EP 38: Finding Your Path After a Life-Altering Event: How Jennifer Chapman Transformed Crisis into Coaching

🎙️ Podcast Episode Highlights with Jennifer Chapman

• Turning Crisis into Purpose: After a life-threatening stroke at 34, Jennifer transformed her recovery into a calling, leaving corporate sales to become a resilience and mindset coach.

• The Power of Small Commitments: Inspired by her Pilates journey, “Just Commit” became both her brand and philosophy—helping clients focus on one small, intentional step at a time.

• Victim vs. Warrior Mentality: Jennifer challenges clients to shift from blame to ownership, transforming obstacles into growth by choosing how they respond.

• Healing Through Coaching: Her own experience as a coaching client during recovery sparked a new career path, proving that profound healing often leads to powerful impact.

Jennifer's LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenniferchapmanleadershipcoach/

Jennifer's Website: https://justcommitcoaching.com/

David's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-young-mba-indy/

David's Website: https://davidjyoung.me/

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Real you Podcast.
This is episode number 38.
I'm David Young, your host.
I'm a LinkedIn content andbusiness coach and I work with
coaches with less than 3,000followers to sign more clients
on LinkedIn, using content morestrategically.
I launched this podcast almosta year ago, in March of 2024, to
spotlight interesting peopledoing amazing things, and today
I'm joined by Jennifer Chapman.
She has a 16-year background insales and brings a unique blend

(00:22):
of strategic insight,resilience and empathy to her
work as an executive coach,speaker and facilitator.
We'll talk about how she helpshigh-achieving professionals
unlock their potential bygetting them through
self-awareness, resiliencebuilding and purpose-driven
action.
She also is local to where I am.
We're both in Indianapolis andwe don't live too far apart, so
this will be a new one.
I don't think I've had anybodylocal on the show.
So, jennifer, thanks for takingtime out of your schedule and

(00:44):
joining me today.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah, thanks so much for having me, looking forward
to the conversation.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Yeah, we're both in Indy.
I've been here, I think 17years.
You've been here quite a whiletoo.
And yeah, I don't connect withtoo many local people on
LinkedIn, so it's always nicewhen I see Indianapolis or
greater Indianapolis thansomebody's location, if it's
accurate, because that's new.
I don't know about you, but Idon't see a lot of Indy people.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Because I'm born and raised, I feel like I'm pretty
well connected in Indianapolis,and though it was cool when you
and I did connect on LinkedIn afew months ago, I don't think I
knew right away that you wereliving in Indy and then when we
had a conversation, it was coolto be able to meet you in person
, versus just another Zoom.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah it was great.
Yeah, we met up at one of thelocal coffee shops a few weeks
ago.
So, yeah, it's nice.
It's a lonely journey, thissolopreneur journey which we
talked about when we met andit's always nice when you meet
people that are kind of on asimilar path, because obviously
we do a lot of work alone and Ithink most of us work kind of

(01:48):
out of our houses or homes orwhatever.
If you don't have someone tokind of talk through things,
then it becomes you kind of livein this, your own echo chamber,
which is not always a greatplace to be.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
No, it's not.
I can attest to that.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, I wrote my post today about just sometimes when
things start to feel likethey're going sideways and you
just start questioning likeeverything you're doing and
you're like I should changeeverything.
I need a new website, I need anew coach, I need new colors, I
have to change all my posting,everything's wrong.
And usually that's not the case.
So you can get to a point inyour head where you're like I'm

(02:21):
just screwing this up everywhich way, so I have to make
massive change.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Totally been there multiple times actually.
It's real, it's so real.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, yeah.
So talk about a little bit.
Obviously you're doing coachingand resilience coaching and
mental coaching now, but beforeyou got into that a few years
ago, just kind of talk aboutyour background.
What did you do?
What do you want to be when yougrew up?
That kind of stuff, yeahbackground.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
What did you do?
What did you want to be whenyou grew up?
That kind of stuff.
Yeah, man, where to begin?
I went into the world of salesafter I graduated from Ball
State and spent the first 10years in the beer, wine and
spirits industry, which was areally great industry to be in
in your 20s.
I got to do a lot of really coolthings and cool places and
experiences that a lot of peopleprobably wouldn't get to do on
the level that we all got to doit, and so that was a really

(03:04):
great introduction into sales.
And then I was recruited onLinkedIn in 2015 to go to more
of a corporate level company anda whole new world of sales.
Honestly, I tell people thenlike that was what that was.
My first leap of faith wasleaving this comfort zone of an
industry that I knew so well tonot only a new industry, just a
new level of sales, going doorto door and cold calling when

(03:27):
you didn't really have to dothat, selling booze.
But I trusted the leadershipteam that I had met and had
interviewed with and it wasquite the process and I just
felt really good about it.
They had a great culture andgreat people and I said yes, and
very thankful that I did so.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Nice what I.
So my vision when you talkabout selling booze is just
going, just going around anddrinking all the time.
I assume that wasn't the case,but that's what I envision.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
There was a, there were, you know, depending on on
the situation.
Um, there's, you know, enoughconsumed throughout that 10
years.
I'll tell you that Because Isold a lot four years on premise
, meaning bars and restaurants,so it was certainly a lot of.
It's not like you're doing thata lot in liquor stores or
grocery stores, but when you'reon premise you're doing a lot of
promotions and taste testing tosee if they want to bring in

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different products and thingslike that.
So, yeah, that was part of it.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
I remember watching I think it was a Costco special.
It was like the woman who waslike the main Costco wine buyer,
which was fascinating.
But they spit everything out.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
I had no idea.
You're like oh, you're supposedto do that.
I was like oh, that's weird.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
You just like taste it, but then you just spit it
out.
I never would have thought ofthat.
I remember watching thedocumentary on A&E, and then
they're all just spitting it outand I was like, I mean, I get
it, but it kind of sucks too.
You get a taste and you're like, oh, I got to get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I mean that's what you're really supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I can certainly tell you though in a lot of the bars
that I sold into.
That's funny.
It was fun though.
So, and I know we talked whenwe met in person.
We were talking about selling,because selling for a company,
which I, you and I have bothdone in different capacities um,
how different it is when youstart trying to sell yourself

(05:18):
and like your services, yourcoaching or whatever it is your,
whatever product or service youhave, that's yours, that you
created, that is your business,the psychology that goes into
being rejected when it's yoursversus just like your product.
So, yeah, talk a little bitabout kind of how you've
adjusted to that.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, I think I know going through my coaching
certification, so I went throughone in 2021 and she did a
really great job of reminding usall.
It's not personal.
You're still just offering yourprogram or your offer or your
masterclass or, you know, aworkshop.

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It has nothing to do with youinherently as a person.
You're not tied to that andthat's consistent work that you
have to practice on every timeyou do meet with a potential
client, whether it's with a teamor an individual, and they

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don't feel like, for whateverreason, that they say no versus
yes.
I've gotten a lot better at nottaking it personal, like okay,
I'm not for them or timingwasn't right, versus being
affected by it and letting ittake me out because it can do
that too.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, it's usually almost never about you.
It's always whatever they'vegot going on.
It could be financial, it couldbe timing, it could be life
circumstance.
I mean there's tons of factorsit's rare, yeah, yeah right.
I mean, yeah, maybe you they'renot sure you can help or or
whatever, um, but usually it'srarely just like I don't like
you or I don't think you canhelp me, or whatever the the

(06:58):
thing is.
So, but it is hard to rememberbecause when you're selling for
a company like you, just don'tcare, you're just like I have
this, I have the software, Ihave this liquor, I have
whatever.
Right, I had pharmaceuticals, Ihad security systems, it
doesn't matter, it wasn't mine,like I didn't, I didn't create
it.
Um, so if you, if you told meno, like you were, telling my
company no, like I was, I didn'tcare.

(07:19):
I mean I cared because I wantedto make money, but like I didn't
really care.
But then when it's yourcoaching service and you say no,
you're like oh, but why Like?

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I'm so good I can help you.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
You need so much help and I can help you and I know I
can help you and you know I canhelp you, but we're still not
doing business Like I don'tunderstand.
So, yeah, it's definitely youhave to kind of prepare yourself
.
Anybody listening to this andthinking about going this route
like you do, there's a verythere's an emotional shift that
is needed to where that startsto not you start to not think
about that as much.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, and I would add to that a book that I read,
also probably around 2021 or 22,was the four agreements.
And one of the agreements istake nothing personal, and it
was.
It's such a great read, it's aneasy read and there are four
foundational agreements and it'slike if you can just keep those
four top of mind, it reallyhelps you stay grounded in who

(08:11):
you are.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
That's a good one.
I've read part of it.
I haven't read the whole thing.
I'm not a great book finisher.
I love to start books.
I'm terrible at finishing them.
My ratio to finish is like 10%.
I just I started readingsomething out of it and I'm like
I'm gonna read something elseand almost never come back to it
.
So that's one of many that fellinto that camp.
What so?

(08:34):
At what point did you excuse me?
At what point did you startthinking about like moving away
from corporate and starting yourown business and start trying
to coach and help others?

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, Not to go too deep into it while I was in
corporate sales, At some pointmy body told me that I had to
slow all the way down and Isuffered a major stroke in 2017.
And so it'll be eight yearsnext month and I'm certainly on
a continued journey of healingin my own way, and the piece of

(09:05):
that that helped me the mostthose first couple of years
afterwards, as I went back intocorporate sales about five
months later after some of thephysical rehab, was thinking
that I was healed and wellenough to go back and work at a
high level like that and I.
That was, mentally andemotionally the hardest part.
So I, long story short, workedwith a life coach in 2018 for

(09:25):
about eight months and I trulydidn't know what a life coach
even was.
It was just recommended by afriend and I think the
difference and I'll say this nowthe difference between you know
people probably we all needsupport and help in some way,
shape or form.
It's the want.
How bad do you want it?
And I knew I wanted somethingdifferent, that what I was doing

(09:46):
was not sustainable, which wasfeeling very emotionally
unstable and trying to work at ahigh level.
So what a gift.
That coach was in my life andshe still is, and I didn't know
after working with her that Iwould go into coaching right
then.
I certainly left corporateright then, knowing I was no
longer fulfilled.
Certainly left corporate rightthen, knowing I was no longer
fulfilled, Went into home healthin 2019.

(10:07):
And so the pandemic in 2020,that was a gift for me.
Being able to look back now,when we were, you know, had to
slow all the way down again, Waslike can I do for other people
what my coach did for me, andwhat does that look like?
So that's where I reallystarted to explore becoming a
coach and serving others.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Nice, I love that you had a coach that then kind of
opened your eyes to doing thatand then you kind of have taken
it and are doing it for others.
I love that.
So, as the pandemic hit and,like you said, everything slowed
down and we're spending a lotmore time at home.
Is that when you startedthinking about like
certifications and likeseriously like what it would
look like to actually do it?

Speaker 2 (10:43):
100%, yeah, and that's where I found this coach
online and she offered like afree five-day masterclass, if
you will, and so I went throughthat.
There was something about herthat gravitated me towards her
work and it was certainly.
They were things I just hadnever heard before.

(11:03):
Her background is somaticpsychotherapy and spiritual
psychology, so I was alreadyfascinated and intrigued, and
yet I was still saying yes toknowing I wanted to be a
credible coach and what are thetools I'm supposed to have to
serve clients?
And little did I know goingthrough that 11 month experience
in 21,.
It was really the most healingand transformational work I've

(11:24):
ever done in my life.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
That's amazing.
And you said you're still intouch today.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I mean, she's so great so she's in Santa Monica
and it was the first year of theofficial certification program.
She had done a beta run in 2020.
So in 21, there was 200 of usall over the world going through
this class.
Oh, wow, and she's done it everyyear.
Since she's certainly, herbusiness has skyrocketed.
She's got a great podcast outthere.
You can follow her on Instagram.

(11:49):
Her name's Alyssa Nobrega.
I can reach out to her onInstagram and she would message
me back.
She's certainly helping peoplechange their lives.
Nice, it's powerful.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
I think post-CO COVID , I think there was a lot more
acceptance for that.
I think a lot more peopleleaned into it talking about
therapy or life coaching,whereas I think before it was
not necessarily shunned, but Idon't think people were quite as
forthcoming that like hey, I'mseeing a therapist or hey, I'm
working with a life coach,whereas now, five years after, I
think a lot more people arelike that's totally cool, it's

(12:27):
totally fine, agreed, and Iwould.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I would ask you.
I feel like the term that I'vecome to use quite often these
last couple of years as wecontinuously learn post-pandemic
life is that people and womencome to me because I.
People are having midlifeawakenings, right when the world

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slowed all the way down ofthese last handful of years.
People are leaning in andexploring like is this what I'm
supposed to continue to do untilI retire?
Is this it?
I might be good at it, I mightmake great money doing it, but
I'm not fulfilled.
Am I supposed to make a change?
Can I make a change?
What does that look like?
That's when the fear shows up,and yet that's why people at

(13:12):
least reach out to me and havecalls.
Those are the questions they'reasking.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, that's a great term the midlife awakening
versus the midlife crisis,because that's always the way it
was framed when I was growingup.
It always seemed to be guys intheir 50s getting divorced and
buying a sports car.
That was the way it was.
That's right the stereotype, butyeah, no, it's a great.
I like the reframe because itisn't always necessarily a

(13:38):
crisis.
It might be like a crisis ofthought, but it isn't
necessarily like a life crisis.
But I think you get to acertain point, especially after
you've been in the workforce fora while, you have more lived
experience, more life experience.
And then, yeah, you get to thatlike midway point, whatever, uh
, and you start.
For me, it's like you startlooking at the like I'm a lot
closer to the end than I am thebeginning.

(13:59):
So you're like all right, likeI've used up quite a bit of time
already.
I don't have a ton of time left.
And then, kind of what you saidlike do I just want to keep?
Am I just going to keepgrinding out this work?
That means literally nothing tome.
That I'm only doing because Iobviously need money to survive
and pay bills and stuff.
But like, at some point that'snot enough.
And so, yeah, I think you'reright.

(14:19):
I think a lot of people werelike all right, let's, the
timeout has been called for me.
Let's reassess and let's figureout if there's a different path
and it might not necessarily belike online business and
coaching, but it could be adifferent career trajectory or a
side project or whatever.
Right, but you're starting toask questions and you're
starting to explore more.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Totally and to your point.
It's like you don't have toleave your current job or career
this moment to go figure outwhat that is.
It's really either givingyourself permission or meeting
someone like a coach or mentorto receive that permission to be
like you're right.
Maybe once a week I do want toplay.

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I haven't played the guitarsince college.
I want to go do that.
That lit me up.
I think a lot of people arelike I want to have fun.
But can I have fun?
Can I?
Can I explore a passion that Ihad 15, 20, 25 years ago?
It's like starting there, Iloved to paint or sew or dance,
whatever that is.
Tap into those creative juicesthat can can light you up, where

(15:23):
you can still do your work andstill have your family time and
all that.
But give yourself thepermission to find something
that lights you up with passion.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, that's a great point.
It doesn't have to be a drasticchange.
It doesn't have to be a quityour job or move to Europe or
sell all your possessions.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
It doesn't have to be , if you can, if you want to, I
mean right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Absolutely All of the above, but it doesn't have to
be.
If you can, if you want to, Imean right, yeah, absolutely all
of the above, but it doesn'thave to be.
But I think as we get older,right as adults you and I are
big sports fans um, that theaspect of play really, you
really lose it, right, like as akid.
That's kind of all you do, andthen it kind of slowly fades,
and then you know, kind of asyou get to college and out of
college and then you get a jobright, then it just kind of gets

(16:06):
like less and less and then, ifyou're not careful, you get to,
you know, 35 to 45.
And then you're not reallydoing anything.
That would probably beconsidered like playing.
But it's very important becausethere's so much benefit, like
mentally and physically, todoing it.
So I do think, whether it'smusic, painting, sports, like
whatever it is for you liketapping into that, and even if

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it's only once a week orwhatever it, just, like you said
, it activates different partsof the brain and it just feels
good.
And so if you have work thatyou don't love but you're doing
this on a somewhat consistentbasis, then it starts to balance
.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, at least makes maybe that a little bit more
tolerable in the short termuntil you continue to lean in
and explore further.
You're wanting to make a biggerchange, but certainly start
small.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, I have a guitar in my office.
My parents are both musicallyinclined.
They both can play.
My mom can play the piano andthe organ.
My dad can play the guitar,they can sing, and it completely
skipped me, like I just didn'tget like any of it.
Um, and so I've had a guitaroff and on for like 25 years and
I've just I've never reallytaught myself to play it.

(17:17):
It's very embarrassing now.
Um, so when the pandemic hit, Igot pretty serious about it.
I signed up for one of theonline guitar things and I was
like going through it and afterlike a month, I was like this is
going to take me forever.
I have, this is never going tohappen.
So I just thought I need.
I need to be able to playsomething that sounds familiar

(17:37):
and they're just having you play, just like you know, these
random notes that sound likenothing, and I'm like this is
dumb.
So I stopped.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, okay, okay.
Well, at least you tried andyou've got the sports gene.
So I believe you tap into thatquite often yeah, I just so.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
We got invited.
We're playing on sundaymornings at 6 30 in the morning.
Uh, it's a.
It's a mix of old guys like meand freshmen in high school and
so oh my gosh.
Yeah, we're playing for like anhour hour and a half on sunday
mornings.
It's been a lot of fun.
My conditioning was not.
I was not in shape to do that.
So the first couple of weekswere like, oh my God, I'm going
to die.
So we played four or five weeksin a row now.

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So my conditioning is startingto get a little bit better.
My game is still pretty rusty,but it's fun.
My oldest son goes up with meand it's been a lot of fun.
I don't know how long we'llkeep doing it, but that's been
good, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
And what a commitment and dedication at 6 30 in the
morning on a sunday, that's whenwe start running.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
So we get there.
We get there at like 605.
Yeah, because it takes it takesme a lot longer to get loose,
like when I was my son's age.
I would just roll in there,throw my shoes on and be like,
let let's play.
Now I'm like, yeah, I need like20 minutes.
I have to do this series ofcalisthenics and plyometrics and
running and stretching and likeI can't just, I can't just

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start sprinting up and down thecourt.
That's not not in the cardsanymore.
So I do miss those days when Ithere was no, none of that.
But yeah, but it's again, it'sfun.
It's an hour, hour and a half.
You know you break a sweat,your heart rate gets up.
You know basketball has alwaysbeen something that I've enjoyed
.
So again, whatever that is foryou, uh, and it's not a long

(19:14):
time.
Like we don't.
I mean, we do get there early,but we're usually out of there
by like 8, 8, 15 and then kindof have the rest of your day,
but so it doesn't take a lot, um, but yeah, it just kind of
offsets the stress or whateveryou have going on.
So, um, you play a lot of.
Is it tennis or golf, I can'tremember golf golf yeah golf.
So it's you're getting, it'sgetting ready to be.

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It's close to golf.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Maybe another what like six weeks, eight weeks yeah
, hopefully yeah that's the goalyeah, get me out there, I'll
play any day today.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Pretty nice.
I saw a thing on Twitter today.
Some guy played over 1,000rounds last year or the year
before I started doing the math.
I was like three rounds a dayall year.
I don't even understand themath.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I don't either.
Did he hit the Guinness WorldRecord for that or something
Impressive?
Okay?

Speaker 1 (20:05):
It makes me tired.
My arms are tired just thinkingabout it, me too.
Yeah, so you and your husbandplay pretty regularly correct?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
we try, we try.
We're not members anywhere yet,but we like to play different
courses.
We like to travel and do itwhich is cool, around the
Midwest and, um, really any.
We'll go anywhere, but it'sconvenient to at least throw the
clubs in the car and drive, youknow a couple hours or spend a
weekend somewhere and play.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Awesome.
Yeah, I played a lot.
My mom's second husband was alocal golf pro where I lived and
so I didn't start playing rightaway.
But I quit playing baseball andsoccer, I was just playing
basketball and I wanted anothersport and he was around and so I
was at the course kind of a lotanyway.
So I started playing.
I was like 13.
So I played a lot up untilprobably 23 or 24 and then, you

(20:53):
know, once I started working andI just kind of played less and
less.
Now I play maybe twice a year,but I played enough to where I
can still hit like a coupledecent shots around which kind
of is like all right, like it'sstill kind of there.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
But then I hit a lot of bad shots and I'm like, okay,
that's not that fun usuallyit's those one or two, though,
where you're like that makes youwant to go out and do that
again.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, that was pretty cool a little bit like the slot
machine at the casino.
Exactly, it does pay outoccasionally.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, it's possible.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
You make good contact or you make a long putt, you're
like, oh yeah, this is so fun.
And then you make triple on thenext hole and you're like this
sucks.
That's right, yeah, so gettingback to the coaching.
So you got into, you took thecertifications.
You wanted to start helpingpeople.
How did you start findingclients?
Like who did you start workingwith?
What did that look like as youwere kicking it off?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Great question Going through the Certification 21,.
It was for simply practice.
I would just reach out to mylocal network of, you know,
friends on Facebook and familyand friends, and offering small
packages just to get the reps inof sessions.
And then what I've done for thelast three years almost three

(22:07):
years full-time speaking iscertainly a way to continue to
share my story and from a leadgen standpoint, a revenue gen
standpoint.
So that's been one way tocontinue to attract just
business overall, honestly, isthe speaking aspect and working
with it's been referral and wordof mouth.

(22:27):
So even doing some teamworkshops and things like that
have been through folks that Iknow here in Indianapolis that
bring me in and will pour intotheir people in that regard as
well, which I love to do.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Nice Is the speaking?
Was that always part of yourplan or you kind of fell into
that as you started coaching?

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I feel like I started to fall into it.
When I started coaching, I knewI wanted to share my story.
I had one to share my story.
I knew that I had one to share,so, really, 2020 21 that's when
I did a ton of a lot of podcastguesting as a way to share and I

(23:06):
just got I love, I love podcastguesting.
Um, because every conversationis different.
You know, you know some it's,they're all different.
I don't know how else to say it.
I'm not going to say it's drawna lot of like legion that way,
but as far as building my brandand my message and my presence
has helped quite a bit.
So, and then leading intoin-person speaking engagements,
how I want to share my story inthat way, has helped too.

(23:28):
So I'm all about being able toshare in this type of on this
type of platform.
It's been really great.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Nice.
Do you have like a keynotespeech that you give, or do you
tweak it and tailor it based onthe group, or how do you address
that part?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, great question.
I have a signature talk, theone that I've spoken most about.
It's starting to expand, butwhat I continuously get asked
about in some way shape or formis what I call victim mentality
versus warrior mentality.
So how to overcome the victimmentality and embrace your inner

(24:03):
warriors.
What I've spoken on the most,because usually leaders will
come up to me and say we've gotsomebody on our team that's
adapting this victim mentalityBecause I'll talk about here's
what it looks like and feelslike and sounds like and here's
where it comes from.
And that's personal to meBecause, as I started to build

(24:26):
my brand in 21 and do podcastinterviews, actually people
would unintentionally call me astroke victim versus stroke
survivor and I wouldn't sayanything right in that moment,
but it was a trigger word for meBecause I was like I would only
be a victim if it took my life.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
I'm still here.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
And then, as I started to develop the talk, I
then had to do my ownself-reflection, though, and say
was there a time I adapted avictim mentality?
And it was like coming offpresident's club year in 2016,.
I'm on this high and then Iwant to hit another one in 2017,
but why did my mindset changeso much?
Right, I would start to blamethings outside of my control,
blame the buyer, blame anotherrep for having a bigger

(25:02):
territory than me or moreaccounts to sell than me, when
it's like none of that was true.
They were just easy to say outloud at the time, versus look in
the mirror and like own my part.
So that's what I, that's what Italk about, and can bring real
life examples and and bringawareness to it.
And then here's some things youcan try on and do today to
shift your own mindset, becauseyou have the capability to do it

(25:23):
.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, I love that reframe and I think a lot of
people can benefit because it iseasy to blame outside
circumstances and sometimesthere's certainly, you know,
situations and things that arenot in your control that do work
against you.
But I think more often than notwe allow that to have too much
control over what happens, andthen you can fall into that, the

(25:46):
spiral or or cycle of like youknow everything's just against
you and you know it's allworking against you and there's
nothing you can do.
Uh, typically that's not true.
Like, there's usually alwayssteps could be small steps, but
there's nothing you can do.
Typically that's not true.
There's usually always steps.
It could be small steps, butthere's usually always something
you can change or you can tweakor whatever that starts to move
you forward.
So I think that's great.
You talked about it this week inyour post.

(26:08):
You had a video.
Your company is called JustCommit.
So, yeah, if you can tell thatstory, I think that's a great
story.
I appreciate that, the name ofyour company, yeah, so Just Comm
, tell that story, I thinkthat's a great story.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I appreciate that the name of your company yeah, so
Just Commit came about.
I mean, I got clever with myinitials JC.
Obviously I knew I didn't wantto just call it Jennifer Chapman
Coachingcom.
So about six months after mystroke I joined a Pilates studio

(26:43):
because I knew my body wasn'tgoing to allow me to do the boot
camp intensity, high intensityworkouts in that moment.
So I had to find something andeven though before my stroke I
would have never considered yogaor Pilates as a form of workout
for me personally, I leaned inthrough through a friend.
She said why don't you come tryit?
Try the studio that I that I'man instructor at.
And I said, okay, and thestudio is called just breathe
and it's in Fishers, indiana.
And uh, what I started to noticethe first year or two is I

(27:03):
would take classes a few timesevery week is we would be in a
really difficult, likecompromised position.
Right, we're in this hold,we're in a difficult pose or
position.
And she would say just hold orjust lift or just pulse.
And it was so hard, but shemade it sound so easy.
Right, just just live.

(27:24):
So we'll be in a plank positionand have one leg, you know, up
in the air and just hold for aminute and it's like that's
excruciating.
And so I came up with justcommit, because that's what I'm
asking my clients to do, is justcommit to the next thing.
Just commit to the next step,the next action, the next choice

(27:46):
that you want to make.
It's not going to happen all atonce or overnight, but
ultimately, I'm asking you tojust commit to you.
Are you willing to do that?
And and that's I getcompliments on it all the time
and I believe it's a reallypowerful reframe of and it
really you can also bring theexample of you know Nike's

(28:06):
tagline?
Right, just do it.
And and someone interviewed MelRobbins in one of the many
conversations she's had and shesaid do you know the most
powerful, important word ofNike's tagline?
And the guy said do she's likeno, it's just because that's the
courage to try, so hopefullythat lands for folks too is like
just do the next thing.

(28:28):
Can you just take the next step?
Bite size it.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
No, that's great, I love it.
I don't like stretching orstrength, and so I've been told
I should try pilates, becausethen I'll combine both of them
and somehow it'll magically likeoffset.
But we'll see yeah, it's likethis hurt so good kind of pain
you know, they play johnmellencamp while you're doing it
they can, maybe, if you want touh, it is indiana, so I

(28:56):
probably could have a chance tomake that happen, that's right.
So, when you're working withclients, what does your
engagement look like?
Do you do a month?
Do you do three months, sixmonths, does it depend?
How do you like to set it upand work with them?

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, great question, at least three months.
So right now I have athree-month or a six-month and I
do 45-minute sessions.
So three weeks on, one week off.
So the one week's off forintegration, you know, try some
things on.
I mean, the work is done inbetween sessions.
There's powerful moments duringsession and then it's being able

(29:31):
to to give clients.
Here here are two, three, twoor three things that I want you
to explore this week.
And then we, you know, when wereconnect, it's what's working,
what's not working.
What I also find, you know, asa coach, it's accountability.
Not only is it accountabilityto try on all things, it's also

(29:52):
the safe space for me to holdfor you during time to kind of
explore what didn't work and why.
What's been getting in your wayof why it didn't work, because
there's always something there.
So being able to lean in andask those questions for them to
then tap into the answers andbecause that's where that's
where the answers are going tobe is is what's getting in your

(30:15):
way, because what gets in yourway is your way through.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
We typically have most of the answers inside of us
.
We just don't realize it.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
And that's where a coach a good coach comes in and
asks enough questions, probesdeep enough, gets you to think
differently, try differently,whatever it is you're working on
, and they push you a little bitfarther than you would push
yourself.
And then you kind of realizelike, oh, I was kind of able, I
could have done this the wholetime, but you're probably not
going to do it like on your ownor just because you watch a

(30:45):
youtube video or whatever.
So, uh, and that's where andthat's the power of coaching I
made the mistake early onbecause I would hire career
coaches, because I was unhappyin my career and I kind of just
wanted them to fix.
I just wanted them to tell mewhat to do.
Like, just like, I'll give you,I'll tell you whatever you want
to know.
I'll take all your tests, I'll,I'll fill out any surveys for
your personality iq, give themto me, I'll take all of them and

(31:08):
then just tell me, tell me whatto do.
That's never.
That's never how it works.
Um, so I think that's some ofthe mistake people make when
they hire, no matter what typeof coach they hire, it's like,
oh, this person's going to likesolve, solve it for me.
It's like they're actuallywon't and it's not even there.
A they're not capable of doingthat.
B even if they were, thatwouldn't do you any good Cause.

(31:31):
Then it's just, and so thecoach is really moving you along
that path to where you kind offigure it out.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I totally agree with you.
I mean these last gosh, almostfour and a half years that I've
probably had a coach in some wayshape or form along my personal
and business journey.
For me, because I love theaccountability For me, because I
love the accountability it doeshelp me explore.
You know, showing up for thatperson and exploring like, well

(32:01):
hey, would I have done thatwithout you?
Right To your point about stillbeing self-motivated to do and
self-accountable, I always likehaving it's like why would I not
do it for me?
Right, when I know I don't wantto let them down?
So if they tell me to havethese three things done, but the
next time we meet I'm going toI want to have those three
things done.
So that's another fascinatingthing too is like and to not

(32:21):
beat myself up, because we'reall really good at being able to
do that right To to criticizeourselves and beat ourselves up
versus acknowledging andhonoring and celebrating what
we've done and where we're at.
So I very much always valuehaving a coach help me along the
way.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, I'm kind of the same way.
I typically always have eithera therapist and a coach or both
depending and I think one of thethings that helps me is that
they're always able to.
Someone on the outside is justalways able to see things so
much more clearly that you can't, because you're emotionally
tied to it, and you're it.
If you take my business, forexample, I'm living it every day
, I'm thinking about it all thetime, and so it's a whole in

(33:03):
versus on concept.
And then someone from theoutside comes in who's not
spending any time thinking aboutme or the business.
They're just looking at it fromthat 30,000-foot view and
they're like, oh, what aboutthis?
And you're like God, I'd neverthought about that, like that's
how it was so simple, how did Imiss that?
And it's like can't see itbecause you're too close to it.

(33:25):
So I think that's that's it.
The accountability part isgreat, but I just think that
there's just something aboutthat, the emotional detachment
that a coach has.
They just can see things.
You literally just can't seethem.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I totally agree, and it's like that phrase right, you
can't see the picture whenyou're in the frame.
And even learning that with myfirst coach when I was not in a
great place.
I want to share this with youraudiences.
A lot of people don't want towhen they're in the hard.
A lot of people don't want towhen they're in the hard.

(34:01):
And when my coach asked me ourfirst or second session, she
suggested a reframe for me,which was, instead of
questioning why me, she said youneed to ask yourself why not me
?
Why not have a stroke at 34?
Now you're a lot of people hearthat and they're like what are
you talking about?
Who asked that?
That's offensive.
What do you?

(34:21):
Who?
Who wants to have a stroke at34?
And I'm very thankful that andmaybe it was because my brain
was not in an overly healedplace quite yet that I had the
courage to want to lean intothat and say, yeah, why not?
What's there?
Because that's several of mylife learning lessons have been

(34:43):
from that question.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, no, I mean it's the whole.
You know, life is 1% of whathappens and 99% of how you react
or like whatever the that's itrespond.
Whatever, those numbers aren'tright, but you get the point.
It's that stuff's going tohappen to you all the time in
life and it goes in waves andit's up down and there's
severity of the ups and downs.
But through all of that, it'smostly your choice and how you

(35:08):
respond and you can, like yousaid, blame and play the victim
and stay small, or you can tryto figure out a different path
and rise above it and, in yourcase, use it, you know, for good
and strength and helping others, which I applaud greatly.
Um, but it's not easy to do,because if it was easy to do, a
lot more people would do it nodoubt, no doubt.

(35:30):
Thank you the, the blaming iseasy, the pointing the finger is
easy.
Uh, that's why I tell my kidsall the time when they are like
you know, the coach or theofficials or the weather or
whatever, and I'm like it's thesame for everybody, like that
stuff's the same, so don't.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Don't take the low hanging.
Like it was this fault.
Like don't do that.
You control your effort andyour attitude and your energy.
And then whatever happens afterthat happens and that official
did not wake up to ruin yourfifth grade basketball game,
like that was not his, that wasnot on his agenda.
Like we're going to fleece thiswreck basketball team today.

(36:09):
Like he doesn't care, like hereally doesn't.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
That's it, and I applaud you for you know sharing
that type of um insight withthem at their age.
I I didn't have that, you knowI mean.
I had, you know, a great dad andthen fortunately lost my mom
too young but and she was great,um also, I just didn't have

(36:34):
that type of support that wasasking those types of questions
to me where, you know, afterlosing my mom, you know, to kind
of lead into, I took up sportas a way to process, even though
I probably wasn't really doinga process right, I was probably
just masking over all of it, butI took out all my frustration

(36:56):
and anger in in playing tennis.
I grew up playing tennis and I,you know I'm the girl that
loves to win and hates to lose,and so I didn't have someone
asking me those questions oflike it wasn't their intention,
you know the coach's intentionto, like, you know, ruin your
day because they called you outon something.

(37:18):
But you know it's easy as a 15year old to be like how, how
dare they?

Speaker 1 (37:24):
so funny.
I mean it's so sad.
The parent it's, I mean thekids one thing, but the parents
are just.
They're so over the top,especially with the officials.
It's like they're justvolunteers, like this is not
their full-time job, likethey're making like 25 a game or
you know a game, I don't know.
They're doing it for the money.
They want to be out, they'regetting some exercise.
They like the sport, they'resupporting the kids for whatever

(37:46):
reason.
So why don't we just supportthem?
They're literally not trying toswing this game.
They don't have money on thisgame and they're trying to
affect the outcome.
There's no point spread here.
This is not on DraftKings.
You can't Just let it go.
They're going to make bad calls.
If you were the official, youwould make bad calls.

(38:06):
They're going to miss calls.
The other thing they don't getis that they're trying to make
the game flow.
I'm really talking basketballhere, but it's a lot.
They called every travel orevery or every foul.
There would basically be nogame, because at the younger
levels there's a foul, andwalking on every, almost every
possession, you'd then complainthey were calling too much and
so then they'd stop calling andyou'd be like no, now you got to
call it like, just let the gamego, just focus on your kid and

(38:29):
your team.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
But no, it's always like the officials are terrible,
it's like okay, well, they'rebad both ways yeah, yeah, that's
probably one of the severalreasons.
I probably it's not true, butyou know, I chose.
I chose not to have kids, and Ibecause I know I'd probably be
that parent and that is, thatwould not be the best version of
myself.
So I'll just say that there yougo.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Well, at least you're self-aware and honest I, I own
that I coach my fifth.
I didn't do a lot of coachingwith my oldest and then I kind
of regretted it.
So now that my youngest he's 11, he's kind of going through the
sports.
So I've coached his basketballteam the last two years.
I did soccer one year.
That was not for me, but Ireally try, I go out of my way.
I don't say anything to theofficials, like I never complain

(39:13):
about calls, um, I try to.
I thank them if I can afterevery game because like I know
that I'm in the minority andlike sometimes they're not great
, but who cares?
right, it's just like right itis um, like I said, it's not
their main.
It's not their main gigsaturday mornings at the gym 12
straight.
You know fifth and sixth gradegames, like like.

(39:35):
That's not a really a great wayto spend the Saturday, but
they're doing it again for alittle bit of money and some
enjoyment.
So when you're playing tennis,so it's interesting.
Your two sports are both veryindividual sports, very mental
sports.
Both golf and tennis, right,are very.
You really have to stay on topof your mental game because you

(39:57):
can get down like pretty easily.
Stay on top of your mental gameCause you can.
You can get down like prettyeasily and you don't have
anybody, you don't haveteammates to pick you up per se.
Um, do you think that you everever thought about like that you
did two individual sportsversus like a team sport?

Speaker 2 (40:09):
That's not.
Not as much as I as you say itright now, because what I, what
I love and know about myself, ishow much I love to be a part of
a team and collab andpartnership, which is also
interesting as a solopreneur,which that's where it's brought
my awareness to, it's likethat's where it feels hard
sometimes is that it is just mewearing all the hats and, while

(40:34):
I've enjoyed doing some contractfacilitation work and
partnerships, it's like I'm partof a team and people, and so it
is interesting to look back andsee that you know tennis, even
though I was on a team, it wasme and I put a lot of pressure
on me to want to win for my teamand even in golf, I'm competing

(40:55):
with me.
For a long time, I think that Iwas competing with my husband
and it's like, no, I'm competingwith me.
For a long time, I could thinkthat I was competing with my
husband and it's like, no, I'mcompeting with me.
So that's helped shift mymindset playing.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, I mean, I played golf in high school and
it was part of a team too, butit was like nobody else could
hit shots for me, right, right,I had to do it all.
Whatever I shot and they shot,we add them up.
Right, I had to do it all.
Whatever I shot and they shot,we add them up.
Whereas in basketball or soccer, football, whatever baseball
even, obviously somebody elsecould drive in a run or somebody

(41:27):
else can make a shot or make atackle, whatever the case may be
.
But tennis and golf are both,like, I guess, doubles.
Tennis would be a little bitdifferent because your teammate
could pick you up there, but ifit's individual one-on-one, then
if it's not going well, youcan't sub, you can't be like
I'll have somebody else do itfor a couple games.
You have to figure out a waythrough it.

(41:48):
It is actually a greatsolopreneur analogy.
Maybe you should write thatpost the golf, tennis
solopreneur.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, thank you, it's got my wheels turning and, as
you say that now it's like evenin high school playing tennis,
even though I'm on a team andyet it was still individualized.
Looking back now it's like Ididn't want to let them down by
losing that point, just likebeing on a team in corporate
sales.

(42:16):
I didn't want to let them downby not having a good week or a
good month or you know, itaffected our location or it's.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, it's a good reflection in the moment right
now that way, so I'll have tothink about that too.
But yeah, the solopreneur gamealthough you can, I'm learning
and leaning into trying tooutsource some things, no matter
how good you are, nobody'sgreat at everything and there's

(42:48):
so much to business, right,there's sales and marketing and
content and coaching and taxesand networking and websites.
There's so many aspects Notthat you need all of them, but
you do need a lot of them andit's just almost impossible for
any one person to just be amaster or a guru at every facet.
So I think really leaning intoreally doubling down on your
strengths and then outsourcingor just getting help on those

(43:11):
places where you don't eitherhave the capacity or the
expertise and there's people outthere that can help you.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
So couldn't, couldn't agree more.
And another, another book thatwas supportive, as I was sharing
my where I was really probablythis time last year with a
friend of mine here in indies.
She suggested the book who, nothow, so know your who's?
And I I wish I could rememberthe author.
You probably know his namebecause he's written several

(43:40):
books.
Um, but that was, that wasgreat insight.
So you know, as I continue toto grow this thing, it's like
who can be my who's?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
No, I haven't heard of the book, but I love the idea
behind it Because, again, justsome things are just, even if
you could be good at them.
You're like I don't have time,my baseline is too low and I'd
have to do a bunch of trainingor take a course or watch a
bunch of videos.
You're like that's just not.
You're always paying with timeor money.
I think people forget that.
You're like well, I'm not goingto hire this person.
Well then, you're going to paywith your time to try to figure

(44:11):
it out.
So how much is your time worth?
So if you're going to pay thatcoach, you know which is
replaceable and our time isn't,and so some things, just, yeah,
I could do it, it would justtake me forever.

(44:33):
I just don't have time to tryto figure it out.
I don't want to spend timedoing that, so I'll find
somebody that can.
That's one of the great thingsabout LinkedIn.
I mean you could post right nowand say, hey, I need website
help or I need marketing help oremail help or whatever, and I
mean someone would see it inprobably five minutes and be
like hey, just reach out to thisperson or this person's great

(44:55):
Like you would get a bunch ofreferrals in a couple hours.
And that's the beauty ofLinkedIn, because there's so
many people that do so manyspecific things.
There's so many people that doyou know so many specific things
.
So, like you said, with a, witha growing network and and who
you know um, you know who canhelp when you, when you need it
and where you need it, andsometimes you need it pretty

(45:15):
quickly.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
So it's nice to be able to reach out and and do it.
Agreed, well, said.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
What?
Um?
So what's next Like?
What do you like?
What's your vision for the?
Do you want to keep doingone-on-one?
Are you going to do groupcoaching?
Is it going to be hybridspeaking and coaching?
What is your vision for thefuture of your business?

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, it's still hybrid.
Again, I love to speak If I canbring some of the foundational
type skills in a more holisticway for teams leaders
understanding the value of aresource like myself to be able
to pour into their people on amore of a mental and emotional

(45:53):
level, so therefore they can bethe best version of who they
want them to be in aprofessional setting.
Um, so if I can do that throughspeaking and team workshop, I I
want to.
I'm leaning that.
That way it fills my cup.
Um, and then I am doing a groupcoaching cohort April 1st, so
I'm doing that throughmasterclasses.

(46:13):
So my next masterclass, if Imay share, is March 18th, and
that's all about how toprioritize you without guilt.
And I think a lot of people getconfused with the word time
versus priority.
You know, when people say Idon't have time, does that
usually have to do withsomething that you want to do
that you're not making time for,and so when you change that

(46:33):
word of priority, it hitsdifferent, and so it's being
able to provide tools andstrategies to support.
Here's how that can look foryou and it not feel like you
have to take the whole day offor whole week off or half a day.
It's like, here are these smallbursts of things that you can
pour into you.
That way you can continue toshow up as the best you can for

(46:54):
everybody else around you thatyou serve all the time.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, no, I love that .
The masterclass and theworkshops, I think, are a great
way to get people kind of intoyour orbit and get to experience
.
You know you and your energyand your experience, and then
you know.
From there it's easier, I think, to decide to move forward and
work together, versus just likecontent or emails, which can
obviously be a little, a littlestiffer in terms of like the

(47:20):
personality aspect and theenergy aspect.
So, um, I think that's a great,I think that's a great approach
, uh.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Thank you, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Kind of continual repetitive process for you, and
obviously speaking is just kindof the same way a little
different presentation, but thesame idea.
So, no, I think it's great, Ilove that you're doing it and
you've made it through yearthree or four, which is just not
easy to do.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Thank you, correct.
Yeah, it's never forgetting tobe proud of myself for being
where I am now in thesolopreneur world, because a few
years ago I would have nevertold you I'd be one, that's for
sure.
So thank you for acknowledgingthat.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
No, it's not easy.
As someone who's only beendoing it for a little over a
year, it's tough.
It's way harder, way harderthan being an employee.
I don't care how much you hateyour job, it is way easier, way
easier.
Just to take the paycheck andgrind out the work and clock out
.
That's the safety.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah, it's not real safety because it can go away at
any time.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah, it's, it's.
It's not real safety, cause itcan go away at any time.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
But you're right.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yes, you're right, it's safer.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Safer yeah totally.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Um, yeah, no, so thanks for coming on.
Before we wrap up, I do want totalk, uh, sports gambling,
cause you're one of the fewpeople that I've met who
actually knows, like, what apoint spread is.
Most people don't know what apoint spread is and they
couldn't explain it and they'venever placed a bet.
So I grew up so my dad's beenin the horse business for most
of my life, so I grew up goingto the track.

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So you know I learned prettyquickly what a trifecta, what a
trifecta box was like when I waslike eight, um, and then I was
kind of exposed to sportsgambling, which wasn't as big a
thing in the 80s, but it waswith bookies and stuff.
There was obviously no, nodraft kings and vandal then.
But uh, you could play stats ifyou wanted to.
So I, pretty early on, justunderstood.

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And then my friends, and likeschool, we all, just we all just
understood.
I feel like it's one of thosethings you kind of get or you
don't like, right, just seven,and they're seven and a half
favorites.
Like you just kind of know whatthat means and you know you
don't really have to explain it.
Or you're like I don't knowwhat that means and you try to
explain, you're like I stilldon't get it.
So it seems to be very all ornone, um, so yeah, so I've been

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around it like most of my life,I don't place big bets because I
don't really do it for money.
It's mostly entertainment.
And then now, obviously, withthe online apps, I use draft
kings, um, but it is fun.
It is.
It adds a little extra appeal.
If you're watching a game, Ifind football to be the best in
terms of the easiest sport tobet, just the way the game is
played, um basketball, withfouls and three-pointers.

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I hate betting, so, uh, yeah,I'd love to hear, like, your
background on sports betting andgambling, because it's pretty
rare.
You're the first person that'sbeen on this show that I've ever
talked to it about, which alsopleases me greatly.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
I'm honored.
Yeah, I mean, I've always beena sports girl, so it was
introduced to me.
Fanduel was introduced to methree years ago, okay, and I was
instantly curious.
And what I've learned threeyears in?
I only do NFL and collegefootball, so I don't feel like I

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really know enough about, aboutthe basketball world to to do
it.
Um, and all the other sportsbigger risk, bigger reward I
would say like, for example, youknow, to guess who's going to
win the PGA on a Sunday is ismuch more of a challenge, I
would say, unless you've got afive stroke league.
But what I, what I know aboutmyself, david, three years in,

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to your point, it's like.
It's like it's like a round ofgolf, it's like through a season
, you know one week I'm going tohit, and that puts you on a
high, but like, the next four orfive weekends probably aren't
going to go the way you wantedthem to go.
But then you go up, you know,then you, then you hit a parlay
and you're like, oh, fantastic,you know, and that that just

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keeps you on that high.
So what I want to become betterat is not always betting with
my heart, though, versusunderstanding more of the,
paying attention to some of theguys on ESPN.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
They have no idea what they're talking about.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
They don't either.
I understand that.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I swear to God, I almost did this.
I think you could take theirbest bets and go the opposite.
You could fade them.
I think you'd make a fortune.
Every time I've ever followedone of their best bets which is
always really random, by the wayit's like a single person's
point total, not even a goodplayer.
A bench player's point total islike seven and a half.

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Take the over.
It's like huh, you don't evenknow how many minutes he's going
to play.
He's going to score eight ormore points.
I swear.
I think their bets are wrong,like 80% of the time.
I can just be me.
Anyway, sorry to interrupt.
No, you're good.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Well, that's good insight as I navigate this next
season.
But I have a blast.
I love watching football, so itdoes make it a little bit more
fun watching games that youmaybe normally wouldn't, because
if a certain team wins, it'slike even a little risk could be
a big reward.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Really yeah, so it's for me.
It's about just being right.
It's never about the money,it's just like, oh, being right,
because the sportsbooker, likeit's their job to know more than
you and they do.
They just have they have toomany resources.
Um, and talking about, like,emotional attachment, the books
are not attached to the outcome,so the spreads are only
designed to A, to get actionboth ways, and then that's it.

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And then the public loves thefavorites because of psychology,
because it's always easier forsomeone to do something by more
than it is to do something less,and they make profit from that
because most people bet thefavorites.
Like you said, there's a lot ofhard betting, so so you're
betting on your team, whetherit's your hometown team or
favorite team or favorite player, so there's a lot of that which
has no bearing in logic orweather or anything.

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You're just like, yeah, colts,colts are seven point home
favorites, like, all right,let's do it, and they lose by 10
.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
You're like no way right so.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
But there's there's tons of like I.
But there's there's tons oflike I love the psychology.
Like there's tons of ton ofrecency bias bias in gambling
which people don't reallyunderstand.
Like spreads are affected somuch by what has just happened
because they know that peopleare seeing that.
So like in NFL you see a teamplay really poorly and get blown
out and then the next week like, oh, that team sucks Well,

(53:44):
sucks well maybe, but what'sreally going to happen is that
next week they're going topractice a lot harder, their
coaches are going to coach thema lot harder and they have pride
, they're going to play a lotbetter.
But like you can't get thatscore from the week before like
out of your head, like, oh, theywere so awful and then what
happened?
then you end up betting againstthem and then, of course, they
play better, because that's justthat's how it.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah, as a diehard Colts fan, lifelong Colts fan, I
will never bet on them.
I will never bet on them tolose or win, because they will
surprise me every single time.
It gets my heart rate beatingfaster right now even thinking
about it.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
What about keeping Chris Ballard for year nine of
one playoff win?
What's that do for your heartrate?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Not happy about it.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Just not of one playoff win.
How does that?
What's that do for your heartrate?
Not happy about it, just not.
I just wonder how much long?
What is our station?
Give him like a?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
10-year leash be like all right, it's, maybe it's
gonna work or not.
This could go go anotherepisode, um, but he's, he's,
he's not it, and I'll be curiousto see what we do quarterback
wise this this season.
I don't know if they thinkAnthony Richardson's it.
I don't know.
What do you?

Speaker 1 (54:50):
think he's not it, but he's great entertainment
because literally anything canhappen on any play and that's
not.
I know it's wild, I'm notreally.
I'm a Bengals fan but I don'troot against the Colts.
I mean I would like to see themwin if they can.
But Richardson is fascinatingbecause literally every play is
on the table every single time,like it can be the greatest.

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I mean the throw he had to, uh,uh, I'm drawing a blank on his
name, the wide receiverCincinnati Um, but it was like
the first second game last yearhe threw it like off.
He threw it off like one foot70 yards in the air.
I mean like almost impossibleto have that, to have that type
of strength and he was even likePierce.
Pierce.
I couldn't, just couldn't thinkof his name, but he like

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slipped.
I can't remember the exact play, but he like literally slipped
and almost fell.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Literally one step, two defenders in his face, you
know 70 yards in the air instride.
So he can do that whichprobably like five people on
planet earth are even physicallycapable of doing.
That, which is incredible.
And then he can.
He can't make like the mostbasic five-yard slant route to
get the first down, like it's atsomebody's feet, it's over,

(55:57):
it's whatever.
So he's fascinating becausehe's so gifted but yet so far
from being polished and like anactual, true nfl.
So like it's.
I understand the appeal, but Ijust don't know if he can ever
get to the point where he cancorral like the mistakes enough
to allow like the good plays tobe enough.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Agreed, as exciting as he is and I was as excited as
I was when we drafted him, youknow.
Now it's like, oh, he is veryinexperienced, yeah, he's got
potential and it's exciting toyour point, but it's like we
need a lot more of the five yardslant plays than we do the 70
yarders yeah, because the nfljust doesn't allow.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Like the big plays just don't happen enough and so
you have to make.
You just have to make the morefundamental uh plays, um, more
often than not.
So I don't know.
I'm sure they'll bring in Iassume Flacco is not coming back
because he's like my age and Ithink the days of playing
professional sports are over, sohopefully they bring in a

(56:58):
little younger veteran.
But yeah, I don't know.
The problem with the Colts andBallard is that they're like you
never really want to be in themiddle.
Winning six to nine games isthe worst, because you can't
compete with the Chiefs and theBills currently, but you're not
bad enough to get the betterdraft pick, so you just end up

(57:21):
in the middle, that's the worst.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
You'd rather just bottom out.
That's the worst.
Yeah, that's the worst.
That's where we've been moretimes than not the last decade
yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
So it's like, yeah, they go 8 and 9.
So you're like, oh, alright,they're like close, like well,
they're not really that close.
And so like, what do you do?
And yeah, I don't know.
Um, I think Steichen's fine, Ithink their roster's just
average.
Um, I don't love theirreceivers.
I don't think either of theirlines are good enough to play at

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the highest level and then withthe ex-market quarterback, I
don't know.
I mean, the good part for themis their division sucks.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
I guess, that helps.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
The Jaguars are a mess.
The Titans are terrible.
Texans look decent for a year.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
They were still okay last year.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
But they're the Texans, so they could drop off
to basically tomorrow and nobodywould be surprised.
I think that's the best.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
There's always hope, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Do you get excited for the draft?
The draft's coming up.
Do you do anything for thedraft?

Speaker 2 (58:22):
I don't do anything, but I certainly keep an eye on
it for sure, especially reallythe whole, the whole time.
I'm not going to probably watchit.
I may watch round one becauseit is kind of exciting.
But yeah, I'm not going tospend too much time and energy
on it.
I'll I'll keep my eye on who we, who we draft, for sure.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yeah, two draft zoom.
So myself and two of mylongtime friends, we we get on a
zoom and we make fun of gaudeland the draft and drink some
bourbon, and I like the name ofit, it's good yeah we almost
started a podcast, so my first.
Well, I wanted to be abroadcaster as a kid, so this is

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like my foray into that, likeyou know, 40 years later.
So a few years ago, I tried totalk them into doing it was
going to be called bourbonbetting and bullshit, and we
were going to do, we were goingto do a podcast on.
We would drink bourbon, wewould talk about bourbon and we
would talk gambling and pointspreads.
They were kind of on board butI could tell, like not, they

(59:22):
weren't as committed as I was,and so we got on one time.
It wasn't an episode, we justgot on to record and we just
kind of talked about ideas andthen I just pulled the plug
because I was like this isn'treally going to work.
They don't really want to do it.
I'm going to do all the work,um, whatever.
So I scrapped it.
No, here we are could, couldhappen again.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Who knows you're?
You're so passionate about itand there's an audience there, I
have no doubt.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Well, especially now, I mean I feel bad, frankly, for
a lot of these young kids thathave never gambled before and
now they have access to.
It's not good Because you can'twin.
You'll lose long term.
It's not set up.
I mean, casinos are built, thecasinos are not.
Vegas is not built becauseyou're winning.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
It is set up for you to lose.
You can win, but over the longhaul you won't Do it lightly for
low money for entertainment.
Don't try to pay your billswith sport betting because you
can't do it.
I mean there are a few that canAlmost all cannot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
It's impressive if you can, because they are very
few.
That can't, almost all cannot.
It's impressive if you can.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Yeah, because they are very few.
Yeah, we used to go to Vegas alot.
I've talked to some guys thatdid it, that have done it as
like a career and honestly, youdon't want that lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Yeah, I mean they have done it, but like hearing
their stories.
It's like you don't want tolive like that it, but like
hearing their stories it's likeyou don't want to live.
You don't want to live like that.
No, I don't.
So, um, well, this is great.
Thanks for so much for comingon uh and sharing your story and
talking point spreads, uh,which is near and dear to my
heart.
I thank you for that.
Uh, any final words?
Uh, anything to leave theaudience with?

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And then, uh, how can they, ifthey want to find out more, how
can they get in touch with you?
Website, linkedin profile, allthat kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah, I've had a great time.
Thanks so much for having me.
I'm very active on LinkedIn, soplease connect with me there.
Jennifer Chapman, leadershipCoach, I believe, and that'll be
available to you when thisepisode comes out, as well as
justcommitcoachingcom.
Easily to schedule, even acomplimentary, you know coaching

(01:01:29):
.
Call on there, happy to happyto do that.
You know, connect for 30minutes and then we can attach a
link to my masterclass comingup next month.
Both men and women are welcomeIf you're struggling to to
prioritize you without the guilt, and we'll kind of explore how
to how to be able to do that theguilt and we'll kind of explore
how to how to be able to dothat and it feel easier, awesome

(01:01:50):
.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Yeah, that's me.
Well appreciate your story, uh,insight and energy.
Thanks for coming on, lookingforward to catching up.
I'll meet up again next month.
So thanks, jennifer, appreciateit yeah, thanks David.