October 8, 2024 • 54 mins
Leaving behind the intense world of Wall Street, Carole Marko turned to meditation and discovered a new way of living. In this episode, she’s sharing her journey of how meditation helped her reconnect with herself, reduce stress, and find balance amid life’s challenges.
You’ll hear practical ways to incorporate mindfulness into your daily routine and how shifting your mindset can transform your health. Carole dives into why emotions like love and joy matter, how group meditation can amplify healing, and how these tools can help you navigate your own path to wellness.
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Nika Lawrie (00:06):
Welcome to the Inspired with Nika Laurie
podcast.
Carol Marko, welcome to theshow.
I'm so excited to have you heretoday.
Carole Murko (00:19):
Oh, thank you so much for having me, nika.
It's always such a joy to comeon your podcast and others who
are just done such an amazingjob of like stepping on a
platform and creating anaudience, and I thank you so
much for bringing me into yourworld.
Nika Lawrie (00:37):
Absolutely.
I am super grateful to have youhere today.
I love doing podcasts.
The reason I continue is kindof a selfish reason, honestly
because I love meeting newpeople and being able to engage
with them and learn from them.
So I'm super happy to have youhere and come on the show.
So thank you, yeah, you'rewelcome.
Yeah, so today we're going totalk about something that I
(00:58):
haven't really touched on toomuch on the show before, but I
think I know for me it's beenreally really life-changing the
power of meditation and kind ofthat changing the way we think
and using.
I know.
For me group meditation, largegroup meditation, was really
really profound.
It completely changed my life,the experiences I've been
(01:20):
through.
So we're going to talk aboutkind of that the power of
meditation and the power of ourthoughts and how that can really
help us heal.
But before we get into that,will you tell us a little bit
about who you are, what's yourbackstory and what brought you
to health and wellness?
Carole Murko (01:34):
Excellent.
Oh yes, of course, there's thebackstory right, yeah.
Seems like we all get to thehealth and wellness when we get
there.
It's because of the backstory,the backstory always yes.
So you know, back in the oldendays when I was younger and
didn't realize that, like I, wasso conditioned by society, you
(02:00):
know, I graduated from collegeand went to Wall Street of all
places.
I mean, it was completely wrongfor me.
Nika Lawrie (02:07):
Completely absent of health and wellness.
Carole Murko (02:10):
And I knew it, right, but I didn't at the time,
you know, yoga wasn't reallyeven big, I mean, I came of age
in the 80s, right.
So it's like in terms of likebeing, you know, a young adult
and, and I mean yoga was stillsomewhat esoteric, right.
I mean it's like and and so,and nobody spoke.
(02:31):
I knew a couple of my friend'smoms did TM, you know, and it
was like what is that, right,are they weird, you know?
And so there I was, you know,and um, so there I was, you know
, but not, you know, my, my soulwas absolutely unhappy, like I
just knew it at the, at the youknow the depths of my knowing,
(02:53):
and um, but I, you know, Ididn't have an alternative.
So I stuck around for for 15 orso years and then, um, but I
was always super creative.
So I went to school for interiordesign then and what I realized
is that interior design is verycreative.
When you in finance that, Ithought, gosh, I'm just going to
be able to relax in this newcareer of mine where I'm focused
(03:31):
on soft furnishings and fabricsand beauty.
And it turns out that even mypersonality was too much of a
pleaser, like I wantedeverything to be perfect, and so
it wasn't a great business forme, because I didn't know how to
set the boundaries with myclients and, you know, when they
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had actually taken too muchfrom me, right?
I didn't know how to be like.
Well, you know, all right,forget it, I'll just I'll do it.
And so I then morphed into oneof my passions, which was
cooking, and I created astorytelling platform called
(04:15):
Heirloom Meals, which I thoughtwas sort of my end.
That was it.
It was this beautiful passionproject.
I grew up in a three-generationhousehold with my Italian
grandparents, and I wanted tocelebrate family recipes and
stories, and so I had an NPRradio show.
I had two public televisionspecials that aired nationally
(04:38):
and I thought, gosh, you know,this is it.
Nika Lawrie (04:41):
You've arrived.
Carole Murko (04:42):
Yeah, this is it, you've arrived.
Yeah, except for the small factthat, like you know, both NPR
and PBS require you to raiseyour own funds, and so I spent a
lot of time raising money toproduce the shows, to have the
team, but I never could figureout how.
To you know, I just didn't.
I wasn't, I was an unknowntalent, as they, as they said
(05:04):
you out in the world of sponsorraising, and so I couldn't raise
the super big enough bucks tosupport, and so I had to work
other jobs, and so this is howwe're getting to the breakdown
of the body.
It's just that it'sunsustainable to you know, to
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work seven days a week, hustlingand, you know, still doing
interior designs.
Then I'd gotten my real estatelicense as well, and neither one
of those were soul aligned.
So I had this soul alignedbeautiful project, because I
can't call it a business andthen I was doing all this over
here to, like, keep myselfpaying my bills, yeah, and and
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so, and I didn't, I didn'treally see, recognize the little
hints along the way that weresaying your body's talking to
you, I, you know I would havemigraine headaches, I, um, and
then, of course, I would justokay, I know I just would take a
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bunch of aspirin and and then,all of a sudden, I developed
GERD from the aspirin, right.
So, like all of those thingswere just, but I I ignored them,
right, it was just.
And then, and then, out ofnowhere in fact, I was landing.
Um, we were going to, I waslanding in Albuquerque, we were
going to visit our friends inSanta Fe, and as we're landing,
I developed all of a sudden itwas like I had like hundreds of
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floaters in both of my eyes.
Nika Lawrie (06:37):
Oh, my goodness, that's scary.
Carole Murko (06:40):
It was crazy and I thought it was like maybe I
caught blood vessels, like whenyou know, with pressure, maybe I
popped blood vessels, you know,blood vessels like when you
know with pressure change.
I didn't, you know who knewright.
And so, anyhow, that was, thatwas nine years ago, and I went
to a retina specialist in SantaFe because my you know, it was
like what is this?
And anyway, long story short,it turns out that it was an
(07:05):
extremely rare autoimmune eyedisease that had no known cure
and that, of course, then put meon this whole journey because I
just didn't want to acceptblindness as my end game.
Nika Lawrie (07:20):
Absolutely.
Carole Murko (07:35):
And also didn't feel like the Western model had
a solution.
They only had pharmaceuticalsright, absolutely attacking
itself.
I don't really think our bodieswould do that, and I had this
just feeling that I could healmyself and I think everybody can
heal themselves but we justhaven't been taught that we can
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and we haven't been taught thetools that can help us get to
healing.
And that's how I got here.
Nika Lawrie (08:03):
Oh well, that's an amazing story, like so many ups
and downs, and I relate to you alot in that I worked in the
fundraising world for a longtime.
I worked for the Alzheimer'sAssociation.
I've told this story in thispodcast many times, but
fundraising is if you want astressful job, go work in
fundraising.
Like there is almost nothingthat's as stressful as
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fundraising and trying to raiseenough money to keep the doors
open and pay everybody'ssalaries and make sure that the
mission is moving forward.
It's insane and that's what ledto a lot of my health issues
too, which really led me tohealth and wellness and where I
am today.
So definitely relate to that.
But I'm really glad that youwere courageous enough to decide
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to take your own health, youknow, take control of your own
health and really try to findways to heal your body more in a
natural manner than justpharmaceuticals.
I think you know there's asmall place for some
pharmaceuticals, but most of thetime a lot of them can be
replaced with good food and diet.
Carole Murko (09:08):
So yeah, yes and good thoughts.
Nika Lawrie (09:13):
Yes, definitely yeah.
So let's talk about that.
It's a perfect segue.
So tell me, I love you have aphilosophy that says first you
are what you think, second youare what you eat.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Can you just elaborate on thata little bit?
What do you mean by think?
And then, obviously, I thinkmost listeners know, because I
(09:34):
get on my soapbox about what weeat all the time, but talk about
what we think.
That part has been key.
Carole Murko (09:40):
Well, and I really believe that hierarchy is
absolutely spot on, because ourthoughts create our personal
reality, right?
So how we think, how we act andhow we feel create our personal
reality, or our state of being.
And so if we don't have controlof those thoughts, then it
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doesn't matter how healthily weeat.
If you're eating healthy butyou're still stressed out,
you're still in a thinking andfeeling loop that are producing
the hormones of stress.
If you are, you know, actuallythinking like oh, you know, I'm
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eating healthy.
Therefore, you know, I don'thave to worry about anything
else.
Right, it's like you have toget.
You have.
Sorry, my border collie is likehi, maurice, it's time for me to
be padded, it's time for me tobe patted.
So if you see my hand flying,it's a fly, he's a boy who knows
(10:52):
what he wants.
He's like what's mommy to pathim, anyway?
So, but it goes further thanthat, because you know that's
sort of just.
You know your listeners mightgo.
So what your thoughts?
But our thoughts actuallyproduce chemicals and those
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chemicals then create feelings,and those feelings are often
either kind of positive ornegative, either kind of
positive or negative, and sadly,in our society, statistically,
we spend 70 to 80% of our timeproducing thoughts that create
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the hormones of stress, mm-hmmand so, and let's talk about
stress now.
So we now know that we spendand, by the way that we spend,
and by the way, we have 60 to70,000 thoughts a day.
90% of those thoughts are thesame thoughts you had yesterday,
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which basically means that alot of those thoughts are
unconscious or subconscious.
And by the time we're 35, 95%of how we show up in the world
is a memorized set of habits,conditioned behaviors, etc.
So we are unconscious with 95%.
So our thoughts, you know, sowhatever thought patterns we
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created until we're 35, are justoperating underneath the
surface of our consciousawareness.
So, as women, right.
So the little inner dialogue ohyou're so stupid.
Oh you look fat.
Oh, you're not this.
Oh you're not that.
Oh, look at that, I like hershoes better than mine.
Whatever, all of that dialogueis just that chatter that we
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were taught as women.
I mean, I believe that womenwere basically taught to hate
ourselves.
Oh completely, yeah, and that'sa conditioned thought pattern
that we are most likelyunconscious of, right?
So those negative, unconsciousthought patterns are creating
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the hormones of stress withoutus even knowing it.
And so, and when we're instress, guess what happens to
our physical bodies?
Right, we get narrowly focused,our digestion slows down, our
heart rate changes, our breathwork, our breath, our breathing
changes, blood is moved out toour extremities, and we're
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always ready to run, fight orhide, so we are in survival mode
70% to 80% of the time.
And so, yeah, so, if you don'tthink that has an impact on your
health, so you could eat thehealthiest food on the planet,
but if you are allowing yourthought patterns to create
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stress, no healthy food is goingto undo that stress that your
thoughts have created.
Nika Lawrie (13:53):
Yeah, yeah.
And when you think about it too, it's kind of a triple whammy.
Right now, right, so we havetons of unhealthy food, we're
inundated with stressful thingscontinuously, like the breaking
news and the media constantly ifit bleeds, it leads right and
then social media and all thecraziness that comes with that,
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and then on top of that, we'vekind of innately had these
negative thoughts runningthrough our head all the time.
So it's like this triple whammy.
Oh, and then if you add thefourth one, our sedentary
lifestyles that we now have,right, so you mix them all
together and it's just like thisdetrimental tsunami coming at
you.
So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Carole Murko (14:36):
So that pretty much.
I think hopefully yourlisteners can understand that
our thoughts are at the top ofthe hierarchy in terms of our
health, and then the next, ofcourse, is eating consciously,
right, eating foods that nurture, nourish, but also
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energetically.
I think a lot of people don'tthink about the energetics of
food, mm-hmm, and theconsciousness of the things that
we're eating.
And so once you get to thatspace where you're looking at
food you know really is as astrue sustenance, right, it's
true nourishment, and it shifts,you know, your health profile
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even further.
And I'm sort of against all thislike macro counting, I don't
even know, I mean it's just like, because that I feel like forms
another level of stress ineverybody's life.
Oh my God, I, you know like Iate one gram too much of X, y, z
, and this is a disaster.
And I think we just have to getback to um, to to basics and
(15:48):
just like eating food, eatingseasonally grown food, locally
grown food, as much organic foodas you can, more vegetables
than than animal protein, not,but I'm not against you know,
animal protein and um, sort of,uh, like michaelan, what he says
(16:08):
eat and eat less.
So it's like eat lots ofvegetables, you know, fish and
meat in like maybe 20% and thenless of all of it.
Nika Lawrie (16:21):
Yeah, I think he's also the one that said like
there's some say, if it came ina box, don't eat it, or
something like that.
Like it's yeah, yeah, yeah.
But so I want to go back to ourthoughts and really thinking
about the, the kind of themeditation piece that plays with
that too.
So you know, I mentioned in thebeginning of the show so I've
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been into health and wellnessfor years and years and years.
You know I've I've coached init, I've.
I, while I was fundraising forthe association, I had the
privilege of learning from someof the top Alzheimer's and
dementia researchers in theworld and everything always led
back to what we're eating andour lifestyle.
(17:06):
And the lifestyle reallyincluded how we're caring for
our body outside of just foodand exercise, right, so it's
like that community aspect.
It's what we're thinking, it'staking enough time to rest, and
then it's our thought patternsand meditation and taking those
breaks as well.
So, thinking about themeditation piece, talk to me a
little bit.
I know you're a fan of JoeDispenza and his work around
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meditation, especially groupmeditation.
So kind of long conversation toget to where I'm going.
But for me, I've donemeditation for years and I've
always had a benefit from it.
But life-changing momentshappened to me when I was in
groups meditating.
I was at one conference andthere was about a thousand
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people there and I had one ofthe most spiritual experiences
I've ever had in my entire life.
And I've had the privilege togo to a couple other large group
meditations and have really,really taken a lot back from
those experiences.
Can you talk about kind ofmeditation in that group setting
and what power can really comefrom that and why it can be so
(18:13):
transformative?
Carole Murko (18:15):
yes, yes so one of the things when we we I talked,
talked about the fact that ourthoughts produce a chemical, but
they also, um, send out asignal into the field, right?
And so when you get a largegroup of people over several
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days that are really focused onreturning to love, right, deeply
connecting into your heart,which is basically, you know,
produces a much biggerelectromagnetic signal than our
brain does, and what happens iswe start to.
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You know, there's this wholeconcept of quantum entanglement,
right?
So now, all of a sudden, you'rein this big space and we become
quantumly entangled with allthe other people in the room
that are opening up their heartspace, and so, as you imagine,
that actually creates anexponential impact.
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And I don't know if you've readthe work of Dr David Hawkins.
He wrote a book called PowerVersus Force.
I haven't, but I'm going tocheck it out.
Oh my God, it's so fascinatingbecause he spent 40 years, david
Hawkins.
He wrote a book called PowerVersus Force.
I haven't, but I'm going tocheck it out.
Oh my God, it's so fascinatingbecause he spent 40 years.
He's a medical doctor.
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And then he really becamefascinated with consciousness,
and so he decided that he wantedto map the scale of human
emotions, or what he was callingthe map of consciousness, and
so he wanted to reallyunderstand the differences
between the lower um, um, youknow, kind of the lower centers,
right where we have shame andsadness and anger and all of
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those negative emotions like um,also like frustration and um.
And you know, once you get tothe heart it's love and then
it's joy and bliss and it keepsgoing up the scale to
enlightenment.
And so what he did was and Idon't, you know, I wasn't in the
, you know, I don't I all I didwas read his books.
I don't quite understand.
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He used kinesiology to measureand he worked with all different
you know, using the scientificmethod of inquiry to measure all
these different emotions.
And so he was able then to putit on a logarithmic scale and
what he was able to prove wasthat lower frequency emotions
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are collectively not as powerfulas higher frequency emotions.
So when we begin to move up thescale, they exponentially
impact the consciousness of theplanet.
And what he said was that atthe time, his book, I think, was
published in 2009.
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There were like seven or eightenlightened beings on the planet
at the time.
He said, one enlightened beingoffsets 70 million people in the
frequencies below love.
Nika Lawrie (21:26):
Yeah, that's incredible.
Carole Murko (21:29):
Right, so you put a bunch of people in the room,
we're all raising each other'sfrequency.
So then all of a sudden, youknow you are like tapping into
the field at a much higherfrequency level.
And then you know, and that'swhen all those unlimited
possibilities start beingavailable to you, right, and so
if you just happen in, whileyou're in that space, to have an
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intention that has a particularfrequency and that frequency is
, you know, kind of floatingaround in that field, because
there's thousands of people, itmay be that you, you, you, you
can, you can hit that frequency.
Yeah, and, and that's that'sthe, the, that's what happens in
those group meditations.
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The other thing, more you knowon a on a more physical thing
that happens is that we havedifferent brainwave states.
So when we are in our heart, we,if you use a heart rate
variability monitor from likeheart math or an aura ring or
anything you could actually likesee when you're in coherence or
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not in coherence, and so if you, if you start seeing that that
heart rate variability goingbeing a nice smooth sign curve,
then you have probably broughtyour yourself out of like a beta
brainwave state into a more ofa alpha brainwave state, which
is a creative brainwave state,into a more of a alpha brainwave
state, which is a creativebrainwave state.
And then, of course, the nextbrainwave state after that is
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theta, and theta is the.
It's a hypnotic state wherewe're highly suggestible, so
that's also that state, when wecan manifest more quickly.
And then there's gamma, whichis like super consciousness,
right.
That's like kind of the Godpart, right.
So, however, the interestingthing is the reason why I
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encourage people to practice,practice.
Practice is because we knowwhat our intentions are and we
know what our elevated emotionsare that we want to achieve
because we have spikes of betaall day long.
Yeah, you could potentiallylike hit that gamma, like
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brainwave, at the exact timethat you have you're in the
frequency of that thought oremotion, be it healing.
You know a job, whatever it isthat you want to create from the
infinite field of possibilitiesyeah.
Nika Lawrie (24:02):
So I love that.
I I mean, when I look back onthe experience I had, so it um,
it was a three-day businessworkshop with about a thousand
people and, um, a lot of it wasbusiness education and you know
how to do online stuff.
But then there were a very keymoments where we had, um, a
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woman who's um very well trainedin, uh, meditation and a lot of
other kind of like shamanpractices and things like that,
and she led us through differentmeditation experiences.
And one of the ones that reallystood out to me that I remember
is I had this feeling of, youknow, there was a thousand of us
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sitting in the room and it feltmy eyes were closed and I was
in the meditation and it feltlike there was kind of like a
goldish, yellowish energy comingfrom all of us but it was
swirling up.
So you think about I'm tryingto think of it, I don't know
Maybe think about like the, theMilky way, how we kind of swirl
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right, like, and so it had thisswirl energy of goldish energy
up to the top, which it had kindof a point at the top where all
of our energy was meeting atthat tip.
And I mean, I definitelybelieve in the power of
meditation and the power of, ofum, spirituality and those kind
of things.
I'm not a very woo-woo person,I'm a very, like, scientific,
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evidence-based person and I willtell you like this was a real
experience.
I felt it.
I could feel the energy fromothers, I could feel all of our
energy connected, and so thatwas so profound to me to
understand how, like, being inthe groups is really really key
to have these big transformativemoments, to kind of hit that,
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the gamma moments right, thegamma wave moments and so yeah,
so it was really really powerful.
Can you talk a little bit aboutneuro change solutions and like
give that definition andexplain how that can work or
help people working throughissues?
Carole Murko (26:16):
So you mentioned that I'm a big fan of Dr Joe's
spends, that I am, but I'm alsotrained by him to teach his work
, and so neuro change solutionsis the, the little organization
that he created to to train us.
So there's about 150 of us thatare trained right now, that are
all over the world to teach hiswork, and literally we were
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taught by him, right?
I mean, it's not like you know,and obviously, with that small
number of people, he reallywants to make sure that we
understand the work right andthe model.
And so the model I think I sortof alluded to it in the
beginning is that ourpersonality creates our personal
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reality, and our personality ismade up of how we think, how we
act and how we feel.
And with knowing the statisticsI also brought up, if we indeed
do have all those thoughts aday 60 to 70,000 thoughts a day,
90% of those being the same,and knowing that of those 70,
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80% of those are producing thehormones of stress, and that of
those, by the time we're 35,we're just, they're all like a
subconscious.
Nika Lawrie (27:30):
Yeah.
Carole Murko (27:30):
So, yeah, right, so the program is basically
designed to set up that model,so you really understand that,
and then we do exercises to showyou that.
Look, okay, if you're feelingfrustrated, right, then it might
be a good idea to kind of workbackwards and think like, what
was I thinking?
Did you have an expectationthat wasn't met?
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Why was that expectation notmet?
Or if your actions aren't equalto your intentions, if your
behaviors aren't matching yourthoughts, you're really going to
create probably a negativeemotion, which then will create
the hormones of stress.
So we set that up, then we lookat what stress does to our
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bodies, we really examine that,and then we spend time looking
at the different parts of thebrain that are aligned with, you
know, our thinking, you know soit would be our neocortex, then
our feeling brain, which is ourlimbic brain, and then the seat
of our procedural memory or ourhabits, which is our cerebellum
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.
And so what we really want todo is just know that we have I
teach that we have all thehardware necessary to make
conscious change, and then welook at the different brainwave
states and then we do meditation.
We also do touch on breath work, though, because breath work is
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the single easiest and fastestway to regulate your nervous
system.
Our bodies know the differencebetween regular, ordinary breath
versus conscious breathing,even a simple box breath, and
what happens is that as soon asit senses that you're doing a
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conscious breath, it activatesthe parasympathetic nervous
system and begins to put us intorest and repair.
So a lot of actually Dr JoeDispenza's meditations start
with a breath work and then wemove into guided meditations or
any you know walking meditations, whatever, like I believe in
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all of all meditations.
So.
But in Dr Joe's workspecifically, specifically with
NeuroChange Solutions, we teachpeople to go into their
meditation, like activelycreating what they want.
So having that clear intention.
For me it was like I could seeclearly, right.
So for the first few couple ofyears I literally that.
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I went into my meditations withyou know, my eyes are healed, I
can see clearly.
I had the gene for the disease,so I imagine the disease, the
gene, being turned off, right,like if I turned it on.
Somehow I'm going to turn itoff, and so over time I didn't
have a spontaneous remission,but my symptoms started
disappearing and it wasn't like.
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It was like they were here andthen they were gone.
It was just all of a sudden, Iwas like, oh wait, like I don't
have floaters anymore and Idon't have this vitreous haze
that just would like come upover me like out of randomly.
If I went from a dark room to alight room, a light room to a
dark room, my retinas would justgo, so it looked like I was in
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a bad disco, yeah, and all ofthem disappeared, and I haven't
been on any pharmaceuticalssince, like early 2018.
Since, like early 2018.
And so everything you know thathas happened to me is a result
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of doing this type of work.
Yeah, along with I mean, I thinkthere are three things that I
believe you need to heal.
The first is you have tobelieve that you can.
The second thing you need isyou have to make radical changes
, and so, you know, one radicalchange is, you know, meditating
right, like actually likeunderstanding the process of
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self-mastery and self-love.
And then the last thing is, youknow, after you know, believing
and taking radical action is,if you become healed, then I
believe there's a pact with theuniverse that we must become the
healer, right.
Nika Lawrie (31:54):
Yeah, you got to get to teach it.
Yes, I 100% agree with that.
So a lot of times I hear peoplelike we'll talk about starting
a meditation routine orincorporating it into their
lives and people will say Ican't even, you know, sit by
myself for two minutes.
(32:14):
And I think a lot of that comesfrom just our overload of
information all the time, andyou know, our dopamine hits from
social media scrolling and soit's hard to focus for longer
than a couple minutes.
How do you suggest or do youhave any tips for people who are
just starting to incorporatethis to start to feel more
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comfortable and confident inthemselves and their ability to
be able to meditate?
Carole Murko (32:40):
Well, the first thing is journaling, right.
So?
So the reason why most peoplearen't successful at meditation
is they can't get the monkeymind shut down right.
And so they kind of sit thereand their to-do list or they had
a fight with their husband orwife and they can't get out of
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that loop.
So the first thing you do isyou write all of it.
You kind of write everythingyou're thinking about, Like, get
it on paper so that it'scleared Right, Even if it's your
to do list, you know, becauseyou know sometimes I have like
rushed into a meditation and allof a sudden it's like oh yeah,
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I got to do that and I'm likethen I stop, yeah, OK.
You know, write this down, getit out of the way Clear.
You know, write this down, getit out of the way clear, let's
almost like clear the decks ofyour mind so that they're as
empty as they could possibly be,and that will give you a more
successful like opportunity inmeditation.
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Because you're not and, by theway, you're still going to have
thoughts, because we have allthose thoughts, right, those 60
to 70,000 thoughts, you know.
However, you know if they'renot, you know if they come in
and you basically say no, you goaway.
Right, I'm doing this right now.
That is a successful meditation.
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Yeah, because what's happeningduring that process is one of
the definitions of meditation,which is called know thyself.
That's what the symbol means,right?
So?
So, all of a sudden, you'regoing to know thyself that this
is a thought that wants to comein all the time, but now you're
aware of it and you can stop itand and that is very, very
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successful and you just youmight have to do that for weeks.
Nika Lawrie (34:32):
Yeah, but just keep at it, Keep, yeah, yeah.
You know, for me one of the oneof my favorite things about
meditation is that it's it's themoment that I have to be able
to kind of communicate with youknow, the, the universe or God
or the higher power, whatever itis out there, right, Like that
(34:53):
higher energy.
I feel like I get so muchguidance and you know, and even
like my grocery list will passby as it's telling me to walk
this way, down this journey,right, and so it's like I feel
so much gratitude when Imeditate because I'm like all
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the insecurities and fears Ihave about whatever it is I'm
trying to do, I've gotten clearguidance or at least been given
kind of that next step to takein the journey of whatever it is
I'm trying to do, and so that'smy favorite part of meditation,
for sure.
Yeah.
Carole Murko (35:32):
Well, and I love that you brought up gratitude,
because gratitude has a veryhigh frequency, and so it has
been said that gratitude is theultimate state of receivership.
So when we can be in that stateof gratitude, that's when we
are open to receiving.
And I often tell people who arestruggling to start with, you
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know, and they say, but what ifI'm not really great?
I was like, well, how aboutstarting with the windows, the
windows for keeping the weatherout and letting the light in?
You know, like the chair you'resitting on the grass, that
absorbs, you know, the sunlight.
You know.
And then, and I said, keep itthat basic, because we have
(36:21):
gotten so programmed not to payany attention to all the
miracles around us.
And once you start actuallybecoming grateful for every
little miracle, then it becomesway yeah.
Yeah, yeah, grateful right.
(36:45):
I mean like really there's noend point to any to any of our
anything it's just like.
The end point is joy yeah Ihave.
Nika Lawrie (36:55):
So, um, two things I want.
I want to tell a story becauseit made me think of something I
experienced last night, what youwere saying.
So, um, I had kind of afrustrating evening last night.
So my guest guest bathroomtoilet started running we have
to fix the little stopper thingto say that it's full and I told
my husband about it two weeksago and he hadn't fixed it.
(37:17):
He's very busy, but he hadn'tfixed it.
And, of course, like the on-offvalve broke last night and so
water was just runningcontinuous and my husband's a
pilot and so he flies at nightsometimes, and so it was just my
daughter and I at home and I ampretty handy, but I am by no
means a plumber, and so I waslike really frustrated.
(37:39):
It was like eight o'clock atnight.
I'm trying to get her to finishher homework, I'm trying to
finish up eating and get herready for bed, and this water is
like just running continuously,and so I had to YouTube how to
fix it.
And we had to go to thehardware store twice and I was
so flustered, I was just reallyannoyed.
And we're driving to thehardware store for the second
time and my daughter says to memy daughter's, nine, mind you.
(38:02):
She says to me you know, mama,when I'm really frustrated, the
best thing that works for me isto think about all the good
things that happen in my life.
And I was just like I wasstopped in my tracks when she
said I was so proud.
I'm going to tear up justthinking I was so proud of her
for saying that and forrecognizing that, and it it just
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led back to that.
You know those gratitudepractices that when you can see
all of the good things that arehappening in your life, the
difficult things, the challenges, the frustrating moments, kind
of seem silly and obsolete.
Right, and for a nine year oldto be able to share that with me
was just so beautiful.
(38:44):
So, yeah, beautiful old soul,right, yeah, yeah, she's magical
for sure, wow.
So, so, yeah, beautiful soul,right, yeah, she, yeah, she's,
she's magical for sure, wow.
So, yeah, Tell me, tell meabout how we can start to really
shift.
So I think a lot of people willget.
You know we talked about thisgratitude piece, but I think a
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lot of people will get stuck inthese kinds of negative loops or
kind of get mindset blocks.
Do you have tools that we canuse to kind of move past those
blocks or break those cycles tothen start to see the more
positive thoughts or startshifting our thoughts or
reframing our thoughts.
I hope that made sense.
Carole Murko (39:23):
Yes, so I'm going to first talk about the concept
of neuroplasticity, which isnerve cells that fire together
wire together, and nerve cellsthat no longer fire together no
longer wire together, and whatthat means is that we can
actually prune synapticconnections so our brain can
change, and so one way thatworks with a lot of people is
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understanding that we have thepower to stop that loop right,
because it's just a synapticconnection that's in their brain
and the and they, you couldactually like, just snip it
right, you could, you just, andso you can self-coach yourself,
you could just.
I mean really saying the twowords stop, it is super powerful
(40:09):
.
I mean, as simple andridiculous as it might seem,
like you are actually, by doingthat, in the process of rewiring
your brain.
So, just to understand thatconcept that we can change our
brain, just knowing it and Ithink this is too like the
(40:30):
knowledge that that's how ourbrain works 20 years ago, 25
years ago, neuroplasticityhadn't really.
It was beginning to become, youknow, known, but it hadn't been
studied as much as it's beennow, and so the thought back
then was you can't change right,and so so now science has
(40:51):
proven we can change, and wecould do it simply by saying
stop it, or the best thing to dois like, when you're in loop,
what do you want to replace itwith right?
So if you're so, having thatreplacement, thought and feeling
, so that you have a new target,um, and I feel like that is
really important.
And once you're conscious thatyou're in that thought, you're
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like you're right, I don't wantto be there, I want to be
whatever it is.
You want to be right.
So if you're feeling frustrated, you want to move from
frustration to ease, right Toflow.
So then start imagining whatflow looks like and what you
would need to think and do to bein a flow state.
(41:32):
And so it's really.
You know, it's so keen to beaware and not analytical, so
don't like, oh, I'm in thatthought loop again, right, like,
then you're judging yourself.
So then you pile on anothernegative feeling.
So you catch yourself andyou're just like okay, I get it.
(41:53):
Those thoughts are producinghormones of stress, and hormones
of stress are addictive.
So I just I need to stop them,and so I don't want to feel that
way, I want to feel this way.
So that is really so first,understanding neuroplasticity
and next, having the target thatyou want to create when you're
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in the negative loops.
Nika Lawrie (42:17):
Yeah, it's funny, I you know I hadn't really
thought about it, framed the wayyou just said it, but for me,
the thing that really changed inmy life to going from more of
this like disease and kind ofchaos, I would get a thought and
then I would spiral with thatthought and it would completely
(42:38):
derail you know what I wasworking on or my whole day or
whatever.
It would just make me reallystruggle.
And the tool that I use is whenI start to feel myself
derailing, is I tell myself,nope, like we're just, we're
just not gonna.
That thought is not gonna helpme, it's not gonna do anything,
(42:58):
and so I intentionally shut itoff and I, you know, I don't
know if it's like people talkabout pushing down their
feelings, but I don't reallyfeel like it's pushing down,
it's like pushing it out, it'sno longer allowed in the brain,
and then I start to focus onsomething that's at kind of at a
higher energy level, somethingthat's more positive, and doing
just that simple action or orskill, having that skillset, has
(43:22):
profoundly changed my life andand my ability to, you know,
follow my dreams or make thingshappen, and so it's really cool
to hear it put in that more of ainternal process, I guess
inside your brain.
Carole Murko (43:37):
Yeah, yeah, and that's what's so cool is that we
have everything we need in ourown bodies right To create
conscious, sustainable changeand become anybody we want to
become.
Nika Lawrie (43:51):
Absolutely.
Carole Murko (43:53):
And that's the takeaway, at least you know,
from the NeuroChange Solutionsand the Dr Joe Dispenza work.
And then you know I think Imentioned that I teach Qigong
and I have been practicingQigong for many years Gong and I
have been practicing Qi Gongfor many years.
And the whole traditionalChinese medicine space is,
believe it or not, exactly thesame as what Dr Jung teaches,
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because it's all quantum physics, it's all energy right.
Nika Lawrie (44:18):
It's ironic because it's kind of light years ahead
of where, like Western medicineis in a weird way.
Carole Murko (44:24):
But yeah, it's ancient medicine still yeah,
well, modern science is finallycatching up.
Yeah, exactly Like.
Oh, now we could prove it,because we, you know, have a,
you know a model and a site, youknow the scientific method of
inquiry and all this other stuff.
That's the language, that ofscience, that's the language of
(44:46):
modern society right, yeah,right yeah, and, and now you
know, I think you we hadmentioned before we jumped on to
the podcast that you wouldwatch the source um documentary
about the largest meditationstudies in the world that are
being done by dr joe dispensaand the.
Initially, the researchers werevery skeptical.
Nika Lawrie (45:08):
Very skeptical.
Carole Murko (45:09):
I mean like yeah, we're just like, ok, let's just
get this guy out of our way.
And then you know, they finallygot around to like looking at
all the the test samples andthey ran them.
And then the research assistantcalls the head guys, like,
there's a like, there's an event, which means a statistical
(45:31):
event, and so it's been proventhat if you meditate every day
and you dedicate time to loveyourself enough to do this, that
you can change your bloodmarkers for disease, you can
upregulate your genes.
I mean, it's just, it's provenin the laboratory.
(45:55):
Now it's not just a trust mepractice anymore, and I think
that's why I love this work somuch.
Nika Lawrie (46:02):
Yeah, that was probably the most profound part
for me watching the documentary,because I saw Joe speak maybe a
year ago at an event and I've,you know, I heard about his work
probably in like 2018, 19,something like that, and I was
curious.
But I was also very skepticalbecause I, you know, you hear
(46:22):
about these people that are like, do this and it'll save
everybody.
You know the quote, unquoteshaman that you'll hear about,
you know, in South America orsomething right, like, not
trying to call out a specificarea, but there's stories like
that, and so you do have to beskeptical.
But then, watching hispresentation, he actually went
through the research and, youknow, broke down the data that's
(46:46):
coming out from these studies.
And then, watching the sourcedocumentary and seeing how
skeptical the researchers thatare now working side by, like
they were worried this was goingto ruin their career, right,
like.
And then they go and start, youknow, taking blood samples and
taking, you know, they, they, Idon't know what it's called.
Carole Murko (47:05):
The EEGs yes, the.
Nika Lawrie (47:07):
EEGs.
Yes, you know, and and lookingat that and start to see serious
change.
Mind you, you also have, youknow, hundreds, even thousands
of people that are saying, yes,this changed my life, like, yes,
this did X, y, z for my health,right, and I and, mind you, I
think there are other factorsthat play a big role, like we've
talked about nutrition andlifestyle and other things too.
(47:29):
But understanding how big of apiece this really can be, and
then now to have the science,the actual data, to back it up
too, I think was, was so um, Idon't know, just eyeopening and
exciting, I think, is the bestway to put it.
Carole Murko (47:45):
So, yeah, it's profound, actually the best way
to put it yeah, it's profoundactually.
And the work with my clients,right, when I work with my
clients, you know, eitherthrough like mini retreats or
one-on-ones when they do thework, I mean I'm witness to
miracles, right, because they'redoing it and the thing is, and
(48:10):
I'm a miracle, right, Like I didthe work.
So I think what happens ifyou're like well, you know it
works for you, but it works forother people, but not me.
I think a lot of people havethat sort of like you know, I'm
not a chosen person, right?
It's like, no, you don't needto be chosen, you have to choose
yourself.
Nika Lawrie (48:28):
Yeah, the irony is like, you know, we're humans, we
all sort of work the same way,and so, yeah, if it's going to
work, it's going to work, youknow.
So yeah, yeah.
It's funny Absolutely Well,carol, I've got two final
questions for you, but before Iget to those, is there anything
that we haven't touched on thatyou would like to share that you
(48:50):
think is really importantaround this topic?
Carole Murko (49:04):
The only thing that I will share is that you
know a good chunk of the planetmoving towards love in that
frequency that we can shift.
You know the consciousness of,of all of our lives and and
that's really, I feel, like, themessage.
You know we didn't talk aboutlove, but love is, by far and
(49:27):
above, like the most importantelement I believe in, in the, in
the universe.
Nika Lawrie (49:34):
Yeah, I hundred percent agree.
I think it's so important.
Love and kindness for me is isone of my top values, and I
think kindness and love reallygo hand in hand together.
So I definitely agree, carol.
Where can people find you?
How can they connect with youand hear about all your good
work?
Carole Murko (49:53):
Great my website, which is loveeathealcom.
Love yourself first.
Eat consciously.
Heal what needs to be healed.
Always welcome an email.
It's carol C-A-R-O-L-E atloveyhealcom and that's
generally the best way to reachme.
Nika Lawrie (50:15):
I'll put everything in the show notes.
So, carol, before I get to mylast question, I just want to
thank you and recognize you forthe work that you're doing.
I think it's really importantand there's so many people out
there that need that care andsupport to heal through traumas
or even just to shift theirthought patterns.
Even if they haven't beenthrough like a big T trauma,
(50:36):
those everyday little traumascan really, you know, put us in
a in a dark space.
Yeah, they do add up,definitely, and so I, I just I
commend you for the work you'redoing, and so thank you very,
very much.
Yeah, so last question for youI ask every guest what is
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something that you have eitherlearned or experienced?
Carole Murko (51:00):
that inspired you, that you'd like to share with
others.
I learned an experience that weall have the power to heal.
I mean, really that's it.
I mean it sounds simple butit's.
You know, healing is within ourpower, and so I think that's it
.
I mean it's that.
Nika Lawrie (51:20):
Yeah, I totally agree.
It's, you know, healing'severything, and it's within our
power.
So definitely, yeah, yeah.
Well, carol, thank you so muchfor sharing all your knowledge
and taking the time to be on theshow.
I really appreciate it, oh.
Carole Murko (51:34):
Nika, it was really.
It was my, the pleasure was allmine, and I think what you're
doing is just so fabulous foryour listeners and I'm just so
honored to be on your podcast.
So thank you, thank you, Iappreciate it Welcome.
Welcome to the Inspired with Nika Laurie
podcast.
Carol Marko, welcome to theshow.
I'm so excited to have you heretoday.
Carole Murko (00:19):
Oh, thank you so much for having me, nika.
It's always such a joy to comeon your podcast and others who
are just done such an amazingjob of like stepping on a
platform and creating anaudience, and I thank you so
much for bringing me into yourworld.
Nika Lawrie (00:37):
Absolutely.
I am super grateful to have youhere today.
I love doing podcasts.
The reason I continue is kindof a selfish reason, honestly
because I love meeting newpeople and being able to engage
with them and learn from them.
So I'm super happy to have youhere and come on the show.
So thank you, yeah, you'rewelcome.
Yeah, so today we're going totalk about something that I
(00:58):
haven't really touched on toomuch on the show before, but I
think I know for me it's beenreally really life-changing the
power of meditation and kind ofthat changing the way we think
and using.
I know.
For me group meditation, largegroup meditation, was really
really profound.
It completely changed my life,the experiences I've been
(01:20):
through.
So we're going to talk aboutkind of that the power of
meditation and the power of ourthoughts and how that can really
help us heal.
But before we get into that,will you tell us a little bit
about who you are, what's yourbackstory and what brought you
to health and wellness?
Carole Murko (01:34):
Excellent.
Oh yes, of course, there's thebackstory right, yeah.
Seems like we all get to thehealth and wellness when we get
there.
It's because of the backstory,the backstory always yes.
So you know, back in the oldendays when I was younger and
didn't realize that, like I, wasso conditioned by society, you
(02:00):
know, I graduated from collegeand went to Wall Street of all
places.
I mean, it was completely wrongfor me.
Nika Lawrie (02:07):
Completely absent of health and wellness.
Carole Murko (02:10):
And I knew it, right, but I didn't at the time,
you know, yoga wasn't reallyeven big, I mean, I came of age
in the 80s, right.
So it's like in terms of likebeing, you know, a young adult
and, and I mean yoga was stillsomewhat esoteric, right.
I mean it's like and and so,and nobody spoke.
(02:31):
I knew a couple of my friend'smoms did TM, you know, and it
was like what is that, right,are they weird, you know?
And so there I was, you know,and um, so there I was, you know
, but not, you know, my, my soulwas absolutely unhappy, like I
just knew it at the, at the youknow the depths of my knowing,
(02:53):
and um, but I, you know, Ididn't have an alternative.
So I stuck around for for 15 orso years and then, um, but I
was always super creative.
So I went to school for interiordesign then and what I realized
is that interior design is verycreative.
When you in finance that, Ithought, gosh, I'm just going to
be able to relax in this newcareer of mine where I'm focused
(03:31):
on soft furnishings and fabricsand beauty.
And it turns out that even mypersonality was too much of a
pleaser, like I wantedeverything to be perfect, and so
it wasn't a great business forme, because I didn't know how to
set the boundaries with myclients and, you know, when they
(03:54):
had actually taken too muchfrom me, right?
I didn't know how to be like.
Well, you know, all right,forget it, I'll just I'll do it.
And so I then morphed into oneof my passions, which was
cooking, and I created astorytelling platform called
(04:15):
Heirloom Meals, which I thoughtwas sort of my end.
That was it.
It was this beautiful passionproject.
I grew up in a three-generationhousehold with my Italian
grandparents, and I wanted tocelebrate family recipes and
stories, and so I had an NPRradio show.
I had two public televisionspecials that aired nationally
(04:38):
and I thought, gosh, you know,this is it.
Nika Lawrie (04:41):
You've arrived.
Carole Murko (04:42):
Yeah, this is it, you've arrived.
Yeah, except for the small factthat, like you know, both NPR
and PBS require you to raiseyour own funds, and so I spent a
lot of time raising money toproduce the shows, to have the
team, but I never could figureout how.
To you know, I just didn't.
I wasn't, I was an unknowntalent, as they, as they said
(05:04):
you out in the world of sponsorraising, and so I couldn't raise
the super big enough bucks tosupport, and so I had to work
other jobs, and so this is howwe're getting to the breakdown
of the body.
It's just that it'sunsustainable to you know, to
(05:25):
work seven days a week, hustlingand, you know, still doing
interior designs.
Then I'd gotten my real estatelicense as well, and neither one
of those were soul aligned.
So I had this soul alignedbeautiful project, because I
can't call it a business andthen I was doing all this over
here to, like, keep myselfpaying my bills, yeah, and and
(05:50):
so, and I didn't, I didn'treally see, recognize the little
hints along the way that weresaying your body's talking to
you, I, you know I would havemigraine headaches, I, um, and
then, of course, I would justokay, I know I just would take a
(06:12):
bunch of aspirin and and then,all of a sudden, I developed
GERD from the aspirin, right.
So, like all of those thingswere just, but I I ignored them,
right, it was just.
And then, and then, out ofnowhere in fact, I was landing.
Um, we were going to, I waslanding in Albuquerque, we were
going to visit our friends inSanta Fe, and as we're landing,
I developed all of a sudden itwas like I had like hundreds of
(06:35):
floaters in both of my eyes.
Nika Lawrie (06:37):
Oh, my goodness, that's scary.
Carole Murko (06:40):
It was crazy and I thought it was like maybe I
caught blood vessels, like whenyou know, with pressure, maybe I
popped blood vessels, you know,blood vessels like when you
know with pressure change.
I didn't, you know who knewright.
And so, anyhow, that was, thatwas nine years ago, and I went
to a retina specialist in SantaFe because my you know, it was
like what is this?
And anyway, long story short,it turns out that it was an
(07:05):
extremely rare autoimmune eyedisease that had no known cure
and that, of course, then put meon this whole journey because I
just didn't want to acceptblindness as my end game.
Nika Lawrie (07:20):
Absolutely.
Carole Murko (07:35):
And also didn't feel like the Western model had
a solution.
They only had pharmaceuticalsright, absolutely attacking
itself.
I don't really think our bodieswould do that, and I had this
just feeling that I could healmyself and I think everybody can
heal themselves but we justhaven't been taught that we can
(07:56):
and we haven't been taught thetools that can help us get to
healing.
And that's how I got here.
Nika Lawrie (08:03):
Oh well, that's an amazing story, like so many ups
and downs, and I relate to you alot in that I worked in the
fundraising world for a longtime.
I worked for the Alzheimer'sAssociation.
I've told this story in thispodcast many times, but
fundraising is if you want astressful job, go work in
fundraising.
Like there is almost nothingthat's as stressful as
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fundraising and trying to raiseenough money to keep the doors
open and pay everybody'ssalaries and make sure that the
mission is moving forward.
It's insane and that's what ledto a lot of my health issues
too, which really led me tohealth and wellness and where I
am today.
So definitely relate to that.
But I'm really glad that youwere courageous enough to decide
(08:49):
to take your own health, youknow, take control of your own
health and really try to findways to heal your body more in a
natural manner than justpharmaceuticals.
I think you know there's asmall place for some
pharmaceuticals, but most of thetime a lot of them can be
replaced with good food and diet.
Carole Murko (09:08):
So yeah, yes and good thoughts.
Nika Lawrie (09:13):
Yes, definitely yeah.
So let's talk about that.
It's a perfect segue.
So tell me, I love you have aphilosophy that says first you
are what you think, second youare what you eat.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Can you just elaborate on thata little bit?
What do you mean by think?
And then, obviously, I thinkmost listeners know, because I
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get on my soapbox about what weeat all the time, but talk about
what we think.
That part has been key.
Carole Murko (09:40):
Well, and I really believe that hierarchy is
absolutely spot on, because ourthoughts create our personal
reality, right?
So how we think, how we act andhow we feel create our personal
reality, or our state of being.
And so if we don't have controlof those thoughts, then it
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doesn't matter how healthily weeat.
If you're eating healthy butyou're still stressed out,
you're still in a thinking andfeeling loop that are producing
the hormones of stress.
If you are, you know, actuallythinking like oh, you know, I'm
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eating healthy.
Therefore, you know, I don'thave to worry about anything
else.
Right, it's like you have toget.
You have.
Sorry, my border collie is likehi, maurice, it's time for me to
be padded, it's time for me tobe patted.
So if you see my hand flying,it's a fly, he's a boy who knows
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what he wants.
He's like what's mommy to pathim, anyway?
So, but it goes further thanthat, because you know that's
sort of just.
You know your listeners mightgo.
So what your thoughts?
But our thoughts actuallyproduce chemicals and those
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chemicals then create feelings,and those feelings are often
either kind of positive ornegative, either kind of
positive or negative, and sadly,in our society, statistically,
we spend 70 to 80% of our timeproducing thoughts that create
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the hormones of stress, mm-hmmand so, and let's talk about
stress now.
So we now know that we spendand, by the way that we spend,
and by the way, we have 60 to70,000 thoughts a day.
90% of those thoughts are thesame thoughts you had yesterday,
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which basically means that alot of those thoughts are
unconscious or subconscious.
And by the time we're 35, 95%of how we show up in the world
is a memorized set of habits,conditioned behaviors, etc.
So we are unconscious with 95%.
So our thoughts, you know, sowhatever thought patterns we
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created until we're 35, are justoperating underneath the
surface of our consciousawareness.
So, as women, right.
So the little inner dialogue ohyou're so stupid.
Oh you look fat.
Oh, you're not this.
Oh you're not that.
Oh, look at that, I like hershoes better than mine.
Whatever, all of that dialogueis just that chatter that we
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were taught as women.
I mean, I believe that womenwere basically taught to hate
ourselves.
Oh completely, yeah, and that'sa conditioned thought pattern
that we are most likelyunconscious of, right?
So those negative, unconsciousthought patterns are creating
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the hormones of stress withoutus even knowing it.
And so, and when we're instress, guess what happens to
our physical bodies?
Right, we get narrowly focused,our digestion slows down, our
heart rate changes, our breathwork, our breath, our breathing
changes, blood is moved out toour extremities, and we're
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always ready to run, fight orhide, so we are in survival mode
70% to 80% of the time.
And so, yeah, so, if you don'tthink that has an impact on your
health, so you could eat thehealthiest food on the planet,
but if you are allowing yourthought patterns to create
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stress, no healthy food is goingto undo that stress that your
thoughts have created.
Nika Lawrie (13:53):
Yeah, yeah.
And when you think about it too, it's kind of a triple whammy.
Right now, right, so we havetons of unhealthy food, we're
inundated with stressful thingscontinuously, like the breaking
news and the media constantly ifit bleeds, it leads right and
then social media and all thecraziness that comes with that,
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and then on top of that, we'vekind of innately had these
negative thoughts runningthrough our head all the time.
So it's like this triple whammy.
Oh, and then if you add thefourth one, our sedentary
lifestyles that we now have,right, so you mix them all
together and it's just like thisdetrimental tsunami coming at
you.
So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Carole Murko (14:36):
So that pretty much.
I think hopefully yourlisteners can understand that
our thoughts are at the top ofthe hierarchy in terms of our
health, and then the next, ofcourse, is eating consciously,
right, eating foods that nurture, nourish, but also
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energetically.
I think a lot of people don'tthink about the energetics of
food, mm-hmm, and theconsciousness of the things that
we're eating.
And so once you get to thatspace where you're looking at
food you know really is as astrue sustenance, right, it's
true nourishment, and it shifts,you know, your health profile
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even further.
And I'm sort of against all thislike macro counting, I don't
even know, I mean it's just like, because that I feel like forms
another level of stress ineverybody's life.
Oh my God, I, you know like Iate one gram too much of X, y, z
, and this is a disaster.
And I think we just have to getback to um, to to basics and
(15:48):
just like eating food, eatingseasonally grown food, locally
grown food, as much organic foodas you can, more vegetables
than than animal protein, not,but I'm not against you know,
animal protein and um, sort of,uh, like michaelan, what he says
(16:08):
eat and eat less.
So it's like eat lots ofvegetables, you know, fish and
meat in like maybe 20% and thenless of all of it.
Nika Lawrie (16:21):
Yeah, I think he's also the one that said like
there's some say, if it came ina box, don't eat it, or
something like that.
Like it's yeah, yeah, yeah.
But so I want to go back to ourthoughts and really thinking
about the, the kind of themeditation piece that plays with
that too.
So you know, I mentioned in thebeginning of the show so I've
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been into health and wellnessfor years and years and years.
You know I've I've coached init, I've.
I, while I was fundraising forthe association, I had the
privilege of learning from someof the top Alzheimer's and
dementia researchers in theworld and everything always led
back to what we're eating andour lifestyle.
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And the lifestyle reallyincluded how we're caring for
our body outside of just foodand exercise, right, so it's
like that community aspect.
It's what we're thinking, it'staking enough time to rest, and
then it's our thought patternsand meditation and taking those
breaks as well.
So, thinking about themeditation piece, talk to me a
little bit.
I know you're a fan of JoeDispenza and his work around
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meditation, especially groupmeditation.
So kind of long conversation toget to where I'm going.
But for me, I've donemeditation for years and I've
always had a benefit from it.
But life-changing momentshappened to me when I was in
groups meditating.
I was at one conference andthere was about a thousand
(17:52):
people there and I had one ofthe most spiritual experiences
I've ever had in my entire life.
And I've had the privilege togo to a couple other large group
meditations and have really,really taken a lot back from
those experiences.
Can you talk about kind ofmeditation in that group setting
and what power can really comefrom that and why it can be so
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transformative?
Carole Murko (18:15):
yes, yes so one of the things when we we I talked,
talked about the fact that ourthoughts produce a chemical, but
they also, um, send out asignal into the field, right?
And so when you get a largegroup of people over several
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days that are really focused onreturning to love, right, deeply
connecting into your heart,which is basically, you know,
produces a much biggerelectromagnetic signal than our
brain does, and what happens iswe start to.
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You know, there's this wholeconcept of quantum entanglement,
right?
So now, all of a sudden, you'rein this big space and we become
quantumly entangled with allthe other people in the room
that are opening up their heartspace, and so, as you imagine,
that actually creates anexponential impact.
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And I don't know if you've readthe work of Dr David Hawkins.
He wrote a book called PowerVersus Force.
I haven't, but I'm going tocheck it out.
Oh my God, it's so fascinatingbecause he spent 40 years, david
Hawkins.
He wrote a book called PowerVersus Force.
I haven't, but I'm going tocheck it out.
Oh my God, it's so fascinatingbecause he spent 40 years.
He's a medical doctor.
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And then he really becamefascinated with consciousness,
and so he decided that he wantedto map the scale of human
emotions, or what he was callingthe map of consciousness, and
so he wanted to reallyunderstand the differences
between the lower um, um, youknow, kind of the lower centers,
right where we have shame andsadness and anger and all of
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those negative emotions like um,also like frustration and um.
And you know, once you get tothe heart it's love and then
it's joy and bliss and it keepsgoing up the scale to
enlightenment.
And so what he did was and Idon't, you know, I wasn't in the
, you know, I don't I all I didwas read his books.
I don't quite understand.
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He used kinesiology to measureand he worked with all different
you know, using the scientificmethod of inquiry to measure all
these different emotions.
And so he was able then to putit on a logarithmic scale and
what he was able to prove wasthat lower frequency emotions
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are collectively not as powerfulas higher frequency emotions.
So when we begin to move up thescale, they exponentially
impact the consciousness of theplanet.
And what he said was that atthe time, his book, I think, was
published in 2009.
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There were like seven or eightenlightened beings on the planet
at the time.
He said, one enlightened beingoffsets 70 million people in the
frequencies below love.
Nika Lawrie (21:26):
Yeah, that's incredible.
Carole Murko (21:29):
Right, so you put a bunch of people in the room,
we're all raising each other'sfrequency.
So then all of a sudden, youknow you are like tapping into
the field at a much higherfrequency level.
And then you know, and that'swhen all those unlimited
possibilities start beingavailable to you, right, and so
if you just happen in, whileyou're in that space, to have an
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intention that has a particularfrequency and that frequency is
, you know, kind of floatingaround in that field, because
there's thousands of people, itmay be that you, you, you, you
can, you can hit that frequency.
Yeah, and, and that's that'sthe, the, that's what happens in
those group meditations.
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The other thing, more you knowon a on a more physical thing
that happens is that we havedifferent brainwave states.
So when we are in our heart, we,if you use a heart rate
variability monitor from likeheart math or an aura ring or
anything you could actually likesee when you're in coherence or
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not in coherence, and so if you, if you start seeing that that
heart rate variability goingbeing a nice smooth sign curve,
then you have probably broughtyour yourself out of like a beta
brainwave state into a more ofa alpha brainwave state, which
is a creative brainwave state,into a more of a alpha brainwave
state, which is a creativebrainwave state.
And then, of course, the nextbrainwave state after that is
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theta, and theta is the.
It's a hypnotic state wherewe're highly suggestible, so
that's also that state, when wecan manifest more quickly.
And then there's gamma, whichis like super consciousness,
right.
That's like kind of the Godpart, right.
So, however, the interestingthing is the reason why I
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encourage people to practice,practice.
Practice is because we knowwhat our intentions are and we
know what our elevated emotionsare that we want to achieve
because we have spikes of betaall day long.
Yeah, you could potentiallylike hit that gamma, like
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brainwave, at the exact timethat you have you're in the
frequency of that thought oremotion, be it healing.
You know a job, whatever it isthat you want to create from the
infinite field of possibilitiesyeah.
Nika Lawrie (24:02):
So I love that.
I I mean, when I look back onthe experience I had, so it um,
it was a three-day businessworkshop with about a thousand
people and, um, a lot of it wasbusiness education and you know
how to do online stuff.
But then there were a very keymoments where we had, um, a
(24:24):
woman who's um very well trainedin, uh, meditation and a lot of
other kind of like shamanpractices and things like that,
and she led us through differentmeditation experiences.
And one of the ones that reallystood out to me that I remember
is I had this feeling of, youknow, there was a thousand of us
(24:47):
sitting in the room and it feltmy eyes were closed and I was
in the meditation and it feltlike there was kind of like a
goldish, yellowish energy comingfrom all of us but it was
swirling up.
So you think about I'm tryingto think of it, I don't know
Maybe think about like the, theMilky way, how we kind of swirl
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right, like, and so it had thisswirl energy of goldish energy
up to the top, which it had kindof a point at the top where all
of our energy was meeting atthat tip.
And I mean, I definitelybelieve in the power of
meditation and the power of, ofum, spirituality and those kind
of things.
I'm not a very woo-woo person,I'm a very, like, scientific,
(25:29):
evidence-based person and I willtell you like this was a real
experience.
I felt it.
I could feel the energy fromothers, I could feel all of our
energy connected, and so thatwas so profound to me to
understand how, like, being inthe groups is really really key
to have these big transformativemoments, to kind of hit that,
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the gamma moments right, thegamma wave moments and so yeah,
so it was really really powerful.
Can you talk a little bit aboutneuro change solutions and like
give that definition andexplain how that can work or
help people working throughissues?
Carole Murko (26:16):
So you mentioned that I'm a big fan of Dr Joe's
spends, that I am, but I'm alsotrained by him to teach his work
, and so neuro change solutionsis the, the little organization
that he created to to train us.
So there's about 150 of us thatare trained right now, that are
all over the world to teach hiswork, and literally we were
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taught by him, right?
I mean, it's not like you know,and obviously, with that small
number of people, he reallywants to make sure that we
understand the work right andthe model.
And so the model I think I sortof alluded to it in the
beginning is that ourpersonality creates our personal
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reality, and our personality ismade up of how we think, how we
act and how we feel.
And with knowing the statisticsI also brought up, if we indeed
do have all those thoughts aday 60 to 70,000 thoughts a day,
90% of those being the same,and knowing that of those 70,
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80% of those are producing thehormones of stress, and that of
those, by the time we're 35,we're just, they're all like a
subconscious.
Nika Lawrie (27:30):
Yeah.
Carole Murko (27:30):
So, yeah, right, so the program is basically
designed to set up that model,so you really understand that,
and then we do exercises to showyou that.
Look, okay, if you're feelingfrustrated, right, then it might
be a good idea to kind of workbackwards and think like, what
was I thinking?
Did you have an expectationthat wasn't met?
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Why was that expectation notmet?
Or if your actions aren't equalto your intentions, if your
behaviors aren't matching yourthoughts, you're really going to
create probably a negativeemotion, which then will create
the hormones of stress.
So we set that up, then we lookat what stress does to our
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bodies, we really examine that,and then we spend time looking
at the different parts of thebrain that are aligned with, you
know, our thinking, you know soit would be our neocortex, then
our feeling brain, which is ourlimbic brain, and then the seat
of our procedural memory or ourhabits, which is our cerebellum
(28:40):
.
And so what we really want todo is just know that we have I
teach that we have all thehardware necessary to make
conscious change, and then welook at the different brainwave
states and then we do meditation.
We also do touch on breath work, though, because breath work is
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the single easiest and fastestway to regulate your nervous
system.
Our bodies know the differencebetween regular, ordinary breath
versus conscious breathing,even a simple box breath, and
what happens is that as soon asit senses that you're doing a
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conscious breath, it activatesthe parasympathetic nervous
system and begins to put us intorest and repair.
So a lot of actually Dr JoeDispenza's meditations start
with a breath work and then wemove into guided meditations or
any you know walking meditations, whatever, like I believe in
(29:44):
all of all meditations.
So.
But in Dr Joe's workspecifically, specifically with
NeuroChange Solutions, we teachpeople to go into their
meditation, like activelycreating what they want.
So having that clear intention.
For me it was like I could seeclearly, right.
So for the first few couple ofyears I literally that.
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I went into my meditations withyou know, my eyes are healed, I
can see clearly.
I had the gene for the disease,so I imagine the disease, the
gene, being turned off, right,like if I turned it on.
Somehow I'm going to turn itoff, and so over time I didn't
have a spontaneous remission,but my symptoms started
disappearing and it wasn't like.
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It was like they were here andthen they were gone.
It was just all of a sudden, Iwas like, oh wait, like I don't
have floaters anymore and Idon't have this vitreous haze
that just would like come upover me like out of randomly.
If I went from a dark room to alight room, a light room to a
dark room, my retinas would justgo, so it looked like I was in
(30:56):
a bad disco, yeah, and all ofthem disappeared, and I haven't
been on any pharmaceuticalssince, like early 2018.
Since, like early 2018.
And so everything you know thathas happened to me is a result
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of doing this type of work.
Yeah, along with I mean, I thinkthere are three things that I
believe you need to heal.
The first is you have tobelieve that you can.
The second thing you need isyou have to make radical changes
, and so, you know, one radicalchange is, you know, meditating
right, like actually likeunderstanding the process of
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self-mastery and self-love.
And then the last thing is, youknow, after you know, believing
and taking radical action is,if you become healed, then I
believe there's a pact with theuniverse that we must become the
healer, right.
Nika Lawrie (31:54):
Yeah, you got to get to teach it.
Yes, I 100% agree with that.
So a lot of times I hear peoplelike we'll talk about starting
a meditation routine orincorporating it into their
lives and people will say Ican't even, you know, sit by
myself for two minutes.
(32:14):
And I think a lot of that comesfrom just our overload of
information all the time, andyou know, our dopamine hits from
social media scrolling and soit's hard to focus for longer
than a couple minutes.
How do you suggest or do youhave any tips for people who are
just starting to incorporatethis to start to feel more
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comfortable and confident inthemselves and their ability to
be able to meditate?
Carole Murko (32:40):
Well, the first thing is journaling, right.
So?
So the reason why most peoplearen't successful at meditation
is they can't get the monkeymind shut down right.
And so they kind of sit thereand their to-do list or they had
a fight with their husband orwife and they can't get out of
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that loop.
So the first thing you do isyou write all of it.
You kind of write everythingyou're thinking about, Like, get
it on paper so that it'scleared Right, Even if it's your
to do list, you know, becauseyou know sometimes I have like
rushed into a meditation and allof a sudden it's like oh yeah,
(33:21):
I got to do that and I'm likethen I stop, yeah, OK.
You know, write this down, getit out of the way Clear.
You know, write this down, getit out of the way clear, let's
almost like clear the decks ofyour mind so that they're as
empty as they could possibly be,and that will give you a more
successful like opportunity inmeditation.
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Because you're not and, by theway, you're still going to have
thoughts, because we have allthose thoughts, right, those 60
to 70,000 thoughts, you know.
However, you know if they'renot, you know if they come in
and you basically say no, you goaway.
Right, I'm doing this right now.
That is a successful meditation.
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Yeah, because what's happeningduring that process is one of
the definitions of meditation,which is called know thyself.
That's what the symbol means,right?
So?
So, all of a sudden, you'regoing to know thyself that this
is a thought that wants to comein all the time, but now you're
aware of it and you can stop itand and that is very, very
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successful and you just youmight have to do that for weeks.
Nika Lawrie (34:32):
Yeah, but just keep at it, Keep, yeah, yeah.
You know, for me one of the oneof my favorite things about
meditation is that it's it's themoment that I have to be able
to kind of communicate with youknow, the, the universe or God
or the higher power, whatever itis out there, right, Like that
(34:53):
higher energy.
I feel like I get so muchguidance and you know, and even
like my grocery list will passby as it's telling me to walk
this way, down this journey,right, and so it's like I feel
so much gratitude when Imeditate because I'm like all
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the insecurities and fears Ihave about whatever it is I'm
trying to do, I've gotten clearguidance or at least been given
kind of that next step to takein the journey of whatever it is
I'm trying to do, and so that'smy favorite part of meditation,
for sure.
Yeah.
Carole Murko (35:32):
Well, and I love that you brought up gratitude,
because gratitude has a veryhigh frequency, and so it has
been said that gratitude is theultimate state of receivership.
So when we can be in that stateof gratitude, that's when we
are open to receiving.
And I often tell people who arestruggling to start with, you
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know, and they say, but what ifI'm not really great?
I was like, well, how aboutstarting with the windows, the
windows for keeping the weatherout and letting the light in?
You know, like the chair you'resitting on the grass, that
absorbs, you know, the sunlight.
You know.
And then, and I said, keep itthat basic, because we have
(36:21):
gotten so programmed not to payany attention to all the
miracles around us.
And once you start actuallybecoming grateful for every
little miracle, then it becomesway yeah.
Yeah, yeah, grateful right.
(36:45):
I mean like really there's noend point to any to any of our
anything it's just like.
The end point is joy yeah Ihave.
Nika Lawrie (36:55):
So, um, two things I want.
I want to tell a story becauseit made me think of something I
experienced last night, what youwere saying.
So, um, I had kind of afrustrating evening last night.
So my guest guest bathroomtoilet started running we have
to fix the little stopper thingto say that it's full and I told
my husband about it two weeksago and he hadn't fixed it.
(37:17):
He's very busy, but he hadn'tfixed it.
And, of course, like the on-offvalve broke last night and so
water was just runningcontinuous and my husband's a
pilot and so he flies at nightsometimes, and so it was just my
daughter and I at home and I ampretty handy, but I am by no
means a plumber, and so I waslike really frustrated.
(37:39):
It was like eight o'clock atnight.
I'm trying to get her to finishher homework, I'm trying to
finish up eating and get herready for bed, and this water is
like just running continuously,and so I had to YouTube how to
fix it.
And we had to go to thehardware store twice and I was
so flustered, I was just reallyannoyed.
And we're driving to thehardware store for the second
time and my daughter says to memy daughter's, nine, mind you.
(38:02):
She says to me you know, mama,when I'm really frustrated, the
best thing that works for me isto think about all the good
things that happen in my life.
And I was just like I wasstopped in my tracks when she
said I was so proud.
I'm going to tear up justthinking I was so proud of her
for saying that and forrecognizing that, and it it just
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led back to that.
You know those gratitudepractices that when you can see
all of the good things that arehappening in your life, the
difficult things, the challenges, the frustrating moments, kind
of seem silly and obsolete.
Right, and for a nine year oldto be able to share that with me
was just so beautiful.
(38:44):
So, yeah, beautiful old soul,right, yeah, yeah, she's magical
for sure, wow.
So, so, yeah, beautiful soul,right, yeah, she, yeah, she's,
she's magical for sure, wow.
So, yeah, Tell me, tell meabout how we can start to really
shift.
So I think a lot of people willget.
You know we talked about thisgratitude piece, but I think a
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lot of people will get stuck inthese kinds of negative loops or
kind of get mindset blocks.
Do you have tools that we canuse to kind of move past those
blocks or break those cycles tothen start to see the more
positive thoughts or startshifting our thoughts or
reframing our thoughts.
I hope that made sense.
Carole Murko (39:23):
Yes, so I'm going to first talk about the concept
of neuroplasticity, which isnerve cells that fire together
wire together, and nerve cellsthat no longer fire together no
longer wire together, and whatthat means is that we can
actually prune synapticconnections so our brain can
change, and so one way thatworks with a lot of people is
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understanding that we have thepower to stop that loop right,
because it's just a synapticconnection that's in their brain
and the and they, you couldactually like, just snip it
right, you could, you just, andso you can self-coach yourself,
you could just.
I mean really saying the twowords stop, it is super powerful
(40:09):
.
I mean, as simple andridiculous as it might seem,
like you are actually, by doingthat, in the process of rewiring
your brain.
So, just to understand thatconcept that we can change our
brain, just knowing it and Ithink this is too like the
(40:30):
knowledge that that's how ourbrain works 20 years ago, 25
years ago, neuroplasticityhadn't really.
It was beginning to become, youknow, known, but it hadn't been
studied as much as it's beennow, and so the thought back
then was you can't change right,and so so now science has
(40:51):
proven we can change, and wecould do it simply by saying
stop it, or the best thing to dois like, when you're in loop,
what do you want to replace itwith right?
So if you're so, having thatreplacement, thought and feeling
, so that you have a new target,um, and I feel like that is
really important.
And once you're conscious thatyou're in that thought, you're
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like you're right, I don't wantto be there, I want to be
whatever it is.
You want to be right.
So if you're feeling frustrated, you want to move from
frustration to ease, right Toflow.
So then start imagining whatflow looks like and what you
would need to think and do to bein a flow state.
(41:32):
And so it's really.
You know, it's so keen to beaware and not analytical, so
don't like, oh, I'm in thatthought loop again, right, like,
then you're judging yourself.
So then you pile on anothernegative feeling.
So you catch yourself andyou're just like okay, I get it.
(41:53):
Those thoughts are producinghormones of stress, and hormones
of stress are addictive.
So I just I need to stop them,and so I don't want to feel that
way, I want to feel this way.
So that is really so first,understanding neuroplasticity
and next, having the target thatyou want to create when you're
(42:14):
in the negative loops.
Nika Lawrie (42:17):
Yeah, it's funny, I you know I hadn't really
thought about it, framed the wayyou just said it, but for me,
the thing that really changed inmy life to going from more of
this like disease and kind ofchaos, I would get a thought and
then I would spiral with thatthought and it would completely
(42:38):
derail you know what I wasworking on or my whole day or
whatever.
It would just make me reallystruggle.
And the tool that I use is whenI start to feel myself
derailing, is I tell myself,nope, like we're just, we're
just not gonna.
That thought is not gonna helpme, it's not gonna do anything,
(42:58):
and so I intentionally shut itoff and I, you know, I don't
know if it's like people talkabout pushing down their
feelings, but I don't reallyfeel like it's pushing down,
it's like pushing it out, it'sno longer allowed in the brain,
and then I start to focus onsomething that's at kind of at a
higher energy level, somethingthat's more positive, and doing
just that simple action or orskill, having that skillset, has
(43:22):
profoundly changed my life andand my ability to, you know,
follow my dreams or make thingshappen, and so it's really cool
to hear it put in that more of ainternal process, I guess
inside your brain.
Carole Murko (43:37):
Yeah, yeah, and that's what's so cool is that we
have everything we need in ourown bodies right To create
conscious, sustainable changeand become anybody we want to
become.
Nika Lawrie (43:51):
Absolutely.
Carole Murko (43:53):
And that's the takeaway, at least you know,
from the NeuroChange Solutionsand the Dr Joe Dispenza work.
And then you know I think Imentioned that I teach Qigong
and I have been practicingQigong for many years Gong and I
have been practicing Qi Gongfor many years.
And the whole traditionalChinese medicine space is,
believe it or not, exactly thesame as what Dr Jung teaches,
(44:15):
because it's all quantum physics, it's all energy right.
Nika Lawrie (44:18):
It's ironic because it's kind of light years ahead
of where, like Western medicineis in a weird way.
Carole Murko (44:24):
But yeah, it's ancient medicine still yeah,
well, modern science is finallycatching up.
Yeah, exactly Like.
Oh, now we could prove it,because we, you know, have a,
you know a model and a site, youknow the scientific method of
inquiry and all this other stuff.
That's the language, that ofscience, that's the language of
(44:46):
modern society right, yeah,right yeah, and, and now you
know, I think you we hadmentioned before we jumped on to
the podcast that you wouldwatch the source um documentary
about the largest meditationstudies in the world that are
being done by dr joe dispensaand the.
Initially, the researchers werevery skeptical.
Nika Lawrie (45:08):
Very skeptical.
Carole Murko (45:09):
I mean like yeah, we're just like, ok, let's just
get this guy out of our way.
And then you know, they finallygot around to like looking at
all the the test samples andthey ran them.
And then the research assistantcalls the head guys, like,
there's a like, there's an event, which means a statistical
(45:31):
event, and so it's been proventhat if you meditate every day
and you dedicate time to loveyourself enough to do this, that
you can change your bloodmarkers for disease, you can
upregulate your genes.
I mean, it's just, it's provenin the laboratory.
(45:55):
Now it's not just a trust mepractice anymore, and I think
that's why I love this work somuch.
Nika Lawrie (46:02):
Yeah, that was probably the most profound part
for me watching the documentary,because I saw Joe speak maybe a
year ago at an event and I've,you know, I heard about his work
probably in like 2018, 19,something like that, and I was
curious.
But I was also very skepticalbecause I, you know, you hear
(46:22):
about these people that are like, do this and it'll save
everybody.
You know the quote, unquoteshaman that you'll hear about,
you know, in South America orsomething right, like, not
trying to call out a specificarea, but there's stories like
that, and so you do have to beskeptical.
But then, watching hispresentation, he actually went
through the research and, youknow, broke down the data that's
(46:46):
coming out from these studies.
And then, watching the sourcedocumentary and seeing how
skeptical the researchers thatare now working side by, like
they were worried this was goingto ruin their career, right,
like.
And then they go and start, youknow, taking blood samples and
taking, you know, they, they, Idon't know what it's called.
Carole Murko (47:05):
The EEGs yes, the.
Nika Lawrie (47:07):
EEGs.
Yes, you know, and and lookingat that and start to see serious
change.
Mind you, you also have, youknow, hundreds, even thousands
of people that are saying, yes,this changed my life, like, yes,
this did X, y, z for my health,right, and I and, mind you, I
think there are other factorsthat play a big role, like we've
talked about nutrition andlifestyle and other things too.
(47:29):
But understanding how big of apiece this really can be, and
then now to have the science,the actual data, to back it up
too, I think was, was so um, Idon't know, just eyeopening and
exciting, I think, is the bestway to put it.
Carole Murko (47:45):
So, yeah, it's profound, actually the best way
to put it yeah, it's profoundactually.
And the work with my clients,right, when I work with my
clients, you know, eitherthrough like mini retreats or
one-on-ones when they do thework, I mean I'm witness to
miracles, right, because they'redoing it and the thing is, and
(48:10):
I'm a miracle, right, Like I didthe work.
So I think what happens ifyou're like well, you know it
works for you, but it works forother people, but not me.
I think a lot of people havethat sort of like you know, I'm
not a chosen person, right?
It's like, no, you don't needto be chosen, you have to choose
yourself.
Nika Lawrie (48:28):
Yeah, the irony is like, you know, we're humans, we
all sort of work the same way,and so, yeah, if it's going to
work, it's going to work, youknow.
So yeah, yeah.
It's funny Absolutely Well,carol, I've got two final
questions for you, but before Iget to those, is there anything
that we haven't touched on thatyou would like to share that you
(48:50):
think is really importantaround this topic?
Carole Murko (49:04):
The only thing that I will share is that you
know a good chunk of the planetmoving towards love in that
frequency that we can shift.
You know the consciousness of,of all of our lives and and
that's really, I feel, like, themessage.
You know we didn't talk aboutlove, but love is, by far and
(49:27):
above, like the most importantelement I believe in, in the, in
the universe.
Nika Lawrie (49:34):
Yeah, I hundred percent agree.
I think it's so important.
Love and kindness for me is isone of my top values, and I
think kindness and love reallygo hand in hand together.
So I definitely agree, carol.
Where can people find you?
How can they connect with youand hear about all your good
work?
Carole Murko (49:53):
Great my website, which is loveeathealcom.
Love yourself first.
Eat consciously.
Heal what needs to be healed.
Always welcome an email.
It's carol C-A-R-O-L-E atloveyhealcom and that's
generally the best way to reachme.
Nika Lawrie (50:15):
I'll put everything in the show notes.
So, carol, before I get to mylast question, I just want to
thank you and recognize you forthe work that you're doing.
I think it's really importantand there's so many people out
there that need that care andsupport to heal through traumas
or even just to shift theirthought patterns.
Even if they haven't beenthrough like a big T trauma,
(50:36):
those everyday little traumascan really, you know, put us in
a in a dark space.
Yeah, they do add up,definitely, and so I, I just I
commend you for the work you'redoing, and so thank you very,
very much.
Yeah, so last question for youI ask every guest what is
(50:57):
something that you have eitherlearned or experienced?
Carole Murko (51:00):
that inspired you, that you'd like to share with
others.
I learned an experience that weall have the power to heal.
I mean, really that's it.
I mean it sounds simple butit's.
You know, healing is within ourpower, and so I think that's it
.
I mean it's that.
Nika Lawrie (51:20):
Yeah, I totally agree.
It's, you know, healing'severything, and it's within our
power.
So definitely, yeah, yeah.
Well, carol, thank you so muchfor sharing all your knowledge
and taking the time to be on theshow.
I really appreciate it, oh.
Carole Murko (51:34):
Nika, it was really.
It was my, the pleasure was allmine, and I think what you're
doing is just so fabulous foryour listeners and I'm just so
honored to be on your podcast.
So thank you, thank you, Iappreciate it Welcome.
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