December 19, 2022 • 41 mins
About Elizabeth Byler: the Creative Image Director of Eden Environments. Interesting story and insights on inclusive and sustainable design valuable. Started this business after feeling the emotional and physical stress of being in spaces that were not designed with their type of body in mind.
Their platform covers:
· size-inclusive design
· neurodivergent design
· sustainable design
· trauma-informed design
These design strategies are relevant for workspace design following the pandemic disruption and can be used for home office, office buildings, retail, hospitality, and everywhere else. Connect with Elizabeth using these strategies to improve mental health, productivity, and creativity at work.
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She's a dedicated to all my beautiful queen.
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Thank you guys for joining another episode of the qchat
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today. My special guest is Miss
Elizabeth, Filer, and Elizabeth is the created image director of
Eden environments. She has a very interesting
business, so we're just going totalk about everything regarding
design strategies. And I think she has a really
interesting platform that. It'd be really helpful.
So, how you doing today? I'm doing great.
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Yeah, happy to be here. How are you doing?
I'm doing great. I'm very Happy to speak with
you. So before we dive deep, can you
start off by telling everyone? Exactly, you know, what is
eating environment and how did you come up with this?
Yeah, absolutely. Hey everyone, I am Elizabeth my
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pronouns. Are they them theirs?
And I started eating environments because I was
sitting in an office lobby waiting for an interview with
this nonprofit. I was looking around and I kind
of felt like I was in the nursing home, which was super
weird to me because this nonprofit was like focused on
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helping children all around the world, but looking around like
the furniture was really outdated.
And so I was kind of like am I even in the right place?
So I ended up getting the job and then one of the projects
that I took on was actually renovating the space and during
that process like I redid The carpet and painted and got some
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new furniture kind of move. Some of the furniture around in
the space and really fell in love with the process.
But even more the outcome seeingpeople like come in and be like
is this still our same office and just feeling kind of that
new energy that was in the spacewas really cool.
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So I think moving from there. I went into business Consulting
and kind of saw how there's a lot of things that are done,
business Consulting, that are all very good and very important
for business. But what I was, interviewing
employees, I noticed that nobodywas addressing the physical
space and how that affects people.
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So I got really excited about filling that Gap with eat it
environment. So we're focused on creating
inclusive and sustainable spaceswith a particular Focus.
Saint office design because that's just how it kind of
started. That was my first project and
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still is where my passion lies. Because I think we all deserve a
space that works for us while we're trying to do the important
work that we're doing. I think that's so interesting.
What you're doing and you brought up a good point.
Just reading through your bio and everything about the
emotional and physical stress that can be involved with
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certain work environments. And I work in an environment in
the past where like the walls were great concrete as really
drab and it really mess with my mental health.
A lot, you know, I felt like I was trapped, you know, and I
just I don't know like it reallydid mess with my mental are
Energy. So I would like to get like, and
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actually more regarding like, I know you said, you started the
business after feeling the emotional and physical stress of
being in space, with that weren't designed also with your
type of body and mind. And I know you did mention it
energy and your environment, really can zap your energy.
And I don't think people really think about that.
That just a room, the decor, thespace, everything can really
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mess with your head. So I want Go over the Four
Points. I know with the design
strategies and the first one wassighs inclusive design.
So it can you touch on that and inform everyone regarding size
inclusive design? Yeah, absolutely.
And I like that you highlighted the effect of space because I
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think that's something that people don't think about.
Like we're just inside, right? Think about how the space is
impacting you. Yeah.
So sighs inclusive design. Is focused on designing spaces
that work for larger bodies. A lot of space design is very
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standardized and that standard doesn't work for everybody.
Like it's been based off of mainly like cishet white males,
that were a certain height and body build.
And now the workforce is very diverse and just Society in
general has It's grown a lot. And so, the size inclusive
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design is looking at things likeseating, do you have a variety
of seating? Do you have seating that doesn't
have? Armchairs.
So that people with wider hips, like me, well, feel comfortable
and not like squished into tiny little seat or sometimes you do
need an armrest for somebody whoneeds it for like Mobility to
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get up and down. So kind of having that Variety
in this space. So everybody's needs are being
met. I think it's important and
another place that we see size inclusion would be like
walkways. I know, sometimes they're just
these, like, I think of an airplane.
Like I don't know how people getpast each other super easily.
I'm always like trying to make myself smaller to fit through
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those spaces and that's uncomfortable, and I don't think
that people should be experiencing space like that.
They should be restricted from going to the Their local coffee
shop because the seats are uncomfortable, like people
should have access to the space that they want to be him.
Right, right? And that, that thing is, another
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thing that can be considered, you know, one thing again that I
noticed with the strategy, the strategies that you have, that
it does improve mental, health, productivity, and creativity.
I mean, of course, when you're in a work environment, if the
energy is off, and it's like the, if the actual like actual
environment when you walk into your office and maybe even the
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lighting, you know, in the furniture like you said, Ed the
desk, everything it just if it doesn't and if it's not
inviting, it really will affect the productivity, the mental
health and also the creativity are even retention, you know,
because then your money like I don't like being here so on
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people and I think that's why I even after the pandemic a lot of
people are so happy to work fromhome because okay.
In your own personal space and ISome people really just did not
miss being in the whole office setting, you know, outside of
working with people, but just the literal office setting is
not comfortable for everyone. So I want to definitely let you
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touch on the second part, which was the neurodivergent design.
So let's go ahead and explain that to everyone.
Yeah, definitely so nerd to Virgin is kind of an umbrella
term that encompasses a lot of different things.
It's like autism ADHD, being highly sensitive, it can also
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include some mental health diagnosis as well.
Basically a different way of thinking nonlinear thinking so
people that Just don't always gofrom point A to point B and the
way that you that some people think you should write.
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Yeah. So it's increasing and
awareness. I think people are becoming more
aware of how exactly their brainworks, and there's different
technologies that can do brain scans and things.
So that's cool. Like the science part of it, but
when we're thinking about design, different strategies
that I use one of them is calleda visual inventory.
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And basically what that means isbeing able to see your things
clearly and in an organized way,which I think benefits everyone,
but specifically with virgins sometimes like I have I
occasionally have the problem that if I don't see something
physically, I forget where it is.
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I like it doesn't exist, basically like it's just hard to
remember, right things. So, for example, Sample in my
pantry, I have these clear storage containers.
And so if I buy cereal, like rice pasta, things like that,
they go in there. So they aren't just all
chaotically around a closed cabinet, but I can visually see
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everything that I have. I know how much is there and
when I'm like, cooking I can look at it and now, okay, I want
this thing. So when were Translating that to
the business that I'm, it's alsogood because then you aren't
over-ordering offices. Sighs just because you can't
find them like it's so very good.
Systematic way to do things. Also with that, I think about
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things like you were saying withlighting and kind of the
stimulation that's in the space.I'm the type of person that
likes more low, lighting, less sound like very comfortable,
soft Fabrics all around me and I'm pretty particular about that
and how things feel and sound inthe space and other people do
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need more commotion happening for them to be able to focus,
like it actually helps. So, having kind of different
zones in a space can be really helpful so that if someone wants
to be in the space, that is a little bit more, there's more
happening, there's people talking loudly and that helps
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them work like having that option, but also having some of
those more, like, quiet. Rooms for decompression that
again. I think these options like do
help everyone like their strategies for a specific group
of people but like who wouldn't want a nice quiet place to get
away during a work day. Wow, you need it.
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I just, you know, I guess that is so interesting what you're
doing because again, I just don't think sometimes
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Because again, I just don't think sometimes people correlate
just your actual environment andyour mental health.
The emotional health, your energy level.
I think sometimes really can bring you down, you know, even
our living spaces at home, you know, like clutter for example,
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living in cluttered, things likethat.
It really weighs on you. So your environment is super
important and I'm how long have you been in business?
Yeah. So I started in 2019 319 okay.
Oh wow. So right before it depends and
make did the pendant make a stack.
Your business at all it did. Yeah.
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And I think maybe the most significant way that it impacted
my business, is that it impactedme?
Like, that was a really rough year, not just the pandemic but
also like George, Floyd's murderBrianna Taylor.
That was it's just a stressful time.
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Oh yeah. Yeah, so I think I just I kind
of took a few months to reflect and regroup and so it was
helpful in the sense that it gave me the clarity that this is
still something that I think is really important and something
that matters and that I want to do even if if the world is
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ending tomorrow like this is still what I want to be doing
that was yeah I feel like that was a really powerful thing that
I can come back. To and are you a full time
entrepreneur? I am.
Yes, that's great. How has the transition been for
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you from? So we're you working like
previously like in the typical 925 before you became an
entrepreneur and if so like how has that transition been for
you? And because you started like
right before a cold, but I was in the same situation I love
traditional workspace in 2019, you know, obviously not Knowing
what was about to happen the next year.
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So how has that been for you as an entrepreneur?
Yeah it's been an interesting Journey for sure.
I feel like I kind of fell into it a little bit.
Like my previous jobs were just not the right environment for
me. Like I was not able to fit in
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very well. Yeah, probably a combination of
like my creativity and my various identities just like
didn't work. So it was like, leaving that
space and Thinking about what I wanted to do, coming up with the
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concept for Eden, feeling excited about it and
occasionally like I do take a job for a month or like do
something part time when I need to.
So it's just been survival. Like making it work pulling
pieces together. Getting creative about how I'm
living when you asked me. If I was full time, I laughed a
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little bit because they make account would say otherwise.
But it it I get it. This is my focus and add soul
and is Stan and you know I just think that entrepreneurship you
know I know sometimes it's glamorize and people just think
everyone should quit that jobs and you know work for themselves
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which I'm definitely don't encourage that but just like you
mentioned I also think that working a traditional 95 is
really not for everyone. You know that Wants to do the
team morale. And, you know, and fit in with
the co-workers, I totally get that, like, I really know,
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personally, I can't even mentally work traditionally
anymore. Like I just think it would
physically make me sick. I'm just not into it.
So I get where you're coming from to, and also, with the
entrepreneurship, and the bank account, sometimes, the bank
accounts like, what are you doing?
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Talking about your design strategies and sustainable
design. So can you tell us more about
that? Yes, I think sustainability is
really important right now wherewe are with the climate all the
natural disasters that are happening.
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It feels like every day. There's something else that's
going on that should not be happening and I Hesitating to
say this publicly but I guess I'll stand behind it.
I feel like most of the responsibility is with
corporations. Like I know there's, there's
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always this, like, shaming for individuals that are not doing
their part, but largely, it is more on organizations to do
their part and I know that buildings.
Is the building industry is about a third of global gas
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emissions. So like that's a huge chunk that
could be improved. So I think for my personal
responsibility as as I'm workingin these spaces it's really
important for me to suggest moresustainable options and
sometimes sustainability is really budget friendly like I've
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done some work for nonprofits, where I recommend reusing some
of the items that They are in their space instead of just
ripping everything out and putting all new things in, like,
how can we use, what's already in the space?
And that's really going to be more sustainable because we
aren't just contributing to all of the office furniture waste.
That happens. Yeah, and I think that some of
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the sustainable items look more interesting.
Like, I like kind of the organicVibe of them and just knowing
that they came from Somewhere that is like their Fair wages
are not depleting. The Earth of things that are
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valuable. I think it just it brings better
energy into the space in my opinion.
I like that. That's really commendable that I
really do like that and it's a lot of thought behind it as
well. And the last one I want to talk
about which is a very, very interesting and I'm really
interested in hearing this wholeZayn and that is trauma-informed
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design. So definitely elaborate on that
one. Yes, I am.
I want to say excited, but that feels like a weird, emotion to
feel with being trauma-informed,but I am, I am.
Glad that trauma is becoming more well recognized and that
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people are becoming aware of that in their lives because When
you're not aware of it and you have trauma, you're reacting
from that a lot of the time. And so bringing this lens into
interior design, I think is really important because as
we've been saying your space hasa huge impact on you.
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I've been following some studiesthat are being done.
There's a Architectural Group and Colorado who was using some
of these design strategies and transitional housing and they
found that That by creating a space that was more.
Comfortable and personalized andhad different elements, like
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clear exit signs so you don't feel trapped into space.
Right? And so during which direction,
your chair is facing and a spacebecause people don't usually
like having their back where people can like walk behind.
Like that's a very natural survival Instinct.
Right. Right.
Right. So we're considering different
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elements like that or having really like Calming colors
around. I also tie in biophilic design
sometimes which is connecting humans to Nature.
And that's also been shown to like reduce blood pressure and
really help your mental health and going back to what the group
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in Colorado is doing when they use these design strategies,
they found that it helps people stay in the program longer.
And other just like really positive effects from using
these different design strategies that help people
helps your nervous system, relaxand not be activated all the
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time. Because when you're in that
trauma mode, you're just, you'regoing for survival and that's
understandable. But it's thinking about how do
we help people move out of that and feel like really truly safe
and a space? Like what are those?
Visual cues that we can give people that will help them relax
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and feel comfortable. I think about this and like a
therapist waiting room, we can were designing that space so
that people come in and can start to decompress already like
even ahead of their therapy session and then in the therapy
room, how is that set up? So that there's maybe a feeling
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of equal power even in a slightly?
A imbalanced relationship but like how do you like have even
seating so that it's not like one person is sitting all the
way up here in the other person's.
Awkwardly looking up at them. So thinking about different
things like that can really helppeople.
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Have a better experience and eatin environments.
Like, we like to say, we like really want to see people thrive
and flourish and move past the survival mode that we've been
in, right? And I think, definitely for our
therapists office, it has to be something calming and inviting
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Office. It has to be something calming
and inviting, you know. Like that's the last office that
needs to be something. Stuffy where, you know, you're
coming in feeling like, you know, you're going to school or
something. It has to be super comfortable
because I'm a big girl. I'm a big advocate for therapy.
I currently my therapist. We currently do everything
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virtual though, so you know somebody relevant for me but,
you know, I still can't imagine.Janine.
If I was going there, you know, in the actual office and I've
been a therapist and a past where, you know, like there's
office has to be inviting. That's the first thing that has
to grab you when you come in andmake you feel emotionally, you
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know secure. So one, quote that I read off
your website, was my primary motivation, is a deeply rooted
belief that people should thrivein spaces, can be designed to
help in the healing process. I'm an organized creative and
highly sensitive to Diamonds that I am in allowing me to
intuitively designed that experiences.
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So I know I, you know, you have a very interesting business
because I know you're doing the entrepreneurship.
Me, you graduated from being in that office.
But you also mentioned somethingas really important how when you
were in the 925 that you didn't feel like you fit in, you know
it just wasn't your thing. So does this motivate you even
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more though so that you can serve?
Serve others who are still in the office.
You know, they may not be leaving anytime soon if ever so
does that give you like it does it feel extra special to you
that is like you can give that to people who are still in that
office so that they can feel better.
Absolutely. Yeah I think it does feel like
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giving other people the space that I kind of want or like
would have wanted at that time, right?
And wish that there would have been someone else.
It was like the space needs to change and so coming in from the
outside it's also Easier. I would say because of the
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internal politics and things, ifyou have an outside consultant
coming in, leadership is usuallymore interested in listening to
their opinion. Then employees sometimes which
is sad like organization should listen to their staff.
But having that opportunity to advocate for people, I really
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appreciate and don't take lightly like a death.
Finally it does motivate me and is what I'm working towards.
Like I'm trying to build a better world for everyone but
specifically the people who havenot been designed for or thought
about liking things that have not been considered like how
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trauma affects people how they're in spaces.
Often larger bodies are not as valued and considered and that
way. And so thinking about, how can
we intentionally tell? People, you're welcome in the
space and like, you belong here and your comfort matters and you
were not the problem. I think that's what I was like,
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my big things. Like people, I want people to
know that their bodies and the way that they work in a space is
not the problem. Like, your environment should
shift to accommodate you. You should not shift accommodate
your environment. Yeah, I love that.
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So what? Other thing I do want to ask you
to obviously with you know a lotof people with the great my
great great resignation who you know as what you and I are
familiar with who. Again I said you know they just
chose not to be in that traditional work environment in
the office but I want to touch on the whole work from home
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because I know that you also offer services further work work
from home environment so you know how can a person I guess.
Just like, you mention in the office, it is important.
Of course, to have an environment that works with your
mental health, emotional health,that's MIT.
So how is a person able to design that balance from home?
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Because, I know, I can, I speak from personal experience or
you're working from home I know I had some issues organizing and
just having that separate space where I felt like the same thing
because I used to be a workaholic.
When I work like another, my like I was bad like I would
think about work like almost allthe time, I would dream about
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work. So when I hate started working
for myself, I noticed I was bringing some of the same bad
habits. So what would you tell someone
like what would you from your services?
What would you quit? Be your advice on making a Nice,
you know, inviting but balance work from home environment
because I think it's important to have balance where it's
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inviting and it's okay to be comfortable because I mean it's
your work from home. How is it possible?
You know, they have like a nice work from home office, that's
inviting but also maybe not too stuffy because it's in the home.
Yeah, that's a great question. I'm glad you brought this up
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because I do know that it's a Saying question for a lot of
people who do I'm office, right?I would say if you're able to
having a separate space for yourhome, office is very important,
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a space that you can leave, kindof like leave and go to even if
your commute is 10 steps, like these 10 steps are Important for
your brain to know like this area as work.
It's not your whole house is nowyour office.
It's this one place so you can kind of keep that contained.
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Mhm. If you do not have the extra
space because I know that definitely is a luxury to have
that even creating some sort of visual barrier whether that's a
room divider or moving a bookcase and In your desk in
your bed, even something like that can also help your brain
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recognize. This is a different area than my
activities that are happening onthis part of the room.
Hmm. So that's probably the main
thing that I would recommend thesecond one if you're able to is
to invest in a good office chair, or even better, ask your
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employer to pay for an office chair.
Wow. Because they should do that for
you. Okay?
And I also really enjoy two monitors on my desk because it
makes me feel fancy one. But also it's really helpful for
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work and have something like a little bit more for my eyes to
move back and forth. Another thing that I try to do
because I'm on my computer a lot.
I have pictures of friends and family behind my desktop so that
will sometimes remind me to like, stop always looking at the
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screen but to like just take an I break and we'll get something
else. So if you do something like
that, or if you set a timer, that's just reminding you, like,
get up and walk the room or looksomewhere else for a little bit.
Because I think one problem that's come up with people
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working from home is that workaholic big that you
mentioned like almost work even more and don't know how to stop
working. So those are some of the things
that I would recommend for that.Also bring snacks into your
workspace. If you're someone who's
sometimes forgets to eat, right?Truly, you have something easily
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accessible. Bring your water bottle into the
space. Bring your other drinks.
That That you enjoy. You can have them right there
because I think, at least for meit, like, working from home, I'm
like, oh, I'll just go to the kitchen whenever I want
something, but if I'm really in the zone, I don't often go and
do that. So it's nice to have things that
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I can quickly, grab, and your co-workers aren't going to take
your things. So do you get to have them out?
Um, I also like having differentorganizational tools around the
space. Like I have these bins behind me
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here that I can't but my different items and that's
really helpful because like visually it looks similar but is
a good of storage measure behindme and like pretty easily
accessible Okay, yeah. So those are just a few of the,
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there's like a lot more that I can go into add lighting.
If you can have, you should haveat least three sources of
lighting and every space. And that way, you can, like,
adjust different things and makesure again that your alleviating
eye fatigue, think about the airquality, you can give me your
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purifier. You can get a humidifier, a
dehumidifier. Yeah.
What your situation is ADD fans,if you're someone who gets hot
or heater if you get cold reallyjust adjusting your space for
your comfort. I think is the main thing
especially in a home office. You have a lot of freedom.
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Even if your budget is low, you can find things on Facebook,
Marketplace, Craigslist, maybe on the side of the street,
depending on where you live. Very Maybe on the side of the
street depending on where you live, they're just getting
creative and finding ways to make it feel comfortable and go
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with your workflow and somethingelse that I saw on the site.
You have some statistics at thatwas super interesting, that 60
percent of employees are dissatisfied with the comfort of
their workplace. 2000 hours are annually, spent at work and 90%
of the time most Americans spendIndoors, which I'm like.
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Wow. So one thing that I like to tie
in is I do believe in self-love,I do tie everything to self love
with the platform to me. So if love is, it's just so
important to self-love. Also it helps you with your job.
You know. Let's say it's a job that really
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is not working for you as reallytoxic to leave that just and
also self love is And that's important.
When someone becomes an entrepreneur, you have to really
have that confidence in yourselfand believe in your brand,
especially believing in. It was when others may not
believe in it and also it also helps me.
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And again, like I said, I don't want to glamorize and
Entrepreneurship because some people have careers that they
work hard for and they want to stick with that though self-love
also ties in with that to to have that confidence at the
workplace to. So what role has self-love
played in your life and Also, just like I said, what you doing
is very special because our environment is really important
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with our mental health and emotional help with that
happiness, I physical help. So what role has self-love
played in your life and also in this great mission that you're
doing. Yeah, hmm.
I'll start with the mission. I feel like designing a space
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for your comfort is part of self-love who, I think that
word, Comfort, like we've been, or I'll say, I have been told
that my comfort doesn't matter, and that being uncomfortable is
good. It's growing its stretching
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that. Yeah, just my comfort is, should
not be the priority. Ever.
And so I've been working on retraining my thought process
around that. And being like, no, I deserve to
be comfortable and others do when it's not harming, anyone
else, like having a comfortable chair, it's not should not be
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hurting anyone else. And so reframing that concept of
comfort as a self love like I'm taking care of myself by
providing them. environment thatworks for me and also removing
that shame component that I think sometimes can creep in for
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me and not thinking I deserve tobe uncomfortable because I'm
working and if I am trying to like rest, I'm being lazy or if
I want this colorful mousepad like that's a waste of money.
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Why do I care about this and no like Beauty matters and is
something that's important to usas human beings.
Like I like art, We Like Music, those aren't things that are
just free. Us like they actually boost our
mental health and well-being andthat's something that really
matters. Yeah.
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So I've been trying to do more self-love, be more in my body, I
think just connecting to how my body feels and how my body is
doing and then doing my best to meet those needs.
I think is a huge part of it forme.
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I love that perspective and I supposed to be mentioning you
and I do think that's one of thetoxic things that kind of
happens when your is apt into a toxic negative work environment.
Like, I think sometimes people are brainwashed, are conditioned
to think they're supposed to be unhappy.
You know, you're supposed to be unhappy to earn a living and I
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don't agree with that, you know,and to feel guilty or the think
that you're supposed to be uncomfortable, like you mention.
So I definitely We definitely appreciate that perspective.
This is definitely an awesome conversation before we end
everything. No, please tell everybody how
they can learn more about even environment, so they can find me
on social media. Just tell everyone, all your
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contact information, all right. Yeah, I am so enjoyed sharing
this information with you and I hope that people have been able
to get some practical advice that are just think about their
space. A little bit more.
I think that's part of My goal is just advocating for people's
comfort and educating around theimportance of your space and the
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ways that you can make that better.
People want to get in touch, they could visit my website,
Eden environment, stop org, I'm also on Instagram at Eden
environments, Facebook Twitter, Tick-Tock LinkedIn Pinterest.
All of the places YouTube. So, if you're looking for me,
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you can definitely find Me. You can also email me at e.i. by
Allure at Eden environments. Dot-org.
Awesome. Thank you so much again for this
conversation. I really like I said, I really
do appreciate your perspective on just how we can have better
environment because Comfort is important and I definitely do
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think that that's something thatwe sometimes don't think about
sometimes just changing the aesthetic in your environment,
can really make a difference. Science and your happiness, your
depression, your energy level, you physical help.
You also I definitely definitelylove her to doing and I think
it's something extremely useful information and hopefully
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someone will think about this. And like I said, even in their
home, especially now, a lot of people are working from home and
whether they're working from home for someone else are
working from home as an entrepreneur.
You know, just making sure you have a nice work environment
from your home as well especially Home.
So that you can be really happy and comfortable because it does
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lead to more productivity, great, health, and creativity.
So I definitely appreciate what you're doing so much.
Absolutely, thank you so much. I really enjoyed being here and
talking with you Zenia. Thank you so much for being on
the platform and guys, please make sure that you listen to
everything, all the different great points that Elizabeth
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mention. I really do think again, that
just making some changes in yourenvironment can make a huge
difference. France.
And by any chance if you do workat an office where they may not
be able to get someone great like Elizabeth to come in and
make some changes, you can stillmake some changes in your
workspace. Maybe by adding a plan, are
adding maybe more pictures or your family or just something
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that would make you more comfortable.
I really do think it would make a difference.
So, thank you guys, again for joining the key chat.
Make sure he'd be safe, and of course, go love you.
So,
She's a dedicated to all my beautiful queen.
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Go queen queen go clean. Go represent.
You're clean. You're a queen.
Thank you guys for joining another episode of the qchat
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today. My special guest is Miss
Elizabeth, Filer, and Elizabeth is the created image director of
Eden environments. She has a very interesting
business, so we're just going totalk about everything regarding
design strategies. And I think she has a really
interesting platform that. It'd be really helpful.
So, how you doing today? I'm doing great.
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Yeah, happy to be here. How are you doing?
I'm doing great. I'm very Happy to speak with
you. So before we dive deep, can you
start off by telling everyone? Exactly, you know, what is
eating environment and how did you come up with this?
Yeah, absolutely. Hey everyone, I am Elizabeth my
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pronouns. Are they them theirs?
And I started eating environments because I was
sitting in an office lobby waiting for an interview with
this nonprofit. I was looking around and I kind
of felt like I was in the nursing home, which was super
weird to me because this nonprofit was like focused on
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helping children all around the world, but looking around like
the furniture was really outdated.
And so I was kind of like am I even in the right place?
So I ended up getting the job and then one of the projects
that I took on was actually renovating the space and during
that process like I redid The carpet and painted and got some
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new furniture kind of move. Some of the furniture around in
the space and really fell in love with the process.
But even more the outcome seeingpeople like come in and be like
is this still our same office and just feeling kind of that
new energy that was in the spacewas really cool.
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So I think moving from there. I went into business Consulting
and kind of saw how there's a lot of things that are done,
business Consulting, that are all very good and very important
for business. But what I was, interviewing
employees, I noticed that nobodywas addressing the physical
space and how that affects people.
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So I got really excited about filling that Gap with eat it
environment. So we're focused on creating
inclusive and sustainable spaceswith a particular Focus.
Saint office design because that's just how it kind of
started. That was my first project and
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still is where my passion lies. Because I think we all deserve a
space that works for us while we're trying to do the important
work that we're doing. I think that's so interesting.
What you're doing and you brought up a good point.
Just reading through your bio and everything about the
emotional and physical stress that can be involved with
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certain work environments. And I work in an environment in
the past where like the walls were great concrete as really
drab and it really mess with my mental health.
A lot, you know, I felt like I was trapped, you know, and I
just I don't know like it reallydid mess with my mental are
Energy. So I would like to get like, and
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actually more regarding like, I know you said, you started the
business after feeling the emotional and physical stress of
being in space, with that weren't designed also with your
type of body and mind. And I know you did mention it
energy and your environment, really can zap your energy.
And I don't think people really think about that.
That just a room, the decor, thespace, everything can really
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mess with your head. So I want Go over the Four
Points. I know with the design
strategies and the first one wassighs inclusive design.
So it can you touch on that and inform everyone regarding size
inclusive design? Yeah, absolutely.
And I like that you highlighted the effect of space because I
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think that's something that people don't think about.
Like we're just inside, right? Think about how the space is
impacting you. Yeah.
So sighs inclusive design. Is focused on designing spaces
that work for larger bodies. A lot of space design is very
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standardized and that standard doesn't work for everybody.
Like it's been based off of mainly like cishet white males,
that were a certain height and body build.
And now the workforce is very diverse and just Society in
general has It's grown a lot. And so, the size inclusive
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design is looking at things likeseating, do you have a variety
of seating? Do you have seating that doesn't
have? Armchairs.
So that people with wider hips, like me, well, feel comfortable
and not like squished into tiny little seat or sometimes you do
need an armrest for somebody whoneeds it for like Mobility to
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get up and down. So kind of having that Variety
in this space. So everybody's needs are being
met. I think it's important and
another place that we see size inclusion would be like
walkways. I know, sometimes they're just
these, like, I think of an airplane.
Like I don't know how people getpast each other super easily.
I'm always like trying to make myself smaller to fit through
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those spaces and that's uncomfortable, and I don't think
that people should be experiencing space like that.
They should be restricted from going to the Their local coffee
shop because the seats are uncomfortable, like people
should have access to the space that they want to be him.
Right, right? And that, that thing is, another
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thing that can be considered, you know, one thing again that I
noticed with the strategy, the strategies that you have, that
it does improve mental, health, productivity, and creativity.
I mean, of course, when you're in a work environment, if the
energy is off, and it's like the, if the actual like actual
environment when you walk into your office and maybe even the
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lighting, you know, in the furniture like you said, Ed the
desk, everything it just if it doesn't and if it's not
inviting, it really will affect the productivity, the mental
health and also the creativity are even retention, you know,
because then your money like I don't like being here so on
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people and I think that's why I even after the pandemic a lot of
people are so happy to work fromhome because okay.
In your own personal space and ISome people really just did not
miss being in the whole office setting, you know, outside of
working with people, but just the literal office setting is
not comfortable for everyone. So I want to definitely let you
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touch on the second part, which was the neurodivergent design.
So let's go ahead and explain that to everyone.
Yeah, definitely so nerd to Virgin is kind of an umbrella
term that encompasses a lot of different things.
It's like autism ADHD, being highly sensitive, it can also
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include some mental health diagnosis as well.
Basically a different way of thinking nonlinear thinking so
people that Just don't always gofrom point A to point B and the
way that you that some people think you should write.
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Yeah. So it's increasing and
awareness. I think people are becoming more
aware of how exactly their brainworks, and there's different
technologies that can do brain scans and things.
So that's cool. Like the science part of it, but
when we're thinking about design, different strategies
that I use one of them is calleda visual inventory.
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And basically what that means isbeing able to see your things
clearly and in an organized way,which I think benefits everyone,
but specifically with virgins sometimes like I have I
occasionally have the problem that if I don't see something
physically, I forget where it is.
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I like it doesn't exist, basically like it's just hard to
remember, right things. So, for example, Sample in my
pantry, I have these clear storage containers.
And so if I buy cereal, like rice pasta, things like that,
they go in there. So they aren't just all
chaotically around a closed cabinet, but I can visually see
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everything that I have. I know how much is there and
when I'm like, cooking I can look at it and now, okay, I want
this thing. So when were Translating that to
the business that I'm, it's alsogood because then you aren't
over-ordering offices. Sighs just because you can't
find them like it's so very good.
Systematic way to do things. Also with that, I think about
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things like you were saying withlighting and kind of the
stimulation that's in the space.I'm the type of person that
likes more low, lighting, less sound like very comfortable,
soft Fabrics all around me and I'm pretty particular about that
and how things feel and sound inthe space and other people do
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need more commotion happening for them to be able to focus,
like it actually helps. So, having kind of different
zones in a space can be really helpful so that if someone wants
to be in the space, that is a little bit more, there's more
happening, there's people talking loudly and that helps
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them work like having that option, but also having some of
those more, like, quiet. Rooms for decompression that
again. I think these options like do
help everyone like their strategies for a specific group
of people but like who wouldn't want a nice quiet place to get
away during a work day. Wow, you need it.
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I just, you know, I guess that is so interesting what you're
doing because again, I just don't think sometimes
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Because again, I just don't think sometimes people correlate
just your actual environment andyour mental health.
The emotional health, your energy level.
I think sometimes really can bring you down, you know, even
our living spaces at home, you know, like clutter for example,
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living in cluttered, things likethat.
It really weighs on you. So your environment is super
important and I'm how long have you been in business?
Yeah. So I started in 2019 319 okay.
Oh wow. So right before it depends and
make did the pendant make a stack.
Your business at all it did. Yeah.
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And I think maybe the most significant way that it impacted
my business, is that it impactedme?
Like, that was a really rough year, not just the pandemic but
also like George, Floyd's murderBrianna Taylor.
That was it's just a stressful time.
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Oh yeah. Yeah, so I think I just I kind
of took a few months to reflect and regroup and so it was
helpful in the sense that it gave me the clarity that this is
still something that I think is really important and something
that matters and that I want to do even if if the world is
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ending tomorrow like this is still what I want to be doing
that was yeah I feel like that was a really powerful thing that
I can come back. To and are you a full time
entrepreneur? I am.
Yes, that's great. How has the transition been for
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you from? So we're you working like
previously like in the typical 925 before you became an
entrepreneur and if so like how has that transition been for
you? And because you started like
right before a cold, but I was in the same situation I love
traditional workspace in 2019, you know, obviously not Knowing
what was about to happen the next year.
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So how has that been for you as an entrepreneur?
Yeah it's been an interesting Journey for sure.
I feel like I kind of fell into it a little bit.
Like my previous jobs were just not the right environment for
me. Like I was not able to fit in
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very well. Yeah, probably a combination of
like my creativity and my various identities just like
didn't work. So it was like, leaving that
space and Thinking about what I wanted to do, coming up with the
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concept for Eden, feeling excited about it and
occasionally like I do take a job for a month or like do
something part time when I need to.
So it's just been survival. Like making it work pulling
pieces together. Getting creative about how I'm
living when you asked me. If I was full time, I laughed a
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little bit because they make account would say otherwise.
But it it I get it. This is my focus and add soul
and is Stan and you know I just think that entrepreneurship you
know I know sometimes it's glamorize and people just think
everyone should quit that jobs and you know work for themselves
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which I'm definitely don't encourage that but just like you
mentioned I also think that working a traditional 95 is
really not for everyone. You know that Wants to do the
team morale. And, you know, and fit in with
the co-workers, I totally get that, like, I really know,
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personally, I can't even mentally work traditionally
anymore. Like I just think it would
physically make me sick. I'm just not into it.
So I get where you're coming from to, and also, with the
entrepreneurship, and the bank account, sometimes, the bank
accounts like, what are you doing?
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Talking about your design strategies and sustainable
design. So can you tell us more about
that? Yes, I think sustainability is
really important right now wherewe are with the climate all the
natural disasters that are happening.
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It feels like every day. There's something else that's
going on that should not be happening and I Hesitating to
say this publicly but I guess I'll stand behind it.
I feel like most of the responsibility is with
corporations. Like I know there's, there's
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always this, like, shaming for individuals that are not doing
their part, but largely, it is more on organizations to do
their part and I know that buildings.
Is the building industry is about a third of global gas
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emissions. So like that's a huge chunk that
could be improved. So I think for my personal
responsibility as as I'm workingin these spaces it's really
important for me to suggest moresustainable options and
sometimes sustainability is really budget friendly like I've
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done some work for nonprofits, where I recommend reusing some
of the items that They are in their space instead of just
ripping everything out and putting all new things in, like,
how can we use, what's already in the space?
And that's really going to be more sustainable because we
aren't just contributing to all of the office furniture waste.
That happens. Yeah, and I think that some of
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the sustainable items look more interesting.
Like, I like kind of the organicVibe of them and just knowing
that they came from Somewhere that is like their Fair wages
are not depleting. The Earth of things that are
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valuable. I think it just it brings better
energy into the space in my opinion.
I like that. That's really commendable that I
really do like that and it's a lot of thought behind it as
well. And the last one I want to talk
about which is a very, very interesting and I'm really
interested in hearing this wholeZayn and that is trauma-informed
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design. So definitely elaborate on that
one. Yes, I am.
I want to say excited, but that feels like a weird, emotion to
feel with being trauma-informed,but I am, I am.
Glad that trauma is becoming more well recognized and that
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people are becoming aware of that in their lives because When
you're not aware of it and you have trauma, you're reacting
from that a lot of the time. And so bringing this lens into
interior design, I think is really important because as
we've been saying your space hasa huge impact on you.
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I've been following some studiesthat are being done.
There's a Architectural Group and Colorado who was using some
of these design strategies and transitional housing and they
found that That by creating a space that was more.
Comfortable and personalized andhad different elements, like
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clear exit signs so you don't feel trapped into space.
Right? And so during which direction,
your chair is facing and a spacebecause people don't usually
like having their back where people can like walk behind.
Like that's a very natural survival Instinct.
Right. Right.
Right. So we're considering different
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elements like that or having really like Calming colors
around. I also tie in biophilic design
sometimes which is connecting humans to Nature.
And that's also been shown to like reduce blood pressure and
really help your mental health and going back to what the group
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in Colorado is doing when they use these design strategies,
they found that it helps people stay in the program longer.
And other just like really positive effects from using
these different design strategies that help people
helps your nervous system, relaxand not be activated all the
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time. Because when you're in that
trauma mode, you're just, you'regoing for survival and that's
understandable. But it's thinking about how do
we help people move out of that and feel like really truly safe
and a space? Like what are those?
Visual cues that we can give people that will help them relax
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and feel comfortable. I think about this and like a
therapist waiting room, we can were designing that space so
that people come in and can start to decompress already like
even ahead of their therapy session and then in the therapy
room, how is that set up? So that there's maybe a feeling
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of equal power even in a slightly?
A imbalanced relationship but like how do you like have even
seating so that it's not like one person is sitting all the
way up here in the other person's.
Awkwardly looking up at them. So thinking about different
things like that can really helppeople.
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Have a better experience and eatin environments.
Like, we like to say, we like really want to see people thrive
and flourish and move past the survival mode that we've been
in, right? And I think, definitely for our
therapists office, it has to be something calming and inviting
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Office. It has to be something calming
and inviting, you know. Like that's the last office that
needs to be something. Stuffy where, you know, you're
coming in feeling like, you know, you're going to school or
something. It has to be super comfortable
because I'm a big girl. I'm a big advocate for therapy.
I currently my therapist. We currently do everything
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virtual though, so you know somebody relevant for me but,
you know, I still can't imagine.Janine.
If I was going there, you know, in the actual office and I've
been a therapist and a past where, you know, like there's
office has to be inviting. That's the first thing that has
to grab you when you come in andmake you feel emotionally, you
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know secure. So one, quote that I read off
your website, was my primary motivation, is a deeply rooted
belief that people should thrivein spaces, can be designed to
help in the healing process. I'm an organized creative and
highly sensitive to Diamonds that I am in allowing me to
intuitively designed that experiences.
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So I know I, you know, you have a very interesting business
because I know you're doing the entrepreneurship.
Me, you graduated from being in that office.
But you also mentioned somethingas really important how when you
were in the 925 that you didn't feel like you fit in, you know
it just wasn't your thing. So does this motivate you even
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more though so that you can serve?
Serve others who are still in the office.
You know, they may not be leaving anytime soon if ever so
does that give you like it does it feel extra special to you
that is like you can give that to people who are still in that
office so that they can feel better.
Absolutely. Yeah I think it does feel like
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giving other people the space that I kind of want or like
would have wanted at that time, right?
And wish that there would have been someone else.
It was like the space needs to change and so coming in from the
outside it's also Easier. I would say because of the
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internal politics and things, ifyou have an outside consultant
coming in, leadership is usuallymore interested in listening to
their opinion. Then employees sometimes which
is sad like organization should listen to their staff.
But having that opportunity to advocate for people, I really
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appreciate and don't take lightly like a death.
Finally it does motivate me and is what I'm working towards.
Like I'm trying to build a better world for everyone but
specifically the people who havenot been designed for or thought
about liking things that have not been considered like how
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trauma affects people how they're in spaces.
Often larger bodies are not as valued and considered and that
way. And so thinking about, how can
we intentionally tell? People, you're welcome in the
space and like, you belong here and your comfort matters and you
were not the problem. I think that's what I was like,
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my big things. Like people, I want people to
know that their bodies and the way that they work in a space is
not the problem. Like, your environment should
shift to accommodate you. You should not shift accommodate
your environment. Yeah, I love that.
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So what? Other thing I do want to ask you
to obviously with you know a lotof people with the great my
great great resignation who you know as what you and I are
familiar with who. Again I said you know they just
chose not to be in that traditional work environment in
the office but I want to touch on the whole work from home
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because I know that you also offer services further work work
from home environment so you know how can a person I guess.
Just like, you mention in the office, it is important.
Of course, to have an environment that works with your
mental health, emotional health,that's MIT.
So how is a person able to design that balance from home?
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Because, I know, I can, I speak from personal experience or
you're working from home I know I had some issues organizing and
just having that separate space where I felt like the same thing
because I used to be a workaholic.
When I work like another, my like I was bad like I would
think about work like almost allthe time, I would dream about
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work. So when I hate started working
for myself, I noticed I was bringing some of the same bad
habits. So what would you tell someone
like what would you from your services?
What would you quit? Be your advice on making a Nice,
you know, inviting but balance work from home environment
because I think it's important to have balance where it's
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inviting and it's okay to be comfortable because I mean it's
your work from home. How is it possible?
You know, they have like a nice work from home office, that's
inviting but also maybe not too stuffy because it's in the home.
Yeah, that's a great question. I'm glad you brought this up
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because I do know that it's a Saying question for a lot of
people who do I'm office, right?I would say if you're able to
having a separate space for yourhome, office is very important,
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a space that you can leave, kindof like leave and go to even if
your commute is 10 steps, like these 10 steps are Important for
your brain to know like this area as work.
It's not your whole house is nowyour office.
It's this one place so you can kind of keep that contained.
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Mhm. If you do not have the extra
space because I know that definitely is a luxury to have
that even creating some sort of visual barrier whether that's a
room divider or moving a bookcase and In your desk in
your bed, even something like that can also help your brain
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recognize. This is a different area than my
activities that are happening onthis part of the room.
Hmm. So that's probably the main
thing that I would recommend thesecond one if you're able to is
to invest in a good office chair, or even better, ask your
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employer to pay for an office chair.
Wow. Because they should do that for
you. Okay?
And I also really enjoy two monitors on my desk because it
makes me feel fancy one. But also it's really helpful for
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work and have something like a little bit more for my eyes to
move back and forth. Another thing that I try to do
because I'm on my computer a lot.
I have pictures of friends and family behind my desktop so that
will sometimes remind me to like, stop always looking at the
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screen but to like just take an I break and we'll get something
else. So if you do something like
that, or if you set a timer, that's just reminding you, like,
get up and walk the room or looksomewhere else for a little bit.
Because I think one problem that's come up with people
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working from home is that workaholic big that you
mentioned like almost work even more and don't know how to stop
working. So those are some of the things
that I would recommend for that.Also bring snacks into your
workspace. If you're someone who's
sometimes forgets to eat, right?Truly, you have something easily
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accessible. Bring your water bottle into the
space. Bring your other drinks.
That That you enjoy. You can have them right there
because I think, at least for meit, like, working from home, I'm
like, oh, I'll just go to the kitchen whenever I want
something, but if I'm really in the zone, I don't often go and
do that. So it's nice to have things that
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I can quickly, grab, and your co-workers aren't going to take
your things. So do you get to have them out?
Um, I also like having differentorganizational tools around the
space. Like I have these bins behind me
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here that I can't but my different items and that's
really helpful because like visually it looks similar but is
a good of storage measure behindme and like pretty easily
accessible Okay, yeah. So those are just a few of the,
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there's like a lot more that I can go into add lighting.
If you can have, you should haveat least three sources of
lighting and every space. And that way, you can, like,
adjust different things and makesure again that your alleviating
eye fatigue, think about the airquality, you can give me your
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purifier. You can get a humidifier, a
dehumidifier. Yeah.
What your situation is ADD fans,if you're someone who gets hot
or heater if you get cold reallyjust adjusting your space for
your comfort. I think is the main thing
especially in a home office. You have a lot of freedom.
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Even if your budget is low, you can find things on Facebook,
Marketplace, Craigslist, maybe on the side of the street,
depending on where you live. Very Maybe on the side of the
street depending on where you live, they're just getting
creative and finding ways to make it feel comfortable and go
(33:19):
with your workflow and somethingelse that I saw on the site.
You have some statistics at thatwas super interesting, that 60
percent of employees are dissatisfied with the comfort of
their workplace. 2000 hours are annually, spent at work and 90%
of the time most Americans spendIndoors, which I'm like.
(33:40):
Wow. So one thing that I like to tie
in is I do believe in self-love,I do tie everything to self love
with the platform to me. So if love is, it's just so
important to self-love. Also it helps you with your job.
You know. Let's say it's a job that really
(34:01):
is not working for you as reallytoxic to leave that just and
also self love is And that's important.
When someone becomes an entrepreneur, you have to really
have that confidence in yourselfand believe in your brand,
especially believing in. It was when others may not
believe in it and also it also helps me.
(34:21):
And again, like I said, I don't want to glamorize and
Entrepreneurship because some people have careers that they
work hard for and they want to stick with that though self-love
also ties in with that to to have that confidence at the
workplace to. So what role has self-love
played in your life and Also, just like I said, what you doing
is very special because our environment is really important
(34:45):
with our mental health and emotional help with that
happiness, I physical help. So what role has self-love
played in your life and also in this great mission that you're
doing. Yeah, hmm.
I'll start with the mission. I feel like designing a space
(35:08):
for your comfort is part of self-love who, I think that
word, Comfort, like we've been, or I'll say, I have been told
that my comfort doesn't matter, and that being uncomfortable is
good. It's growing its stretching
(35:29):
that. Yeah, just my comfort is, should
not be the priority. Ever.
And so I've been working on retraining my thought process
around that. And being like, no, I deserve to
be comfortable and others do when it's not harming, anyone
else, like having a comfortable chair, it's not should not be
(35:50):
hurting anyone else. And so reframing that concept of
comfort as a self love like I'm taking care of myself by
providing them. environment thatworks for me and also removing
that shame component that I think sometimes can creep in for
(36:11):
me and not thinking I deserve tobe uncomfortable because I'm
working and if I am trying to like rest, I'm being lazy or if
I want this colorful mousepad like that's a waste of money.
(36:31):
Why do I care about this and no like Beauty matters and is
something that's important to usas human beings.
Like I like art, We Like Music, those aren't things that are
just free. Us like they actually boost our
mental health and well-being andthat's something that really
matters. Yeah.
(36:54):
So I've been trying to do more self-love, be more in my body, I
think just connecting to how my body feels and how my body is
doing and then doing my best to meet those needs.
I think is a huge part of it forme.
(37:14):
I love that perspective and I supposed to be mentioning you
and I do think that's one of thetoxic things that kind of
happens when your is apt into a toxic negative work environment.
Like, I think sometimes people are brainwashed, are conditioned
to think they're supposed to be unhappy.
You know, you're supposed to be unhappy to earn a living and I
(37:36):
don't agree with that, you know,and to feel guilty or the think
that you're supposed to be uncomfortable, like you mention.
So I definitely We definitely appreciate that perspective.
This is definitely an awesome conversation before we end
everything. No, please tell everybody how
they can learn more about even environment, so they can find me
on social media. Just tell everyone, all your
(37:58):
contact information, all right. Yeah, I am so enjoyed sharing
this information with you and I hope that people have been able
to get some practical advice that are just think about their
space. A little bit more.
I think that's part of My goal is just advocating for people's
comfort and educating around theimportance of your space and the
(38:21):
ways that you can make that better.
People want to get in touch, they could visit my website,
Eden environment, stop org, I'm also on Instagram at Eden
environments, Facebook Twitter, Tick-Tock LinkedIn Pinterest.
All of the places YouTube. So, if you're looking for me,
(38:43):
you can definitely find Me. You can also email me at e.i. by
Allure at Eden environments. Dot-org.
Awesome. Thank you so much again for this
conversation. I really like I said, I really
do appreciate your perspective on just how we can have better
environment because Comfort is important and I definitely do
(39:06):
think that that's something thatwe sometimes don't think about
sometimes just changing the aesthetic in your environment,
can really make a difference. Science and your happiness, your
depression, your energy level, you physical help.
You also I definitely definitelylove her to doing and I think
it's something extremely useful information and hopefully
(39:26):
someone will think about this. And like I said, even in their
home, especially now, a lot of people are working from home and
whether they're working from home for someone else are
working from home as an entrepreneur.
You know, just making sure you have a nice work environment
from your home as well especially Home.
So that you can be really happy and comfortable because it does
(39:48):
lead to more productivity, great, health, and creativity.
So I definitely appreciate what you're doing so much.
Absolutely, thank you so much. I really enjoyed being here and
talking with you Zenia. Thank you so much for being on
the platform and guys, please make sure that you listen to
everything, all the different great points that Elizabeth
(40:08):
mention. I really do think again, that
just making some changes in yourenvironment can make a huge
difference. France.
And by any chance if you do workat an office where they may not
be able to get someone great like Elizabeth to come in and
make some changes, you can stillmake some changes in your
workspace. Maybe by adding a plan, are
adding maybe more pictures or your family or just something
(40:31):
that would make you more comfortable.
I really do think it would make a difference.
So, thank you guys, again for joining the key chat.
Make sure he'd be safe, and of course, go love you.
So,
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