things it can do to
you and your mental health, what it can make you do, like dye your hair blue.
Thank you again for listening.
That's about time you had an episode where you actually had fucking something to say
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about me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's pretty rare for you to rip on me.
It's normally the other way around.
Yeah, this is true.
I'm pretty easy to rip on.
That's going to come back.
Thanks for listening.
See you next week.
It's okay to not be okay.
See you later.
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What's going on everyone?
Welcome to this week's episode of the Pain in Our Head podcast.
Today I am very glad to introduce Papa Smurf to the podcast.
It's Smurfette.
Very glad to have you here.
It's Smurfette.
Well, very glad to have you here nonetheless.
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What's been happening this week?
Talk us through the hair.
Spontaneous decision.
You don't have to go into mega detail.
Well, it's probably not the worst thing to go into really.
It's the basic white girl approach to mental health breakdown 101.
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Decided to fuck with my hair.
So here we are.
Had a bit of a bad streak of mental health over the last fortnight.
Pretty much culminated into a bad experience, I guess.
This is where we're at.
Yes, you went full.
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Full basic bitch.
That's the word for it.
Yeah.
Oh, it looks very good.
Yeah, it actually paid out in the end.
I decided on it and thought to myself, no, just fucking do it.
You've never dyed your hair a weird color.
When I was in high school, I went through the whole black hair, obviously.
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And that was the extent of it.
Actually, when I went to prom, I had blonde streaks in my hair.
Blonde streaks.
I've shown you that photo.
It's like 17 year old me with my streaks.
So that was the most out there, I guess.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's cool.
Take it off the bucket list.
Yeah, I think I might keep it to be honest.
I fucking like it.
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I was thinking about growing my hair long again.
Oh yeah.
If you do grow it long, then the blue will just stay at the bottom and black will come
through.
It'll be black and blue.
Very cool.
Just like my dick, black and blue.
Black and blue.
This week, well, first of all, welcome to the Pain in the Hair podcast.
We've already said that.
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If you're listening for the first time, we go over mental health topics.
We have a chat to each other, talk a lot of different shit, and then talk about some music
as well.
So that's kind of what we do.
Very excited to get this week's Under a Way.
We're recording a bit later again this week than what we usually do, but that's okay.
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I kind of like recording on an afternoon.
I'll look with a Tuesday streak.
Yeah.
Too far.
Yeah.
Tuesday.
Yeah.
Two for Tuesday.
Two for Tuesday.
Fuck Tuesday.
Two for Tuesday.
Domino's.
Two for Tuesday.
Two for Tuesday.
Two dollar pots.
Yeah.
Not anymore.
I don't know if anyone does two dollar pots on Tuesdays anymore.
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I feel like that's a really old thing that I used to partake in.
Think of the past.
You can't get anything for two dollars these days.
Thursday nights was like five dollar jugs.
Five dollar jugs.
Five dollar jugs.
Man, I spewed in a lot of gardens at the one place.
The Queenie, man, the Queenslander used to do fucking two dollar pots on Tuesday nights
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and Thursday nights was five dollar jugs.
So it was like Trashy Tuesday and Thirsty Thursday.
Thirsty Thursday, Trashy Tuesday.
Yeah.
When I was in Sodomy Squad, the band that I used to be in before Iron Wizards, I was
a bass player for them.
We had a song, bad song.
It's called Preemptive Rape Defense.
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It's about a guy that gets date raped by this chick.
And so he goes out the next night and preemptively date rapes her.
And it's like one of the lines is like, fuck yeah, Tuesday, let's get shit faced off to
spend my doll down at the local sinking piss up walk to Filthy Mole.
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I think that's how it went.
Okay.
Yeah, it's a bad song.
I think Tuesday is Dolday too.
I don't know.
I just like fuck yeah, Tuesday, let's get shit faced.
That just fucking cracks me up.
On a Tuesday.
Triple M do a two for Tuesday.
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That's pretty cool.
If I'm going, I don't listen to the radio, but if I have to, or I am listening to a radio
station, I usually do pick Triple M and they do two for Tuesday.
We'd make good radio hosts.
We would, but they'd either be a lot of editing because we swear way too much.
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We'd have to have someone in the room with us on a sensor button.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Actually, they just have a double kick for the sensor button.
It would just be going the whole time.
Yeah.
So yeah, but no Triple M, two for Tuesday.
I do enjoy that sometimes.
But they do no repeat.
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Oh, they do no repeat work days, it's every day.
But my favorite used to be almost acoustic Sunday.
I'm a sucker.
I'm a sucker for acoustic stuff.
Yeah, and I'm a massive sucker for acoustic things, especially if I like the song, and
it's stripped down.
I just like the raw part of the acoustics.
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You don't get that after the post-production, it's all been mixed and you're raw.
And yes, I said raw.
But it's a very common word in the mixing world, I guess, the producing world.
Even I have raw files.
Stripped down as well.
Yeah, stripped down.
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Sounds like a porno set, but it's just a fucking bunch of sweaty nerds in the mixing rooms
in the studio.
Yeah, I'm going to strip you down real good.
You're going to fucking deliver it raw.
It's like, whoa.
We do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mix the wet and dry and the raw all together.
Sometimes you can do that.
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So anyway, I am talking about mixing technicalities, I promise.
Adieu.
I'm not.
Oh, shit.
Excellent.
Sorry, I got sidetracked.
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I just noticed your hair matches the color of my chair.
And every time I look at my chair now, I'm going to think about you.
Yeah, great.
Last week, we mentioned that we were going to talk about guilt this week, and we didn't
really know what that looked like.
It turns out there's a bar-clone of stuff to talk about when it comes to guilt.
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So we're going to jump into that.
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Yeah, so we're going to be talking about guilt, and I guess we'll just crack straight onto
it or as Pesterly would say, let's crack right on.
Was it in?
I don't know.
I like Pesterly.
He's an Australian streamer.
Pretty cool.
Go check him out.
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You're into video games.
Crack in, crack on.
Crack on.
So I guess the first part would be to talk about what actually is guilt.
What is guilt?
So the American Psychological Association, that's a fucking intimidating name.
That's a full, that's a mouthful.
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APA defines guilt as a self-conscious emotion, which it describes as reflecting on one's
self-worth or self-value.
It's characterized by a painful appraisal of having done or thought something that is
wrong and often by a readiness to take action designed to undo or mitigate this wrong.
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So essentially it's that feeling you get when you think you may have fucked up and you feel
real bad about it and want to do something to fix it.
If you don't feel guilt, you're probably a psychopath.
Not that you always are going to feel guilt, but in certain circumstances where you should
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probably feel guilty, if you're not feeling it, there might be a bit of something going
on.
A bit of disassociation, a bit of lack of humanity.
Lack of compassion.
It may not be guilt, you might feel shame.
It's not exactly the same thing as guilt, but it's very, very closely related.
Yes, which is also a negative self-conscious feeling.
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Shameful of your actions.
Yeah, when you feel shameful of the actions.
Guilt I think guilt can be, because we're going to go into it, but it's a little bit
both after action and before action, because I think shame is more just after action kind
of thing.
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Types of guilt.
Before I even started researching this, I didn't think that there was different types
of guilt.
I thought it was just guilt.
I thought guilt was guilt.
Feel guilty about something.
Yeah.
So, things like ethical guilt, where that's driven through internal ethical principles.
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So that's a lot of different things.
You can look at laws.
Laws are kind of a good example there.
You get taught right from wrongs, young age.
Don't steal the toy off the shelf.
It's an easy example to come up with, stealing.
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Don't steal from mom and dad businesses, but do steal from big corporations.
Oh yeah, go for gold there.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
I mean, is that even stealing?
Yeah.
So yeah, there's ethical guilt.
That sort of thing, that's an example.
Then you've got non-ethical guilt.
So it's kind of the opposite, obviously.
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It's non-ethical.
It's not about your moral compass, so we're not thinking about morals and things like
that.
It's more you're thinking about your concerns.
So you're thinking about the consequences of potentially doing something.
So you may not have even done something yet.
You may not have even, I don't know, maybe it's spending money.
Maybe you're supposed to be saving your money and instead you go and spend it.
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Or you're about to.
There's always that, I think everyone gets that, right?
You're about to spend money on something that you know you probably shouldn't be spending
money on, games.
I've never done that before.
And yeah, you get that feeling of guilt, like, I shouldn't be doing this.
Then you hit the pay now button anyway.
And before you know it, you download the game and you forget all about it.
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And a couple of days later, you're like, I shouldn't have bought this.
And you feel shame.
And then the last one, I didn't even know that this was a word, neurotic guilt.
Neurotic.
You've never heard of the word neurotic.
I mean, I've never used it.
I've never heard it used like with guilt.
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So that one was a little bit different.
But I kind of know when I was reading into it, I kind of understand it.
A good example there is feeling guilty for something that's not necessarily you had anything
to do with.
A good example is like, you're feeling if you're a child or just any, you don't have
to necessarily be a child.
But if your parents go through a divorce and you feel like maybe you're part to blame for
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that, you feel guilty for that where you may not have actually had anything to do with
it.
It was your fault because you got a big head.
I've got a very big head.
Yes.
Yes.
No.
That's a serious one.
Yeah, no, 100%.
I'm going to be honest.
How many kids have ever felt guilty over it?
I struggled for years.
Yeah, I did.
I really did.
And it wasn't until I honestly, it probably took me a good eight to 10 years to get past
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that guilt.
But I really did feel that for a good chunk of my younger life.
And yeah, it's a hard thing to work through.
It really was.
Especially the teenage years.
It was awful.
Yeah, my parents separated like twice before they actually got divorced.
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The first two times they separated, I definitely felt guilty and I felt that it was my fault.
Growing up, I had a pretty rough relationship with my dad.
So I felt like it was my fault that I'd driven this wedge between them.
But then they didn't divorce until they were older, until I was older.
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And by then I was really fucking angry and unstable.
I didn't give a shit.
I was like, eh.
I'm going to go dye my hair pink.
Yeah, so that's cool.
Different ways of guilt, different types of guilt.
Another common term, apparently it's common.
I've heard this one before, survivor guilt.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
That's common as shit.
Yeah.
In a car crash, you've got five friends in the car and you're the only one that lives
and then you get survivor guilt.
Oh yeah, yep.
Absolutely.
Even if you're not driving, you could be the fucking person just sitting in the right seat.
Yep.
Yeah, so lots of different situations.
Yeah.
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Even like, I think it was reading on here though, even saying things like pandemics.
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, people can maybe feel survivor guilt from that, different sort of things.
But yeah, there's a lot of different things that can come under that bracket.
So no, that's really cool.
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In terms of those different types, it can affect your mental health too.
So I guess that's what we're talking about it.
And if we talk about that neurotic guilt, that affected my mental health for a long
time and it's pretty obvious in the ways that it can do.
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So there's the self-worth, the self-esteem, causing low self-esteem.
And we've done a whole episode on self-esteem and self-worth as well.
Every time, man, every time.
That's all.
Yeah, self-esteem.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yep.
It's on the podcast playlist.
I'm pretty sure.
I hope it is.
I'll have a look tomorrow.
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Yeah, so you can have mental health repercussions from feeling guilt.
And it's something to be aware of.
Sometimes I think you kind of don't know or you don't feel like it's affecting your mental
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health as much as it potentially is.
Sometimes it can feel like it's just one of those things like, it's guilty, I feel shame.
And then with guilt and shame, it's something that you really don't want to ever address
or talk about or be completely open about because there is that shame element behind
it, especially if that event has happened.
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Yeah, I think too that tying it into how guilt can affect your mental health, that it can
also kind of mask how you are feeling.
So you may dismiss it as, I just feel guilty because this has happened and not actually
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realize that you're actually depressed as shit right now because you just think it's
guilt.
So it's a strong emotion and has the power to definitely mask other side effects of it
because guilt is a strong factor in early childhood depression.
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Yes.
So keep an ear out, keep an eye out for things like that.
Just because you feel like it's guilt doesn't necessarily mean that's the only thing that's
going on right now because chances are that you may be getting depressed with how guilty
you feel and that also needs to be addressed.
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Yeah.
We always talk about, I guess the spiral effect in mental health.
What we have in a lot of different episodes that we've talked about many different topics.
So there's something to be aware of, that guilt can spiral on some other things and
push some other things out of proportion.
Very important to keep track of the guilt, have a think about it.
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There's a few different ways from our research we've looked up.
This is a fantastic source to everyday health this article is on.
Written by Amir Shell, Lent Hirsch, medically revised by Seth Gillahan and published at
the end of last year.
So it's pretty recent.
But yeah, great stuff on here.
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I've even talked about ways that we can cope with guilt.
The first kind of thing they talk about is asking yourself what it is that you feel guilty
about and whether or not that event that led you to feeling guilty, whether or not that
was foreseeable.
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I think that's a really important part because if you're feeling guilty about something that's
potentially not within your control.
So we talk about those like the neurotic guilt and the survivor's guilt.
Those sort of things necessarily aren't really in your control.
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So that's something to really think about and take on board.
Not to say that those types of guilt aren't viable because they definitely are.
It's just a way of thinking that you kind of go, okay, well, maybe I don't have to feel
guilty about this.
So I think that's definitely a really good way of coping.
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I think it's important that when you're experiencing guilt, one thing to just keep in mind the
whole fucking time is don't be so hard on yourself.
And it kind of applies to all types of guilt.
It doesn't really matter if it's something that's out of your control, it's directly
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because of you.
We all make mistakes and the fact that you're already feeling guilty means that you're already
suffering for it.
So try to be a little less hard on yourself and don't beat yourself up so much.
Try to take it easy on yourself.
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Yeah, you experience the guilt, feel it out and work through it, but just try to go easy
on yourself.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's a really good point.
There's more to you than just the guilt and the mistakes.
Just like you said, everyone makes mistakes.
So just try and think about that.
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You're not a bad person and you shouldn't have to let that guilt consume you because
it will if you let it.
100%.
So after asking yourself all that and going through that, did you intend for it to happen
and if it was a mistake, fair enough.
Is there a way that I can move past it and realize that I make mistakes and I'm not such
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a bad person?
What can you do to repair the situation is something that they suggest as well in this
article.
Burn the bridges.
Yeah, burn all the bridges.
Fuck everyone.
Good, see the song.
Say that.
One of my favorite, top five.
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Burn the bridges.
Such a good song.
You would like it.
Like 100%.
Like my real dad, you can't tell me what I do and don't like.
You will like it.
You will actually like that song.
Good song.
Anyway, I'll be fast.
Great fucking song.
Add that one to the playlist.
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No, I'm not.
No, it's fine.
I've got a couple of songs I'm talking about already.
I've already added too much C though recently.
Next kind of part then is how can you repair the situations?
Think about if you cause someone harm, there's always a reaching out.
As I said earlier though, it's so hard to be honest about some shameful things, things
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that you may feel guilt about.
It's a fine line, but sometimes being honest can help releasing that kind of weight off
your shoulders as well.
If it does go not the way that maybe you would have liked, just remember, self-compassion
and acknowledge that you can forgive yourself may take time.
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Personally, the most memorable, memorable, memorable, rememberable, I was thinking about
Harry Potter, you know the remember, rememberal?
Remembrance.
No, the remember, rememberal.
You know the-
Oh, I remember all.
Yeah, I remember all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You've seen the first one, right?
I'm glad it's red when you forget.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't know why I had that in my head when I was, I don't know why I said that.
Anyway.
I was thinking of Elden Ring Remembrance.
Oh, remembrance.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, when you kill the bosses.
I haven't seen that too many times.
Get good.
Anyway, yeah, so acknowledge, you know, forgive yourself.
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It's going to take time.
That's where I was getting with that.
Yeah, you know, it took me almost 10 years, I think, to get over some of the worst guilt
that I thought I had.
Fuck, that would have been like half your life.
Yeah, I thought.
That was the joke.
You're like 20.
I wish I was 20.
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You're right.
There's so many things I'd do differently if I could go back to when I was 20.
I know, right?
Yeah, I was thinking about it the other day.
Well, a lot of guys at work are around that kind of early 20 age.
And yeah, just fuck.
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20.
Hmm.
I don't know.
Like, I feel like for me, I'd want to go back to when I was.
I can live with a lot of mistakes early on in life.
But I feel like, yeah, like 21 onwards would be a good fucking time to go back to and just
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fix up between like 20 to 30.
Yeah, okay.
I'd probably go back further.
Yeah, see, like a lot of the things that went wrong early on, like I can fucking I live
with that shit.
I don't care.
I guess there's a really.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like in South Australia.
I think that's the wrong way.
It's a thought.
We've got blue hair instead.
I'm happy with that.
Fuck.
I'd feel so guilty.
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It's a really good example because I think I'd have to go back a little further because
I think there's still a lot of stuff in like the earlier years that may feel guilty about
or maybe I could have done it differently and I wouldn't have some guilt and I don't
know.
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Just a thought, it ties in, but I'm slowly getting over it.
Maybe like if I went back to the start of high school and started crying every time
someone tried to fight me, I just bashed them.
That may have made my life a bit better.
You feel guilty about giving them a free pass.
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Mind you, like, you know, year eight, me was an absolute twig of a kid.
I was highly strong.
So as soon as there was conflict, I was just waterworks.
Now there's not.
Now I'm highly strong and aggressive.
And blue.
Oh, good song.
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The Flume remix of it.
The Flume remix.
Yeah, that's a good remix.
Fucking banger.
Or the... gosh, I miss that song a lot.
Who's that?
Goddamn music producer.
Fucking did that song with Reba and they use that as a sample.
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I'm good.
Oh, you know who I'm talking to.
David Guetta.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yep.
David Guetta used the blue as a sample and put Reba on the track.
Fucking blew up on socials.
I don't mind his stuff, hey.
Yeah, some of it's alright.
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I've got...
I'm trying to think of a song.
I can't think of it, but there was one that I was obsessed with for a good while there.
No, not that one.
I can't think of it.
Anyway, we're side track.
I'm just under music now.
Yeah, yeah, we are super side track.
We do that.
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That's pretty much it.
So we're going with guilt.
I was just going to say as well, if you are struggling to get over the guilt or get past
or cope with the guilt, try to think there may have been some other alternative or some
other factors going on at the time.
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Because there's a lot of talk about how guilt and shame can shape a lot of our different
behaviors that can weigh on your mental health as well.
There's a lot of should I, shouldn't I, if I do this, what are the consequences going
to be?
So kind of think about what was going on at the time if you did make a mistake or you
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did do something that made you feel shame, made you feel guilt.
Maybe there were some other things going on.
Maybe there were some other mental health things happening.
If you were feeling a little bit upset, you were feeling a little bit depressed, you go
and dye your hair and then you feel guilty about it.
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So yeah, it could have been something else going on at the time is what I'm getting to.
It's important to note.
And also too, guilt can very much tie into insecurities, like what you were saying with
your choices and decisions and the consequences of those.
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So if you feel guilty about something, there's a strong chance that that will transfer to
an insecurity and that will affect how you react in certain situations.
So learning to process that guilt and address it early on before it does become an insecurity
and kind of roots itself in how you do react to things is very essential and ties back
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to one of our most important episodes on being self-aware.
So being able to reflect and address and move on from that guilt is very, very important
because guilt doesn't have to be forever.
Just because you made a mistake or something in your life changed and you feel guilty about
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it doesn't mean you have to feel guilty about it forever.
Process it and then try to move on.
It may come back to you every now and then, but try not to let it affect your life every
day.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
Really well said.
Forgive yourself first.
It's the first step.
You can't expect others to forgive you if you haven't even forgiven yourself.
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Nice.
Yeah, we summed that up really well.
I honestly thought that was going to take a little bit longer.
Thanks for listening to guilt.
I suppose we've already started talking about music.
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We're going to talk about a little bit of music that I haven't listened to in a while
and I'm actually very excited to start listening to this again because I'm going to add it
to the playlist.
Okay.
You're not excited for the music chat.
I am.
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Welcome back to this week's episode of the Pain in Our Head podcast.
Great to have you on board.
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We have been talking about guilt in the podcast.
It's been good.
It's been a good chat about guilt and mental health, how it affects.
If you're just dropping in now, don't know why you would be, but go back and have a listen.
Skip the important part and go straight to the music.
These guys have got really good taste in music.
Let's just watch that part of it.
I mean, I probably would, but that's just me.
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Maybe we can start doing some little bonus episodes where we were like, you know, all
those like reviews that people do on music videos and stuff.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Music reviews.
Little ones.
Yeah.
That's going to be a real, isn't it?
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Good song though, let you cool boy.
So good.
So good.
So good.
Yeah.
I binged that.
Yeah, great song.
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We talked about it.
It's on the playlist.
It's on the podcast playlist.
Yeah.
If you're going, what the fuck are these guys talking about?
We're talking about a song on the playlist called Rattata.
Electric call featuring babymetal.
Babymetal.
Yes.
I don't hate babymetal.
There's so many gatekeepers in the community.
It's fucking stupid.
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It's real metal.
So I don't give a fuck.
The people that play the instruments in babymetal are really fucking good musicians and
it's metal as shit.
It does not matter if it sounds like a fucking anime theme song.
I'm still going to enjoy it.
That's why I like it.
Yeah, I'm here for it.
Anyway, yeah, let's move on to music.
As a former, so hey, check out our YouTube.
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If you're listening on Spotify or you're listening on Amazon or Apple music or the list goes
on listen, listen notes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Audible.
Yeah.
Check out the YouTube.
We got, we got some funky things going on there.
There's a few reels.
There's a few more reels that are going to go up of Christian doing some wacky stuff.
And so yeah, prepare yourself for that.
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This is now where we're talking about a few songs.
You go first.
I feel like I've gone and talked about my stuff like straight off the bat in the last
few episodes in the last couple of weeks.
So fill us in.
Do you feel guilty about going first all the time?
Yeah, I do.
I feel guilty that we waste people's like an hour of their life.
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That's probably why part one and part two of the insecurity episode doesn't have many
views because we didn't just waste one hour, we wasted like two and a half.
Yeah.
Those were good episodes.
They were good episodes.
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If you don't want to get two and a half hours of your life back, go and listen to those
episodes.
Anyway, go for it.
What's this song?
So mine is a band.
What's that song?
That I've spoken about once before in a very early episode actually.
Very early.
I don't know what it was called now.
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But anyway, I know it was one okay rock is the band and the song that I did choose originally
was Stand Out Fit In, which is amazing song.
Good song.
That's our image episode, wasn't it?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah.
Be yourself.
Yeah, be yourself.
That's it.
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But I was listening to them this morning actually and this song just jumped out at me and I've
been smashing it on repeat because it's amazing.
And I've forgotten the fucking song title what it's actually called now.
So it's great.
I know it's something about long fall.
So let's just quickly look at what it's called.
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It is Mighty Long Fall.
Thank you.
Mighty Long Fall.
Mighty Long Fall.
I heard a live version of it while I had a playlist going.
It was just like a giant stadium tour they did and I was just listening to it because
it came on.
I was like, oh yeah, these songs are pretty catchy to play some League of Legends too.
I really like hearing boppy songs while I'm getting my shit punched in.
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And yeah, this song came on and I was just like, oh this is fucking good.
Real good.
And particularly noteworthy I guess to really talk about it like lyrics wise or anything
is just a really catchy song that I enjoyed the absolute shit of.
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It's got a really nice voice.
The mix is really good.
It does.
Yeah.
In that song.
Really good in that song actually.
These vocals.
The drums.
It sounds really good.
And if you go watch the YouTube video, his drum kit looks sick.
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I didn't pay attention to it for once.
No, that's just me.
It's just my automatic.
I think I do it subconsciously now.
But let's do a song and just straight away, what are the drums doing?
If I'm watching YouTube or something like that and they've got something of them doing
it live or kind of live shot of the band.
Yeah, straight away.
Do you do that when you go to concerts as well?
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Do you just watch the drummer?
Yes.
Yeah, I'm terrible for it.
Hey, yeah.
Yep.
Straight away.
Just looking straight at the drummer.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I just think you do.
I suppose if you're a guitarist, you do the same thing.
Yeah, I was thinking I used to do the same thing with bass players.
I'd watch the bass player, see what gear they had too.
You're like, oh yeah, what sort of bass guitars he got?
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What amps he running?
What's his head?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just think it's something you do.
So that's cool.
Good song.
Really, I enjoyed it.
Yeah.
When you send it through.
So I can't wait to add that to the playlist and because I've been listening to the playlist
just a fair bit.
So it's been good to just because we've got so many now.
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I have missed a fair few weeks.
I got to go back and fix a few of them up.
But yeah, it's really good.
Yeah, I should probably, I've got a Spotify account.
I just don't use it because I use iTunes.
Yeah, right.
Did you know that I can add you as a collaborator?
I think I need to do that so that when I forget to add a song, you can add it.
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Okay.
Yeah, probably should.
I'm going to talk about a band that we've mentioned because I think we've mentioned
another band that a few of those members.
Oh, that's right.
We did.
We're a part of.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we've briefly spoken about Egypt Central.
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I haven't listened to that song in ages either.
No, I haven't listened to them in a while.
We were hyped as fuck over that.
We certainly were.
We talked about it.
I can't remember what episode.
I don't even know the name of the band.
No, I've forgotten the name of the band.
Anyway, Egypt Central, great band.
Were, because they're not.
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They are now, I think, if I remember right.
So they split up.
They started the other group, then they got back together, I think.
Yeah, okay.
I don't know.
It doesn't matter.
This song, this song came out in 2021.
Let Me Out.
I'm pretty sure it did.
Yes, released in 2021.
Let Me Out.
Let Me Out.
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Let Me Out.
You know, Rick and Morty.
Just don't acknowledge most of the things you say.
No, that's fine.
Hopefully, there's a Rick and Morty listener, a watcher out there, and they got the reference.
It's fine.
Anywho, yeah, Let Me Out by Egypt Central.
Just choose the worst references, though.
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You don't choose funny ones.
I don't know.
That's pretty funny.
It turns out it's Tiny Rick.
I know.
That's a great episode.
That's up there with my top five episodes of Rick and Morty.
Tiny Rick.
There's Pickle Rick.
Tiny Rick.
There's, and then there's three others that are up there, but those two are definitely,
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yeah, up there.
No, no, okay.
I'm just really big fan of Rick and Morty.
I am too.
I just don't think Tiny Rick.
Pickle Rick was great.
Oh yeah, Pickle Rick.
Great.
No, Tiny Rick is a good episode.
Impressive.
That's why it's so good.
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I've got enough depression in my life.
I don't need to get fucking sad watching something funny that's meant to be escaping me from
it.
Oh shit.
Anyway, yeah.
Let Me Out by Egypt Central.
Great song.
I remember when I first showed you a good while ago now.
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Great song.
It's got some awesome lyrics to it.
It's not brutal, not massively brutal, but it's good.
There's a good mix.
I was just amazed that someone else had heard of Egypt Central.
When you were like, I love this song and you sent it to me, it's like, dude, you know Egypt
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Central?
I was like, I fucking love Egypt Central.
Yeah.
They've got a few really good songs.
They've got a lot of really good songs.
There's a few that I really like.
I came across them driving to uni one day, a fair few years ago now.
I came across them when I was like 17.
Oh really?
Yeah.
There's a movie, The Condemned, where the prisoners get sent to the island and they
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got to survive.
It's like a death game.
Yes.
Yes.
I've seen that.
At the end of that movie, had Over and Under by Egypt Central.
I was like, what is this song?
This is amazing.
Because yeah, dumb ass didn't know you could just look at the fucking credits and find
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songs that they use there.
So I was like, you know, went on a real deep dive trying to find this song, found it.
And was like, fuck yeah.
Shazamed it?
No.
No, Shazamed wasn't a thing when I was 17.
Apps weren't even a fucking thing when I was 17, dude.
Yeah.
Okay.
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Well, Dinosaur with blue hair.
Wow.
I'm going to fuck you up as Sorus.
I haven't had one of those before, but it doesn't sound very nice.
I'm going to get you talking about this song.
It's a great song.
I'm going to add to the playlist.
It's got a really good mix, I feel like there's a good, good cleans, really good cleans.
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A lot of, I wouldn't say brutal screams, but there's some screams in there as well.
He's got good screams though.
He does have good screams.
They're what I would call like a clean scream.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tight.
They're good.
I was listening to it before and I noticed that in the mix, the scream actually is pushed
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back into the side a little bit, which is really cool way to blend an actual clean vocal
with a scream vocal.
So really cool.
That's a really cool part of the song.
What else do I like about the song?
I like the idea of how it sounds.
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It's very, there's another really cool song.
Yeah.
It's got that kind of clinger bound about it.
Like that kind of like, you know, gun sounding, Western.
Yeah.
Very Western feel to it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the word I was looking for, Western feel.
So that's a really, really cool element.
And I think it's kind of throughout the whole song.
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So cool song, great song.
I don't really need to go into what it's about.
I think it's really just about someone who's locked up.
Yeah.
But I haven't really dived into it.
From what I remember, like essentially I had a rough life growing up and then he killed
someone and he got locked up for it.
Yeah.
Off the top of my head, like from what I remember of the lyrics, I'm pretty sure that's how
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it goes.
And you know, dad disowns him and shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a bagger song.
It fits him with the guilt.
Yeah, true.
Yeah.
Yes.
Speaking of guilt, a guilty pleasure is The Reason by Hooverstank.
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We've all got guilty pleasure songs.
We do all have guilty pleasure songs.
Yeah.
I've got a lot of like really fucking shit songs that if you looked at me, you would
be like, he doesn't listen to that.
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Like Unsweetened Lemonade.
That's a fucking great song.
It's not a guilty pleasure.
That's a great song.
Fuck you.
That's on the playlist, isn't it?
I'm sure it is.
Yeah.
I've been listening to it.
It is a really good song.
I've actually thoroughly enjoyed it.
She's got a really good voice and I love the like the folk kind of music to it.
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It's fucking great.
I love the lyrics.
They're hilarious.
Yeah.
I fucked the Reaper.
My time was coming, can't you see?
I was either going to die at 12 or 93.
It's great.
Yeah, it's good.
Very intelligent.
And then like, you know, it switches over in the chorus.
It's like, I didn't die at 12.
So I guess I'm here till 93.
(44:50):
Like, you know, it's fucking that's great.
I love that sort of shit.
Yeah.
Good songwriting.
What is like one of your, I know you got to talk about this one, but like what's something
that's super, super guilty pleasure that you probably wouldn't admit to people that you
listen to?
I'm trying to have a think now.
(45:10):
That's probably one is the reason.
I don't think that one needs to be like a super guilty pleasure.
No, maybe not necessarily a super guilty pleasure.
There's probably a few Nickelback songs.
You know, there's definitely a few Nickelback songs, but I can't off the top of my head.
(45:33):
I can't think of others.
I could think of like two off the top of my head.
And one of them would be Sailor V by Bewitched.
Okay.
That came out when I was in primary school, I think.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Nope.
I haven't heard that song.
It's like a bunch of like a girl band.
(45:54):
It's like a bunch of Irish lasses.
Right.
You probably actually enjoy the fuck out of it.
Like you're going to have to listen to it after this, but it's a really good song.
And Hilary Duff.
Oh, you've told me that before.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I've heard some of those songs.
Yeah.
(46:15):
Yeah.
They're all written by other songwriters.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, but, so it was just like the Hannah Montana.
Oh yeah.
Not me, but I know someone who-
She's probably the original Hannah Montana, really.
Yes.
Yeah.
(46:35):
You're right.
Yeah.
Because I know someone who's their guilty pleasure is Hannah Montana.
Yeah.
And they were saying the reason why is because the songs and how they're written and the
chord progressions in them are actually-
Actually.
Quite good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they've used them or taken, I guess, taken from them to create their own music.
(46:58):
So yeah, pretty cool.
Anyway, tell me why you like The Reason.
Again, can you give, do you have to give a reason for a guilty pleasure?
It's just, I don't know.
It just reminds me of like, cause it's about guilt or feeling guilty about, you know, doing
someone wrong.
(47:19):
Bit of nostalgia as well.
Nostalgia.
Yeah.
You know, cause that song came out 14 years ago.
Fuck.
So I was 13.
I was 20.
13, 12, 12, 13.
Fuck.
(47:40):
Anyway.
Yeah.
So I need a bit of nostalgia.
But that's like the, we were doing this song a little while ago.
We were trying to sing it to each other.
I think it's that song by 3OH.
Starstruck by 3OH3.
Yeah.
(48:00):
That one's not my guilty pleasure.
I think the other one.
That's the other one.
Making me go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That one.
Yes.
Oh, Eminem.
I got a few guilty pleasure Eminem songs.
Yeah.
For sure.
Tell your boyfriend that if he's got beef, that I'm a vegetarian and I ain't fucking
(48:25):
scared of him.
Good song.
I remember when that came out.
A long time ago.
I was like 10 when that came out.
Anyway.
Crazy.
You were 10 when it came out and now you're 12.
(48:47):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Such a long time ago.
All right.
Very good.
Good chat.
That's a good, we rattled off a fair few good songs there.
I don't even know what I'm going to add to the playlist this week.
I'm not going to add all of them.
I'll see how I go.
See how I'm feeling.
I'm going to update that.
I feel like, have you added, I'm sure I spoke about White Rabbit.
Yes.
Maybe.
(49:08):
By Egypt Central.
I'm sure I spoke about it in one of our earlier episodes.
I think you did.
So if you haven't added that, you need to add it.
All right.
I'll add White Rabbit.
I will.
Yeah.
Awesome.
All right.
Well, thanks for listening to this week's episode.
Next week, we're going to talk about, I thought you were going to chime in there.
(49:33):
No, I forgot.
We usually do that, chime in or whatever.
No, I forgot what you said.
Oh, that's okay.
You forget a lot of things that I say.
Fuck off.
I'm the one that remembers most of things.
I'm feeling guilty because I'm actually stalling because I forgot as well.
No.
Next week, we're going to talk about stress.
(49:56):
Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
Penny drop.
Ding, ding.
Yep.
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Next week, yeah, we're going to talk about stress and some of the things it can do to
you and your mental health, what it can make you do, like dye your hair blue.
Thank you again for listening.
That's about time you had an episode where you actually had fucking something to say
(50:22):
about me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's pretty rare for you to rip on me.
It's normally the other way around.
Yeah, this is true.
I'm pretty easy to rip on.
That's going to come back.
Thanks for listening.
See you next week.
It's okay to not be okay.
See you later.
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