February 20, 2025 • 53 mins
- From corporate leader to career coach, Ryan Snellings shares how he overcame his fear of posting online and built a thriving LinkedIn presence through authenticity and connection.
- We explore the unexpected lessons from customer service, the work-life balance contrast between Europe and the U.S., and the hilarious reality of learning new cultures.
- With humor and honesty, Ryan reveals how mentoring, storytelling, and content creation can fuel both career growth and personal transformation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Real you Podcast.
This is episode 33.
I'm David Young, your host.
I'm a LinkedIn content andbusiness coach and I help
coaches with less than 3,000followers grow their businesses
on LinkedIn through betterstorytelling and content
creation.
I launched this podcast inMarch of 2024 to spotlight
interesting people doing amazingthings, and today I'm joined by
Ryan Snellings, a globalservice leader, career growth
(00:21):
coach and an aspiring golfer.
We will discuss his corporatejourney, living and working
overseas.
We might even talk about johnclaude van dam for several years
not john claude for severalyears the working overseas for
several years and what it's liketo start a new coaching
business.
So, ryan, my friend, thanks formaking time for me today thanks
for having me, david.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I I appreciate it.
I've been watching all yourother podcasts and you got some
pretty interesting people onthere, so hopefully I can kind
of live up to that, but I loveall the stuff that you're doing.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh no, I appreciate that and I think the John Claude
Van Damme story itself will putyou right close to the top
because it's a good one.
So, yeah, we'll get to that.
Yeah, so appreciate it.
We got to know each other alittle bit in the last few
months, kind of part of the samecoaching program with with ali
rizakos, and work together alittle bit kind of over
thanksgiving and first part ofdecember.
So, yeah, I love what you'redoing and it always comes across
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really especially in this kindof ai.
You know a lot of ai contentlike your content just always
comes across as very ryan, likeit, just very you and good sense
of humor and honesty, and soit's refreshing to see on the
platform.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, that's good to hear.
Fortunately, maybe,unfortunately, I'm probably not
smart enough to get into the AIstuff.
But yeah, I mean, you know, Ilike to say what I think.
I, you know it is LinkedIn, soI do limit it.
You know, I don't want tostretch too far into you, don't
want to get too edgy, eventhough sometimes there's more I
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want to say.
But it's man, it's such a newexperience.
I'm pretty reserved, like Idon't like to be public.
I don't have any kind of socialmedia outside of LinkedIn.
Last week I week I'm trying toget started on Instagram.
My buddy across the street, hishigh school daughter, is trying
to show me how to use Instagramand kind of navigate through
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that.
So the posting thing for me iscompletely new.
And to be honest with you andI'm sure a lot of people face
this I remember writing my firstpost and it took hours for me
to actually hit the post button.
I was scared to death.
I'm like, oh my gosh, no one'sgoing to care what I have to say
(02:35):
.
But man, once you do it and yousee other people doing it, it's
just I don't know.
There's kind of a relief to it.
And then, when you see otherpeople doing it.
You respect it right, becauseyou know how hard it is.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, for sure, and I think LinkedIn is a great place
to start.
I was the same way as you.
I didn't have a social mediaprior.
I mean, I had a LinkedInaccount but I wasn't using it.
But I didn't have Instagram,tiktok.
I have a Twitter account causeI think the big thing is you
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think everyone in your networkis going to see everything that
you're putting out Right, soyou're like you know I have,
however many followers orconnections like oh my God,
they're all going to read this.
So it's good to remember thatonly the less than 20% of of
your connections will actuallyever see any of your any one
post, cause that's not the waythe algorithm works.
So most people have no ideathat you're even posting.
So that should give youeveryone a little bit more
confidence.
It's a small number.
(03:29):
Two, it's a pretty supportive.
I've found LinkedIn to be verysupportive.
Yeah, I mean, there's alwayssome naysayers here and there,
kind of no matter what you do,but for the most part, people
(03:49):
are pretty encouraging of yourstory and your background and if
you're starting a business andI found people to be very
forthcoming with help and adviceand it's a really it's a good
place from that standpoint.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, 100 I mean.
I mean it's.
It's kind of weird.
You almost build this communityof people that you know you've
never met in person, but you,you know, you met them online
and, yeah, very supportive.
You know, every once in a whileyou get know you kind of get
that hater out there.
The funny thing is sometimeswhen you get like that hater in
your comments and stuff, itactually just increases the
algorithm because you get morecomments and stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You know, for me, because I was coming from a
corporate world which you know,and I don't mean in a bad way,
but it's a little more stifled,a little more buttoned up and
you know, people tend to notwant to really say what they
really think, or for good or bad, or they don't want to get
personal.
Like I know, when I startedposting at a really good friend
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of mine and he met well and he'slike you know, you probably
shouldn't get very personalonline and I'm like you know
what, even in corporate with myemployees, I get personal with
them.
I mean, they're people I'venever bought into that whole.
Oh, you've got employees.
You can't be friends with them.
It doesn't make sense.
We're human beings, we'rearound each other.
You're around employees morethan you're around your own
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family and if you can't enjoy itand appreciate what they're
going through and really havethat really kind of a deep
relationship outside of the workpart, then to me that's just
silly.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
No, I totally agree, and I think it's on LinkedIn,
talking about the personalstories.
I think it's becoming more andmore not only accepted but
encouraged, because there is somuch AI, there's so many ways to
generate AI content or have AIcreate your content, which is
fine, I mean, it's obviouslygreat for efficiency.
But then it all just starts tolook and sound the same and most
of it then becomes very surfacelevel content, right, like if
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you can Google it or YouTube itor GPT create it, then it all
will blend together, whereasthose platforms at least not yet
they can't tell like yourpersonal journey and your
personal story, right, becausethey have to be prompted, they
don't just know things.
So when you get on and sharespecifics of, like your
background, your career, travel,hobbies, whatever, like people
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really like those posts because,a, like you said, it humanized
you and we're all humans and B,you start to build just more of
a trust and authenticity to your, to your content.
And if you're doing business,then that's I mean people.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
We all do business with people, so you're trying to
attract people and that's howyou do it right with your yeah,
yeah, and it's, it's so, and I Ithink that's why I kind of
admire people that that post,especially when they post
personal stuff, because I meanyou just you're throwing your
life out there into this, thisvoid, right like you don't.
(06:29):
You don't know who's seeing orwhatnot.
But the funny thing is what Irealized quickly is even the
people that read your contentthey're so tied up in their own
stuff they don't remember it 30minutes later, anyway for sure.
So whatever you say, I meanunless it really sparks
something or resonates with themand they carry it with it,
(06:50):
ultimately they go on and youknow go, you know go throughout
their day as normal.
Yeah, so that kind of helped too.
It kind of, in a way, ithumbles you because you realize,
like you know you make a postand you're like, oh, this is
going to be a good post,everyone's going to love it.
And then you get you know 500impressions and then you're like
(07:10):
, oh okay, maybe it wasn't,maybe it wasn't as cool as I
thought it was, but that youknow, that's okay.
Everyone's got their own voice,everyone's got stuff to say and
I just I really enjoy whenpeople kind of put themselves
out there.
I've got the utmost respect forthat.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, that was for me .
I did a post this last fallabout I've had obsessive
compulsive disorder for most ofmy adult life and I'd never
really talked about it.
Very few people even knew aboutit.
I've been thinking about writingabout it and then I eventually
did, and that was not easy towrite and put out there.
But then once I did, it waslike people were very supportive
and nobody mocked it or madefun of it.
And then, like you said, thatwas it.
(07:50):
They read it, maybe itresonated, maybe it didn't, and
then they moved on, and then weall moved on and then that was
it.
So it's not this lingeringthing and people aren't thinking
about it days later, but yeah,but it does feel good.
And then other people opened upthat they either had similar
issues or they knew they hadfamily members that had dealt
with it.
So then it kind of humanizes itfor others, where you're like
(08:12):
all right, like they're not notjust this one-off right, um, so
I think, when you can share, notnecessarily that, but just
anything that, whateverstruggles uh, because we all
have challenges and struggles,you know day in and day out
through friends, family, workrelationships, like you know,
whatever it is.
Yeah, so talk a little bit aboutyour background.
I know you spent a lot of timein the operations side of a
(08:33):
medical device, if I understandcorrectly.
So yeah, talk a little bitabout like your career and kind
of the trajectory and how thatwent.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, so it you know.
It's interesting when we'reyounger.
All the adults in the room kindof say what do you want to be
when you grow up?
The fact is, you don't knowbecause you haven't even seen
the world.
So how do we expect teenagersto know what they want to be
when they grow up?
It seems backwards.
(09:01):
I will say for me, what kind ofopened things up is my
stepfather?
He's been a service engineer.
That was his career and Iremember at some point I want to
say it was in high school Istarted realizing like around
the holidays customers weresending him like gifts and cards
(09:22):
and food and all this stuff.
And I'm like man, that seemskind of cool, I kind of want to,
I want to get into that.
So ultimately I ended up goingto the same company he worked in
and I started, you know,customer service, answering
phones on dispatch.
You know we answer about 150calls a day and, to be honest
(09:42):
with you, to this day I hatetalking on the phone because of
how I started my career.
People call me and I know it'sterrible, I don't answer, I'd
rather text.
I just hate talking on thephone.
I know my mother hates itbecause I never answer, but I'm
trying to get better aboutactually calling people.
So that kind of got me into theservice industry.
(10:03):
And especially being a medicaldevice device when you really
know you're impacting otherhuman beings that are on with
their health it just it teachesyou compassion, it teaches you
(10:29):
empathy, it really helps youunderstand what's important.
So that's really how I kind ofgot into the service world.
That's what I've done for 25years.
My roles have gotten bigger,whether it's global or whatnot,
but yeah, that's what I love todo.
I like being able to work onthings that I know that are
(10:50):
helping people, and it's forabout two years.
I remember years and years agoit was probably 15 years ago I
had a non-compete and I had togo into a completely different
industry before I wanted to goto the company I wanted to join.
It was in the food world, whichyou know.
(11:10):
That's great.
But when you've gone fromhealthcare, medical device,
things like that into adifferent industry, it's just
hard every day to have that samepassion.
So, yeah, so I love it.
I've just recently 2024, movedaway from the corporate world,
started my own coaching business.
I always I love the people partof the corporate world.
(11:31):
I always kind of wanted to domy own thing and it's just
really.
It's so weird how not weird,but how that gets you more
excited than almost like yourown stuff that you got going on
for sure.
Um.
So it's just, it's really cooland that's why, like a lot of
(11:53):
the stuff that you do, like whenI see your post, your posts are
so educational.
Every time I read your post, Ifeel like you get a little bit
smarter.
Thanks, but you're impacting,whether it's 10 people, 50
people, 100 people, whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I mean, you're having a daily impact on other people
and that's that's pretty awesomeno, I appreciate you saying
that and I love the the drivingthat point home about.
I felt like this the older Igot, the more you want to start
feel like you're making adifference.
And for a lot of my, for a lotof my work, I wasn't doing that
and and so as I got older, I waslike this doesn't feel right.
This is not aligned.
(12:28):
I'm just a cog in the machineand punching numbers in a
spreadsheet that doesn't.
I'm not really impactinganything.
It's funny you mentionedcustomer service.
So I started my career in sales.
I was there for several yearsand then I was looking to get
out and I'd never worked in anoffice.
I always had a territory, so Iwas just driving around, and so
I went to a temp agency andbasically told her I was like
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I'm just looking for an officejob, I want to try it.
Like I have no idea what I wantto do.
And so they sent me to amanufacturer and they just said
customer service.
I didn't really know what thatmeant, and then I learned
quickly that it was going to beanswering the phones.
So I was like all right, I'llgive it a shot.
I was so good at that job thatI started as a temp and the full
time employees not all of them,but some they would come up to
(13:11):
me and be like you have to stopworking so hard, like you're
making us all look bad, like noone does this much work.
But the funny part was I didn'tfeel like I was working that
hard so I never reallyunderstood that until many, many
years later.
I was working with a careercoach and they had me do this
like diagnostic and then it allcame together.
So that job was so perfectlyaligned to like my basically my
(13:32):
work personality Cause it wasrepetitive.
It was, uh, I felt productiveand it was repeatable.
So, like I was just doing likethe same thing, right, I was
answering the call the same way.
You know, there was a variety,the calls could be a variety of
ways, but I kind of learned allof those.
I was an expert and then Icould just bang it out.
So, like some people were doing, like you know, 70, 75 calls a
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day, I was doing like 125, like140.
We used to do replacementorders for, like, defective
products.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
They were doing like five to seven, I was doing like
15 to 18 and they were likeyou're gonna get us all fired.
You gotta cut this out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I, I know,I definitely know the feeling,
but it's, it's.
It's so funny how it stillimpacts me 25 years later, like
when my phone rings, I'm like Idon't want to, I don't want to
touch it.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm the same way, especially now that texting is,
everybody can do it.
Um, I'm just like just text me.
Why would you call me?
And if anybody leaves avoicemail, I will never listen.
I would.
Somebody could leave me thewinning lottery numbers on my
voicemail.
I'd never get it because I'lllisten to it like nine months
later.
That kills me.
So what?
So, as you move through, uh,medical devices, was it?
(14:48):
Was there?
Did you stay like with thecompany, was a specific device,
was it, um, like ortho, or wasit like?
Did you kind of move aroundlike the different?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
obviously there's a lot of different devices yeah,
so I, I started in in uhhemodialysisysis and then
ultimately went into bloodtransfusion plasma and then,
most recently, my career hasbeen more in the clinical
genomics space.
So DNA sequencing.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
So it's been kind of a little gamut of all of it and
it's always interesting.
You know, there's this weirdtwist when you're in med device.
So, for example, previouscompany I was with, we ended up
being very successful, but wewere very successful because of
COVID.
So it's almost like you know.
(15:37):
So it's this weird kind of somebad stuff happened which makes
you successful, but at the sametime stuff happen which makes
you successful, but at the sametime during that bad stuff
you're helping the people thatit's affecting.
So that's always kind of a youknow that tears at your heart a
little bit, but it's yourbusiness and if you weren't
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there, no one's helping thesepeople.
So that is the positive side.
It's just that's what'sinteresting about the medical
device or even the healthcarefield is you're making profit on
unfortunately not good things,and that's why I'm a really big
proponent of I would love for usto get to preemptive care,
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eating better foods, takingbetter care of ourselves, so we
don't get to that other side.
Pharmaceuticals have to be ondifferent medical devices et
cetera.
But that's tough, but I do.
I guess the positive is, thoughI do feel kind of generations
after you know we're around thesame age generations after us
are looking at more healthyoptions, eating better, like.
(16:43):
I just saw a survey where or areport out where I'm not sure
what generation it is, but it's20-year-olds limiting alcohol.
They don't drink like othergenerations.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, that's a big push.
With the current group,mocktails are much more in vogue
.
I've heard of mocktailtailparties which obviously, when I
was 20 years old that was yousaid mocktail.
You probably get taught anobody know what you're talking
about and b get kicked out sothat was not, that was not a
thing.
Yeah, yeah, so no, I agree withthat.
(17:17):
That's a whole nother.
We could spend a whole topic awhole show on medical and pharma
and trying to keep peoplebasically addicted to pills and
drugs.
But that's too depressing.
We're not going to go there.
So at what point I know youmoved around a lot At what point
did they send you to Europe andhow long were you over there?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah.
So I was in Brussels for aboutfour years, four of the best
years of my life.
The team I had there, the peopleI met, shout out to Edwin
DeLepper, a buddy of mine, whoreally kind of took me under his
wing and took me all aroundEurope and really helped me
experience everything that wasgoing on over there.
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Because I remember when I wasmy first flight over to Brussels
I told myself, when I leavethis experience I want to make
sure I've seen every country Icould see, experienced
everything I could see.
So over four years I mean atthis point I've probably been to
80, 90% of the countries in theworld and it's just such a
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great experience and obviouslythe places are cool, but it's
just it's the people.
Like the people part is whatreally motivates you.
I mean I made so many goodfriends over there and I miss
them dearly to this day.
You know it's hard to get backand forth and and see everyone,
but, man, the stuff I learnedfrom my team in Europe I just I
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hold close to my heart, I carryit with me to this day and, like
I said, I miss those guys.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
No, I love to hear that I've never been to Europe.
My wife studied abroad in Italyand then so she's seen a little
bit of it but hasn't been back,so that's kind of one of our
bucket list trips at some point.
What was the biggest?
You know, living in the statesfor so long and then spending
four years there, what was?
What do you think was thebiggest, either like difference
or what'd you notice about likeliving there, uh, compared to
(19:13):
living in the states definitely.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
You know, for americans we're very focused on
work first, life second,completely flipped on the other.
When you're in Europe, it'slife first.
Work is just to pay the bills,it's just to get food on the
table.
But the ability for theEuropeans, when they leave the
office, to be completelydisconnected from work, versus
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how we do in the US, where wemake our commute home and then
we get back on the computer andwe're right back at it, that was
the biggest part.
I finally, before I went toEurope, I'll be honest I was
like oh Europe, they have allthese holidays off, they're lazy
, et cetera, et cetera.
And then when you get there andyou see how they live, you
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realize they're the ones doingit right not us we have it
backwards.
They're living their life,they're working to support their
life where in the us we live,to work.
And that doesn't mean, you know, some people will be like, well
, you know, you gotta, you gottaput a, put your head down, you
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gotta focus and you gotta workhard.
Yeah, you can still do that,but life is more important.
Your family and your friends,that's what's more important.
Because if you got that stuffright, you know your life, your
family and friends.
The rest of it kind of worksitself out.
So that was the biggest thing Ilearned.
And just the way they socializeis different.
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And man to see, if I could goback in time, how well they are
with languages.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Oh yeah, they all speak like three to five
typically two or three differentlanguages.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I remember I was in a TGI Fridays in Prague.
I was so excited because it waslike a little bit of home right
, here's your taste of home andI'm sitting at kind of a high
top and you could see the bar.
The bar was about like 15 feetaway and I'm watching this
bartender.
He was probably 22 years oldand you know, in Prague you're
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going to get a lot of differentbusiness people, different
languages, and to watch him movebetween all the different
languages so easily, and I wasso impressed.
I remember calling him over andI'm like, hey, are you looking
for like some kind of career job?
Because I would have hired himon the spot.
Not only did he speak fivedifferent languages, he also
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spoke sign language, which justblew me away.
He was 22 years old, working abar at TGI Fridays, and we
ultimately I got a call from himabout a year later and he's
like hey, you know I want totake you up on that offer.
Unfortunately I'd alreadygotten back to the US, but it
was so impressive to watch thisyoung guy go through the
(22:04):
different languages, as he'skind of working himself across
the bar.
So just stuff like that.
This is really reallyimpressive.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Now that is super impressive and I mean the main
reason is right.
They started learning it at avery young age whereas here we
don't.
And then they eventually forceyou to take some type of
language, typically in highschool.
Well, at that point it's mostlytoo late, and so we also don't
teach.
Because I took a lot of Spanishin high school and college, I
know some words but I neverlearned how to speak it, because
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they only teach you how towrite it.
They teach you vocab, theyteach you how to write a
sentence, but that does notteach you and equip you to have
like a conversation, and it'scompletely different.
Whereas when you're younger,your just ability to learn, you
can absorb so much more and Bthey teach them how to speak it,
and so once you're young andyou start speaking it, it just
becomes second nature.
And so, yeah, that it's notuncommon for them to know their
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native language, typicallyEnglish, and then like a
neighboring country or something, and so I think, yeah, like
three is like minimum, I think.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
It's hard.
I mean I took French classesfor a year when I was over in
Europe.
I'm not afraid to say I came inlike last in the class as far
as learning the languages, andsome of it's because I don't
even speak English very well.
So you know, I kind of chalk itup to that.
But I mean it's hard.
Especially young kids, I think,learn languages a lot quicker
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than you can as an adult.
So that's a pretty humbling.
That's also a humblingexperience.
Right, you're in a class oflike five people and everyone's
picking it up.
And here I am, like I've gotthree words under my belt and,
to be honest with you, the threewords were like how to order a
drink at the bar, how to saythank you for that drink like
you know stuff that I reallycouldn't use in my professional
(23:43):
life.
So that was, that was quite theexperience.
But even you know, when you'retrying to learn a different
language, it definitely picks upa different part of your brain,
for sure, um.
So you start looking at thingsdifferently, you perceive things
differently, even from, like a,an emotions standpoint.
It kind of triggers a differentyeah, a piece of your brain.
So all that's way over my head.
(24:04):
But again, four years that someof the best years of my life
love it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Tell the uh, tell the van damme story real fast.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well, so you know, me and john clive were best
budsude were best buds.
He doesn't know it.
He doesn't know who I am.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
One-way friendship, but it's all right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And he must have been visiting.
I do think he's actually fromBelgium.
I think most people think he'sfrom France, but I think he's
actually from Belgium.
But I've been a part of thisgym for well over a year at this
point, maybe two years Neversaw him before.
Really beautiful gym, niceswimming pools, tennis courts,
the whole thing.
I remember I was on the cablepools, the back workout, and
(24:51):
there was two side by side.
I just finished the set and Ilooked to my right and at first
it didn't register and then inmy head I'm like shit, that
looks fun.
I look back and John called medown Like a complete doofus.
Anytime I see somebody famous,I look at him when he finishes
his set and I'm like I don'teven know why I?
(25:13):
said it.
I'm like you're.
John called me down he kind oflooked at me and he's like, yes,
I am.
And then he got.
And what made it worse is hehad just finished his first set.
He actually got up and walkedoff.
I know he needed to do two orthree more sets.
So I'm just sitting there likewhy did I just confirm to him
(25:36):
that he's Jean-Claude Van Damme?
And oh my god, I'm like why didI just confirm to him that he's
sure he was?
And oh my God, I'm like I hopehe never comes back.
Luckily, I never saw him thereagain, I think I think he was
visiting, but I know he wasn'tdone working out on those sets.
He's just, he's like I had toget away from this ball.
Yeah so, but I consider youknow, hey, we're best buds.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
And I was almost in one of his movies.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Hey, hey, we're the best buds and.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I was almost in one of his movies.
Hey, you know, sometimes wehave identity crisis and we need
strangers to bring us back andbe like yes, I am.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
He doesn't know what he's missing out on.
I could have been his next bestaction star.
He doesn't even know.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Bloodsport 2 with Ryan Snelling.
That is hilarious.
I love that story.
Bloodsport was one of myfavorite movies as a kid I used
to watch.
I'd go to my grandparents houseon an old vcr and my, my
grandfather had several moviestaped and it was like rambo,
blues brothers, top gun andblood sport and he would like
carefully write you know his oldschool right like the tape.
(26:30):
Uh, there's.
If young people are listeningto this, they're gonna think I'm
making this up, but you wouldput tape on the outside of the
recorder and then he would writethe.
It'd be like zero to like 25,99 like blues brothers.
And then you know yeah 2600 to5000 top gun right anyway.
So blood sport was one of thosemovies and so I'd come home
after school like 13 or 14, andI'd pop one of those tapes in
and it was like one of thosefour movies like on rotation for
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like two years he's a tiny guy.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Is he really he's tiny?
Oh wow, sorry, sean, glad incase you, in case you watch this
, but he's a tiny guy, is hereally he's tiny?
Oh wow, sorry, sean, in caseyou watch this, but he's a
little guy.
I mean, you watch those moviesyou're like, oh, he's this big,
he's a little guy.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think a lot of actors are smaller because
obviously Tom Cruise is smalland Stallone is small, at least
from a height standpoint.
But yeah, obviously the screenmakes him look a lot bigger.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But yeah, that's really funny.
Uh, I love that story.
I I disgusted him, he walkedoff in a huff and puff.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
It's been great if he'd have been like I've who,
who, who is that?
I have no?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
idea, no idea what you're talking about yeah, never
heard of that guy.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
What so, when you came back then, was that you
were still the same company.
Say you're over there and youwere still in the same company
when you came back.
Is that when?
You is that when you went toaustin, or how did you end up?
How'd you end up?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
in austin.
I actually, when I came back, Itook on a global vp role of
customer support serviceoperations.
So I did that for a few yearsand then ultimately to be honest
with you kind of got tired ofwinters in Chicago.
I'm from Baton Rouge.
I grew up in Florida.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
So by this time I'd been in Chicago minus the
European years for about 12years and I really just wanted
to get back down south.
Opportunity came up with acompany that was looking to
eventually get purchased, sothere was some really good
equity opportunities.
And my fiance's got family inDallas, so Austin's not too far
(28:25):
away, so it just made sense whenthe opportunity came out, I
just I really wanted to get backinto warmer weather.
Love Chicago.
A great city, beautiful duringthe summer, but cold, a lot of
snow, it gets dark, a lot oftraffic.
It gets dark real early.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, I lived there for two years and my wife grew
up there, so I'm very familiarwith it and I love visiting, but
it wasn't my favorite place tolive.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, yeah, oh.
It's a great town.
It's a great sports town.
If you're into sports, it's awonderful sports town.
Like if you're in the sports,it's a wonderful sports town.
And then, like I said, duringthe summer it's gorgeous.
During the summer I remember weused to play, uh, beach
volleyball, like right out there, like montrose harbor, it was
this.
It was so surreal.
You're playing beach volleyballand you see all the skyscrapers
(29:12):
and stuff yeah just, yeah, justa really beautiful place love
it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I've never been.
I've only been to Dallas once.
I actually told this storyrecently.
I won't retell it here becauseit's too long, but I was in
Dallas once I was connectingfrom Anaheim.
I was living in Columbus, Ohioat the time, so I spent about
two hours in Dallas Airport.
It was my only visit to Texasbut I do want to get down there
because I have a lot ofconnections in the kind of
(29:38):
Dallas Austin general area so atsome point I will make my way
down.
Yeah, so talk a little bitabout the coaching because
obviously you and I both arerelatively new and recent to the
coaching business.
But I know you said you'd beenthinking about another way to
help people and obviously usingall of your experience and like
a mentor type role and likehelping others.
(29:59):
But yeah, talk a little bitabout kind of what your coaching
like is and like who you workwith sure.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Sure you know, when I was in corporate I always felt
like I was kind of coaching I Inever felt like a boss or
manager.
I always felt like I wascoaching.
And I don't know if that's fromgrowing up in sports or however
that translated, but I knew atsome point I wanted that to be
(30:26):
my main focus.
I was very fortunate over thelast 25 years to have a couple
of very good mentors, peoplethat really took a focus in me
and helping me build my career,and I always just kind of wanted
to return the favor to otherpeople that were out there, a
little bit like we talked aboutearlier.
(30:47):
Like when you see, you knowsomeone get a promotion or
someone get a new job or make acomplete career change and do
something successful careerchange and do something
successful the feeling you getfrom that it's almost
indescribable because it's moreexciting than when you have your
own success.
So to be able to do that nowwith my clients and help them
(31:10):
advance their careers I've beenfortunate, I've been blessed to
see most of the world.
I've seen a lot of good stuff.
I've seen a lot of bad stuff.
I've had great managers.
I've had terrible managers.
I've screwed up stuff myselfthat I've had to learn from.
So to be able to kind of tellthose stories to clients and
guide them through thingsbecause I do feel like at this
(31:31):
point that there's not much Ihaven't seen good or bad.
So to be able to walk peoplethrough that.
So, like part of my programpeople, they have access to me
for eight weeks, 24-7.
And the reason I do that?
Because a lot of people arelike, oh, you shouldn't do that,
it's going to kill your time,but you can't plan life, and so
(31:54):
when things are happening inpeople's career or work, I want
them to be able to like, shootme a text and say, hey, just had
this meeting.
It didn't go well.
Can we chat for 30 minutes, youknow, so I can kind of walk
them through that, as opposed towaiting for our standard
one-on-one that we have eachweek.
Or hey, you know, I've got thisbig presentation coming up.
Can we talk and you kind ofguide me through it?
(32:15):
It's just, it's hard to describe, it's almost like it's.
It's almost like your kids,right, and you're trying to like
help them develop and you wantto see them succeed.
So it's been great.
I've been doing it for the lastcouple months.
I love it.
I do miss being part of teams.
You know, in a businessenvironment there's definitely
something to be said about theloneliness of, you know, being a
(32:37):
solopreneur, kind of going outon your own.
So you know you take the goodand your bad.
I'll probably end up back incorporate at some point, but
I'll still be doing this on theside and eventually, when I grow
up and figure out you know,really what I want to do.
It's probably what I'll end updoing, so it's been great.
(32:58):
What I want to do, it'sprobably what I'll end up doing,
so it's been great.
You start it because you wantto make the money, but then you
realize, man, there's so muchmore.
I just got a text this morningfrom one of my clients who just
went through five rounds ofinterviews.
She just got the call that shegot the job, so you could read
the excitement through the text.
I mean, it made my day right,like rest of my day is going to
(33:21):
be good.
Just knowing that, you know,knowing I assisted in that that
journey no, I love that.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
There's so much energy.
It's so energizing when thathappens I think the biggest
lesson for me I learned itpretty early on is that you know
money does not buy happinessand you know, at a certain point
, like I don't know what thenumber is, but like once your
basic needs are met and then alittle bit beyond that, then
anything above that does not addanything.
Right, and so I think we werekind of programmed like you said
(33:49):
we're similar in age Like wewere programmed to like get the
degree, get a job, work your wayup the ladder, more promotions,
titles, money, like all thatkind of stuff.
And then you get to a certainpoint and you're like okay, this
is not great, this is not.
This wasn't how I was, thiswasn't.
I was sold something different.
Because, again, if you don't,if you're not doing work that
(34:10):
like fulfills you and, like yousaid, you're not having an
impact and all that kind ofstuff, then they really the
money at some point, doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
add Remember when we were younger and you wanted the
coolest car possible?
Yeah, you didn't have the moneyto get it.
Then it's funny once you havethe money to buy whatever car
you want.
I don't even want a car.
I drive a 2020 Chevy truck.
(34:41):
That's what I got.
I don't want anything fancy andI'd be fine not even having
that.
But first 20 years of my lifeI'm like oh, I got to make money
.
It's just that cool car.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, I was always looking at Trans Ams and I
remember the Irox.
I love the Irox at, yeah, transams and I remember the irox.
I love the irox and my uncle uhhad a 325 beamer, which he took
care of in a way that I didn'teven know you could take care of
cars.
And then he he eventuallyupgraded it to a 5 series and he
actually got it.
They flew to germany like hegot it directly from like base
(35:16):
operations and then, right rightafter he got it, we were
driving home from a restaurant.
It was him, I was in the frontseat, uh, my aunt and their
third child and he got it up to125 on the highway and I thought
it was like awesome, like I waslike you know, early 20s, this
is the coolest thing.
My aunt was so pissed at him andshe was like that's so reckless
(35:39):
, like we could have crashed.
I was like, nah, he did, he had, he had it.
This was good.
It was not we were.
We were silent the whole time.
Um, but yeah and then.
Yeah, like you said, like Idrive a 2016 crv, I think I'm
like the youngest person whodrives that car by like 20, like
20 years car by like 20, like20 years.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, yeah, so it's true.
I mean, I remember being, uh,you know, I spent a lot of time
in germany and uh, I rememberthe first time going on the, the
autobahn, and I made themistake of doing a conference
call while I was driving on theautobahn and in a way it was
cool because I'm like, oh this,I'm probably doing a conference
call at the fastest speedeveryone's ever done, but man,
when you see those cars comeflying through at 100 something
(36:25):
miles an hour, I gotta get yourcar shakes and at the time I was
driving an audi, it was like anaudi a4, which I don't fit in
like.
I probably looked like I wasdriving a golf cart well, not
out there on the autobahn doinga conference call.
These cars are flying through.
I was like I guess this is cool, but these guys that are flying
(36:45):
by me I'm just like this guy'sgot to get out of the way, yeah.
But like I said, even now, if Ididn't have a car I'd be
perfectly happy.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
No, I hear you, my kids are the same way they're.
No, I hear you, my kids are thesame way.
They they're obsessed with avery advanced you know maybox
and bentonies and maserati.
We see some maseratis aroundhere from time to time and
they're, just like you know,obsessed with it and million
dollar houses when they getolder and like all this super
flashy stuff and I'm like I mean, if it ends up working out,
great, but chances are you'renot going to want hardly any of
(37:15):
that stuff, yeah, down the road,but yeah, it is, yeah, I mean
the.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
The bigger your house is, the more yard work you got,
the more you know.
We were talking a little bitbefore we started.
Appliances start breaking, likeall of a sudden you're
repairing everything.
It's like less as you get oldermaybe this is why they say you
get wiser when you get older.
Less really is more like I gotmy friends, I got I got my, got
(37:39):
my family.
That's all I need.
The rest is just kind of it'sjust extra.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Well, it's like the old quote right Youth is wasted
on the young.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I did plenty of wasting and dumb stuff when I
was young, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So talk about the aspiring golfers.
So I've played a lot of golf.
I don't play much anymore, butat one time I played quite
frequently.
If you're still thinking aboutit, I would not recommend it
because it'll drive you crazy.
I think it's the hardest sportto learn of any of the sports.
It's super difficult.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
It is Well, let's get one thing straight I'm a
terrible golfer.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Most people are yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Some of my buddies are actually really good golfers
and it pisses me off, quitefrankly.
I grew up being able to pick upany sport except for golf.
I'm actually amazed at how badI can be sometimes, the amount
of destruction I cause on a golfcourse, you know, when there's
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buildings around or homes aroundor stuff like that.
But the problem with golf andthis is, I think, what drives
people nuts is you have that onelittle moment of brilliance
that brings you back every time.
You know you hit that one goodshot or you have that one birdie
and you're like, okay, I can doit.
Here we are 25 years later.
I still haven't figured it out.
(39:07):
I still can't do it.
I still do the same stuff I did, you know, two decades ago.
But it gets you outside.
You know, you know two decadesago, but get you outside.
You know you're with friends,depending on where you're at,
you get good weather.
So I love it.
I mean it's a, it's a passionof mine.
It kind of helps me separatefrom the work stuff, business
stuff, et cetera.
And uh, it's just so funnybecause it can piss you off when
(39:30):
you can love it at the sametime.
But I mean that's life right.
Life pisses you off and youlove it at the same time.
It kind of works.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, it's a very hard sport.
I started playing when I was 13.
And I knew through family alocal pro who helped me out, and
so I started out with lessonsand clubs and so I was never
that good.
I didn't have a lot of naturalgolf talent.
I was a athlete.
So I was good at most of thetraditional sports.
Golf was a little bit differentbecause I couldn't overpower it
right, I couldn't.
(39:58):
I couldn't out athlete golfbecause there's so much
technique and, uh, it's verytechnical.
It's a lot like swimming, um,so technique is so important, uh
.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
But I got to the point where I could play, yeah,
for a while but, the ball isjust sitting there, right like
you play baseball, the ball ismoving rapidly and I can hit
that, but you put that littleball on the ground and it's like
I just it's like I lose allathletic ability once I step on
(40:27):
a golf course yeah, it's well,it's so mental.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I mean, golf is so mental.
Um, you know it's I wasthinking about this a couple
months ago the analogy of, like,when you go to the driving
range, right, it's so mucheasier.
So, whether it's before yourround or if you're just going to
practice, right, and the reasonis that you're completely
relaxed because there's nodownside to a bad shot, right,
so like you can hit it straight,right or top it or chunk it or
(40:53):
whatever, but it doesn't matter,because you're like I'm just
going to hit another ball, butyour body relaxes.
But then when you get to thecourse, then you've got trees,
you've got sand, you've gotwater, fairways are narrow, so
now there's repercussions, butyou have a hard time mentally
relaxing.
You tend to tense up.
So it's interesting, and youcould apply that to speaking or
(41:19):
like whatever you're doing.
But you have to figure out away to kind of tap into, like
the driving range mentality ofjust like relaxing and letting
go of the outcome and you justlike do the best you can and
whatever happens happens.
But when you get to the courseright, and I struggled with that
for a long time it's like I washitting it so good on the range
like 20 minutes ago, and nowlike where did all, where did
that go?
And it's like, well, it's, it'shere and it's just.
You know, your body is now in adifferent state well and you're
(41:40):
spot on that.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
It's mental right.
And we're talking about, likeposting on linkedin earlier,
like how many times do you readit?
You write a post, so you'relike man, I love this, but as
soon as you want to hit thatbutton to make it public, all
all this crap starts to happenin your head.
Or you know, before you do apresentation, you know you're a
hundred percent prepared.
Soon, as you walk on that stage, here comes all that crap and I
(42:05):
that's why I admire people thatwork through that, that push
themselves through that, thatkind of work through it, because
we all have that crap.
There's all this stuff going on.
The difference is who lets thattake them over and who who
pushes right through that.
And that's probably why I likethe coaching too, because I love
(42:27):
to see where they start onceyou get to the end and I
remember even you know, when Iwas getting coached.
So you know, shout out to Allie, I had all this crap in my head
of why I shouldn't do it.
And then, as you kind of workthrough the process and you know
, even like when you and I didsome stuff together you work
(42:48):
through the stuff and then yourealize like I completely
manifested all that stuff.
There was no reason to worryabout it and there's always
going to be there's always goingto be people that that have a
negative aspect on.
On what you like.
I mentioned earlier I had agood buddy who said you know you
shouldn't post personal stuffonline.
It's like, well, why, it's whoI am, like I've got, I've got
(43:10):
things I want to say.
So it's yeah, the mental,mental part in sports, business,
whatever relationships.
It's such a big, a big piecethat unfortunately, we kind of
manifest you know somethingthat's really not there,
nothing's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
What's the?
Speaker 2 (43:30):
worst going to happen if you put yourself out there.
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, no, that's a great point.
And you know, when I startedthis again almost 20 months ago,
like we said earlier, with noreal experience, like same, like
I I was like, oh, I don't, youknow, it's not something I've
ever done.
And now it's literally changedthe rest of my life, like the
just a, the work I'm doing, thepeople that I've met.
You know, I've traveled out ofthe country to meet people, like
, all these things have happenedsimply because I took a chance
(43:55):
and started telling storiesonline, which sounds crazy, but
you never know until you, untilyou give it a shot, right, and
if it doesn't and that's whatultimately, my coach at the time
told me he was like, if you doit and it goes nowhere, you
aren't any worse off than if youhadn't.
Like you'll just be right backwhere you started, but at least
you'll know that you've tried,whereas if you don't try, you're
still where you are, but thenyou're always wondering, well,
(44:17):
like what would have happened?
Right, so you might as wellgive it a spin and and see.
So, yeah, it's great, greatinsight for like just to take it
, like take a chance.
If there's something you wantto do, like, take a chance, it's
(44:37):
almost therapeutic.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I mean I know we talked about a few weeks ago.
You know I posted that about myincident in the Swiss Alps.
All my friends and stuff theyalways want me to tell that
story over and over.
But it's difficult for me totell because I experienced it
and it wasn't a great situationand my brain's actually blocked
out a lot of it.
But I will say, when I actuallyposted it, when I got it down
on paper, like physically, gotit out there, it was almost
(45:03):
therapeutic For sure, because italmost took all that built up
emotion and negativity from it.
And it's like I just put it outthere and the amount of
messages that I got from peopleafter telling that story, like
people were like hey, can youtell me more details?
Can they?
Like you know they wanted tokind of go through it.
(45:23):
It ended up being therapeuticbecause I kind of shut down, I
mean it, it when it happened.
It's one of those things, likeyou, I would never take it away.
I learned so much from it.
Right, you get this likenear-death experience and you
kind of you learn a lot from it.
You learn your limitations.
Obviously I can't snowboard,but yeah, just getting it
(45:47):
physically out there, online orwriting it down on paper.
It was.
It was very therapeutic Creditto my fiance because I talked
about writing that story foreverand she pushed it and pushed it
.
She's like it's a great storyand I'm like, yeah, for you it's
a great story.
For me it wasn't exactly agreat story at the time.
(46:10):
Now, looking back, yeah, right,things happen at the time.
Now, looking back, yeah, yeah,right, it's it's things happen.
But man, I tell, I tell myclients all the time, write
stuff down right now, get it outthere yeah, there's.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
There's something about that process and I even
think what you're talking aboutlike actually writing it.
It's even better than typing it.
Typing is better than doingnothing at all.
But there is something aboutthe, the brain, the process of
the brain, to, you know, gettingit out on paper, you process it
differently, you think about itdifferently.
Like you said, it allows it'skind of a, it's an exodus, you
(46:45):
know, out of the body, you know,as you're still with you, but
it's just different.
So a hundred percent agree onreally anything.
And I'm not a journaler.
I've tried to journal a billiontimes.
I can't stick with it, but theprinciple of just writing just
has incredible, incrediblebenefits.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, and to be honest with you, and I don't
know if it's right or wrong andI'm probably kind of going
against what most people do,like most of my posts, I
literally I get up in themorning and what you see is what
I just wrote out.
It's not, it's typically, it'snot pre-planned, I don't have a
thought behind it.
A lot of what I write gets away, gets away from my, my niche,
(47:21):
my niche.
But I'm just kind of saying myperspective and, you know,
resonates for some people, otherpeople it doesn't, and that's
okay.
You know some people talk aboutyou.
Eventually get your own tribeand it's that.
We've all built a community outthere.
I just love it.
I love to see what people putout there.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
I agree, I have ideas .
I can batch ideas, but I can'tbatch content.
So I typically write the daybefore, sometimes the night
before.
I don't usually write the dayof, but I write a lot based on
feel.
So I'll have an idea and ifthat feels right then I'll go
with it.
But if it doesn't, then I'll gothrough my, like other ideas
and find one that resonates, andthen eventually I will and then
(48:04):
I'll write about that.
So I think there's a big.
I think that really helps whenyou're writing, uh, to have some
emotion and some feel behind.
I think it.
Just it helps, right, you'renot forcing it or you're not
like all right, I'm going towrite this today Because I've
written posts like that whereit's just on my calendar but I
don't really want to write itand I never like enjoy that
nearly as much.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah Well, I like like with you.
You're very good at focusedcontent.
My content is not focused, it'skind of all over the place and
really my content probably isn'tfor LinkedIn, it's probably
some other social media platform.
But again, I'm not all those,and that's what I really admire
(48:45):
about what you do, because Iknow when I go to see your posts
, I know what I'm going to get,I know it's going to teach me
something, and that's what Ireally love.
I love when people can theyknow what their audience is,
they know what their idealclient is and they focus on that
.
And ultimately, because you dothat, that's why you're
(49:06):
successful.
I'm still trying to figure outhow to define success.
Is it clients?
Is it saying what?
Getting what I want to say outthere?
You know a lot of people talkabout online too.
I'm traditionally introverted,I'm not a big talker or whatnot.
So this kind of gives me aoutlet and I'm okay with that
(49:31):
being my success.
If it leads to more money,great.
But I've met a lot of greatpeople through this.
You know, through thistransition, I've got to have a
lot of great conversations, likewith you and with other people,
and to me that feels likesuccess.
The rest doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, I mean, there's obviously different, different
definitions of success foreveryone.
I appreciate what you saidabout you know, my content
content.
I will say, though, that tookme a long time to get to that
point.
You know, when I first startedwriting, it was all over the
place.
I talked a lot about, you know,motivational stuff, quotes,
stories from my sports andracing background books I'd read
(50:09):
, you know it was.
It was because I didn't.
I really didn't know what I wasdoing, and so I was just kind
of taking my experience.
Now, over time, it eventuallygot a little more, a little
narrower, and now it's somewhatdefined, but that is difficult.
I found that very difficult todo at first and I think a lot of
people struggled so, but Ithink that's fine.
I think that's part of theprocess, and so if you are new
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to creating, like, write aboutdifferent stuff like it doesn't
have to be about to your idealclient or it doesn't have to be
about your business, like youknow that's, I think that's
totally fine I got a message.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Uh, it was last week late last week, thursday or
friday.
It blew my mind because someonesaid hey, I would like to hear
more about what you do.
I really like you know, seeingyou as a content creator nice
and I was like you just calledme a content creator.
What does that even mean?
Speaker 1 (50:59):
welcome to the club.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Yeah, it's like, did he just say content creator?
It blew my mind.
I remember he even got up andran in the other room and I'm
like hey, hey, cat, some guyjust called me a content creator
, so he kind of looked at melike no, but you're no, you were
like and I'm gonna start myyoutube channel and my instagram
reels and all I'm gonna it's anempire.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
It's gonna be a content creation empire coming
I'm the next joe rogan here.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
We go there, you go there you go, mr mr b snelling's
yeah, so it blew.
It blew my mind and I respondedback and actually they ended up
being a client.
Nice.
It was just funny though, theterminology, the wording,
because even now I don't evenconsider that.
I literally am just kind ofspeaking what's on my mind and
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you know, unfortunately itdoesn't always have to do with
my niche and I'm okay with thatnow, at first I wasn't.
I was like man, I got to getfocused.
I got to do with my niche andI'm okay with that now, at first
I wasn't.
I was like man, I gotta getfocused, I gotta do this.
But I'm like, I'm just gonna beme and some people are gonna
like it and some aren't and youknow, eventually, like I said, I
hope to get back in thecorporate.
There's gonna be some corporatepeople that go and look at my
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post and be like I don't knowabout this guy, and then there's
gonna be the ones that do likeit, and that's who I want to be
around.
Those are my people.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
No, totally get it.
Well, this has been a greathour of conversation that's
flown by.
I really appreciate you comingon, sharing your insight and
part of your backstory, anyparting thoughts, any final
words you can leave the audiencewith, and then people that are
interested in learning more.
What's the best way to reachout and how to find you?
Speaker 2 (52:36):
best way to find me is on linkedin.
I'm working on the instagrampiece, still learning that,
still building out a website,trying to uh get that kind of
finished and that way everythingjust kind of connects together.
But yeah, going going to myprofile on linkedin, even if you
just got a random questionabout something.
I love helping people,especially if they're trying to
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build their career, especiallyyoung people trying to get
started in their career.
It's tough out there, it's atough market.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
On top of that.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
I'd just say David, love what you're doing, love
your content, appreciate youletting me on here, love your
content, uh, appreciate youletting me on here and uh, keep
educating people because it itit really makes a bigger impact
than you you probably realize.
So I appreciate you and I Iappreciate other content
creators that are doing theirthing and uh, it takes takes a
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lot of balls.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
It's not easy no, I appreciate that.
No, thank you, I appreciatethat a lot of balls.
It's not easy.
No.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
No, thank you.
I appreciate that a lot.
I appreciate you coming on andwe'll do it again sometime.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Thanks, ryan.
All right, david, thank you.
Welcome to the Real you Podcast.
This is episode 33.
I'm David Young, your host.
I'm a LinkedIn content andbusiness coach and I help
coaches with less than 3,000followers grow their businesses
on LinkedIn through betterstorytelling and content
creation.
I launched this podcast inMarch of 2024 to spotlight
interesting people doing amazingthings, and today I'm joined by
Ryan Snellings, a globalservice leader, career growth
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coach and an aspiring golfer.
We will discuss his corporatejourney, living and working
overseas.
We might even talk about johnclaude van dam for several years
not john claude for severalyears the working overseas for
several years and what it's liketo start a new coaching
business.
So, ryan, my friend, thanks formaking time for me today thanks
for having me, david.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I I appreciate it.
I've been watching all yourother podcasts and you got some
pretty interesting people onthere, so hopefully I can kind
of live up to that, but I loveall the stuff that you're doing.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh no, I appreciate that and I think the John Claude
Van Damme story itself will putyou right close to the top
because it's a good one.
So, yeah, we'll get to that.
Yeah, so appreciate it.
We got to know each other alittle bit in the last few
months, kind of part of the samecoaching program with with ali
rizakos, and work together alittle bit kind of over
thanksgiving and first part ofdecember.
So, yeah, I love what you'redoing and it always comes across
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really especially in this kindof ai.
You know a lot of ai contentlike your content just always
comes across as very ryan, likeit, just very you and good sense
of humor and honesty, and soit's refreshing to see on the
platform.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, that's good to hear.
Fortunately, maybe,unfortunately, I'm probably not
smart enough to get into the AIstuff.
But yeah, I mean, you know, Ilike to say what I think.
I, you know it is LinkedIn, soI do limit it.
You know, I don't want tostretch too far into you, don't
want to get too edgy, eventhough sometimes there's more I
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want to say.
But it's man, it's such a newexperience.
I'm pretty reserved, like Idon't like to be public.
I don't have any kind of socialmedia outside of LinkedIn.
Last week I week I'm trying toget started on Instagram.
My buddy across the street, hishigh school daughter, is trying
to show me how to use Instagramand kind of navigate through
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that.
So the posting thing for me iscompletely new.
And to be honest with you andI'm sure a lot of people face
this I remember writing my firstpost and it took hours for me
to actually hit the post button.
I was scared to death.
I'm like, oh my gosh, no one'sgoing to care what I have to say
(02:35):
.
But man, once you do it and yousee other people doing it, it's
just I don't know.
There's kind of a relief to it.
And then, when you see otherpeople doing it.
You respect it right, becauseyou know how hard it is.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, for sure, and I think LinkedIn is a great place
to start.
I was the same way as you.
I didn't have a social mediaprior.
I mean, I had a LinkedInaccount but I wasn't using it.
But I didn't have Instagram,tiktok.
I have a Twitter account causeI think the big thing is you
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think everyone in your networkis going to see everything that
you're putting out Right, soyou're like you know I have,
however many followers orconnections like oh my God,
they're all going to read this.
So it's good to remember thatonly the less than 20% of of
your connections will actuallyever see any of your any one
post, cause that's not the waythe algorithm works.
So most people have no ideathat you're even posting.
So that should give youeveryone a little bit more
confidence.
It's a small number.
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Two, it's a pretty supportive.
I've found LinkedIn to be verysupportive.
Yeah, I mean, there's alwayssome naysayers here and there,
kind of no matter what you do,but for the most part, people
(03:49):
are pretty encouraging of yourstory and your background and if
you're starting a business andI found people to be very
forthcoming with help and adviceand it's a really it's a good
place from that standpoint.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, 100 I mean.
I mean it's.
It's kind of weird.
You almost build this communityof people that you know you've
never met in person, but you,you know, you met them online
and, yeah, very supportive.
You know, every once in a whileyou get know you kind of get
that hater out there.
The funny thing is sometimeswhen you get like that hater in
your comments and stuff, itactually just increases the
algorithm because you get morecomments and stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You know, for me, because I was coming from a
corporate world which you know,and I don't mean in a bad way,
but it's a little more stifled,a little more buttoned up and
you know, people tend to notwant to really say what they
really think, or for good or bad, or they don't want to get
personal.
Like I know, when I startedposting at a really good friend
(04:37):
of mine and he met well and he'slike you know, you probably
shouldn't get very personalonline and I'm like you know
what, even in corporate with myemployees, I get personal with
them.
I mean, they're people I'venever bought into that whole.
Oh, you've got employees.
You can't be friends with them.
It doesn't make sense.
We're human beings, we'rearound each other.
You're around employees morethan you're around your own
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family and if you can't enjoy itand appreciate what they're
going through and really havethat really kind of a deep
relationship outside of the workpart, then to me that's just
silly.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
No, I totally agree, and I think it's on LinkedIn,
talking about the personalstories.
I think it's becoming more andmore not only accepted but
encouraged, because there is somuch AI, there's so many ways to
generate AI content or have AIcreate your content, which is
fine, I mean, it's obviouslygreat for efficiency.
But then it all just starts tolook and sound the same and most
of it then becomes very surfacelevel content, right, like if
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you can Google it or YouTube itor GPT create it, then it all
will blend together, whereasthose platforms at least not yet
they can't tell like yourpersonal journey and your
personal story, right, becausethey have to be prompted, they
don't just know things.
So when you get on and sharespecifics of, like your
background, your career, travel,hobbies, whatever, like people
(05:57):
really like those posts because,a, like you said, it humanized
you and we're all humans and B,you start to build just more of
a trust and authenticity to your, to your content.
And if you're doing business,then that's I mean people.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
We all do business with people, so you're trying to
attract people and that's howyou do it right with your yeah,
yeah, and it's, it's so, and I Ithink that's why I kind of
admire people that that post,especially when they post
personal stuff, because I meanyou just you're throwing your
life out there into this, thisvoid, right like you don't.
(06:29):
You don't know who's seeing orwhatnot.
But the funny thing is what Irealized quickly is even the
people that read your contentthey're so tied up in their own
stuff they don't remember it 30minutes later, anyway for sure.
So whatever you say, I meanunless it really sparks
something or resonates with themand they carry it with it,
(06:50):
ultimately they go on and youknow go, you know go throughout
their day as normal.
Yeah, so that kind of helped too.
It kind of, in a way, ithumbles you because you realize,
like you know you make a postand you're like, oh, this is
going to be a good post,everyone's going to love it.
And then you get you know 500impressions and then you're like
(07:10):
, oh okay, maybe it wasn't,maybe it wasn't as cool as I
thought it was, but that youknow, that's okay.
Everyone's got their own voice,everyone's got stuff to say and
I just I really enjoy whenpeople kind of put themselves
out there.
I've got the utmost respect forthat.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, that was for me .
I did a post this last fallabout I've had obsessive
compulsive disorder for most ofmy adult life and I'd never
really talked about it.
Very few people even knew aboutit.
I've been thinking about writingabout it and then I eventually
did, and that was not easy towrite and put out there.
But then once I did, it waslike people were very supportive
and nobody mocked it or madefun of it.
And then, like you said, thatwas it.
(07:50):
They read it, maybe itresonated, maybe it didn't, and
then they moved on, and then weall moved on and then that was
it.
So it's not this lingeringthing and people aren't thinking
about it days later, but yeah,but it does feel good.
And then other people opened upthat they either had similar
issues or they knew they hadfamily members that had dealt
with it.
So then it kind of humanizes itfor others, where you're like
(08:12):
all right, like they're not notjust this one-off right, um, so
I think, when you can share, notnecessarily that, but just
anything that, whateverstruggles uh, because we all
have challenges and struggles,you know day in and day out
through friends, family, workrelationships, like you know,
whatever it is.
Yeah, so talk a little bit aboutyour background.
I know you spent a lot of timein the operations side of a
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medical device, if I understandcorrectly.
So yeah, talk a little bitabout like your career and kind
of the trajectory and how thatwent.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, so it you know.
It's interesting when we'reyounger.
All the adults in the room kindof say what do you want to be
when you grow up?
The fact is, you don't knowbecause you haven't even seen
the world.
So how do we expect teenagersto know what they want to be
when they grow up?
It seems backwards.
(09:01):
I will say for me, what kind ofopened things up is my
stepfather?
He's been a service engineer.
That was his career and Iremember at some point I want to
say it was in high school Istarted realizing like around
the holidays customers weresending him like gifts and cards
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and food and all this stuff.
And I'm like man, that seemskind of cool, I kind of want to,
I want to get into that.
So ultimately I ended up goingto the same company he worked in
and I started, you know,customer service, answering
phones on dispatch.
You know we answer about 150calls a day and, to be honest
(09:42):
with you, to this day I hatetalking on the phone because of
how I started my career.
People call me and I know it'sterrible, I don't answer, I'd
rather text.
I just hate talking on thephone.
I know my mother hates itbecause I never answer, but I'm
trying to get better aboutactually calling people.
So that kind of got me into theservice industry.
(10:03):
And especially being a medicaldevice device when you really
know you're impacting otherhuman beings that are on with
their health it just it teachesyou compassion, it teaches you
(10:29):
empathy, it really helps youunderstand what's important.
So that's really how I kind ofgot into the service world.
That's what I've done for 25years.
My roles have gotten bigger,whether it's global or whatnot,
but yeah, that's what I love todo.
I like being able to work onthings that I know that are
(10:50):
helping people, and it's forabout two years.
I remember years and years agoit was probably 15 years ago I
had a non-compete and I had togo into a completely different
industry before I wanted to goto the company I wanted to join.
It was in the food world, whichyou know.
(11:10):
That's great.
But when you've gone fromhealthcare, medical device,
things like that into adifferent industry, it's just
hard every day to have that samepassion.
So, yeah, so I love it.
I've just recently 2024, movedaway from the corporate world,
started my own coaching business.
I always I love the people partof the corporate world.
(11:31):
I always kind of wanted to domy own thing and it's just
really.
It's so weird how not weird,but how that gets you more
excited than almost like yourown stuff that you got going on
for sure.
Um.
So it's just, it's really cooland that's why, like a lot of
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the stuff that you do, like whenI see your post, your posts are
so educational.
Every time I read your post, Ifeel like you get a little bit
smarter.
Thanks, but you're impacting,whether it's 10 people, 50
people, 100 people, whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I mean, you're having a daily impact on other people
and that's that's pretty awesomeno, I appreciate you saying
that and I love the the drivingthat point home about.
I felt like this the older Igot, the more you want to start
feel like you're making adifference.
And for a lot of my, for a lotof my work, I wasn't doing that
and and so as I got older, I waslike this doesn't feel right.
This is not aligned.
(12:28):
I'm just a cog in the machineand punching numbers in a
spreadsheet that doesn't.
I'm not really impactinganything.
It's funny you mentionedcustomer service.
So I started my career in sales.
I was there for several yearsand then I was looking to get
out and I'd never worked in anoffice.
I always had a territory, so Iwas just driving around, and so
I went to a temp agency andbasically told her I was like
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I'm just looking for an officejob, I want to try it.
Like I have no idea what I wantto do.
And so they sent me to amanufacturer and they just said
customer service.
I didn't really know what thatmeant, and then I learned
quickly that it was going to beanswering the phones.
So I was like all right, I'llgive it a shot.
I was so good at that job thatI started as a temp and the full
time employees not all of them,but some they would come up to
(13:11):
me and be like you have to stopworking so hard, like you're
making us all look bad, like noone does this much work.
But the funny part was I didn'tfeel like I was working that
hard so I never reallyunderstood that until many, many
years later.
I was working with a careercoach and they had me do this
like diagnostic and then it allcame together.
So that job was so perfectlyaligned to like my basically my
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work personality Cause it wasrepetitive.
It was, uh, I felt productiveand it was repeatable.
So, like I was just doing likethe same thing, right, I was
answering the call the same way.
You know, there was a variety,the calls could be a variety of
ways, but I kind of learned allof those.
I was an expert and then Icould just bang it out.
So, like some people were doing, like you know, 70, 75 calls a
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day, I was doing like 125, like140.
We used to do replacementorders for, like, defective
products.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
They were doing like five to seven, I was doing like
15 to 18 and they were likeyou're gonna get us all fired.
You gotta cut this out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I, I know,I definitely know the feeling,
but it's, it's.
It's so funny how it stillimpacts me 25 years later, like
when my phone rings, I'm like Idon't want to, I don't want to
touch it.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm the same way, especially now that texting is,
everybody can do it.
Um, I'm just like just text me.
Why would you call me?
And if anybody leaves avoicemail, I will never listen.
I would.
Somebody could leave me thewinning lottery numbers on my
voicemail.
I'd never get it because I'lllisten to it like nine months
later.
That kills me.
So what?
So, as you move through, uh,medical devices, was it?
(14:48):
Was there?
Did you stay like with thecompany, was a specific device,
was it, um, like ortho, or wasit like?
Did you kind of move aroundlike the different?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
obviously there's a lot of different devices yeah,
so I, I started in in uhhemodialysisysis and then
ultimately went into bloodtransfusion plasma and then,
most recently, my career hasbeen more in the clinical
genomics space.
So DNA sequencing.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
So it's been kind of a little gamut of all of it and
it's always interesting.
You know, there's this weirdtwist when you're in med device.
So, for example, previouscompany I was with, we ended up
being very successful, but wewere very successful because of
COVID.
So it's almost like you know.
(15:37):
So it's this weird kind of somebad stuff happened which makes
you successful, but at the sametime stuff happen which makes
you successful, but at the sametime during that bad stuff
you're helping the people thatit's affecting.
So that's always kind of a youknow that tears at your heart a
little bit, but it's yourbusiness and if you weren't
(15:57):
there, no one's helping thesepeople.
So that is the positive side.
It's just that's what'sinteresting about the medical
device or even the healthcarefield is you're making profit on
unfortunately not good things,and that's why I'm a really big
proponent of I would love for usto get to preemptive care,
(16:21):
eating better foods, takingbetter care of ourselves, so we
don't get to that other side.
Pharmaceuticals have to be ondifferent medical devices et
cetera.
But that's tough, but I do.
I guess the positive is, thoughI do feel kind of generations
after you know we're around thesame age generations after us
are looking at more healthyoptions, eating better, like.
(16:43):
I just saw a survey where or areport out where I'm not sure
what generation it is, but it's20-year-olds limiting alcohol.
They don't drink like othergenerations.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, that's a big push.
With the current group,mocktails are much more in vogue
.
I've heard of mocktailtailparties which obviously, when I
was 20 years old that was yousaid mocktail.
You probably get taught anobody know what you're talking
about and b get kicked out sothat was not, that was not a
thing.
Yeah, yeah, so no, I agree withthat.
(17:17):
That's a whole nother.
We could spend a whole topic awhole show on medical and pharma
and trying to keep peoplebasically addicted to pills and
drugs.
But that's too depressing.
We're not going to go there.
So at what point I know youmoved around a lot At what point
did they send you to Europe andhow long were you over there?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah.
So I was in Brussels for aboutfour years, four of the best
years of my life.
The team I had there, the peopleI met, shout out to Edwin
DeLepper, a buddy of mine, whoreally kind of took me under his
wing and took me all aroundEurope and really helped me
experience everything that wasgoing on over there.
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Because I remember when I wasmy first flight over to Brussels
I told myself, when I leavethis experience I want to make
sure I've seen every country Icould see, experienced
everything I could see.
So over four years I mean atthis point I've probably been to
80, 90% of the countries in theworld and it's just such a
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great experience and obviouslythe places are cool, but it's
just it's the people.
Like the people part is whatreally motivates you.
I mean I made so many goodfriends over there and I miss
them dearly to this day.
You know it's hard to get backand forth and and see everyone,
but, man, the stuff I learnedfrom my team in Europe I just I
(18:45):
hold close to my heart, I carryit with me to this day and, like
I said, I miss those guys.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
No, I love to hear that I've never been to Europe.
My wife studied abroad in Italyand then so she's seen a little
bit of it but hasn't been back,so that's kind of one of our
bucket list trips at some point.
What was the biggest?
You know, living in the statesfor so long and then spending
four years there, what was?
What do you think was thebiggest, either like difference
or what'd you notice about likeliving there, uh, compared to
(19:13):
living in the states definitely.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
You know, for americans we're very focused on
work first, life second,completely flipped on the other.
When you're in Europe, it'slife first.
Work is just to pay the bills,it's just to get food on the
table.
But the ability for theEuropeans, when they leave the
office, to be completelydisconnected from work, versus
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how we do in the US, where wemake our commute home and then
we get back on the computer andwe're right back at it, that was
the biggest part.
I finally, before I went toEurope, I'll be honest I was
like oh Europe, they have allthese holidays off, they're lazy
, et cetera, et cetera.
And then when you get there andyou see how they live, you
(20:01):
realize they're the ones doingit right not us we have it
backwards.
They're living their life,they're working to support their
life where in the us we live,to work.
And that doesn't mean, you know, some people will be like, well
, you know, you gotta, you gottaput a, put your head down, you
(20:21):
gotta focus and you gotta workhard.
Yeah, you can still do that,but life is more important.
Your family and your friends,that's what's more important.
Because if you got that stuffright, you know your life, your
family and friends.
The rest of it kind of worksitself out.
So that was the biggest thing Ilearned.
And just the way they socializeis different.
(20:42):
And man to see, if I could goback in time, how well they are
with languages.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Oh yeah, they all speak like three to five
typically two or three differentlanguages.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I remember I was in a TGI Fridays in Prague.
I was so excited because it waslike a little bit of home right
, here's your taste of home andI'm sitting at kind of a high
top and you could see the bar.
The bar was about like 15 feetaway and I'm watching this
bartender.
He was probably 22 years oldand you know, in Prague you're
(21:19):
going to get a lot of differentbusiness people, different
languages, and to watch him movebetween all the different
languages so easily, and I wasso impressed.
I remember calling him over andI'm like, hey, are you looking
for like some kind of career job?
Because I would have hired himon the spot.
Not only did he speak fivedifferent languages, he also
(21:40):
spoke sign language, which justblew me away.
He was 22 years old, working abar at TGI Fridays, and we
ultimately I got a call from himabout a year later and he's
like hey, you know I want totake you up on that offer.
Unfortunately I'd alreadygotten back to the US, but it
was so impressive to watch thisyoung guy go through the
(22:04):
different languages, as he'skind of working himself across
the bar.
So just stuff like that.
This is really reallyimpressive.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Now that is super impressive and I mean the main
reason is right.
They started learning it at avery young age whereas here we
don't.
And then they eventually forceyou to take some type of
language, typically in highschool.
Well, at that point it's mostlytoo late, and so we also don't
teach.
Because I took a lot of Spanishin high school and college, I
know some words but I neverlearned how to speak it, because
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they only teach you how towrite it.
They teach you vocab, theyteach you how to write a
sentence, but that does notteach you and equip you to have
like a conversation, and it'scompletely different.
Whereas when you're younger,your just ability to learn, you
can absorb so much more and Bthey teach them how to speak it,
and so once you're young andyou start speaking it, it just
becomes second nature.
And so, yeah, that it's notuncommon for them to know their
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native language, typicallyEnglish, and then like a
neighboring country or something, and so I think, yeah, like
three is like minimum, I think.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
It's hard.
I mean I took French classesfor a year when I was over in
Europe.
I'm not afraid to say I came inlike last in the class as far
as learning the languages, andsome of it's because I don't
even speak English very well.
So you know, I kind of chalk itup to that.
But I mean it's hard.
Especially young kids, I think,learn languages a lot quicker
(23:22):
than you can as an adult.
So that's a pretty humbling.
That's also a humblingexperience.
Right, you're in a class oflike five people and everyone's
picking it up.
And here I am, like I've gotthree words under my belt and,
to be honest with you, the threewords were like how to order a
drink at the bar, how to saythank you for that drink like
you know stuff that I reallycouldn't use in my professional
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life.
So that was, that was quite theexperience.
But even you know, when you'retrying to learn a different
language, it definitely picks upa different part of your brain,
for sure, um.
So you start looking at thingsdifferently, you perceive things
differently, even from, like a,an emotions standpoint.
It kind of triggers a differentyeah, a piece of your brain.
So all that's way over my head.
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But again, four years that someof the best years of my life
love it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Tell the uh, tell the van damme story real fast.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well, so you know, me and john clive were best
budsude were best buds.
He doesn't know it.
He doesn't know who I am.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
One-way friendship, but it's all right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And he must have been visiting.
I do think he's actually fromBelgium.
I think most people think he'sfrom France, but I think he's
actually from Belgium.
But I've been a part of thisgym for well over a year at this
point, maybe two years Neversaw him before.
Really beautiful gym, niceswimming pools, tennis courts,
the whole thing.
I remember I was on the cablepools, the back workout, and
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there was two side by side.
I just finished the set and Ilooked to my right and at first
it didn't register and then inmy head I'm like shit, that
looks fun.
I look back and John called medown Like a complete doofus.
Anytime I see somebody famous,I look at him when he finishes
his set and I'm like I don'teven know why I?
(25:13):
said it.
I'm like you're.
John called me down he kind oflooked at me and he's like, yes,
I am.
And then he got.
And what made it worse is hehad just finished his first set.
He actually got up and walkedoff.
I know he needed to do two orthree more sets.
So I'm just sitting there likewhy did I just confirm to him
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that he's Jean-Claude Van Damme?
And oh my god, I'm like why didI just confirm to him that he's
sure he was?
And oh my God, I'm like I hopehe never comes back.
Luckily, I never saw him thereagain, I think I think he was
visiting, but I know he wasn'tdone working out on those sets.
He's just, he's like I had toget away from this ball.
Yeah so, but I consider youknow, hey, we're best buds.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
And I was almost in one of his movies.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Hey, hey, we're the best buds and.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I was almost in one of his movies.
Hey, you know, sometimes wehave identity crisis and we need
strangers to bring us back andbe like yes, I am.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
He doesn't know what he's missing out on.
I could have been his next bestaction star.
He doesn't even know.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Bloodsport 2 with Ryan Snelling.
That is hilarious.
I love that story.
Bloodsport was one of myfavorite movies as a kid I used
to watch.
I'd go to my grandparents houseon an old vcr and my, my
grandfather had several moviestaped and it was like rambo,
blues brothers, top gun andblood sport and he would like
carefully write you know his oldschool right like the tape.
(26:30):
Uh, there's.
If young people are listeningto this, they're gonna think I'm
making this up, but you wouldput tape on the outside of the
recorder and then he would writethe.
It'd be like zero to like 25,99 like blues brothers.
And then you know yeah 2600 to5000 top gun right anyway.
So blood sport was one of thosemovies and so I'd come home
after school like 13 or 14, andI'd pop one of those tapes in
and it was like one of thosefour movies like on rotation for
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like two years he's a tiny guy.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Is he really he's tiny?
Oh wow, sorry, sean, glad incase you, in case you watch this
, but he's a tiny guy, is hereally he's tiny?
Oh wow, sorry, sean, in caseyou watch this, but he's a
little guy.
I mean, you watch those moviesyou're like, oh, he's this big,
he's a little guy.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think a lot of actors are smaller because
obviously Tom Cruise is smalland Stallone is small, at least
from a height standpoint.
But yeah, obviously the screenmakes him look a lot bigger.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
But yeah, that's really funny.
Uh, I love that story.
I I disgusted him, he walkedoff in a huff and puff.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
It's been great if he'd have been like I've who,
who, who is that?
I have no?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
idea, no idea what you're talking about yeah, never
heard of that guy.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
What so, when you came back then, was that you
were still the same company.
Say you're over there and youwere still in the same company
when you came back.
Is that when?
You is that when you went toaustin, or how did you end up?
How'd you end up?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
in austin.
I actually, when I came back, Itook on a global vp role of
customer support serviceoperations.
So I did that for a few yearsand then ultimately to be honest
with you kind of got tired ofwinters in Chicago.
I'm from Baton Rouge.
I grew up in Florida.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
So by this time I'd been in Chicago minus the
European years for about 12years and I really just wanted
to get back down south.
Opportunity came up with acompany that was looking to
eventually get purchased, sothere was some really good
equity opportunities.
And my fiance's got family inDallas, so Austin's not too far
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away, so it just made sense whenthe opportunity came out, I
just I really wanted to get backinto warmer weather.
Love Chicago.
A great city, beautiful duringthe summer, but cold, a lot of
snow, it gets dark, a lot oftraffic.
It gets dark real early.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, I lived there for two years and my wife grew
up there, so I'm very familiarwith it and I love visiting, but
it wasn't my favorite place tolive.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, yeah, oh.
It's a great town.
It's a great sports town.
If you're into sports, it's awonderful sports town.
Like if you're in the sports,it's a wonderful sports town.
And then, like I said, duringthe summer it's gorgeous.
During the summer I remember weused to play, uh, beach
volleyball, like right out there, like montrose harbor, it was
this.
It was so surreal.
You're playing beach volleyballand you see all the skyscrapers
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and stuff yeah just, yeah, justa really beautiful place love
it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I've never been.
I've only been to Dallas once.
I actually told this storyrecently.
I won't retell it here becauseit's too long, but I was in
Dallas once I was connectingfrom Anaheim.
I was living in Columbus, Ohioat the time, so I spent about
two hours in Dallas Airport.
It was my only visit to Texasbut I do want to get down there
because I have a lot ofconnections in the kind of
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Dallas Austin general area so atsome point I will make my way
down.
Yeah, so talk a little bitabout the coaching because
obviously you and I both arerelatively new and recent to the
coaching business.
But I know you said you'd beenthinking about another way to
help people and obviously usingall of your experience and like
a mentor type role and likehelping others.
(29:59):
But yeah, talk a little bitabout kind of what your coaching
like is and like who you workwith sure.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Sure you know, when I was in corporate I always felt
like I was kind of coaching I Inever felt like a boss or
manager.
I always felt like I wascoaching.
And I don't know if that's fromgrowing up in sports or however
that translated, but I knew atsome point I wanted that to be
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my main focus.
I was very fortunate over thelast 25 years to have a couple
of very good mentors, peoplethat really took a focus in me
and helping me build my career,and I always just kind of wanted
to return the favor to otherpeople that were out there, a
little bit like we talked aboutearlier.
(30:47):
Like when you see, you knowsomeone get a promotion or
someone get a new job or make acomplete career change and do
something successful careerchange and do something
successful the feeling you getfrom that it's almost
indescribable because it's moreexciting than when you have your
own success.
So to be able to do that nowwith my clients and help them
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advance their careers I've beenfortunate, I've been blessed to
see most of the world.
I've seen a lot of good stuff.
I've seen a lot of bad stuff.
I've had great managers.
I've had terrible managers.
I've screwed up stuff myselfthat I've had to learn from.
So to be able to kind of tellthose stories to clients and
guide them through thingsbecause I do feel like at this
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point that there's not much Ihaven't seen good or bad.
So to be able to walk peoplethrough that.
So, like part of my programpeople, they have access to me
for eight weeks, 24-7.
And the reason I do that?
Because a lot of people arelike, oh, you shouldn't do that,
it's going to kill your time,but you can't plan life, and so
(31:54):
when things are happening inpeople's career or work, I want
them to be able to like, shootme a text and say, hey, just had
this meeting.
It didn't go well.
Can we chat for 30 minutes, youknow, so I can kind of walk
them through that, as opposed towaiting for our standard
one-on-one that we have eachweek.
Or hey, you know, I've got thisbig presentation coming up.
Can we talk and you kind ofguide me through it?
(32:15):
It's just, it's hard to describe, it's almost like it's.
It's almost like your kids,right, and you're trying to like
help them develop and you wantto see them succeed.
So it's been great.
I've been doing it for the lastcouple months.
I love it.
I do miss being part of teams.
You know, in a businessenvironment there's definitely
something to be said about theloneliness of, you know, being a
(32:37):
solopreneur, kind of going outon your own.
So you know you take the goodand your bad.
I'll probably end up back incorporate at some point, but
I'll still be doing this on theside and eventually, when I grow
up and figure out you know,really what I want to do.
It's probably what I'll end updoing, so it's been great.
(32:58):
What I want to do, it'sprobably what I'll end up doing,
so it's been great.
You start it because you wantto make the money, but then you
realize, man, there's so muchmore.
I just got a text this morningfrom one of my clients who just
went through five rounds ofinterviews.
She just got the call that shegot the job, so you could read
the excitement through the text.
I mean, it made my day right,like rest of my day is going to
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be good.
Just knowing that, you know,knowing I assisted in that that
journey no, I love that.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
There's so much energy.
It's so energizing when thathappens I think the biggest
lesson for me I learned itpretty early on is that you know
money does not buy happinessand you know, at a certain point
, like I don't know what thenumber is, but like once your
basic needs are met and then alittle bit beyond that, then
anything above that does not addanything.
Right, and so I think we werekind of programmed like you said
(33:49):
we're similar in age Like wewere programmed to like get the
degree, get a job, work your wayup the ladder, more promotions,
titles, money, like all thatkind of stuff.
And then you get to a certainpoint and you're like okay, this
is not great, this is not.
This wasn't how I was, thiswasn't.
I was sold something different.
Because, again, if you don't,if you're not doing work that
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like fulfills you and, like yousaid, you're not having an
impact and all that kind ofstuff, then they really the
money at some point, doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
add Remember when we were younger and you wanted the
coolest car possible?
Yeah, you didn't have the moneyto get it.
Then it's funny once you havethe money to buy whatever car
you want.
I don't even want a car.
I drive a 2020 Chevy truck.
(34:41):
That's what I got.
I don't want anything fancy andI'd be fine not even having
that.
But first 20 years of my lifeI'm like oh, I got to make money
.
It's just that cool car.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, I was always looking at Trans Ams and I
remember the Irox.
I love the Irox at, yeah, transams and I remember the irox.
I love the irox and my uncle uhhad a 325 beamer, which he took
care of in a way that I didn'teven know you could take care of
cars.
And then he he eventuallyupgraded it to a 5 series and he
actually got it.
They flew to germany like hegot it directly from like base
(35:16):
operations and then, right rightafter he got it, we were
driving home from a restaurant.
It was him, I was in the frontseat, uh, my aunt and their
third child and he got it up to125 on the highway and I thought
it was like awesome, like I waslike you know, early 20s, this
is the coolest thing.
My aunt was so pissed at him andshe was like that's so reckless
(35:39):
, like we could have crashed.
I was like, nah, he did, he had, he had it.
This was good.
It was not we were.
We were silent the whole time.
Um, but yeah and then.
Yeah, like you said, like Idrive a 2016 crv, I think I'm
like the youngest person whodrives that car by like 20, like
20 years car by like 20, like20 years.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, yeah, so it's true.
I mean, I remember being, uh,you know, I spent a lot of time
in germany and uh, I rememberthe first time going on the, the
autobahn, and I made themistake of doing a conference
call while I was driving on theautobahn and in a way it was
cool because I'm like, oh this,I'm probably doing a conference
call at the fastest speedeveryone's ever done, but man,
when you see those cars comeflying through at 100 something
(36:25):
miles an hour, I gotta get yourcar shakes and at the time I was
driving an audi, it was like anaudi a4, which I don't fit in
like.
I probably looked like I wasdriving a golf cart well, not
out there on the autobahn doinga conference call.
These cars are flying through.
I was like I guess this is cool, but these guys that are flying
(36:45):
by me I'm just like this guy'sgot to get out of the way, yeah.
But like I said, even now, if Ididn't have a car I'd be
perfectly happy.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
No, I hear you, my kids are the same way they're.
No, I hear you, my kids are thesame way.
They they're obsessed with avery advanced you know maybox
and bentonies and maserati.
We see some maseratis aroundhere from time to time and
they're, just like you know,obsessed with it and million
dollar houses when they getolder and like all this super
flashy stuff and I'm like I mean, if it ends up working out,
great, but chances are you'renot going to want hardly any of
(37:15):
that stuff, yeah, down the road,but yeah, it is, yeah, I mean
the.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
The bigger your house is, the more yard work you got,
the more you know.
We were talking a little bitbefore we started.
Appliances start breaking, likeall of a sudden you're
repairing everything.
It's like less as you get oldermaybe this is why they say you
get wiser when you get older.
Less really is more like I gotmy friends, I got I got my, got
(37:39):
my family.
That's all I need.
The rest is just kind of it'sjust extra.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Well, it's like the old quote right Youth is wasted
on the young.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I did plenty of wasting and dumb stuff when I
was young, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So talk about the aspiring golfers.
So I've played a lot of golf.
I don't play much anymore, butat one time I played quite
frequently.
If you're still thinking aboutit, I would not recommend it
because it'll drive you crazy.
I think it's the hardest sportto learn of any of the sports.
It's super difficult.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
It is Well, let's get one thing straight I'm a
terrible golfer.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Most people are yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Some of my buddies are actually really good golfers
and it pisses me off, quitefrankly.
I grew up being able to pick upany sport except for golf.
I'm actually amazed at how badI can be sometimes, the amount
of destruction I cause on a golfcourse, you know, when there's
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buildings around or homes aroundor stuff like that.
But the problem with golf andthis is, I think, what drives
people nuts is you have that onelittle moment of brilliance
that brings you back every time.
You know you hit that one goodshot or you have that one birdie
and you're like, okay, I can doit.
Here we are 25 years later.
I still haven't figured it out.
(39:07):
I still can't do it.
I still do the same stuff I did, you know, two decades ago.
But it gets you outside.
You know, you know two decadesago, but get you outside.
You know you're with friends,depending on where you're at,
you get good weather.
So I love it.
I mean it's a, it's a passionof mine.
It kind of helps me separatefrom the work stuff, business
stuff, et cetera.
And uh, it's just so funnybecause it can piss you off when
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you can love it at the sametime.
But I mean that's life right.
Life pisses you off and youlove it at the same time.
It kind of works.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, it's a very hard sport.
I started playing when I was 13.
And I knew through family alocal pro who helped me out, and
so I started out with lessonsand clubs and so I was never
that good.
I didn't have a lot of naturalgolf talent.
I was a athlete.
So I was good at most of thetraditional sports.
Golf was a little bit differentbecause I couldn't overpower it
right, I couldn't.
(39:58):
I couldn't out athlete golfbecause there's so much
technique and, uh, it's verytechnical.
It's a lot like swimming, um,so technique is so important, uh
.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
But I got to the point where I could play, yeah,
for a while but, the ball isjust sitting there, right like
you play baseball, the ball ismoving rapidly and I can hit
that, but you put that littleball on the ground and it's like
I just it's like I lose allathletic ability once I step on
(40:27):
a golf course yeah, it's well,it's so mental.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I mean, golf is so mental.
Um, you know it's I wasthinking about this a couple
months ago the analogy of, like,when you go to the driving
range, right, it's so mucheasier.
So, whether it's before yourround or if you're just going to
practice, right, and the reasonis that you're completely
relaxed because there's nodownside to a bad shot, right,
so like you can hit it straight,right or top it or chunk it or
(40:53):
whatever, but it doesn't matter,because you're like I'm just
going to hit another ball, butyour body relaxes.
But then when you get to thecourse, then you've got trees,
you've got sand, you've gotwater, fairways are narrow, so
now there's repercussions, butyou have a hard time mentally
relaxing.
You tend to tense up.
So it's interesting, and youcould apply that to speaking or
(41:19):
like whatever you're doing.
But you have to figure out away to kind of tap into, like
the driving range mentality ofjust like relaxing and letting
go of the outcome and you justlike do the best you can and
whatever happens happens.
But when you get to the courseright, and I struggled with that
for a long time it's like I washitting it so good on the range
like 20 minutes ago, and nowlike where did all, where did
that go?
And it's like, well, it's, it'shere and it's just.
You know, your body is now in adifferent state well and you're
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spot on that.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
It's mental right.
And we're talking about, likeposting on linkedin earlier,
like how many times do you readit?
You write a post, so you'relike man, I love this, but as
soon as you want to hit thatbutton to make it public, all
all this crap starts to happenin your head.
Or you know, before you do apresentation, you know you're a
hundred percent prepared.
Soon, as you walk on that stage, here comes all that crap and I
(42:05):
that's why I admire people thatwork through that, that push
themselves through that, thatkind of work through it, because
we all have that crap.
There's all this stuff going on.
The difference is who lets thattake them over and who who
pushes right through that.
And that's probably why I likethe coaching too, because I love
(42:27):
to see where they start onceyou get to the end and I
remember even you know, when Iwas getting coached.
So you know, shout out to Allie, I had all this crap in my head
of why I shouldn't do it.
And then, as you kind of workthrough the process and you know
, even like when you and I didsome stuff together you work
(42:48):
through the stuff and then yourealize like I completely
manifested all that stuff.
There was no reason to worryabout it and there's always
going to be there's always goingto be people that that have a
negative aspect on.
On what you like.
I mentioned earlier I had agood buddy who said you know you
shouldn't post personal stuffonline.
It's like, well, why, it's whoI am, like I've got, I've got
(43:10):
things I want to say.
So it's yeah, the mental,mental part in sports, business,
whatever relationships.
It's such a big, a big piecethat unfortunately, we kind of
manifest you know somethingthat's really not there,
nothing's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
What's the?
Speaker 2 (43:30):
worst going to happen if you put yourself out there.
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, no, that's a great point.
And you know, when I startedthis again almost 20 months ago,
like we said earlier, with noreal experience, like same, like
I I was like, oh, I don't, youknow, it's not something I've
ever done.
And now it's literally changedthe rest of my life, like the
just a, the work I'm doing, thepeople that I've met.
You know, I've traveled out ofthe country to meet people, like
, all these things have happenedsimply because I took a chance
(43:55):
and started telling storiesonline, which sounds crazy, but
you never know until you, untilyou give it a shot, right, and
if it doesn't and that's whatultimately, my coach at the time
told me he was like, if you doit and it goes nowhere, you
aren't any worse off than if youhadn't.
Like you'll just be right backwhere you started, but at least
you'll know that you've tried,whereas if you don't try, you're
still where you are, but thenyou're always wondering, well,
(44:17):
like what would have happened?
Right, so you might as wellgive it a spin and and see.
So, yeah, it's great, greatinsight for like just to take it
, like take a chance.
If there's something you wantto do, like, take a chance, it's
(44:37):
almost therapeutic.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I mean I know we talked about a few weeks ago.
You know I posted that about myincident in the Swiss Alps.
All my friends and stuff theyalways want me to tell that
story over and over.
But it's difficult for me totell because I experienced it
and it wasn't a great situationand my brain's actually blocked
out a lot of it.
But I will say, when I actuallyposted it, when I got it down
on paper, like physically, gotit out there, it was almost
(45:03):
therapeutic For sure, because italmost took all that built up
emotion and negativity from it.
And it's like I just put it outthere and the amount of
messages that I got from peopleafter telling that story, like
people were like hey, can youtell me more details?
Can they?
Like you know they wanted tokind of go through it.
(45:23):
It ended up being therapeuticbecause I kind of shut down, I
mean it, it when it happened.
It's one of those things, likeyou, I would never take it away.
I learned so much from it.
Right, you get this likenear-death experience and you
kind of you learn a lot from it.
You learn your limitations.
Obviously I can't snowboard,but yeah, just getting it
(45:47):
physically out there, online orwriting it down on paper.
It was.
It was very therapeutic Creditto my fiance because I talked
about writing that story foreverand she pushed it and pushed it
.
She's like it's a great storyand I'm like, yeah, for you it's
a great story.
For me it wasn't exactly agreat story at the time.
(46:10):
Now, looking back, yeah, right,things happen at the time.
Now, looking back, yeah, yeah,right, it's it's things happen.
But man, I tell, I tell myclients all the time, write
stuff down right now, get it outthere yeah, there's.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
There's something about that process and I even
think what you're talking aboutlike actually writing it.
It's even better than typing it.
Typing is better than doingnothing at all.
But there is something aboutthe, the brain, the process of
the brain, to, you know, gettingit out on paper, you process it
differently, you think about itdifferently.
Like you said, it allows it'skind of a, it's an exodus, you
(46:45):
know, out of the body, you know,as you're still with you, but
it's just different.
So a hundred percent agree onreally anything.
And I'm not a journaler.
I've tried to journal a billiontimes.
I can't stick with it, but theprinciple of just writing just
has incredible, incrediblebenefits.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, and to be honest with you, and I don't
know if it's right or wrong andI'm probably kind of going
against what most people do,like most of my posts, I
literally I get up in themorning and what you see is what
I just wrote out.
It's not, it's typically, it'snot pre-planned, I don't have a
thought behind it.
A lot of what I write gets away, gets away from my, my niche,
(47:21):
my niche.
But I'm just kind of saying myperspective and, you know,
resonates for some people, otherpeople it doesn't, and that's
okay.
You know some people talk aboutyou.
Eventually get your own tribeand it's that.
We've all built a community outthere.
I just love it.
I love to see what people putout there.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
I agree, I have ideas .
I can batch ideas, but I can'tbatch content.
So I typically write the daybefore, sometimes the night
before.
I don't usually write the dayof, but I write a lot based on
feel.
So I'll have an idea and ifthat feels right then I'll go
with it.
But if it doesn't, then I'll gothrough my, like other ideas
and find one that resonates, andthen eventually I will and then
(48:04):
I'll write about that.
So I think there's a big.
I think that really helps whenyou're writing, uh, to have some
emotion and some feel behind.
I think it.
Just it helps, right, you'renot forcing it or you're not
like all right, I'm going towrite this today Because I've
written posts like that whereit's just on my calendar but I
don't really want to write itand I never like enjoy that
nearly as much.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah Well, I like like with you.
You're very good at focusedcontent.
My content is not focused, it'skind of all over the place and
really my content probably isn'tfor LinkedIn, it's probably
some other social media platform.
But again, I'm not all those,and that's what I really admire
(48:45):
about what you do, because Iknow when I go to see your posts
, I know what I'm going to get,I know it's going to teach me
something, and that's what Ireally love.
I love when people can theyknow what their audience is,
they know what their idealclient is and they focus on that
.
And ultimately, because you dothat, that's why you're
(49:06):
successful.
I'm still trying to figure outhow to define success.
Is it clients?
Is it saying what?
Getting what I want to say outthere?
You know a lot of people talkabout online too.
I'm traditionally introverted,I'm not a big talker or whatnot.
So this kind of gives me aoutlet and I'm okay with that
(49:31):
being my success.
If it leads to more money,great.
But I've met a lot of greatpeople through this.
You know, through thistransition, I've got to have a
lot of great conversations, likewith you and with other people,
and to me that feels likesuccess.
The rest doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, I mean, there's obviously different, different
definitions of success foreveryone.
I appreciate what you saidabout you know, my content
content.
I will say, though, that tookme a long time to get to that
point.
You know, when I first startedwriting, it was all over the
place.
I talked a lot about, you know,motivational stuff, quotes,
stories from my sports andracing background books I'd read
(50:09):
, you know it was.
It was because I didn't.
I really didn't know what I wasdoing, and so I was just kind
of taking my experience.
Now, over time, it eventuallygot a little more, a little
narrower, and now it's somewhatdefined, but that is difficult.
I found that very difficult todo at first and I think a lot of
people struggled so, but Ithink that's fine.
I think that's part of theprocess, and so if you are new
(50:30):
to creating, like, write aboutdifferent stuff like it doesn't
have to be about to your idealclient or it doesn't have to be
about your business, like youknow that's, I think that's
totally fine I got a message.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Uh, it was last week late last week, thursday or
friday.
It blew my mind because someonesaid hey, I would like to hear
more about what you do.
I really like you know, seeingyou as a content creator nice
and I was like you just calledme a content creator.
What does that even mean?
Speaker 1 (50:59):
welcome to the club.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Yeah, it's like, did he just say content creator?
It blew my mind.
I remember he even got up andran in the other room and I'm
like hey, hey, cat, some guyjust called me a content creator
, so he kind of looked at melike no, but you're no, you were
like and I'm gonna start myyoutube channel and my instagram
reels and all I'm gonna it's anempire.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
It's gonna be a content creation empire coming
I'm the next joe rogan here.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
We go there, you go there you go, mr mr b snelling's
yeah, so it blew.
It blew my mind and I respondedback and actually they ended up
being a client.
Nice.
It was just funny though, theterminology, the wording,
because even now I don't evenconsider that.
I literally am just kind ofspeaking what's on my mind and
(51:47):
you know, unfortunately itdoesn't always have to do with
my niche and I'm okay with thatnow, at first I wasn't.
I was like man, I got to getfocused.
I got to do with my niche andI'm okay with that now, at first
I wasn't.
I was like man, I gotta getfocused, I gotta do this.
But I'm like, I'm just gonna beme and some people are gonna
like it and some aren't and youknow, eventually, like I said, I
hope to get back in thecorporate.
There's gonna be some corporatepeople that go and look at my
(52:09):
post and be like I don't knowabout this guy, and then there's
gonna be the ones that do likeit, and that's who I want to be
around.
Those are my people.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
No, totally get it.
Well, this has been a greathour of conversation that's
flown by.
I really appreciate you comingon, sharing your insight and
part of your backstory, anyparting thoughts, any final
words you can leave the audiencewith, and then people that are
interested in learning more.
What's the best way to reachout and how to find you?
Speaker 2 (52:36):
best way to find me is on linkedin.
I'm working on the instagrampiece, still learning that,
still building out a website,trying to uh get that kind of
finished and that way everythingjust kind of connects together.
But yeah, going going to myprofile on linkedin, even if you
just got a random questionabout something.
I love helping people,especially if they're trying to
(52:58):
build their career, especiallyyoung people trying to get
started in their career.
It's tough out there, it's atough market.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
On top of that.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
I'd just say David, love what you're doing, love
your content, appreciate youletting me on here, love your
content, uh, appreciate youletting me on here and uh, keep
educating people because it itit really makes a bigger impact
than you you probably realize.
So I appreciate you and I Iappreciate other content
creators that are doing theirthing and uh, it takes takes a
(53:30):
lot of balls.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
It's not easy no, I appreciate that.
No, thank you, I appreciatethat a lot of balls.
It's not easy.
No.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
No, thank you.
I appreciate that a lot.
I appreciate you coming on andwe'll do it again sometime.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Thanks, ryan.
All right, david, thank you.
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