May 29, 2025 • 26 mins
Craig Cunningham has lived and worked all over the world—from Boston to Beijing, luxury hotels to marketing boardrooms—but nothing captured his heart like Santa Fe. In this episode, Bunny sits down with her friend and teammate Craig to explore how this vibrant city full of color, culture, and curiosity became home.
From the moment he laid eyes on Santa Fe’s adobe architecture to his current life as a top-producing real estate pro, Craig shares what makes the City Different so unforgettable. You’ll hear about his favorite neighborhoods, hidden restaurant gems, must-see art spots, and how Santa Fe quietly invites you to live with purpose, joy, and a sense of place.
Whether you’re a visitor, a dreamer, or someone who’s already fallen under Santa Fe’s spell, this episode will leave you feeling inspired to see the city—maybe even your own neighborhood—through new eyes.
🎧 Plus, don’t miss the word of the day, stories about deer outside the window, and Craig’s pick for the best taco in town.
Original Music by: Kene Terry
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Bunny (00:00):
Here we are.
Craig (00:01):
Hi Bunny.
Bunny (00:02):
I'm so excited.
I'm excited
Craig (00:03):
to be here too.
Bunny (00:04):
I'm so excited.
Welcome to the Real Santa Fepodcast.
Ooh.
So I wanna let our guests knowthat today they're gonna meet
somebody who sees Santa Fe in away.
Few people do.
And I think Craig, that's mostlybecause of.
The amount of traveling you'vedone mm-hmm.
Your entire life.
Um, my friend and my teammate,Craig Cunningham, has lived all
(00:27):
over the country and traveledall over the world because of
this incredible background inmarketing.
Craig (00:33):
Yes.
Yeah.
I was very lucky.
Well, so my story is I was bornin Connecticut.
Mm-hmm.
And we moved to Dallas when Iwas 10.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and then I have lived.
Two times in Boston, in theeighties and in the two
thousands.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and my job, I was very lucky to have a job in
hotel marketing.
(00:54):
So I traveled to Europe, uh,north and all over North
America, south America, and eventhe far East.
So the, that's an old fashionedterm, the far east.
I was in China.
Um, so I've been very lucky.
And then I've been able to callSanta Fe home for the last six
years.
Bunny (01:12):
And Vista stood there a lot before, right?
Craig (01:14):
Yes.
I have been coming to Santa Fe,like a lot of folks who, uh,
grew up in Texas, we love tocome to Santa Fe because it's a,
it's pretty darn easy to get to,uh, either driving or flying
right into Santa Fe.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and uh, we love to come inthe summertime to get out of the
Texas heat and also to enjoy.
The opera, the Chamber musicfestival, um, the, uh, you know,
(01:39):
the Spanish market, the unionmarket, uh, and just the
beautiful weather.
And then we love to come.
Christmas is such a special timehere and, uh, I don't ski
anymore, but used to like tocome and ski as well.
And I've owned, actually owned ahouse here since 2014, but have
been living here full time since2019.
Wow.
Bunny (01:59):
Seems longer than that because you are such a fixture
here.
But do you remember the veryfirst time you came?
Craig (02:05):
The very first time I came, it was, yeah, I was
probably 22 or 23 and I wasjust, you know, shocked in, in a
wonderful way.
At what a unique.
Sense of style the place had interms of the architecture.
You know, I had seen pictures ofit, but to see the whole city in
this beautiful, uh, Adobe style,the territorial style, uh, the
(02:29):
Pueblo revival style, um, anduh, just the unique culture and
all of the great restaurants andall of the great, uh, art
galleries and all of thosethings that, um, from that time
I came back on an annual basis,probably twice a year.
Bunny (02:46):
I'm really curious about.
Um, I wonder what, because thishas just always been, um, you
know, I came here.
I don't, I don't know.
I, I probably was an infant whenI came here the first time, but
I wonder what people thinkbefore they come.
I wonder what sort of impressionaren't you?
I, I mean, you and I see a lotof people who come here for the
first time and there's, I thinkthey think we're gonna be sort
(03:08):
of a backwater.
Craig (03:09):
Yeah.
I think they think it's gonna belike the Wild West or something
like that, or it's gonna looklike Phoenix or, uh, one of the
things they think it is Phoenix.
They think it is Phoenix.
One of the, they s one of thethings that's funny is.
When I was living in Boston andI would tell people, I'm gonna
come for Christmas.
They're like, oh, that's great.
You'll be be able to be out bythe pool.
And I'm like, it's not PalmSprings.
(03:30):
We're 7,000 feet up in themountains.
It'll be snowing.
I'll be sitting in front of thefire and enjoying a nice glass
of red wine.
But I think.
What strikes people the firsttime?
It, it doesn't look like anyother place in North America.
You know, you could, you couldthink that you're in a beautiful
Spanish, um, uh, you know,colonial town in Mexico
somewhere, um, somewhere inSpain.
(03:52):
It just, uh, has the, I thinkreally the most unique sense of.
Architecture in the UnitedStates.
Um, and of course that was doneby design, by the fabulous
architect John Gau memes andthe, and the back then it was
the city fathers, um mm-hmm.
Who proclaimed that, um, thiscertain sense of architecture
(04:12):
and style.
Uh, it was always here, butbecame really popular starting
in the early 20th century.
Bunny (04:19):
Right.
I mean, uh, in fact, I thinkthat wasn't it, um, downtown
that used.
I mean, we didn't used to haveall those amazing port halls.
Right.
And everything wasn't, um, astucco building.
So 1910 through 1920, there was,you know, the Will Schuster and
John Ga memes days?
Craig (04:37):
Yes.
Yeah.
And, and they, you know, thestory that I heard is when, when
the railroad wasn't gonna cometo Santa Fe and it.
Um, everyone said, well, we,what are we gonna do?
You know, we had, we're at thestate capitol, but what are we
gonna do to attract business andtourism?
And, uh, and those folks, uh,um, the, the, our, the Pueblo
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style was always here.
You know, it was a combinationof Spanish and Native American
styles, but.
They said, let's reallyencourage this.
Because before then, I think theCapitol was probably Victorian,
um, looking.
Mm-hmm.
And then there was French Empireand there was all this kind of
stuff.
But, um, they really encouraged,uh, a adapting and adopting
(05:19):
these, uh, these styles and theuse of stucco and it's turned it
into this magical, magicalplace.
Um, you know.
Just incredibly enc chantingand, and you feel like you're,
uh, no place else in the worldis like this.
Bunny (05:33):
So I'm curious, like what moment after all this traveling
and, and I, you, I mean, youeven represented a.
Um, a French hotel.
Craig (05:43):
Yes.
A, a French chain calledSofitel.
I was the VP of marketing forNorth and South America, so that
was not a bad job.
Bad job.
Every time we staying at fourand a half, four and five star
hotels all over, all over Northand South America.
It was, it was pretty darn nice.
Bunny (05:59):
Well, well, what, what was the, what happened?
What was the moment when yousaid, Santa Fe is my home?
This is it.
Craig (06:05):
Well, I think, you know, we wanted a place that was, um,
you know, I.
A nice manageable size.
And Santa Fe is, um, is, youknow, a beautiful, uh, you know,
size.
We, you know, we get upset whenwe have to wait in traffic for
10 minutes on Cerrillos, butthat's, that's about it.
Bunny (06:23):
More, more than one light cycle.
And I'm like, I'm going home.
Yeah, exactly.
Traffic,
Craig (06:27):
just disaster.
Um, but, you know, we wanted.
You know, the, the naturalbeauty of the place, first of
all.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, to be driving aroundanywhere in Santa Fe and seeing
the Himes, the Sangres, theOrtiz, the, um, sandias, all of
all of those things is justmagical and in the winter,
seeing snow on it.
But I think it's such a diverseand, and intellectually curious
(06:52):
city.
Mm-hmm.
Um, that we really liked.
Uh, you know, the people.
In addition to, you know, thefact that we punch way above our
weight in terms of restaurants,and one of the factoids that I
learned was that Santa Fe is thethird largest in sales volume
art market in the United Statesafter New York and Los Angeles.
Bunny (07:12):
Uh, people can't believe that.
Yeah, I know.
It's
Craig (07:14):
like, you know, and it's not people just walking in off
the street to buy art, althoughthat does happen, but.
You know, a lot of thesegalleries are very serious
galleries, and I have collectorsfrom all over the world who buy
from them.
Mm-hmm.
But I think I would have to sayultimately the people, uh, I
think people self-select to cometo Santa Fe.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, they come because, uh.
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They're interested in the arts,they're interested in the
outdoors, uh, they're interestedin the culture, um, the Native
American culture, the, uh, theSpanish and Hispanic culture.
And it's a lovely blending ofeverything.
Like, for example, on my street,um, two doors down, there's a
retired, uh, drama professorfrom Yale and her husband runs a
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think tank.
On, um, the environment.
Uh, and another guy up thestreet was the, uh, head of, uh,
a music, uh, college in Chicago.
Um, and just everybody, youknow, everybody has done
something interesting and evenone of the best stories.
I heard was a, uh, a, a friendwho used to work for the opera
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and one time he was getting hiscar repaired down in s and his
contract was up and he wastrying to decide whether or not
he was gonna stay.
And the mechanic was like, well,you know, I really liked, I.
You know, uh, Tristan and Oledid this year, but I was really
disappointed in so and so, andit was like the mechanic,
right?
And
it's like if the mechanic is going to the opera, it's
(08:41):
gotta be a pretty darninteresting, uh, place to live.
Right?
And so,
right.
I, I think the other, another interesting thing that
I've heard, I don't know if it'strue, but that we have the
largest, um, uh, retiredcommunity of State Department,
uh, people in the country.
So, wow.
Yeah, so it's just, you know,everyone and you know, and the
people that have lived here,virgin, multi-generations, uh,
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families, you know, who tracetheir way all the way back to
the Spanish land grants and allof that.
And, you know, the incredibleNative American culture here.
You know, you always are windingup talking to somebody, uh,
who's got a really interestingstory to tell.
Bunny (09:17):
I always, I always think Santa Fe is full of so many
people who are much moreinteresting than I know.
I mean,
Craig (09:22):
you're very interested.
Bunny (09:23):
Oh, no, no.
Uh, it is just, you said thatpeople self-select, there's this
other thing that people say,they say that Santa Fe either
embraces you, or sorry to say,sometimes it spits you out.
And I have found that sometimesI'll have clients who move here
and after about six monthsthey're like, Nope.
Craig (09:43):
Can't do it.
Bunny (09:44):
Not for me.
Yeah.
Doesn't work.
Doesn't work.
Yeah.
And, and so you're right thatmost of the people that end up
staying here are people that.
Are very, were very purposefuland, and then felt embraced.
Craig (09:59):
Yeah.
Bunny (10:00):
And at home.
Yeah.
That's how it worked for you,right?
Yeah,
Craig (10:03):
totally.
And, and then there are peoplehere that, you know, have a
place here.
They have a place in Manhattan,um, or, you know, a place in San
Miguel, Dede.
So they're, you know, they'rethe word peripatetic.
They're traveling all the time.
Wow.
I love it.
I love it.
That word for the day useperipatetic.
Bunny (10:19):
I love it when we're multi syllab.
Craig (10:21):
One, one use it at least one time in a sentence today.
Bunny (10:24):
I love that.
Um, I, I've made all these greatnotes because, um, I, I, I, I
just, I wanna get your insight.
What do.
Um, and, and, and Craig and I,we sell real estate.
Yes, we do.
And we're having a great time.
I'm part of the
Craig (10:42):
buddy Terry group.
Happy to be part of Buddy's teamand look
Bunny (10:45):
at us how color coordinated.
Exactly.
We are you folks that are on theradio or on your, on your
earbuds.
You're gonna have to take a lookexactly on YouTube and see how
well we matched today.
We did not do this on purpose,but what do you think?
Um, I mean, some of thequestions that we get asked by.
New buyers or what?
I mean, what do you think thatpeople overlook that, that you'd
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suggest?
They don't?
I mean, what's something that,um, people come here with one
idea and then, I mean, I had asan example, I had clients last
week who were, I said, wherehave you guys been going to
dinner?
And they're like, we're cookingin our Airbnb.
And I was like, what?
I mean, you're like in one ofthe coolest food towns in the
country.
(11:29):
I don't think people know that.
Craig (11:31):
No, I don't think, uh, a lot of people don't realize.
How diverse it is.
And there are five starrestaurants, four star
restaurants, and then mom andpop, uh, places where you can
get the best.
You know, as you know, I'mpassionate about breakfast
tacos, um, where you can getgreat breakfast tacos and
Monets.
But you know, we also havegreat, uh, french restaurants,
(11:51):
um, Indian, uh, we've got somegood sushi places now.
So we've had a little bit, uh,of everything.
But I think sometimes people,one of the things.
That is funny.
Whenever you talk to somebody,it's like, well, I want a place
close to the plaza, right?
Because I wanna walk to theplaza every single day.
Right.
And, and you know, the thingthat they don't realize is,
(12:12):
yeah, the plaza is great and therestaurants are great and all of
that, but there are so manyinteresting neighborhoods all
over town.
You know, the rail yard districtnow, the Baca district, um, uh,
uh, I never pronounced itcorrectly, but Bel Ma.
Is that how you pronou it?
You got that?
Yeah.
Where, you know, you've got alot of great 1950s mm-hmm.
Um, style houses.
(12:33):
Um, so they're, uh, or up in themountains or, you know, uh, um,
uh, I was gonna say rancher orRancho Viejo.
Uh, and, uh, uh, um, you know,so many different places and.
You don't have to just be in onespecific place for the views
because the views areeverywhere.
And even when you're justdriving up the road, driving up
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CREs and that huge traffic jam,which lasts five minutes,
you're, you know, you looking,it's like, wow, there's snow on
Mount Balty today.
It's uh, and there is still snowknow in May.
Right,
right.
So, uh, and I think a lot of people don't realize, um.
Also just what a great activeplace it is.
You can, um, you know, sometimesyou can go skiing in the morning
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and go golfing in the afternoon.
And the hiking trail system hereis amazing.
Now I need to get on it.
Let's do it a lot more.
But you know, right up thestreet from me is the Dale Ball
Trail, the AYA Trail, you know,and also being, you know, kind
of in the center of the statewhere you could go up to Taos.
Mm-hmm.
You can go to cha.
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You can go to Silver City.
There's so many amazing placesto explore in New Mexico, uh,
with Santa Fe as your home base.
Bunny (13:46):
So when people visit you, I.
And I, I want people to knowthat Craig has this amazing, um,
Airbnb.
Craig (13:54):
Yes, I do.
I have an Airbnb.
Oh, it's
Bunny (13:56):
so cool.
It's so cool.
But when people visit you, whenfriends come to visit, what's
the, what are the first twoplaces you take'em?
Craig (14:03):
Um, well, let's see.
That's a really good question.
I will generally take'em,everybody likes to go to the
shed.
Of course,
of course.
Uh, but you know, right next door to us.
Is really my favorite place.
Palacio.
Oh
yeah.
Uh, Damien and his wife Maria.
It's a true mom and pop place,but amazing, amazing, uh,
northern new Mexican food andjust a really fun, uh,
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atmosphere.
Uh, and the other place I liketo take people, uh, uh, is up to
10,000 waves.
Bunny (14:31):
Oh yeah, we, we haven't talked about that much.
Craig (14:33):
10,000 ways.
You know, it's, you know, itprobably it started in the
seventies or the eighties and itwas kind of probably this
hippie, dippy, groovy place backthen.
And now it looks like it, youknow, it's Japanese.
It looks like it could be inKyoto.
Um.
And, you know, soak in the hottubs, um, massages and then they
have an amazing Japaneserestaurant is Anavi.
(14:56):
Um, which, you know, you can getgreat Japanese, uh, style food,
but you know, with a modern, um,with a modern kind of twist to
it.
And I think now.
For a long time they didn't, butI think you can have sushi up
there now too.
Bunny (15:10):
And they have great sake flights.
Craig (15:12):
Yes.
Bunny (15:13):
Yeah.
Craig (15:13):
And again, incredible views.
And they also have, uh, guesthouses.
You can stay up there.
Um, so I think that's a reallyunique place to, uh, to take
people or take'em out to NABEFalls.
Uh, Bandelier.
I've never been
Bunny (15:29):
to NABE Falls.
Yeah.
Or Bandelier.
Craig (15:31):
You've never been to band.
Well, we're gonna pull your,
Bunny (15:33):
no,
Craig (15:33):
your New Mexico, uh, vice girl.
I, you've gotta get out toBandelier.
Bunny (15:37):
I know, I know.
I, that's, I feel so bad aboutthat.
Craig (15:40):
I,
Bunny (15:40):
um,
Craig (15:41):
well, and you know, one other thing that people don't
realize,'cause they, they doassume, oh, we're in the desert.
It's gonna be very.
Brown and it's really verygreen.
I mean, we've got beautifulpinon trees everywhere up in the
mountains.
And then my partner Eddie, is amaster gardener.
Oh my gosh.
It's his passion.
And so, uh, right now our, ourgarden, which is terrace, is in
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the process of, it's like thehanging gardens of.
Babylon with.
And so they're just amazed atall of the, uh, the, uh, flora
that's here and the many thingsyou can grow.
We can, we roses growbeautifully here.
Um, uh, you know, geraniums, uh,lavender, everything.
Um, just, it's, it's really inthe summertime what they don't
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realize is we really have aMediterranean climate.
Bunny (16:30):
That's interesting.
Yeah.
That's a great way to put it.
Yeah.
Um.
I'm curious about.
Um, I, I mean, we, we work allthe time.
Craig (16:39):
Yeah.
Bunny (16:40):
I'm curious what keeps you grounded?
Craig (16:43):
You know, I think one of the things that really when I
wake up in the morning, I canjust look out the window and I'm
looking out at, uh, thefoothills of the song Grace.
Mm-hmm.
Or sitting, um, uh, in my livingroom, having coffee in the
morning and just looking outover the arroyo, and then all of
a sudden.
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Walking down my street in mylittle cul-de-sac, there'll be a
family of deer.
Right.
Walking by.
Or a coyote.
Or a coyote.
Yeah.
And my, my dog Colby, it's like,it's all worked on about the
coyotes, but, uh, coyotes.
But, you know, just the, justthe nature, just sitting out and
looking and the blue skies, it'salways beautiful blue skies.
Bunny (17:23):
Yeah.
I don't, I don't know what theGeorgia O'Keefe.
Quote is about the skies, butthat's obviously
Craig (17:28):
Yeah.
Bunny (17:29):
What we all stay for.
Craig (17:30):
Yeah.
And I mean, so sometimes justthe quietness of sitting outside
on the patio, looking at themountains, um, looking at all
the trees and, uh, you know, oneof my best memories from a
couple of witchers ago is I wassitting in the morning having
coffee and I have big four toceiling windows in my living
room.
And all of a sudden this bigbuck with, with this rack of
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antlers.
We're just kind of looking atthe window and, you know, we're
kinda like, Hey, how's it, how'sit going out there?
Uh, and I mean, you don't, youdon't get that a lot of other
places.
Bunny (18:02):
No, no.
And you don't get it.
So here's, here's another thingthat, that I always wanna tell
people when they come here isthis is a town, really, the city
population is under 80,000.
Craig (18:13):
Yeah.
Bunny (18:13):
And yet we have incredible culture.
That's gonna have to get editedout.
Oh.
Um, who's up there?
Who, who walks?
Who walks?
Who goes there?
Um, is it We still have livemusic every night somewhere.
(18:34):
Yep.
We still have national touringacts at the Lindsay.
Oh
Craig (18:38):
yeah.
Uh, it's, oh, you know, it'slike, let's see, I think
Garrison Keeler was here lastmonth.
I love, I don't know if you knowFran Liebowitz.
She was Yes.
Um, you know, a very New York,uh, sardonic.
Witt.
Yes.
I wouldn't say she's a comedian.
She's more of a life observer.
Right.
But, you know, great music.
John, John be, be, John
Bunny (19:00):
Batiste
Craig (19:01):
is coming in Santa Fe in September
Bunny (19:03):
to the opera for two nights.
Craig (19:05):
Yeah.
And, and also.
We have all of these great locallike, uh, uh, Eddie, my partner
is on the board of Pro Musica.
Mm-hmm.
Which is a classical earlymusic, uh, a string quartet, uh,
primarily but you know, withother instruments as well.
And, um.
They play amazing music.
Uh, and then you've got theDesert Corral and, and, and
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just, you know, fun honky talkmusic at the tumbleweed, uh, or
a cowgirl or any of thoseplaces.
So you've got pretty muchwhatever you want.
And there's, there's actually athing now, oh, what is it
called?
Bunny (19:42):
Let's stuff for the.
Craig (19:49):
Um, there's a, it's called Chatter.
It's at the, uh, CCC, theContemporary Center on, right.
I think it's either Saturdaymorning or Sunday morning and
there is all, and, and it sellsout.
So you have gotta buy yourtickets early.
Mm-hmm.
I think it's$15, but they'llalways have some sort of a
musical.
It's, I think a 10:00 AM amusical performance, I think
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about this.
Yeah.
Or an author or something.
It's both here and inAlbuquerque.
Uh, and it's just again.
This fun little interestingthing that you can go to and
learn something new.
And I think that's the thingabout Santa Fe.
You have the ability to learnsomething new every day from
somebody, or does
Bunny (20:28):
peripatetic
Craig (20:29):
work there?
Peripatetic works there too.
Yes.
Or word of the day.
I hope I used it correctly.
Bunny (20:35):
I, I know, uh, I, so there is something, we always
talk to people about Santa Fe.
It's not just, it's not just adestination, it's really a way
of living.
Right?
Yeah.
It's really an accepting and,well, you, you tell me what you
think.
Craig (20:51):
It's, well, you know, I'm, uh, I'm gay and, um, you
know, it's got a large.
Gay community.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and the, but the thing aboutSanta Fe is, is everybody's
accepting of everybody, right?
I mean, you've got Angloculture, you've got Hispanic
culture, uh, you've got NativeAmerican culture, you've got
people here from India, youknow, with the, with the
(21:12):
national labs, uh, los almostright up the road.
You've got lots of people from,uh, all over the country, uh,
and um, all over the world.
And all over the world.
Yeah.
And, and.
People, you know, are acceptingand, and again, intellectually
curious about where are youfrom, what have you know, what
do you do?
Mm-hmm.
What, tell me
Bunny (21:31):
your story.
Tell me your story.
Yes.
Yeah.
And everybody,
Craig (21:34):
um, uh, everybody, you know, likes that.
And it's, and one of the thingsI find the most interesting is
when you talk to, uh, nativeAmerican or, um, uh.
Uh, Hispanic families about, youknow, some of them have, you
know, well obviously the NativeAmericans, they were here first
folks.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Um, but then the, uh, theHispanic, uh, families where
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they go back to, you know, some,all the way back to the, uh,
Bunny (22:01):
four CAPTA doors, 400
Craig (22:02):
years.
Yes,
Bunny (22:03):
yes, yes.
Craig (22:04):
One of the funniest things is one time I was doing a
deal for a house out in Pecosand the title work came back.
On microfiche, um, was theoriginal Spanish land grant, you
know, in beautiful cursive, uh,Spanish.
It was pages and pages long, uh,and it just blew my mind to
think, you know, and that is oneof the things I think people
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don't realize how old Santa Feis.
Oh, 15 40, 15 45, something likethat.
Bunny (22:32):
Well, it depends on where you, what, where you count from,
but it is.
I'm sorry, St.
Augustine, but the oldest cityin the United States.
Craig (22:40):
Yeah.
Take that St.
Augustine.
Take that.
Yes.
And, and that we have thelongest continuing operating,
uh, capital building in NorthAmerica.
Because the municipal
Bunny (22:51):
building Yeah.
Craig (22:53):
Of the governor's.
Yeah.
Because it was at the end of
Bunny (22:54):
the governor's, I'm sorry, palace of the Governor.
Palace of
Craig (22:56):
the Governors.
The end of the governors is agreat place too.
Yes.
But the palace of the, thegovernors, which, um, uh.
It was founded by theconquistadors.
Bunny (23:06):
Right.
We apologize for the stompingaround, but the office just
opened.
Yes.
And that's where we are.
And we're,
Craig (23:11):
we're selling houses here, folks.
We
Bunny (23:13):
are, we are.
We're having fun.
Okay, so Craig, I just gottathank you for giving us your
really generous and joyful lookat Santa Fe.
One of the coolest things aboutworking with you is that you are
always.
Generous and joyful.
Uh, so I'm just gonna say, ifyou're ever in the office and
the right reference comes along,Craig will just break In the
(23:33):
song,
Craig (23:34):
I'll break into song.
It's like, it's, it, it, itcould be about I have got a song
for everything.
Bunny (23:39):
It does every address, every exactly every house.
But this, I love this and I'm,and, and here's the cool thing.
You're an example of how you cancome from anywhere.
Craig (23:50):
Yeah.
Bunny (23:50):
And be at home here.
Craig (23:52):
Yeah.
And, you know, I, uh, you knowwhat is amazing and I, I love
working with you, uh, and ourteam so much energy.
But, you know, I came here and Ithought I was gonna retire, and
I realized that I was a VSYretiree.
And then also I had all of asudden realized that there was
money going out, no money comingin.
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But I was, I hate it when thathappens.
Uh.
Five years ago, I started a realestate career and you know, I'm,
I'm pleased to say now if you,if you work hard in Santa Fe,
you can, it is, it's the SantaFe dream of the American Dream.
'cause now I think I'm in thetop 30 years in Santa Fe.
Bunny (24:33):
Yeah.
Craig (24:34):
So it's an exciting, along with you, the two of us
together, when you add up teams,
we
are, we're like.
Three or four.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fun.
Yes.
Bunny (24:47):
Yes.
So where can people find you onInstagram?
Craig (24:51):
Uh, so I'm at Santa Fe Craig on Instagram.
Bunny (24:54):
And what's your website?
Craig (24:58):
Www, well, you don't have to say that anymore.
City, but I can't remember whatit's called.
Craig something Craig sellsSanta Fe or something like that.
Bunny (25:06):
Nice.
Craig (25:07):
Something obvious.
Bunny (25:08):
We'll find the link and we'll put it in the show notes.
You can find Craig.
And, and I want, I, I, I want, Iwant you to see Santa Fe, the
Craig Way.
Craig (25:19):
The Craig way.
I would love to show you mySanta Fe.
And that's another wonderfulthing.
Everybody has their Santa Fe.
Yes.
So
Bunny (25:25):
yes.
Craig (25:26):
Um, yes.
But anyway, thank you so muchfor having me.
Oh, you're
Bunny (25:29):
so welcome.
And I'm just gonna ask everybodyout there to.
Take a look at our otherepisodes.
Um, we've talked about food,we've talked about history,
we've talked, well, we've talkedbooks with Anne Hillerman.
So go back, take a look at whatwe've already recorded and stay
on, subscribe, and feel free toread us.
Yeah,
Craig (25:48):
and Bunny is the social media Maven of Santa Fe.
She was doing social mediabefore.
Social media was cool.
I.
Here we are.
Craig (00:01):
Hi Bunny.
Bunny (00:02):
I'm so excited.
I'm excited
Craig (00:03):
to be here too.
Bunny (00:04):
I'm so excited.
Welcome to the Real Santa Fepodcast.
Ooh.
So I wanna let our guests knowthat today they're gonna meet
somebody who sees Santa Fe in away.
Few people do.
And I think Craig, that's mostlybecause of.
The amount of traveling you'vedone mm-hmm.
Your entire life.
Um, my friend and my teammate,Craig Cunningham, has lived all
(00:27):
over the country and traveledall over the world because of
this incredible background inmarketing.
Craig (00:33):
Yes.
Yeah.
I was very lucky.
Well, so my story is I was bornin Connecticut.
Mm-hmm.
And we moved to Dallas when Iwas 10.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and then I have lived.
Two times in Boston, in theeighties and in the two
thousands.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and my job, I was very lucky to have a job in
hotel marketing.
(00:54):
So I traveled to Europe, uh,north and all over North
America, south America, and eventhe far East.
So the, that's an old fashionedterm, the far east.
I was in China.
Um, so I've been very lucky.
And then I've been able to callSanta Fe home for the last six
years.
Bunny (01:12):
And Vista stood there a lot before, right?
Craig (01:14):
Yes.
I have been coming to Santa Fe,like a lot of folks who, uh,
grew up in Texas, we love tocome to Santa Fe because it's a,
it's pretty darn easy to get to,uh, either driving or flying
right into Santa Fe.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and uh, we love to come inthe summertime to get out of the
Texas heat and also to enjoy.
The opera, the Chamber musicfestival, um, the, uh, you know,
(01:39):
the Spanish market, the unionmarket, uh, and just the
beautiful weather.
And then we love to come.
Christmas is such a special timehere and, uh, I don't ski
anymore, but used to like tocome and ski as well.
And I've owned, actually owned ahouse here since 2014, but have
been living here full time since2019.
Wow.
Bunny (01:59):
Seems longer than that because you are such a fixture
here.
But do you remember the veryfirst time you came?
Craig (02:05):
The very first time I came, it was, yeah, I was
probably 22 or 23 and I wasjust, you know, shocked in, in a
wonderful way.
At what a unique.
Sense of style the place had interms of the architecture.
You know, I had seen pictures ofit, but to see the whole city in
this beautiful, uh, Adobe style,the territorial style, uh, the
(02:29):
Pueblo revival style, um, anduh, just the unique culture and
all of the great restaurants andall of the great, uh, art
galleries and all of thosethings that, um, from that time
I came back on an annual basis,probably twice a year.
Bunny (02:46):
I'm really curious about.
Um, I wonder what, because thishas just always been, um, you
know, I came here.
I don't, I don't know.
I, I probably was an infant whenI came here the first time, but
I wonder what people thinkbefore they come.
I wonder what sort of impressionaren't you?
I, I mean, you and I see a lotof people who come here for the
first time and there's, I thinkthey think we're gonna be sort
(03:08):
of a backwater.
Craig (03:09):
Yeah.
I think they think it's gonna belike the Wild West or something
like that, or it's gonna looklike Phoenix or, uh, one of the
things they think it is Phoenix.
They think it is Phoenix.
One of the, they s one of thethings that's funny is.
When I was living in Boston andI would tell people, I'm gonna
come for Christmas.
They're like, oh, that's great.
You'll be be able to be out bythe pool.
And I'm like, it's not PalmSprings.
(03:30):
We're 7,000 feet up in themountains.
It'll be snowing.
I'll be sitting in front of thefire and enjoying a nice glass
of red wine.
But I think.
What strikes people the firsttime?
It, it doesn't look like anyother place in North America.
You know, you could, you couldthink that you're in a beautiful
Spanish, um, uh, you know,colonial town in Mexico
somewhere, um, somewhere inSpain.
(03:52):
It just, uh, has the, I thinkreally the most unique sense of.
Architecture in the UnitedStates.
Um, and of course that was doneby design, by the fabulous
architect John Gau memes andthe, and the back then it was
the city fathers, um mm-hmm.
Who proclaimed that, um, thiscertain sense of architecture
(04:12):
and style.
Uh, it was always here, butbecame really popular starting
in the early 20th century.
Bunny (04:19):
Right.
I mean, uh, in fact, I thinkthat wasn't it, um, downtown
that used.
I mean, we didn't used to haveall those amazing port halls.
Right.
And everything wasn't, um, astucco building.
So 1910 through 1920, there was,you know, the Will Schuster and
John Ga memes days?
Craig (04:37):
Yes.
Yeah.
And, and they, you know, thestory that I heard is when, when
the railroad wasn't gonna cometo Santa Fe and it.
Um, everyone said, well, we,what are we gonna do?
You know, we had, we're at thestate capitol, but what are we
gonna do to attract business andtourism?
And, uh, and those folks, uh,um, the, the, our, the Pueblo
(04:57):
style was always here.
You know, it was a combinationof Spanish and Native American
styles, but.
They said, let's reallyencourage this.
Because before then, I think theCapitol was probably Victorian,
um, looking.
Mm-hmm.
And then there was French Empireand there was all this kind of
stuff.
But, um, they really encouraged,uh, a adapting and adopting
(05:19):
these, uh, these styles and theuse of stucco and it's turned it
into this magical, magicalplace.
Um, you know.
Just incredibly enc chantingand, and you feel like you're,
uh, no place else in the worldis like this.
Bunny (05:33):
So I'm curious, like what moment after all this traveling
and, and I, you, I mean, youeven represented a.
Um, a French hotel.
Craig (05:43):
Yes.
A, a French chain calledSofitel.
I was the VP of marketing forNorth and South America, so that
was not a bad job.
Bad job.
Every time we staying at fourand a half, four and five star
hotels all over, all over Northand South America.
It was, it was pretty darn nice.
Bunny (05:59):
Well, well, what, what was the, what happened?
What was the moment when yousaid, Santa Fe is my home?
This is it.
Craig (06:05):
Well, I think, you know, we wanted a place that was, um,
you know, I.
A nice manageable size.
And Santa Fe is, um, is, youknow, a beautiful, uh, you know,
size.
We, you know, we get upset whenwe have to wait in traffic for
10 minutes on Cerrillos, butthat's, that's about it.
Bunny (06:23):
More, more than one light cycle.
And I'm like, I'm going home.
Yeah, exactly.
Traffic,
Craig (06:27):
just disaster.
Um, but, you know, we wanted.
You know, the, the naturalbeauty of the place, first of
all.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, to be driving aroundanywhere in Santa Fe and seeing
the Himes, the Sangres, theOrtiz, the, um, sandias, all of
all of those things is justmagical and in the winter,
seeing snow on it.
But I think it's such a diverseand, and intellectually curious
(06:52):
city.
Mm-hmm.
Um, that we really liked.
Uh, you know, the people.
In addition to, you know, thefact that we punch way above our
weight in terms of restaurants,and one of the factoids that I
learned was that Santa Fe is thethird largest in sales volume
art market in the United Statesafter New York and Los Angeles.
Bunny (07:12):
Uh, people can't believe that.
Yeah, I know.
It's
Craig (07:14):
like, you know, and it's not people just walking in off
the street to buy art, althoughthat does happen, but.
You know, a lot of thesegalleries are very serious
galleries, and I have collectorsfrom all over the world who buy
from them.
Mm-hmm.
But I think I would have to sayultimately the people, uh, I
think people self-select to cometo Santa Fe.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, they come because, uh.
(07:35):
They're interested in the arts,they're interested in the
outdoors, uh, they're interestedin the culture, um, the Native
American culture, the, uh, theSpanish and Hispanic culture.
And it's a lovely blending ofeverything.
Like, for example, on my street,um, two doors down, there's a
retired, uh, drama professorfrom Yale and her husband runs a
(07:56):
think tank.
On, um, the environment.
Uh, and another guy up thestreet was the, uh, head of, uh,
a music, uh, college in Chicago.
Um, and just everybody, youknow, everybody has done
something interesting and evenone of the best stories.
I heard was a, uh, a, a friendwho used to work for the opera
(08:21):
and one time he was getting hiscar repaired down in s and his
contract was up and he wastrying to decide whether or not
he was gonna stay.
And the mechanic was like, well,you know, I really liked, I.
You know, uh, Tristan and Oledid this year, but I was really
disappointed in so and so, andit was like the mechanic,
right?
And
it's like if the mechanic is going to the opera, it's
(08:41):
gotta be a pretty darninteresting, uh, place to live.
Right?
And so,
right.
I, I think the other, another interesting thing that
I've heard, I don't know if it'strue, but that we have the
largest, um, uh, retiredcommunity of State Department,
uh, people in the country.
So, wow.
Yeah, so it's just, you know,everyone and you know, and the
people that have lived here,virgin, multi-generations, uh,
(09:03):
families, you know, who tracetheir way all the way back to
the Spanish land grants and allof that.
And, you know, the incredibleNative American culture here.
You know, you always are windingup talking to somebody, uh,
who's got a really interestingstory to tell.
Bunny (09:17):
I always, I always think Santa Fe is full of so many
people who are much moreinteresting than I know.
I mean,
Craig (09:22):
you're very interested.
Bunny (09:23):
Oh, no, no.
Uh, it is just, you said thatpeople self-select, there's this
other thing that people say,they say that Santa Fe either
embraces you, or sorry to say,sometimes it spits you out.
And I have found that sometimesI'll have clients who move here
and after about six monthsthey're like, Nope.
Craig (09:43):
Can't do it.
Bunny (09:44):
Not for me.
Yeah.
Doesn't work.
Doesn't work.
Yeah.
And, and so you're right thatmost of the people that end up
staying here are people that.
Are very, were very purposefuland, and then felt embraced.
Craig (09:59):
Yeah.
Bunny (10:00):
And at home.
Yeah.
That's how it worked for you,right?
Yeah,
Craig (10:03):
totally.
And, and then there are peoplehere that, you know, have a
place here.
They have a place in Manhattan,um, or, you know, a place in San
Miguel, Dede.
So they're, you know, they'rethe word peripatetic.
They're traveling all the time.
Wow.
I love it.
I love it.
That word for the day useperipatetic.
Bunny (10:19):
I love it when we're multi syllab.
Craig (10:21):
One, one use it at least one time in a sentence today.
Bunny (10:24):
I love that.
Um, I, I've made all these greatnotes because, um, I, I, I, I
just, I wanna get your insight.
What do.
Um, and, and, and Craig and I,we sell real estate.
Yes, we do.
And we're having a great time.
I'm part of the
Craig (10:42):
buddy Terry group.
Happy to be part of Buddy's teamand look
Bunny (10:45):
at us how color coordinated.
Exactly.
We are you folks that are on theradio or on your, on your
earbuds.
You're gonna have to take a lookexactly on YouTube and see how
well we matched today.
We did not do this on purpose,but what do you think?
Um, I mean, some of thequestions that we get asked by.
New buyers or what?
I mean, what do you think thatpeople overlook that, that you'd
(11:09):
suggest?
They don't?
I mean, what's something that,um, people come here with one
idea and then, I mean, I had asan example, I had clients last
week who were, I said, wherehave you guys been going to
dinner?
And they're like, we're cookingin our Airbnb.
And I was like, what?
I mean, you're like in one ofthe coolest food towns in the
country.
(11:29):
I don't think people know that.
Craig (11:31):
No, I don't think, uh, a lot of people don't realize.
How diverse it is.
And there are five starrestaurants, four star
restaurants, and then mom andpop, uh, places where you can
get the best.
You know, as you know, I'mpassionate about breakfast
tacos, um, where you can getgreat breakfast tacos and
Monets.
But you know, we also havegreat, uh, french restaurants,
(11:51):
um, Indian, uh, we've got somegood sushi places now.
So we've had a little bit, uh,of everything.
But I think sometimes people,one of the things.
That is funny.
Whenever you talk to somebody,it's like, well, I want a place
close to the plaza, right?
Because I wanna walk to theplaza every single day.
Right.
And, and you know, the thingthat they don't realize is,
(12:12):
yeah, the plaza is great and therestaurants are great and all of
that, but there are so manyinteresting neighborhoods all
over town.
You know, the rail yard districtnow, the Baca district, um, uh,
uh, I never pronounced itcorrectly, but Bel Ma.
Is that how you pronou it?
You got that?
Yeah.
Where, you know, you've got alot of great 1950s mm-hmm.
Um, style houses.
(12:33):
Um, so they're, uh, or up in themountains or, you know, uh, um,
uh, I was gonna say rancher orRancho Viejo.
Uh, and, uh, uh, um, you know,so many different places and.
You don't have to just be in onespecific place for the views
because the views areeverywhere.
And even when you're justdriving up the road, driving up
(12:54):
CREs and that huge traffic jam,which lasts five minutes,
you're, you know, you looking,it's like, wow, there's snow on
Mount Balty today.
It's uh, and there is still snowknow in May.
Right,
right.
So, uh, and I think a lot of people don't realize, um.
Also just what a great activeplace it is.
You can, um, you know, sometimesyou can go skiing in the morning
(13:18):
and go golfing in the afternoon.
And the hiking trail system hereis amazing.
Now I need to get on it.
Let's do it a lot more.
But you know, right up thestreet from me is the Dale Ball
Trail, the AYA Trail, you know,and also being, you know, kind
of in the center of the statewhere you could go up to Taos.
Mm-hmm.
You can go to cha.
(13:39):
You can go to Silver City.
There's so many amazing placesto explore in New Mexico, uh,
with Santa Fe as your home base.
Bunny (13:46):
So when people visit you, I.
And I, I want people to knowthat Craig has this amazing, um,
Airbnb.
Craig (13:54):
Yes, I do.
I have an Airbnb.
Oh, it's
Bunny (13:56):
so cool.
It's so cool.
But when people visit you, whenfriends come to visit, what's
the, what are the first twoplaces you take'em?
Craig (14:03):
Um, well, let's see.
That's a really good question.
I will generally take'em,everybody likes to go to the
shed.
Of course,
of course.
Uh, but you know, right next door to us.
Is really my favorite place.
Palacio.
Oh
yeah.
Uh, Damien and his wife Maria.
It's a true mom and pop place,but amazing, amazing, uh,
northern new Mexican food andjust a really fun, uh,
(14:24):
atmosphere.
Uh, and the other place I liketo take people, uh, uh, is up to
10,000 waves.
Bunny (14:31):
Oh yeah, we, we haven't talked about that much.
Craig (14:33):
10,000 ways.
You know, it's, you know, itprobably it started in the
seventies or the eighties and itwas kind of probably this
hippie, dippy, groovy place backthen.
And now it looks like it, youknow, it's Japanese.
It looks like it could be inKyoto.
Um.
And, you know, soak in the hottubs, um, massages and then they
have an amazing Japaneserestaurant is Anavi.
(14:56):
Um, which, you know, you can getgreat Japanese, uh, style food,
but you know, with a modern, um,with a modern kind of twist to
it.
And I think now.
For a long time they didn't, butI think you can have sushi up
there now too.
Bunny (15:10):
And they have great sake flights.
Craig (15:12):
Yes.
Bunny (15:13):
Yeah.
Craig (15:13):
And again, incredible views.
And they also have, uh, guesthouses.
You can stay up there.
Um, so I think that's a reallyunique place to, uh, to take
people or take'em out to NABEFalls.
Uh, Bandelier.
I've never been
Bunny (15:29):
to NABE Falls.
Yeah.
Or Bandelier.
Craig (15:31):
You've never been to band.
Well, we're gonna pull your,
Bunny (15:33):
no,
Craig (15:33):
your New Mexico, uh, vice girl.
I, you've gotta get out toBandelier.
Bunny (15:37):
I know, I know.
I, that's, I feel so bad aboutthat.
Craig (15:40):
I,
Bunny (15:40):
um,
Craig (15:41):
well, and you know, one other thing that people don't
realize,'cause they, they doassume, oh, we're in the desert.
It's gonna be very.
Brown and it's really verygreen.
I mean, we've got beautifulpinon trees everywhere up in the
mountains.
And then my partner Eddie, is amaster gardener.
Oh my gosh.
It's his passion.
And so, uh, right now our, ourgarden, which is terrace, is in
(16:04):
the process of, it's like thehanging gardens of.
Babylon with.
And so they're just amazed atall of the, uh, the, uh, flora
that's here and the many thingsyou can grow.
We can, we roses growbeautifully here.
Um, uh, you know, geraniums, uh,lavender, everything.
Um, just, it's, it's really inthe summertime what they don't
(16:26):
realize is we really have aMediterranean climate.
Bunny (16:30):
That's interesting.
Yeah.
That's a great way to put it.
Yeah.
Um.
I'm curious about.
Um, I, I mean, we, we work allthe time.
Craig (16:39):
Yeah.
Bunny (16:40):
I'm curious what keeps you grounded?
Craig (16:43):
You know, I think one of the things that really when I
wake up in the morning, I canjust look out the window and I'm
looking out at, uh, thefoothills of the song Grace.
Mm-hmm.
Or sitting, um, uh, in my livingroom, having coffee in the
morning and just looking outover the arroyo, and then all of
a sudden.
(17:03):
Walking down my street in mylittle cul-de-sac, there'll be a
family of deer.
Right.
Walking by.
Or a coyote.
Or a coyote.
Yeah.
And my, my dog Colby, it's like,it's all worked on about the
coyotes, but, uh, coyotes.
But, you know, just the, justthe nature, just sitting out and
looking and the blue skies, it'salways beautiful blue skies.
Bunny (17:23):
Yeah.
I don't, I don't know what theGeorgia O'Keefe.
Quote is about the skies, butthat's obviously
Craig (17:28):
Yeah.
Bunny (17:29):
What we all stay for.
Craig (17:30):
Yeah.
And I mean, so sometimes justthe quietness of sitting outside
on the patio, looking at themountains, um, looking at all
the trees and, uh, you know, oneof my best memories from a
couple of witchers ago is I wassitting in the morning having
coffee and I have big four toceiling windows in my living
room.
And all of a sudden this bigbuck with, with this rack of
(17:51):
antlers.
We're just kind of looking atthe window and, you know, we're
kinda like, Hey, how's it, how'sit going out there?
Uh, and I mean, you don't, youdon't get that a lot of other
places.
Bunny (18:02):
No, no.
And you don't get it.
So here's, here's another thingthat, that I always wanna tell
people when they come here isthis is a town, really, the city
population is under 80,000.
Craig (18:13):
Yeah.
Bunny (18:13):
And yet we have incredible culture.
That's gonna have to get editedout.
Oh.
Um, who's up there?
Who, who walks?
Who walks?
Who goes there?
Um, is it We still have livemusic every night somewhere.
(18:34):
Yep.
We still have national touringacts at the Lindsay.
Oh
Craig (18:38):
yeah.
Uh, it's, oh, you know, it'slike, let's see, I think
Garrison Keeler was here lastmonth.
I love, I don't know if you knowFran Liebowitz.
She was Yes.
Um, you know, a very New York,uh, sardonic.
Witt.
Yes.
I wouldn't say she's a comedian.
She's more of a life observer.
Right.
But, you know, great music.
John, John be, be, John
Bunny (19:00):
Batiste
Craig (19:01):
is coming in Santa Fe in September
Bunny (19:03):
to the opera for two nights.
Craig (19:05):
Yeah.
And, and also.
We have all of these great locallike, uh, uh, Eddie, my partner
is on the board of Pro Musica.
Mm-hmm.
Which is a classical earlymusic, uh, a string quartet, uh,
primarily but you know, withother instruments as well.
And, um.
They play amazing music.
Uh, and then you've got theDesert Corral and, and, and
(19:28):
just, you know, fun honky talkmusic at the tumbleweed, uh, or
a cowgirl or any of thoseplaces.
So you've got pretty muchwhatever you want.
And there's, there's actually athing now, oh, what is it
called?
Bunny (19:42):
Let's stuff for the.
Craig (19:49):
Um, there's a, it's called Chatter.
It's at the, uh, CCC, theContemporary Center on, right.
I think it's either Saturdaymorning or Sunday morning and
there is all, and, and it sellsout.
So you have gotta buy yourtickets early.
Mm-hmm.
I think it's$15, but they'llalways have some sort of a
musical.
It's, I think a 10:00 AM amusical performance, I think
(20:10):
about this.
Yeah.
Or an author or something.
It's both here and inAlbuquerque.
Uh, and it's just again.
This fun little interestingthing that you can go to and
learn something new.
And I think that's the thingabout Santa Fe.
You have the ability to learnsomething new every day from
somebody, or does
Bunny (20:28):
peripatetic
Craig (20:29):
work there?
Peripatetic works there too.
Yes.
Or word of the day.
I hope I used it correctly.
Bunny (20:35):
I, I know, uh, I, so there is something, we always
talk to people about Santa Fe.
It's not just, it's not just adestination, it's really a way
of living.
Right?
Yeah.
It's really an accepting and,well, you, you tell me what you
think.
Craig (20:51):
It's, well, you know, I'm, uh, I'm gay and, um, you
know, it's got a large.
Gay community.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and the, but the thing aboutSanta Fe is, is everybody's
accepting of everybody, right?
I mean, you've got Angloculture, you've got Hispanic
culture, uh, you've got NativeAmerican culture, you've got
people here from India, youknow, with the, with the
(21:12):
national labs, uh, los almostright up the road.
You've got lots of people from,uh, all over the country, uh,
and um, all over the world.
And all over the world.
Yeah.
And, and.
People, you know, are acceptingand, and again, intellectually
curious about where are youfrom, what have you know, what
do you do?
Mm-hmm.
What, tell me
Bunny (21:31):
your story.
Tell me your story.
Yes.
Yeah.
And everybody,
Craig (21:34):
um, uh, everybody, you know, likes that.
And it's, and one of the thingsI find the most interesting is
when you talk to, uh, nativeAmerican or, um, uh.
Uh, Hispanic families about, youknow, some of them have, you
know, well obviously the NativeAmericans, they were here first
folks.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Um, but then the, uh, theHispanic, uh, families where
(21:57):
they go back to, you know, some,all the way back to the, uh,
Bunny (22:01):
four CAPTA doors, 400
Craig (22:02):
years.
Yes,
Bunny (22:03):
yes, yes.
Craig (22:04):
One of the funniest things is one time I was doing a
deal for a house out in Pecosand the title work came back.
On microfiche, um, was theoriginal Spanish land grant, you
know, in beautiful cursive, uh,Spanish.
It was pages and pages long, uh,and it just blew my mind to
think, you know, and that is oneof the things I think people
(22:26):
don't realize how old Santa Feis.
Oh, 15 40, 15 45, something likethat.
Bunny (22:32):
Well, it depends on where you, what, where you count from,
but it is.
I'm sorry, St.
Augustine, but the oldest cityin the United States.
Craig (22:40):
Yeah.
Take that St.
Augustine.
Take that.
Yes.
And, and that we have thelongest continuing operating,
uh, capital building in NorthAmerica.
Because the municipal
Bunny (22:51):
building Yeah.
Craig (22:53):
Of the governor's.
Yeah.
Because it was at the end of
Bunny (22:54):
the governor's, I'm sorry, palace of the Governor.
Palace of
Craig (22:56):
the Governors.
The end of the governors is agreat place too.
Yes.
But the palace of the, thegovernors, which, um, uh.
It was founded by theconquistadors.
Bunny (23:06):
Right.
We apologize for the stompingaround, but the office just
opened.
Yes.
And that's where we are.
And we're,
Craig (23:11):
we're selling houses here, folks.
We
Bunny (23:13):
are, we are.
We're having fun.
Okay, so Craig, I just gottathank you for giving us your
really generous and joyful lookat Santa Fe.
One of the coolest things aboutworking with you is that you are
always.
Generous and joyful.
Uh, so I'm just gonna say, ifyou're ever in the office and
the right reference comes along,Craig will just break In the
(23:33):
song,
Craig (23:34):
I'll break into song.
It's like, it's, it, it, itcould be about I have got a song
for everything.
Bunny (23:39):
It does every address, every exactly every house.
But this, I love this and I'm,and, and here's the cool thing.
You're an example of how you cancome from anywhere.
Craig (23:50):
Yeah.
Bunny (23:50):
And be at home here.
Craig (23:52):
Yeah.
And, you know, I, uh, you knowwhat is amazing and I, I love
working with you, uh, and ourteam so much energy.
But, you know, I came here and Ithought I was gonna retire, and
I realized that I was a VSYretiree.
And then also I had all of asudden realized that there was
money going out, no money comingin.
(24:12):
But I was, I hate it when thathappens.
Uh.
Five years ago, I started a realestate career and you know, I'm,
I'm pleased to say now if you,if you work hard in Santa Fe,
you can, it is, it's the SantaFe dream of the American Dream.
'cause now I think I'm in thetop 30 years in Santa Fe.
Bunny (24:33):
Yeah.
Craig (24:34):
So it's an exciting, along with you, the two of us
together, when you add up teams,
we
are, we're like.
Three or four.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fun.
Yes.
Bunny (24:47):
Yes.
So where can people find you onInstagram?
Craig (24:51):
Uh, so I'm at Santa Fe Craig on Instagram.
Bunny (24:54):
And what's your website?
Craig (24:58):
Www, well, you don't have to say that anymore.
City, but I can't remember whatit's called.
Craig something Craig sellsSanta Fe or something like that.
Bunny (25:06):
Nice.
Craig (25:07):
Something obvious.
Bunny (25:08):
We'll find the link and we'll put it in the show notes.
You can find Craig.
And, and I want, I, I, I want, Iwant you to see Santa Fe, the
Craig Way.
Craig (25:19):
The Craig way.
I would love to show you mySanta Fe.
And that's another wonderfulthing.
Everybody has their Santa Fe.
Yes.
So
Bunny (25:25):
yes.
Craig (25:26):
Um, yes.
But anyway, thank you so muchfor having me.
Oh, you're
Bunny (25:29):
so welcome.
And I'm just gonna ask everybodyout there to.
Take a look at our otherepisodes.
Um, we've talked about food,we've talked about history,
we've talked, well, we've talkedbooks with Anne Hillerman.
So go back, take a look at whatwe've already recorded and stay
on, subscribe, and feel free toread us.
Yeah,
Craig (25:48):
and Bunny is the social media Maven of Santa Fe.
She was doing social mediabefore.
Social media was cool.
I.
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