November 14, 2023 • 49 mins
Get ready for a journey into the life of Morgxn Thicke, a queer, femnasty individual with Butch Queen tendencies who's making waves the gay porn industry. Morgxn's real, raw, and riveting insights about life behind the scenes and beyond the spotlight will transform your understanding of this industry. From their queer persona to the highs and lows of their private life, Morgxn's authenticity will leave you captivated.
Your gonna love Morgxn's insights on open communication in intimate relationships and its undeniable influence in the adult entertainment industry. Morgxn takes us through their adventures since breaking into the industry in 2019, revealing their experiences with initiating critical sex work conversations, and the tightrope walk between embracing new experiences and confidently upholding their own boundaries. We journey further into the world of sexual intimacy and gender confidence, exploring Morgxn's approach to creating chemistry and passion in their work.
Something I really appreciate about this conversation with Morgxn is how they underscore the significance of self-love, and pursuing what genuinely ignites joy. We round out our discussion by celebrating Morgxn's contribution to the industry and their impact in fostering a safe haven for sexual exploration. Prepare to have your perspective broadened and your understanding deepened in this enlightening episode.
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Coach Alex Ray (00:00):
Hello, my unicorns.
Welcome back to another specialguest episode Today.
I am so excited to introduceyou to a queer, femnasty human
with Butch Queen tendencieswho's quickly making a name for
themselves in the porn industry.
I've got Morgxn Thicke on thepodcast today, welcome.
Morgxn Thicke (00:21):
Thank you so much Hi.
Coach Alex Ray (00:25):
Thanks for being here today.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Of course, you know, before welike jump into all the questions
having to do with your work inthe porn industry, I really want
to get to know a little bitmore about who you are as a
human outside of porn.
Am I a human?
Morgxn Thicke (00:44):
Okay, yeah, that sounds good.
Coach Alex Ray (00:50):
Tell us a little bit about you, who you are.
What do you like to do, likeyour interests, I mean?
Morgxn Thicke (00:56):
I'm.
I think I'm boring outside ofporn.
Like people, I think, assumethat I'm out here having sex
with a lot of different peopleall the time.
But honestly, I'm just kind ofcomfy in my PJs or relaxing on
the beach, that's it.
Coach Alex Ray (01:20):
I love how you know that we can all have these
kind of public personas.
I mean, anyone can, with socialmedia, just put out this kind
of show of how we want the worldto perceive us.
And yeah, I'm similar in that,like I'm very I'm a pretty like
stay at home and chill, which islike my good close friends.
(01:42):
But the version that people seeonline is very different, very
outgoing.
Morgxn Thicke (01:50):
Yeah, and the industry kind of like forces you
to be social in that like youwant to engage and you want to
kind of network and be seen inorder to kind of build your
brand.
But very much so.
I need like that relaxed timewhere I'm kind of like watching
(02:13):
below deck for four hours and Ihave my bowl of ice cream and my
dog in my lap.
That's about it.
Coach Alex Ray (02:23):
I love it.
Okay, I'm also like reallycurious when.
Like what has your experiencebeen like meeting and making
friends now that you're morewell known online?
Morgxn Thicke (02:42):
Um, that's a really good question.
So I guess there's a differencebetween like meeting and making
friends and making associationslike within the like sex work
bubble.
Like originally, when I firstgot into like the sex work
(03:04):
industry in my true likeMidwestern Nebraska mindset, I
was like I'm going to be friendswith everybody, everyone's
going to be my friend, I'm goingto be so nice to everybody and
I'm just going to all be likebesties.
Yeah, after a few years likeI've come to kind of understand,
(03:26):
like in order to protectpeople's like mental state or
themselves in general, likethere is that like divide where
you kind of have to build abarrier like okay, you are a
work friend or a work situation,and then maybe along the lines
(03:47):
you might like build a littlebit more.
But in general it's kind ofweird making friends because
people put on such a pedestaland I just think of myself as
like Midwestern boy who used toshut corn for his job.
(04:10):
Yeah, it was like very kind oflike I bag like women's
groceries and carry them out totheir cars.
Just I don't know what thislife is.
Coach Alex Ray (04:21):
This life of a star a rising star.
I mean, I love that, the real,how real you are to like.
This is always a fun thingabout getting to know people
when they're not on stage, likeon stage anymore.
(04:44):
It's just such a beautifulreminder that we are all just
fucking humans.
Morgxn Thicke (04:50):
Yeah, I'm just trying to pay my bills.
Coach Alex Ray (04:52):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Okay, I also would love to knowdo you have any ways that kind
of help you differentiatebetween when you are Morgxn
Thicke and when you are off likeoffstage chilling at home?
(05:13):
You?
Morgxn Thicke (05:15):
Um, differentiate just shutting my front door?
No, I'm, I think I know likegoing into certain scenarios
like okay, this is a this is aMorgxn Thicke scenario.
Like I need to get rid of bullbecause I'm going to be like
(05:37):
interacting with a lot of peopleand I need to be there for a
given amount of time in order tolike kind of make my rounds or
whatever.
It has been kind of interestingin respect to like me just
(05:57):
socially going out to maybe likean event or a bar, or going out
to a restaurant with friends oror just even maybe to the beach
and planning to be like casualand this is not a Morgxn Thicke
thing Like we're just relaxing,we're having fun, we're going to
kiki and then we're going tolike I don't know, let loose,
(06:19):
yeah, and being approached bypeople and it kind of turning
into like oh the Morgxn Thickeshow, like oh, can we take a
picture?
And where I really appreciatelike that kind of response from
people and I welcome it, like Iwant people to feel like they
can come up to me and say helloor whatever it does, kind of
(06:42):
like I can tell, like it's alittle annoying for like friends
and family and everything.
Coach Alex Ray (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, it's probably me.
Morgxn Thicke (06:51):
I'm kind of like this is just part of the thing,
like this is, this is what Iagreed to be a part of.
Yeah, yeah.
Coach Alex Ray (07:00):
I love that.
I think a lot of people that I,not a lot of you.
It's not like I've thousands ofcelebrities that have all told
me but that's not the case.
I'm trying to exaggerate alittle bit less, but like I have
heard from others a similarthing or sorry, not a dissimilar
(07:20):
thing, where they're saying youknow, oh, I don't want all
these people giving me all thisattention when I really love
that you're very much like,honest with yourself about that.
Hey, this is part of the gig,this is part of what you signed
up for and it may be, it may bedifficult for others around you,
(07:40):
but have you found any waysthat have kind of worked for you
to like navigate that?
Morgxn Thicke (07:48):
I don't know, like in interactions with people
when they come up to me, it'skind of like I feel so humbled
because often, like people tellme like how much, like how
grateful they are for likeseeing someone like me represent
like within the sex communityor I don't know, it's very
(08:13):
humbling for someone to come upand say like such appreciation
for me doing what I consider tobe like something that I enjoy.
But it definitely, I don't knowI always try to remain like
humble in that, like I said,like I don't think that I'm
anybody special, like I'm nobetter than anyone else and
(08:35):
honestly, like within anyindustry, like there is always
going to be like someone Likecoming up and probably replacing
you within like the nextcertain amount of time, unless
you're like super smart oryou're the only person in the
world that can do whateveryou're doing.
Like there is not I am not theonly person in the world that is
(08:57):
doing any like genderqueer,kind of like reform or anything
like that.
There are way bigger platformsand more substantial like
advocates out there.
I'm just kind of trying to findmy way in the world.
Coach Alex Ray (09:14):
I love it.
You're so like just I don'tknow real honest and relatable.
So I try to be.
I mean, I don't know, I don'tthink you even need to try, it's
just you, naturally.
Yeah, just awkward as fuck.
Well, I'm so glad that you'rehere anyway, even though you
(09:35):
feel awkward, yeah, like this ismy first podcast, though, like
my first official podcast, sowe're going to get through it.
Yeah, I get to take yourpodcast virginity.
I know what an honor.
Don't rip it off.
Right, gentle, gentle, gentle,All right.
So I feel like we've gotten toknow you a little bit more
(09:57):
outside of the industry.
But how did you get into porn?
How did?
Morgxn Thicke (10:01):
yeah, how to get into porn, I guess.
So I got into porn around like2019.
I found myself in a situationwhere I needed to make some
extra income.
My husband wanted to go toschool and in order to allow
(10:23):
that to happen and not like relysolely on like loans and
everything like that, I waslooking for an alternative or
like a secondary employment,yeah, and something that I could
do that would theoreticallymake like a decent income for a
(10:44):
few years.
Yeah, I've always kind of beeninterested in doing sex work in
terms of like studio, and atthat time, like only fans was
kind of starting to become athing, and in my ripe old age of
(11:04):
like 30, I don't even rememberlike 33, maybe I was kind of
adapting to like this mentalityof like, well, sex work is work
and it's valid and if I love sex, then maybe I'll be good at sex
Right and you know, on camera,yeah, like.
(11:27):
So I had already kind of likestarted doing photo shoots and
modeling and I've done like nudephotography and I was kind of
exposed in that sense.
So starting and only fans waskind of pretty easy for me in
that terms or in that manner.
(11:49):
It was interesting navigating,like meeting individuals and
immediately trying to likecreate chemistry, because for me
, like, chemistry is kind ofcrucial in terms of like making
everything work, right, butthat's.
(12:16):
I kind of navigated that just bylike having discussions with
people, either on Instagram ormeeting with them prior to, and
kind of going over like oh, whatgets your juices flowing?
And kind of like where, like,what are your interests?
Like, what are your hotspots orwhat are your nose?
Yeah, like, what do you like inbed that makes you like really
(12:40):
enjoy it?
Yeah, yeah, go from there.
Coach Alex Ray (12:45):
Okay, I feel like we need to like pause and
just sort of notice this evenmore here, because this is
something that every singleperson listening can benefit
tremendously from is learninghow to talk about these things.
Oh, 100%, 100%.
There's like no training, youknow?
(13:06):
No, it's like balancing yourcheckbook.
Right, we all have heard of it,but do we know how to do it?
What's worked well for youaround like?
How do you approach theseconversations?
How would you recommend someonelike start breaching these
topics with a potential partner?
Morgxn Thicke (13:30):
I recommend, like head on, yeah, like just kind
of dive right in, like once youknow like it's going in, or even
if it's not going in, like asexual direction, like it's
always good to be liketransparent regarding like, are
you sexual, are you not sexual?
Like, do you like touch or doyou not like touch?
(13:52):
Like just kind of establishingthat bridge of like where,
mentally, the other person orpersons are regarding like
intimate interaction.
I think it's very crucial inwhatever kind of relationship
(14:14):
that you're engaging in, whetherit be like casual sex or like
an intimate, like long-termrelationship.
Yeah, like it's always, in mymind, good to check in and
recheck in in order to kind oflike just reestablish like what
are we doing and how can we doit the best we can, yeah, yeah,
(14:41):
and does that sound?
I don't want it to sound likeso, like mechanical, but it's
kind of just like.
I just think it's good to startthat conversation like as early
as possible.
Coach Alex Ray (14:51):
Absolutely.
And with that like when youfirst started reaching out to
others or having people reachout to you to kind of
collaborate with only fans, oryou have a few other sites too,
like for my fans and just forfans, okay, so how did that feel
(15:13):
at first?
Morgxn Thicke (15:13):
Were you, like, really nervous to reach these
topics, or Kind of I reallydidn't expect like people to
kind of respond back to me andlike now the way that Twitter's
run.
Like you have to I don't knowlike you have to have a blue
(15:34):
tech mark in order for someoneto like, message you or reach
out to you, but back then, likein the Stone Age, you could just
message whoever who allowed youto, whoever had like their
messages open.
Yeah, so I would basically justlike go through the
Twitterverse of porn and I wouldjust find accounts that kind of
(15:55):
like emulated something that Iconnected with, whether that be
like chemistry, whether that bekink, whether that be them just
being like a beautifulindividual that I thought maybe
like oh, I might have a chance,and I just messaged them and I
was like hey, I'm starting anearly fans.
(16:16):
I know like my Twitter sucksright now and just started and I
think that would be really good.
Bye, I'm 100% okay meeting withyou.
Please go through my Twitterfeed, go through my Instagram
Like if it seems like somethingthat you're interested in, like
let's discuss, and kind of tookit from there.
Coach Alex Ray (16:40):
I love it.
I feel like literally everyonecan learn a lot from this,
whether they're looking to starttheir own OnlyFans or whether
they're just looking to date.
Like you said, it's literallyjust as simple, as I mean simple
, even though it's scary, butit's still simple.
As simple as looking for thingsthat are interesting about the
(17:05):
other person and just commentingon it.
Hey, I noticed this about yourprofile.
I really am interested in thattoo.
Or, hey, I just think you'revery attractive.
I would love to take you outfor dinner or bring you over to
my house to film a scene.
Morgxn Thicke (17:24):
But also I think another part of it is being open
to possibilities maybe that youwouldn't consider.
I feel, like a lot of peopleespecially that I've encountered
within sex work, they're sorigid on maybe the individual
who they will hook up with orthe individual that they're
(17:45):
willing to work with.
And I think for me personally,a lot of the best interactions
that I've had came fromsurprising situations that I
really hadn't expected or Imaybe wouldn't have sought.
After they reached out to me,we just had like chats and I was
(18:11):
like, okay, let's just give ita go and see where it goes, and
it was just kind of fun likeexploring sex.
It doesn't always have to begreat, but I mean, for me
personally, the more interactionyou have with an individual it
gets better.
I mean, yeah, it's not gonna bealways be great the first time,
(18:35):
but I think we're gonna be ableto do that.
But I think with experience itwill get better.
Coach Alex Ray (18:45):
That makes a lot of sense.
I think a lot of us put a lotof pressure onto each
interaction like, oh, it's gotto be great.
Morgxn Thicke (18:55):
And it never happens.
No.
Coach Alex Ray (18:58):
And then it also makes us lock up more and when.
The more anxious we are, theless flexible and like open we
are Physically, but also likementally, we're totally gonna be
more awkward the more stressedout we are about being perfect.
Morgxn Thicke (19:16):
Yeah, and you may miss out on an opportunity.
That could be amazing.
Just be open, just have funwith it.
Coach Alex Ray (19:25):
I don't know, yeah, like don't take it so
seriously, it could be surprised.
Morgxn Thicke (19:30):
I think it's serious to a certain extent
because it is a business, butyeah.
Coach Alex Ray (19:34):
Yes.
Morgxn Thicke (19:35):
I think, allowing yourself to be open to
possibilities and a variety or arange of scenarios, individuals
, it's just something that maybe, like a lot of individuals in
the sex world, don't do.
Coach Alex Ray (19:52):
Yeah, I love that.
All right, here's anotherquestion that I think a lot of
us could really benefit from.
I imagine that you get a lot ofmessages from people fans even
that are like oh my God, I wannahook up with you, who may not
(20:14):
really be, who really may not be, someone that you're like going
to collaborate with in abusiness way, and so, and you're
maybe you're like, hey, I'm notavailable for this.
Yeah, what are yourrecommendations or tips or
insights for how to say no whenyou don't want to have sex with
someone?
Morgxn Thicke (20:37):
For me personally , it's kind of like oh hey, I
appreciate you reaching out,it's probably gonna be a no.
But then again, in thoseresponses I've also, like I was
saying before, a lot ofsituations in situations where I
maybe wouldn't have maybesought after like an individual.
(21:00):
I allowed myself to kind ofinteract with them and yeah,
like meeting up with them, wherethe interaction was much better
than I kind of anticipated,there is like for me, there is
kind of a level of like aboundary that I have to draw,
(21:23):
because a lot of people reachout to me and I feel as though,
like they want to hook up,because they see me as like a
sexual object, and if I get thatfeeling then it's automatically
a no for me, because I don'twant to put myself in a
situation where I'm just anobject.
(21:45):
Yeah, like I want to be seen asa person, yeah, I want to be
like validated as a person and,conversely, like I want to
validate the other person aslike an individual, like a being
, that we are two beings comingtogether.
And if I feel like it's verytransactional because I've had
(22:07):
to like tell people that aredoing like only fans or wanting
to do like an only fans, likecollaboration, like if I feel
like it's very transactional,like no, it's an absolute no.
Coach Alex Ray (22:19):
Yeah.
Morgxn Thicke (22:20):
Yeah.
Coach Alex Ray (22:21):
You know, you just really really kind of
sparked this realization for methat I want to share real quick.
I have had sexual trauma in mypast and been like sexually
abused by friends when I was alittle kid and because of that
(22:44):
it has I've had this kind offramework of looking at like sex
and connection and friendshipsin this very kind of like black
and white way that it was likescary for me even to also like
become more popular onlinebecause I started getting a lot
(23:06):
of sexual attention with thattoo and then feeling like I
don't know what to do with this.
So let me just shut down and Ireally really appreciate the
insight that you're even givingme right now of Brown, like hey,
let's be a little more flexiblehere and know the boundary,
(23:27):
that like I'm okay with actuallybeing sexual with people when
I'm respected as a whole being.
I'm not okay with being treatedsexually when I'm an object,
and then it can just be an easyno yeah.
Morgxn Thicke (23:41):
Yeah, and I mean a lot of people take offense to
it and I respect that.
But if your initial phrase islike, you have a great ass I
don't want to fuck it, then Idon't think so.
Thanks for the note.
Coach Alex Ray (24:00):
Right, yeah, I appreciate that so much.
It's a great insight, yeah.
Morgxn Thicke (24:07):
I'm really sorry to hear about your trauma.
Yeah, it's really unfortunateBecause I mean, you seem like
such a lovely individual.
Coach Alex Ray (24:18):
Thank you, yeah, I appreciate that and I've
worked through a lot of thesethings.
I've been in therapies insecond grade and out over the
years, so I've collectivelyspent more than 10 years in
therapy, approaching 15 years.
We work through these things.
(24:39):
There's no other way butthrough it, but I appreciate
that.
Morgxn Thicke (24:44):
So isn't it so interesting to how, as gay and
queer men, we find the need tosexualize everything?
Oh, my god, yes absolutely as apodcast, just putting yourself
out there, yeah, and people arelike let's do it.
Coach Alex Ray (25:07):
Right?
Well, I also used to be afitness coach and I think I
definitely felt the need to makemy Instagram very thirst-trappy
in order to attract attention.
But I think the way that I didit, my intention behind it,
wasn't like I want people toactually approach me just for
(25:30):
sex.
I wanted people to be like, ok,wait, he's hot, but like and
gay, and I can relate in thatway, but I don't want to fuck
him, I want to be him, I want todo his program or whatever, and
that was more the vibe I wasgoing for.
It worked that way for somepeople.
It didn't work that way forothers.
(25:52):
And then when I evolved intocoaching, still same thing A lot
less of the sexual attention,but it's still there.
I still have to sometimes bepaying attention to when
someone's like hey, I want towork with you.
Great, do you want to work withme just because you want to
(26:14):
spend time with me and you'rehoping that will lead to sex,
like, yeah, because that's not.
Morgxn Thicke (26:20):
The true intention.
Coach Alex Ray (26:21):
You're right, but anyway, this episode is not
about me, so let's go back toyou.
Sorry, no apology necessary.
I'm not a loophole.
I love this, but I wanteveryone to be able to really
get to know you here, becausethey get to hear way too much of
(26:43):
me on every other episode.
So I'm curious about anotherthing, about, like, what might
viewers find surprising thathappens behind the scenes that
they're totally unaware of whenthey're watching videos?
Morgxn Thicke (27:01):
I mean for me it kind of goes back to that
discussion, like a pre-sexdiscussion.
I'm very much all about sittingdown and really getting to know
a person and understanding,like I said, what are their
(27:21):
hotspots?
What parts of your body can Itouch that maybe make your toes
curl?
Or like some people love theirnipples played with and some
people it's really like a no orlike a dead zone.
Yeah.
It's like, oh well, you'redoing nothing, like you're
(27:44):
wasting it.
Yeah.
And for me, like in thosecircumstances when people like,
if I go to play with someone'snipples and they're reacting
because they think the camerawants to see a reaction, versus
like reacting because that feelsgood, that I kind of I don't
(28:07):
want that Like.
No, I don't want to show likethat kind of porn.
I don't want to make that kindof porn.
Yeah, like, every reaction thatI have is very much so like an
authentic reaction and I reallywant to like give people kind of
like like I started out makingporn because I wanted to provide
like intimate visuals to peoplethat they kind of it was kind
(28:32):
of so like there was so muchchemistry and there was so much
intimacy.
Like people were like should Ibe watching this?
Like can I watch this?
Oh, this is hot.
Like I want to watch more.
Like I want that chemistry, Iwant to feel that kind of
passion.
So, for me, like I really wantto know like what turns people
(28:54):
on in order to actually turnthem on Right.
Yeah, I don't know.
I love that.
Coach Alex Ray (29:04):
It's so.
It's less of a performance andmore of like an authentic.
Morgxn Thicke (29:10):
Yeah, it's kind of hard to have hard to find
like other people in like onlyfans that want to kind of commit
to that amount of likevulnerability, yeah, and also
that amount of like discussionand work, yeah, and I mean a lot
of it can occur like justsexting like between two
(29:34):
individuals, like prior to likeleading up.
But yeah, I love that aspect ofgetting to know someone and
then getting to explore thosedelicious little fun things that
(29:56):
really turn them on.
So I guess that's somethingthat a lot of people probably
don't talk about or encounter.
Coach Alex Ray (30:09):
That's so neat.
Morgxn Thicke (30:10):
Yeah.
Coach Alex Ray (30:12):
Okay, one other thing I want to ask you.
A few episodes ago, I talkedwith the Bottoms Digest and we
were talking about how, oh myGod, do you know that?
Morgxn Thicke (30:20):
Do you know him?
Yeah?
Coach Alex Ray (30:21):
I love them.
Yeah, they are fantastic.
Okay, so one of the things thatwe talked about was how in porn
, like produced porn, there arethe same messes that happen in
real life, where noteverything's always perfectly
perfect.
Can you confirm that the sameawkwardness that happens in
(30:50):
anyone else's sex encounterswhether that's messes or awkward
things that happen like I don'tknow you climb off the bed and
stub your toe?
Morgxn Thicke (31:02):
I 100% can confirm that even though it's
studio work and it's verystructured and it's very
scripted, we're still humanbeings, we're still engaging
together.
It is still very real in thataspect.
(31:24):
And of course there's alwaysgoing to be a little mess, or I
mean not always.
I've been really fortunate thatI have not encountered a mess
yet in the few studio scenesthat I have done.
It is definitely a fear in theback of my head, as I'm sure
(31:44):
it's in a lot of people's head,if I were to go into a studio
scene bottoming and knowing thatyou're going to be there for
like six hours, maybe six toeight hours.
Coach Alex Ray (32:02):
Wait, hold on.
This is something that I justnot know.
Okay, you're actually filmingfor like six to eight hours.
Morgxn Thicke (32:10):
Maybe this is like a secret that I'm not
supposed to tell people, but notcontinuously filming for six to
eight hours.
But it depends on, like, howmany clips the director wants to
go through and how long ittakes to get through each clip,
whether it's how many cameraangles they want to do or how
(32:34):
long it takes individuals to getan erection, because they
generally want you to have afull erection when the filming
starts in order to provide thatfantasy.
Yeah, like optics over softics.
Yeah, but yeah, it can go allday.
(32:54):
That's impressive.
They do provide opportunitiesto go freshen up and shower and
there's breaks for food or water, and they're very accommodating
.
It is not like jail.
You were chained to this deskuntil we finished this game, but
(33:15):
yeah, it takes as long as ittakes.
Coach Alex Ray (33:19):
It's so interesting.
I think I knew that it tooklonger, but in my head that just
meant like maybe like threehours.
Morgxn Thicke (33:26):
Yeah, I mean that's like a good well for me.
I usually a lot like two hoursfor any kind of only fan scene,
so that is like set up andtalking and getting to know and
like breaking the ice, like I'venever met this person before in
real life and I don't want itto be awkward, and we kind of go
(33:49):
into everything and then maybewe'll fuck for like an hour hour
and a half.
And then there's the exchangethat happens afterwards, like
exchanging content and makingsure like everybody signs model
releases and everyoneunderstands like when and where
and how we'll post and all thatI should not sexy stuff Right
(34:13):
All the business side, yeah,yeah.
Coach Alex Ray (34:17):
I love it.
Okay, hey, this is right.
There is even just such helpfulinformation, I think, for
people to understand.
I think when they're watching a15 minute video, there's hours
that go into it.
Yeah, and you cannot expect tohave sex with someone that looks
(34:37):
like a 15 minute porn and inreal life it's going to be a 15
minute encounter and it's goingto happen the same way or even
similar like that's.
There's a fantasy to it.
Morgxn Thicke (34:48):
No, it's very much like a business in that
aspect.
You have to understand, likeyour customer, and what fantasy
you're providing them and then,generally speaking, just kind of
perfecting that's over time.
Coach Alex Ray (35:05):
Yeah, all right, love it.
No, let's pop over to the nextquestion I had for you, which
was around as a genderqueerperson.
Do you have tips for ourlisteners around sexual
confidence?
Morgxn Thicke (35:22):
Yeah, Like we kind of discussed before, like
I'm really exploring the genderidentity that is me.
Again, I feel as though, likethrough sexual like encounters,
(35:49):
there is always a need to have adiscussion, yeah, like there's
always a need to be like openand honest about where maybe you
feel like the most vulnerableand our nose for you and what
are like yeses, like what has tohappen in order for this to be
(36:10):
like a pleasurable experience.
And if someone isn't willing tokind of entertain that
discussion, then they'rehonestly not worth your time.
Like there is not a situationthat I feel like I would put
myself in, where Because I havein the past put myself in
(36:33):
situations that I felt like veryviolated and kind of less than
human yeah, I just stronglyrecommend to like avoid that at
all costs, because it is notgoing to do any good.
Coach Alex Ray (36:53):
Yeah, yeah, makes sense.
Morgxn Thicke (36:56):
Yeah.
Coach Alex Ray (36:59):
How about any tips for gender confidence, like
expressing your genderqueerness?
Morgxn Thicke (37:07):
Oh my God, just fuck shit up, Just go out there
and try it.
You know, like maybe at first,because at first I will
wholeheartedly admit like Ilooked a mess.
I was very like I'm a 13 yearold girl, wearing all of my
favorite things.
I have all the jewelry on and Iam, I'm doing it, you know like
(37:33):
maybe I'm a little bit morerefined now, probably not a
whole lot, but I'm reallyenjoying like the exploration of
like the nail polish, theskirts, and and then doing that
on social media kind of is alittle more, I would say,
therapeutic than kind ofanything really.
(37:58):
I mean truly like you'reexposing yourself to whomever is
on social media, and I thinkfor me, taking it to the next
level would probably beincorporating like more women's
wear and or what is consideredlike traditional women's wear, I
(38:22):
mean like skirts and clothingand I feel like everything like
that.
I want to include more of thatinto like my everyday wear,
where it's not like so fetishy,it's not like the two inch
skirts that is barely covering abutchie kind of thing.
But there is now, like this isactual, like adult clothing that
(38:44):
I am like living, yeah.
And then I really want to learnhow to do like makeup and kind
of just see where that goes.
And yeah, I mean, like I said,fuck it up, like it really
(39:05):
doesn't matter, like if it, ifyou don't have a makeup on or a
coat of clothing and it bringsyou joy when you look in the
mirror, then do that for you.
Yeah, like absolutely fuckingthis.
You get one life, why not?
Yes, be queer, just fuck yeah.
(39:28):
And if anybody says anything,tell me and I will come fuck
shit up to it.
Coach Alex Ray (39:33):
You'll have a new bodyguard option here.
Yeah, I love it.
I mean, I wholeheartedly agreethat I've gone through a similar
process of like figuring outwhat my style is to, and it's
(39:55):
totally evolving and it's reallyjust all about experimenting,
trying things.
If you're comfortable in it,fantastic.
Other times you wear somethingand you're not comfortable in it
and like cool, don't wear itagain, you're done with it yeah,
yeah, yeah, we tried it Next.
Yeah, wasn't for, wasn't for you.
Yeah, someone else can have it.
(40:15):
Donate it, okay.
Last question for you, aquestion from the audience.
David asks how is maintaining arelationship different when you
work in porn?
Morgxn Thicke (40:36):
Maintaining a relationship will always, in my
opinion, require an immenseamount of work.
Regardless of if you're doingsex work or if you are in a
monotone or misrelationship thatyou are only doing that, I
would say that there's a lot ofcommunication that has to happen
(40:58):
in terms of any like scheduling.
And well, let me back up.
Okay, so like for myrelationship, yeah, it's kind of
evolved in terms of sex workfrom like a monogamous
(41:21):
relationship and then now it isvery much so like a non
monogamous, open relationshipwhere we sleep with other people
and kind of engage in likeadult activities outside of the
relationship but then come backtogether and also engage in
(41:43):
adult activities together.
But it definitely requires likean immense amount of
communication, like open, honestcommunication, like what is
actually like the feeling you'refeeling, and in order to do
that you have to be like open,honest and vulnerable.
(42:03):
And like when I say honest, Imean honest with yourself, like
how are you truly feeling aboutlike your partner sleeping with
somebody or you sleeping withthis other person, and just kind
of like constantly checking inwith whomever your primary
partner or partners are in orderto because if they're not sex
(42:28):
workers, I mean they're kind ofliving vicariously through you.
But, like, as a sex worker,you're always kind of like
taking on a lot more, I feel.
Yeah, in order to separate, likehow can I say this?
(42:51):
In order to separate work fromauthentic personal sex, I guess,
yeah, it's definitely achallenge that you have to
mentally prepare yourself for.
But then your partner orpartners engaging in casual sex
(43:16):
yeah, could just see all of yourinteractions as this fun
happening that is constantlygoing on.
Yeah, where for me, a lot of itis like oh, this is work, right
, no, yeah, so that's kind oflike been one of the main
(43:40):
challenges in our relationshipin terms of like communicating,
like, oh, this is work, not likeI'm not going just for a
fuck-best.
Yeah, I mean, I enjoy sex, butI also recognize that this is
work.
Yes, yeah, I don't know if thatmakes sense or just rambling.
Coach Alex Ray (44:01):
No, it absolutely does.
It really is about.
I think it sounds like it boilsdown to having boundaries with
what you want, your yeses andyour noes, your partner or
partners, yeses and noes andcommunicating, just communicate,
communicate, communicate.
And it has to be honest, bothwith yourself and with the other
person.
Morgxn Thicke (44:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it really.
I mean, and we've been to likecouples counseling for years and
years and years and years, notfor any like particular reason,
just kind of like checking in,which has been hugely
substantial, and I'm sure wehave like way more work to do.
Coach Alex Ray (44:43):
There's always a more you can do, yeah.
Morgxn Thicke (44:46):
Really, you never really expect there to be an
issue until just somethinghappens.
Yeah, and you're like, oh okay,maybe we should talk about that
.
Coach Alex Ray (44:54):
Yeah, yeah, fantastic.
Yeah, I love that you're alsoan advocate of seeking out
mental health resources and sojust trying to do it on your own
, because I am not qualified.
None of us are.
None of us are like come intothis world like cool, got this,
(45:15):
got it.
Morgxn Thicke (45:15):
Yeah, yeah, I can handle it Right.
Tell yourself that.
Coach Alex Ray (45:21):
Yeah.
Morgxn Thicke (45:21):
There you go.
Coach Alex Ray (45:22):
No, we are meant to be communal beings that
Totally Interdependent right butrely on others and also have
our own independence.
Oh yeah, 100%.
Morgxn Thicke (45:39):
I also think that it helps just having like that
unbiased, like kind of helpfulangel or whatever you want to
call them, like being, yeah,just kind of guiding you through
First of like your best friendwho's really advocating for you,
kind of yeah, more thananything else.
Coach Alex Ray (46:01):
Yeah, yeah, amazing.
I love it.
No, I have a tendency to likeraffle.
So, oh, me too.
Go listen to one of my soloepisodes and see what you think
You'll be like.
How did you fill up 45 minutesof talking?
You didn't even touch on thetopic.
I do get around to the topicgenerally.
(46:23):
I'm sure anyone listening rightnow, too, is like having their
own opinions about us.
But I am fine.
That's the whole point of thispodcast is just like enjoy and
share helpful information.
So thank you so much for beingon the episode today.
Really appreciate all of yourinsight, your authenticity, your
(46:46):
vulnerability with us.
Thank you so much.
Morgxn Thicke (46:50):
Thank you for having me.
This has been a treasure.
Thank you.
Coach Alex Ray (46:54):
You're welcome.
Before we head out, you know, Iwill absolutely link everything
down in the show notes.
Is there anything that you wantto share with everyone, just to
make sure that they're aware ofwhere they can find you?
Morgxn Thicke (47:08):
If you go to my link tree, link tree dot com
backslash more than Morgxn takeyou'll find all of my links.
That's pretty much the easiestway to just kind of like one
stop shop whatever you want todo, whatever you want to see,
and that's where you're going togo.
Yeah, but if you find me onInstagram, it's also there.
(47:31):
It's pretty easy to find me, aslong as you spell my name,
right.
Coach Alex Ray (47:37):
Thick.
Morgxn Thicke (47:41):
That wrist snap.
Coach Alex Ray (47:45):
All right, perfect.
Well, everyone will have all ofthat linked down in the show
notes for you so you can go justenjoy all of Morgxn's amazing
art.
It really think of what you doall sex work as art.
So thank you for doing the workthat you do in the world.
We need it, thank you.
Morgxn Thicke (48:06):
That really means a lot.
I appreciate that.
Coach Alex Ray (48:10):
Of course, all right.
Well, my friends, I will seeyou next Tuesday.
Bye, bye.
Hello, my unicorns.
Welcome back to another specialguest episode Today.
I am so excited to introduceyou to a queer, femnasty human
with Butch Queen tendencieswho's quickly making a name for
themselves in the porn industry.
I've got Morgxn Thicke on thepodcast today, welcome.
Morgxn Thicke (00:21):
Thank you so much Hi.
Coach Alex Ray (00:25):
Thanks for being here today.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Of course, you know, before welike jump into all the questions
having to do with your work inthe porn industry, I really want
to get to know a little bitmore about who you are as a
human outside of porn.
Am I a human?
Morgxn Thicke (00:44):
Okay, yeah, that sounds good.
Coach Alex Ray (00:50):
Tell us a little bit about you, who you are.
What do you like to do, likeyour interests, I mean?
Morgxn Thicke (00:56):
I'm.
I think I'm boring outside ofporn.
Like people, I think, assumethat I'm out here having sex
with a lot of different peopleall the time.
But honestly, I'm just kind ofcomfy in my PJs or relaxing on
the beach, that's it.
Coach Alex Ray (01:20):
I love how you know that we can all have these
kind of public personas.
I mean, anyone can, with socialmedia, just put out this kind
of show of how we want the worldto perceive us.
And yeah, I'm similar in that,like I'm very I'm a pretty like
stay at home and chill, which islike my good close friends.
(01:42):
But the version that people seeonline is very different, very
outgoing.
Morgxn Thicke (01:50):
Yeah, and the industry kind of like forces you
to be social in that like youwant to engage and you want to
kind of network and be seen inorder to kind of build your
brand.
But very much so.
I need like that relaxed timewhere I'm kind of like watching
(02:13):
below deck for four hours and Ihave my bowl of ice cream and my
dog in my lap.
That's about it.
Coach Alex Ray (02:23):
I love it.
Okay, I'm also like reallycurious when.
Like what has your experiencebeen like meeting and making
friends now that you're morewell known online?
Morgxn Thicke (02:42):
Um, that's a really good question.
So I guess there's a differencebetween like meeting and making
friends and making associationslike within the like sex work
bubble.
Like originally, when I firstgot into like the sex work
(03:04):
industry in my true likeMidwestern Nebraska mindset, I
was like I'm going to be friendswith everybody, everyone's
going to be my friend, I'm goingto be so nice to everybody and
I'm just going to all be likebesties.
Yeah, after a few years likeI've come to kind of understand,
(03:26):
like in order to protectpeople's like mental state or
themselves in general, likethere is that like divide where
you kind of have to build abarrier like okay, you are a
work friend or a work situation,and then maybe along the lines
(03:47):
you might like build a littlebit more.
But in general it's kind ofweird making friends because
people put on such a pedestaland I just think of myself as
like Midwestern boy who used toshut corn for his job.
(04:10):
Yeah, it was like very kind oflike I bag like women's
groceries and carry them out totheir cars.
Just I don't know what thislife is.
Coach Alex Ray (04:21):
This life of a star a rising star.
I mean, I love that, the real,how real you are to like.
This is always a fun thingabout getting to know people
when they're not on stage, likeon stage anymore.
(04:44):
It's just such a beautifulreminder that we are all just
fucking humans.
Morgxn Thicke (04:50):
Yeah, I'm just trying to pay my bills.
Coach Alex Ray (04:52):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Okay, I also would love to knowdo you have any ways that kind
of help you differentiatebetween when you are Morgxn
Thicke and when you are off likeoffstage chilling at home?
(05:13):
You?
Morgxn Thicke (05:15):
Um, differentiate just shutting my front door?
No, I'm, I think I know likegoing into certain scenarios
like okay, this is a this is aMorgxn Thicke scenario.
Like I need to get rid of bullbecause I'm going to be like
(05:37):
interacting with a lot of peopleand I need to be there for a
given amount of time in order tolike kind of make my rounds or
whatever.
It has been kind of interestingin respect to like me just
(05:57):
socially going out to maybe likean event or a bar, or going out
to a restaurant with friends oror just even maybe to the beach
and planning to be like casualand this is not a Morgxn Thicke
thing Like we're just relaxing,we're having fun, we're going to
kiki and then we're going tolike I don't know, let loose,
(06:19):
yeah, and being approached bypeople and it kind of turning
into like oh the Morgxn Thickeshow, like oh, can we take a
picture?
And where I really appreciatelike that kind of response from
people and I welcome it, like Iwant people to feel like they
can come up to me and say helloor whatever it does, kind of
(06:42):
like I can tell, like it's alittle annoying for like friends
and family and everything.
Coach Alex Ray (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, it's probably me.
Morgxn Thicke (06:51):
I'm kind of like this is just part of the thing,
like this is, this is what Iagreed to be a part of.
Yeah, yeah.
Coach Alex Ray (07:00):
I love that.
I think a lot of people that I,not a lot of you.
It's not like I've thousands ofcelebrities that have all told
me but that's not the case.
I'm trying to exaggerate alittle bit less, but like I have
heard from others a similarthing or sorry, not a dissimilar
(07:20):
thing, where they're saying youknow, oh, I don't want all
these people giving me all thisattention when I really love
that you're very much like,honest with yourself about that.
Hey, this is part of the gig,this is part of what you signed
up for and it may be, it may bedifficult for others around you,
(07:40):
but have you found any waysthat have kind of worked for you
to like navigate that?
Morgxn Thicke (07:48):
I don't know, like in interactions with people
when they come up to me, it'skind of like I feel so humbled
because often, like people tellme like how much, like how
grateful they are for likeseeing someone like me represent
like within the sex communityor I don't know, it's very
(08:13):
humbling for someone to come upand say like such appreciation
for me doing what I consider tobe like something that I enjoy.
But it definitely, I don't knowI always try to remain like
humble in that, like I said,like I don't think that I'm
anybody special, like I'm nobetter than anyone else and
(08:35):
honestly, like within anyindustry, like there is always
going to be like someone Likecoming up and probably replacing
you within like the nextcertain amount of time, unless
you're like super smart oryou're the only person in the
world that can do whateveryou're doing.
Like there is not I am not theonly person in the world that is
(08:57):
doing any like genderqueer,kind of like reform or anything
like that.
There are way bigger platformsand more substantial like
advocates out there.
I'm just kind of trying to findmy way in the world.
Coach Alex Ray (09:14):
I love it.
You're so like just I don'tknow real honest and relatable.
So I try to be.
I mean, I don't know, I don'tthink you even need to try, it's
just you, naturally.
Yeah, just awkward as fuck.
Well, I'm so glad that you'rehere anyway, even though you
(09:35):
feel awkward, yeah, like this ismy first podcast, though, like
my first official podcast, sowe're going to get through it.
Yeah, I get to take yourpodcast virginity.
I know what an honor.
Don't rip it off.
Right, gentle, gentle, gentle,All right.
So I feel like we've gotten toknow you a little bit more
(09:57):
outside of the industry.
But how did you get into porn?
How did?
Morgxn Thicke (10:01):
yeah, how to get into porn, I guess.
So I got into porn around like2019.
I found myself in a situationwhere I needed to make some
extra income.
My husband wanted to go toschool and in order to allow
(10:23):
that to happen and not like relysolely on like loans and
everything like that, I waslooking for an alternative or
like a secondary employment,yeah, and something that I could
do that would theoreticallymake like a decent income for a
(10:44):
few years.
Yeah, I've always kind of beeninterested in doing sex work in
terms of like studio, and atthat time, like only fans was
kind of starting to become athing, and in my ripe old age of
(11:04):
like 30, I don't even rememberlike 33, maybe I was kind of
adapting to like this mentalityof like, well, sex work is work
and it's valid and if I love sex, then maybe I'll be good at sex
Right and you know, on camera,yeah, like.
(11:27):
So I had already kind of likestarted doing photo shoots and
modeling and I've done like nudephotography and I was kind of
exposed in that sense.
So starting and only fans waskind of pretty easy for me in
that terms or in that manner.
(11:49):
It was interesting navigating,like meeting individuals and
immediately trying to likecreate chemistry, because for me
, like, chemistry is kind ofcrucial in terms of like making
everything work, right, butthat's.
(12:16):
I kind of navigated that just bylike having discussions with
people, either on Instagram ormeeting with them prior to, and
kind of going over like oh, whatgets your juices flowing?
And kind of like where, like,what are your interests?
Like, what are your hotspots orwhat are your nose?
Yeah, like, what do you like inbed that makes you like really
(12:40):
enjoy it?
Yeah, yeah, go from there.
Coach Alex Ray (12:45):
Okay, I feel like we need to like pause and
just sort of notice this evenmore here, because this is
something that every singleperson listening can benefit
tremendously from is learninghow to talk about these things.
Oh, 100%, 100%.
There's like no training, youknow?
(13:06):
No, it's like balancing yourcheckbook.
Right, we all have heard of it,but do we know how to do it?
What's worked well for youaround like?
How do you approach theseconversations?
How would you recommend someonelike start breaching these
topics with a potential partner?
Morgxn Thicke (13:30):
I recommend, like head on, yeah, like just kind
of dive right in, like once youknow like it's going in, or even
if it's not going in, like asexual direction, like it's
always good to be liketransparent regarding like, are
you sexual, are you not sexual?
Like, do you like touch or doyou not like touch?
(13:52):
Like just kind of establishingthat bridge of like where,
mentally, the other person orpersons are regarding like
intimate interaction.
I think it's very crucial inwhatever kind of relationship
(14:14):
that you're engaging in, whetherit be like casual sex or like
an intimate, like long-termrelationship.
Yeah, like it's always, in mymind, good to check in and
recheck in in order to kind oflike just reestablish like what
are we doing and how can we doit the best we can, yeah, yeah,
(14:41):
and does that sound?
I don't want it to sound likeso, like mechanical, but it's
kind of just like.
I just think it's good to startthat conversation like as early
as possible.
Coach Alex Ray (14:51):
Absolutely.
And with that like when youfirst started reaching out to
others or having people reachout to you to kind of
collaborate with only fans, oryou have a few other sites too,
like for my fans and just forfans, okay, so how did that feel
(15:13):
at first?
Morgxn Thicke (15:13):
Were you, like, really nervous to reach these
topics, or Kind of I reallydidn't expect like people to
kind of respond back to me andlike now the way that Twitter's
run.
Like you have to I don't knowlike you have to have a blue
(15:34):
tech mark in order for someoneto like, message you or reach
out to you, but back then, likein the Stone Age, you could just
message whoever who allowed youto, whoever had like their
messages open.
Yeah, so I would basically justlike go through the
Twitterverse of porn and I wouldjust find accounts that kind of
(15:55):
like emulated something that Iconnected with, whether that be
like chemistry, whether that bekink, whether that be them just
being like a beautifulindividual that I thought maybe
like oh, I might have a chance,and I just messaged them and I
was like hey, I'm starting anearly fans.
(16:16):
I know like my Twitter sucksright now and just started and I
think that would be really good.
Bye, I'm 100% okay meeting withyou.
Please go through my Twitterfeed, go through my Instagram
Like if it seems like somethingthat you're interested in, like
let's discuss, and kind of tookit from there.
Coach Alex Ray (16:40):
I love it.
I feel like literally everyonecan learn a lot from this,
whether they're looking to starttheir own OnlyFans or whether
they're just looking to date.
Like you said, it's literallyjust as simple, as I mean simple
, even though it's scary, butit's still simple.
As simple as looking for thingsthat are interesting about the
(17:05):
other person and just commentingon it.
Hey, I noticed this about yourprofile.
I really am interested in thattoo.
Or, hey, I just think you'revery attractive.
I would love to take you outfor dinner or bring you over to
my house to film a scene.
Morgxn Thicke (17:24):
But also I think another part of it is being open
to possibilities maybe that youwouldn't consider.
I feel, like a lot of peopleespecially that I've encountered
within sex work, they're sorigid on maybe the individual
who they will hook up with orthe individual that they're
(17:45):
willing to work with.
And I think for me personally,a lot of the best interactions
that I've had came fromsurprising situations that I
really hadn't expected or Imaybe wouldn't have sought.
After they reached out to me,we just had like chats and I was
(18:11):
like, okay, let's just give ita go and see where it goes, and
it was just kind of fun likeexploring sex.
It doesn't always have to begreat, but I mean, for me
personally, the more interactionyou have with an individual it
gets better.
I mean, yeah, it's not gonna bealways be great the first time,
(18:35):
but I think we're gonna be ableto do that.
But I think with experience itwill get better.
Coach Alex Ray (18:45):
That makes a lot of sense.
I think a lot of us put a lotof pressure onto each
interaction like, oh, it's gotto be great.
Morgxn Thicke (18:55):
And it never happens.
No.
Coach Alex Ray (18:58):
And then it also makes us lock up more and when.
The more anxious we are, theless flexible and like open we
are Physically, but also likementally, we're totally gonna be
more awkward the more stressedout we are about being perfect.
Morgxn Thicke (19:16):
Yeah, and you may miss out on an opportunity.
That could be amazing.
Just be open, just have funwith it.
Coach Alex Ray (19:25):
I don't know, yeah, like don't take it so
seriously, it could be surprised.
Morgxn Thicke (19:30):
I think it's serious to a certain extent
because it is a business, butyeah.
Coach Alex Ray (19:34):
Yes.
Morgxn Thicke (19:35):
I think, allowing yourself to be open to
possibilities and a variety or arange of scenarios, individuals
, it's just something that maybe, like a lot of individuals in
the sex world, don't do.
Coach Alex Ray (19:52):
Yeah, I love that.
All right, here's anotherquestion that I think a lot of
us could really benefit from.
I imagine that you get a lot ofmessages from people fans even
that are like oh my God, I wannahook up with you, who may not
(20:14):
really be, who really may not be, someone that you're like going
to collaborate with in abusiness way, and so, and you're
maybe you're like, hey, I'm notavailable for this.
Yeah, what are yourrecommendations or tips or
insights for how to say no whenyou don't want to have sex with
someone?
Morgxn Thicke (20:37):
For me personally , it's kind of like oh hey, I
appreciate you reaching out,it's probably gonna be a no.
But then again, in thoseresponses I've also, like I was
saying before, a lot ofsituations in situations where I
maybe wouldn't have maybesought after like an individual.
(21:00):
I allowed myself to kind ofinteract with them and yeah,
like meeting up with them, wherethe interaction was much better
than I kind of anticipated,there is like for me, there is
kind of a level of like aboundary that I have to draw,
(21:23):
because a lot of people reachout to me and I feel as though,
like they want to hook up,because they see me as like a
sexual object, and if I get thatfeeling then it's automatically
a no for me, because I don'twant to put myself in a
situation where I'm just anobject.
(21:45):
Yeah, like I want to be seen asa person, yeah, I want to be
like validated as a person and,conversely, like I want to
validate the other person aslike an individual, like a being
, that we are two beings comingtogether.
And if I feel like it's verytransactional because I've had
(22:07):
to like tell people that aredoing like only fans or wanting
to do like an only fans, likecollaboration, like if I feel
like it's very transactional,like no, it's an absolute no.
Coach Alex Ray (22:19):
Yeah.
Morgxn Thicke (22:20):
Yeah.
Coach Alex Ray (22:21):
You know, you just really really kind of
sparked this realization for methat I want to share real quick.
I have had sexual trauma in mypast and been like sexually
abused by friends when I was alittle kid and because of that
(22:44):
it has I've had this kind offramework of looking at like sex
and connection and friendshipsin this very kind of like black
and white way that it was likescary for me even to also like
become more popular onlinebecause I started getting a lot
(23:06):
of sexual attention with thattoo and then feeling like I
don't know what to do with this.
So let me just shut down and Ireally really appreciate the
insight that you're even givingme right now of Brown, like hey,
let's be a little more flexiblehere and know the boundary,
(23:27):
that like I'm okay with actuallybeing sexual with people when
I'm respected as a whole being.
I'm not okay with being treatedsexually when I'm an object,
and then it can just be an easyno yeah.
Morgxn Thicke (23:41):
Yeah, and I mean a lot of people take offense to
it and I respect that.
But if your initial phrase islike, you have a great ass I
don't want to fuck it, then Idon't think so.
Thanks for the note.
Coach Alex Ray (24:00):
Right, yeah, I appreciate that so much.
It's a great insight, yeah.
Morgxn Thicke (24:07):
I'm really sorry to hear about your trauma.
Yeah, it's really unfortunateBecause I mean, you seem like
such a lovely individual.
Coach Alex Ray (24:18):
Thank you, yeah, I appreciate that and I've
worked through a lot of thesethings.
I've been in therapies insecond grade and out over the
years, so I've collectivelyspent more than 10 years in
therapy, approaching 15 years.
We work through these things.
(24:39):
There's no other way butthrough it, but I appreciate
that.
Morgxn Thicke (24:44):
So isn't it so interesting to how, as gay and
queer men, we find the need tosexualize everything?
Oh, my god, yes absolutely as apodcast, just putting yourself
out there, yeah, and people arelike let's do it.
Coach Alex Ray (25:07):
Right?
Well, I also used to be afitness coach and I think I
definitely felt the need to makemy Instagram very thirst-trappy
in order to attract attention.
But I think the way that I didit, my intention behind it,
wasn't like I want people toactually approach me just for
(25:30):
sex.
I wanted people to be like, ok,wait, he's hot, but like and
gay, and I can relate in thatway, but I don't want to fuck
him, I want to be him, I want todo his program or whatever, and
that was more the vibe I wasgoing for.
It worked that way for somepeople.
It didn't work that way forothers.
(25:52):
And then when I evolved intocoaching, still same thing A lot
less of the sexual attention,but it's still there.
I still have to sometimes bepaying attention to when
someone's like hey, I want towork with you.
Great, do you want to work withme just because you want to
(26:14):
spend time with me and you'rehoping that will lead to sex,
like, yeah, because that's not.
Morgxn Thicke (26:20):
The true intention.
Coach Alex Ray (26:21):
You're right, but anyway, this episode is not
about me, so let's go back toyou.
Sorry, no apology necessary.
I'm not a loophole.
I love this, but I wanteveryone to be able to really
get to know you here, becausethey get to hear way too much of
(26:43):
me on every other episode.
So I'm curious about anotherthing, about, like, what might
viewers find surprising thathappens behind the scenes that
they're totally unaware of whenthey're watching videos?
Morgxn Thicke (27:01):
I mean for me it kind of goes back to that
discussion, like a pre-sexdiscussion.
I'm very much all about sittingdown and really getting to know
a person and understanding,like I said, what are their
(27:21):
hotspots?
What parts of your body can Itouch that maybe make your toes
curl?
Or like some people love theirnipples played with and some
people it's really like a no orlike a dead zone.
Yeah.
It's like, oh well, you'redoing nothing, like you're
(27:44):
wasting it.
Yeah.
And for me, like in thosecircumstances when people like,
if I go to play with someone'snipples and they're reacting
because they think the camerawants to see a reaction, versus
like reacting because that feelsgood, that I kind of I don't
(28:07):
want that Like.
No, I don't want to show likethat kind of porn.
I don't want to make that kindof porn.
Yeah, like, every reaction thatI have is very much so like an
authentic reaction and I reallywant to like give people kind of
like like I started out makingporn because I wanted to provide
like intimate visuals to peoplethat they kind of it was kind
(28:32):
of so like there was so muchchemistry and there was so much
intimacy.
Like people were like should Ibe watching this?
Like can I watch this?
Oh, this is hot.
Like I want to watch more.
Like I want that chemistry, Iwant to feel that kind of
passion.
So, for me, like I really wantto know like what turns people
(28:54):
on in order to actually turnthem on Right.
Yeah, I don't know.
I love that.
Coach Alex Ray (29:04):
It's so.
It's less of a performance andmore of like an authentic.
Morgxn Thicke (29:10):
Yeah, it's kind of hard to have hard to find
like other people in like onlyfans that want to kind of commit
to that amount of likevulnerability, yeah, and also
that amount of like discussionand work, yeah, and I mean a lot
of it can occur like justsexting like between two
(29:34):
individuals, like prior to likeleading up.
But yeah, I love that aspect ofgetting to know someone and
then getting to explore thosedelicious little fun things that
(29:56):
really turn them on.
So I guess that's somethingthat a lot of people probably
don't talk about or encounter.
Coach Alex Ray (30:09):
That's so neat.
Morgxn Thicke (30:10):
Yeah.
Coach Alex Ray (30:12):
Okay, one other thing I want to ask you.
A few episodes ago, I talkedwith the Bottoms Digest and we
were talking about how, oh myGod, do you know that?
Morgxn Thicke (30:20):
Do you know him?
Yeah?
Coach Alex Ray (30:21):
I love them.
Yeah, they are fantastic.
Okay, so one of the things thatwe talked about was how in porn
, like produced porn, there arethe same messes that happen in
real life, where noteverything's always perfectly
perfect.
Can you confirm that the sameawkwardness that happens in
(30:50):
anyone else's sex encounterswhether that's messes or awkward
things that happen like I don'tknow you climb off the bed and
stub your toe?
Morgxn Thicke (31:02):
I 100% can confirm that even though it's
studio work and it's verystructured and it's very
scripted, we're still humanbeings, we're still engaging
together.
It is still very real in thataspect.
(31:24):
And of course there's alwaysgoing to be a little mess, or I
mean not always.
I've been really fortunate thatI have not encountered a mess
yet in the few studio scenesthat I have done.
It is definitely a fear in theback of my head, as I'm sure
(31:44):
it's in a lot of people's head,if I were to go into a studio
scene bottoming and knowing thatyou're going to be there for
like six hours, maybe six toeight hours.
Coach Alex Ray (32:02):
Wait, hold on.
This is something that I justnot know.
Okay, you're actually filmingfor like six to eight hours.
Morgxn Thicke (32:10):
Maybe this is like a secret that I'm not
supposed to tell people, but notcontinuously filming for six to
eight hours.
But it depends on, like, howmany clips the director wants to
go through and how long ittakes to get through each clip,
whether it's how many cameraangles they want to do or how
(32:34):
long it takes individuals to getan erection, because they
generally want you to have afull erection when the filming
starts in order to provide thatfantasy.
Yeah, like optics over softics.
Yeah, but yeah, it can go allday.
(32:54):
That's impressive.
They do provide opportunitiesto go freshen up and shower and
there's breaks for food or water, and they're very accommodating
.
It is not like jail.
You were chained to this deskuntil we finished this game, but
(33:15):
yeah, it takes as long as ittakes.
Coach Alex Ray (33:19):
It's so interesting.
I think I knew that it tooklonger, but in my head that just
meant like maybe like threehours.
Morgxn Thicke (33:26):
Yeah, I mean that's like a good well for me.
I usually a lot like two hoursfor any kind of only fan scene,
so that is like set up andtalking and getting to know and
like breaking the ice, like I'venever met this person before in
real life and I don't want itto be awkward, and we kind of go
(33:49):
into everything and then maybewe'll fuck for like an hour hour
and a half.
And then there's the exchangethat happens afterwards, like
exchanging content and makingsure like everybody signs model
releases and everyoneunderstands like when and where
and how we'll post and all thatI should not sexy stuff Right
(34:13):
All the business side, yeah,yeah.
Coach Alex Ray (34:17):
I love it.
Okay, hey, this is right.
There is even just such helpfulinformation, I think, for
people to understand.
I think when they're watching a15 minute video, there's hours
that go into it.
Yeah, and you cannot expect tohave sex with someone that looks
(34:37):
like a 15 minute porn and inreal life it's going to be a 15
minute encounter and it's goingto happen the same way or even
similar like that's.
There's a fantasy to it.
Morgxn Thicke (34:48):
No, it's very much like a business in that
aspect.
You have to understand, likeyour customer, and what fantasy
you're providing them and then,generally speaking, just kind of
perfecting that's over time.
Coach Alex Ray (35:05):
Yeah, all right, love it.
No, let's pop over to the nextquestion I had for you, which
was around as a genderqueerperson.
Do you have tips for ourlisteners around sexual
confidence?
Morgxn Thicke (35:22):
Yeah, Like we kind of discussed before, like
I'm really exploring the genderidentity that is me.
Again, I feel as though, likethrough sexual like encounters,
(35:49):
there is always a need to have adiscussion, yeah, like there's
always a need to be like openand honest about where maybe you
feel like the most vulnerableand our nose for you and what
are like yeses, like what has tohappen in order for this to be
(36:10):
like a pleasurable experience.
And if someone isn't willing tokind of entertain that
discussion, then they'rehonestly not worth your time.
Like there is not a situationthat I feel like I would put
myself in, where Because I havein the past put myself in
(36:33):
situations that I felt like veryviolated and kind of less than
human yeah, I just stronglyrecommend to like avoid that at
all costs, because it is notgoing to do any good.
Coach Alex Ray (36:53):
Yeah, yeah, makes sense.
Morgxn Thicke (36:56):
Yeah.
Coach Alex Ray (36:59):
How about any tips for gender confidence, like
expressing your genderqueerness?
Morgxn Thicke (37:07):
Oh my God, just fuck shit up, Just go out there
and try it.
You know, like maybe at first,because at first I will
wholeheartedly admit like Ilooked a mess.
I was very like I'm a 13 yearold girl, wearing all of my
favorite things.
I have all the jewelry on and Iam, I'm doing it, you know like
(37:33):
maybe I'm a little bit morerefined now, probably not a
whole lot, but I'm reallyenjoying like the exploration of
like the nail polish, theskirts, and and then doing that
on social media kind of is alittle more, I would say,
therapeutic than kind ofanything really.
(37:58):
I mean truly like you'reexposing yourself to whomever is
on social media, and I thinkfor me, taking it to the next
level would probably beincorporating like more women's
wear and or what is consideredlike traditional women's wear, I
(38:22):
mean like skirts and clothingand I feel like everything like
that.
I want to include more of thatinto like my everyday wear,
where it's not like so fetishy,it's not like the two inch
skirts that is barely covering abutchie kind of thing.
But there is now, like this isactual, like adult clothing that
(38:44):
I am like living, yeah.
And then I really want to learnhow to do like makeup and kind
of just see where that goes.
And yeah, I mean, like I said,fuck it up, like it really
(39:05):
doesn't matter, like if it, ifyou don't have a makeup on or a
coat of clothing and it bringsyou joy when you look in the
mirror, then do that for you.
Yeah, like absolutely fuckingthis.
You get one life, why not?
Yes, be queer, just fuck yeah.
(39:28):
And if anybody says anything,tell me and I will come fuck
shit up to it.
Coach Alex Ray (39:33):
You'll have a new bodyguard option here.
Yeah, I love it.
I mean, I wholeheartedly agreethat I've gone through a similar
process of like figuring outwhat my style is to, and it's
(39:55):
totally evolving and it's reallyjust all about experimenting,
trying things.
If you're comfortable in it,fantastic.
Other times you wear somethingand you're not comfortable in it
and like cool, don't wear itagain, you're done with it yeah,
yeah, yeah, we tried it Next.
Yeah, wasn't for, wasn't for you.
Yeah, someone else can have it.
(40:15):
Donate it, okay.
Last question for you, aquestion from the audience.
David asks how is maintaining arelationship different when you
work in porn?
Morgxn Thicke (40:36):
Maintaining a relationship will always, in my
opinion, require an immenseamount of work.
Regardless of if you're doingsex work or if you are in a
monotone or misrelationship thatyou are only doing that, I
would say that there's a lot ofcommunication that has to happen
(40:58):
in terms of any like scheduling.
And well, let me back up.
Okay, so like for myrelationship, yeah, it's kind of
evolved in terms of sex workfrom like a monogamous
(41:21):
relationship and then now it isvery much so like a non
monogamous, open relationshipwhere we sleep with other people
and kind of engage in likeadult activities outside of the
relationship but then come backtogether and also engage in
(41:43):
adult activities together.
But it definitely requires likean immense amount of
communication, like open, honestcommunication, like what is
actually like the feeling you'refeeling, and in order to do
that you have to be like open,honest and vulnerable.
(42:03):
And like when I say honest, Imean honest with yourself, like
how are you truly feeling aboutlike your partner sleeping with
somebody or you sleeping withthis other person, and just kind
of like constantly checking inwith whomever your primary
partner or partners are in orderto because if they're not sex
(42:28):
workers, I mean they're kind ofliving vicariously through you.
But, like, as a sex worker,you're always kind of like
taking on a lot more, I feel.
Yeah, in order to separate, likehow can I say this?
(42:51):
In order to separate work fromauthentic personal sex, I guess,
yeah, it's definitely achallenge that you have to
mentally prepare yourself for.
But then your partner orpartners engaging in casual sex
(43:16):
yeah, could just see all of yourinteractions as this fun
happening that is constantlygoing on.
Yeah, where for me, a lot of itis like oh, this is work, right
, no, yeah, so that's kind oflike been one of the main
(43:40):
challenges in our relationshipin terms of like communicating,
like, oh, this is work, not likeI'm not going just for a
fuck-best.
Yeah, I mean, I enjoy sex, butI also recognize that this is
work.
Yes, yeah, I don't know if thatmakes sense or just rambling.
Coach Alex Ray (44:01):
No, it absolutely does.
It really is about.
I think it sounds like it boilsdown to having boundaries with
what you want, your yeses andyour noes, your partner or
partners, yeses and noes andcommunicating, just communicate,
communicate, communicate.
And it has to be honest, bothwith yourself and with the other
person.
Morgxn Thicke (44:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it really.
I mean, and we've been to likecouples counseling for years and
years and years and years, notfor any like particular reason,
just kind of like checking in,which has been hugely
substantial, and I'm sure wehave like way more work to do.
Coach Alex Ray (44:43):
There's always a more you can do, yeah.
Morgxn Thicke (44:46):
Really, you never really expect there to be an
issue until just somethinghappens.
Yeah, and you're like, oh okay,maybe we should talk about that
.
Coach Alex Ray (44:54):
Yeah, yeah, fantastic.
Yeah, I love that you're alsoan advocate of seeking out
mental health resources and sojust trying to do it on your own
, because I am not qualified.
None of us are.
None of us are like come intothis world like cool, got this,
(45:15):
got it.
Morgxn Thicke (45:15):
Yeah, yeah, I can handle it Right.
Tell yourself that.
Coach Alex Ray (45:21):
Yeah.
Morgxn Thicke (45:21):
There you go.
Coach Alex Ray (45:22):
No, we are meant to be communal beings that
Totally Interdependent right butrely on others and also have
our own independence.
Oh yeah, 100%.
Morgxn Thicke (45:39):
I also think that it helps just having like that
unbiased, like kind of helpfulangel or whatever you want to
call them, like being, yeah,just kind of guiding you through
First of like your best friendwho's really advocating for you,
kind of yeah, more thananything else.
Coach Alex Ray (46:01):
Yeah, yeah, amazing.
I love it.
No, I have a tendency to likeraffle.
So, oh, me too.
Go listen to one of my soloepisodes and see what you think
You'll be like.
How did you fill up 45 minutesof talking?
You didn't even touch on thetopic.
I do get around to the topicgenerally.
(46:23):
I'm sure anyone listening rightnow, too, is like having their
own opinions about us.
But I am fine.
That's the whole point of thispodcast is just like enjoy and
share helpful information.
So thank you so much for beingon the episode today.
Really appreciate all of yourinsight, your authenticity, your
(46:46):
vulnerability with us.
Thank you so much.
Morgxn Thicke (46:50):
Thank you for having me.
This has been a treasure.
Thank you.
Coach Alex Ray (46:54):
You're welcome.
Before we head out, you know, Iwill absolutely link everything
down in the show notes.
Is there anything that you wantto share with everyone, just to
make sure that they're aware ofwhere they can find you?
Morgxn Thicke (47:08):
If you go to my link tree, link tree dot com
backslash more than Morgxn takeyou'll find all of my links.
That's pretty much the easiestway to just kind of like one
stop shop whatever you want todo, whatever you want to see,
and that's where you're going togo.
Yeah, but if you find me onInstagram, it's also there.
(47:31):
It's pretty easy to find me, aslong as you spell my name,
right.
Coach Alex Ray (47:37):
Thick.
Morgxn Thicke (47:41):
That wrist snap.
Coach Alex Ray (47:45):
All right, perfect.
Well, everyone will have all ofthat linked down in the show
notes for you so you can go justenjoy all of Morgxn's amazing
art.
It really think of what you doall sex work as art.
So thank you for doing the workthat you do in the world.
We need it, thank you.
Morgxn Thicke (48:06):
That really means a lot.
I appreciate that.
Coach Alex Ray (48:10):
Of course, all right.
Well, my friends, I will seeyou next Tuesday.
Bye, bye.
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