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November 30, 2025 83 mins

The rain started before sunrise and so did the stories. We drove 13 hours to Wichita for a week packed with caregiving, cooking, and a smoky casino that taught our teens more about odds than any math class. What we brought home wasn’t just leftovers, it was a sharper sense of what makes holidays work: clear boundaries, shared effort, and small rituals that outlive a single season.

We get honest about hosting in a small space, why “help” that adds three babysat kids isn’t help at all, and how to say no without blowing up the family thread. In the kitchen, we found a groove cleaning as we cooked, tag-teaming the dressing, and leveling up a Costco smoked turkey with butter, seasoning, and the perfect reheat timing. Two mac and cheeses entered; the lobster mac edged out the classic for one of us, while pumpkin cheesecake started a civil war. Between bites, we talked through the pull between big gatherings and intimate moments and why rotating hosts keeps the joy intact.

Nostalgia shows up too. We swap JC Penney catalog memories for the modern magic of keeping Santa believable, the value of a family-only breakfast, and the case for locking up phones so conversations can breathe. The theme underneath it all is connection: sharing recipes with the story and the tweak, not just a link, and passing down the know-how that makes food taste like home. We wrap with gratitude, finals week strategies, a budding DJ playlist, and the reminder that holidays are a practice, notice more, thank more, help more—so peace can find its way to the table.

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SPEAKER_02 (00:03):
The refreshingly normal podcasts.

SPEAKER_03 (00:24):
Hello, happy holidays.
This is the Refreshingly NormalPodcast.
I am one of your great hosts,not the greatest.

SPEAKER_06 (00:35):
Because the greatest is right here.
Amen.

SPEAKER_03 (00:38):
Say that, sister.
I am Kefla.

SPEAKER_06 (00:40):
The star has arrived.
I am Lucretia.

SPEAKER_03 (00:43):
All right.
And this is the RefreshinglyNormal Podcast.

SPEAKER_06 (00:46):
Or it's known by my Uncle Harry, that girl.

SPEAKER_03 (00:48):
That girl, that's right.
I saw that girl running.
All right.
So uh thank you for joiningeveryone.
Uh, thank you for returning.
I appreciate uh those of youthat uh told your friends and
family members over the holiday,over the Thanksgiving table or
Friendsgiving, whichever youcelebrated, uh, about this great

(01:11):
podcast.
You know what I'm saying?
I hope you were able to drivewith us.
It's probably not so safe todrive with us because you're
gonna be laughing.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19):
Laughing your behinds on that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21):
That's right.
And I know, like me, people saywhen I laugh, I close my eyes
and I don't show my teeth.
I barely show my teeth anyway.
So, anyway, uh, but how was yourThanksgiving?

SPEAKER_06 (01:34):
Um, it was great.
We uh made the drive all the wayto Lil O, Kansas, Wichita.
And um the drive, we weresupposed to share the drive, but
on our way there, the weatherwas a lot of rain.
And so somebody manned the wheelthe whole time.

SPEAKER_03 (01:55):
I wasn't putting them on it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:57):
He didn't want to put us on it.
Um, and we probably would havegotten there slower because I
can tell you if I were driving,I would have not been driving as
fast as he was driving in therain.

SPEAKER_03 (02:07):
And we definitely would not have let them drive
like they drive in the rain.
In the rain.

SPEAKER_06 (02:12):
So, anywho, um the trip was about between 13 and 14
hour drive.
We did do the regular stops forgas and all the things.
Um so the I I was not thedriver, so I'll say the drive
was great.

SPEAKER_03 (02:29):
Yeah.
I can't say this.

SPEAKER_06 (02:31):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (02:32):
I know I'm getting older because the normal drive
would be, you know, you stopwhen you get to like a quarter
take or so.
My bladder was about to blowbefore I got to half a take.
And I was like, dang.
Yeah, but it could be thevitamins that I'm taking to, you
know.

SPEAKER_06 (02:50):
So well, I had to go, but I was waiting until he
had to go.
So I was just holding it until,so then when he said he had to
go, I go, ooh, thank goodness.

SPEAKER_03 (02:58):
So yeah, that's a sign I'm getting old.
Yeah.
I'm gonna start driving withthose the pins on.
Oh goodness.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (03:05):
So, anywho, the drive was great.
Um, we left in the wee hours ofthe morning on Monday, like 3
a.m.

SPEAKER_00 (03:11):
Three o'clock, yep.

SPEAKER_06 (03:12):
And then got there afternoon about four.

SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 (03:17):
Um, and so um that was good.
Um enjoy my mom and dad.
Um, my mom is a caretaker for mydad and my uncle Harry.
So um, so he Uncle Harry liveswith them.
And so they were all there.
And um we really just spent alot of time just with them.

(03:38):
Um, my mama likes to always havea day where she and I can go out
and do shopping and differentthings.
So we did get to get our time togo do that.
Um, so to for her to go buy somejeans and get some makeup.
So we went makeup shopping,jeans shopping.
Um, she and I did that.
And then the biggest part forher was taking her grandchildren

(04:02):
to her recreational activity.
They casino.
The casino.
So she was so excited to takethem there.
She gave them their money to toplay with.
And me personally, I do not likethe casino because I want to
spend my money on somethingtangible, not play it in

(04:25):
something that maybe I'll win,maybe I'll lose, and most often
lose.
So um, yeah.
But they wanted to go.
But the boys, yeah.
Yeah, so that was a good time.
Um, the boys said they don'tever need to go uh to gamble at
the casino another day in theirlife because they didn't win.
Also, it's because it's sosmall.

SPEAKER_03 (04:47):
Yeah, that wasn't a good first time again.

SPEAKER_06 (04:49):
No, it's not.
It was a small casino.
Filled with smoke.

SPEAKER_03 (04:55):
So it's not a good example.

SPEAKER_06 (04:56):
Everybody in there looks sad, down and out, like
they were losing using theirlast two dollars.

SPEAKER_03 (05:02):
Like you go to Vegas, you'll see people at the
casino, you know, dressed to thenines, about to go out, you
know.
They already had a coupledrinks, and you know, it's it's
a good, kind of nice atmosphere.
We got it.
There it was like it wasbasically like you see some
people going into Walmart, andthen all of a sudden, on aisle
five, they got a slot machine.

(05:23):
Yeah, that's exactly what itlooked like.

SPEAKER_06 (05:25):
It was, it was like that is true.
That's a great anal.
That's exactly description,that's exactly what it was.
It was the Walmart version of acasino.
Yeah, yeah.
Anywho, so we got to do that,and then of course we had
Thanksgiving dinner, um, whichwas very delicious.

(05:47):
Um, it turned out very, I mean,really good.
Um, my mom, we will say, and I'mnot talking about my mama, but
when I come or when we come,because she is the caretaker
24-7, it's like as soon as westep in that door, she like tag
y'all on.

(06:07):
And we don't mind because weknow that she does a lot to take
care of them every single day.
Um, she does have some help fromher sister, but she is does a
lot of the work.
And so um, yeah, so we we'rehappy to be able to come and
help her out some.
You just have to adjustyourself.

SPEAKER_03 (06:27):
You gotta know that going in.
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (06:30):
Uh-huh.
So you just have to justyourself to know that.
So, anywho, we had a great timewith them and got to see my
niece Piff, and she was cameover to visit, and so got to
love on her.

SPEAKER_03 (06:41):
And um who has yet to listen to an episode?

SPEAKER_06 (06:45):
I know, she's gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03 (06:45):
So by the time she gets to this one, she better
have like really caught up.

SPEAKER_06 (06:50):
Yeah, she watches the snippets that we posted um
on social media, but that's notit.
She's missing out on greatentertainment.
That's right.
Anyway, so that was great.
Our drive home was better thangoing because there was the
weather was perfect, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (07:06):
Perfect weather.

SPEAKER_06 (07:06):
So we had perfect weather coming back, and so we
made it.

SPEAKER_03 (07:10):
And no, it wasn't any major traffic.
Like it wasn't major traffic,you know.

SPEAKER_06 (07:14):
We know anyway, no, but but when we were going on
the opposite side, it was a bigtraffic jam.
But I did pray before we went.
I was like, Lord, smooth travelsback, no traffic jams, no
accidents.

SPEAKER_01 (07:31):
We could just real cool.

SPEAKER_06 (07:32):
And it was, it was just that for us.
So he opened up the highway forus.
Um, and so got back later uhFriday evening around 10:30.
And so Saturday and Sunday justto collect our minds and get
ready to start back for work.

SPEAKER_03 (07:50):
I was pushing it to make sure she got home before
midnight so that she could doher run.

SPEAKER_06 (07:56):
Because I couldn't do it before I left Wichita.

SPEAKER_03 (07:58):
Cinderella of running.
That's what it was.
Cinderella Peloton.

SPEAKER_06 (08:03):
Why?

SPEAKER_03 (08:03):
Because you know, Cinderella had to get back
before midnight.

SPEAKER_06 (08:07):
Midnight, yeah.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (08:08):
So I was like, let me hear her get her back.

SPEAKER_06 (08:09):
Yeah, because that would have like ruined my
streak.

SPEAKER_03 (08:11):
It would have ruined her streak.
So I was like making sure like Iwas trying not to stop, and then
when I had to stop, I stopped.
Hey, come on, guys, let's go,let's go to school.

SPEAKER_06 (08:18):
Yeah, you know, I did make it back to not to ruin
my streak because I couldn't runbefore I would left because they
don't have a treadmill, so itwas dark outside.
I I'm not doing the darkrunning.
And um, so anyways, made it intime, my streak.

SPEAKER_03 (08:33):
Especially not in Wichita, that's where the what's
his name?
B2K.

SPEAKER_06 (08:37):
He in jail.
Uh, but I'm saying was he uh BTXor B2K B2K.
He lived down the street fromme, y'all.
He was he was a serial killer,so he lived in the next uh pro
that is like five miles from uslive.
That's what I'm saying.
Five miles from me, B2K lived.

SPEAKER_03 (08:55):
Never knew so he is probably some descendant around
there that's crazy.
That is true or smidge lesscrazy, but still that's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 (09:05):
Anywho, so it was a great Thanksgiving time.
Um, and now we're back and readyto do three more weeks for
another break.

SPEAKER_03 (09:15):
That's right.

SPEAKER_06 (09:15):
Whoop, whoop.

SPEAKER_03 (09:16):
Plus it's really it's three weeks, but it's two
weeks because that last week istesting.

SPEAKER_06 (09:22):
Yeah, and it's half days.
Yeah.
So anywho.

SPEAKER_03 (09:26):
Well, for me, my week was was good.
Like, you know, it was filledwith the drive.
I did want them to drive on theway down there, but that rain
was and the roads were, youknow, nasty.
Um, and so I just weren't gonnaput it too.

SPEAKER_06 (09:40):
One person wasn't gonna be able to drive because
he didn't even sleep that night.
So he wasn't driving nowhere.

SPEAKER_03 (09:44):
That's what I was thinking, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 (09:45):
He wasn't driving me.

SPEAKER_03 (09:46):
And the other one don't listen.
He he groaned.
He already grown that he me.
And so I was like, and and Iknow if somebody do I'm a
professional driver.
I have a CDL endorsement on mylicense.
And she treated me like I'm afirst-time driver.
So I can imagine what she wouldhave been doing pressing the

(10:06):
imaginary passenger brakes onher side.
So I was like, I'm not trying tohear that.
We just need to get on there.

SPEAKER_00 (10:14):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (10:15):
Yeah, so but we got there and um, you know, I I uh I
missed the the old days when Iused to go to Kansas, I used to
go hunting all the time with PawPaw.
Uh, but you know, times havechanged, and his friend got rid
of his property.
And uh his friend had someproperty that we used to always
go bass fishing, and and you canjust in his yard, like really in

(10:38):
his backyard, you can see catchhuge 15-pound catfish, like for
real.
Like five, six-pound bass.
And um and deer and Canadiangeese fly over, mallards land in
his little pond lake.
I mean, um pond.

SPEAKER_06 (10:54):
We used to do doves too.
We used to I used to go dovehunting with him there too.

SPEAKER_03 (10:58):
And deer be right.
I mean, so it was we just fiveminutes from the house and we
would go there, but he got ridof the property.
So uh Yeah, they moved away.
Yeah, that kind of messed it up.
And so now no more hunting.
Um Creek just showed me that mybrother's name, somebody got a
deer.
It's good because it was threepeople out there.
Four, four men.
So that means well, dad probablydidn't hunt, it looked like he

(11:19):
had church clothes on.
So it was three guns and onedeer.
So that was good that I wasn'tthere because it would have been
more deer and still less men.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
So because they they rarely getone.
So I'm I'm glad they finallywere able to get something.

SPEAKER_06 (11:37):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 (11:38):
You know, so it's best that I'm not there all the
time.

SPEAKER_06 (11:40):
Yeah, that that is probably true.
Exactly.
It is.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (11:44):
I don't leave we always bring the meats home.
We like Arby.
We have meats.
And uh, but uh this week was wasuh was good to see family, but I
didn't rest, you know, becausewe was busy.
And so um I got one more week ofclasses left.

(12:05):
And this is where I got all thepapers uh and the um test.
One test is supposed to be Ithink we have a two or four hour
time limit.

SPEAKER_06 (12:15):
Woo, that's a it's a hundred questions.

SPEAKER_03 (12:19):
Is it the one teacher that's yeah, it's a
hundred questions.
Yes.
And then uh I have another uh myother class is just like regular
uh couple questions and then uhpaper.
So two papers, two finals withinthis next week.
So I'm gonna try to get onepaper done by Wednesday and one

(12:40):
paper done and the other one bySaturday, and then take the
finals maybe Saturday or Sunday.
I'll be fine.
And then I'm off until January.

SPEAKER_00 (12:49):
Woo!

SPEAKER_03 (12:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (12:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (12:50):
And I said what I'm gonna do in my time is practice
my DJ skills.

SPEAKER_06 (12:56):
All right, we'll take it.

SPEAKER_03 (12:57):
Yeah.
So that way when Christmascomes, I hopefully have a
playlist.

SPEAKER_06 (13:01):
Oh, to have here.

SPEAKER_03 (13:03):
Yeah, and we'll video it.

SPEAKER_06 (13:04):
And we won't have to hopefully we won't have to say,
kill the DJ.
Yeah, people say that.
Who says that?
Kill the DJ.
People say that.
I thought I saw like on a movieor something.

SPEAKER_03 (13:18):
Nah.
All right.
Well, no, hopefully y'all won'thave to say that, but uh, I'm re
I'm ready for that.
Um, I'm excited about it.
But uh I think that's it.
All right, yeah, okay.
So let's jump right into it.

SPEAKER_06 (13:34):
Um oh today Oh, one I have one question, then we can
move on.
It's about our Thanksgiving.
What was of the food we had,what was your favorite item that
we had?

SPEAKER_03 (13:50):
Oh man, like really, it was too much.
Like the mat was great.

SPEAKER_06 (13:56):
We made two Macs.

SPEAKER_03 (13:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (13:58):
Uh one lobster and one regular.

SPEAKER_03 (14:00):
Yeah.
Um the Costco turkey was betterthan I thought.
Costco has a smoked turkey.
Guys, get you one.

SPEAKER_06 (14:08):
I'm so glad we bought two, so now we have our
Christmas here, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (14:12):
Yeah.
But I took it's already smoked,and then what I did was I uh
poured melted butter over it andum seasoning on the top just so
we can have our own little extraflavor.
And oh my god, it was so juicy.
And then we cooked it, I thinkit was like they say 12 minutes
per pound.
So it's like a 12-pound turkey,something like that.

(14:34):
It was so, so tender and good,guys.
Um, but it was between theCostco turkey, the lobster mac.
Of course, my greens were good.
The dressing.
The greens are very good.

SPEAKER_06 (14:48):
Oh Lord, he's saying everything.
He's that's it was everything.

SPEAKER_03 (14:51):
I can't just choose.
Okay, if I have to choose one.

SPEAKER_00 (14:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (14:58):
It's gonna be the dressing.
Okay.
The dressing and cranberry.
So it's just it's just somethingabout the dressing because it's
savory, it's a little sweet, youknow.
I got my veggies in there, gotmy protein from the egg mix in
there.

SPEAKER_06 (15:12):
I didn't.

SPEAKER_03 (15:13):
Got my fruit from the cranberry.

SPEAKER_06 (15:14):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (15:16):
Fool me.
I got everything.
Got my grains.

SPEAKER_06 (15:18):
I think my favorite was the lobster mac.

SPEAKER_03 (15:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (15:21):
Because that's something that we don't normally
have.
It was seasoned really well, andit was extra cheesy.

SPEAKER_03 (15:27):
Well, the mac and cheese both don't worry.

SPEAKER_06 (15:29):
Yeah, they're so cheesy.
And then I feel like when youget lobster mac out, they try to
make it too fancy.

SPEAKER_03 (15:35):
And so to me, it was like it was subtle because
people would not have known, andthen they would have been like,
wait, there's somethingdifferent about this.

SPEAKER_06 (15:45):
Yeah.
I'd like to, like you said, nexttime we'll add double, double
the meat, yeah.
Anywho, but yeah, that was myfavorite.
All right, moving on.

unknown (15:52):
All right.

SPEAKER_03 (15:52):
Well, oh, yeah, can you say that?

SPEAKER_06 (15:53):
I said lobster mac.
Mm-hmm.
I love I loved everything, itwas delicious.
It was.
But lobster mac.
Oh, and that pumpkin cheesecakefrom um And I didn't like that.
Oh, I loved it.

SPEAKER_03 (16:04):
I like the pie, the cobbler pie, the berry pie with
the ice cream.

SPEAKER_06 (16:08):
Because you love a you love a berry cobbler.

SPEAKER_03 (16:10):
I love a cobbler.

SPEAKER_06 (16:11):
Yeah.
Anywho, I love that pumpkin pie.

SPEAKER_03 (16:13):
I did not like the pumpkin.

SPEAKER_06 (16:14):
But I don't think you like pumpkin like I like
pumpkin.

SPEAKER_03 (16:16):
I don't.

SPEAKER_06 (16:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (16:18):
The only thing I like about pumpkin is when we
carved them.
That was that one time.

SPEAKER_01 (16:26):
Well, man, she wouldn't like it.

SPEAKER_03 (16:28):
That's it.
And my friend Pumpkin fromcollege.

SPEAKER_00 (16:32):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (16:33):
She was cool.

SPEAKER_00 (16:34):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (16:34):
You met her little short when she was real cool.
She was one trying to take herwhole group that one time.

SPEAKER_04 (16:39):
Where y'all going?
Come on, you need to go with us,member.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (16:43):
Yeah, that's Pumpkin now.
Yeah.
Um, all right.
So let's get to it.
Um let's start with story of theweek.
And then we go to questions.

SPEAKER_06 (16:56):
Okay.
So the story of the week isBelieve His sister.

SPEAKER_03 (17:00):
Oh.
All right.
This is sponsored by ColeteJohnson.
Johnson.
Originally from Wichita.
So she's a Wichitidian too.

SPEAKER_00 (17:13):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (17:14):
And now she lives in the Metro Dallas.
So believe it, sister.

SPEAKER_06 (17:21):
All right.
Here is the Believe It Sisterstory.
A woman shared on Reddit thatshe was hosting Thanksgiving for
the first time in her new home.
Her sister had promised to helpwith cooking and setup.
But just days before the event,she told her she'd be
babysitting a friend's threeyoung children from early

(17:44):
morning until late at night.
The host said her house wassmall, her dog didn't do well
around kids, and she couldn'tsee how her sister could help
while also watching threechildren.
When she asked her to adjust theplan or come later, her sister
became upset and threatened notto come, saying she thinks the

(18:07):
host, her sister, doesn't wantthe kids there.
Now the host is worried that thedisagreement might cause family
drama before the holiday evenstarts.

SPEAKER_03 (18:18):
Okay, so summarize that.

SPEAKER_06 (18:20):
So in summary, sister already said, Yes, I'm
coming the day beforeThanksgiving to help you
prepare, prep, get the houseready for Thanksgiving.
Couple days before she'ssupposed to come help, she tells
her sister, Well, I'm coming,but I promised my friend I will
watch her three kids.
Um, so I'll have to bring themwith me.

(18:43):
Her sister said, Well, that'snot gonna work because I don't
have room in my house for threekids to be running around.
My dog doesn't do well withyoung kids, and so let's just
adjust it where we can start theprep later once your friend
comes to pick up her children.
And her sister got upset andsaid, You just don't want the
kids there.
And if this is how you're gonnaact, then I might not even just

(19:06):
come to Thanksgiving at all.

SPEAKER_03 (19:09):
They did that, didn't they?

SPEAKER_06 (19:11):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (19:12):
I don't believe it.
Believe it, sister.

SPEAKER_06 (19:16):
Believe it, sister.

SPEAKER_03 (19:17):
But um, okay I have my idea.
It's a few things, yeah.
Okay, does the sister, the othersister, not the babysitter, but
the the host, does she havekids?
Obviously not.
Does she like kids?
Um does she have room?

SPEAKER_06 (19:44):
No, she said she don't have room for those
children.

SPEAKER_03 (19:46):
But um really, I mean, does she have room?
Because if you don't have roomfor the children, then you don't
have room for the people that'scoming over.
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (19:53):
Maybe she means not the space for kids to run around
and play.

SPEAKER_03 (19:57):
Right, okay.
But see, but that's different.
I mean, even then, like, okay.
Okay.
We we are uh what they what theywhat do they call a two-child
household.
Okay, right?

SPEAKER_01 (20:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (20:16):
Now bringing our kids over to somebody's crib,
we're not expecting them to bedoing what?

SPEAKER_06 (20:25):
Run it around.

SPEAKER_03 (20:26):
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (20:27):
But we know there are other children.

SPEAKER_03 (20:31):
Who have you know, two plus or one kid.
We just know for people who kidswill be running around.
All over them.
Downtown, uptown, Jane Brown.
You know, but so you know, it'sjust so many other little
variables there.

SPEAKER_06 (20:49):
Um, I you know what I think.

SPEAKER_03 (20:57):
What you think?

SPEAKER_06 (20:59):
I believe the sister didn't really want to come over
and help.

SPEAKER_03 (21:02):
So she took that.

SPEAKER_06 (21:03):
All of a sudden, I got oh, I got three kids.

SPEAKER_03 (21:06):
Hey, we know people like that too.

SPEAKER_06 (21:07):
Okay, how how that?
All of a sudden, you watchingsomebody's kids, she already
knows how her sister probablyfeels about kids because it
sounds like she's a single ladywith a dog in a house.
She probably already knows.

SPEAKER_04 (21:20):
She says she had a dog?

SPEAKER_06 (21:21):
Yeah, she says her dog is not kid friendly.

SPEAKER_04 (21:24):
Oh, I didn't hear that point.

SPEAKER_06 (21:25):
Uh-huh.
So the lady has her the host,it's herself and her dog.
You already know that.
If you are coming over and yourplan is to help get things
ready, how can you do that withkids there?
And who would want to torturekids to sit on the sofa, watch

(21:48):
TV while we are doing all ofthese things?
Because for one, they are kids.

SPEAKER_03 (21:53):
Well, now they tablet kids, so they're not.

SPEAKER_06 (21:55):
Well, I would not leave my corner to the stitchy
thing.
But after so long, after solong, kids want something.
I mean, and it's like the wholelike this the plan was for them
to work the majority of the day.

SPEAKER_03 (22:11):
Okay, who who I don't think the sisters uh who
requested the sisters' servicesfirst?

SPEAKER_06 (22:19):
I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (22:20):
Friend or sister.

SPEAKER_06 (22:22):
Oh, well, I'm assuming the friend, because she
didn't tell her sister about ituntil two days before she was
supposed to come over to help.
She's like, oh yeah, by the way,now she's telling her telling
her sister that she's watchingthese kids.

SPEAKER_03 (22:36):
So she told her two days before.
But and this for Thanksgiving.
So that's the sister's fault.
Thanksgiving comes every year.
Right.
So usually ahead of time.
Oh, yeah, because the othersister could have been like, She
about that bull.
She always waits to the lastminute, and then it's always

(22:57):
something.

SPEAKER_06 (22:59):
Who did it?
Todd.

SPEAKER_03 (23:00):
It's a scheme that Todd set up to come tour with
the bulls.

SPEAKER_06 (23:07):
She knew what she was doing.

SPEAKER_00 (23:09):
She knew.

SPEAKER_06 (23:09):
So this, and so now she's acting all dramatic.
I'm just not coming.
If the kids can't come, and dada da da.
So now she done twisted it.
So now it's not about her.
Now the hope is wrong.

SPEAKER_03 (23:23):
Now the sister is and being empathetic enough to
know, hey, these kids, I havethese kids.
Yeah.
They need Thanksgiving too.

SPEAKER_06 (23:31):
And see, this is what the sister should do
because she's playing mindgames.
That's fine.
Bring the kids.
Mm-hmm.
Bring them on.
Come on.

SPEAKER_03 (23:38):
You know what?
We'll make it work.

SPEAKER_06 (23:39):
We'll make it work.
I will call her bluff.

SPEAKER_03 (23:42):
I'll give them something to do.

SPEAKER_06 (23:43):
I will call her bluff.

SPEAKER_03 (23:45):
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (23:45):
I'll call her bluff.
And then let's see.
I guarantee.

SPEAKER_03 (23:49):
But I don't even have the kids.

SPEAKER_06 (23:50):
That's what I'm saying.
I guarantee you, then the storywill change.
It's going to be somethingaltogether something different
because she's already trying toplay, run, run game on her
sister.
I'll call her bluff.

SPEAKER_03 (24:02):
Yeah, I definitely do.
That's no problem.

SPEAKER_06 (24:04):
Bring the kids over.
Because I'll just have somebodyelse watch the kids while we get
Thanksgiving.
I will get her.
But she didn't want to do thatin the first place.

SPEAKER_03 (24:12):
She didn't.
So I understand though whenit's, you know, last minute.
I I'm not a last minute kind ofperson.
But I am a person that will helpyou for, you know, in the last
minute because I'm a helpfulperson.
But resp like respect my time ordon't get upset if I'm unable to
help due to the fact that I mayhave something else to do.

SPEAKER_06 (24:34):
Because no is a complete sentence.

SPEAKER_03 (24:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (24:38):
And it is okay for you to say no.

SPEAKER_03 (24:40):
It really is.
It really is.

SPEAKER_06 (24:42):
Right?
I I just wouldn't do that.

SPEAKER_03 (24:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (24:45):
So I mean, um I wonder what happened in the end.
And then guess what?
If you get that upset because Iwon't let those little children
come over, um, and you notcoming to Thanksgiving because
of that.

SPEAKER_03 (25:01):
That's cool.

SPEAKER_06 (25:02):
Bye, Felicia.

SPEAKER_03 (25:03):
I wonder if those little kids were bad.

SPEAKER_06 (25:06):
I don't know.
It could have been.
They probably could have beenbad kids.
Yeah.
And so even thinking about that.
And maybe she got offendedbecause it's her friend's kids,
and I don't know, but if we'retrying to get the house in order
and cook and do things to getprepped for Thanksgiving.
Yeah, what's the age?
We don't have time.
She said young kids.

(25:28):
So when I think of young kids,I'm thinking they gotta be
elementary or younger.

SPEAKER_01 (25:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (25:33):
You know, they have to be somewhere in between that
age, not double digits, singledigits.

SPEAKER_03 (25:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (25:40):
Yeah.
So I'm sure her sister was like,I can't believe she did this.
Believe it, sister.

SPEAKER_03 (25:47):
But you know what?

SPEAKER_06 (25:49):
What?

SPEAKER_03 (25:50):
None of them had a man in their life.

SPEAKER_06 (25:53):
That's true.
She didn't say anything abouther husband helping.

SPEAKER_03 (25:56):
And she didn't say, Well, I can leave the boys with
Charles.

SPEAKER_06 (25:59):
She didn't say that either.
While I come over and help.

SPEAKER_03 (26:02):
Well, well, Randolph, he'll he'll he'll take
care of the kids while we allget in together.

SPEAKER_06 (26:07):
Oh, that's true.
Nobody said that.

SPEAKER_03 (26:09):
Nobody.

SPEAKER_06 (26:10):
So yeah, they don't have they don't.
But maybe they obviously don'thave kids of their own.
So they don't.
Because the sister didn't, andobviously she didn't, because
she didn't say she's bringingover her kids and her friends'
kids.
It's just her friend's kids.
So neither of them have kids.
No kids or men.
And that would make perfectsense why her sister would be

(26:31):
like, Where do these kids comefrom?

SPEAKER_05 (26:33):
We don't have children.

SPEAKER_03 (26:34):
No, we don't.
Or men.
What do men have to do with it?
That's why they bitter.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
That's why they bitter.

SPEAKER_06 (26:48):
Maybe they don't want a man.

SPEAKER_03 (26:49):
You ain't bitter.
At all.
Chow, child.
And your kids ain't eveneverybody loves your kids.

SPEAKER_06 (27:00):
Yeah.
Bring them on, bring them on.
Yeah.
Our kids were were prettyawesome.

SPEAKER_03 (27:06):
Because of the man.
All it just start with the man.

SPEAKER_06 (27:11):
So awesome dad leads to awesome kids.

SPEAKER_03 (27:14):
That's right.
Can't have no woe.
Without the man.
Then you got the woman.

unknown (27:21):
Huh?

SPEAKER_03 (27:21):
Don't you?
All together.
God have mercy.

SPEAKER_06 (27:24):
Oh my God.

SPEAKER_03 (27:25):
Hey, but that's that's a tough one.
But she was looking, she might,you might be right.
She was looking for a scapegoat.
I think she was asked to go.
She got the little, had threelittle scapegoats.

SPEAKER_06 (27:33):
Uh-huh.
She probably, her friend says,Oh, I can, I've got to work and
I and I don't have anybody towatch the kids.
She was like, I'll do it.
Yeah.
Now I'd have to go over and helpget ready for Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_03 (27:44):
Or she probably said, Look, girl, go ahead and
do that thing.
I'll take care of the kids foryou.

SPEAKER_01 (27:49):
Look, you know what?

SPEAKER_03 (27:50):
You need to enjoy yourself.
You ain't been nowhere.
This whole break, this whole uhThanksgiving November.
Go go somewhere.
I got them.

SPEAKER_06 (27:58):
So she was helping her friend and helping herself
at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 (28:02):
That's right.

SPEAKER_06 (28:02):
That was all her mastermind.
Manipulation.

SPEAKER_03 (28:07):
Now the friend got a man, because that's probably
what she was.

SPEAKER_06 (28:10):
Yeah.
And now she don't have a gotissues now with her sister.

SPEAKER_03 (28:14):
Yep.
And no Thanksgiving dinner.

SPEAKER_06 (28:16):
Nope.
No Thanksgiving dinner.

SPEAKER_03 (28:17):
Mm-mm-mm.

unknown (28:19):
Few.

SPEAKER_03 (28:19):
Go to Costco, get the ready-maids.

SPEAKER_06 (28:21):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (28:22):
Ready-made.

SPEAKER_06 (28:24):
I did see this man on TikTok.
Now, the ready-made, they hadthe turkey breast, the mashed
potatoes and the green beans,they said it had zero flavor.
It was a whole like Yeah, it's awhole little meal kit.
Oh, whole meal.
And it had a turkey breast,mashed potatoes, and uh green
beans.
And uh he warmed it all up theway that it says.

SPEAKER_03 (28:43):
But he didn't season it at all.

SPEAKER_06 (28:44):
He he fixed it just the way they said it.

SPEAKER_03 (28:46):
Oh.

SPEAKER_06 (28:47):
And he said, you got that.
So they ended up adding baconand stuff to the green beans.
And they added some other stuffto the mashed potatoes to kind
of help it to jazz it up totaste better.
So, anyways.

SPEAKER_03 (29:00):
It was a black man or white man?

SPEAKER_06 (29:02):
Black.

SPEAKER_03 (29:03):
Oh.
But somebody else probably wouldsay, Oh, this is perfect.

SPEAKER_01 (29:07):
It's delish.

SPEAKER_03 (29:08):
They probably would have loved it.
Hey, I'm just saying.
So good.

SPEAKER_06 (29:14):
Who made the cream beans?

SPEAKER_03 (29:16):
Yeah.
They left it just like that.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (29:19):
He said, Yeah, needed something with it.

SPEAKER_03 (29:22):
So, okay.
So old sister girl lost a sisterand her, well, just a sister and
a dinner in the process.

SPEAKER_06 (29:28):
In the whole process.
So and maybe not.
If she was master ofmanipulation, she probably did
all that that day, and then thenext day had her plan for what
the next would be, so she couldindeed have Thanksgiving dinner.

SPEAKER_03 (29:42):
Is there a person in our family, yours or mine, that
if they were cooking the entiredinner that you would find some
kids to watch.
So that you wouldn't have to uhnot necessarily say set up, but

(30:04):
eat the dinner.

SPEAKER_06 (30:06):
Eat the dinner?

SPEAKER_03 (30:08):
There isn't.
I I know it is.
I'll be fine with some kids.

SPEAKER_06 (30:12):
And our family on my side.
Well, it might so sorry to thiswoman.
It might be my mama because shedoesn't like to cook.
And so when you cookThanksgiving, it's supposed to
be cooked with a lot of love, alot of homemade.
Cause she even said, I don'tknow what we're gonna do at

(30:34):
Christmas because y'all notgonna be here.
I guess I'll just get stovetopstuffing.

SPEAKER_05 (30:38):
Stovetop stuffing for dressing?

SPEAKER_06 (30:43):
So that might be the word I'd be like, uh-uh.
She might pull out some cannedgreen beans.

SPEAKER_03 (30:50):
Um canned greens.

SPEAKER_06 (30:53):
Yeah, she even got can canned greens.
Child, no.

SPEAKER_04 (30:59):
That's some travesty.

SPEAKER_06 (31:00):
Travesty.
Because they're just her thing.
She's always been a veryconvenient fast cook.
She don't like to be in thekitchen because she don't know
how to do the homemade stuff.
Now, the homemade stuff, thatwas all my daddy.
He making everything fromscratch.
So now he can is not as mobileto do all those things.
So I think that if the wholemenu was on LMA, um, I think I

(31:26):
might find some children.
That's true.
Sorry, mama.
Who's yours?
I'm not saying who it is.

SPEAKER_05 (31:37):
Oh why he had me say the name.
He said it like he said it likewe were supposed to say it.

SPEAKER_03 (31:44):
No, I did not.
I just said yours or mine.

SPEAKER_06 (31:48):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 (31:49):
And I know it's a it's a person, and uh they had
to cook.

SPEAKER_06 (31:52):
I feel bamboozled.

SPEAKER_03 (31:54):
The whole thing, I ought to be like, nah.

SPEAKER_06 (31:56):
I feel bamboozled.

SPEAKER_03 (31:58):
I'm good.

SPEAKER_06 (31:59):
I feel bamboozled.
Nah, you be alright.

SPEAKER_03 (32:07):
Use a total yourself, huh?

SPEAKER_06 (32:09):
Oh, Lord.
Take this out.

SPEAKER_03 (32:12):
Queen of putting their foot in the mouth.
Put like this way we can getyour mom to listen to the
episode.
Oh, my God.
So we know she ain't listen tothe whole episode.

SPEAKER_06 (32:21):
Yeah, I know she.
I'm all of them act like, how inthe how you get to the podcast.
The podcast.

SPEAKER_03 (32:28):
But they'll say everything.
I see you seen that such andsuch.
I found it on the but they can'tfind the podcast.

SPEAKER_06 (32:34):
They can't.

SPEAKER_03 (32:35):
Be your own people.

SPEAKER_06 (32:36):
Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_03 (32:37):
Be your own people.
Keep you when you're down.
Keep you when you're down.

SPEAKER_06 (32:40):
All right, let's get to uh Oh, let's start to start
with the holiday chat.
Let's do a game um playful gameof this and that, and it's gonna
lead to holiday discussion.

SPEAKER_03 (32:52):
Because now what you can officially play Christmas
music.

SPEAKER_05 (32:58):
Cause it's Christmas time.

SPEAKER_03 (33:01):
For all you pre-Christmaladers.
You know, put that withsomething else.
Celebrating Christmas too soon,wanting Christmas to come too
soon, you pre-Christmas.

SPEAKER_06 (33:16):
I was so proud of I was so proud of this one house.
I don't know if you saw it onour way home.
They just had their blow-upturkey out.
They didn't have any Christmasstuff, and I'll bet you they
said once the weekend passes,then we'll get Christmas out.

SPEAKER_03 (33:31):
Yeah, now you can play.
Like, what's that?

SPEAKER_06 (33:34):
It's two.

SPEAKER_03 (33:36):
Now you can play uh old girl, Mariah Carey.
And what do that's my favorite?
What do the lonely do atChristmas?

SPEAKER_01 (33:44):
What 'tis the season to be jolly.
But how can I be when I have nobody?

SPEAKER_03 (33:56):
That's the jam.

SPEAKER_01 (33:58):
All right.
So this and that.
What do the lonely do atChristmas?
Whoa.
What do they do?
What do they do at Christmastime?

SPEAKER_03 (34:13):
Okay.
My bad.
That's my jam.

SPEAKER_06 (34:15):
All right.
This or that.
Real tree or artificial tree.

SPEAKER_03 (34:20):
Real.
Real.
Don't bring that artificial messup in here.
The only thing artificial bettercome up in here better be a
weave.
Or a nail.
Or nail.

SPEAKER_06 (34:30):
It's actually real though.

SPEAKER_03 (34:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (34:32):
They just got acrylic on it.

SPEAKER_03 (34:33):
Yeah.
Oh, Cinnabon over there, pootin.

SPEAKER_06 (34:36):
Oh, stinking boot as hell, so.
Okay.
So it doesn't matter to me, butI'm in a real, I I grew up in an
artificial tree family.
Um, but now I am in a real treefamily.

SPEAKER_03 (34:51):
Real tree family.
We real over here.

SPEAKER_06 (34:53):
All right.
Matching pajamas or everybodydoes their own thing.

SPEAKER_03 (34:59):
Everybody does their own thing.

SPEAKER_06 (35:02):
Well, I don't really care either way, but our
pictures that we took that timematch pajamas was really cute.
I thought it was super cute.
Anyways, cook at home or orderin.

SPEAKER_03 (35:17):
Cook at home.

SPEAKER_06 (35:18):
Cook at home.
Yeah, for the holidays.

SPEAKER_03 (35:20):
But like we said, if we could have someone, you know,
set it all up and all thatstuff, I would, you know, I
think that would be likeordering, you know, somebody
come and cook.
That way we're just there.

SPEAKER_06 (35:32):
Here's my idea, guys.
This is what I said.
You know, you spend so muchmoney, like buying all the
groceries, all the ingredientsfor things that you cook really
just during the holidays.
So if you have family that'scoming, let's say right now, as
much as groceries are, you'regonna spend like at least 200
Christmas dinner at least ormore.

(35:52):
If everybody did who who coming?
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 (35:56):
Shoot, we spend 200 getting stuff for up.

SPEAKER_06 (35:59):
I know that's what I'm saying.
I said, so at least, I said, atleast at least.
I said at least$200.
So let's just say every familyum thought about that and took
that money, and then you wereable to hire um um caterer, a
caterer to come in and set itup, do all the cooking,

(36:20):
everybody put their money tothat.
So then you could just show upwith delicious food ready for
you, already set up.
Like that is really my idea.
And I really, really want totalk our family into doing that.
So the people could just show upand not feel stressed about
cooking.
Everybody can show up and maybebe that dinner where everybody
dressed nice and you can dressup and just you know, something

(36:44):
like that.
I think that's a great idea.
I mean, I think it's worth it.
And as far as like the thecleaning up, because they're
gonna have to come take downtheir own stuff, take it with
them.

SPEAKER_03 (36:53):
They may use your oven and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_06 (36:55):
But yeah, I just think that'd be a great idea.
All right, what about holidaymovies or holiday music?
You already said your favoritesong.
Which one?
Holiday movies.

SPEAKER_03 (37:04):
Music.

SPEAKER_06 (37:04):
Music.

SPEAKER_03 (37:05):
Yeah, you know, I'm a music.
We I listen to music every day.
All the pretty much all day.

SPEAKER_06 (37:10):
Okay, last one.
Big family gathering or smallcozy celebration?

SPEAKER_03 (37:17):
Um, both.

SPEAKER_06 (37:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (37:20):
Like there's a time for the big family gathering,
and then you gotta have yoursmall family celebration.

SPEAKER_06 (37:26):
Yeah.
I just don't, I I don't like umif I have to host it every year.

SPEAKER_00 (37:33):
Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_06 (37:34):
No.
Um I I I feel like if if yourfamily likes big um family
gatherings, then we need toshare the love.

SPEAKER_00 (37:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (37:44):
Like that needs to be, we share hosting.
So for instance, um, here in atum in where we live now, all the
brothers keys, all of hisbrothers live here.
So I feel like if that's whateverybody wants to do, then we
share it.
One year we do it, then nextyear somebody else takes it,
next year somebody else takesit, next year somebody takes it,
and then rotates back through.

(38:04):
So that way it doesn't feel sooverwhelming because hosting is
a lot.
So that's why I say I'd ratherdo be if I have to be the host,
big next year, small.
Big, small, big, small.
I'd rather do it that way if Ihad to be the host of it.

SPEAKER_03 (38:22):
But just even participating, though.
Yeah, like even just going.
Like, uh, you know, I still saylike you have a dinner with
everyone, yeah, but thensomething should be small and
intimate for your family.

SPEAKER_06 (38:38):
That's true.

SPEAKER_03 (38:39):
You know, whether it's the that's why I like the,
you know, how we do thebeautiful Christmas breakfast by
ourselves.

SPEAKER_06 (38:44):
Yeah, we do that.

SPEAKER_03 (38:45):
Um we do uh but when we are hosting, you know, it
sometimes if everybody's stayingover, the the crisp the
breakfast turn into somethingbig because 15 people.
But um but um I think, you know,it's important to have something
intimate with your family duringthe holidays because when those

(39:09):
moments are not, you kind ofdon't want those memories to be
cluttered with everyone else.

SPEAKER_00 (39:16):
You understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 (39:18):
And so I just I do like it when we we do have our
small, like our brunches that wedo for our holiday brunch that
we try to find somewhere for thejust us.

SPEAKER_06 (39:27):
Yeah, our dinner.
Because we've done the dinner,not a brunch.

SPEAKER_03 (39:31):
Well, remember when we used to go to Midtown, one
midtown.

SPEAKER_06 (39:34):
Oh, we yeah, we did do that, but then we but we have
but we switched it.
But we swapped it.
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (39:39):
And the only reason why we swapped it was because we
couldn't find a good brunchanymore.

SPEAKER_06 (39:42):
Yeah.
Well, I mean, there I thinkthere is a good brunch, but we
liked the having Santa.
I think because it c for me, Ienjoyed that every we used to go
to Midtown One Kitchen for umbreakfast with Santa, and Santa
knew the boys.
So as each year as they grew, hewas like, There go my twins.
They're so big.

(40:02):
They're so big, and Santa willremember them, and then after
COVID, it's not open anymore andthey don't have it.
And so to me, I mean, we coulddo somewhere new, but it takes
away all of the nostalgia or thefeel that we had with one
midtown in the Santa that knewthe boys as they grew up.

(40:23):
Um, because we went all the waythrough middle school um for
them that they got to havebreakfast with Santa.
So, anyways, so that to me.
So now we do a dinner.
So we tried to find a placethat's either dinner time, we
ate that time.

unknown (40:37):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 (40:38):
We did the steak dinner and we did we was at the
the Select, right?
What was that we went last year?
Oh, that was brunch.
Yeah.
You're right.
So it you're right.
It it's not necessarily brunch,but it's just some kind of
family uh meal.
Yeah, we did do the select lastyear.
But I tried to find somethingthat was Christmas themed.

SPEAKER_00 (40:59):
Yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (41:00):
Um, so either they're somewhere nearby so we
can do pictures and it'sChristmas like.
So we did the select.

SPEAKER_03 (41:07):
The state was when we went to remember, was that
no, that was just uh celebratingsomebody's finishing around.

SPEAKER_06 (41:14):
But it turned to the Christmas thing because they had
the treat thing, yeah.
So we did it that way.

SPEAKER_03 (41:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (41:20):
Um, so we tried to find something that's just our
um family holiday dinner that'sjust the four of us to
celebrate.
So I have not decided.
I've been looking, but I need tohurry up and figure it out
because they're gonna be, theylook so fast.
The places that are decorated.
And now what I've noticed now issome of the places are
decorated, but it's just not agood restaurant.

SPEAKER_00 (41:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (41:43):
So I was trying to find something that is like
still close to something outsidethat's pretty that we can do.

SPEAKER_03 (41:50):
What's the restaurant we went to?
And they have one in Alphoretta.
Uh we went to we went torecently.

SPEAKER_05 (41:59):
Seafood?

SPEAKER_03 (42:00):
Uh no, I don't know.
I think about it.
But they got one in Alphoretta.

SPEAKER_06 (42:04):
We went to one Oh, Del Bar.

SPEAKER_03 (42:06):
Yeah, Del Bar.
They say they say it's decoratedvery nice.
Oh, maybe we'll do that.
Maybe check it out, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (42:12):
But we already ate there together.
I'd like to try somewhere new.
Anywho, we'll figure it out.
But we need um I thought maybede Cab might have something.
Oh and then also downtownRoswell.

SPEAKER_03 (42:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (42:25):
So either who, anyway, we'll find that place so
we can have our special umfamily like little.

SPEAKER_03 (42:32):
So if you're out there and you actually listen
and you know, shoot us a uh textor comment.
All right.

SPEAKER_06 (42:39):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (42:40):
Yeah.
Um, what else?

SPEAKER_06 (42:42):
All right.
All right, so thinking about theholidays and family and all of
the things.
Um how has the meaning of theholidays changed for you over
time?
Thinking from now as a child tonow as an adult, how has the

(43:04):
meaning of holidays changed foryou?

SPEAKER_03 (43:07):
Um the obvious, of course, is from more so
receiving to giving.
Um the it was fun as a kid, youknow, a lot of fun.
Christmas time was.
Um it was just, you know, a lotof just uh back in the day we

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used to get the JC Pennycatalog, and you would circle
stuff.
And because, you know, you knewyour parents would, but you
would circle your wish list.

SPEAKER_01 (43:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (43:37):
Stuff would be$400 keyboard, you know.
You circle, knowing you and notgetting no$400 keyboard.
And you circle all thosedifferent things and just
looking at the uh different uhJC Penny catalogs, serious
catalogs and stuff, becauseeverybody's having on their
countertop, not countertop, whatthey call it a coffee table.
Um you know, trying to figureout what you were going to get

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and stuff like that.
Uh just the excitement is stillthere for me.
Um as an adult, it's uh eveneven though like I'm not, you
know, I don't need nothing,anything, I guess you should
say.
Um, you know, picking for theboys, like it was it was so much
fun when we were doing thisearly morning, going to get the,

(44:20):
you know, finding somebody towatch the boys while we were
going.

SPEAKER_06 (44:23):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (44:23):
And grab stuff and hiding stuff and, you know, all
picking up stuff from the fromTours of Us and things like
that.
That was super fun.
And then now as everybody's uhyou know in adult phase, we
still do the surprising thing.
Um it still has the same uh I'mnot gonna say excitement, but

(44:45):
the same joy.
You know what I mean?
The same joy.
Uh but I mean, you know, for meit was it was cool.
I got uh some great memoriesfrom Christmas, you know.
Some great memories.
I remember putting up lights.
Remember my daddy karate choppedme in the neck because I was

(45:06):
putting the lights up.
He we we got the lights, and youknow how you plug the lights in
and make sure they all working.

SPEAKER_00 (45:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (45:13):
And I was already like, let's do the lights.
But my dad, you know how mydaddy is.

SPEAKER_00 (45:18):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (45:18):
We're gonna do it at four o'clock.

SPEAKER_00 (45:20):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 (45:20):
Now it's 10.

SPEAKER_00 (45:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (45:21):
I'm tired.
Everybody ready to go to bed,you know?
Yeah.
Let's get these lights so we putthe tree up.
Like, shh.
So we trying to put, I'm tired,you know, ready to go to bed.
And I'm putting it, I'm, I'mlike freaking 11th grade.
Okay.
You know?
And so I'm putting the light,he's dropped, you know.
Oh, you better butt them lights.
I was like, so then I put themdown real slowly like that.

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And I he was like standing over,he said, chopped me in the man
hit me so hard.

SPEAKER_01 (45:53):
I was like, oh no, I was trying to put him on.

SPEAKER_03 (45:55):
You trying to be an ass.
And then he said, You're beingan ass about it, something like
that.

SPEAKER_04 (45:59):
He said, I was like, no, I wasn't.
You'll be facetious.

SPEAKER_03 (46:02):
Yeah, I was just crying in lemon grade.
That's my last whooping too Ithink that he got the belt.

SPEAKER_06 (46:08):
Your karate child?

SPEAKER_03 (46:09):
Yeah, no, he got it, he got the couple.

SPEAKER_06 (46:10):
Oh, you gotta whoop it after the karate child?

SPEAKER_03 (46:12):
I said something else.
Kind of smart.

SPEAKER_06 (46:14):
Uh uh.

SPEAKER_03 (46:15):
And then he whipped that whoop real quick.
And he put them lights up byhimself, and I was done.
I went in that back room,crying.

SPEAKER_06 (46:23):
I know you cussed them out, didn't you?

SPEAKER_03 (46:24):
Oh, yeah, I cussed it.
I said my favorite, my favoriteline.
Oh, god dang.
You know.
So that was my favorite.
It was god dang MF uh doo-doobooty trick.
That was my, so say it realfast.

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That's why I used to say everytime they used to leave the
house.
And so I said that about them.
And uh I was mad.
And so, yeah, that that was someamazing times in Christmas.
You know, got karate chopped inthe neck, trying to put the
lights down.
But other than that, that's it.
What about you?

SPEAKER_06 (47:03):
I think the meaning for Christmas for me has always
been the same.
My mama is a big holiday person.
So um, everything she tries tomake special.
So Christmas is the same.
They did the whole thing of ofSanta bringing the gifts and all
the things.
And um, I think for me, when Iknew Santa, my understanding of

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Santa not being real anymore.
Plus, I had a brother who wassix years older, so he didn't
care, like, really spoiling foryou, but I still tried to like
be in the belief.
Keep hope alive.
Yeah.
But the when I knew thatChristmas was not real is um
when Ewok were from Star Wars, Ireally wanted the stuff, you
know, the stuffed Ewok.

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And I knew that I was great.
I was on the good list, and itdid, and I didn't get it.
And I was like, Santa ain'treal.
Because I didn't get no Ewok.
They were like, and my mom andwould wait, I think.
I don't know what they did,because even one year I wanted
the cabbage patch, and I endedup getting uh, you know, they
had the knockoff cabbagepatches, and I was really

(48:12):
disappointed by that, but I tookthe old knock out.

SPEAKER_04 (48:14):
A green patch.

SPEAKER_06 (48:16):
I don't know what she was, but she was not cute,
she was not a cabbage patch.
Eventually I did get aeventually I did get a cabbage
patch.
I don't know, maybe my it mighthave been out of their budget.
I don't know, maybe the ewok wasout of their budget.
It was.
Um, so anywho, that um that'swhen I said Santa is not real
because I have been the best.
And I did not get that ewok.

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Um, and so we did the same forthe boys, where we, I don't know
if the boys did steal or not,but they sure put on like they
did in middle school.
And so their dad was like, theseboys cannot go into middle
school thinking it's a Santa.
They're gonna make fools ofthemselves.
People think they can't do it.

SPEAKER_03 (48:55):
Right, because I taught middle school for several
years, and you know, everybodyknows middle school is brutal.
That's why I had most of that'syou know, my trauma trauma is in
middle school.

SPEAKER_06 (49:04):
Yeah, so he was like, they cannot go into middle
school, thinking Santa is real.

SPEAKER_03 (49:08):
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (49:08):
Uh, but we try to do a real good job of making a
watch.
Of making it, you know, Santareal and all the things.

SPEAKER_03 (49:15):
So um And we we used to uh we used to have you know
Kirk Nell with help, because Ithe same thing I did with them,
you know, with Sponky Now, Iwould throw stuff on the roof.
And then Kirk, oh, that's that'sum the reindeer's trying to
land.
We gotta hurry up.
And so it Kirk Nell would kindof do the same.
I think one when we were in thehouse, I think that the house

(49:37):
Kirk had Oh the other, theoldest.
Uh-oh, uh oh, y'all gotta go tobed and they ran.

SPEAKER_06 (49:45):
And I think I remember I could have totally
making this up, but I'm notsure.
Because the boys, were theyconcerned about when we were in
the apartment how Santa wasgonna uh find them?
You knew how he was gonna get tothem.

SPEAKER_03 (49:56):
We told him he got it, he got an address book.
Everybody updates theiraddresses.

SPEAKER_06 (50:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (50:00):
So it doesn't matter if the if there's no real
chimney because he can't fitdown the chimney, it's magic.

SPEAKER_06 (50:06):
It's like, oh yeah.
Uh-huh.
So we've tried to keep thatgoing for them and um over time.
So, anywho, um, we try to, Ithink the same values and the
way our parents make theChristmas special, we've tried
to keep the same thing going forour boys.
So we kind of keep that same umtradition.

SPEAKER_03 (50:29):
I remember another whooping I got on Christmas.

SPEAKER_06 (50:31):
Uh-oh.
Oh, I think I remember this onewhen your Kurtz got, yes.

SPEAKER_03 (50:35):
He got me, made me get a whooping.
Uh-huh.
So, you know, we've always likeI was super excited during
Christmas.
And I was the scapegoat.
Because we, you know, we had toshare a room at one point.
And so he'd be like, hey, Ithink we can go open our gifts.
So we would go back there and Iwould say, can we open our
gifts?
No, go back to bed.
So I'd go back to bed.
And then Kurt wake me up again.

(50:56):
They say open our gifts.
So I can we go open our gifts,get your butt back.
You come back in here one moretime, you're gonna whoop your
behind.
I'm like, dang.
So then I went, but Kurt woke meup again.
I said, can we, before I couldget open our gifts, they was in
the room.
You know what the room that wesleep in?
Yes.
That's what that was this way.
That's where they were, okay.

(51:17):
So I go out and I walk like I'mgoing towards the hallway.
Uh-huh.
And we used to have like alittle thing that closed the
hallway up.
And so I was getting ready tosay, can we?
And before I I felt somethinghit me in the back because they
came out of that room.

SPEAKER_00 (51:30):
Pye out, oh!

SPEAKER_03 (51:32):
I said, whoops, get your butt back in that room.
They whooped me with that belt.
And I went in that room.
Kurt was laughing.
I laid down and went to sleep.
It was like eight o'clock.
And normally we up at six.
It was eight o'clock.
You ain't gonna come in.
Nope.
I ain't coming in there.
And so I finally went in atprobably like 8:39 o'clock to go

(51:55):
open my gifts.
He was already in his clothesand everything.
I was like, nope.
The things we do.

SPEAKER_00 (52:04):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (52:06):
For the manger.

SPEAKER_06 (52:08):
For the manger?

SPEAKER_03 (52:09):
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (52:10):
Lord.

SPEAKER_03 (52:11):
For the manger.

SPEAKER_06 (52:12):
All right.
What's one tradition you hope topass on to the next generation?
So thinking about the boys, whatdo you hope that they do?

SPEAKER_03 (52:21):
Um, I hope that if if they have kids, that they
make it they they keep the uhimagination alive.
You know what I mean?
Um that they keep it aboutfamily.
Um try to find things, you know,um that they can do to make it

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exciting.
Um continue to understand thatfamily un the family g uh
gatherings is important still,even though, you know, you don't
always get the um you don'talways get everyone else trying
to to to bring them together.

(53:07):
Not saying they don't want to,but the work behind it is tough.
Yeah, yes.
You know, but that it isimportant, you know, even if
it's just for a minute.
Um I hope that they keep thattradition of understanding that
family gatherings are are uhimportant.
But I I would definitely say themain thing is the fun in the
Santa Claus myth.

(53:29):
I think that's that's huge tome.
Because like you say, if they dohave kids and if I'm around to
see them, I know I'm gonna playmy part.
I know.
And you notice I know I'ma playmy part.
I'm gonna find somebody to be aSanta Claus.
Uh oh, nah, you ain't gonna sayit.

(53:50):
I'm gonna say somebody to playSanta Claus, but it might offend
them.
Um but anyway, let's moveforward.

SPEAKER_06 (53:59):
And I'm well, you know, all the things you said,
but I'm really excited to seebecause um, as everybody knows,
Keemani loves to cook.
Like he enjoys cooking.
So I just know that if he hostsuh a holiday dinner, it's gonna
be something.

(54:20):
He's gonna be so stressed.
It's gonna be something.
I mean, he's gonna plan thatthing weeks in advance, but it's
gonna be just amazing.

SPEAKER_03 (54:28):
He's gonna be so stressed.

SPEAKER_06 (54:30):
Yeah, he is gonna be, but he's gonna enjoy every
part of it.

SPEAKER_03 (54:32):
So um, I'm excited to just see how he's gonna you
ain't gonna be able to reach himafter for the next two days.
He's gonna be knocked out.

SPEAKER_06 (54:39):
So I'm excited to see how he hosts and how he
allows other people tocontribute.

SPEAKER_03 (54:44):
What about that other one over there?
How Kahari's gonna host when hehas his own place.

SPEAKER_06 (54:51):
No, I think if Kahari hosts holidays, Kahari's
gonna make us eat, you gonnamake us eat hot dog?
No, no, I think he's gonna havea lady that's gonna do it all.
Yeah, that's yeah, yeah, Ma.

SPEAKER_03 (55:02):
Yeah, she did.

SPEAKER_06 (55:03):
Yeah, she's she's been in there cooking for days.

SPEAKER_03 (55:06):
I said, here, shoot, here's the debit.
Go get it.

SPEAKER_06 (55:10):
You know, I don't know all that.
Uh he'll he'll make he'll findone thing so he can at least say
he did one thing.

SPEAKER_03 (55:16):
He made a sweet potato pie.

SPEAKER_06 (55:17):
Yeah, that's what he'll say.
And them mashed potatoes, y'alllike them.
So yeah.
So, anywho, I'm looking forwardto seeing how they host and all
the things.
Um, so last one.

SPEAKER_00 (55:32):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (55:32):
If each family member, let's just do our
family.

SPEAKER_00 (55:36):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (55:36):
If each family member were a holiday character,
who would you, what would youlabel each person?
If you're thinking of holidaycharacters.

SPEAKER_03 (55:47):
I don't even know no holiday characters.

SPEAKER_06 (55:48):
You don't even know what holiday characters are.

SPEAKER_01 (55:50):
Like Santa Claus and Rudolph?
Movie characters.
What are some hot the Grinch?

SPEAKER_03 (56:02):
I don't I can't think of any holiday.

SPEAKER_06 (56:06):
I was thinking, I was thinking of that.
Um I don't y'all know I'm aTikTok junkie, but that one
little girl that was dressed inher regular clothes, and her mom
said, Look at my daughter, whyshe dressed like Faith um from
um because I consider that SoulFood.
That sounds like a holidaymovie.
It maybe isn't maybe things likethat.
Um but her daughter was dressedand she looked just like Faith

(56:28):
from uh from um Soul Food, andshe said, Why you steal your
cousin's man like that?

SPEAKER_05 (56:34):
And her daughter was like, What are you talking
about?
I don't even know.
Well, who's Faith?

SPEAKER_03 (56:41):
Let's see.

SPEAKER_05 (56:41):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (56:42):
I mean, like, I don't know any, I'm gonna just
cause all I watch is cartoons.
Okay, you know, um so let's see.
Uh as far as Kimani would bethat narrator from where?
For Frosty.

SPEAKER_06 (57:02):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (57:03):
Yeah, he would be the narrator.

SPEAKER_06 (57:04):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 (57:05):
Uh the man that wear the little hat and moved, you
know.

SPEAKER_06 (57:09):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 (57:10):
This is what happened.
Yeah, that's what Kimani wouldbe, the narrator.
Just because he, I think becausehe had like a little vest on and
little clothes.

SPEAKER_06 (57:16):
Uh-huh.
He loves a good thing.
Dress up during the holiday,yeah.
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 (57:21):
Um.
Or he used to.
Yeah.
Um, let's see.
Um, Kahari would be Rudolph.

SPEAKER_06 (57:32):
Why do you say him?

SPEAKER_01 (57:34):
Because uh when like when she uh when old girl told
him he cute, I'm cute, I'm cute,he thinks I'm cute.

SPEAKER_03 (57:48):
I think that's what he would, you know, be that
because he would be like, oh,you see, you see.
You know, he liked to get thelittle compliments.
Yeah, he liked to get thecompliments.
Um I think you would be um youwould probably be um the girl

(58:12):
from Elf.
The girl that was singing.

SPEAKER_06 (58:16):
Oh, that worked at the store?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (58:17):
That's who you would be just because, you know, you
sing and you try to um, youknow, you worked at a store.

SPEAKER_06 (58:25):
I did.
I worked at.

SPEAKER_03 (58:26):
Did she do she do like I don't know?

SPEAKER_06 (58:28):
I worked at Lancombe, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (58:30):
I think she and so, and I who would you be?
Would be the younger me would beum uh what's his name, Kevin
from Home Alone.

SPEAKER_06 (58:41):
Oh, yeah, yes that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (58:43):
No, because I would be You're very crafty, yeah, and
and probably would get introuble unintentionally, get
left, something like that.
Then I'd be like, oh well, I'mgonna make it work.
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 (58:54):
I can see that.
I can see that.

SPEAKER_03 (58:55):
So that's what I would be.

SPEAKER_06 (58:56):
Good job, Junior.
You did a good job on thatquestion.

SPEAKER_03 (58:59):
What about you?

SPEAKER_06 (59:00):
I don't know, but you did great on that question.
You did great.

SPEAKER_03 (59:03):
Move on then.

SPEAKER_06 (59:04):
All right, all right.
Um, do you want one morequestion?
Are you ready to close it out?

SPEAKER_03 (59:08):
We could do one more question, then we'll close it
out.

SPEAKER_06 (59:11):
Okay.
What's one thing your family orour family does better than
most?

SPEAKER_03 (59:21):
Um.
I think we are we are veryrespectful for each other's
emotions.
You know, I I think that um evenwhen it's about me, me, me,

(59:45):
we're s in the process of ofkind of getting what we want,
we're still looking and youknow, checking to see if it's
offending somebody.
And then when it is, we kind ofknow when to stop.
You know, I I think we're goodat that, but I think there's
some people in my f you know, myfamily that I know that when

(01:00:06):
it's about them at that time,that's it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:09):
And then we'll tell each other.
So we feel like s w maybesomebody hasn't gotten it as
soon as we think they should,we'll kind of give each other
the Yeah, and we and we're wewon't say, I don't give a damn.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:24):
You know, we won't we'll be like, all right, I'm
gonna shut it down.
All right, all right, all right,all right.
We'll do that quit.
We quit, just do that.
Um that's I mean, that's what Ithink.
Um, you know, because everybodythat I know as as far as family,
I my family.
I don't uh you know, I don'treally kick it with other folks
outside of family.
Um we all, you know, have lovefor each other.

(01:00:45):
We all, you know, love thefamily, but that's definitely
one thing.
Um for the most part, okay,we're very respectful of other
people's time.
That's why I say for the mostpart, collectively, we are

(01:01:07):
respectful for other people'stime.
Whether whether that's the thecaptain of the ship, make sure
that or what?
Okay, you know.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:17):
I was gonna say for me, I think the thing that we do
um better than most, or thatwe're good at as a family, um
showing gratitude.
I think um yeah, I think that weare great at that, at being able

(01:01:38):
to say thank you for this, justthe simple things.
Um we make sure to say thank youfor people doing certain things,
like cooking or doing smalllittle things.
Like um, I think we all do agreat job of showing gratitude.
And then when if somebody doesit, we go, you forgot something?

(01:02:00):
Yeah, like, oh thank you.
You know, so it's not like youknow, so um I think we do a
great job of that.
And I guess that kind of goeshand in hand with being
respectful.
Um, I also think that if we havecaused harm or hurt somebody's
feelings, that um we um don'thave a problem with apologizing

(01:02:24):
or in whatever way that lookslike for us.
Like um if that's in a textmessage, if it's in trying to
get the you know, talking to theperson.
Kahara used to like to leavelittle notes for me.
And I still have some of thenotes of saying sorry.
But um, yeah, I think that we doa good job um of that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:44):
Yeah.
The other thing, oh man, I justslipped my head.
I was gonna say, we um we'rewe're we're we're good at
helping.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:52):
Yeah, we like to help.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:53):
More times than not, we don't have to be told to
help.
Like, we're not the ones thatjust dip up out of the house if
the kitchen needs to be cleanwhen we go to people invite us
and stuff.
We, you know, we'll grabsomething.
Hey, when we grab the garbageand stuff like that.
We don't just sit there and belike, oh yeah, that was great.
And just do Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:03:14):
Cause that is funny, because even for Kahari, when he
goes to other people's houses,even though here we like have to
say everything to do, but heknows that that is what you
should do when you go to otherpeople's homes, that he does do
that.
Both of the boys do that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:30):
Um, but and that that's huge.
That's huge.

SPEAKER_06 (01:03:34):
People at people will invite you back.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:36):
Yeah.
You did good, good job.
Uh you did great too.
That's right.
I'm not finished.

SPEAKER_06 (01:03:42):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:44):
Oh no, we sure aren't.

SPEAKER_06 (01:03:45):
I don't know why people think when they go off to
college, you're done.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:48):
No way.
Even when they got a family.
Yeah.
You know, you're not raisingthem, but you can you can offer
advice or or be available foradvice.
For conversations of Yeah, don'tforce your advice.
Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:02):
But to offer your advice.
Because sometimes people Whatyou need to do.
Oh, don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:09):
Yeah.
Yeah, because it it makes iteasier for them to come to you.
And then, you know, when theytrust your advice and when they
trust what you have to say iscoming from a good place.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:21):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:22):
Yeah.
Cause like, and I told somebodyuh long gone are the are the
porch lessons.
You know, when the old peopleused to sit on the porch with
them and just talk.
You know, you know, one peopledon't sit on the porch, and then
if they're on the porch, theyoccupy with their phone.
Yeah.
So the conversations are notthere anymore.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:40):
So Yeah, it was like someone was saying, in America,
we have just become just going,going, going, going, work, work,
going, going.
And in other countries, it'slike not that way at all.
Yeah.
At a certain time, like there'sa two-hour lunch where
everybody's supposed to go home,have lunch, take a nap, come
back to work.

(01:05:00):
Um, other countries at a certainyou only work so many four days
out of the week, and your job isnot allowed, they aren't allowed
to contact you or email you onthose other days.
Um and like that is we don'tturn off.
So um that that goes to showlike the porch things, and it

(01:05:22):
may be also why other countrieshave progressed faster than
ours.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:27):
Especially during Because they're overworked.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:30):
Overworked, and people feel underappreciated,
overworked, underappreciated,and disconnected.
And disconnected, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:36):
I was I was watching TikTok and this young lady, uh,
she was talking about things todo in the holidays in Atlanta.
Um, she says since she justleft, you know, Thanksgiving,
you know, this is what you coulddo this week.
And like Tuesday, there's thisparty.
It's called a no-phone party.
You bring your phone and theygive you this pouch and you lock
your phone up so there's noselfies, there's no picture,

(01:05:58):
nothing.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:59):
You just have to be fully engaged.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:00):
If you want a conversation, they give you a
notepad and pen to write downthe person's phone number if you
if you link up with somebody.
Oh.
If you want their Insta orwhatever.
Insta or whatever.
So everything is old schoolconversation, enjoy the moment.
I was like, that is so dope.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:16):
That is cool.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:17):
You know, and so um we you know, we kind of gotta
get back to that thatconversation piece and and that
enjoy the moment piece.
You know, I mean, I'm likeanybody else, yeah, you got your
phone, use it.
But at the same time, um we'remassing out.
Yeah.
And like I said, the reason whywe don't hand down recipes is
because I can do what?

(01:06:38):
Look it up on the phone.
You know, but the the recipes,that's that thing they're
saying, uh we're in a in an eranow where we're not sharing
recipes.
And basically what that means iswe're not sharing the advice,
we're not sharing downtraditions, we're not sharing
love.
Because we always feel like, oh,I can go back and get it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:56):
Yeah, I can go back and get it or I can research
something better.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:58):
Research it.
Yeah, so we we need to get tothat point of sharing recipes.
I charge you.

unknown (01:07:05):
Charge.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:06):
I charge you all to share a recipe of something that
you've made.
Share it with somebody.
You know what I mean?
Um of course you're just gonnasend them the link.
But still shared.
Share them a recipe, share arecipe.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:23):
And it's not a recipe that you gotta try and
see that it didn't work.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:25):
Somebody did it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:27):
Well, really something that you've done.
Yeah.
Yes, something you've done,share the recipe and give them
a, you know, give them somethingelse.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:35):
And sometimes on it, like it or something.
Well, yeah, and then likesometimes you tweaked it.
So if you did the recipe but youtweaked it, what did you do
differently than that?
So you can give the recipe andsay, but I baked it at this
degree, and then I add a littlepinch of this, like give them
what you did to make it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:52):
Yeah, I I remember when I would posted my greens
and how I uh boiled the meat,the smoked meat, and then took
them out and chopped it up.
And uh Tamika, Janaska's wife,and she's like, boom, that's
what I do now.
And she, you know, my brothers,you know, gave me shared this
recipe, you would shared, youknow, to chop it up so that you

(01:08:13):
can get meat in every bite.
And it just, you know, it mademe feel like, because now
there's a connection.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:18):
Yeah.
How'd you do that?

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:20):
Well, you know, my you know, it's stuff like that.
That and that's how recipes,well, where'd you learn how to
make this cake?
Well, my grandma would make itevery Sunday, and it just
carries over.
Um, so that's important, youknow.
So share recipes.
Continue to share recipes.
All right.
All right so what are youlooking forward to this week?
Oh, first of all, yeah, what areyou looking forward to?

(01:08:44):
And then we do the grateful.

SPEAKER_06 (01:08:46):
Yeah.
I'm not quite sure what I'mlooking forward to this week.
Um I mean, I have I have Oh,side-eye.
We didn't do side eye.
Uh oh, you do you have one?

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:57):
Yes.

SPEAKER_06 (01:08:58):
Oh, what is your side eye?

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:59):
It was just a um, we had so much cooking to do.

SPEAKER_06 (01:09:06):
We did.
Well, we did sign up forspecific things.
So this one was only supposed tohave greens.
Um I was supposed to have me andKimani were gonna do the
dressing together and the macand cheese.

(01:09:27):
Was mine.
Then Kimani had a cake.
I think he had mashed potatoes,but somebody else ended up
getting that job.
Um but super chef over here, hekind of was the same way.
Like last week I said when heplayed, played in the softball

(01:09:48):
league, he was all over thefield.
Like you're like, what positiondoes he play?
Is he the shortstop, first base,outfielder?
What is he?

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:57):
And I was being a team player.

SPEAKER_06 (01:09:59):
He was, and let me tell you, I'm not complaining
about it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:01):
And that's what I'm saying.
When you be a team player, thensometimes people be like, let me
slide.

SPEAKER_06 (01:10:06):
No, so he was a team player, but I didn't slide back.
I did, I stayed in the kitchenthe whole time too.
So I did do the dressing becauseI cooked the cornbread the night
before.
Kimani did the season, like wedid do a team effort of that.
When it came to the mac andcheese, we did have two separate
kinds.
And so um we didn't have to likethe macaroni cheese wasn't as

(01:10:26):
complicated because we do have alittle um efficiency where we
use part hours, part Costco macand cheese.
So it wasn't like toochallenging.
I mean then we did add theturkey at the because my mama
did order a turkey, but we werelike, let's just get another
turkey just in case.
Um, and so that ended up beingthat.

(01:10:48):
But then um, yeah, we were wewere in the kitchen the majority
of the morning.
We a little bit into theafternoon, um, but it was just
really the three of us.
But I was the we believe incooking as you, I mean cleaning
as you cook.

(01:11:09):
So as they are doing theirthings, I'm washing the dishes
so that when we wheneverything's done, like we're
ready to eat.
Like there's no dishes to putaway.
The kitchen is not a disaster.
Like we believe in that.
So we have a system that justworks and we work together well.
And so we did have a goodmachine going, and um, so I'm
just thankful, yes, this one wascooking.

(01:11:33):
Yep, and um I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:36):
Yeah, that's just my side eyes.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:38):
If not, we probably would have ate much later if
y'all were waiting on me becauseI it to do it all at all.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:46):
Because I'm looking at all my frat brothers' plates,
yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:49):
They were they ate too early.
No, that's how you're supposedto do it.
They were eating at noon.
I'm like, why are you tripping?
You supposed to eat, yes.

SPEAKER_06 (01:11:56):
Yeah, that's what my daddy wanted.
Eat at noon.
When noon came, he came up tothe counter like the food.
I said, I told you already foodain't gonna be ready around here
at noon.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:04):
Eat at noon, take a nap, then eat the leftovers.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:08):
Anywho, we didn't have it at noon.
We did eat at a decent time.
Food was ready.
We did say grace all together at3 p.m.
I feel like that's a great time.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:18):
I don't know, because you only eat once.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:20):
You can eat again?
Yeah, but then you did eatagain.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:22):
But then it's late.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:24):
Yeah, it is late.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:25):
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:25):
Um, so anywho.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:27):
Especially if now if you're at your crib, that's
different.
When you go to somebody else'scrib, yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:32):
And you just do up.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:35):
You out.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:35):
Yeah, so um, yep, he did do the cooking, but I I
appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:40):
All right.
So no side eye for you.

SPEAKER_06 (01:12:42):
I don't think I have.
I do, but this is like a sideeye, but kind of scary.
So when I was in Wichita, ofcourse, you know there's always
something we forget.
Well, we didn't forget it.
My mama threw it away.
We needed a cheese grater forthe cheese, for the mac and
cheese.
And she's like, ooh, I think Ithrew that thing away because I

(01:13:03):
ain't gonna use it.
I knew I wasn't using it, so Ihad to go to Dollar General um
to get a cheese grater.
And I'm driving.
Uh, my parents live in likeoutside of Wichita.
So it's a small little townoutside of Wichita called
Kichai.
And so when you drive in, youreally are driving through open
wheat field, open land.

(01:13:25):
This man is like, I'm drivingdown this road.
Um, he is driving, intersectingtowards me like full speed.
Like he's not stopping.
Um, and I was like, wait, so Islowed down and I just stopped.
So if he wanted to go, he couldgo.
So then he stopped and he didn'tgo.

(01:13:46):
So I went on and there was a carbehind me.
So they stopped and they, Iguess, refused to go until he
went.
And so then he got, so he wentahead and turned, then he kept
breaking like in front of them.
And so then finally, I guess hewas trying to get them a little
flustered.

(01:14:06):
He took off and I was like, ohLord, here he comes.
So then I just got over to theside of the road to just let him
pass.
So he flew on past me.
And so um I just drove to whereI was driving to the Dollar
General, and when I pulledDollar General, I go, oh God,
that's that guy's car.

(01:14:26):
And so I pulled in and I waslike, I gotta go to Dollar
General because I gotta get thischeese crater.
So I was like, what if he?
This is where I first I thought,what if he's just because he
obviously he was not having agood Thanksgiving.
And I don't know what he wasangry, but he was angry and
upset about something.
And I did in my head go, what ifhe goes into this Dollar General
and just cut the food, right?
And so I said, I gotta get thischeese crater.

(01:14:50):
I just said, Lord, get out ofthis car, cover me in
protection, knowing that I cango in and out this store, get
the cheese grater and go onabout my business.
And I got out and I went and didwhat I did, came back out.
The guy was still there in hiscar.
I didn't even look his directionbecause I didn't want to make
eye contact.
I just got in and out and wenton.

(01:15:11):
But I side-eye him and Ithought, you know what?
Not only that, Lord, let me prayfor him that whatever is messing
with his spirit today, that youwould just help him with
whatever he's struggling withbecause something is wrong.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:28):
Yeah, you didn't need that cheese grater that
bad.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:30):
Well, anyways, I did that.
So maybe I should side-eyemyself in the main.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:34):
I'm side-eyeing you.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:35):
Yeah, because he was like, You got out the car, and I
was like, I did, but I prayedover myself before I got a
million family dollars inWichita.
No.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:45):
They like stop signs in Wichita everywhere.

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:48):
Anyways, I went in, it was fine, and I made it out,
but side-eyeing that man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:54):
All right, so what are you looking forward to?

SPEAKER_06 (01:15:57):
Oh, I'm not quite sure what I'm looking forward to
this week.
It's the same old same.
Got some um zones of regulationthings to do with schools this
week.
Um, because we have a digitallearning day.
I think it maybe isn't a digitallearning day.

(01:16:19):
I think it's just a day off.
Anywho, I don't know what it is.
Yeah, no, it's not digitallearning.
It was like a last thing.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:24):
It's not, it's not a digital learning day.
Oh, okay.
It's uh Ed Camp.
Well, we're calling it Ed Camp.
It's the day, well, like I said,it's that day that they say, oh,
we're one less day of work, andhe lied.
We're still there.

SPEAKER_06 (01:16:35):
So um anyway, so I'm not sure what I'm looking
forward to this week.
Um, but just thankful that wehad the week off and uh looking
forward to knocking out the nextthree weeks to have another
break.
So what about you?

(01:16:56):
What you looking forward to?

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:57):
Um I'm looking forward to, like I said,
returning back so that we canget the week over with, and then
you got uh another full week,and then after that, it's half.
Well, you know, half days.
Um we have two class days andthen we do no three classes
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, andthen we do half a day, Thursday,

(01:17:18):
half a day, Friday.
So yeah, I'm looking forward tothat.
Uh because it's just reviews onthose, you know, that last week
review you were saying, and alot of parent emails about uh
holiday parties.
No, my kid failing.
Oh, what can I do about that?
Why he failing?
Because you just your firstemail.

SPEAKER_06 (01:17:36):
Like that.
Did you send me that about thatmama that trying to go on the
news and her child was fail wellwhen he only had so many
credits, he wasn't a senior, hewas really a freshman.
Yeah, three credits and hemissed 227 days of school, and
she's blaming the school, it'sthe school's fault.
Ma'am, I know you knew beforehis senior year, supposed senior

(01:17:59):
year, that your child only hadtwo, three credits, or however
many credits he had.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:04):
She worried about the credits he missing and not
the days of class he missing.
Right.

SPEAKER_06 (01:18:09):
So how did you not know your child wasn't at
school?
So you didn't go.
I I that's a lot to that story.
Anyways, that'd be a wholenother thing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:17):
But uh, that's what I'm looking forward to, all that
good stuff.
All right, so what are youthankful for?

SPEAKER_06 (01:18:22):
Um, I'm thankful for safe that we had safe travels,
yeah.
Um, and I'm thankful for afamily that is just easy, easy
peasy, um, just kind um people.
Like my um for I'm thinking I'msaying my family, like my media,

(01:18:47):
my boys, my husband, like justthe the calm peace.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:54):
Um and our dog is easy.

SPEAKER_06 (01:18:57):
And our dog easy peasy, yeah.
Like I'm just thankful for that,that just to be covered in um
peace and calm and um joy,right?
So I'm just thankful um that Ithat I get to have a family

(01:19:17):
that's that um is this way.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:20):
Yep, me too.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm thankful that uh your cyclestarted, because I mean you
ain't pregnant.

SPEAKER_06 (01:19:31):
So I was gonna say that.
I have that I wasn't gonna saythat, but I was been on um
spirilactone for my skin.
Hopefully I'm sayingspirilactone right.
If not, you know.
Anyways, I was on that for myskin um with hormonal and all
the things.
I never had skin issues until Iturned 30 something.

(01:19:52):
And then anyway, so I got backon spiralactone, and goodness
gracious, it just really justmessed up my whole system.
And um, I was like, what isgoing on?
So I said, you know what?
That's the new, that's the onething I've taken that that says
it can impact all the hormonesand all the things.
So I said, let me stop takingit.
And sure enough, my body's backto normal.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:14):
Yeah, because we came back.
So I'm not pregnant.
Twins at 50.
No, child, I will die.
Twins at 50, and the doctor toldus that time, you got 80% chance
of having twins again.
The way you can.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:26):
No.
Yeah, so anyways, system is backto normal.
Yep.
So if anybody's on spirallactone and you're trying to
figure out what's going on, it'sthe spiral lactone.
That's what it is, that's what'sdoing it.
That's what's doing it.
So, anyways.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:40):
Yep.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:41):
So you're thankful that ain't no more babies
coming.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:44):
Yep.
Because I mean, even though Idid I do one some girls.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:48):
Not now.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:49):
Yeah, not now.
Before.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:50):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:52):
Yep.
So that's it.

SPEAKER_06 (01:20:54):
All right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:55):
No, I'm thankful for um just life, man.
It's uh it could be worse, youknow, uh in any regard.
And it's not.
You know what I'm saying?
It's um I'm enjoying life rightnow.
Um I'm enjoying thepossibilities of what could

(01:21:17):
happen in the future.
Um kind of want to hit fastforward to see, but then at the
same time, you want to enjoyeach moment.
Yes.
Um, but I'm I am thankful that Ican go downstairs and even if I
can't find nothing in therefrigerator, I can go get
something.
You know, I'm thankful for that.

(01:21:37):
Um I'm thankful that, you know,we were able to go see your
parents because we don't seethem as often.
Um I'm thankful that we haveplans to see my parents, you
know.
Um I'm thankful for those,everything, all those moments,
because there will come a timewhen those plans will be

(01:21:58):
different.
But for the time being, I'mthankful for them.
And that's about it.
As Q money would do with thewink and the gun.
Um so next week we're gonna uhtalk about more holidays.

(01:22:20):
Possibly and see and letsomething pop off.
Let some pop off.
Uh you'll know.
So we're gonna get up out ofhere because Alabama is about to
play Auburn.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:32):
And I got lasagna soup to make.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:34):
Oh, that's what we have.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:36):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:36):
All right then.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:38):
It's my first time making it, but I've heard, oh
my.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:41):
I need to go get some snacks, then.
I won't get no snacks.

unknown (01:22:44):
Why?

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:45):
You ain't gonna like my lasagna soup?

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:46):
I just still need snacks.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:47):
We gotta make it.
Oh, okay, good.
All right, all right, and I'vegot a potty, so we've got to go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:53):
Oh, and uh I I need to get some Lucy Glow apples
from Sprouts.
They are delicious.
All right.

SPEAKER_06 (01:22:57):
Are the y'all something on?

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:59):
Y'all have a great one.
Thank you for tuning in to theRefreshingly Normal podcast.
I'm your host, Keith Lloyd.

SPEAKER_01 (01:23:03):
I am Lucretia.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:05):
All right, and we will be seeing you when we see
you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:23:09):
Get out of here, PPJ.
Open it, open it.
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