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Alex (00:00):
Hello, hello my unicorns, welcome back.
Oh my god, it's been six, sevenmonths, I guess, since I last
released any podcast episodesfor you all.
I'm really excited to start thevery first episode today, with
Jeremy, of the new Naked series,where we are getting naked
literally and figuratively,getting vulnerable, talking
(00:22):
about insecurity, and I'm reallyhonored that you were my, or
are my first guest for this show.
Jeremy (00:28):
Thank you, I am very honored that you asked me.
I really appreciate it.
Alex (00:31):
Of course Okay.
So I think we should do.
We want to tell everyone how wemet, cause that is kind of fine
, it's just.
It's not a big story, it's justfunny Okay.
So my very first pride here.
I was walking around and I knewthat I wanted to start go-go
dancing and bumped into Jeremywho was looking sexy, dancing on
the box out in the middle ofthe street Shaking his thang,
(00:56):
and I was like hi, I'm Alex, canwe follow each other on
Instagram?
Because I'm new here and I wantto start go-go dancing and I
want tips.
Jeremy (01:09):
That's how I remember it .
Yeah it, yeah, I mean it'spretty accurate.
It's not much more to like heybitch, I want some money.
How do I do this?
Alex (01:16):
got any tips on stripping down to my underwear and just
dancing for everyone?
Jeremy (01:20):
yeah, you just take clothes off, get on a box and
move.
Alex (01:23):
It's super easy it's, but you also have you taken dance
lessons before, or something?
Jeremy (01:28):
I was a professional dancer for like 14 years.
Okay, well, that explains it.
Alex (01:32):
Yeah yeah, because, like you, I think you really set the
bar pretty high here.
I think that's full.
You're full of shit for thatone.
No, when you dance, you dancewith like it looks like real
moves.
Jeremy (01:45):
I feel like when I dance I'm just like this feels nice
you're like I like the way this,let's go with that one right,
it might look bad but it feelsnice to me, so I've seen you
dance.
Alex (01:56):
It doesn't look bad okay thank you, I didn't.
Yeah, I'm not.
I mean like general, I have noidea if it's like great or not,
I just know that it feels good.
Jeremy (02:09):
Yeah, I mean it should feel good to you at least.
Yeah, I think if you feel goodand you feel comfortable, other
people are going to feelcomfortable.
Okay, so number one of the daythere you go.
If you feel if you feel, if youfeel good and you feel
comfortable, other people, Ifeel like in our heads we want,
we think people want us to failor like fall on our face.
(02:31):
But really it's kind of like um, it's like a public speaking
class.
You want the person to be good,so then you don't have to sit
there and cringe.
It's like the the same thing,you know, like, oh, if they're
good, I can just relax and we'regood, and so I think that kind
of translates into dance as well.
Alex (02:51):
One of the things I think that you have done really well,
that I've seen you do, isconnect with the audience really
well.
Yeah, Because I know when we'vedanced at Moe's before you've
had people that like come therebecause they want to see you.
Jeremy (03:06):
Yeah, I mean, there's kind of, when you do it for a
while, you end up getting yourregulars, and I think that
that's an important aspect thatpeople don't tend to think about
when they go into it.
It's like they they fall inlove with you, for you, and it's
also like taking the time tolike show appreciation for the
(03:28):
tip you know, like hey, thankyou, I really appreciate it,
like what's your name?
And kind of being a little bitmore, it's not just dance, you
know yeah.
I think it's like that, growingthat interpersonal relationship
in that short period of time.
Alex (03:44):
Yeah, it works.
Jeremy (03:45):
I think yeah, it works.
I think, yeah, definitely.
Alex (03:48):
What lessons do you have you learned through go-go
dancing?
About being confident, being infront of people.
That could apply to anyone.
Jeremy (03:58):
Um, I think the the thing that I've learned the most
is kind of like get out of yourown head.
You know, like you kind ofstand in your own way and you
put limitations on yourself andthere are times where like, oh,
I had a really big meal orsomething and I don't feel
confident up here, but that'sall, like it's all inside.
(04:22):
You know the calls coming frominside the house and you kind of
just have to be like no, I'mnot doing that and push forward.
Searching for that validation.
Alex (04:30):
Yes, that can be really easy on, like Grindr or any of
the apps to get a quickvalidation through sending a
nude or receiving a nude or justbeing quick and flirtatious.
But and that's great, you don'tneed to stop that.
But also there's a differentkind of satisfaction that comes
with being yourself and havingpeople notice and appreciate
(04:54):
that, and you can't get that ifyou are not willing to do the
most uncomfortable thing ofbeing vulnerable and authentic,
1000%.
Jeremy (05:03):
I fully, wholeheartedly agree with you.
I danced with the?
Um RuPaul's drag race work, theworld Queens Cool Um on tour
and we went to Europe for likethree months and, um, we had an
opportunity to dance at the uhWembley arena.
So there's like over 8 000people there screaming fans,
(05:28):
like it was like, uh, such anamazing experience and part of
that was because in my dancecareer in la, you know the
agents, the people booking, thechoreographers, the assistants
everyone is kind of telling thegay men butchch it up, you know,
make it more masculine.
(05:48):
Um, cause, a lot of what you doat auditions is you learn you
know eight, eight counts orsomething, um, and then they
want you to freestyle.
So it's like, can you do whatwe want you to do and then show
us who you are?
But if yourself is feminine oran aspect of it, um, you know, a
lot of times you end up gettingcut, even if you did the
(06:09):
choreography perfectly.
And when I was on tour withwith work the world, I was in
fucking like pink patent leatherheels, yeah, like these massive
shoulders, like wearing thingsthat I personally in my own
daily life would never wear.
But it was a celebration oflike different and a homosexual
(06:30):
like homosexuality, uh, justlike unapologetically gay and
out there and like kind of inyour face.
Alex (06:39):
Yeah.
Jeremy (06:40):
And there was an aspect of the show, um, you know, at
the end each dancer kind ofcomes out and you know, at the
end each dancer kind of comesout and you know everyone's here
to see these queens that arelike famous.
But I came out and like I do,like I can flip, so I would
tumble or whatever, cool, okay.
And then you know people wouldlike go, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then, like I would justlike look and like go, like you
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know, and 8,000 plus people Iget chills thinking about it.
Oh, my god, you've gotgoosebumps.
But I went behind.
That was kind of towards theend of the show and after the
curtain went down I just wentbackstage and like wept, and it
was just one of those things oflike.
I will never have thisopportunity to do this ever
again, to perform in a show.
That is one of those things oflike.
I will never have thisopportunity to do this ever
again.
To perform in a show that iscelebrating who I am
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authentically and for me topresent in a way that is so
authentic and be celebrated forit and make money while doing it
like good money, um, and Ithink that that's like one of
those moments that I will takewith me.
I never thought that I wouldsee this day.
This is the day when I was akid in my mirror.
You know, looking and beinglike this is what I want to do
(07:53):
with my life like it finallyhappened, yeah, so that was like
yeah, thank you for sharingthat it was pretty cool.
That's really special.
It was really special from myperspective as an audience
member.
I love to see it like show methe duality.
Like, yes, I can see physicallyyou are a tall, masculine
looking person, sure, but if youcan express something different
(08:18):
, that juxtaposition is reallynice sometimes and I think
having that duality is reallycool, okay, so now um, let's get
.
Alex (08:30):
Let's get to the naked part of the episode okay, all
right.
So the way this game is goingto work is we are going to first
survey, sharing something, umthat we feel insecure about,
then the other person is goingto take a moment to validate us,
and then we'll take off anarticle of clothing.
So we're kind of flipping thewhole like strip poker.
(08:52):
Stripping is not the punishmenthere, it's the, it's the gift,
it's the benefit.
Surprise, we get to be morenaked and vulnerable with each
other and with you all.
Yes, so, um, would you, do youwant to go first or second?
I'll be bold, I'll go first.
Okay, great.
What's one thing that you havebeen insecure about or are
(09:12):
insecure about?
Jeremy (09:16):
Let's see, I think, my size, of my stature, I'm a very
average height, I'm five footnine and um, you know, I've
heard girls, I've heard guystalk about, oh, I need a guy
that's like six foot, six foottwo, you know, and kind of not
(09:37):
feeling enough in that sense andcoming into the realization
that like I don't need to be, Idon't need to be a certain thing
to get the attention of peoplethat I also have an attraction
to Um and it doesn't make thatthose things are not going to
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make me feel more powerful.
And I think that's such a goodpoint, Like and I think you know
we always think grass is alwaysgreener.
But the good thing is, liketall people like you can go to
the gym just as much as me, butyour muscles are longer, so
you're always going to lookleaner.
Yeah, and I am five foot nine.
We can gain the same amount ofweight, but mine are shorter and
(10:20):
they're going to stick out more.
And, like being a skinny kid, Iwas like 140.
Alex (10:25):
Oh yeah, I was super skinny too.
Yeah yeah, skinny kids unite.
We're so oppressed.
I honestly did feel veryinsecure about being skinny too,
because I was like, what arepeople going to?
I thought that my lack ofconfidence was because I wasn't
(10:45):
physically strong and I feltlike, oh well, if I look
physically weak and I am maybephysically weak, then I'm.
Jeremy (10:52):
That's why I'm insecure it wasn't.
Alex (10:54):
I got really strong.
Jeremy (10:55):
It didn't change anything yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm
just saying like I stillvisualize myself in my head as
that skinny kid which is.
I think it's good honestly likeremember where you came from,
kind of a thing.
Alex (11:08):
I think that was very valid and also here's the part
where I get to validate you.
Now, okay, I want to say that,though maybe you're physically
shorter than I am, you you havea presence about you and when
you're in a room I I have never,ever thought you know, he's
kind of small like you have avery um that you just you take
(11:33):
up space in a way that's reallyconfident and authentic and um
empowering.
So maybe physically, but notnot spiritually, mentally,
emotionally, you're a big boy.
Jeremy (11:47):
I will take that.
Alex (11:48):
I will absolutely take that okay, all right, so you all
can actually just pausing usreal quick you all can practice
this at home with a friend, witha partner, with a partner with
a lover, whoever.
It's so healthy to be honestand forthcoming about our
insecurities, and if that personcannot validate you, they're
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probably not a safe person foryou.
If they can validate you, thenthat's evidence that you can
trust them to go deeper, thatyou can be more vulnerable with
them.
but we first start by littlevulnerability validation, and
then we can get more vulnerable,and that's why I invented this
game this way 10 minutes agojust on the spot, you just want
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me to take my clothes off.
I just want you to take yourclothes off, so what do you want
to take off first?
Okay well, let's do this, let'sdo the shirts.
Here we go.
I've seen that before.
Look at my Instagram.
Um, okay, well let's do this.
Jeremy (12:46):
Let's do the shirts.
Here we go.
Okay, I've seen that before.
Who hasn't Look at my Instagram?
Alex (12:51):
Right, okay, cool.
So now I have to answer thesame question.
What am I insecure about?
Jeremy (12:57):
Hmm, hmm.
Alex (13:00):
Okay If we're going to go physical.
I think the honest truth is Istill have insecurity about my
like dick size Cause when aroundother guys that are so much
bigger, I definitely get in myhead about like, oh, I should be
bigger.
People are going to want thatand I know that not everyone's
(13:22):
just into like gigantic dicks.
Um and it's so easy for me tolike encourage other people and
be like who cares.
Jeremy (13:31):
Just be yourself, um.
Alex (13:33):
but the honest truth is, the narrative that happens in my
head is um.
Jeremy (13:38):
I'm way harsher on myself, for sure, oh yeah, yeah,
I think we're all our own worstcritic.
Yeah, I think we're all our ownworst critic, yeah.
So I think we all kind of fallvictim to that, because I do try
to lift up people as well, butyou kind of have to be your own
champion.
And in order for me to validateyou, I need to say like it's
(14:04):
not all about size.
I personally am not veryinvested in how big a man's
penis is.
I honestly find if a guy is bigand he has like a like what you
, what people, would term aslike a smaller than average, I
(14:24):
find it hot.
So it's like that oppositewhere cause it's like like again
the juxtaposition yeah, um, andI think it's.
I think it's like interestingand endearing and sexy.
It's not, um, it's not about.
For me, it's not about the sizeand yeah, it just never has
(14:46):
been, because I can relate, Ithink all men can relate to is
like am I big enough?
Alex (14:55):
yeah, I've talked to porn stars that are like it's not big
enough, and I'm like girl, howbig do you want that to be?
You're gonna need another pantleg.
So are you sure it's not?
Jeremy (15:07):
yeah, sure it's not big enough.
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I don'tthink you need to be worried
about it.
Thank you, okay, I will takeoff my shirt.
Alex (15:15):
I feel very validated and can I give you a hug because
that was very like veryvalidating.
Thank you, of course.
All right.
Next question I want to knowthis is not a I don't know if
it's that vulnerable, but let'sdo a lighthearted one.
What's your favorite part aboutyour body?
Jeremy (15:36):
Hmm, that's okay.
Favorite because of what like?
Is there a specific reason?
Alex (15:43):
No, just something that you're like.
I like this about my body.
Jeremy (15:48):
Um, I think body, um I think okay, it's gonna sound
stupid, that's okay, um my noseyeah yeah, you do have a very
like perfectly symmetrical nose.
Alex (16:04):
It's a very nice nose, my nose reminds me of my mom.
Jeremy (16:08):
Oh, like we pretty much have like the same nose and it's
kind of like round and um, yeah, I like it just.
It kind of makes me feelconnected to my family yeah, I
think it's cute I love a cutenose yay, I love it.
Alex (16:22):
Okay, for that you just get to take off a sock, because
that wasn't like horriblypainful.
No, no, right, okay, samequestion.
I should be careful what I say.
It doesn't have to be horriblypainful to say in order for it
to be like a worthy, vulnerablechair.
Um so okay, let's see somethingI like about my body my thighs.
(16:45):
I got genetically blessedsomehow with like thighs are
very like, easy to to build.
Even though I'm tall and Idon't know, I love my meaty
thighs.
Jeremy (16:59):
No, they're fantastic yeah.
Alex (17:01):
Thank you.
That's also why I got thesetattoos here, cause I thought it
was a really fun place to likeshow them off.
Jeremy (17:06):
Yeah, um, yeah, there's also like more significance, but
you know story for another day.
Alex (17:12):
Okay, let's take off the socks, can we?
Can we?
That wasn't that sexy, allright, cool, do you want to make
up a question, or should I lookat my list?
Jeremy (17:25):
No, let's go, let's see what you have.
Okay, let's see.
Alex (17:36):
Okay, go, let's see what you have.
Okay, let's see.
Okay, what have you learnedrecently about your own?
Jeremy (17:40):
sexual pleasure, or your sexual, your sexuality, okay.
So, um, I have learned thatmore recently, like I do still
harbor internalized homophobiaand that has to go into the
aspect of topping and bottoming.
(18:01):
Okay, yeah, um, because I thinkthat would like my generation
of, like I'm, I'm 38, um, whereit's like when people say, oh,
I'm gay, but I'm not that gay,or I'm like, I'm not that kind
of gay, um, and I think that alot of that internalized
(18:22):
homophobia has, um, withheld mefrom exploring all aspects of
the gay experience, especiallywhen it comes like into the
bedroom.
So bottoming for me is stillsomething that I'm like working
to get into because I want, Iwant it all.
(18:43):
Like, why can't I have it all?
If I look at porn, I am notthinking less of the bottom, I
am not, you know, thinkinganything negative.
In fact, I kind of had to cometo that realization of like,
wait, I actually I'm jealous ofthat person you know, like I've
(19:04):
never had the eyes rolling inthe back of my head kind of like
oh, like that feeling, I meanyes, but not in that way
um, and like as a gay man, Iidentify as gay.
Um, I think it's important tokind of like when they, when
people talk about bottom shaming, like it's hard, it's work, it
(19:28):
takes a lot of preparation whichyou can say over and over, and
then when you have to do it,then you kind of realize like
wait, no, no, no, like this is askill, it's a learned skill, it
has to be practiced skill andyou kind of have to yeah, it's,
(19:49):
it's harder than it looks well,I just want to validate, like,
thank you for sharing that.
Alex (19:55):
I think that that's something that's really common
in the community and I justreally admire you for being
vulnerable here and speaking upand saying that, hey, this is
something that you're workingtowards and, um, yeah, just
appreciate that.
Well, done, done.
Thank you, you're welcome.
Do you want to take off yourother socks?
Do you want to take off yourpants?
What are you going to go for?
(20:15):
Let's?
I mean, you tell me what youwant.
Let's do socks first.
Why would we be just inunderwear and one sock?
Jeremy (20:24):
I mean, it could be a.
Thing.
Alex (20:26):
We could make it a.
Thing.
Jeremy (20:27):
We could totally make it a.
Thing.
Alex (20:31):
Okay, my thing that I have been working on and I think
that I've gotten a lot better at, is boundaries.
Sexually, I for a really longtime had a really hard time
saying no to things.
So if somebody else wanted totry something that I knew I
didn't want to do, I would justdo it to please them.
(20:51):
And then I would regret itafterwards and I would feel a
lot of shame and I would feel Iwould have like a really nasty
dialogue to myself about likewhy did you, why did you not
stand up for yourself, alex?
Like why did you let them dothat?
Or why did you agree to do thatwhen you knew you didn't want
to?
So, yeah, yeah, boundaries,telling people now and, um, yeah
(21:18):
, it also makes exploring newthings feel a whole lot safer.
Yes, when I know that I don'thave to do it and I can say you
know what?
I'm no longer feeling this atany moment, absolutely.
Jeremy (21:31):
Yeah, I mean you can say yes one moment and if you
decide to say you know, thisisn't feeling the way I want it
to, this is, I don't feelcomfortable, you have the right
to change your mind and vocalizethat and say, hey, I don't feel
comfortable with this, I'm notready for this.
Alex (21:48):
I thought I like I wanted to try something new.
It's just not the time.
Yeah, yes, well, thank you, Iappreciate that.
And with that, off comes socknumber two.
Oh, are my feet clean?
Um, okay, let's see.
What else do we have on thelist here?
(22:09):
Oh, okay, I really like thisone.
So I want to do that.
Okay, tell me your favoriteposition.
Without telling me yourfavorite position like describe
it, or like you can't say okay.
So if your favorite position isum reverse cowgirl, you can't
say reverse cowgirl, but you cantell, you can describe it, you
(22:30):
can describe what turns you onabout it, what you like about it
, how you feel in it.
Jeremy (22:35):
Yeah, okay, so I'm coming from the perspective of
the top, because that's where,yeah, the majority of my
experience being able to see aguy's chest move up and down
(22:55):
with each thrust I love beingable to kind of direct where the
legs are or where the feet are,if they're away from my face or
in my face or and being able tolike lean down and kiss and
(23:17):
hold and hug and you know, kindof like like grab the neck and
hold on a bit and like get that,you know what I mean.
Oh, I think I know what you mean, yeah.
Alex (23:30):
I've never had sex before.
Jeremy (23:32):
No, oh, you should try it.
Alex (23:34):
All right, show me after.
Okay, oh, my God, I'm picturingit.
Can you name the position?
I mean?
I think you're talking aboutmissionary.
Jeremy (23:45):
Yeah.
Alex (23:46):
I love missionary too.
I think it's overlooked it is.
Yeah, I mean it's overlooked itis.
We're just spreading the seedof the Lord.
If you believe in that sort ofthing, yes, okay, love it Hot.
Jeremy (24:05):
I think it is overlooked because it's so normal or basic
or whatever.
If it functions like, if itfunctions well, that's what I
want to do.
I don't think something needsto be overly complicated for it
to be sexy.
No, you know.
So it's like I like being faceto face, I like seeing the like,
the bottoms reaction and likeI'm going to base my actions off
(24:27):
of the reaction I'm getting.
If I'm not getting something,I'm not not doing what they want
, and it's kind of like okay,take the cue because it's not
all about me, yeah, yeah.
Alex (24:39):
Well, I love that.
I think what I really likeabout that, too, is the
connection and the intimacy thathappens, yes, when you're not
looking at each other in the eyeum.
Not that anything's wrong aboutus there are other positions
that are super hot but to me,there's this intimacy that
happens, this unspokenconnection and communication
(24:59):
that can happen just througheyesight alone.
Yes and um.
That's what I really like aboutum missionary as well.
So thank you for your share andthank you, thank you for um
heating all of our minds up.
Jeremy (25:15):
All right answer?
Oh, or are?
Alex (25:17):
you going to take off your pants?
Jeremy (25:18):
we're going to do it together no, well, you, I take
off mine, okay, you go for it,okay.
So let's see like this however,you want to.
Alex (25:30):
It's hard, it's hard.
I need your help.
Jeremy (25:32):
It's hard, not yet.
Alex (25:36):
Well, you were describing your favorite position, so it's
okay.
Jeremy (25:39):
I mean it might help me.
Alex (25:41):
What do you need help?
Okay, there you go, sir.
Yeah, all right, let's see.
Can we cuddle up like this,absolutely Okay.
My favorite position, which Ican't say the word okay it also
includes um, face to face.
There's eye contact I enjoy.
(26:02):
What I enjoy about thisposition is um, even though I'm
in a position of vulnerability,I am still.
I have some power in thisposition, I have some control
still and I can work all theangles that I need to to really
(26:25):
enjoy and pleasure myself thereand pleasure myself there.
And I really enjoy being ableto see the other guys' reactions
as I change angles or changespeeds or whatever.
Jeremy (26:41):
You're writing.
Alex (26:42):
Yes.
Jeremy (26:45):
You got it yes.
I like that one too, and Ithink it's a really good
position for the bottom to start.
Absolutely.
You have so much control and somuch power of like are you
going to be bent over more?
Are you going to be upright?
Are you going to lean back, youknow because and like, really
get it in there, yeah, and youcan control speed and all that
(27:09):
stuff.
Alex (27:09):
I feel like these tops that are like okay, let's go
right into doggy style havenever bottomed before.
No, no, no, Like I need amoment to warm up.
So, like the muscle, likephysically, needs a moment, Even
if it's not mentally, yes, butalso physically, we need to
stretch it out Like it's thewarm-up yeah you're gonna work.
(27:32):
If you're working out, youdon't just immediately lift 500
pounds absolutely not.
Jeremy (27:37):
No, you have to.
And uh, I, I, yeah, I get that,and trying to be more versed
has kind of helped me with thatI love it.
Alex (27:48):
Well, well, have you, have you written?
I have Okay, great, it's agreat position and I and I like
it.
I've actually like.
Jeremy (27:54):
I've gotten off to on like in that position, um as the
bottom, like a few times withmy partner Um, and I agree with
you, like being able to see thereaction so hot.
Alex (28:08):
yeah yeah, okay, I love it .
Are you gonna help me take offmine now?
Absolutely, we'll give them alittle show from the back I mean
who doesn't like it?
I don't know what do y'all think?
Huh, not today, I haven't.
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Alright, there we go.
Thank you, you're very welcome,let's see.
Well, you know I very muchenjoyed our conversation.
How about you?
I agree, yeah.
Yeah, we want to know from youall what your favorite part was
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and, um, what are you takingaway from this?
So let us know in the comments,for sure, what about you,
what's your favorite part ofthis experience.
Jeremy (29:00):
Um, um.
I think it's a unique thingI've never done before, and
being able to both likeemotionally kind of, and
physically be stripped down andbe vulnerable is empowering, and
to hear a different perspectiveis also really nice.
Alex (29:21):
I agree, I agree.
Jeremy (29:26):
Thank you.
Thank you for being here.
You're welcome.
Thank you, yeah psych y'all.
Alex (29:33):
We, we wanted to go all the way with you.
So we have one more question togo over.
Let's do it.
Let's do it, okay.
So final question, before youtake off your underwear and get
fully naked and vulnerable, whatis your essential turn on or
foreplay?
Jeremy (29:50):
I think for me, like the essential and initial turn on
is when someone knows themselvesso well and they can present
that, because I feel like a lotof people feel they need to
pretend or try to be what theythink the other person wants
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them to be.
And for me, like I don't know,I'm a big energy person and if
you are coming at meauthentically, it feels
different than a put on kind ofa show, yeah, and I don't want
to show yeah.
And I think for me, foreplay islike the you know, the, the
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light brush, the, the soft touch, the, the handholding, the
kissing, you know, and like youcan kind of know how well the
chemistry is going to be basedoff of a kiss, absolutely.
So for me it's like if thisgoes well, we can you know, and
if not, I'm really tired, I'vegot to go, I got to get up early
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tomorrow.
Alex (31:03):
I forgot.
Jeremy (31:04):
Oh my.
Alex (31:04):
God yeah, I forgot, oh my god.
Jeremy (31:07):
Yeah, I have a funeral to go to In the middle of the
night.
Alex (31:11):
Yeah, that's what she wanted.
Jeremy (31:14):
Respect the wishes.
Alex (31:15):
Yeah, I hope they respect mine.
Yeah, love that.
Alright, mister.
Alright, you ready?
It's time for that final layer.
Jeremy (31:23):
Yes, so this way, or have Mr All right you ready for
that final area.
Alex (31:35):
Let's get some booty for you to look at.
Y'all, look at that.
All right, now you can lay downand we'll take them off.
Okay, here you go.
I also.
By the way, pa is such a bigturn on to me, oh is it I do?
I love Pierce, so thank you forthat.
Oh, let me not cover youalright.
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My biggest foreplay turn on ismaking out, which is very
similar reasons that you saidwhen a kiss to me is that first
moment of intimacy where you gotto, um, really kind of.
I can judge people's energy somuch better with that.
(32:19):
Also, if they suck at makingout, like it's really difficult
for me to like keep going Ifthey're getting like teethy, or
this one time I had a guy thatlike woodpeckered me.
Jeremy (32:33):
Just no, you're lying Like as like intentionally, like
for real.
Alex (32:40):
And I was like what are you Stop?
And I was trying to like slip,slip, let's get a little tongue,
let's go.
No, that man just, all lip,just, and it ruined the
experience for me he thoughtthat was good, that was like his
legit, oh yeah he was really,really trying hard.
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So if you're out there,whatever your name was, it was
bad.
Don't do that anymore this wasyears ago I did not have the
courage to tell whatever hisname was.
To slow the fuck down.
Jeremy (33:15):
So I just like without speaking.
Alex (33:18):
It tried to get him to.
He didn't get the message.
It didn't work, oh wow.
Jeremy (33:24):
That's unfortunate.
Yeah, because sometimes you dowant to give them the clues and
the hints, and when they're notbeing picked up.
Alex (33:33):
it's hard, it is hard.
I have found now speaking upand saying it directly can work,
and I appreciate that fromother people, so why would they
not appreciate it from me?
Yes, but that is scary anduncomfortable, and it's only
something in recent years thatI've really gotten significantly
better at not perfect by anymeans, but better.
(33:55):
Good, I'm glad to hear that.
Yeah, all right, my turn, yourturn.
Yeah, okay, let's see they canhave a little show.
Oh, all of this, yes, all ofthis, all of it.
Alright, I know you can help me.
This is a very familiarposition for me.
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Oh, I know, right, you're likeoh, you can control their feet.
Oh, okay, that's stuck.
Jeremy (34:25):
Yes, oh, there's nothing wrong here.
Okay, that'll suck.
Alex (34:26):
Yes, oh, there's nothing wrong here, thank you thank you
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giving me my turn on and all thethings oh, here we are, just
two naked homosexuals with ourdicks out, just talking about
authenticity yeah yeah, it'snormal, this is, this is the new
normal.
Jeremy (35:05):
Don't you find that, like when you talk to like a
partner or someone, the mostauthentic conversation happens
naked?
Alex (35:14):
Yes, so we want you to try it out for yourselves and again
, seriously, let us know in thecomments what worked for you and
what you enjoyed about thisvideo.
Jeremy (35:25):
Yeah.
Alex (35:26):
Yeah, any final thoughts?
Jeremy (35:28):
I just want to say thank you, you're welcome.
Alex (35:30):
Thank you for popping my cherry, Thank you for popping
mine too.
We're both virgins.
I don't think we've ever donethis before, so I think we did
something cool and unique here,I think so, yeah, yeah, all
right, y'all, we'll see youlater.
Bye, bye, thank you, thank you,bye, bye, everyone.
Hello, hello my unicorns, welcome back.
Oh my god, it's been six, sevenmonths, I guess, since I last
released any podcast episodesfor you all.
I'm really excited to start thevery first episode today, with
Jeremy, of the new Naked series,where we are getting naked
literally and figuratively,getting vulnerable, talking
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about insecurity, and I'm reallyhonored that you were my, or
are my first guest for this show.
Jeremy (00:28):
Thank you, I am very honored that you asked me.
I really appreciate it.
Alex (00:31):
Of course Okay.
So I think we should do.
We want to tell everyone how wemet, cause that is kind of fine
, it's just.
It's not a big story, it's justfunny Okay.
So my very first pride here.
I was walking around and I knewthat I wanted to start go-go
dancing and bumped into Jeremywho was looking sexy, dancing on
the box out in the middle ofthe street Shaking his thang,
(00:56):
and I was like hi, I'm Alex, canwe follow each other on
Instagram?
Because I'm new here and I wantto start go-go dancing and I
want tips.
Jeremy (01:09):
That's how I remember it .
Yeah it, yeah, I mean it'spretty accurate.
It's not much more to like heybitch, I want some money.
How do I do this?
Alex (01:16):
got any tips on stripping down to my underwear and just
dancing for everyone?
Jeremy (01:20):
yeah, you just take clothes off, get on a box and
move.
Alex (01:23):
It's super easy it's, but you also have you taken dance
lessons before, or something?
Jeremy (01:28):
I was a professional dancer for like 14 years.
Okay, well, that explains it.
Alex (01:32):
Yeah yeah, because, like you, I think you really set the
bar pretty high here.
I think that's full.
You're full of shit for thatone.
No, when you dance, you dancewith like it looks like real
moves.
Jeremy (01:45):
I feel like when I dance I'm just like this feels nice
you're like I like the way this,let's go with that one right,
it might look bad but it feelsnice to me, so I've seen you
dance.
Alex (01:56):
It doesn't look bad okay thank you, I didn't.
Yeah, I'm not.
I mean like general, I have noidea if it's like great or not,
I just know that it feels good.
Jeremy (02:09):
Yeah, I mean it should feel good to you at least.
Yeah, I think if you feel goodand you feel comfortable, other
people are going to feelcomfortable.
Okay, so number one of the daythere you go.
If you feel if you feel, if youfeel good and you feel
comfortable, other people, Ifeel like in our heads we want,
we think people want us to failor like fall on our face.
(02:31):
But really it's kind of like um, it's like a public speaking
class.
You want the person to be good,so then you don't have to sit
there and cringe.
It's like the the same thing,you know, like, oh, if they're
good, I can just relax and we'regood, and so I think that kind
of translates into dance as well.
Alex (02:51):
One of the things I think that you have done really well,
that I've seen you do, isconnect with the audience really
well.
Yeah, Because I know when we'vedanced at Moe's before you've
had people that like come therebecause they want to see you.
Jeremy (03:06):
Yeah, I mean, there's kind of, when you do it for a
while, you end up getting yourregulars, and I think that
that's an important aspect thatpeople don't tend to think about
when they go into it.
It's like they they fall inlove with you, for you, and it's
also like taking the time tolike show appreciation for the
(03:28):
tip you know, like hey, thankyou, I really appreciate it,
like what's your name?
And kind of being a little bitmore, it's not just dance, you
know yeah.
I think it's like that, growingthat interpersonal relationship
in that short period of time.
Alex (03:44):
Yeah, it works.
Jeremy (03:45):
I think yeah, it works.
I think, yeah, definitely.
Alex (03:48):
What lessons do you have you learned through go-go
dancing?
About being confident, being infront of people.
That could apply to anyone.
Jeremy (03:58):
Um, I think the the thing that I've learned the most
is kind of like get out of yourown head.
You know, like you kind ofstand in your own way and you
put limitations on yourself andthere are times where like, oh,
I had a really big meal orsomething and I don't feel
confident up here, but that'sall, like it's all inside.
(04:22):
You know the calls coming frominside the house and you kind of
just have to be like no, I'mnot doing that and push forward.
Searching for that validation.
Alex (04:30):
Yes, that can be really easy on, like Grindr or any of
the apps to get a quickvalidation through sending a
nude or receiving a nude or justbeing quick and flirtatious.
But and that's great, you don'tneed to stop that.
But also there's a differentkind of satisfaction that comes
with being yourself and havingpeople notice and appreciate
(04:54):
that, and you can't get that ifyou are not willing to do the
most uncomfortable thing ofbeing vulnerable and authentic,
1000%.
Jeremy (05:03):
I fully, wholeheartedly agree with you.
I danced with the?
Um RuPaul's drag race work, theworld Queens Cool Um on tour
and we went to Europe for likethree months and, um, we had an
opportunity to dance at the uhWembley arena.
So there's like over 8 000people there screaming fans,
(05:28):
like it was like, uh, such anamazing experience and part of
that was because in my dancecareer in la, you know the
agents, the people booking, thechoreographers, the assistants
everyone is kind of telling thegay men butchch it up, you know,
make it more masculine.
(05:48):
Um, cause, a lot of what you doat auditions is you learn you
know eight, eight counts orsomething, um, and then they
want you to freestyle.
So it's like, can you do whatwe want you to do and then show
us who you are?
But if yourself is feminine oran aspect of it, um, you know, a
lot of times you end up gettingcut, even if you did the
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choreography perfectly.
And when I was on tour withwith work the world, I was in
fucking like pink patent leatherheels, yeah, like these massive
shoulders, like wearing thingsthat I personally in my own
daily life would never wear.
But it was a celebration oflike different and a homosexual
(06:30):
like homosexuality, uh, justlike unapologetically gay and
out there and like kind of inyour face.
Alex (06:39):
Yeah.
Jeremy (06:40):
And there was an aspect of the show, um, you know, at
the end each dancer kind ofcomes out and you know, at the
end each dancer kind of comesout and you know everyone's here
to see these queens that arelike famous.
But I came out and like I do,like I can flip, so I would
tumble or whatever, cool, okay.
And then you know people wouldlike go, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then, like I would justlike look and like go, like you
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know, and 8,000 plus people Iget chills thinking about it.
Oh, my god, you've gotgoosebumps.
But I went behind.
That was kind of towards theend of the show and after the
curtain went down I just wentbackstage and like wept, and it
was just one of those things oflike.
I will never have thisopportunity to do this ever
again, to perform in a show.
That is one of those things oflike.
I will never have thisopportunity to do this ever
again.
To perform in a show that iscelebrating who I am
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authentically and for me topresent in a way that is so
authentic and be celebrated forit and make money while doing it
like good money, um, and Ithink that that's like one of
those moments that I will takewith me.
I never thought that I wouldsee this day.
This is the day when I was akid in my mirror.
You know, looking and beinglike this is what I want to do
(07:53):
with my life like it finallyhappened, yeah, so that was like
yeah, thank you for sharingthat it was pretty cool.
That's really special.
It was really special from myperspective as an audience
member.
I love to see it like show methe duality.
Like, yes, I can see physicallyyou are a tall, masculine
looking person, sure, but if youcan express something different
(08:18):
, that juxtaposition is reallynice sometimes and I think
having that duality is reallycool, okay, so now um, let's get
.
Alex (08:30):
Let's get to the naked part of the episode okay, all
right.
So the way this game is goingto work is we are going to first
survey, sharing something, umthat we feel insecure about,
then the other person is goingto take a moment to validate us,
and then we'll take off anarticle of clothing.
So we're kind of flipping thewhole like strip poker.
(08:52):
Stripping is not the punishmenthere, it's the, it's the gift,
it's the benefit.
Surprise, we get to be morenaked and vulnerable with each
other and with you all.
Yes, so, um, would you, do youwant to go first or second?
I'll be bold, I'll go first.
Okay, great.
What's one thing that you havebeen insecure about or are
(09:12):
insecure about?
Jeremy (09:16):
Let's see, I think, my size, of my stature, I'm a very
average height, I'm five footnine and um, you know, I've
heard girls, I've heard guystalk about, oh, I need a guy
that's like six foot, six foottwo, you know, and kind of not
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feeling enough in that sense andcoming into the realization
that like I don't need to be, Idon't need to be a certain thing
to get the attention of peoplethat I also have an attraction
to Um and it doesn't make thatthose things are not going to
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make me feel more powerful.
And I think that's such a goodpoint, Like and I think you know
we always think grass is alwaysgreener.
But the good thing is, liketall people like you can go to
the gym just as much as me, butyour muscles are longer, so
you're always going to lookleaner.
Yeah, and I am five foot nine.
We can gain the same amount ofweight, but mine are shorter and
(10:20):
they're going to stick out more.
And, like being a skinny kid, Iwas like 140.
Alex (10:25):
Oh yeah, I was super skinny too.
Yeah yeah, skinny kids unite.
We're so oppressed.
I honestly did feel veryinsecure about being skinny too,
because I was like, what arepeople going to?
I thought that my lack ofconfidence was because I wasn't
(10:45):
physically strong and I feltlike, oh well, if I look
physically weak and I am maybephysically weak, then I'm.
Jeremy (10:52):
That's why I'm insecure it wasn't.
Alex (10:54):
I got really strong.
Jeremy (10:55):
It didn't change anything yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm
just saying like I stillvisualize myself in my head as
that skinny kid which is.
I think it's good honestly likeremember where you came from,
kind of a thing.
Alex (11:08):
I think that was very valid and also here's the part
where I get to validate you.
Now, okay, I want to say that,though maybe you're physically
shorter than I am, you you havea presence about you and when
you're in a room I I have never,ever thought you know, he's
kind of small like you have avery um that you just you take
(11:33):
up space in a way that's reallyconfident and authentic and um
empowering.
So maybe physically, but notnot spiritually, mentally,
emotionally, you're a big boy.
Jeremy (11:47):
I will take that.
Alex (11:48):
I will absolutely take that okay, all right, so you all
can actually just pausing usreal quick you all can practice
this at home with a friend, witha partner, with a partner with
a lover, whoever.
It's so healthy to be honestand forthcoming about our
insecurities, and if that personcannot validate you, they're
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probably not a safe person foryou.
If they can validate you, thenthat's evidence that you can
trust them to go deeper, thatyou can be more vulnerable with
them.
but we first start by littlevulnerability validation, and
then we can get more vulnerable,and that's why I invented this
game this way 10 minutes agojust on the spot, you just want
(12:35):
me to take my clothes off.
I just want you to take yourclothes off, so what do you want
to take off first?
Okay well, let's do this, let'sdo the shirts.
Here we go.
I've seen that before.
Look at my Instagram.
Um, okay, well let's do this.
Jeremy (12:46):
Let's do the shirts.
Here we go.
Okay, I've seen that before.
Who hasn't Look at my Instagram?
Alex (12:51):
Right, okay, cool.
So now I have to answer thesame question.
What am I insecure about?
Jeremy (12:57):
Hmm, hmm.
Alex (13:00):
Okay If we're going to go physical.
I think the honest truth is Istill have insecurity about my
like dick size Cause when aroundother guys that are so much
bigger, I definitely get in myhead about like, oh, I should be
bigger.
People are going to want thatand I know that not everyone's
(13:22):
just into like gigantic dicks.
Um and it's so easy for me tolike encourage other people and
be like who cares.
Jeremy (13:31):
Just be yourself, um.
Alex (13:33):
but the honest truth is, the narrative that happens in my
head is um.
Jeremy (13:38):
I'm way harsher on myself, for sure, oh yeah, yeah,
I think we're all our own worstcritic.
Yeah, I think we're all our ownworst critic, yeah.
So I think we all kind of fallvictim to that, because I do try
to lift up people as well, butyou kind of have to be your own
champion.
And in order for me to validateyou, I need to say like it's
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not all about size.
I personally am not veryinvested in how big a man's
penis is.
I honestly find if a guy is bigand he has like a like what you
, what people, would term aslike a smaller than average, I
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find it hot.
So it's like that oppositewhere cause it's like like again
the juxtaposition yeah, um, andI think it's.
I think it's like interestingand endearing and sexy.
It's not, um, it's not about.
For me, it's not about the sizeand yeah, it just never has
(14:46):
been, because I can relate, Ithink all men can relate to is
like am I big enough?
Alex (14:55):
yeah, I've talked to porn stars that are like it's not big
enough, and I'm like girl, howbig do you want that to be?
You're gonna need another pantleg.
So are you sure it's not?
Jeremy (15:07):
yeah, sure it's not big enough.
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I don'tthink you need to be worried
about it.
Thank you, okay, I will takeoff my shirt.
Alex (15:15):
I feel very validated and can I give you a hug because
that was very like veryvalidating.
Thank you, of course.
All right.
Next question I want to knowthis is not a I don't know if
it's that vulnerable, but let'sdo a lighthearted one.
What's your favorite part aboutyour body?
Jeremy (15:36):
Hmm, that's okay.
Favorite because of what like?
Is there a specific reason?
Alex (15:43):
No, just something that you're like.
I like this about my body.
Jeremy (15:48):
Um, I think body, um I think okay, it's gonna sound
stupid, that's okay, um my noseyeah yeah, you do have a very
like perfectly symmetrical nose.
Alex (16:04):
It's a very nice nose, my nose reminds me of my mom.
Jeremy (16:08):
Oh, like we pretty much have like the same nose and it's
kind of like round and um, yeah, I like it just.
It kind of makes me feelconnected to my family yeah, I
think it's cute I love a cutenose yay, I love it.
Alex (16:22):
Okay, for that you just get to take off a sock, because
that wasn't like horriblypainful.
No, no, right, okay, samequestion.
I should be careful what I say.
It doesn't have to be horriblypainful to say in order for it
to be like a worthy, vulnerablechair.
Um so okay, let's see somethingI like about my body my thighs.
(16:45):
I got genetically blessedsomehow with like thighs are
very like, easy to to build.
Even though I'm tall and Idon't know, I love my meaty
thighs.
Jeremy (16:59):
No, they're fantastic yeah.
Alex (17:01):
Thank you.
That's also why I got thesetattoos here, cause I thought it
was a really fun place to likeshow them off.
Jeremy (17:06):
Yeah, um, yeah, there's also like more significance, but
you know story for another day.
Alex (17:12):
Okay, let's take off the socks, can we?
Can we?
That wasn't that sexy, allright, cool, do you want to make
up a question, or should I lookat my list?
Jeremy (17:25):
No, let's go, let's see what you have.
Okay, let's see.
Alex (17:36):
Okay, go, let's see what you have.
Okay, let's see.
Okay, what have you learnedrecently about your own?
Jeremy (17:40):
sexual pleasure, or your sexual, your sexuality, okay.
So, um, I have learned thatmore recently, like I do still
harbor internalized homophobiaand that has to go into the
aspect of topping and bottoming.
(18:01):
Okay, yeah, um, because I thinkthat would like my generation
of, like I'm, I'm 38, um, whereit's like when people say, oh,
I'm gay, but I'm not that gay,or I'm like, I'm not that kind
of gay, um, and I think that alot of that internalized
(18:22):
homophobia has, um, withheld mefrom exploring all aspects of
the gay experience, especiallywhen it comes like into the
bedroom.
So bottoming for me is stillsomething that I'm like working
to get into because I want, Iwant it all.
(18:43):
Like, why can't I have it all?
If I look at porn, I am notthinking less of the bottom, I
am not, you know, thinkinganything negative.
In fact, I kind of had to cometo that realization of like,
wait, I actually I'm jealous ofthat person you know, like I've
(19:04):
never had the eyes rolling inthe back of my head kind of like
oh, like that feeling, I meanyes, but not in that way
um, and like as a gay man, Iidentify as gay.
Um, I think it's important tokind of like when they, when
people talk about bottom shaming, like it's hard, it's work, it
(19:28):
takes a lot of preparation whichyou can say over and over, and
then when you have to do it,then you kind of realize like
wait, no, no, no, like this is askill, it's a learned skill, it
has to be practiced skill andyou kind of have to yeah, it's,
(19:49):
it's harder than it looks well,I just want to validate, like,
thank you for sharing that.
Alex (19:55):
I think that that's something that's really common
in the community and I justreally admire you for being
vulnerable here and speaking upand saying that, hey, this is
something that you're workingtowards and, um, yeah, just
appreciate that.
Well, done, done.
Thank you, you're welcome.
Do you want to take off yourother socks?
Do you want to take off yourpants?
What are you going to go for?
(20:15):
Let's?
I mean, you tell me what youwant.
Let's do socks first.
Why would we be just inunderwear and one sock?
Jeremy (20:24):
I mean, it could be a.
Thing.
Alex (20:26):
We could make it a.
Thing.
Jeremy (20:27):
We could totally make it a.
Thing.
Alex (20:31):
Okay, my thing that I have been working on and I think
that I've gotten a lot better at, is boundaries.
Sexually, I for a really longtime had a really hard time
saying no to things.
So if somebody else wanted totry something that I knew I
didn't want to do, I would justdo it to please them.
(20:51):
And then I would regret itafterwards and I would feel a
lot of shame and I would feel Iwould have like a really nasty
dialogue to myself about likewhy did you, why did you not
stand up for yourself, alex?
Like why did you let them dothat?
Or why did you agree to do thatwhen you knew you didn't want
to?
So, yeah, yeah, boundaries,telling people now and, um, yeah
(21:18):
, it also makes exploring newthings feel a whole lot safer.
Yes, when I know that I don'thave to do it and I can say you
know what?
I'm no longer feeling this atany moment, absolutely.
Jeremy (21:31):
Yeah, I mean you can say yes one moment and if you
decide to say you know, thisisn't feeling the way I want it
to, this is, I don't feelcomfortable, you have the right
to change your mind and vocalizethat and say, hey, I don't feel
comfortable with this, I'm notready for this.
Alex (21:48):
I thought I like I wanted to try something new.
It's just not the time.
Yeah, yes, well, thank you, Iappreciate that.
And with that, off comes socknumber two.
Oh, are my feet clean?
Um, okay, let's see.
What else do we have on thelist here?
(22:09):
Oh, okay, I really like thisone.
So I want to do that.
Okay, tell me your favoriteposition.
Without telling me yourfavorite position like describe
it, or like you can't say okay.
So if your favorite position isum reverse cowgirl, you can't
say reverse cowgirl, but you cantell, you can describe it, you
(22:30):
can describe what turns you onabout it, what you like about it
, how you feel in it.
Jeremy (22:35):
Yeah, okay, so I'm coming from the perspective of
the top, because that's where,yeah, the majority of my
experience being able to see aguy's chest move up and down
(22:55):
with each thrust I love beingable to kind of direct where the
legs are or where the feet are,if they're away from my face or
in my face or and being able tolike lean down and kiss and
(23:17):
hold and hug and you know, kindof like like grab the neck and
hold on a bit and like get that,you know what I mean.
Oh, I think I know what you mean, yeah.
Alex (23:30):
I've never had sex before.
Jeremy (23:32):
No, oh, you should try it.
Alex (23:34):
All right, show me after.
Okay, oh, my God, I'm picturingit.
Can you name the position?
I mean?
I think you're talking aboutmissionary.
Jeremy (23:45):
Yeah.
Alex (23:46):
I love missionary too.
I think it's overlooked it is.
Yeah, I mean it's overlooked itis.
We're just spreading the seedof the Lord.
If you believe in that sort ofthing, yes, okay, love it Hot.
Jeremy (24:05):
I think it is overlooked because it's so normal or basic
or whatever.
If it functions like, if itfunctions well, that's what I
want to do.
I don't think something needsto be overly complicated for it
to be sexy.
No, you know.
So it's like I like being faceto face, I like seeing the like,
the bottoms reaction and likeI'm going to base my actions off
(24:27):
of the reaction I'm getting.
If I'm not getting something,I'm not not doing what they want
, and it's kind of like okay,take the cue because it's not
all about me, yeah, yeah.
Alex (24:39):
Well, I love that.
I think what I really likeabout that, too, is the
connection and the intimacy thathappens, yes, when you're not
looking at each other in the eyeum.
Not that anything's wrong aboutus there are other positions
that are super hot but to me,there's this intimacy that
happens, this unspokenconnection and communication
(24:59):
that can happen just througheyesight alone.
Yes and um.
That's what I really like aboutum missionary as well.
So thank you for your share andthank you, thank you for um
heating all of our minds up.
Jeremy (25:15):
All right answer?
Oh, or are?
Alex (25:17):
you going to take off your pants?
Jeremy (25:18):
we're going to do it together no, well, you, I take
off mine, okay, you go for it,okay.
So let's see like this however,you want to.
Alex (25:30):
It's hard, it's hard.
I need your help.
Jeremy (25:32):
It's hard, not yet.
Alex (25:36):
Well, you were describing your favorite position, so it's
okay.
Jeremy (25:39):
I mean it might help me.
Alex (25:41):
What do you need help?
Okay, there you go, sir.
Yeah, all right, let's see.
Can we cuddle up like this,absolutely Okay.
My favorite position, which Ican't say the word okay it also
includes um, face to face.
There's eye contact I enjoy.
(26:02):
What I enjoy about thisposition is um, even though I'm
in a position of vulnerability,I am still.
I have some power in thisposition, I have some control
still and I can work all theangles that I need to to really
(26:25):
enjoy and pleasure myself thereand pleasure myself there.
And I really enjoy being ableto see the other guys' reactions
as I change angles or changespeeds or whatever.
Jeremy (26:41):
You're writing.
Alex (26:42):
Yes.
Jeremy (26:45):
You got it yes.
I like that one too, and Ithink it's a really good
position for the bottom to start.
Absolutely.
You have so much control and somuch power of like are you
going to be bent over more?
Are you going to be upright?
Are you going to lean back, youknow because and like, really
get it in there, yeah, and youcan control speed and all that
(27:09):
stuff.
Alex (27:09):
I feel like these tops that are like okay, let's go
right into doggy style havenever bottomed before.
No, no, no, Like I need amoment to warm up.
So, like the muscle, likephysically, needs a moment, Even
if it's not mentally, yes, butalso physically, we need to
stretch it out Like it's thewarm-up yeah you're gonna work.
(27:32):
If you're working out, youdon't just immediately lift 500
pounds absolutely not.
Jeremy (27:37):
No, you have to.
And uh, I, I, yeah, I get that,and trying to be more versed
has kind of helped me with thatI love it.
Alex (27:48):
Well, well, have you, have you written?
I have Okay, great, it's agreat position and I and I like
it.
I've actually like.
Jeremy (27:54):
I've gotten off to on like in that position, um as the
bottom, like a few times withmy partner Um, and I agree with
you, like being able to see thereaction so hot.
Alex (28:08):
yeah yeah, okay, I love it .
Are you gonna help me take offmine now?
Absolutely, we'll give them alittle show from the back I mean
who doesn't like it?
I don't know what do y'all think?
Huh, not today, I haven't.
(28:30):
Alright, there we go.
Thank you, you're very welcome,let's see.
Well, you know I very muchenjoyed our conversation.
How about you?
I agree, yeah.
Yeah, we want to know from youall what your favorite part was
(28:53):
and, um, what are you takingaway from this?
So let us know in the comments,for sure, what about you,
what's your favorite part ofthis experience.
Jeremy (29:00):
Um, um.
I think it's a unique thingI've never done before, and
being able to both likeemotionally kind of, and
physically be stripped down andbe vulnerable is empowering, and
to hear a different perspectiveis also really nice.
Alex (29:21):
I agree, I agree.
Jeremy (29:26):
Thank you.
Thank you for being here.
You're welcome.
Thank you, yeah psych y'all.
Alex (29:33):
We, we wanted to go all the way with you.
So we have one more question togo over.
Let's do it.
Let's do it, okay.
So final question, before youtake off your underwear and get
fully naked and vulnerable, whatis your essential turn on or
foreplay?
Jeremy (29:50):
I think for me, like the essential and initial turn on
is when someone knows themselvesso well and they can present
that, because I feel like a lotof people feel they need to
pretend or try to be what theythink the other person wants
(30:10):
them to be.
And for me, like I don't know,I'm a big energy person and if
you are coming at meauthentically, it feels
different than a put on kind ofa show, yeah, and I don't want
to show yeah.
And I think for me, foreplay islike the you know, the, the
(30:36):
light brush, the, the soft touch, the, the handholding, the
kissing, you know, and like youcan kind of know how well the
chemistry is going to be basedoff of a kiss, absolutely.
So for me it's like if thisgoes well, we can you know, and
if not, I'm really tired, I'vegot to go, I got to get up early
(31:01):
tomorrow.
Alex (31:03):
I forgot.
Jeremy (31:04):
Oh my.
Alex (31:04):
God yeah, I forgot, oh my god.
Jeremy (31:07):
Yeah, I have a funeral to go to In the middle of the
night.
Alex (31:11):
Yeah, that's what she wanted.
Jeremy (31:14):
Respect the wishes.
Alex (31:15):
Yeah, I hope they respect mine.
Yeah, love that.
Alright, mister.
Alright, you ready?
It's time for that final layer.
Jeremy (31:23):
Yes, so this way, or have Mr All right you ready for
that final area.
Alex (31:35):
Let's get some booty for you to look at.
Y'all, look at that.
All right, now you can lay downand we'll take them off.
Okay, here you go.
I also.
By the way, pa is such a bigturn on to me, oh is it I do?
I love Pierce, so thank you forthat.
Oh, let me not cover youalright.
(31:59):
My biggest foreplay turn on ismaking out, which is very
similar reasons that you saidwhen a kiss to me is that first
moment of intimacy where you gotto, um, really kind of.
I can judge people's energy somuch better with that.
(32:19):
Also, if they suck at makingout, like it's really difficult
for me to like keep going Ifthey're getting like teethy, or
this one time I had a guy thatlike woodpeckered me.
Jeremy (32:33):
Just no, you're lying Like as like intentionally, like
for real.
Alex (32:40):
And I was like what are you Stop?
And I was trying to like slip,slip, let's get a little tongue,
let's go.
No, that man just, all lip,just, and it ruined the
experience for me he thoughtthat was good, that was like his
legit, oh yeah he was really,really trying hard.
(33:01):
So if you're out there,whatever your name was, it was
bad.
Don't do that anymore this wasyears ago I did not have the
courage to tell whatever hisname was.
To slow the fuck down.
Jeremy (33:15):
So I just like without speaking.
Alex (33:18):
It tried to get him to.
He didn't get the message.
It didn't work, oh wow.
Jeremy (33:24):
That's unfortunate.
Yeah, because sometimes you dowant to give them the clues and
the hints, and when they're notbeing picked up.
Alex (33:33):
it's hard, it is hard.
I have found now speaking upand saying it directly can work,
and I appreciate that fromother people, so why would they
not appreciate it from me?
Yes, but that is scary anduncomfortable, and it's only
something in recent years thatI've really gotten significantly
better at not perfect by anymeans, but better.
(33:55):
Good, I'm glad to hear that.
Yeah, all right, my turn, yourturn.
Yeah, okay, let's see they canhave a little show.
Oh, all of this, yes, all ofthis, all of it.
Alright, I know you can help me.
This is a very familiarposition for me.
(34:17):
Oh, I know, right, you're likeoh, you can control their feet.
Oh, okay, that's stuck.
Jeremy (34:25):
Yes, oh, there's nothing wrong here.
Okay, that'll suck.
Alex (34:26):
Yes, oh, there's nothing wrong here, thank you thank you
(34:49):
giving me my turn on and all thethings oh, here we are, just
two naked homosexuals with ourdicks out, just talking about
authenticity yeah yeah, it'snormal, this is, this is the new
normal.
Jeremy (35:05):
Don't you find that, like when you talk to like a
partner or someone, the mostauthentic conversation happens
naked?
Alex (35:14):
Yes, so we want you to try it out for yourselves and again
, seriously, let us know in thecomments what worked for you and
what you enjoyed about thisvideo.
Jeremy (35:25):
Yeah.
Alex (35:26):
Yeah, any final thoughts?
Jeremy (35:28):
I just want to say thank you, you're welcome.
Alex (35:30):
Thank you for popping my cherry, Thank you for popping
mine too.
We're both virgins.
I don't think we've ever donethis before, so I think we did
something cool and unique here,I think so, yeah, yeah, all
right, y'all, we'll see youlater.
Bye, bye, thank you, thank you,bye, bye, everyone.
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