August 28, 2025 • 54 mins
What happens when a successful executive coach restructures his entire career around fatherhood?
Huge thanks go to Henna Pryor and Greg Offner for introducing us to our next guest, Dave Gloss. In this episode, Dave reveals the powerful transformation that occurred when he made being a present husband and father his number one priority.
Dave's journey weaves through fascinating territory – from his early struggles that led to military school, to meeting his psychologist wife through a dating app where they were a "99% match," to their life now with five-year-old daughter. With refreshing candor, he shares how discovering his daughter is a highly sensitive child forced him to challenge his parenting instincts and develop new approaches to emotional regulation.
The conversation dives deep into what truly creates lasting joy and fulfillment in family life. Dave explains his radical decision to go independent, restructuring his work schedule to compress client meetings into Tuesday-Thursday, leaving Mondays and Fridays open for family time. This intentional design allows him to handle morning routines, take his daughter to activities, prepare dinner, and put her to bed – creating a consistent presence that transcends mere physical attendance.
Perhaps most valuable is Dave's insight that joy must originate from within rather than external achievements or validation. This philosophy shapes how he parents his daughter, encouraging her to develop self-worth independent of outside approval. His practical approach includes an annual New Year's reflection with his wife to reassess priorities and intentionally plan the coming year around their family values.
Whether you're struggling with work-life balance, parenting a sensitive child, or simply seeking to create more meaningful family connections, Dave's thoughtful approach offers both inspiration and practical strategies.
As he puts it: "What gets planned happens" – a simple yet profound reminder that intentional family life requires more than good intentions.
You can learn more about Dave and his work at http://www.wilsonhall.co/
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, I'm Riley and I'm Ryder, and this is my dad show.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey everybody, it's Casey Jaycox with the
quarterback dad cast.
Welcome to season six and Icould not be more excited to
have you join me for anotheryear of fantastic episodes and
conversations really unscriptedand raw and authentic
conversations with dads.
If you're new to this podcast,really it's simple.
It's a podcast where weinterview dads, we learn about
how they were raised, we learnabout the life lessons that were
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important to them, we learnabout the values that are
important to them and really welearn about how we can work hard
to become a better quarterbackor leader of our home.
So let's sit back, relax andlisten to today's episode on the
Quarterback Dadcast.
Well, hey, everybody, welcome tothe Quarterback Dadcast.
Again, we're in season six andI get so excited to interview
other dads who come, referred byprevious guests, and so I got
(00:57):
to give love to the talentedGreg Offner, who can tickle the
ivory and captivate an audiencewith his voice, and he said you
got to talk to my friend, daveGloss, and Dave is an executive
coach, strategic advisor,helping companies in many
different ways, also adoptingthe power of AI.
(01:19):
I'm sure you guys have heardabout that.
I found out he's a diehard wethink diehard Flyers fan.
He definitely admitted that theKraken are a better hockey team
.
We'll see if that's still thetruth False.
He did not say that.
But more importantly, we'rehaving Dave on today because
we're learning about Dave thedad, how he's working hard to
become the ultimate quarterbackor leader of his household.
(01:40):
So, without further ado, mrGlass, welcome to the
Quarterback Dadcast.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Thank you, my friend.
Good to be here.
Thanks, greg, for the nudge.
My friend, I don't do thesethat often.
He's like you need to talk tothis guy.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So I'm like all right , well, check it out.
Well, I'm grateful.
So we always start speaking ofgrateful.
We always start out eachepisode with gratitude.
So tell me, what are you mostgrateful for as a dad today?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, we, yeah, we've been on kind of perma vacation
this summer.
We've done a bunch of trips.
So my daughter she's five mywife and I just the three of us.
We did a little bit of campingearlier this summer.
We did about to gear up foranother week out in Colorado.
So just really grateful forthis time, these memories,
experiences.
We're kind of getting going.
And I went independent.
I used to work for a consultingfirm doing all the coaching and
the team work and strategystuff and I went independent in
(02:39):
January and it's been a blessedyear.
Being a present husband andfather is my number one priority
in life and you know, kind ofgoing independent has kind of
created this.
So right now I'm justexploiting the fruits of the
labor and the intention.
So it's been nice.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Love that.
That spoke to me in manydifferent ways which we'll dive
into.
But what I'm grateful for is acouple things.
One my wife is home.
She was gone for about a weekand a half.
Our family goes to the EastCoast every summer and my wife
usually stays another week and ahalf by herself, gets some nice
mom time with a bunch of momson this small little island
called Cuddyhunk Island, whichis off the coast of Boston.
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And so I like last week I hadsome great time, one-on-one time
, my son and my daughter.
So I'm grateful the family'sback, but I had some of those
moments.
My kids are a little older thanyours.
I got a 19 and almost17-year-old Just a little bit
older, yeah, but I remember whenmy kids were five, brother,
that was like yesterday and timeis like speeding up, but I'm
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grateful you're.
When your daughter's older,you'll start experiencing this.
But, like my son had thatbreakthrough of things I've said
to him forever but it justwasn't clicking.
And then he finally had thisaha moment.
It was actually on the golfcourse about.
Um, for those that play golf,do you play golf at all?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I can.
I can swing the sticks and pickup the ball, but I'm not
competitive.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So, like I play still a lot, my son plays, obviously
in college.
But like the power I've alwaystold him I said the most
powerful golf club is not inyour bag, it's your mind, and
you can beat most people in lifewith your mind, how you show up
.
And he finally just had thisthought of like dad, I can't
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control where the ball goes.
I think I can, but what I cancontrol is am I committed, is it
the right club, do I feelconfident about this stuff?
And then I do my best.
And then once it's, once I hitthe ball, I can't control
anything out.
And it was like, oh my God,I've said that to you 10 times,
dude but like once he got itinstead of me saying, hey, dip
shit, I told it.
I said I said, dude, I'm so gladyou said that's, that's so
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powerful.
So I made it like it was himhis idea.
No, I didn't wasn'tmanipulating, but I was just
like reminding him, like let'scelebrate your growth right
there and I'm just I'm gratefulfor those moments in life when
they happen, um, because maybeit says all the work that we've
done up into that, it's likestarting to click, yeah, but it
was a really really cool momentto see him experience that.
So I was really grateful forthat this week I love that.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
No, it's funny.
Like in my daughter being five,like and this is my first and
our only I got snipped and I'mlike we're done and uh, um, you
know, she, she's now just cameonline and I'm realizing all of
the lessons and things thatwe've been talking about.
I'm like like, oh, she doesn'tremember any of that.
We've got to start over or keepgoing and such.
(05:28):
So it's funny, just like whereit starts, where it picks up,
where it falls off and comesback around 100%.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well, bring me inside the gloss huddle.
You're the quarterback, I'mguessing your wife's the general
manager of most good marriages.
So talk about how you and yourwife met and then talk a little
bit about your daughter and whatshe's into.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, so yeah, it's the three of us in the core we
have.
Like, my sister lives about 10minutes down the road.
My parents are another 20minutes down the road.
Emma, emma, she grew up in anocean Grove, asbury park area,
new Jersey.
Uh, really close like uh crewof friends and she's still
friends with it I feel gratefulto be a part of.
So we actually all got marriedand had kids around the same
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time, so we had very much avillage mentality when we're
raising our, our, our kidstogether.
So the huddles and just thethree of us, um, but, uh, but
yeah.
So my wife and I met I wasactually I was engaged once
before and I had.
Before I got engaged, I had, wehad my, my ex and I.
We had split up for a bit and Ijumped on OkCupid just for some
(06:36):
ego stroking in between thebreakup and getting back
together.
Then Emma reached out to me.
On there we were on, we were,she was my 99% match, if you
remember okay, cuba back in theday, or, if you're, if you're
you're, you have a high schoolsweetheart, so probably not.
So basically it's, it's an,it's an algorithm, uh, that like
you answer certain questionsand you set to get matched based
(06:58):
off of your responses and it'slike a fun way to kind of
connect, not just swipe right orleft.
It's like a fun way to kind ofconnect, not just swipe right or
left, and it uses some datascience, which is super
appealing to my wife and I,who's a psychologist and I'm
super, super data nerd and we,we, we connected and she reached
out to me but, like I, she didit three times, by the way.
So this is like kind of a funnystory.
Like I didn't reach back outand she did it three times.
(07:20):
And the last message she's likelisten, bud, I don't do this
that often, like I don't reallydo this, but there's something
about you that I want to connectwith.
I was getting back with my exand I said like hey, I'm sorry,
I just really forward.
I was like, sorry, whathappened?
I just not going to be rightnow, but thank you so much, I
appreciate it.
Blah, blah, blah Instead ofghosting which you know, I think
(07:47):
became a norm I, long storyshort, I get engaged, I call it
off.
And then I reached back out toEmma and she was getting her
dissertation and she was doingit on a couple's therapy, like
mindfulness based practices inrelationships, and she's like
listen, you're probably a messright now.
I don't actually want to getinvolved, but I have no problem
like interviewing you andfinding out what it was like for
you.
And we ended up having theselike super involved, really deep
(08:09):
conversations, like I rememberlike the feeling that I had
during it was like um, uh, likeback in like eighth grade when
you still had a cord phone andtalking to somebody for the
first time and you talk forhours and just like's easy and
whatnot.
Um, and then we just starteddating.
It was too good to be true.
I slow rolled it because I waslike this has got more than this
(08:30):
can't be just a rebound, um,but it it was good.
We were like the right matchand there was so much that I had
learned from that oldrelationship that I knew I
needed in my partner and who Iwas going to raise a family with
.
That like made it very clearwhat I was standing for, what I
wasn't.
Emma just sort of came up intoall that.
So, um, and then we have Shayyeah, we had Shay add to the mix
(08:53):
and, um, she is a ball of joy,a perfect combination of the two
of us.
Um, you know, again, she's five.
So she's like super artsy.
And you know, um, you know sheloves working out with dads.
She's like, dad, let's do it,let's do a youtube workout.
I'm like, all right, cool, shejust wants me to carry her when
I'm doing squats and like andstuff, which I'm like I'm fine
(09:15):
with um, but yeah, it's kind oflike our, our world right now.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
That's so cool well, um, a couple things there that
made you really home.
I one, I love that yourdaughter already sees the dad
works out.
Yeah, um, I was a collegeathlete.
Um, I was a college athletethat then stopped because I was
just like you know, I was justnot let me burn out from like
just intense working out, andthen I just went like, didn't do
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anything, which was not theright answer, and all of a
sudden I'm like good god, I'mturning the job of the hut, I
can't be doing this and and thenthat then fitness became part
of our, our journey.
When our kids were young, we putthem in the stroller, a little
jogging stroller, and we'd takea princess or a car or football
we'd like.
So all they knew is and then wegot into crossfit and then
(09:59):
stopped doing that and so nowthey just see mom and dad,
whether it's taking a walk witha weighted vest on um, doing
push-ups, doing something, andit's so cool to see that, um,
when your kids see it, that'show they adopt it.
Yeah, you know.
So that means she'll be, she'llprobably get to exercise, you
know.
And and I always tell people,like, find me a day where you
(10:21):
work out and you say, man, Iwish I didn't work out today.
You know, you always want toexercise.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, well, I, I love you.
You share that man.
Like you know, I have thatthought.
Like I remember my mom, likedoing Jane Fonda.
I remember my mom, like youknow, running on the treadmill.
I can still hear the kunk, kunk, kunk, kunk while I'm playing.
(10:48):
You know, nhl, uh 93, and likethe deke, did you have the deke?
yeah, the blood on the ice, allof it oh yeah it was the, it was
the best, um, but I like I, asI've gotten older and the work
that I do is all about you know,behavior change and the
psychology of group dynamics andunderstanding, like, what your
strengths are and what yourinfluences are and how things,
when you're like seven, likeanchor your core values and I'm
(11:10):
like the fact that I have that,I'm like, oh, I see her leaning
into it.
It makes me excited to be likewhat are we modeling Right?
What are we showing up as so?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
that's awesome.
I got to ask I see so people onat home listening to you can't
see it.
But I get to see Dave.
I see a guitar in thebackground.
Do we jam a little bit, man?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
know if you grew up like kind of in that, in that
crew where, like everybody had aband and then the best players
of that band created a band andthen the best players of that
band, those bands, created bandsand then finally, like the best
players actually got a recorddeal and and made it out.
Um, like that, the crew thatmade it out were like my friends
, but I never I wasn't in theband, I was sort of like the
roadie along the way.
Um, but uh, yeah, music's a bigpart of my life.
My whole family are musicians.
(12:05):
My mom plays piano in the uke.
My brother, my brother-in-law,is a phenomenal drummer.
He's like a super high networth, uh, financial advisor and
and he like plays in like adead cover band like every other
weekend.
And he's got this other coverband he does, called Uncovered,
which you should totally checkout.
(12:25):
It's awesome, uncovered.
Uncovered it's a B-sides band.
So, like every artist you know,but songs you don't.
And yeah, we're always jamming.
We actually, once a year Ithrow a guy's trip together,
which Greg has been on, where werent an Airbnb in the Pocono
Mountains.
It's on the water, has a hottub, usually trying to get a
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sauna in there too and we moveall the furniture out of the way
.
We set up a drum kit, bass,electric keys, pa, everything,
and then we just jam all weekend, we cook and hang.
It's the best, absolute, thebest, absolute best wow.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So I'm self-taught guitar player.
I think with a few drinks I'mbetter than I think.
Yeah, yeah, but I can playself-taught.
I can play four or five chords,which is like shit.
Tons of songs.
So, like this weekend, um,we're going to eastern
washington to hang out with ourfamily and then my son's
girlfriend's family is going tobe over there, and last summer I
(13:30):
brought my guitar and it'salways fun when you play guitar
and for the, the people thatdon't play, they think I'm
pretty pretty good, but thepeople who are really guitar
player, like dude, this guysucks, but I just I'm good
enough to play where and I likesinging, where you can play.
You know, you read like theguitar tab, you can kind of like
, like you can play likemajority of the songs, and so,
(13:51):
um, I that'll be this weekendfor us, and so I love, I love
doing it.
I just don't do it enough, butwhen I do it I go in like these
like hour binge guitar sessions.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
So here are my favorites.
You should take man credence.
Bad moon rising is an easy,easy one.
It's like I think it's d, a, gor cg or something like that.
Um got that.
Uh, you got uh, if you want tothrow a sleeper in there, four
non-blondes um uh, if youremember them yeah, it is a
crowd pleaser.
You'll have to learn a b minor,but that's it.
(14:28):
Like it's a.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
It's a fun one well, there's a lot of country too.
That um, um, a lot of countryis uh, uh, you can play a lot of
those songs too, which isobviously super, super fun.
Um, yeah, uh, but it's, it'sfunny, my kid, my daughter, my,
my wife is actually a reallygood singer, but she doesn't
play.
Um, doesn't play, doesn't singa lot, but like I always get
(14:53):
like honey sing, let the letthem roar girl Um okay.
Well, let's um.
I always like transitioning nowto to learn about um.
I want to learn about Dave.
What.
What for you like?
What was life growing up?
Talk about that journey andtalk about the impact that mom
(15:14):
and dad had on you from a valuesperspective that is going to be
important for Shea, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So just my sister and I, you know, pretty like normal
.
You know upper middle class.
You know neighborhood.
My parents were definitely grewup from a blue collar
neighborhood.
They're the first to get out.
You know my dad, you know, wasa lawyer.
My mom was a legal secretary.
That's how they met and youknow they always talked about,
(15:39):
you know, the importance ofdoing your thing.
They were career entrepreneurs,you know.
They started their own law firmand then they jumped into like
casinos, you know, at one point.
And then they started a globalnonprofit that did healthcare
relief and built hospitals allthroughout Ukraine, which are
all unfortunately, destroyedright now.
Like you know, they set a bar oflike you want to do something,
(16:02):
go do something, right.
And you know I really I lovethat.
And there's some, like you know.
You know the shadow side, thedark side of that too, a lot of
what was driven for them.
I love them to death high,achieving well-meaning, but also
there was a deep for both ofthem, a deep sense of insecurity
or needing value from otherpeople.
That drove them.
(16:22):
That, like I noticed growing up, my sister and I who she's also
an executive coach, like wesomehow came to this work
together.
Separate paths, but you know,noticing like you can achieve
all this stuff, but, like, ifyou aren't personally fulfilled,
if you aren't personally about,like, have clarity about what
matters to you and what joy is,and you know, and how does your
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joy and value not be contingentupon you know, the external, so
those are lessons that I learned, sort of as like the, the
converse of what they, what theyshared, um, you know, but it
was all about, like, you know,challenging yourself, pushing
yourself, and you know they weresuper trusting of us.
Uh, if we did well, we had a lotof freedom.
I had a little bit too muchfreedom, ended up going to
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military school with Greg Offner, and you know, but that also
then gave me some core grounding.
It was the trust that I canfigure it out, you know, and you
know, put me in an environment.
I'll learn it, I'll understandit.
And Valley Forge, um, andValley Forge like obviously
instilled a ton.
So I was 14 when I went there.
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Uh, you know, and it's all about, you know, honor, integrity, uh
, you know, being really honestwith yourself and not just with
others, but about you know, whatyou're capable of and what you
need to do and the disciplineassociated with that.
You know I wasn't the beststudent but you know I figured
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it out.
I went from like D's tovaledictorian when I figured out
like I had ADHD and like how doyou manage that?
Not just with medication butother things, and I think a lot
of that, as it relates to Shea,is just you know, you know, know
thyself, be, really invest inyourself.
Like I think there's a lot of,wherever you fall on the
spectrum, related to gentleparenting or whatnot, but there
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is something about you know,especially with girls and I'm
really present to this like howmuch the outside world
influences their sense of selfand um, and value and whatnot.
So, just like it took me, it'sbeen hard like to kind of rewire
my brain to be like you knowhow my parents would say like
you look handsome or you lookpretty.
To my sister to be like, oh,you look pretty.
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I'm like what am I reinforcingwith that?
Am I trying to do that or not?
Um, she'll be like daddy, do Ilook pretty in this dress?
And I'm like well, how does itmake you feel Right?
What do you like about it?
Like just learning to likeaugment a little bit.
So, again, a lot of good stuffand a lot of you know how do we
do better as parents?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
So when you, as you reflect back on when mom and dad
said, hey, oh, davey, we'regoing to, we're going, we're
going to military school,brother, like, talk me through
that journey.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, um, so my sister was the most popular girl
in school.
She's four years older than me.
She graduated and went intocollege when I went in as a
freshman and I was the littlebrother of, like, the girl who
was the most popular.
So like I ended up hanging outwith all these kids that
probably shouldn't have beenhanging out with yet.
Um, you know, it was fun, itwas good attention and whatnot.
(19:29):
But like, just like smokingweed and doing dumb shit, like I
was never, you know, amalicious person, just very
mischievous, just getting intoshit.
And at one point I this is sucha dumb thing as I reflect on it
it's so funny.
But like I forged my reportcard because I got a bunch of
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D's and stuff and turned D's toB's.
But I went over a carbon copywith a felt tip marker, like,
and told my parents like theprinter smudged and my dad was
like, calls the school and theand he and he goes to the.
He calls the school and um, hesays like hey, I think my son
(20:11):
forged his report card.
Tell me his grades and theschool tell him uh, that tells
him.
Uh, we can't tell you.
We know who you are.
He's like how about I tell youwhat I got?
You tell me what you got andthen we'll see if it matches up.
And uh, at that exact moment Iwas was actually walking out
heading to a wrestlingtournament and I got a call into
my Spanish class that I hadleft.
(20:32):
And I hear down the hall, asI'm like halfway down the hall,
they're like senor, you have acall and I'm like okay, and I
come back and I hear my dad sayhe's like you know what you did.
And at that point I had done alot of stuff and I didn't know
what I did the cop to.
And you know, we go through it.
And it was in this moment, thislike the next hour, where they
(20:55):
come pick me up.
My grandparents were flying infrom Florida and we're driving
and it's just silence and justletting it settle in, like I
just lied to my family, like Ijust lied to my family, like it
might've been silly or stupid,but like I really like I made a
choice and it like was such asilly thing out of fear, and it
(21:15):
was just like this moment.
And because we were picking upmy grandparents, my dad didn't
lay into me like he wouldnormally because, like you know,
we had people that were goingto be there and he wouldn't want
to show up and it was just likehaving that space to just sit
in.
That discomfort was like okay.
And you know, we had a friendwhose kid went to Valley Forge
and they're like what do youthink about this?
(21:36):
I'm like I think it's probablya good idea.
We should go do it and ended upbeing like the best thing ever.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
That's powerful, how um, I don't know if you've.
Oh so, I've shared this storybefore.
Like when I lied to my mom whenI was 11 and uh, when I was
first time I got into uh,overhand baseball pitch and uh,
I lied to my mom and my dad andthe the pitch, I was like I got
(22:04):
put on this team because Ithought I was gonna be a good
player for him.
And I get there and like, andthe pitchers throwing like a
thousand miles an hour and itwas going every which direction.
I'm like I'm gonna die.
There's a good chance I'm dyingright now, yeah, which is not
true.
But I remember like, uh, I thefirst about I got there.
Somehow I got a walk.
I didn't get hit.
I was like thank god I got tofirst base.
(22:25):
I'm like there's not a chancein shit, I'm going back out
there.
So I was like, uh, stomach ache, oh yeah.
No my stomach's, I can't, Ican't, which is a total cop out
way to do it.
And I remember I get in the carafterwards and my mom was like
hey, how's your stomach feeling,mom?
Huh, oh, oh, yeah, it's, it'sfeeling better.
Yeah, thanks, mom.
And they get home and they knewI was full of shit and they go
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hey, be honest, did your stomachhurt?
He's like well, no, I justdidn't want to face that guy
Cause I was scared of him.
He's like okay, so here'swhat's going to happen You're
going to call your coach rightnow and tell him what you did,
or or we're going to call him,which is not going to happen, so
you're going to call him.
So I literally had to call mycoach as an 11 year old.
(23:09):
Tell him the truth, own it.
He goes man Casey, I'm sodisappointed in you, but I'm
also proud of you that you madethe phone call.
Let me know, um, to make thisgo away.
You're going to tell the teamwhat you told me on Tuesday
night of practice 11.
Now I'm almost 50, dude, Istill remember this like as
yesterday.
And I remember telling my teamthey're like what?
(23:31):
And then they all were like hey, you know what, we forgive you
and we move on and, like I, madethat pain go away.
But, like to your point, Ithink humans change, just like
the selling process, and we'reselling something.
If we don't create pain, peopledon't change.
There's not a there's not ainclination, because it has to
be your idea or my idea.
But if someone telling me whatI'm doing wrong or tell me to do
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something differently but Ithink it relates to parenting it
can't be our idea.
So I think that the art I'm abig curiosity guy so, like the
art of asking great questionsand patience and having silence
as your friend, I think aboutthose lessons.
I think your lesson is afantastic one, but, like those
moments, people I don't think.
Which I think I love about thispodcast, which I've learned a
(24:15):
lot about myself, is when wedon't create space to talk about
these types of things, weforget about them, we don't
reflect and then we don't thinkwell, who else could this story
benefit if I was vulnerableenough to share?
Yeah, and usually it draws humanconnection which I think I know
as much as I love ai.
You love ai, but I don't thinkai can create that moment of
connection like work you know,like you connect with, like
(24:38):
whether it's you and shay, maybeeventually you tell that story
when she maybe lies to you andyou're like, flashes you back
and maybe say tell me, would itbe helpful, honey, if I share a
story where daddy lied?
And then she might, because Ithink when we make these
mistakes we feel like we'realone.
No one else on the planet'sdone this except for us.
We're the worst person ever.
It's like slowing down torealize that shit for flawed
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humans is like all of us.
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Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, there's so many things that we need to share it
.
I think, and like these are alluniversal experiences that we
all go through, like you knowthat we experienced, but, right,
the, the relatedness tosomebody else to have gone
through something, to not tojust feel acknowledged or
whatever, like whoever'slistening who might've had this
deep shame about somethingthey've held in process, like
(26:24):
there's, there's a beauty inthat.
You know it makes me think ofyou know you're saying about
your son and also, again, yourown idea and such the notion of
self-determination theory where,like, intrinsic motivation is
the contingent upon threefactors.
It's, you know, a level of, uh,authority and autonomy.
Right, it was a making thechoice, uh, like choosing to
(26:45):
lean into something or to dosomething tough or whatever.
Uh, a sense of competence, likeI feel like I'm actually okay
at getting better at this or Ican get through this or I can
try it.
And then relatedness, knowingthat other people have gone that
are also involved as acommunity also in it.
You know it's like if you'retrying to get better as a father
(27:05):
or get better as a leader or ateam leader or whatever, you
know, if you like, look atyourself and be like hold on
like why am I not sticking withthis plan or this goal or this,
whatever?
It's like there might not bechoice in it, there might not be
other people kind of goingthrough it.
I haven't gone through enoughcycles yet to feel like I've got
some progress Right.
(27:26):
And I love like how, as parents, you can, you can create the
conditions for a few of those,you know for a couple of those,
but like and help them get thereps and connect them with folks
that are going through it.
But I love that yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
so from like you and your sis I don't know if you've
ever talked to her about this,but as you reflect if I kind of
put you on the spot here, davelike go for it what were like
the most specific cult to valuesthat like hit home when they
think of the gloss family, likethese were the non-negotiables
and that were so important toyou that, like you know the
(28:02):
impact of the learning you wentthrough that you're going to
make sure that Shay embraces aswell.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, it's interesting, as I, my sister and
I what would we say?
I think, the importance offamily, like a being with each
other, knowing you have peoplethat you're always going to rely
upon and come back to creatingthe space for that.
So, like, family number one,like maybe that's a cop out in
(28:29):
terms of a value, but in termsof like, you know cultivating it
, investing in it, you knowbeing there for each other
through thick and thin, beingable to have the hard
conversation with each other,right, like, I think that's a
really important piece.
And then you know, I think whatwe both took away and you know,
hit on before it, just thenotion of you know, I think what
(28:50):
we both took away and you know,hit on before it's just the
notion of you know, joy issomething that originates within
you, right, it's not somethingthat is fulfilled or satisfied
by anything external.
Those can be mechanisms to helpyou get there.
But you know, the whole notionof like, do have, be, like if I
do this, I'll have this, thenI'll be happy, right, it's kind
(29:12):
of the inverse.
It's like be, do have, likestart from a happy, joyous place
, then go do something and thenyou'll have something that you
want or can play with, but your,your joy and your and your
sense of self and value andworth and happiness.
All that.
It's not contingent upon what'soutside.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
It's something you generate inside yeah, and I
think that's that's a reallydeep, deep topic.
Um, that could take us down alot of paths, but in the spirit
of time I won't because I'm notlet my fight my curiosity.
But, uh, I think, like what yousaid earlier about values, um,
like letting your values driveyour life, even like when you're
(29:49):
the coaching work, like lettingyour values drive your life and
even like when you're thecoaching work you do, letting
the value drive you, like Ithink those are so important and
like I am so crystal clear forme, the values that are most
important to me is be the mosthumble person I can be, be the
most curious person I can be andbe the most vulnerable person I
can be.
And I've yet to see a culturewhen those three things exist.
That it's not joyous, it's notharmonious for a better word,
(30:12):
it's just it's like it creates asafe space where people can be
our authentic self.
And you know, corny dad joke, Ialways tell my kids I said the
number one reason to be yourselfis because everybody else is
already taken.
You know, it's like you andwe're all here on earth, we all
have a gift or gifts you knowsomething, it's coming up for me
(30:34):
.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
it's making me just kind of be like flipping about.
You know, I, I saw this on atiktok, like not too long ago.
Um, like the most loud,rambunctious, like you know kid
is the safest, happiest kid, um,and it makes me be like, you
know, when I'm I'm seeing my, mydaughter, run around, be crazy
or whatever, and I'm like huh,like I want to shut that down,
(30:58):
but I, honestly, that's a goodreflection of you, you, you feel
safe to be vulnerable.
You're safe to like you.
We've created that environment,so love it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, you're right, you're right, yeah, yeah, when
we are acting, we're having funand think about, think about
kids, like how often we canlearn from them.
Like you rarely see a kid who'snot embarrassed to go up to
another kid and, oh, can I play?
What are you doing?
For, as humans, we're, likescared to go to a networking
event.
We're scared to, like, gointroduce ourselves.
Or and you know, for those thatcan't see or have not met me,
(31:31):
that I have a belief sign behindme.
Not only it's a little tedlasso theme, but it's a lot of
the work I do when I, when Icoach people, is it's making
sure that people realize, hey,do you believe what you do
matters, it's believe inyourself.
And when you have that, it'slike there's so much um that can
go for the positive um.
It just sometimes we don't slowdown to think about it.
(31:53):
You know, yeah, when you thinkabout an area of your dad game
that maybe is not where you wantit to be, um, I know like for
me it was patience.
I've had to work hard on that.
Um, I think this podcast hashelped me.
Interviewing 300 dads, it'slike I've become a way more
patient person as, and thenusually people are competitive.
Um, they're not patient.
(32:13):
Um, that's, that's my gap I'malways working on.
Maybe for you, dave, tell mewhat's your, your dad game.
That maybe isn't where you wantto be.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, and I don't think it's necessarily the dad
game, I think it's just an.
You know just the nature of,you know living with, with ADHD,
and you know impulsivity andpost control, things like that.
There's like the, the patient'spiece that falls into it.
But last year, last fall, youknow, fortunately we didn't get
the, the fall preschool flu likewe did the year before or the
(32:44):
multiple of them.
But my daughter did get Lyme'sand it like was totally just set
her off.
It triggered all her, her, hertendencies that we knew about.
Like she's a very particularkid, more fastidious than I am.
She runs past an overturnedcorner on a carpet, she'll
double back and put it right.
Like she's showing some signsof that already.
(33:05):
You know, which makes us justjust noticing you noticing it
could be a personality thing,maybe it's OCD, whatever.
We're not helicoptering around,we're just aware.
But it did exacerbate a lot ofthat stuff what we had found out
, if you're familiar with theresearch on highly sensitive
(33:26):
people and highly sensitivechildren.
So it's a new personality trait, it's sort of been documented.
You know people that are alittle bit more attuned to
what's happening, high empath,you know there's all these jokes
about, like moms and or peoplewho have too much inputs and
they're like I, just I'moverwhelmed by too much.
Right now I need a break,whether it's the vent fan on the
(33:48):
stove or the Alexa playing andthe kids screaming, the dog
barking.
But you know, through theprocess we learned that you know
, lyme's exacerbated this stuff.
She calmed down, but it made uskind of go on this hunt of
understanding that she has allthe hallmarks of a highly
sensitive kid my wife highlysensitive person, kid my wife
(34:13):
highly sensitive person and as aperson with ADHD, right, it
requires so much self-regulationnot to add more, right?
So if she's having an issue,she's having a meltdown or a
breakdown or she's beingdisruptive.
When you add more or you addsternness or whatever, it
actually exacerbates thesituation versus giving her an
opportunity or teaching her howto self-regulate her highly,
highly sensitive emotions.
Um, and my, it's been somethingfor me where I've had to, like,
(34:35):
go through therapy, where I'mlike my instincts are are wrong.
I mean, I felt that as a dad,like I want to comfort or do
something for her.
That actually goes counter towhat she might need in the
moment and that has been kind ofthe hardest thing to deal with.
Yeah, you know where I'm like,let's read it.
(34:57):
What's that?
That speaks to me.
Yeah, you know it's likeredirecting the energy or
whatever.
It's like no less is more andyou know that's been hard and
I'm still going through it,right.
But I think there's some goodbooks out there and whatnot, and
I've had the chance to processand you know, you become a
little bit more aware of likeokay, what is it?
What are the things that I cando?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Or what's my like checklist of stuff.
Well, when you say that, dave,it made me think about like the
heart of the height of covid,when the world shut down and
we're like, oh, what's gonnahappen?
And I, we were those parentswere doing way too much for our
kids and but as I, but but anyperson in life, if you reflect
back on, your biggest learningsis when you failed, when you
(35:43):
struggled, when you went throughadversity, and sometimes the
hardest least for me is like,and I think golf is such a great
lesson for me and my sonbecause golf will humble the
shit out of you I putquarterback some days.
I didn't mean to throwinterceptions, I wasn't trying
to enter throw interceptions.
My daughter's a basketballplayer, that's what she loves to
do and she's like they'restudents too, but not that.
One thing doesn't define itwhen I think it, well, it's
(36:07):
life's easy.
But when she's shooting and notgoing in, it's like, oh, you
want to comfort her.
But like, sometimes I'velearned to celebrate the
failures without emotion,without through like
disappointment or too exciting.
I'm just like man, I just andnow I just like celebrate.
I just love watching youcompete, I love watching Try
your best.
I love because I think it wasJoe Montana's dad asked him one
(36:30):
day.
He said what's more important?
Do you want to be your best ordo you want to be the best?
And sometimes it's funny, Ieven asked that to a team I was
coaching this morning in thework I do, and I it was like
probably 10 people on the calland they were younger
salespeople and I asked him thatand like three of them said I
want to be the best, and sevenpeople said I want to be the
best and seven people said Iwant to be the.
I want to be my best.
And I said, for those of yousaid my best, you got the answer
(36:52):
right.
I'm not saying I'm right, butit's one man's opinion.
And I said because the best, wecan't control it.
We don't have control of that,but to two bad days or one or
two bad days equal one bad week.
And so I've had to learn thatsometimes, when my kids do
(37:15):
struggle, that's an awesomelearning moment, and if I try to
fix it and solve it, I'mactually hurting their growth
because I don't want them to gothrough it.
And so I have had to reallylearn that lesson um over time,
and you know it's hard but it's,it's but shapes us.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it's .
I think it's that, thatunderstanding, that patience,
that bigger perspective, Um, butyou know I come, come up to it
all the time.
Man Like, just coming fromgoing to military school, my dad
was super strict and stern andyou know, sometimes I like I
bring the hammer and I'm like Idon't mean to bring the hammer.
(37:55):
It's just instinctive.
And then other times I'm likelet's talk about your feelings,
let's process it, and I'm likeshe's probably so confused with
who's showing up sometimes.
But I think that's part of thejam.
You know part of our ownjourney as dads.
You know what's the rhythm andit's not just like you know what
type of dad do I need to be.
(38:16):
You know big B, but like whattype of dad do I need to be
right now, in this moment, forwho this person is today?
Sometimes it's helpful torecouch it.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, well, one thing that I always I told my kids
when they were growing up, Isaid the one thing kids, there's
not a manual.
You, unfortunately, are thetest dummies.
I've never been a dad beforeand so I'm doing my best, and so
I going to make mistakes andyou're going to make mistakes,
and so.
But I think the biggest thingis, the more we communicate, the
more we talk about hey, how youknow we're feeling, but being
(38:50):
silent, going to our room, nottalking.
I said now we might need alittle 10 second break, like
take a deep breath and let theair calm in the room, but going
through some of these things andtalking through it is uh, and
if it's consistent, that's.
I think the habits stick and youknow, I can reflect back to
when my kids were shay's age andnow that they're much older,
it's.
It's so fun when you create aspace where they do feel safe to
(39:13):
talk to you.
They do feel safe to open upabout certain things, because
sometimes I mean, no, my mom,dad, no, they did a great job
raising me, but I wasn't thethings I'm talking to my son
about, whereas not what I wastalking to my dad about.
Yeah, and it's really cool tocreate a space where it's like
you're a coach, but you're alsoa friend at times, um where they
(39:34):
feel safe to open up and talkbecause it's like listen, I got
your back, but I can't help it.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I'm not a mind reader .
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I was a mind reader, I'd be working at the fair
guessing people's weight honey,I don't know what.
So I love, I mean, I think whatyou said is going to speak to
many dads at home, cause that'sthe stuff we're all facing.
Yeah, am I too hard?
Am I not too hard?
Do I fix?
Do I not fix?
Yeah, every day, right, exactlyso I want to learn.
(40:03):
So you talked about.
You said something the verybeginning that really spoke to
me.
You, you went out on your own,so you're doing your own thing
now, and I went out on my own in2020, really kind of on
accident.
I didn't mean to do the workI'm doing now, but I mean, as
corny as it sounds, it's a truecalling.
I truly believe that.
And, um, like, I've not missedone basketball game.
I, I would.
(40:24):
I've been in Vegas twice, I'vebeen in Sacramento, I've been in
Chicago.
Um, I've caddied for my son inmultiple golf tournaments and I,
yesterday, my son he leaves forcollege next Friday, but he
wanted to play golf.
That kind of worked out earlyin the day Cause a buddy went
and I was like I'm making ithappen.
So I called my clients and say,hey, I apologize, but can we,
(40:47):
can we move this to this time?
Can we move this to that time?
You were gracious enough tomove up 30 minutes today so I
could be able to leave on timeto get to eastern Washington,
for my daughter has collegevisits like that is a blessing.
I'm so grateful for that.
So maybe talk about you, thethis journey for you and the
impact this flexibility has onyou as a dad.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah.
So the journey, like I'm a Iguess I consider myself an elder
millennial you know that inbetween gap between Gen X and
such that we grew up like workhard, you get all the rewards,
and that's not necessarily true.
So I still have a lot of thatcarry over of working hard in my
in my twenties I worked for aventure capital fund and, you
(41:24):
know, really leaned in hard.
You know all those guys had onetoo many buttons unbuttoned on
their shirt and had thatBluetooth thing in and chest
hair popping.
That's who I thought I wantedto be and like you grind hard,
you take calls at the dinnertable and you know that was sort
of like the culture that Ithrew up that mattered and you
know it ended up actually, youknow, causing some health issues
(41:45):
.
You know stress reallymanifests itself really in my
body, physically, before it'sever intellectually unconscious
of it and whatnot, and you know.
So the journey started in mylate 20s where you know I
started to really take on stressmanagement, mindfulness, those
types of things, and it's been ajourney around boundary setting
because it's got to start withyourself what matters.
(42:06):
But I would still work foranother couple of startups that
we took to acquisitions, you gota lot of stress and investor
pressure and all that stuff andit takes all of you to build
those things.
But I had a moment where I waslike all right and this is even
before I went independent Like Iwas able to create this balance
where, you know, I just satdown and my wife and I, you know
(42:28):
what are, what are the thingsthat matter, what do we want to
create in our life?
And you know where does balancefit in and what does that mean
and how does that look for usand our family?
Before we even had our daughter, we like anchored to it before,
knowing it would take time towork in, and I think it's been
beautiful, like the words that Ihave kind of anchored to is
being a present husband andfather.
(42:48):
That's then evolved to being apresent husband and father with
my family, because I can bethere physically but if I'm not
there mentally, it's a differentthing.
But I always let my teams and myclients know like I'm done at
five.
I will take an emergency fromhere or there, but I'm like
signaling like it is notsomething that we take on and I
was able to shape that for sixyears in my last company and you
(43:11):
know, and organize my lifearound it and it's given such
joy.
And now independent, like I'vedone that even further, like I'm
done at five, but I'm notreally working too much on
Mondays and Fridays.
Right, I don't let my calendarlink to be scheduled on Mondays
and Fridays.
You know that means Tuesdaythrough Thursday is tough, but
you know that means I've set upthe conditions to take my
(43:34):
daughter to basketball everyweek.
My wife sees clients betweenseven and nine and five and
seven she a psychologist and youknow I wake, shay up, I get her
ready for school, I take her toschool, you know, I put her, I
do dinner and I put her to bed,um, you know.
And then during those off days,like we just play, we explore,
we go to the creek around ourhouse, we take extended trips,
(43:55):
like it's been such a blessing,um, um, you know, but it, it.
It took 20 years to figure outhow to put that shit into
practice or unlearn the, thebehaviors.
So it's like, you know, in it,in it it's boundary setting in
every other part of your lifeand being comfortable with it
and not knowing like you'regoing to lose your job.
And if you do lose your job.
(44:15):
That's not the fucking place tobe Right Like you know it takes
a real commitment to it.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
if that's how you want to organize your life
around, how, if you had to likethink through, like you know,
maybe, a specific way?
How do you feel like being morepresent has helped you as a dad
?
Speaker 1 (44:36):
You know, I think it's about taking it in, Like
you always see those, like Ithink I've heard you mentioned
another podcast like the 1440 orwhatever it is, or the how many
weeks you have in your lifechart.
You've seen those.
You know like in half of thattime you're sleeping and the
other half you're shitting, andlike you know, like it's just
like how do you, just beingaware of time and you know aware
(45:00):
of the passage of time and howthat accelerates, and just like
conscious of it, knowing that isa true thing, you know, makes
me like do little snapshotmoments where you know I
remember when my daughter's roomwas a mess and I ran into it
and I was just like rawr in myhead and then I'm like this
won't be like this forever and Itook a snapshot in my head and
(45:23):
just like this beautiful moment,and I come back to that thought
every few months just tore-anchor what it was like to
have her as a baby, right, and acouple other of those on the
camping trips and whatnot, whereit's just like you know it
allows you to flip moments.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
You know, I don't know.
It's awesome man, it's this.
I think, like every, everyconversation I get from a dad,
it's free therapy for me.
So, apologize, I should invoice, I should.
You should send me an invoicefor therapy to give me.
But it's like just havingconversations.
It further reminds me of what'simportant.
And when I'm mess, when I'm mybest version of myself, I'm
(46:03):
really, really, really present.
And I remember I've shared thisstory before but I remember when
my kids were like three and one, whatever, I was leaving at six
in the morning, leaving at sixat night and getting home only
15 minutes of bedtime andmiserable.
Now I was making my companytons of money and life was great
for me, but I was not.
(46:23):
I was happy at work but nothappy at home because I wasn't
present.
And then, once I learned toleave at four, cause my boss,
angela Ronica, she said leave atfour, I go.
It's not a bank, I can't leavefirst, like, why can't you?
You don't trust us.
And it was such a good punch inthe face of like, no, I do.
And so I learned to delegatemore.
I learned to realize thatthere's more people to the team
(46:44):
that can be successful, and fromfive to seven.
That was my exact what you said.
That was my time Bedtime, bathtime, feeding, present, because
no one's that important when Iwas at my company for 20 years
when I left, they didn't go outof business.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah, they also didn't think about you after you
left A hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
When you dial yeah, a thousand percent, dude, you're
dead on, and when you dial 911,my phone doesn't ring, so I'm
not as important as I think orever thought, and so it's like,
again it goes back to thehumility which you know.
Again, these conversations giveme that, that piece.
But if you were before we gointo some fun lightning round,
if you were to like summarizekind of things that we've talked
(47:23):
about in the 45 minutes which Ican't believe how fast this has
gone that maybe throughreflection or through how you
and you and you guys, you andyour wife will, you know, create
values for Shay, or how otherdads at home can learn from what
we've talked about, maybe inlike two or three actionable
things that dads can take fromour conversation to be maybe the
ultimate leader of their home.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Tell me what comes to mind yeah, I think you know
maybe not from our conversation,but I think the actionable
piece, which maybe it doesfilter in, it's like what is joy
for you, right?
It's sort of like put your yourmask on first type of thing and
and how does that then inform?
How do you then create yourlife around you that informs
that?
So, like that, like that makesit a little bit easier and like,
(48:06):
again, that changes all thetime.
So, like a practice my wife andI do is, every year, like we,
around new year's, we sit downand anchor like what do we learn
, what we want to do differentlythis next year, and just keep
reflecting and refining it allthe time and and being like all
right, less of this, more ofthis.
I think tim ferris has got likethe 80 20 he talks about, where
(48:27):
you really do a hard inventoryof like what gave you energy,
what drained it, what made youmore money or more whatever, and
what like didn't, and you justfocus on the things that did and
, um, I think that's been reallyhelpful as, like a father, you
know, getting clear on like okay, this year is about adventure
and like we have planned it outRight.
(48:47):
And you know the whole notion oflike what gets planned happens.
So it's like, if you're hopingfor it to happen, like don't
like block a weekend book, thatAirbnb or whatever, like you
have to to make it happen.
And then I think the otherpieces again, what it takes to
sort of maintain the presenceI'm a big practitioner of breath
work and mindfulness and likehow do you invest in those
(49:10):
things for yourself, you know,and and how that, like as a
family, do you talk aboutlearning to self-regulate,
learning to, you know, be clearabout what matters, learning how
to communicate clearly anddirectly?
Like, um, yeah, not a goodsummary, but hopefully, no, that
was fantastic actually I Ican't wait to new year's to do
(49:31):
that with my family.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
That's a great exercise.
Um, I'm sure people are goingto want to learn about you.
Um, how you showed up, how Imean you have a calming voice,
your presence is.
You make people.
I could see why people want tobe around you.
Like if people want to learnmore about you and the work you
do, tell me what's the best waypeople can find you.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, go to LinkedIn.
Just find me on LinkedIn.
You know, dave Gloss, wilsonHall.
You know it's the easiest wayto look at it.
Based out of Philadelphia, Imean, go to wilsonhallcom.
I'm not too big on social.
I played around with Tik TOK, Igot a couple of things on there
, but don't follow, I don't makea lot, um, but you know,
connecting with me on LinkedIn,most of my work right now is
around teams.
How do you create a sense ofmeeting, meaning and build in a
(50:13):
practice of teaming thatconstantly reinforce our
effectiveness, our purpose, our,you know, our.
I call it what I do corporatesocial work.
It's like leadership.
Teams need to understand how tobuild trust and connect and
shape vision and bring peoplealong.
That's all that I do.
I take people out on on mountaintreks or or your own boardroom
and I do a lot of one-to-onework with, with CEOs and such.
(50:37):
I've been doing a lot ofsuccession stuff, so I'm
actually doing a researchproject.
Right now.
I'm at what we call life afterleadership, so I'm helping do a
lot with the next leaders thatare taking over the CFO or the
CEO seat, but then those leaderswho are retiring.
There's not a lot out there.
So, if you're between 55 and 75and you're interested in
sharing your story, I'm doing aresearch project now that I'd
(50:58):
love to to hear from you andlearn what your journey is like,
what you're scared of, whatyou're excited about and what
resources you're turning to.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Oh, I love that.
Please, if you're I know that'sgoing to speak to a lot of dads
on that one.
That's research that is goingto impact a lot of people and I
so grateful you shared that, sowe'll make sure that your
website's linked in the shownotes so people can connect with
you.
Dave, it's now time to go intowhat's called the lightning
round, which I go random on you.
(51:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
I prepared based off of like a few other ones, so
hopefully I got answers that'llfit if you're going to go rogue
on me.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Well, your challenge is to answer these questions as
quickly as you can.
My challenge is to make it geta giggle out of you, and I'm
going to show the hits.
The effects have taken too manyhits in college not bong hits,
but football hits.
All right, let's do it okay.
True or false, the kraken willbeat the flyers in seven to win
the first family cup absolutelynot false.
Uh, take that back this year,maybe okay what, tell me what is
(51:58):
the one song you can play thatwould surprise uh people that
don't know you uh metallica's umuh fade to black okay, if I
came to your house for dinnertonight, what would we have?
Speaker 1 (52:13):
uh, most likely a blue apron there you go easy.
Favorite comedy movie of alltime is Favorite comedy movie of
all time is Spaceballs as aneasy go-to.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Call him the desert.
Yeah, tell me the last book youread.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
The last book I read was the Creative Act by Rickick
rubin, the music producer.
He's got like a whole likemindfulness book around um
understanding creativity andwhat it means, the discipline
behind it, and creativity notjust like arts but like business
and whatever like.
How do you cultivate it?
Speaker 2 (52:53):
love it.
Um, if there was to be a bookwritten about your life, tell me
the title uh, the subtle art ofbeing a vegging wizard, that is
fantastic.
I like that's got a ring to itnow.
Yeah, believe it or not, thisbook.
Amazon can't print enoughcopies because the order is just
flying in burns.
Noble, lost all copies.
Every airport sold out becauseeveryone wants to read this book
(53:14):
.
You are now, um, netflix hasreached out to you.
They're going to make a movieabout this book.
You're the casting director.
Um, I need to know who're goingto make a movie about this book
.
You're the casting director.
I need to know who's going to.
Which Hollywood actor is goingto star you in this critically
acclaimed, hit new movie Zach?
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Galifianakis Fantastic choice.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Fantastic choice.
Okay, and then the lastquestion.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
I always love asking dads tell me two words that
would describe your wifeIrrefutable and cherished.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Those words had never been used.
And that's a fucking mic drop,baby, I love those.
Well done.
Uh, lightning round's over.
We both giggle a little bit.
Uh, I think I giggled more.
Um, so you're gonna give youthe dub, but, um, greg offner.
Thank you for connecting me anddave.
This is not gonna be the lasttime we speak, man, I I am
intrigued by your work.
I will learn more about it and,um, I think there's a lot of
(54:05):
people I'd love to connect youwith and I think I love
connecting others because itfills my tank.
I don't keep score, but it'sthe power of what I call
boomerang mindset the more weserve others, the boomerang will
keep coming back to you.
It's been an honor speaking withyou.
I've learned a ton.
I got a page full of notes.
(54:26):
I hope everybody at home doestoo.
Please reach out to Dave ifyou've been intrigued by what
he's talked about and shared,and I think a lot of the work he
does with leaders is going tobe impactful, because the
leaders and the companies thatspend time working on culture
and slow down to realize theimportance of this helps people
be their authentic self.
It's a sense of people can canlet their true gifts shine and
their values will come to lifetoo.
So, man, I'm grateful for you,I appreciate your time and um
(54:47):
hope to have a chance to meetyou in the in the future.
Man, thank you again.
Likewise, brother.
Hi, I'm Riley and I'm Ryder, and this is my dad show.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Hey everybody, it's Casey Jaycox with the
quarterback dad cast.
Welcome to season six and Icould not be more excited to
have you join me for anotheryear of fantastic episodes and
conversations really unscriptedand raw and authentic
conversations with dads.
If you're new to this podcast,really it's simple.
It's a podcast where weinterview dads, we learn about
how they were raised, we learnabout the life lessons that were
(00:34):
important to them, we learnabout the values that are
important to them and really welearn about how we can work hard
to become a better quarterbackor leader of our home.
So let's sit back, relax andlisten to today's episode on the
Quarterback Dadcast.
Well, hey, everybody, welcome tothe Quarterback Dadcast.
Again, we're in season six andI get so excited to interview
other dads who come, referred byprevious guests, and so I got
(00:57):
to give love to the talentedGreg Offner, who can tickle the
ivory and captivate an audiencewith his voice, and he said you
got to talk to my friend, daveGloss, and Dave is an executive
coach, strategic advisor,helping companies in many
different ways, also adoptingthe power of AI.
(01:19):
I'm sure you guys have heardabout that.
I found out he's a diehard wethink diehard Flyers fan.
He definitely admitted that theKraken are a better hockey team
.
We'll see if that's still thetruth False.
He did not say that.
But more importantly, we'rehaving Dave on today because
we're learning about Dave thedad, how he's working hard to
become the ultimate quarterbackor leader of his household.
(01:40):
So, without further ado, mrGlass, welcome to the
Quarterback Dadcast.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Thank you, my friend.
Good to be here.
Thanks, greg, for the nudge.
My friend, I don't do thesethat often.
He's like you need to talk tothis guy.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So I'm like all right , well, check it out.
Well, I'm grateful.
So we always start speaking ofgrateful.
We always start out eachepisode with gratitude.
So tell me, what are you mostgrateful for as a dad today?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, we, yeah, we've been on kind of perma vacation
this summer.
We've done a bunch of trips.
So my daughter she's five mywife and I just the three of us.
We did a little bit of campingearlier this summer.
We did about to gear up foranother week out in Colorado.
So just really grateful forthis time, these memories,
experiences.
We're kind of getting going.
And I went independent.
I used to work for a consultingfirm doing all the coaching and
the team work and strategystuff and I went independent in
(02:39):
January and it's been a blessedyear.
Being a present husband andfather is my number one priority
in life and you know, kind ofgoing independent has kind of
created this.
So right now I'm justexploiting the fruits of the
labor and the intention.
So it's been nice.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Love that.
That spoke to me in manydifferent ways which we'll dive
into.
But what I'm grateful for is acouple things.
One my wife is home.
She was gone for about a weekand a half.
Our family goes to the EastCoast every summer and my wife
usually stays another week and ahalf by herself, gets some nice
mom time with a bunch of momson this small little island
called Cuddyhunk Island, whichis off the coast of Boston.
(03:18):
And so I like last week I hadsome great time, one-on-one time
, my son and my daughter.
So I'm grateful the family'sback, but I had some of those
moments.
My kids are a little older thanyours.
I got a 19 and almost17-year-old Just a little bit
older, yeah, but I remember whenmy kids were five, brother,
that was like yesterday and timeis like speeding up, but I'm
(03:43):
grateful you're.
When your daughter's older,you'll start experiencing this.
But, like my son had thatbreakthrough of things I've said
to him forever but it justwasn't clicking.
And then he finally had thisaha moment.
It was actually on the golfcourse about.
Um, for those that play golf,do you play golf at all?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I can.
I can swing the sticks and pickup the ball, but I'm not
competitive.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So, like I play still a lot, my son plays, obviously
in college.
But like the power I've alwaystold him I said the most
powerful golf club is not inyour bag, it's your mind, and
you can beat most people in lifewith your mind, how you show up
.
And he finally just had thisthought of like dad, I can't
(04:24):
control where the ball goes.
I think I can, but what I cancontrol is am I committed, is it
the right club, do I feelconfident about this stuff?
And then I do my best.
And then once it's, once I hitthe ball, I can't control
anything out.
And it was like, oh my God,I've said that to you 10 times,
dude but like once he got itinstead of me saying, hey, dip
shit, I told it.
I said I said, dude, I'm so gladyou said that's, that's so
(04:46):
powerful.
So I made it like it was himhis idea.
No, I didn't wasn'tmanipulating, but I was just
like reminding him, like let'scelebrate your growth right
there and I'm just I'm gratefulfor those moments in life when
they happen, um, because maybeit says all the work that we've
done up into that, it's likestarting to click, yeah, but it
was a really really cool momentto see him experience that.
So I was really grateful forthat this week I love that.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
No, it's funny.
Like in my daughter being five,like and this is my first and
our only I got snipped and I'mlike we're done and uh, um, you
know, she, she's now just cameonline and I'm realizing all of
the lessons and things thatwe've been talking about.
I'm like like, oh, she doesn'tremember any of that.
We've got to start over or keepgoing and such.
(05:28):
So it's funny, just like whereit starts, where it picks up,
where it falls off and comesback around 100%.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well, bring me inside the gloss huddle.
You're the quarterback, I'mguessing your wife's the general
manager of most good marriages.
So talk about how you and yourwife met and then talk a little
bit about your daughter and whatshe's into.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, so yeah, it's the three of us in the core we
have.
Like, my sister lives about 10minutes down the road.
My parents are another 20minutes down the road.
Emma, emma, she grew up in anocean Grove, asbury park area,
new Jersey.
Uh, really close like uh crewof friends and she's still
friends with it I feel gratefulto be a part of.
So we actually all got marriedand had kids around the same
(06:15):
time, so we had very much avillage mentality when we're
raising our, our, our kidstogether.
So the huddles and just thethree of us, um, but, uh, but
yeah.
So my wife and I met I wasactually I was engaged once
before and I had.
Before I got engaged, I had, wehad my, my ex and I.
We had split up for a bit and Ijumped on OkCupid just for some
(06:36):
ego stroking in between thebreakup and getting back
together.
Then Emma reached out to me.
On there we were on, we were,she was my 99% match, if you
remember okay, cuba back in theday, or, if you're, if you're
you're, you have a high schoolsweetheart, so probably not.
So basically it's, it's an,it's an algorithm, uh, that like
you answer certain questionsand you set to get matched based
(06:58):
off of your responses and it'slike a fun way to kind of
connect, not just swipe right orleft.
It's like a fun way to kind ofconnect, not just swipe right or
left, and it uses some datascience, which is super
appealing to my wife and I,who's a psychologist and I'm
super, super data nerd and we,we, we connected and she reached
out to me but, like I, she didit three times, by the way.
So this is like kind of a funnystory.
Like I didn't reach back outand she did it three times.
(07:20):
And the last message she's likelisten, bud, I don't do this
that often, like I don't reallydo this, but there's something
about you that I want to connectwith.
I was getting back with my exand I said like hey, I'm sorry,
I just really forward.
I was like, sorry, whathappened?
I just not going to be rightnow, but thank you so much, I
appreciate it.
Blah, blah, blah Instead ofghosting which you know, I think
(07:47):
became a norm I, long storyshort, I get engaged, I call it
off.
And then I reached back out toEmma and she was getting her
dissertation and she was doingit on a couple's therapy, like
mindfulness based practices inrelationships, and she's like
listen, you're probably a messright now.
I don't actually want to getinvolved, but I have no problem
like interviewing you andfinding out what it was like for
you.
And we ended up having theselike super involved, really deep
(08:09):
conversations, like I rememberlike the feeling that I had
during it was like um, uh, likeback in like eighth grade when
you still had a cord phone andtalking to somebody for the
first time and you talk forhours and just like's easy and
whatnot.
Um, and then we just starteddating.
It was too good to be true.
I slow rolled it because I waslike this has got more than this
(08:30):
can't be just a rebound, um,but it it was good.
We were like the right matchand there was so much that I had
learned from that oldrelationship that I knew I
needed in my partner and who Iwas going to raise a family with
.
That like made it very clearwhat I was standing for, what I
wasn't.
Emma just sort of came up intoall that.
So, um, and then we have Shayyeah, we had Shay add to the mix
(08:53):
and, um, she is a ball of joy,a perfect combination of the two
of us.
Um, you know, again, she's five.
So she's like super artsy.
And you know, um, you know sheloves working out with dads.
She's like, dad, let's do it,let's do a youtube workout.
I'm like, all right, cool, shejust wants me to carry her when
I'm doing squats and like andstuff, which I'm like I'm fine
(09:15):
with um, but yeah, it's kind oflike our, our world right now.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
That's so cool well, um, a couple things there that
made you really home.
I one, I love that yourdaughter already sees the dad
works out.
Yeah, um, I was a collegeathlete.
Um, I was a college athletethat then stopped because I was
just like you know, I was justnot let me burn out from like
just intense working out, andthen I just went like, didn't do
(09:39):
anything, which was not theright answer, and all of a
sudden I'm like good god, I'mturning the job of the hut, I
can't be doing this and and thenthat then fitness became part
of our, our journey.
When our kids were young, we putthem in the stroller, a little
jogging stroller, and we'd takea princess or a car or football
we'd like.
So all they knew is and then wegot into crossfit and then
(09:59):
stopped doing that and so nowthey just see mom and dad,
whether it's taking a walk witha weighted vest on um, doing
push-ups, doing something, andit's so cool to see that, um,
when your kids see it, that'show they adopt it.
Yeah, you know.
So that means she'll be, she'llprobably get to exercise, you
know.
And and I always tell people,like, find me a day where you
(10:21):
work out and you say, man, Iwish I didn't work out today.
You know, you always want toexercise.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, well, I, I love you.
You share that man.
Like you know, I have thatthought.
Like I remember my mom, likedoing Jane Fonda.
I remember my mom, like youknow, running on the treadmill.
I can still hear the kunk, kunk, kunk, kunk while I'm playing.
(10:48):
You know, nhl, uh 93, and likethe deke, did you have the deke?
yeah, the blood on the ice, allof it oh yeah it was the, it was
the best, um, but I like I, asI've gotten older and the work
that I do is all about you know,behavior change and the
psychology of group dynamics andunderstanding, like, what your
strengths are and what yourinfluences are and how things,
when you're like seven, likeanchor your core values and I'm
(11:10):
like the fact that I have that,I'm like, oh, I see her leaning
into it.
It makes me excited to be likewhat are we modeling Right?
What are we showing up as so?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
that's awesome.
I got to ask I see so people onat home listening to you can't
see it.
But I get to see Dave.
I see a guitar in thebackground.
Do we jam a little bit, man?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
know if you grew up like kind of in that, in that
crew where, like everybody had aband and then the best players
of that band created a band andthen the best players of that
band, those bands, created bandsand then finally, like the best
players actually got a recorddeal and and made it out.
Um, like that, the crew thatmade it out were like my friends
, but I never I wasn't in theband, I was sort of like the
roadie along the way.
Um, but uh, yeah, music's a bigpart of my life.
My whole family are musicians.
(12:05):
My mom plays piano in the uke.
My brother, my brother-in-law,is a phenomenal drummer.
He's like a super high networth, uh, financial advisor and
and he like plays in like adead cover band like every other
weekend.
And he's got this other coverband he does, called Uncovered,
which you should totally checkout.
(12:25):
It's awesome, uncovered.
Uncovered it's a B-sides band.
So, like every artist you know,but songs you don't.
And yeah, we're always jamming.
We actually, once a year Ithrow a guy's trip together,
which Greg has been on, where werent an Airbnb in the Pocono
Mountains.
It's on the water, has a hottub, usually trying to get a
(12:49):
sauna in there too and we moveall the furniture out of the way
.
We set up a drum kit, bass,electric keys, pa, everything,
and then we just jam all weekend, we cook and hang.
It's the best, absolute, thebest, absolute best wow.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
So I'm self-taught guitar player.
I think with a few drinks I'mbetter than I think.
Yeah, yeah, but I can playself-taught.
I can play four or five chords,which is like shit.
Tons of songs.
So, like this weekend, um,we're going to eastern
washington to hang out with ourfamily and then my son's
girlfriend's family is going tobe over there, and last summer I
(13:30):
brought my guitar and it'salways fun when you play guitar
and for the, the people thatdon't play, they think I'm
pretty pretty good, but thepeople who are really guitar
player, like dude, this guysucks, but I just I'm good
enough to play where and I likesinging, where you can play.
You know, you read like theguitar tab, you can kind of like
, like you can play likemajority of the songs, and so,
(13:51):
um, I that'll be this weekendfor us, and so I love, I love
doing it.
I just don't do it enough, butwhen I do it I go in like these
like hour binge guitar sessions.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
So here are my favorites.
You should take man credence.
Bad moon rising is an easy,easy one.
It's like I think it's d, a, gor cg or something like that.
Um got that.
Uh, you got uh, if you want tothrow a sleeper in there, four
non-blondes um uh, if youremember them yeah, it is a
crowd pleaser.
You'll have to learn a b minor,but that's it.
(14:28):
Like it's a.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
It's a fun one well, there's a lot of country too.
That um, um, a lot of countryis uh, uh, you can play a lot of
those songs too, which isobviously super, super fun.
Um, yeah, uh, but it's, it'sfunny, my kid, my daughter, my,
my wife is actually a reallygood singer, but she doesn't
play.
Um, doesn't play, doesn't singa lot, but like I always get
(14:53):
like honey sing, let the letthem roar girl Um okay.
Well, let's um.
I always like transitioning nowto to learn about um.
I want to learn about Dave.
What.
What for you like?
What was life growing up?
Talk about that journey andtalk about the impact that mom
(15:14):
and dad had on you from a valuesperspective that is going to be
important for Shea, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So just my sister and I, you know, pretty like normal
.
You know upper middle class.
You know neighborhood.
My parents were definitely grewup from a blue collar
neighborhood.
They're the first to get out.
You know my dad, you know, wasa lawyer.
My mom was a legal secretary.
That's how they met and youknow they always talked about,
(15:39):
you know, the importance ofdoing your thing.
They were career entrepreneurs,you know.
They started their own law firmand then they jumped into like
casinos, you know, at one point.
And then they started a globalnonprofit that did healthcare
relief and built hospitals allthroughout Ukraine, which are
all unfortunately, destroyedright now.
Like you know, they set a bar oflike you want to do something,
(16:02):
go do something, right.
And you know I really I lovethat.
And there's some, like you know.
You know the shadow side, thedark side of that too, a lot of
what was driven for them.
I love them to death high,achieving well-meaning, but also
there was a deep for both ofthem, a deep sense of insecurity
or needing value from otherpeople.
That drove them.
(16:22):
That, like I noticed growing up, my sister and I who she's also
an executive coach, like wesomehow came to this work
together.
Separate paths, but you know,noticing like you can achieve
all this stuff, but, like, ifyou aren't personally fulfilled,
if you aren't personally about,like, have clarity about what
matters to you and what joy is,and you know, and how does your
(16:46):
joy and value not be contingentupon you know, the external, so
those are lessons that I learned, sort of as like the, the
converse of what they, what theyshared, um, you know, but it
was all about, like, you know,challenging yourself, pushing
yourself, and you know they weresuper trusting of us.
Uh, if we did well, we had a lotof freedom.
I had a little bit too muchfreedom, ended up going to
(17:09):
military school with Greg Offner, and you know, but that also
then gave me some core grounding.
It was the trust that I canfigure it out, you know, and you
know, put me in an environment.
I'll learn it, I'll understandit.
And Valley Forge, um, andValley Forge like obviously
instilled a ton.
So I was 14 when I went there.
(17:30):
Uh, you know, and it's all about, you know, honor, integrity, uh
, you know, being really honestwith yourself and not just with
others, but about you know, whatyou're capable of and what you
need to do and the disciplineassociated with that.
You know I wasn't the beststudent but you know I figured
(17:52):
it out.
I went from like D's tovaledictorian when I figured out
like I had ADHD and like how doyou manage that?
Not just with medication butother things, and I think a lot
of that, as it relates to Shea,is just you know, you know, know
thyself, be, really invest inyourself.
Like I think there's a lot of,wherever you fall on the
spectrum, related to gentleparenting or whatnot, but there
(18:15):
is something about you know,especially with girls and I'm
really present to this like howmuch the outside world
influences their sense of selfand um, and value and whatnot.
So, just like it took me, it'sbeen hard like to kind of rewire
my brain to be like you knowhow my parents would say like
you look handsome or you lookpretty.
To my sister to be like, oh,you look pretty.
(18:36):
I'm like what am I reinforcingwith that?
Am I trying to do that or not?
Um, she'll be like daddy, do Ilook pretty in this dress?
And I'm like well, how does itmake you feel Right?
What do you like about it?
Like just learning to likeaugment a little bit.
So, again, a lot of good stuffand a lot of you know how do we
do better as parents?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
So when you, as you reflect back on when mom and dad
said, hey, oh, davey, we'regoing to, we're going, we're
going to military school,brother, like, talk me through
that journey.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, um, so my sister was the most popular girl
in school.
She's four years older than me.
She graduated and went intocollege when I went in as a
freshman and I was the littlebrother of, like, the girl who
was the most popular.
So like I ended up hanging outwith all these kids that
probably shouldn't have beenhanging out with yet.
Um, you know, it was fun, itwas good attention and whatnot.
(19:29):
But like, just like smokingweed and doing dumb shit, like I
was never, you know, amalicious person, just very
mischievous, just getting intoshit.
And at one point I this is sucha dumb thing as I reflect on it
it's so funny.
But like I forged my reportcard because I got a bunch of
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D's and stuff and turned D's toB's.
But I went over a carbon copywith a felt tip marker, like,
and told my parents like theprinter smudged and my dad was
like, calls the school and theand he and he goes to the.
He calls the school and um, hesays like hey, I think my son
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forged his report card.
Tell me his grades and theschool tell him uh, that tells
him.
Uh, we can't tell you.
We know who you are.
He's like how about I tell youwhat I got?
You tell me what you got andthen we'll see if it matches up.
And uh, at that exact moment Iwas was actually walking out
heading to a wrestlingtournament and I got a call into
my Spanish class that I hadleft.
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And I hear down the hall, asI'm like halfway down the hall,
they're like senor, you have acall and I'm like okay, and I
come back and I hear my dad sayhe's like you know what you did.
And at that point I had done alot of stuff and I didn't know
what I did the cop to.
And you know, we go through it.
And it was in this moment, thislike the next hour, where they
(20:55):
come pick me up.
My grandparents were flying infrom Florida and we're driving
and it's just silence and justletting it settle in, like I
just lied to my family, like Ijust lied to my family, like it
might've been silly or stupid,but like I really like I made a
choice and it like was such asilly thing out of fear, and it
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was just like this moment.
And because we were picking upmy grandparents, my dad didn't
lay into me like he wouldnormally because, like you know,
we had people that were goingto be there and he wouldn't want
to show up and it was just likehaving that space to just sit
in.
That discomfort was like okay.
And you know, we had a friendwhose kid went to Valley Forge
and they're like what do youthink about this?
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I'm like I think it's probablya good idea.
We should go do it and ended upbeing like the best thing ever.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
That's powerful, how um, I don't know if you've.
Oh so, I've shared this storybefore.
Like when I lied to my mom whenI was 11 and uh, when I was
first time I got into uh,overhand baseball pitch and uh,
I lied to my mom and my dad andthe the pitch, I was like I got
(22:04):
put on this team because Ithought I was gonna be a good
player for him.
And I get there and like, andthe pitchers throwing like a
thousand miles an hour and itwas going every which direction.
I'm like I'm gonna die.
There's a good chance I'm dyingright now, yeah, which is not
true.
But I remember like, uh, I thefirst about I got there.
Somehow I got a walk.
I didn't get hit.
I was like thank god I got tofirst base.
(22:25):
I'm like there's not a chancein shit, I'm going back out
there.
So I was like, uh, stomach ache, oh yeah.
No my stomach's, I can't, Ican't, which is a total cop out
way to do it.
And I remember I get in the carafterwards and my mom was like
hey, how's your stomach feeling,mom?
Huh, oh, oh, yeah, it's, it'sfeeling better.
Yeah, thanks, mom.
And they get home and they knewI was full of shit and they go
(22:49):
hey, be honest, did your stomachhurt?
He's like well, no, I justdidn't want to face that guy
Cause I was scared of him.
He's like okay, so here'swhat's going to happen You're
going to call your coach rightnow and tell him what you did,
or or we're going to call him,which is not going to happen, so
you're going to call him.
So I literally had to call mycoach as an 11 year old.
(23:09):
Tell him the truth, own it.
He goes man Casey, I'm sodisappointed in you, but I'm
also proud of you that you madethe phone call.
Let me know, um, to make thisgo away.
You're going to tell the teamwhat you told me on Tuesday
night of practice 11.
Now I'm almost 50, dude, Istill remember this like as
yesterday.
And I remember telling my teamthey're like what?
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And then they all were like hey, you know what, we forgive you
and we move on and, like I, madethat pain go away.
But, like to your point, Ithink humans change, just like
the selling process, and we'reselling something.
If we don't create pain, peopledon't change.
There's not a there's not ainclination, because it has to
be your idea or my idea.
But if someone telling me whatI'm doing wrong or tell me to do
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something differently but Ithink it relates to parenting it
can't be our idea.
So I think that the art I'm abig curiosity guy so, like the
art of asking great questionsand patience and having silence
as your friend, I think aboutthose lessons.
I think your lesson is afantastic one, but, like those
moments, people I don't think.
Which I think I love about thispodcast, which I've learned a
(24:15):
lot about myself, is when wedon't create space to talk about
these types of things, weforget about them, we don't
reflect and then we don't thinkwell, who else could this story
benefit if I was vulnerableenough to share?
Yeah, and usually it draws humanconnection which I think I know
as much as I love ai.
You love ai, but I don't thinkai can create that moment of
connection like work you know,like you connect with, like
(24:38):
whether it's you and shay, maybeeventually you tell that story
when she maybe lies to you andyou're like, flashes you back
and maybe say tell me, would itbe helpful, honey, if I share a
story where daddy lied?
And then she might, because Ithink when we make these
mistakes we feel like we'realone.
No one else on the planet'sdone this except for us.
We're the worst person ever.
It's like slowing down torealize that shit for flawed
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humans is like all of us.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
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Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, there's so many things that we need to share it
.
I think, and like these are alluniversal experiences that we
all go through, like you knowthat we experienced, but, right,
the, the relatedness tosomebody else to have gone
through something, to not tojust feel acknowledged or
whatever, like whoever'slistening who might've had this
deep shame about somethingthey've held in process, like
(26:24):
there's, there's a beauty inthat.
You know it makes me think ofyou know you're saying about
your son and also, again, yourown idea and such the notion of
self-determination theory where,like, intrinsic motivation is
the contingent upon threefactors.
It's, you know, a level of, uh,authority and autonomy.
Right, it was a making thechoice, uh, like choosing to
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lean into something or to dosomething tough or whatever.
Uh, a sense of competence, likeI feel like I'm actually okay
at getting better at this or Ican get through this or I can
try it.
And then relatedness, knowingthat other people have gone that
are also involved as acommunity also in it.
You know it's like if you'retrying to get better as a father
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or get better as a leader or ateam leader or whatever, you
know, if you like, look atyourself and be like hold on
like why am I not sticking withthis plan or this goal or this,
whatever?
It's like there might not bechoice in it, there might not be
other people kind of goingthrough it.
I haven't gone through enoughcycles yet to feel like I've got
some progress Right.
(27:26):
And I love like how, as parents, you can, you can create the
conditions for a few of those,you know for a couple of those,
but like and help them get thereps and connect them with folks
that are going through it.
But I love that yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
so from like you and your sis I don't know if you've
ever talked to her about this,but as you reflect if I kind of
put you on the spot here, davelike go for it what were like
the most specific cult to valuesthat like hit home when they
think of the gloss family, likethese were the non-negotiables
and that were so important toyou that, like you know the
(28:02):
impact of the learning you wentthrough that you're going to
make sure that Shay embraces aswell.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, it's interesting, as I, my sister and
I what would we say?
I think, the importance offamily, like a being with each
other, knowing you have peoplethat you're always going to rely
upon and come back to creatingthe space for that.
So, like, family number one,like maybe that's a cop out in
(28:29):
terms of a value, but in termsof like, you know cultivating it
, investing in it, you knowbeing there for each other
through thick and thin, beingable to have the hard
conversation with each other,right, like, I think that's a
really important piece.
And then you know, I think whatwe both took away and you know,
hit on before it, just thenotion of you know, I think what
(28:50):
we both took away and you know,hit on before it's just the
notion of you know, joy issomething that originates within
you, right, it's not somethingthat is fulfilled or satisfied
by anything external.
Those can be mechanisms to helpyou get there.
But you know, the whole notionof like, do have, be, like if I
do this, I'll have this, thenI'll be happy, right, it's kind
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of the inverse.
It's like be, do have, likestart from a happy, joyous place
, then go do something and thenyou'll have something that you
want or can play with, but your,your joy and your and your
sense of self and value andworth and happiness.
All that.
It's not contingent upon what'soutside.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
It's something you generate inside yeah, and I
think that's that's a reallydeep, deep topic.
Um, that could take us down alot of paths, but in the spirit
of time I won't because I'm notlet my fight my curiosity.
But, uh, I think, like what yousaid earlier about values, um,
like letting your values driveyour life, even like when you're
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the coaching work, like lettingyour values drive your life and
even like when you're thecoaching work you do, letting
the value drive you, like Ithink those are so important and
like I am so crystal clear forme, the values that are most
important to me is be the mosthumble person I can be, be the
most curious person I can be andbe the most vulnerable person I
can be.
And I've yet to see a culturewhen those three things exist.
That it's not joyous, it's notharmonious for a better word,
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it's just it's like it creates asafe space where people can be
our authentic self.
And you know, corny dad joke, Ialways tell my kids I said the
number one reason to be yourselfis because everybody else is
already taken.
You know, it's like you andwe're all here on earth, we all
have a gift or gifts you knowsomething, it's coming up for me
(30:34):
.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
it's making me just kind of be like flipping about.
You know, I, I saw this on atiktok, like not too long ago.
Um, like the most loud,rambunctious, like you know kid
is the safest, happiest kid, um,and it makes me be like, you
know, when I'm I'm seeing my, mydaughter, run around, be crazy
or whatever, and I'm like huh,like I want to shut that down,
(30:58):
but I, honestly, that's a goodreflection of you, you, you feel
safe to be vulnerable.
You're safe to like you.
We've created that environment,so love it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, you're right, you're right, yeah, yeah, when
we are acting, we're having funand think about, think about
kids, like how often we canlearn from them.
Like you rarely see a kid who'snot embarrassed to go up to
another kid and, oh, can I play?
What are you doing?
For, as humans, we're, likescared to go to a networking
event.
We're scared to, like, gointroduce ourselves.
Or and you know, for those thatcan't see or have not met me,
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that I have a belief sign behindme.
Not only it's a little tedlasso theme, but it's a lot of
the work I do when I, when Icoach people, is it's making
sure that people realize, hey,do you believe what you do
matters, it's believe inyourself.
And when you have that, it'slike there's so much um that can
go for the positive um.
It just sometimes we don't slowdown to think about it.
(31:53):
You know, yeah, when you thinkabout an area of your dad game
that maybe is not where you wantit to be, um, I know like for
me it was patience.
I've had to work hard on that.
Um, I think this podcast hashelped me.
Interviewing 300 dads, it'slike I've become a way more
patient person as, and thenusually people are competitive.
Um, they're not patient.
(32:13):
Um, that's, that's my gap I'malways working on.
Maybe for you, dave, tell mewhat's your, your dad game.
That maybe isn't where you wantto be.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, and I don't think it's necessarily the dad
game, I think it's just an.
You know just the nature of,you know living with, with ADHD,
and you know impulsivity andpost control, things like that.
There's like the, the patient'spiece that falls into it.
But last year, last fall, youknow, fortunately we didn't get
the, the fall preschool flu likewe did the year before or the
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multiple of them.
But my daughter did get Lyme'sand it like was totally just set
her off.
It triggered all her, her, hertendencies that we knew about.
Like she's a very particularkid, more fastidious than I am.
She runs past an overturnedcorner on a carpet, she'll
double back and put it right.
Like she's showing some signsof that already.
(33:05):
You know, which makes us justjust noticing you noticing it
could be a personality thing,maybe it's OCD, whatever.
We're not helicoptering around,we're just aware.
But it did exacerbate a lot ofthat stuff what we had found out
, if you're familiar with theresearch on highly sensitive
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people and highly sensitivechildren.
So it's a new personality trait, it's sort of been documented.
You know people that are alittle bit more attuned to
what's happening, high empath,you know there's all these jokes
about, like moms and or peoplewho have too much inputs and
they're like I, just I'moverwhelmed by too much.
Right now I need a break,whether it's the vent fan on the
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stove or the Alexa playing andthe kids screaming, the dog
barking.
But you know, through theprocess we learned that you know
, lyme's exacerbated this stuff.
She calmed down, but it made uskind of go on this hunt of
understanding that she has allthe hallmarks of a highly
sensitive kid my wife highlysensitive person, kid my wife
(34:13):
highly sensitive person and as aperson with ADHD, right, it
requires so much self-regulationnot to add more, right?
So if she's having an issue,she's having a meltdown or a
breakdown or she's beingdisruptive.
When you add more or you addsternness or whatever, it
actually exacerbates thesituation versus giving her an
opportunity or teaching her howto self-regulate her highly,
highly sensitive emotions.
Um, and my, it's been somethingfor me where I've had to, like,
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go through therapy, where I'mlike my instincts are are wrong.
I mean, I felt that as a dad,like I want to comfort or do
something for her.
That actually goes counter towhat she might need in the
moment and that has been kind ofthe hardest thing to deal with.
Yeah, you know where I'm like,let's read it.
(34:57):
What's that?
That speaks to me.
Yeah, you know it's likeredirecting the energy or
whatever.
It's like no less is more andyou know that's been hard and
I'm still going through it,right.
But I think there's some goodbooks out there and whatnot, and
I've had the chance to processand you know, you become a
little bit more aware of likeokay, what is it?
What are the things that I cando?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Or what's my like checklist of stuff.
Well, when you say that, dave,it made me think about like the
heart of the height of covid,when the world shut down and
we're like, oh, what's gonnahappen?
And I, we were those parentswere doing way too much for our
kids and but as I, but but anyperson in life, if you reflect
back on, your biggest learningsis when you failed, when you
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struggled, when you went throughadversity, and sometimes the
hardest least for me is like,and I think golf is such a great
lesson for me and my sonbecause golf will humble the
shit out of you I putquarterback some days.
I didn't mean to throwinterceptions, I wasn't trying
to enter throw interceptions.
My daughter's a basketballplayer, that's what she loves to
do and she's like they'restudents too, but not that.
One thing doesn't define itwhen I think it, well, it's
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life's easy.
But when she's shooting and notgoing in, it's like, oh, you
want to comfort her.
But like, sometimes I'velearned to celebrate the
failures without emotion,without through like
disappointment or too exciting.
I'm just like man, I just andnow I just like celebrate.
I just love watching youcompete, I love watching Try
your best.
I love because I think it wasJoe Montana's dad asked him one
(36:30):
day.
He said what's more important?
Do you want to be your best ordo you want to be the best?
And sometimes it's funny, Ieven asked that to a team I was
coaching this morning in thework I do, and I it was like
probably 10 people on the calland they were younger
salespeople and I asked him thatand like three of them said I
want to be the best, and sevenpeople said I want to be the
best and seven people said Iwant to be the.
I want to be my best.
And I said, for those of yousaid my best, you got the answer
(36:52):
right.
I'm not saying I'm right, butit's one man's opinion.
And I said because the best, wecan't control it.
We don't have control of that,but to two bad days or one or
two bad days equal one bad week.
And so I've had to learn thatsometimes, when my kids do
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struggle, that's an awesomelearning moment, and if I try to
fix it and solve it, I'mactually hurting their growth
because I don't want them to gothrough it.
And so I have had to reallylearn that lesson um over time,
and you know it's hard but it's,it's but shapes us.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it's .
I think it's that, thatunderstanding, that patience,
that bigger perspective, Um, butyou know I come, come up to it
all the time.
Man Like, just coming fromgoing to military school, my dad
was super strict and stern andyou know, sometimes I like I
bring the hammer and I'm like Idon't mean to bring the hammer.
(37:55):
It's just instinctive.
And then other times I'm likelet's talk about your feelings,
let's process it, and I'm likeshe's probably so confused with
who's showing up sometimes.
But I think that's part of thejam.
You know part of our ownjourney as dads.
You know what's the rhythm andit's not just like you know what
type of dad do I need to be.
(38:16):
You know big B, but like whattype of dad do I need to be
right now, in this moment, forwho this person is today?
Sometimes it's helpful torecouch it.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, well, one thing that I always I told my kids
when they were growing up, Isaid the one thing kids, there's
not a manual.
You, unfortunately, are thetest dummies.
I've never been a dad beforeand so I'm doing my best, and so
I going to make mistakes andyou're going to make mistakes,
and so.
But I think the biggest thingis, the more we communicate, the
more we talk about hey, how youknow we're feeling, but being
(38:50):
silent, going to our room, nottalking.
I said now we might need alittle 10 second break, like
take a deep breath and let theair calm in the room, but going
through some of these things andtalking through it is uh, and
if it's consistent, that's.
I think the habits stick and youknow, I can reflect back to
when my kids were shay's age andnow that they're much older,
it's.
It's so fun when you create aspace where they do feel safe to
(39:13):
talk to you.
They do feel safe to open upabout certain things, because
sometimes I mean, no, my mom,dad, no, they did a great job
raising me, but I wasn't thethings I'm talking to my son
about, whereas not what I wastalking to my dad about.
Yeah, and it's really cool tocreate a space where it's like
you're a coach, but you're alsoa friend at times, um where they
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feel safe to open up and talkbecause it's like listen, I got
your back, but I can't help it.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I'm not a mind reader .
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I was a mind reader, I'd be working at the fair
guessing people's weight honey,I don't know what.
So I love, I mean, I think whatyou said is going to speak to
many dads at home, cause that'sthe stuff we're all facing.
Yeah, am I too hard?
Am I not too hard?
Do I fix?
Do I not fix?
Yeah, every day, right, exactlyso I want to learn.
(40:03):
So you talked about.
You said something the verybeginning that really spoke to
me.
You, you went out on your own,so you're doing your own thing
now, and I went out on my own in2020, really kind of on
accident.
I didn't mean to do the workI'm doing now, but I mean, as
corny as it sounds, it's a truecalling.
I truly believe that.
And, um, like, I've not missedone basketball game.
I, I would.
(40:24):
I've been in Vegas twice, I'vebeen in Sacramento, I've been in
Chicago.
Um, I've caddied for my son inmultiple golf tournaments and I,
yesterday, my son he leaves forcollege next Friday, but he
wanted to play golf.
That kind of worked out earlyin the day Cause a buddy went
and I was like I'm making ithappen.
So I called my clients and say,hey, I apologize, but can we,
(40:47):
can we move this to this time?
Can we move this to that time?
You were gracious enough tomove up 30 minutes today so I
could be able to leave on timeto get to eastern Washington,
for my daughter has collegevisits like that is a blessing.
I'm so grateful for that.
So maybe talk about you, thethis journey for you and the
impact this flexibility has onyou as a dad.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah.
So the journey, like I'm a Iguess I consider myself an elder
millennial you know that inbetween gap between Gen X and
such that we grew up like workhard, you get all the rewards,
and that's not necessarily true.
So I still have a lot of thatcarry over of working hard in my
in my twenties I worked for aventure capital fund and, you
(41:24):
know, really leaned in hard.
You know all those guys had onetoo many buttons unbuttoned on
their shirt and had thatBluetooth thing in and chest
hair popping.
That's who I thought I wantedto be and like you grind hard,
you take calls at the dinnertable and you know that was sort
of like the culture that Ithrew up that mattered and you
know it ended up actually, youknow, causing some health issues
(41:45):
.
You know stress reallymanifests itself really in my
body, physically, before it'sever intellectually unconscious
of it and whatnot, and you know.
So the journey started in mylate 20s where you know I
started to really take on stressmanagement, mindfulness, those
types of things, and it's been ajourney around boundary setting
because it's got to start withyourself what matters.
(42:06):
But I would still work foranother couple of startups that
we took to acquisitions, you gota lot of stress and investor
pressure and all that stuff andit takes all of you to build
those things.
But I had a moment where I waslike all right and this is even
before I went independent Like Iwas able to create this balance
where, you know, I just satdown and my wife and I, you know
(42:28):
what are, what are the thingsthat matter, what do we want to
create in our life?
And you know where does balancefit in and what does that mean
and how does that look for usand our family?
Before we even had our daughter, we like anchored to it before,
knowing it would take time towork in, and I think it's been
beautiful, like the words that Ihave kind of anchored to is
being a present husband andfather.
(42:48):
That's then evolved to being apresent husband and father with
my family, because I can bethere physically but if I'm not
there mentally, it's a differentthing.
But I always let my teams and myclients know like I'm done at
five.
I will take an emergency fromhere or there, but I'm like
signaling like it is notsomething that we take on and I
was able to shape that for sixyears in my last company and you
(43:11):
know, and organize my lifearound it and it's given such
joy.
And now independent, like I'vedone that even further, like I'm
done at five, but I'm notreally working too much on
Mondays and Fridays.
Right, I don't let my calendarlink to be scheduled on Mondays
and Fridays.
You know that means Tuesdaythrough Thursday is tough, but
you know that means I've set upthe conditions to take my
(43:34):
daughter to basketball everyweek.
My wife sees clients betweenseven and nine and five and
seven she a psychologist and youknow I wake, shay up, I get her
ready for school, I take her toschool, you know, I put her, I
do dinner and I put her to bed,um, you know.
And then during those off days,like we just play, we explore,
we go to the creek around ourhouse, we take extended trips,
(43:55):
like it's been such a blessing,um, um, you know, but it, it.
It took 20 years to figure outhow to put that shit into
practice or unlearn the, thebehaviors.
So it's like, you know, in it,in it it's boundary setting in
every other part of your lifeand being comfortable with it
and not knowing like you'regoing to lose your job.
And if you do lose your job.
(44:15):
That's not the fucking place tobe Right Like you know it takes
a real commitment to it.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
if that's how you want to organize your life
around, how, if you had to likethink through, like you know,
maybe, a specific way?
How do you feel like being morepresent has helped you as a dad
?
Speaker 1 (44:36):
You know, I think it's about taking it in, Like
you always see those, like Ithink I've heard you mentioned
another podcast like the 1440 orwhatever it is, or the how many
weeks you have in your lifechart.
You've seen those.
You know like in half of thattime you're sleeping and the
other half you're shitting, andlike you know, like it's just
like how do you, just beingaware of time and you know aware
(45:00):
of the passage of time and howthat accelerates, and just like
conscious of it, knowing that isa true thing, you know, makes
me like do little snapshotmoments where you know I
remember when my daughter's roomwas a mess and I ran into it
and I was just like rawr in myhead and then I'm like this
won't be like this forever and Itook a snapshot in my head and
(45:23):
just like this beautiful moment,and I come back to that thought
every few months just tore-anchor what it was like to
have her as a baby, right, and acouple other of those on the
camping trips and whatnot, whereit's just like you know it
allows you to flip moments.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
You know, I don't know.
It's awesome man, it's this.
I think, like every, everyconversation I get from a dad,
it's free therapy for me.
So, apologize, I should invoice, I should.
You should send me an invoicefor therapy to give me.
But it's like just havingconversations.
It further reminds me of what'simportant.
And when I'm mess, when I'm mybest version of myself, I'm
(46:03):
really, really, really present.
And I remember I've shared thisstory before but I remember when
my kids were like three and one, whatever, I was leaving at six
in the morning, leaving at sixat night and getting home only
15 minutes of bedtime andmiserable.
Now I was making my companytons of money and life was great
for me, but I was not.
(46:23):
I was happy at work but nothappy at home because I wasn't
present.
And then, once I learned toleave at four, cause my boss,
angela Ronica, she said leave atfour, I go.
It's not a bank, I can't leavefirst, like, why can't you?
You don't trust us.
And it was such a good punch inthe face of like, no, I do.
And so I learned to delegatemore.
I learned to realize thatthere's more people to the team
(46:44):
that can be successful, and fromfive to seven.
That was my exact what you said.
That was my time Bedtime, bathtime, feeding, present, because
no one's that important when Iwas at my company for 20 years
when I left, they didn't go outof business.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah, they also didn't think about you after you
left A hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
When you dial yeah, a thousand percent, dude, you're
dead on, and when you dial 911,my phone doesn't ring, so I'm
not as important as I think orever thought, and so it's like,
again it goes back to thehumility which you know.
Again, these conversations giveme that, that piece.
But if you were before we gointo some fun lightning round,
if you were to like summarizekind of things that we've talked
(47:23):
about in the 45 minutes which Ican't believe how fast this has
gone that maybe throughreflection or through how you
and you and you guys, you andyour wife will, you know, create
values for Shay, or how otherdads at home can learn from what
we've talked about, maybe inlike two or three actionable
things that dads can take fromour conversation to be maybe the
ultimate leader of their home.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Tell me what comes to mind yeah, I think you know
maybe not from our conversation,but I think the actionable
piece, which maybe it doesfilter in, it's like what is joy
for you, right?
It's sort of like put your yourmask on first type of thing and
and how does that then inform?
How do you then create yourlife around you that informs
that?
So, like that, like that makesit a little bit easier and like,
(48:06):
again, that changes all thetime.
So, like a practice my wife andI do is, every year, like we,
around new year's, we sit downand anchor like what do we learn
, what we want to do differentlythis next year, and just keep
reflecting and refining it allthe time and and being like all
right, less of this, more ofthis.
I think tim ferris has got likethe 80 20 he talks about, where
(48:27):
you really do a hard inventoryof like what gave you energy,
what drained it, what made youmore money or more whatever, and
what like didn't, and you justfocus on the things that did and
, um, I think that's been reallyhelpful as, like a father, you
know, getting clear on like okay, this year is about adventure
and like we have planned it outRight.
(48:47):
And you know the whole notion oflike what gets planned happens.
So it's like, if you're hopingfor it to happen, like don't
like block a weekend book, thatAirbnb or whatever, like you
have to to make it happen.
And then I think the otherpieces again, what it takes to
sort of maintain the presenceI'm a big practitioner of breath
work and mindfulness and likehow do you invest in those
(49:10):
things for yourself, you know,and and how that, like as a
family, do you talk aboutlearning to self-regulate,
learning to, you know, be clearabout what matters, learning how
to communicate clearly anddirectly?
Like, um, yeah, not a goodsummary, but hopefully, no, that
was fantastic actually I Ican't wait to new year's to do
(49:31):
that with my family.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
That's a great exercise.
Um, I'm sure people are goingto want to learn about you.
Um, how you showed up, how Imean you have a calming voice,
your presence is.
You make people.
I could see why people want tobe around you.
Like if people want to learnmore about you and the work you
do, tell me what's the best waypeople can find you.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, go to LinkedIn.
Just find me on LinkedIn.
You know, dave Gloss, wilsonHall.
You know it's the easiest wayto look at it.
Based out of Philadelphia, Imean, go to wilsonhallcom.
I'm not too big on social.
I played around with Tik TOK, Igot a couple of things on there
, but don't follow, I don't makea lot, um, but you know,
connecting with me on LinkedIn,most of my work right now is
around teams.
How do you create a sense ofmeeting, meaning and build in a
(50:13):
practice of teaming thatconstantly reinforce our
effectiveness, our purpose, our,you know, our.
I call it what I do corporatesocial work.
It's like leadership.
Teams need to understand how tobuild trust and connect and
shape vision and bring peoplealong.
That's all that I do.
I take people out on on mountaintreks or or your own boardroom
and I do a lot of one-to-onework with, with CEOs and such.
(50:37):
I've been doing a lot ofsuccession stuff, so I'm
actually doing a researchproject.
Right now.
I'm at what we call life afterleadership, so I'm helping do a
lot with the next leaders thatare taking over the CFO or the
CEO seat, but then those leaderswho are retiring.
There's not a lot out there.
So, if you're between 55 and 75and you're interested in
sharing your story, I'm doing aresearch project now that I'd
(50:58):
love to to hear from you andlearn what your journey is like,
what you're scared of, whatyou're excited about and what
resources you're turning to.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Oh, I love that.
Please, if you're I know that'sgoing to speak to a lot of dads
on that one.
That's research that is goingto impact a lot of people and I
so grateful you shared that, sowe'll make sure that your
website's linked in the shownotes so people can connect with
you.
Dave, it's now time to go intowhat's called the lightning
round, which I go random on you.
(51:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
I prepared based off of like a few other ones, so
hopefully I got answers that'llfit if you're going to go rogue
on me.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Well, your challenge is to answer these questions as
quickly as you can.
My challenge is to make it geta giggle out of you, and I'm
going to show the hits.
The effects have taken too manyhits in college not bong hits,
but football hits.
All right, let's do it okay.
True or false, the kraken willbeat the flyers in seven to win
the first family cup absolutelynot false.
Uh, take that back this year,maybe okay what, tell me what is
(51:58):
the one song you can play thatwould surprise uh people that
don't know you uh metallica's umuh fade to black okay, if I
came to your house for dinnertonight, what would we have?
Speaker 1 (52:13):
uh, most likely a blue apron there you go easy.
Favorite comedy movie of alltime is Favorite comedy movie of
all time is Spaceballs as aneasy go-to.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Call him the desert.
Yeah, tell me the last book youread.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
The last book I read was the Creative Act by Rickick
rubin, the music producer.
He's got like a whole likemindfulness book around um
understanding creativity andwhat it means, the discipline
behind it, and creativity notjust like arts but like business
and whatever like.
How do you cultivate it?
Speaker 2 (52:53):
love it.
Um, if there was to be a bookwritten about your life, tell me
the title uh, the subtle art ofbeing a vegging wizard, that is
fantastic.
I like that's got a ring to itnow.
Yeah, believe it or not, thisbook.
Amazon can't print enoughcopies because the order is just
flying in burns.
Noble, lost all copies.
Every airport sold out becauseeveryone wants to read this book
(53:14):
.
You are now, um, netflix hasreached out to you.
They're going to make a movieabout this book.
You're the casting director.
Um, I need to know who're goingto make a movie about this book
.
You're the casting director.
I need to know who's going to.
Which Hollywood actor is goingto star you in this critically
acclaimed, hit new movie Zach?
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Galifianakis Fantastic choice.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Fantastic choice.
Okay, and then the lastquestion.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
I always love asking dads tell me two words that
would describe your wifeIrrefutable and cherished.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Those words had never been used.
And that's a fucking mic drop,baby, I love those.
Well done.
Uh, lightning round's over.
We both giggle a little bit.
Uh, I think I giggled more.
Um, so you're gonna give youthe dub, but, um, greg offner.
Thank you for connecting me anddave.
This is not gonna be the lasttime we speak, man, I I am
intrigued by your work.
I will learn more about it and,um, I think there's a lot of
(54:05):
people I'd love to connect youwith and I think I love
connecting others because itfills my tank.
I don't keep score, but it'sthe power of what I call
boomerang mindset the more weserve others, the boomerang will
keep coming back to you.
It's been an honor speaking withyou.
I've learned a ton.
I got a page full of notes.
(54:26):
I hope everybody at home doestoo.
Please reach out to Dave ifyou've been intrigued by what
he's talked about and shared,and I think a lot of the work he
does with leaders is going tobe impactful, because the
leaders and the companies thatspend time working on culture
and slow down to realize theimportance of this helps people
be their authentic self.
It's a sense of people can canlet their true gifts shine and
their values will come to lifetoo.
So, man, I'm grateful for you,I appreciate your time and um
(54:47):
hope to have a chance to meetyou in the in the future.
Man, thank you again.
Likewise, brother.
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