November 23, 2025 • 47 mins
In today’s episode of The Root of the Matter, I sit down with Jennifer Rankin, owner of Wonder Oral Wellness, to explore a question I get almost daily:
“What toothpaste should I use?”
And more importantly…
“Does it actually help my teeth remineralize?”
Jennifer’s story is one of my favorites because it is so real. She started out as a customer who was simply trying to help her child avoid a cavity and ended up buying the company that changed her family’s oral health. Yes, really.
Together, we unpack:
🌿 Why tooth powder is making a comeback
Powders were the original way humans cared for their teeth. They are mineral rich, gentle, and free of the preservatives that paste requires. And honestly, your enamel loves them.
🦷 What actually remineralizes your teeth
No, it is not fluoride.
Your teeth are not made of fluoride. They are made of minerals.
Inside this episode, we break down ingredients that actually rebuild enamel, including:
- bentonite clay for detox and natural minerals
- micro hydroxyapatite from grass fed sources
- calcium and phosphorus in bioavailable forms
- baking soda for healthy pH
- essential oils and cacao powder for gentle antimicrobial support
Your body recognizes real nutrients and it knows exactly what to do with them.
👶 How Jennifer reversed her son’s early cavity
This part of her story still gives me chills.
Within months of using Wonder’s tooth powder, a cavity that was headed toward a filling simply disappeared. The power of minerals, saliva, and the right environment never stops amazing me.
🌬️ Why the oral microbiome matters more than ever
We talk about:
- the problem with mouthwash
- how minerals fuel a healthy microbiome
- why foaming agents like SLS disrupt enamel
- and why kids’ teeth are struggling more today
At the root of it all, your mouth is an ecosystem, not a war zone.
🧠 Nano vs. Micro Hydroxyapatite
Jennifer explains why Wonder chooses micro, non synthetic hydroxyapatite sourced from New Zealand cattle and why you want your enamel support to come from something that looks like real food, not a lab.
🍓 Flavors that support the oral microbiome
From peppermint to citrus berry to the new cacao mint blend, every flavor uses real food grade ingredients with no natural flavors.
The chocolate one also makes an amazing stocking stuffer.
✨ Resources Mentioned
- Wonder Oral Wellness tooth powders and oral care
https://wonderoralwellness.com - Breath by James Nestor
- The Dental Diet by Dr. Steven Lin
- Bamboo toothbrushes, silk floss, and pH strips
Your teeth were designed to heal.
Your body is always communicating with you through your gums, your saliva, your breath, and your energy. When we give it minerals, calm, and the right environment, it knows exactly how to repair.
Maybe today’s step is simply checking
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Hello, everybody.
Welcome back to another episodeof The Root of the Matter.
I am your host, Dr.
Rachel Carver.
And today we have JenniferRankin, who is the owner of
Wonder.
Um, is that the name of thecompany?
Wonder Oral Wellness?
Wonder Oral Wellness, yeah.
Excellent.
And is Wonder is a toothpaste, atooth powder.
There are different variationsthat I've been using a while
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now.
And I'm very excited forJennifer to kind of tell us her
story, uh, tell us about herproduct, other products that may
be uh in the making.
Because a lot of you know, um,some people ask me all the time,
what toothpaste do you use?
What this brand, brand, brand.
And, you know, I like to changeit up all the time, but I like
to have a couple of differentthings in my uh in my routine.
(00:46):
I think like everything, if youjust do one thing all the time,
um, that you know, maybe that'snot so good, right?
If we ate broccoli every singleday of our lives, maybe that's
not the best, you know.
Um, so but I really, really loveWonder for its um kind of
commitment to being natural, tobeing healthy, um, to avoid all
of the chemicals and otheradditives and typical toothpaste
(01:08):
that we just don't need to beclean.
So, welcome, Jennifer.
Thank you so much for takingyour time this morning to talk
with us.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about your story and how you
came to be the owner?
SPEAKER_00 (01:20):
Yeah.
Well, first of all, thank you somuch for having me.
Um yeah, so it all started withme first being a customer of
Wonder.
I it was the first time in mylife I'd ever been introduced to
toothpowder, it was through thecompany Wonder.
I had followed this girl formany, many years first on social
media, and then I was on heremail list, and so I'd always
(01:43):
get her blogs, and she alwayshad, you know, wellness articles
and all the stuff that I wasreally interested in.
So I just kept following her.
We never met in person, but shehad a store with all holistic
items.
At first it was holisticcleaning products and sea
sponges and stuff like that, butshe added a tooth powder one day
to her store.
(02:03):
And so I saw it and I was like,tooth powder?
What is that?
So I was like, well, I'm theperson that would buy that.
So I'm like, I'm definitelytrying it.
I bought it from her, and thatwas my first introduction to
tooth powder.
And this was probably, gosh, Iwant to say six or seven years
ago.
So it was quite a while.
Then I just, you know, time wenton, I kept following her.
(02:26):
Um, she eventually converted herwhole store to oral products,
specifically tooth powder.
And now, over like maybe two anda half years ago, I went to the
dentist just with my kids andjust to like their regular
cleaning checkup.
And my son had a cavity betweenhis adult tooth and baby tooth.
And the dentist said, Hey Jen,if you get something
(02:49):
remineralizing, I bet you cansave his adult tooth.
And then the the baby tooth willfall out, so no worries.
And he pulled up some toothpasteon the screen.
I almost I didn't even memorizeit because in my mind I was
like, I'm definitely tryingWonder with my kid.
Um, so we I got Wonder for mykids.
They all started using it.
And then a few months afterthat, one day I just got an
(03:13):
email from Wonder that they weregonna close down their company.
And I was so sad.
I was like, oh no, I loveWonder.
I've never even heard of anothertooth powder at that point,
other than theirs.
So I at first I was just like, Iemailed them right away and
said, Oh, I'm so sorry you guysare closing.
Is will there be another one yourecommend?
Like, is there another toothpowder you guys recommend?
(03:35):
And and you know, they wrote meback saying, Yeah, we're gonna
we're have a plan, you know,we'll we'll try to figure
something out.
And then an hour later, Ithought, I wonder if they're
interested in selling Wonderbecause it's such a great
company, it's such a greatproduct, I love it.
I think other people love it.
I wonder if they want it to havesomeone else run it.
(03:55):
So I contacted them, notthinking that they would really
even respond, but they didquickly.
And they were like, Yeah, we'reinterested in selling.
There's a few other peopleinterested, but if you're
interested, let's like let'sstart talking, let's start the
conversation.
So we did that.
Um and all while this is like inbetween his next appointment.
So we still don't know what'sgoing on with my son's tooth,
(04:16):
right?
So anyway, long story short, um,I do buy Wonder and I take over.
And that was awesome, soexciting, and also did not know
what I was getting into in away.
But I love the product and I wasreally excited that I was
already a customer.
I already felt like bought in.
So it just felt like a gift tothen if I being a part of it.
(04:38):
I knew that I was already boughtin as a customer anyway.
So, anyway, my kids keep usingit.
We go back in the spring, youknow, six months later, and I'm
definitely so curious about thattooth.
And we go back and I'm like,yes, definitely take a look at
that tooth.
Do you remember, you know, thisis Joel who had that cavity?
And he's like, first of all, hejust looks, you know, with his
(05:00):
eyes and his mouth, and he'slike, Well, I don't see
anything.
I don't see anything at all.
He's like, I could do an x-rayjust to be 100% sure.
And I was like, okay, I do wantyou to do the x-ray just because
I really would like to know withthis tooth.
So we did the x-ray.
He's like, John, there's nocavity.
Like, you're good.
He said, Whatever you're doingis working.
And I was like, awesome.
He's like, I can definitely tellyour kids' teeth are
remineralized just by looking atthem.
(05:21):
And I was like, awesome.
So that was kind of how I gotinto Wonder, and now it's been
almost two years.
SPEAKER_01 (05:28):
Yeah, that's exciting.
And it's kind of like those ofus who dive into this biologic
or, you know, I don't like theword alternative, but more
holistic type of um uhphilosophy, I guess, that we've
we all kind of have our story,right?
How we, you know, kind of movedin that direction.
And um, what I think is reallyvaluable about this story is
(05:49):
that teeth can remineralize.
I think so many of us justassume that, you know, the tooth
comes in the mouth and it's justthis stagnant thing that we use
to chew food.
Every single tooth is its ownorgan and it is constantly
remineralizing, demineralizingall day, every day.
We have acid in our mouth.
We need to have the acid.
(06:09):
That's what helps start breakingdown our food.
But again, if we don't have theproper balance, if we're not
eating enough of uh mineral-richfoods, we're not using a
toothpaste that has minerals,you know, then we tend towards
the more demineralizing, right?
And so we end up having biggerand bigger cavities or more and
more.
And obviously, if you've beenlistening to the podcast, you
know there's a lot more to thestory.
(06:31):
But at the very center of it isthe fact that we can
remineralize, we can healespecially the starting
cavities.
You know, once we've broken intothe inner dentin part, that gets
a lot trickier.
But the enamel is the thickestpart of your tooth.
That is the white, you know,part.
And as we, you some of us willsay, Oh, my teeth are yellowing,
(06:52):
or so it can be, you know, somepeople think it's just staining,
but it also can be that theenamel is thinning, right?
Most of our food today iscompletely deficient in
minerals.
And so we are, all of us aretending more towards
demineralization.
So we, and and because of thetoxic environment we live in,
(07:12):
right, where the minerals thatwe may be absorbing in our food
is getting used up so quickly.
So we don't have enough to dothe repair that's needed because
sometimes we sacrifice our teethto save our internal organs.
So, and and there's so much thatwe can't control.
Why we can't control all thetoxicity on the world.
So, what can we do to helpmineralize?
(07:34):
And again, we listen to thepodcast, we know we talk about
food and certain supplements,but what we're using for oral
care is tremendous, right?
It makes, and as you see, as yousaw in in your in your child,
and there's a there's a bigpush, like you know, there's a
big talk these days all aboutfluoride, and you know, there's
two different parties and how,but the bottom line is people,
(07:56):
our teeth are not made offluoride.
There is no fluoride in ourteeth when they come from mother
nature, okay.
That is not what keeps our teethstrong.
It's the minerals that keep usstrong.
So, Adam, why don't you tell usa little bit about what exactly
is in this wonder tooth powderand why why tooth powder versus
paste?
SPEAKER_00 (08:16):
Yeah.
Well, first I'll answer thequestion what is in Wonder?
So we have it's only powders andit's we use bentonite clay, we
use microhydroxiapatite, we usecalcium carbonate, baking soda,
um, cinnamon clove, and xylitol.
And if we're if the certainpowder I'm making has a flavor,
(08:39):
it's with essential oil.
We add a little bit, not a ton,but that's kind of how you get
the flavor.
Our the one for kids, which isnot called citrus berry, has
organic strawberry powder in it.
So everything is flavored withlike a food grade, not no
natural, like no all like, whatis it, all natural flavors?
It's like there's no naturalflavors.
(09:00):
It's all actual food grade itemslike powdered strawberry, rock a
powder, peppermint oil, all ofthat.
So that's all those ingredientsare there for a reason.
They're there to remineralize,quote, like heal, I guess,
teeth, help your pH level, um,uh help remove plaque, you know,
balance your, yeah, like yourpH, remove staining, um, yeah,
(09:24):
all of that.
And specifically theremineralizing.
SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
Right.
And so why what's so specialabout bentonite clay?
SPEAKER_00 (09:32):
Yeah, bentonite clay helps remove impurities, it
stable it um purifies your mouthand helps balance the pH.
And and that's really, reallyrich in natural minerals too,
right?
Yeah, yeah, that actuallyremineralizes too.
I always like wait to talk aboutthe hydroxyapatite, how that
remineralizes.
Yeah.
But the bentonite clay actuallyreally remineralizes as well.
SPEAKER_02 (09:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:54):
And it's um, again, like really rich in those
nutrients.
Bentonite clay also, becauseit's so rich in minerals, it
helps increase the pH.
So the the lower the pH, themore acidic the mouth is, right?
The more we tend towardsbreaking down of things.
So if you can't have a moreneutral pH in your mouth, you're
(10:16):
not going to put those mineralsinto the tooth.
So that's why we have bakingsoda, right?
Baking soda is something thatalkalinizes the whole mouth.
And again, you need thealkalinity in order to pull the
minerals and have them uh bebrought into the enamel and
actually, you know, form thecrystalline structures there.
SPEAKER_02 (10:35):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (10:35):
Calcium is obviously one of the major minerals there,
along with phosphorus and alittle bit of uh magnesium too.
But again, those are the thingsthat we find in the clay.
And so if you look at there areother tooth powders out there,
those are some of the basicingredients there, but then some
of them will add um, you know,other stuff that we don't need.
(10:56):
So you mentioned thehydroxyapatite, which, you know,
that can be controversialbecause there is synthetic,
there is non-synthetic, there isthe micro versus the nano.
Um what tell us what you knowabout hydroxyapatite and why you
use the micro.
SPEAKER_00 (11:13):
Yeah.
So what what we've landed on is,yeah, so you said that there's
like the nano, the micro,synthetic, non-synthetic.
We really wanted to stick to onethat was not synthetic.
So we use a micro hydroxyapatitethat comes from grass-fed um
cattle.
And so it's comes from thebones.
(11:33):
And we just felt the mostcomfortable with that.
We didn't really want asynthetic ingredient in our
tooth powder.
Also, another thing that peopledon't realize just having a
non-synthetic one, so the actualmicrohydroxy appetite that comes
from bone, specifically the onethat I get as well, because
there's different ones, evenlike different qualities.
(11:54):
But the one we get is made frombone.
And a lot of times companieswill take the bone and they do
it through this process calledashing, where they strip
everything away, everythingexcept, you know, and only the
hydroxyapatide is left.
The company we get it from doesheat the bones, obviously really
(12:15):
hot and makes a powder out ofit, but it's not so hot to the
point where it takes all theproteins out.
There's like peptides, proteins,even collagen, and all the
calcium and um phosphorus and alittle bit of oxygen and
hydrogen that make thehydroxyapatite.
So it's just a much betterquality from what we've been
(12:36):
able to do our research andunderstand.
We just feel really comfortablewith the product being basically
it's a food grade ingredientwhile still doing the work that
it needs to on our teeth.
We prefer not to have a nano atthis point from what we've
learned.
We're just don't feelcomfortable having a particle
that small.
I know that there are, I amfamiliar with some of the
(12:58):
studies coming out from Europe.
And, you know, there's a certainthere's a certain one coming.
If you get it from Europe, likethat's supposed to be okay.
And at this point, I'm just likereally happy with what we're
using.
I feel really comfortable withit.
We get it from New Zealand.
They have the highest standards.
It's like the cleanest andhighest standards of a bovine
like cattle there.
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And we really trust the company.
Uh, we trust the process thatthey're using, and they're
maintaining as much as we can ofwhat you need for your teeth.
Like I said, the collagen, theprotein, the peptides, and the
calcium, the phosphorus that arein the hydroxyapetite.
So we just think that's gonnaremineralize your teeth better.
SPEAKER_02 (13:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:37):
And and our body recognizes things that are like
real food, right?
So it's really important.
And I think you bring up areally important point about
processing.
It's kind of it insulin made methink about seed oils, right?
Like you can sunflower seeds,you know, are okay.
All these seeds are okay.
When you make an oil, so many ofthese seed oils become bad or
(13:58):
rancid because you heat them tosuch high temperatures that it
distorts the proteins, itdistorts all these things.
And and you know, the bonds,everything in a in a biochemical
way, it becomes something that'sno longer recognized by your
body and it actually becomesinflammatory.
So that that whole, and thenyou'll see some things they say
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cold pressed, you know,acceller-pressed.
And that's, you know, again, achange in the processing can
help something stay a little bitmore natural, a little bit um,
you know, healthier for us.
I think that's part of theproblem in the world today is
overprocessed foods, right?
Processing, we're like removingall the nutrients, you know,
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because it may have come from,you know, a plant or whatever,
but the way that it getsprocessed.
Not add any more.
No, it removes all thosenutrients.
So it's it's so that's reallyimportant thing.
And it says a lot about yourcompany and the you know, the
standards and the quality thatthat is important because again,
we are putting this in ourchildren's mouths, our mouths,
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and yeah, and like I saidbefore, there's so many things
we can't avoid.
So the things that we do chooseto use, you know, we want it to
be um as as clean as possible.
As far as the nano, I thinkthat's that's really important.
And I'm glad you guys haven'tmoved to that because again,
when something is so, so small,we don't necessarily know what
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it's gonna do.
Is it gonna make, you know, mostof us are really, we have more
bacterial and and fungalmicrobial cells in our body.
What is that gonna do to thosethings, right?
That are so healthy andimportant for our immunity, for
our digestion, you know, our ourmental health and all that.
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So, you know, we don't we a lotof things we don't realize are
impacting actually themicroflora and our microbiomes
in our body.
100%.
So that brings me to the wholeum idea of xylitol.
So, you know, I'm like, eh, kindof on the cheeks about about
xylitol.
Um, there are many, many, manystudies showing it's good and it
(16:03):
can improve our um lactobacillusand bipido, the the colonies,
um, which are really important.
Those are kind of like keystonespecies that help our gut be
very healthy.
Um they convert um into shortchain fatty acids, which again
are feeding the microbiome, soit can be really good.
And there's a there, like Isaid, tons of studies showing
(16:26):
that.
Then there are some otherstudies showing, well, it's a
sugar alcohol um and it can beproblematic.
I was researching this recently,and and a lot of the studies
that show you know the benefitsare done in rats who have clean
digestive alcoholic.
So so I think the few studiesthat you find that say, uh,
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maybe not such a good idea.
And some of the other sugaralcohols that I think are are
are worse, right, are like thesorbitol um that you see
sometimes in a lot of naturaltoothpaste too.
And the the the issue is if youhave a diotic gut, right?
So if you have leaky gut, youhave an imbalance, you have any
inflammatory conditions, SIBO,SIPO, colitis, all those, sugar
(17:12):
alcohols are not gonna be greatfor you because you already have
this imbalance and those sh feedthe bacteria, whether it's good
or bad.
So if you already have anovergrowth of something, that
could lead to uh, but again, intoothpaste, most time you're not
swallowing this, right?
SPEAKER_00 (17:31):
You are just we do recommend swallowing it.
Yeah.
Just using to brush and then,you know, it's safe, it's safe
to swallow.
SPEAKER_01 (17:39):
But this is safe to swallow, but I see what you're
saying, yeah.
And I think that's an importantcaveat to know, and especially
for me too, you know, as it haspeople ask me that question all
the time.
And so, yes, and I do, you know,so many of us do have one degree
or another of the leaky gut, butthose of us who have that
diagnosed condition, that'swhere, you know, and again,
(17:59):
we're not really swallowingthis, but I think that's that's
can be the issue with the thesugar algorithm.
Like I said, lots of naturalones have sorbitol and
erythritol and the xylitol, andit's like, okay, you don't need
so many.
You don't need that manysweeteners.
Yeah, yeah, right.
And yeah, but you do have otherum and you do have different
(18:19):
flavors.
Tell us about the different Ido.
SPEAKER_00 (18:22):
Yeah.
So we have uh a peppermint,which is probably our most
popular one.
I think if people it's already,I think, a hard thing to sell
tooth powder because people arelike, why, why would I get tooth
powder, right?
Like I love my toothpaste, Ilove how it foams.
So we have a peppermint, becauseat least it's like, okay, your
your brain can think like, okay,I'm used to peppermint.
(18:43):
I will I'll try the peppermint.
So it is our number onebestseller.
People usually start with thatone.
Um, it is probably my favoriteone too.
We have a, we have unflavored,actually.
That one has no flavor, but hasall the base ingredients that
are good for you, like, youknow, the bentonite clay, the
hydroxyapatite, all thoseingredients that are
remineralizing and all of that.
(19:04):
We just don't add flavor.
Some people are extra sensitiveand don't want anything.
You know, I've also heard, I'vegotten feedback from people that
have texture issues.
They're like, we really like thetooth powder, or we really like
the unflavored.
We just don't like textureissues.
Or if our your kid has uh yeah,like texture issues, they they
might do well with theunflavored.
(19:25):
We have a strawberry, not it'scalled citrus berry.
It has straw, like thestrawberry powder in it and
orange oil.
And that was originally createdmore towards kids, but I think
anybody can use it.
My husband loves that one too,and my well, my kids do, and my
husband loves that one.
So we switched the name toswitch citrus berry, so it's a
little bit more like, hey,anybody could try this.
(19:46):
Like it's a gray flavor.
Um, I just came out with a cacaopeppermint, and it's kind of
like a holiday flavor, butactually, more importantly,
cacao powder is actually reallygood for your enamel as well.
We use a raw fermented cacaopowder and it's organic.
Um, so it's like a twist on thepeppermint with a little bit of
hint of chocolate, but thechocolate is actually super
(20:08):
remineralizing for your teeth aswell.
So we wanted something that wasalso going to be good for your
teeth, not just going for theflavor.
So we have that one that justcame out, and then we have a
whitening one, and it has allagain, all the same-based
ingredients, and we have alittle bit of charcoal in it.
We don't put a ton.
I know that can be controversialas well.
Um, but we don't, we reallydon't put a lot.
(20:30):
I would never recommend peoplejust using um charcoal on their
teeth, like straight up.
Um, it's actually it's sominimum, but we do put a little
bit in there just for peoplethat want to get extra staining
off.
SPEAKER_01 (20:41):
Okay.
I really like beyond theflavored.
And I I've tried a bunch ofdifferent, yeah, a bunch of
different tooth powders, andsome of them are I don't know
how to describe it, like toogritty.
Yours is very fine, very, veryfine.
Not gritty at all.
Like some of the other ones I'vehad are are very gritty, and and
some of them have um, I don'tknow how to describe the taste,
(21:03):
but not necessarily unpleasant,but not the best.
And yours is just so it's somild, I think, because it's so
fine grit.
Like I I love it.
I I like the unflavored verymuch.
SPEAKER_00 (21:14):
We do pride ourselves in like our our tooth
powders don't taste horrible.
You know, tooth powder, it's notlike it could be like dirt or
you know, but we do feel likewe've really tried to go the
extra mile to also have it be agood experience if you're gonna
use tooth powder.
It's already pretty differentthan paste.
SPEAKER_01 (21:30):
Yeah, you know, and I think what's interesting, like
the history behind cleaningmouths, it always started with
tooth powders.
Like that.
I know most people have no idea.
Yeah, it wasn't, I forget whenpaste came out, 60s, 50 50s,
60s, it's been like a hundredyears, a hundred between a
hundred and a hundred and fiftyyears.
SPEAKER_00 (21:47):
And Colgate, Colgate did bring toothpaste on the
market.
SPEAKER_02 (21:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:52):
Um, but before that, like for obviously thousands of
years before that, it's alwaysbeen powder.
And and and if you look back atthe ingredients, even from
different parts of the world,from like the Egyptians,
whatever, Europe, it was always,they were always using
mineral-rich powders.
Like it was the whole point wasto actually help your teeth and
add minerals back to your teeth.
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Like that was the whole point ofcleaning your mouth with
minerals, like whether they usedeggshells, oyster shells, ox
hooves, like you know, all ofthat, myrrh and herbs.
It was always like they werealways looking for ingredients
because they knew these weregood for your teeth.
And now from what now what youget on the shelves is like, you
know, I'm not sure which ones ofthese are good for your teeth,
(22:35):
you know?
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (22:36):
But we all get in our psyche, you know, that the
if something doesn't foam, thenit's not cleaning, right?
We're used to it.
It's a problem where like soapfoams, you know, and all the
other things foam.
But, you know, that's uh most ofthat is from the sodium laurel
sulfate, which we know has a lotof uh, you know, negative
negative side effects.
And again, in addition to allthe other toxins today, we talk
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about all the time in thepodcast, 80,000 plus chemicals,
probably up to 90,000 now, um,in the environment.
We don't anything we don't needto add, we should avoid, you
know.
So all of those products.
And there are no minerals intoothpaste in the in the you
know, the typical conventionalones we think of.
Agree.
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Yeah, agreed, agree.
Right.
The the main brands um typicallydon't have that.
They have the SLS, they havefluoride, um, and then just and
colors and dyes.
All kinds of things that have noplace in our body.
Especially for kids.
Like, why are we putting dyes intheir mouth too?
No, no, yeah, just to brush outteeth.
(23:40):
We have now I what is it, thered 40 that's now the FDA said,
okay, we can't have that.
You know, so we're making thesetiny steps, but uh it's it's
unbelievable in in how much howmany of these ingredients really
have no place in helping ourteeth.
And you know, there's this bigcontroversy over fluoride, it's
just never-ending.
There was a huge push.
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I guess I read an articleyesterday how simultaneously in
some really big scientificjournals came out about, oh,
there's this new big study thatshows there's no IQ difference,
because that was the big thingthat came out late in the fall,
right?
Which is fluoride causes IQproblems, blah, blah, blah.
Um, and so now all of theseother, you know, companies that
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are kind of depend on fluoride,you know, there's there's so
much money and bureaucracy whenit comes down to these kind of
things and very little science,right?
And and so people are like, Idon't understand.
You know, we've been taught thatfluoride is the end-all deal.
But at the end of the day,fluoride is not present in
natural tooth.
You do not need fluoride to havehealthy teeth, and it can
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potentially, you know, be adental.
The other thing that I'm talkingabout, yes, IQ is a problem, but
so many people today have havethyroid issues, are hypothyroid.
And we need iodine, it's reallyimportant for the fluoride, and
the fluoride will compete withiodine.
So if you think of a typicalAmerican diet and somebody who
uses conventional toothpaste,they're getting all sorts of
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fluoride.
And if they're not eating a lotof seafood or not, you know,
they're not getting a lot ofthat iodine.
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00 (25:13):
And so I tell people all the time now, like, okay,
like, okay, maybe it maybe atiny bit of fluoride wouldn't
affect you, but like you don'tknow anymore what you're
getting.
Between your water, you know,like when you go out to eat,
everyone's you, you know, andyou're buying soup or whatever,
they just used regular water tomake that.
So it's, you know, everywhereyou're consuming, and then it's
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in your toothpaste, you mightget the extra topical treatment
when you're at the dentist.
Uh, they used to prescribepills.
I don't actually know if they dothat anymore for kids, like the
fluoride pills.
Maybe some people still do that.
It's just so much.
And the more is not better withfluoride.
In fact, it's toxic at highlevels.
And that's why on yourtoothpaste tubes it says, like,
(25:55):
if you swallow, call it control.
Call it poison control.
I'm like, you know, our toothpowder, like, that's not gonna
happen.
I obviously don't recommend yousitting and eating the powder,
but it's not like toxic likethat.
Like, there shouldn't be thatmany toxins in your toothpaste
where like if you swallow toomuch, like you'd have to call
poison control.
SPEAKER_01 (26:16):
Like, yes, that's concerning, you know.
Yeah, at the most, if you ate awhole thing of tooth powder, you
could have a detox reactionbecause your body would suddenly
be flooded with all thesenutrients it's been missing, and
like all of a sudden everythingwould turn back on and your body
would be like, Oh, it's notgetting the minerals you need.
SPEAKER_00 (26:33):
Your body might actually like that.
It'd be like, sure, give me alittle bit of this.
Like, I could use the thecalcium and the phosphorus, and
yeah.
A lot of people are definitelymineral deficient for sure.
I think it's the biggest thing.
I I do think you could fit, likeyou said, like diet is such an
important part of it.
And just being happy you know,having enough vitamins A and K
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and D would make such adifference, but our diet just
doesn't allow for us to havethat anymore.
No, you really have to like goout of your way and be
intentional, especially withyour kids.
You know, if you're you know,how can I get these nutrients in
their body?
Yeah, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (27:10):
And it's very tricky, you know.
Little kids are not gonna beswallowing pills and all these
kind of things.
So, um, you know, starting inthe mouth.
And again, the other thing wehave to remember is by treating
the mouth right, right, we'regoing to cultivate healthy
bacteria in the mouth, right?
The mouth is not sterile, andthat is not the goal.
The goal is to have a healthybalance um, you know, of that
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that good bacteria because we'reswallowing that.
We swallow about two liters ofsaliva a day.
So healthier, yeah, thehealthier that mouth is and the
healthier that microbiome is,therefore, then the gut
microbiome is is healthier too.
And then um, you know, you'regonna avoid those things we
talked about, like the SIBO andthe CIFO and colitis and IBS and
(27:53):
all those kind of things.
So, and we talk about all thetime, right?
The health starts in the mouth.
So this is very accessible.
And that's what I tell patientsall the time is the favorite
part of my job is that I canaffect the whole body and we can
just see chaining the mouth,right?
It's a lot easier to treat themouth than try to deal with
ulcerative colitis or something,right?
SPEAKER_00 (28:14):
Totally.
And I had I really didn't knowhow much I had been in whole
like learned a lot aboutholistic living and all of that
before getting into wonder.
But once I got into wonder, andobviously had to learn so much
about the mouth and how itaffected the whole body, I I
never realized how much themouth mattered.
It's where your gut healthbegins.
(28:35):
Like it's you can't have ahealthy gut, or you can't have a
healthy body without a healthymouth.
It's such, it's so crucial.
People have no idea.
Like, I didn't even know, and Iwas like into holistic living,
and I didn't realize howimportant the oral microbiome
was, how your body naturallydoesn't want you to have
cavities.
You know, it already wants to doit by itself.
Like without tooth powder,without toothpaste, your body
(28:57):
wants you to have, it's likenaturally made to prevent having
cavities between having a goodsaliva and or you know, good
bacteria in your mouth.
And we're constantly destroyingall the bacteria in our mouth,
like all the good bacteria.
I heard once a like a doctordescribe using mouthwash almost
(29:18):
like putting an antibiotic inyour mouth every day, because it
just destroys all the goodbacteria.
And we would never do that withand like regular antibiotics.
Like we know enough that thatwould destroy your gut.
You wouldn't want to do that.
So why are we doing that to ourmouth?
And then that is gonna affectyour gut, correct?
If you did that.
SPEAKER_01 (29:35):
And the biggest thing with mouthwash, we talk
about all the time, isspecifically we're killing the
bacteria that produce nitricoxide.
Nitric oxide is that moleculethat dilates our blood vessels.
So, you know, I read an articleonce it was like, Oh, is
mouthwash giving us a heartattack?
Right?
And that's it.
Maybe it is.
We've got to be careful, right?
(29:56):
In the mouth, you know, lessless is more.
The more we're trying to And andwe've got to get away from the
thought of all bacteria is bad,right?
We gotta kill everything.
No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
You know, it's like then the last causes a huge
problem actually.
Killing all the good bacteriawill like mess everything up,
including in your gut.
Like destroying all your goodbacteria will be a huge problem
for immune your immune system.
SPEAKER_02 (30:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:18):
And I think this is a problem I see a lot now with,
and then we have a lot ofmedications, right, that are are
imbalancing the gut uh bacteria.
You know, I see a lot um withpatients that, you know, pretty
healthy, and now all of a suddenthey've got all this decay.
You know, what is going on?
That's differently.
(30:39):
That's so much coming from thegut and the imbalanced immune
system there.
So um, you know, it's it'salways hard for me to see that,
be like, oh geez, you know, it'snot about just brushing better,
right?
We have to, again, how can weinfluence that whole um and it's
hard if you you have to take allthese, you know, medications for
(30:59):
certain things.
Again, nobody has to take thesethings if we if doctors really
understood more about the rootcause of these diseases.
But um for people who are onthem, you know, uh a lot of
them, you can't just go offwilly-nilly.
So you could work towardsrestoring everything, but in the
meantime, you know, of coursethere's all these things that
can be negatively impacting us.
(31:20):
So um that's what I'm alwaystrying to preach to everybody,
right?
It's all about balance, balance,balance, balance.
You know, nobody's ever gonna beperfect.
But again, how do we and that'sthe biggest nutrient.
If my my kids, you know, in thepast I've given them so many
supplements and now they'reteenagers, they want nothing.
Um at the very least, I givethem a mineral tablet every day.
(31:41):
I'm like, if you do not eat, youcan take minerals because that
is the right.
SPEAKER_00 (31:48):
We're just not even getting enough just what even if
you're eating like fruits andvegetables, unfortunately, even
those just don't have theminerals they used to.
So it's unfortunate, like thebroccoli now, I guess, is not
the same as broccoli 200 yearsago.
And I think it depends what soilit was grown in.
That's a whole otherconversation.
But like just getting your kidsto eat broccoli is hard enough.
(32:08):
And then you're like, well, isthis even like nutrients?
Is like, does it even have thenutrients in it?
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
It's 100%.
That's why it's so importantthat you are sourcing these
places, like New Zealand.
They're known for their, youknow, really oh, that's where I
get all my liver capsules from.
You know, everything they'rethey're known for their, you
know, healthy, natural,regenerative type of practices
that are keeping them soilbecause, you know, what are the
cows eating, right?
(32:33):
It's not just about differentways nicely, but are they, you
know, what are they eating?
Are they having the the freshair?
They have the freedom to roam,all of those things, right?
We talk a lot about on thepodcast about you know the
mental, emotional, spiritual.
And, you know, even if maybe acow's getting organic fed, but
if it's in a big pen and itcan't ever get outside and
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they're, you know, salad, youknow.
Yeah, they're not happy.
Yeah, they're supposed to snug.
SPEAKER_00 (32:57):
And one thing I wanted to point about the
hydroxyapatite that I when wewere talking about it, it was
when you have a synthetic one,it's doesn't have the same
protein blend of like thebovine, you know, one that we
use, like the from from bones,because our bones are made of
hydroxyapatite, and so are ourteeth.
So when you just take it frombones from cattle that are taken
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care of well, it has the proteinblend, like I said, the call,
like the peptides, the aminoacids, and the collagen still
mixed in in the hydroxyapatite.
When you're making itsynthetically in the lab, it
has, yes, this the syntheticversion of calcium and
phosphorus, but it does not havethat protein blend that we get
in ours.
So we are happy and are sohappy, you know, that we could
(33:40):
find a company that could sourceit this way.
So you're either way, you're notgonna get that protein blend in
a synthetic one.
So this is the only way I Ithink you could get that protein
blend is this way, which is whywe use this ingredient.
And again, when it's morenatural, your body recognizes
it.
SPEAKER_01 (33:55):
That's the problem with you know, there's a lot of
controversy over supplements ingeneral.
And that's because a lot ofsupplements are synthetic.
Or that's also a problem, right?
They're using inorganicminerals, you know.
This is a problem too.
Even worse.
Water.
People who have well water, likemyself, you know, we have very
hard water, and it's like, well,but it's very mineral rich,
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except it's inorganic minerals,and our body Yeah, I have
mineral water too.
I mean, we have well, I mean, wehave well water too, and it's
very hard.
Yes, our body doesn't like, youknow, the inorganic minerals.
They want this, so I prefer likethe organic minerals from like
folgic and humic acids, youknow, things um natural because
our body will write, and that'sthe same thing in food.
It's just this is one of thereasons why pharmaceutical drugs
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have so many side effects,because they will take a natural
ingredient that's come fromnature, right?
Like aspirin, for example, likethe salicylic acid eventually,
you know, came from willow bark,right?
And and they found, okay, thisis what's the active ingredient.
So we'll just make this as amedicine.
But if you, you know, back inthe day when these, you know,
(34:59):
the healers, they would take thebark, you know, and boil it
down, but they're using all ofthe ingredients.
It's the difference betweenhaving an apple and apple juice,
right?
Because apple juice is allsugar.
You've removed the fiber, you'veremoved some of the
phytonutrients, so you're notgetting, so you get much more of
a sugar spike with the juiceversus an apple.
(35:21):
Like when you take the, youknow, everything is Mother
Nature has made things in thesein the in these recipes, right?
Because that's how they all worktogether, right?
You can't have bread with justflour.
unknown (35:34):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (35:35):
Right, yeah, right, of course.
And the yeast.
I mean the whole part, yeah.
Exactly.
So with this hydroxy appetite,it has the complete protein.
It doesn't have like just thesynthetic version of calcium and
phosphorus.
And then your, yeah, you likeyou said, your body doesn't
fully recognize the syntheticversion.
And then even with supplements,you don't know how it's
affecting your body.
Like, how is your body absorbingthese nutrients if it doesn't
(35:56):
fully recognize it?
With our protein blend that wehave in the hydroxyapatite, it
also tells it more accuratelytells the phosphor and calcium
where to go because it it's morerecognized by the body how your
hydro how your enamel is builtanyway.
SPEAKER_02 (36:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:12):
I love how you said that because we talk about that
a lot of times with um peoplecome in and they have, you know,
they're on calcium because theyneed to have strong bones.
They're on calcium and vitaminD.
It's like that's great.
But without the vitamin K,without the vitamin A, without
your magnesium, the calciumdoesn't know where to go, right?
SPEAKER_00 (36:29):
Yeah, when people say they just take calcium, I'm
like, you can't just like that'sdon't do that.
Don't just take calcium.
You have to have the vitamin Kwith it, or it just goes into
the wrong places, right?
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (36:40):
Yeah, the vitamin K will pull it out of the soft
tissue, right?
SPEAKER_01 (36:44):
And put it in tissue.
SPEAKER_02 (36:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:47):
So yeah, nothing, nothing works in isolation, you
know.
And again, that's where we getthe problems with a lot of
pharmaceutical drugs.
We're just pulling out that oneactive ingredient instead of
understanding how it works, youknow, as a whole.
So um, so tell us, is there anyany you've got this great new
chocolate peppermint flavor?
I want to try that.
That sounds really good.
(37:08):
Um that might be a nice stockingstuff for people.
It is a time of year.
That sounds really good.
Um we have those few toothpowders.
Is there anything else thatWonder offers or that you're
thinking about?
SPEAKER_00 (37:21):
Well, we do have um on our store, online store, we
do carry like bambootoothbrushes.
We carry silk floss that doesn'thave Teflon or petroleum on it.
We do offer mouth tape and pHstrips and um yeah, the band.
We have a couple books on there.
You've probably read them, TheDental Diet and uh the breath,
the breath book by James Wester.
(37:44):
Those are amazing books, by theway.
When I first read that breathbook, I was blown away.
I was like, by the first fewpages, I was like, what?
How much your breathing affectsyour whole body and your all
your health, like your hearthealth.
And I was like, what?
This is this is crazy.
Um, but it was it's such a goodbook.
If you really wanted to knowmore about having good, like
(38:04):
breathing well, that's anamazing book.
The dental diet book, I feellike was really good.
It was really simple in a waylike I could understand it.
Most people could read that bookand and understand what it's
saying.
It just was simple and like itdescribed how you should eat and
what the what the problem iswith how we eat now.
You know, obviously talked aboutDr.
Weston Price um and all hisstudies and how he's affected,
(38:28):
how we view you know moreholistic dentistry today.
It's because of him and thatwhole story.
So if you want that, that's Iwould highly recommend if you'd
like to read.
I gave that book to every one ofmy team members.
SPEAKER_01 (38:38):
And actually, good he's got a great uh graphic in
there that shows exactly how thecalcium, the vitamin A, and all
that work together.
And I've had to exactlyphotocopied that picture and put
it in many of my umpresentations because it's a
great example.
This is really showing what'swhat's going on.
So yeah, he's another personfrom down under, you know,
(39:00):
they've got it going uh downthere.
Yeah, he's a journalist, andthat is that is an excellent uh
like and it's a pretty easy readtoo, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:08):
Um yeah, yeah.
I like how it's like anybodycould understand that and read
it.
SPEAKER_01 (39:12):
Yeah, there's a lot to say.
Um James Nestor in May.
Uh he was at a conference I wasat, so it was great.
Oh, that's so cool.
Yeah, and still it's been five,five and a half, almost six
years, I think, since that firstcame out.
And he's still okay, you know,still people are just so one
book my my father actually readcut cover to cover.
He tends to like read a littlebit here, read the end, and like
(39:34):
he read the book.
He was so into it, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (39:37):
Um Yeah, it's so fascinating.
I was just like by the first fewpages, I was like, What how can
this even be?
How did how does nobody knowabout this?
Like you can change and likeimprove your health so much by
different ways of breathing, andthey you know describe, you
know, and then he heard thewhole thing of mouth breathing
versus nasal breathing, thatwhole conversation.
I was like, oh my gosh, likethis is so fascinating.
(40:00):
Yeah.
And now I actually for looked atmy own kids like for the first
time after reading that.
I was like, oh, they haveissues.
Like now I have one daughterthat's seeing an airway-focused
orthodontist because she hadissues.
My other son, I discovered had adeviated septum.
So we're trying to figure out hecan't breathe well at night and
he's always getting congested.
So now we we are going to see anairway-focused ENT for him.
(40:22):
Um, and I'm so glad that I wasopen to these things because I
had no idea, even with my kidsfor many, many years, like even
being healthy and whatever, Ihad no idea that I needed to be
looking for these things.
So if you're interested in more.
SPEAKER_01 (40:37):
The the first time I gave a talk at Cellcore, I was
talking to all theseholistic-minded healthcare
practitioners.
And what I just took forgranted, I was like, wow, even
these, you know, health-focusedindividuals had no clue about
the oral impact.
And I was like, wow, this isreally, we have got, you know,
another impetus to start thepodcast.
Because I was like, wow, even asthose of us who are highly
(40:59):
educated, who are in this spacestill, we still disconnect and
be like, I'll just let thedentist do it.
It doesn't matter, you know,it's and um so really impactful,
you know, trying to get thatthat awareness out of there.
And I love what he said.
I talk to my patients about thisall the time, the breath.
I'm like, it is free, it iscompletely within your control,
and it is the fastest way to getyour nervous system balanced,
(41:23):
because in my opinion, thenervous system controls
everything.
So we can, you know, eat acertain way, we can take all the
supplements, do all thebiohacking and all the tools,
but at the end of the day, it'sdependent on your nervous
system.
So learning how to breathe moreslowly through the nose is can,
you know, take away everyeverything else.
(41:46):
So now a lot of ourconversations start with let's
get that that breathing right sothat we get that vagus nerve
working properly.
You know, I think the whole ideabehind snoring and sleep apnea
has a ton to do with the vagusnerve and your parasympathetic
nervous system.
Learning how to breathe properlyin the day is going to train
your diaphragm to breatheproperly at night.
(42:06):
That's really good.
We have all these band-aidthings, you know, we have oral
devices, we have the C calls.
But again, what is thephysiology?
What's really happening there?
And a lot of it has to do with,you know, if we can retrain our
breathing.
You know, that's a big, youknow, it's not saying it's huge
thing, but that's a huge, hugecomponent.
(42:27):
Um, yeah, I saw a patient theother day has been on CPAP for
years, like the back of histhroat just was a mess, you
know, because you think air downyour throat was like so uh, I
was just like, oh my gosh, Idon't know how to get any space
for air because it's everythinghas been collapsed and pulled
and so hard.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (42:45):
I know.
And there's like simpler waysthat, like you said, they're
free.
Like if you just could educatepeople and they knew that they
could start taking control oversome of this stuff, it'd see
such a huge difference.
Like with like the whole sleepapnea thing, like you said, I
feel like and then you're ifyou're not sleeping, well,
obviously that's gonna affectyour your nervous system too.
Like that's gonna mess our likethat's your foundation, you
(43:06):
know.
SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
And like you said, with your kids, a lot of it, you
know, these structures andpatterns and habits develop in
childhood.
So when we can recognize, youknow, this is my my, you know,
I'm trying to teach all theother dentists out there, this
is what we need to look for intwo and three-year-olds, because
you can see the patterns very,very early.
Um, it's funny.
I look back at my kids' picturesnow, I'm like, oh my gosh, every
(43:27):
picture when they were babieswith their mouth wide open.
SPEAKER_00 (43:30):
I was like, I know.
I didn't even know that was aproblem.
Like, who who even knows thatthat's a problem?
They just think that that'stotally normal.
They're like, oh, mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Now I always recognize inpictures, I'm like, oh, that kid
has their mouth open.
Or you know, like you always seewho has their mouth open and
they're like mouth breathing.
You're like, I wish I could tellthem, like for their health to
(43:51):
retrain themselves.
SPEAKER_01 (43:52):
But it it is, yeah, it's getting more out there.
And again, that's why we likedoing these kind of things.
So we can podcast, we can, youknow, this is listened to all
over the world, which still iscrazy to me and amazing.
But again, that that I feel sopassionate about it, creating
that awareness, having theseconversations.
So people are like, oh, and themore they hear it, the more it
gets really entrained into thebrain, so that we start really
(44:12):
making changes in, you know, inthe healthcare system in
general.
So yeah, it's very exciting.
Yeah.
So as we're kind of wrapping up,is there anything else you want
to tell us a little bit aboutone or how we can find it?
SPEAKER_00 (44:25):
And yeah.
Um, I realize I know I'm gonnaanswer really quickly that
question.
You said, Why are you a powder?
Yeah.
And I am a powder, really justfor the reason that I don't have
to have any preservatives when Ihave a powder.
Because as soon as you had waterto make a paste, you have to
have some sort of stabilizer orpreservative, like it which is
(44:45):
normal.
It will water makes things gobad faster.
So we are a powder, so we canjust have the ingredients we
want.
So that's like the quick versionof like, it's not like I'm
against paste.
I'm more just like this, thisallows me to have a more cleaner
product, like allowing me tohave just what I want in there
and not having to have like afiller or a chem a preservative
(45:06):
or anything like that.
So that's why we are powder.
Um yeah, you can find us onwell, wonderalwellness.com.
That's our website.
Um, we're on social media, um,at Wonder Oral Wellness for
Instagram and Facebook.
And yeah, those are the mainmain ways you can find us.
SPEAKER_01 (45:26):
Fantastic.
Well, I've I've become a bigfan.
We've changed everything over inthe office with um.
I'm so glad.
Yes.
And folks, you can find it atDr.
Carver's office.
Um, yes, it's very enjoyable.
And I definitely're gonna haveto order for the holidays.
I want to try some of this.
SPEAKER_00 (45:41):
Yeah, try the chocolate.
Yeah, Papi.
SPEAKER_01 (45:43):
Yeah, I'm sure I think some people may know it,
you know, the cacao um reallydoes have a ton of
phytochemicals.
Um, I don't know that I knewthat it was, um, but it probably
does have a lot of good mineralsin it, right?
SPEAKER_00 (45:55):
And yeah, it does.
And has flat noids, I thinkthat's how you say it.
Yeah.
And it's it's one of the foodsthat has the most flat noids.
Uh, and that's really good foryou too.
SPEAKER_01 (46:06):
So all those good nutrients are unique chocolate.
I mean, I always used to be avanilla person, but now I'm
like, hmm, all good chocolateand cacao is, you know.
Doesn't hurt anyone.
That's fantastic.
Well, thank you so much, Jen,for introducing us all to your
great product.
Like I said, I am a fan, and Iit's and I've tried a bunch of
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different powders, and I reallylike the fineness of this one.
The I I personally love theunflavored.
You know, there are some peoplewho may be more sensitive even
to essential oils, even thoughthey're natural.
Um, but the unflavored isfantastic.
Um, big fan.
So yeah.
So check out the website,everybody.
Like I said, an excellentstocking stuffer.
(46:47):
You don't have to have all thoseweird knickknacks that you do
nothing with, nothing that willactually be beneficial for them
in the long run would would go.
Much appreciated there foreveryone, I'm sure.
Well, thanks again, everybody.
I hope you learned something inthis episode and we'll see you
on the next one.
SPEAKER_02 (47:04):
All right.
Thank you.
Hello, everybody.
Welcome back to another episodeof The Root of the Matter.
I am your host, Dr.
Rachel Carver.
And today we have JenniferRankin, who is the owner of
Wonder.
Um, is that the name of thecompany?
Wonder Oral Wellness?
Wonder Oral Wellness, yeah.
Excellent.
And is Wonder is a toothpaste, atooth powder.
There are different variationsthat I've been using a while
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now.
And I'm very excited forJennifer to kind of tell us her
story, uh, tell us about herproduct, other products that may
be uh in the making.
Because a lot of you know, um,some people ask me all the time,
what toothpaste do you use?
What this brand, brand, brand.
And, you know, I like to changeit up all the time, but I like
to have a couple of differentthings in my uh in my routine.
(00:46):
I think like everything, if youjust do one thing all the time,
um, that you know, maybe that'snot so good, right?
If we ate broccoli every singleday of our lives, maybe that's
not the best, you know.
Um, so but I really, really loveWonder for its um kind of
commitment to being natural, tobeing healthy, um, to avoid all
of the chemicals and otheradditives and typical toothpaste
(01:08):
that we just don't need to beclean.
So, welcome, Jennifer.
Thank you so much for takingyour time this morning to talk
with us.
Why don't you tell us a littlebit about your story and how you
came to be the owner?
SPEAKER_00 (01:20):
Yeah.
Well, first of all, thank you somuch for having me.
Um yeah, so it all started withme first being a customer of
Wonder.
I it was the first time in mylife I'd ever been introduced to
toothpowder, it was through thecompany Wonder.
I had followed this girl formany, many years first on social
media, and then I was on heremail list, and so I'd always
(01:43):
get her blogs, and she alwayshad, you know, wellness articles
and all the stuff that I wasreally interested in.
So I just kept following her.
We never met in person, but shehad a store with all holistic
items.
At first it was holisticcleaning products and sea
sponges and stuff like that, butshe added a tooth powder one day
to her store.
(02:03):
And so I saw it and I was like,tooth powder?
What is that?
So I was like, well, I'm theperson that would buy that.
So I'm like, I'm definitelytrying it.
I bought it from her, and thatwas my first introduction to
tooth powder.
And this was probably, gosh, Iwant to say six or seven years
ago.
So it was quite a while.
Then I just, you know, time wenton, I kept following her.
(02:26):
Um, she eventually converted herwhole store to oral products,
specifically tooth powder.
And now, over like maybe two anda half years ago, I went to the
dentist just with my kids andjust to like their regular
cleaning checkup.
And my son had a cavity betweenhis adult tooth and baby tooth.
And the dentist said, Hey Jen,if you get something
(02:49):
remineralizing, I bet you cansave his adult tooth.
And then the the baby tooth willfall out, so no worries.
And he pulled up some toothpasteon the screen.
I almost I didn't even memorizeit because in my mind I was
like, I'm definitely tryingWonder with my kid.
Um, so we I got Wonder for mykids.
They all started using it.
And then a few months afterthat, one day I just got an
(03:13):
email from Wonder that they weregonna close down their company.
And I was so sad.
I was like, oh no, I loveWonder.
I've never even heard of anothertooth powder at that point,
other than theirs.
So I at first I was just like, Iemailed them right away and
said, Oh, I'm so sorry you guysare closing.
Is will there be another one yourecommend?
Like, is there another toothpowder you guys recommend?
(03:35):
And and you know, they wrote meback saying, Yeah, we're gonna
we're have a plan, you know,we'll we'll try to figure
something out.
And then an hour later, Ithought, I wonder if they're
interested in selling Wonderbecause it's such a great
company, it's such a greatproduct, I love it.
I think other people love it.
I wonder if they want it to havesomeone else run it.
(03:55):
So I contacted them, notthinking that they would really
even respond, but they didquickly.
And they were like, Yeah, we'reinterested in selling.
There's a few other peopleinterested, but if you're
interested, let's like let'sstart talking, let's start the
conversation.
So we did that.
Um and all while this is like inbetween his next appointment.
So we still don't know what'sgoing on with my son's tooth,
(04:16):
right?
So anyway, long story short, um,I do buy Wonder and I take over.
And that was awesome, soexciting, and also did not know
what I was getting into in away.
But I love the product and I wasreally excited that I was
already a customer.
I already felt like bought in.
So it just felt like a gift tothen if I being a part of it.
(04:38):
I knew that I was already boughtin as a customer anyway.
So, anyway, my kids keep usingit.
We go back in the spring, youknow, six months later, and I'm
definitely so curious about thattooth.
And we go back and I'm like,yes, definitely take a look at
that tooth.
Do you remember, you know, thisis Joel who had that cavity?
And he's like, first of all, hejust looks, you know, with his
(05:00):
eyes and his mouth, and he'slike, Well, I don't see
anything.
I don't see anything at all.
He's like, I could do an x-rayjust to be 100% sure.
And I was like, okay, I do wantyou to do the x-ray just because
I really would like to know withthis tooth.
So we did the x-ray.
He's like, John, there's nocavity.
Like, you're good.
He said, Whatever you're doingis working.
And I was like, awesome.
He's like, I can definitely tellyour kids' teeth are
remineralized just by looking atthem.
(05:21):
And I was like, awesome.
So that was kind of how I gotinto Wonder, and now it's been
almost two years.
SPEAKER_01 (05:28):
Yeah, that's exciting.
And it's kind of like those ofus who dive into this biologic
or, you know, I don't like theword alternative, but more
holistic type of um uhphilosophy, I guess, that we've
we all kind of have our story,right?
How we, you know, kind of movedin that direction.
And um, what I think is reallyvaluable about this story is
(05:49):
that teeth can remineralize.
I think so many of us justassume that, you know, the tooth
comes in the mouth and it's justthis stagnant thing that we use
to chew food.
Every single tooth is its ownorgan and it is constantly
remineralizing, demineralizingall day, every day.
We have acid in our mouth.
We need to have the acid.
(06:09):
That's what helps start breakingdown our food.
But again, if we don't have theproper balance, if we're not
eating enough of uh mineral-richfoods, we're not using a
toothpaste that has minerals,you know, then we tend towards
the more demineralizing, right?
And so we end up having biggerand bigger cavities or more and
more.
And obviously, if you've beenlistening to the podcast, you
know there's a lot more to thestory.
(06:31):
But at the very center of it isthe fact that we can
remineralize, we can healespecially the starting
cavities.
You know, once we've broken intothe inner dentin part, that gets
a lot trickier.
But the enamel is the thickestpart of your tooth.
That is the white, you know,part.
And as we, you some of us willsay, Oh, my teeth are yellowing,
(06:52):
or so it can be, you know, somepeople think it's just staining,
but it also can be that theenamel is thinning, right?
Most of our food today iscompletely deficient in
minerals.
And so we are, all of us aretending more towards
demineralization.
So we, and and because of thetoxic environment we live in,
(07:12):
right, where the minerals thatwe may be absorbing in our food
is getting used up so quickly.
So we don't have enough to dothe repair that's needed because
sometimes we sacrifice our teethto save our internal organs.
So, and and there's so much thatwe can't control.
Why we can't control all thetoxicity on the world.
So, what can we do to helpmineralize?
(07:34):
And again, we listen to thepodcast, we know we talk about
food and certain supplements,but what we're using for oral
care is tremendous, right?
It makes, and as you see, as yousaw in in your in your child,
and there's a there's a bigpush, like you know, there's a
big talk these days all aboutfluoride, and you know, there's
two different parties and how,but the bottom line is people,
(07:56):
our teeth are not made offluoride.
There is no fluoride in ourteeth when they come from mother
nature, okay.
That is not what keeps our teethstrong.
It's the minerals that keep usstrong.
So, Adam, why don't you tell usa little bit about what exactly
is in this wonder tooth powderand why why tooth powder versus
paste?
SPEAKER_00 (08:16):
Yeah.
Well, first I'll answer thequestion what is in Wonder?
So we have it's only powders andit's we use bentonite clay, we
use microhydroxiapatite, we usecalcium carbonate, baking soda,
um, cinnamon clove, and xylitol.
And if we're if the certainpowder I'm making has a flavor,
(08:39):
it's with essential oil.
We add a little bit, not a ton,but that's kind of how you get
the flavor.
Our the one for kids, which isnot called citrus berry, has
organic strawberry powder in it.
So everything is flavored withlike a food grade, not no
natural, like no all like, whatis it, all natural flavors?
It's like there's no naturalflavors.
(09:00):
It's all actual food grade itemslike powdered strawberry, rock a
powder, peppermint oil, all ofthat.
So that's all those ingredientsare there for a reason.
They're there to remineralize,quote, like heal, I guess,
teeth, help your pH level, um,uh help remove plaque, you know,
balance your, yeah, like yourpH, remove staining, um, yeah,
(09:24):
all of that.
And specifically theremineralizing.
SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
Right.
And so why what's so specialabout bentonite clay?
SPEAKER_00 (09:32):
Yeah, bentonite clay helps remove impurities, it
stable it um purifies your mouthand helps balance the pH.
And and that's really, reallyrich in natural minerals too,
right?
Yeah, yeah, that actuallyremineralizes too.
I always like wait to talk aboutthe hydroxyapatite, how that
remineralizes.
Yeah.
But the bentonite clay actuallyreally remineralizes as well.
SPEAKER_02 (09:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:54):
And it's um, again, like really rich in those
nutrients.
Bentonite clay also, becauseit's so rich in minerals, it
helps increase the pH.
So the the lower the pH, themore acidic the mouth is, right?
The more we tend towardsbreaking down of things.
So if you can't have a moreneutral pH in your mouth, you're
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not going to put those mineralsinto the tooth.
So that's why we have bakingsoda, right?
Baking soda is something thatalkalinizes the whole mouth.
And again, you need thealkalinity in order to pull the
minerals and have them uh bebrought into the enamel and
actually, you know, form thecrystalline structures there.
SPEAKER_02 (10:35):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (10:35):
Calcium is obviously one of the major minerals there,
along with phosphorus and alittle bit of uh magnesium too.
But again, those are the thingsthat we find in the clay.
And so if you look at there areother tooth powders out there,
those are some of the basicingredients there, but then some
of them will add um, you know,other stuff that we don't need.
(10:56):
So you mentioned thehydroxyapatite, which, you know,
that can be controversialbecause there is synthetic,
there is non-synthetic, there isthe micro versus the nano.
Um what tell us what you knowabout hydroxyapatite and why you
use the micro.
SPEAKER_00 (11:13):
Yeah.
So what what we've landed on is,yeah, so you said that there's
like the nano, the micro,synthetic, non-synthetic.
We really wanted to stick to onethat was not synthetic.
So we use a micro hydroxyapatitethat comes from grass-fed um
cattle.
And so it's comes from thebones.
(11:33):
And we just felt the mostcomfortable with that.
We didn't really want asynthetic ingredient in our
tooth powder.
Also, another thing that peopledon't realize just having a
non-synthetic one, so the actualmicrohydroxy appetite that comes
from bone, specifically the onethat I get as well, because
there's different ones, evenlike different qualities.
(11:54):
But the one we get is made frombone.
And a lot of times companieswill take the bone and they do
it through this process calledashing, where they strip
everything away, everythingexcept, you know, and only the
hydroxyapatide is left.
The company we get it from doesheat the bones, obviously really
(12:15):
hot and makes a powder out ofit, but it's not so hot to the
point where it takes all theproteins out.
There's like peptides, proteins,even collagen, and all the
calcium and um phosphorus and alittle bit of oxygen and
hydrogen that make thehydroxyapatite.
So it's just a much betterquality from what we've been
(12:36):
able to do our research andunderstand.
We just feel really comfortablewith the product being basically
it's a food grade ingredientwhile still doing the work that
it needs to on our teeth.
We prefer not to have a nano atthis point from what we've
learned.
We're just don't feelcomfortable having a particle
that small.
I know that there are, I amfamiliar with some of the
(12:58):
studies coming out from Europe.
And, you know, there's a certainthere's a certain one coming.
If you get it from Europe, likethat's supposed to be okay.
And at this point, I'm just likereally happy with what we're
using.
I feel really comfortable withit.
We get it from New Zealand.
They have the highest standards.
It's like the cleanest andhighest standards of a bovine
like cattle there.
(13:18):
And we really trust the company.
Uh, we trust the process thatthey're using, and they're
maintaining as much as we can ofwhat you need for your teeth.
Like I said, the collagen, theprotein, the peptides, and the
calcium, the phosphorus that arein the hydroxyapetite.
So we just think that's gonnaremineralize your teeth better.
SPEAKER_02 (13:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (13:37):
And and our body recognizes things that are like
real food, right?
So it's really important.
And I think you bring up areally important point about
processing.
It's kind of it insulin made methink about seed oils, right?
Like you can sunflower seeds,you know, are okay.
All these seeds are okay.
When you make an oil, so many ofthese seed oils become bad or
(13:58):
rancid because you heat them tosuch high temperatures that it
distorts the proteins, itdistorts all these things.
And and you know, the bonds,everything in a in a biochemical
way, it becomes something that'sno longer recognized by your
body and it actually becomesinflammatory.
So that that whole, and thenyou'll see some things they say
(14:19):
cold pressed, you know,acceller-pressed.
And that's, you know, again, achange in the processing can
help something stay a little bitmore natural, a little bit um,
you know, healthier for us.
I think that's part of theproblem in the world today is
overprocessed foods, right?
Processing, we're like removingall the nutrients, you know,
(14:40):
because it may have come from,you know, a plant or whatever,
but the way that it getsprocessed.
Not add any more.
No, it removes all thosenutrients.
So it's it's so that's reallyimportant thing.
And it says a lot about yourcompany and the you know, the
standards and the quality thatthat is important because again,
we are putting this in ourchildren's mouths, our mouths,
(15:00):
and yeah, and like I saidbefore, there's so many things
we can't avoid.
So the things that we do chooseto use, you know, we want it to
be um as as clean as possible.
As far as the nano, I thinkthat's that's really important.
And I'm glad you guys haven'tmoved to that because again,
when something is so, so small,we don't necessarily know what
(15:21):
it's gonna do.
Is it gonna make, you know, mostof us are really, we have more
bacterial and and fungalmicrobial cells in our body.
What is that gonna do to thosethings, right?
That are so healthy andimportant for our immunity, for
our digestion, you know, our ourmental health and all that.
(15:41):
So, you know, we don't we a lotof things we don't realize are
impacting actually themicroflora and our microbiomes
in our body.
100%.
So that brings me to the wholeum idea of xylitol.
So, you know, I'm like, eh, kindof on the cheeks about about
xylitol.
Um, there are many, many, manystudies showing it's good and it
(16:03):
can improve our um lactobacillusand bipido, the the colonies,
um, which are really important.
Those are kind of like keystonespecies that help our gut be
very healthy.
Um they convert um into shortchain fatty acids, which again
are feeding the microbiome, soit can be really good.
And there's a there, like Isaid, tons of studies showing
(16:26):
that.
Then there are some otherstudies showing, well, it's a
sugar alcohol um and it can beproblematic.
I was researching this recently,and and a lot of the studies
that show you know the benefitsare done in rats who have clean
digestive alcoholic.
So so I think the few studiesthat you find that say, uh,
(16:47):
maybe not such a good idea.
And some of the other sugaralcohols that I think are are
are worse, right, are like thesorbitol um that you see
sometimes in a lot of naturaltoothpaste too.
And the the the issue is if youhave a diotic gut, right?
So if you have leaky gut, youhave an imbalance, you have any
inflammatory conditions, SIBO,SIPO, colitis, all those, sugar
(17:12):
alcohols are not gonna be greatfor you because you already have
this imbalance and those sh feedthe bacteria, whether it's good
or bad.
So if you already have anovergrowth of something, that
could lead to uh, but again, intoothpaste, most time you're not
swallowing this, right?
SPEAKER_00 (17:31):
You are just we do recommend swallowing it.
Yeah.
Just using to brush and then,you know, it's safe, it's safe
to swallow.
SPEAKER_01 (17:39):
But this is safe to swallow, but I see what you're
saying, yeah.
And I think that's an importantcaveat to know, and especially
for me too, you know, as it haspeople ask me that question all
the time.
And so, yes, and I do, you know,so many of us do have one degree
or another of the leaky gut, butthose of us who have that
diagnosed condition, that'swhere, you know, and again,
(17:59):
we're not really swallowingthis, but I think that's that's
can be the issue with the thesugar algorithm.
Like I said, lots of naturalones have sorbitol and
erythritol and the xylitol, andit's like, okay, you don't need
so many.
You don't need that manysweeteners.
Yeah, yeah, right.
And yeah, but you do have otherum and you do have different
(18:19):
flavors.
Tell us about the different Ido.
SPEAKER_00 (18:22):
Yeah.
So we have uh a peppermint,which is probably our most
popular one.
I think if people it's already,I think, a hard thing to sell
tooth powder because people arelike, why, why would I get tooth
powder, right?
Like I love my toothpaste, Ilove how it foams.
So we have a peppermint, becauseat least it's like, okay, your
your brain can think like, okay,I'm used to peppermint.
(18:43):
I will I'll try the peppermint.
So it is our number onebestseller.
People usually start with thatone.
Um, it is probably my favoriteone too.
We have a, we have unflavored,actually.
That one has no flavor, but hasall the base ingredients that
are good for you, like, youknow, the bentonite clay, the
hydroxyapatite, all thoseingredients that are
remineralizing and all of that.
(19:04):
We just don't add flavor.
Some people are extra sensitiveand don't want anything.
You know, I've also heard, I'vegotten feedback from people that
have texture issues.
They're like, we really like thetooth powder, or we really like
the unflavored.
We just don't like textureissues.
Or if our your kid has uh yeah,like texture issues, they they
might do well with theunflavored.
(19:25):
We have a strawberry, not it'scalled citrus berry.
It has straw, like thestrawberry powder in it and
orange oil.
And that was originally createdmore towards kids, but I think
anybody can use it.
My husband loves that one too,and my well, my kids do, and my
husband loves that one.
So we switched the name toswitch citrus berry, so it's a
little bit more like, hey,anybody could try this.
(19:46):
Like it's a gray flavor.
Um, I just came out with a cacaopeppermint, and it's kind of
like a holiday flavor, butactually, more importantly,
cacao powder is actually reallygood for your enamel as well.
We use a raw fermented cacaopowder and it's organic.
Um, so it's like a twist on thepeppermint with a little bit of
hint of chocolate, but thechocolate is actually super
(20:08):
remineralizing for your teeth aswell.
So we wanted something that wasalso going to be good for your
teeth, not just going for theflavor.
So we have that one that justcame out, and then we have a
whitening one, and it has allagain, all the same-based
ingredients, and we have alittle bit of charcoal in it.
We don't put a ton.
I know that can be controversialas well.
Um, but we don't, we reallydon't put a lot.
(20:30):
I would never recommend peoplejust using um charcoal on their
teeth, like straight up.
Um, it's actually it's sominimum, but we do put a little
bit in there just for peoplethat want to get extra staining
off.
SPEAKER_01 (20:41):
Okay.
I really like beyond theflavored.
And I I've tried a bunch ofdifferent, yeah, a bunch of
different tooth powders, andsome of them are I don't know
how to describe it, like toogritty.
Yours is very fine, very, veryfine.
Not gritty at all.
Like some of the other ones I'vehad are are very gritty, and and
some of them have um, I don'tknow how to describe the taste,
(21:03):
but not necessarily unpleasant,but not the best.
And yours is just so it's somild, I think, because it's so
fine grit.
Like I I love it.
I I like the unflavored verymuch.
SPEAKER_00 (21:14):
We do pride ourselves in like our our tooth
powders don't taste horrible.
You know, tooth powder, it's notlike it could be like dirt or
you know, but we do feel likewe've really tried to go the
extra mile to also have it be agood experience if you're gonna
use tooth powder.
It's already pretty differentthan paste.
SPEAKER_01 (21:30):
Yeah, you know, and I think what's interesting, like
the history behind cleaningmouths, it always started with
tooth powders.
Like that.
I know most people have no idea.
Yeah, it wasn't, I forget whenpaste came out, 60s, 50 50s,
60s, it's been like a hundredyears, a hundred between a
hundred and a hundred and fiftyyears.
SPEAKER_00 (21:47):
And Colgate, Colgate did bring toothpaste on the
market.
SPEAKER_02 (21:51):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:52):
Um, but before that, like for obviously thousands of
years before that, it's alwaysbeen powder.
And and and if you look back atthe ingredients, even from
different parts of the world,from like the Egyptians,
whatever, Europe, it was always,they were always using
mineral-rich powders.
Like it was the whole point wasto actually help your teeth and
add minerals back to your teeth.
(22:12):
Like that was the whole point ofcleaning your mouth with
minerals, like whether they usedeggshells, oyster shells, ox
hooves, like you know, all ofthat, myrrh and herbs.
It was always like they werealways looking for ingredients
because they knew these weregood for your teeth.
And now from what now what youget on the shelves is like, you
know, I'm not sure which ones ofthese are good for your teeth,
(22:35):
you know?
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (22:36):
But we all get in our psyche, you know, that the
if something doesn't foam, thenit's not cleaning, right?
We're used to it.
It's a problem where like soapfoams, you know, and all the
other things foam.
But, you know, that's uh most ofthat is from the sodium laurel
sulfate, which we know has a lotof uh, you know, negative
negative side effects.
And again, in addition to allthe other toxins today, we talk
(22:57):
about all the time in thepodcast, 80,000 plus chemicals,
probably up to 90,000 now, um,in the environment.
We don't anything we don't needto add, we should avoid, you
know.
So all of those products.
And there are no minerals intoothpaste in the in the you
know, the typical conventionalones we think of.
Agree.
(23:17):
Yeah, agreed, agree.
Right.
The the main brands um typicallydon't have that.
They have the SLS, they havefluoride, um, and then just and
colors and dyes.
All kinds of things that have noplace in our body.
Especially for kids.
Like, why are we putting dyes intheir mouth too?
No, no, yeah, just to brush outteeth.
(23:40):
We have now I what is it, thered 40 that's now the FDA said,
okay, we can't have that.
You know, so we're making thesetiny steps, but uh it's it's
unbelievable in in how much howmany of these ingredients really
have no place in helping ourteeth.
And you know, there's this bigcontroversy over fluoride, it's
just never-ending.
There was a huge push.
(24:01):
I guess I read an articleyesterday how simultaneously in
some really big scientificjournals came out about, oh,
there's this new big study thatshows there's no IQ difference,
because that was the big thingthat came out late in the fall,
right?
Which is fluoride causes IQproblems, blah, blah, blah.
Um, and so now all of theseother, you know, companies that
(24:23):
are kind of depend on fluoride,you know, there's there's so
much money and bureaucracy whenit comes down to these kind of
things and very little science,right?
And and so people are like, Idon't understand.
You know, we've been taught thatfluoride is the end-all deal.
But at the end of the day,fluoride is not present in
natural tooth.
You do not need fluoride to havehealthy teeth, and it can
(24:45):
potentially, you know, be adental.
The other thing that I'm talkingabout, yes, IQ is a problem, but
so many people today have havethyroid issues, are hypothyroid.
And we need iodine, it's reallyimportant for the fluoride, and
the fluoride will compete withiodine.
So if you think of a typicalAmerican diet and somebody who
uses conventional toothpaste,they're getting all sorts of
(25:06):
fluoride.
And if they're not eating a lotof seafood or not, you know,
they're not getting a lot ofthat iodine.
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00 (25:13):
And so I tell people all the time now, like, okay,
like, okay, maybe it maybe atiny bit of fluoride wouldn't
affect you, but like you don'tknow anymore what you're
getting.
Between your water, you know,like when you go out to eat,
everyone's you, you know, andyou're buying soup or whatever,
they just used regular water tomake that.
So it's, you know, everywhereyou're consuming, and then it's
(25:34):
in your toothpaste, you mightget the extra topical treatment
when you're at the dentist.
Uh, they used to prescribepills.
I don't actually know if they dothat anymore for kids, like the
fluoride pills.
Maybe some people still do that.
It's just so much.
And the more is not better withfluoride.
In fact, it's toxic at highlevels.
And that's why on yourtoothpaste tubes it says, like,
(25:55):
if you swallow, call it control.
Call it poison control.
I'm like, you know, our toothpowder, like, that's not gonna
happen.
I obviously don't recommend yousitting and eating the powder,
but it's not like toxic likethat.
Like, there shouldn't be thatmany toxins in your toothpaste
where like if you swallow toomuch, like you'd have to call
poison control.
SPEAKER_01 (26:16):
Like, yes, that's concerning, you know.
Yeah, at the most, if you ate awhole thing of tooth powder, you
could have a detox reactionbecause your body would suddenly
be flooded with all thesenutrients it's been missing, and
like all of a sudden everythingwould turn back on and your body
would be like, Oh, it's notgetting the minerals you need.
SPEAKER_00 (26:33):
Your body might actually like that.
It'd be like, sure, give me alittle bit of this.
Like, I could use the thecalcium and the phosphorus, and
yeah.
A lot of people are definitelymineral deficient for sure.
I think it's the biggest thing.
I I do think you could fit, likeyou said, like diet is such an
important part of it.
And just being happy you know,having enough vitamins A and K
(26:55):
and D would make such adifference, but our diet just
doesn't allow for us to havethat anymore.
No, you really have to like goout of your way and be
intentional, especially withyour kids.
You know, if you're you know,how can I get these nutrients in
their body?
Yeah, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_01 (27:10):
And it's very tricky, you know.
Little kids are not gonna beswallowing pills and all these
kind of things.
So, um, you know, starting inthe mouth.
And again, the other thing wehave to remember is by treating
the mouth right, right, we'regoing to cultivate healthy
bacteria in the mouth, right?
The mouth is not sterile, andthat is not the goal.
The goal is to have a healthybalance um, you know, of that
(27:32):
that good bacteria because we'reswallowing that.
We swallow about two liters ofsaliva a day.
So healthier, yeah, thehealthier that mouth is and the
healthier that microbiome is,therefore, then the gut
microbiome is is healthier too.
And then um, you know, you'regonna avoid those things we
talked about, like the SIBO andthe CIFO and colitis and IBS and
(27:53):
all those kind of things.
So, and we talk about all thetime, right?
The health starts in the mouth.
So this is very accessible.
And that's what I tell patientsall the time is the favorite
part of my job is that I canaffect the whole body and we can
just see chaining the mouth,right?
It's a lot easier to treat themouth than try to deal with
ulcerative colitis or something,right?
SPEAKER_00 (28:14):
Totally.
And I had I really didn't knowhow much I had been in whole
like learned a lot aboutholistic living and all of that
before getting into wonder.
But once I got into wonder, andobviously had to learn so much
about the mouth and how itaffected the whole body, I I
never realized how much themouth mattered.
It's where your gut healthbegins.
(28:35):
Like it's you can't have ahealthy gut, or you can't have a
healthy body without a healthymouth.
It's such, it's so crucial.
People have no idea.
Like, I didn't even know, and Iwas like into holistic living,
and I didn't realize howimportant the oral microbiome
was, how your body naturallydoesn't want you to have
cavities.
You know, it already wants to doit by itself.
Like without tooth powder,without toothpaste, your body
(28:57):
wants you to have, it's likenaturally made to prevent having
cavities between having a goodsaliva and or you know, good
bacteria in your mouth.
And we're constantly destroyingall the bacteria in our mouth,
like all the good bacteria.
I heard once a like a doctordescribe using mouthwash almost
(29:18):
like putting an antibiotic inyour mouth every day, because it
just destroys all the goodbacteria.
And we would never do that withand like regular antibiotics.
Like we know enough that thatwould destroy your gut.
You wouldn't want to do that.
So why are we doing that to ourmouth?
And then that is gonna affectyour gut, correct?
If you did that.
SPEAKER_01 (29:35):
And the biggest thing with mouthwash, we talk
about all the time, isspecifically we're killing the
bacteria that produce nitricoxide.
Nitric oxide is that moleculethat dilates our blood vessels.
So, you know, I read an articleonce it was like, Oh, is
mouthwash giving us a heartattack?
Right?
And that's it.
Maybe it is.
We've got to be careful, right?
(29:56):
In the mouth, you know, lessless is more.
The more we're trying to And andwe've got to get away from the
thought of all bacteria is bad,right?
We gotta kill everything.
No, no, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
You know, it's like then the last causes a huge
problem actually.
Killing all the good bacteriawill like mess everything up,
including in your gut.
Like destroying all your goodbacteria will be a huge problem
for immune your immune system.
SPEAKER_02 (30:18):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:18):
And I think this is a problem I see a lot now with,
and then we have a lot ofmedications, right, that are are
imbalancing the gut uh bacteria.
You know, I see a lot um withpatients that, you know, pretty
healthy, and now all of a suddenthey've got all this decay.
You know, what is going on?
That's differently.
(30:39):
That's so much coming from thegut and the imbalanced immune
system there.
So um, you know, it's it'salways hard for me to see that,
be like, oh geez, you know, it'snot about just brushing better,
right?
We have to, again, how can weinfluence that whole um and it's
hard if you you have to take allthese, you know, medications for
(30:59):
certain things.
Again, nobody has to take thesethings if we if doctors really
understood more about the rootcause of these diseases.
But um for people who are onthem, you know, uh a lot of
them, you can't just go offwilly-nilly.
So you could work towardsrestoring everything, but in the
meantime, you know, of coursethere's all these things that
can be negatively impacting us.
(31:20):
So um that's what I'm alwaystrying to preach to everybody,
right?
It's all about balance, balance,balance, balance.
You know, nobody's ever gonna beperfect.
But again, how do we and that'sthe biggest nutrient.
If my my kids, you know, in thepast I've given them so many
supplements and now they'reteenagers, they want nothing.
Um at the very least, I givethem a mineral tablet every day.
(31:41):
I'm like, if you do not eat, youcan take minerals because that
is the right.
SPEAKER_00 (31:48):
We're just not even getting enough just what even if
you're eating like fruits andvegetables, unfortunately, even
those just don't have theminerals they used to.
So it's unfortunate, like thebroccoli now, I guess, is not
the same as broccoli 200 yearsago.
And I think it depends what soilit was grown in.
That's a whole otherconversation.
But like just getting your kidsto eat broccoli is hard enough.
(32:08):
And then you're like, well, isthis even like nutrients?
Is like, does it even have thenutrients in it?
SPEAKER_01 (32:12):
It's 100%.
That's why it's so importantthat you are sourcing these
places, like New Zealand.
They're known for their, youknow, really oh, that's where I
get all my liver capsules from.
You know, everything they'rethey're known for their, you
know, healthy, natural,regenerative type of practices
that are keeping them soilbecause, you know, what are the
cows eating, right?
(32:33):
It's not just about differentways nicely, but are they, you
know, what are they eating?
Are they having the the freshair?
They have the freedom to roam,all of those things, right?
We talk a lot about on thepodcast about you know the
mental, emotional, spiritual.
And, you know, even if maybe acow's getting organic fed, but
if it's in a big pen and itcan't ever get outside and
(32:53):
they're, you know, salad, youknow.
Yeah, they're not happy.
Yeah, they're supposed to snug.
SPEAKER_00 (32:57):
And one thing I wanted to point about the
hydroxyapatite that I when wewere talking about it, it was
when you have a synthetic one,it's doesn't have the same
protein blend of like thebovine, you know, one that we
use, like the from from bones,because our bones are made of
hydroxyapatite, and so are ourteeth.
So when you just take it frombones from cattle that are taken
(33:18):
care of well, it has the proteinblend, like I said, the call,
like the peptides, the aminoacids, and the collagen still
mixed in in the hydroxyapatite.
When you're making itsynthetically in the lab, it
has, yes, this the syntheticversion of calcium and
phosphorus, but it does not havethat protein blend that we get
in ours.
So we are happy and are sohappy, you know, that we could
(33:40):
find a company that could sourceit this way.
So you're either way, you're notgonna get that protein blend in
a synthetic one.
So this is the only way I Ithink you could get that protein
blend is this way, which is whywe use this ingredient.
And again, when it's morenatural, your body recognizes
it.
SPEAKER_01 (33:55):
That's the problem with you know, there's a lot of
controversy over supplements ingeneral.
And that's because a lot ofsupplements are synthetic.
Or that's also a problem, right?
They're using inorganicminerals, you know.
This is a problem too.
Even worse.
Water.
People who have well water, likemyself, you know, we have very
hard water, and it's like, well,but it's very mineral rich,
(34:16):
except it's inorganic minerals,and our body Yeah, I have
mineral water too.
I mean, we have well, I mean, wehave well water too, and it's
very hard.
Yes, our body doesn't like, youknow, the inorganic minerals.
They want this, so I prefer likethe organic minerals from like
folgic and humic acids, youknow, things um natural because
our body will write, and that'sthe same thing in food.
It's just this is one of thereasons why pharmaceutical drugs
(34:38):
have so many side effects,because they will take a natural
ingredient that's come fromnature, right?
Like aspirin, for example, likethe salicylic acid eventually,
you know, came from willow bark,right?
And and they found, okay, thisis what's the active ingredient.
So we'll just make this as amedicine.
But if you, you know, back inthe day when these, you know,
(34:59):
the healers, they would take thebark, you know, and boil it
down, but they're using all ofthe ingredients.
It's the difference betweenhaving an apple and apple juice,
right?
Because apple juice is allsugar.
You've removed the fiber, you'veremoved some of the
phytonutrients, so you're notgetting, so you get much more of
a sugar spike with the juiceversus an apple.
(35:21):
Like when you take the, youknow, everything is Mother
Nature has made things in thesein the in these recipes, right?
Because that's how they all worktogether, right?
You can't have bread with justflour.
unknown (35:34):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (35:35):
Right, yeah, right, of course.
And the yeast.
I mean the whole part, yeah.
Exactly.
So with this hydroxy appetite,it has the complete protein.
It doesn't have like just thesynthetic version of calcium and
phosphorus.
And then your, yeah, you likeyou said, your body doesn't
fully recognize the syntheticversion.
And then even with supplements,you don't know how it's
affecting your body.
Like, how is your body absorbingthese nutrients if it doesn't
(35:56):
fully recognize it?
With our protein blend that wehave in the hydroxyapatite, it
also tells it more accuratelytells the phosphor and calcium
where to go because it it's morerecognized by the body how your
hydro how your enamel is builtanyway.
SPEAKER_02 (36:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:12):
I love how you said that because we talk about that
a lot of times with um peoplecome in and they have, you know,
they're on calcium because theyneed to have strong bones.
They're on calcium and vitaminD.
It's like that's great.
But without the vitamin K,without the vitamin A, without
your magnesium, the calciumdoesn't know where to go, right?
SPEAKER_00 (36:29):
Yeah, when people say they just take calcium, I'm
like, you can't just like that'sdon't do that.
Don't just take calcium.
You have to have the vitamin Kwith it, or it just goes into
the wrong places, right?
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (36:40):
Yeah, the vitamin K will pull it out of the soft
tissue, right?
SPEAKER_01 (36:44):
And put it in tissue.
SPEAKER_02 (36:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:47):
So yeah, nothing, nothing works in isolation, you
know.
And again, that's where we getthe problems with a lot of
pharmaceutical drugs.
We're just pulling out that oneactive ingredient instead of
understanding how it works, youknow, as a whole.
So um, so tell us, is there anyany you've got this great new
chocolate peppermint flavor?
I want to try that.
That sounds really good.
(37:08):
Um that might be a nice stockingstuff for people.
It is a time of year.
That sounds really good.
Um we have those few toothpowders.
Is there anything else thatWonder offers or that you're
thinking about?
SPEAKER_00 (37:21):
Well, we do have um on our store, online store, we
do carry like bambootoothbrushes.
We carry silk floss that doesn'thave Teflon or petroleum on it.
We do offer mouth tape and pHstrips and um yeah, the band.
We have a couple books on there.
You've probably read them, TheDental Diet and uh the breath,
the breath book by James Wester.
(37:44):
Those are amazing books, by theway.
When I first read that breathbook, I was blown away.
I was like, by the first fewpages, I was like, what?
How much your breathing affectsyour whole body and your all
your health, like your hearthealth.
And I was like, what?
This is this is crazy.
Um, but it was it's such a goodbook.
If you really wanted to knowmore about having good, like
(38:04):
breathing well, that's anamazing book.
The dental diet book, I feellike was really good.
It was really simple in a waylike I could understand it.
Most people could read that bookand and understand what it's
saying.
It just was simple and like itdescribed how you should eat and
what the what the problem iswith how we eat now.
You know, obviously talked aboutDr.
Weston Price um and all hisstudies and how he's affected,
(38:28):
how we view you know moreholistic dentistry today.
It's because of him and thatwhole story.
So if you want that, that's Iwould highly recommend if you'd
like to read.
I gave that book to every one ofmy team members.
SPEAKER_01 (38:38):
And actually, good he's got a great uh graphic in
there that shows exactly how thecalcium, the vitamin A, and all
that work together.
And I've had to exactlyphotocopied that picture and put
it in many of my umpresentations because it's a
great example.
This is really showing what'swhat's going on.
So yeah, he's another personfrom down under, you know,
(39:00):
they've got it going uh downthere.
Yeah, he's a journalist, andthat is that is an excellent uh
like and it's a pretty easy readtoo, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:08):
Um yeah, yeah.
I like how it's like anybodycould understand that and read
it.
SPEAKER_01 (39:12):
Yeah, there's a lot to say.
Um James Nestor in May.
Uh he was at a conference I wasat, so it was great.
Oh, that's so cool.
Yeah, and still it's been five,five and a half, almost six
years, I think, since that firstcame out.
And he's still okay, you know,still people are just so one
book my my father actually readcut cover to cover.
He tends to like read a littlebit here, read the end, and like
(39:34):
he read the book.
He was so into it, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (39:37):
Um Yeah, it's so fascinating.
I was just like by the first fewpages, I was like, What how can
this even be?
How did how does nobody knowabout this?
Like you can change and likeimprove your health so much by
different ways of breathing, andthey you know describe, you
know, and then he heard thewhole thing of mouth breathing
versus nasal breathing, thatwhole conversation.
I was like, oh my gosh, likethis is so fascinating.
(40:00):
Yeah.
And now I actually for looked atmy own kids like for the first
time after reading that.
I was like, oh, they haveissues.
Like now I have one daughterthat's seeing an airway-focused
orthodontist because she hadissues.
My other son, I discovered had adeviated septum.
So we're trying to figure out hecan't breathe well at night and
he's always getting congested.
So now we we are going to see anairway-focused ENT for him.
(40:22):
Um, and I'm so glad that I wasopen to these things because I
had no idea, even with my kidsfor many, many years, like even
being healthy and whatever, Ihad no idea that I needed to be
looking for these things.
So if you're interested in more.
SPEAKER_01 (40:37):
The the first time I gave a talk at Cellcore, I was
talking to all theseholistic-minded healthcare
practitioners.
And what I just took forgranted, I was like, wow, even
these, you know, health-focusedindividuals had no clue about
the oral impact.
And I was like, wow, this isreally, we have got, you know,
another impetus to start thepodcast.
Because I was like, wow, even asthose of us who are highly
(40:59):
educated, who are in this spacestill, we still disconnect and
be like, I'll just let thedentist do it.
It doesn't matter, you know,it's and um so really impactful,
you know, trying to get thatthat awareness out of there.
And I love what he said.
I talk to my patients about thisall the time, the breath.
I'm like, it is free, it iscompletely within your control,
and it is the fastest way to getyour nervous system balanced,
(41:23):
because in my opinion, thenervous system controls
everything.
So we can, you know, eat acertain way, we can take all the
supplements, do all thebiohacking and all the tools,
but at the end of the day, it'sdependent on your nervous
system.
So learning how to breathe moreslowly through the nose is can,
you know, take away everyeverything else.
(41:46):
So now a lot of ourconversations start with let's
get that that breathing right sothat we get that vagus nerve
working properly.
You know, I think the whole ideabehind snoring and sleep apnea
has a ton to do with the vagusnerve and your parasympathetic
nervous system.
Learning how to breathe properlyin the day is going to train
your diaphragm to breatheproperly at night.
(42:06):
That's really good.
We have all these band-aidthings, you know, we have oral
devices, we have the C calls.
But again, what is thephysiology?
What's really happening there?
And a lot of it has to do with,you know, if we can retrain our
breathing.
You know, that's a big, youknow, it's not saying it's huge
thing, but that's a huge, hugecomponent.
(42:27):
Um, yeah, I saw a patient theother day has been on CPAP for
years, like the back of histhroat just was a mess, you
know, because you think air downyour throat was like so uh, I
was just like, oh my gosh, Idon't know how to get any space
for air because it's everythinghas been collapsed and pulled
and so hard.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (42:45):
I know.
And there's like simpler waysthat, like you said, they're
free.
Like if you just could educatepeople and they knew that they
could start taking control oversome of this stuff, it'd see
such a huge difference.
Like with like the whole sleepapnea thing, like you said, I
feel like and then you're ifyou're not sleeping, well,
obviously that's gonna affectyour your nervous system too.
Like that's gonna mess our likethat's your foundation, you
(43:06):
know.
SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
And like you said, with your kids, a lot of it, you
know, these structures andpatterns and habits develop in
childhood.
So when we can recognize, youknow, this is my my, you know,
I'm trying to teach all theother dentists out there, this
is what we need to look for intwo and three-year-olds, because
you can see the patterns very,very early.
Um, it's funny.
I look back at my kids' picturesnow, I'm like, oh my gosh, every
(43:27):
picture when they were babieswith their mouth wide open.
SPEAKER_00 (43:30):
I was like, I know.
I didn't even know that was aproblem.
Like, who who even knows thatthat's a problem?
They just think that that'stotally normal.
They're like, oh, mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Now I always recognize inpictures, I'm like, oh, that kid
has their mouth open.
Or you know, like you always seewho has their mouth open and
they're like mouth breathing.
You're like, I wish I could tellthem, like for their health to
(43:51):
retrain themselves.
SPEAKER_01 (43:52):
But it it is, yeah, it's getting more out there.
And again, that's why we likedoing these kind of things.
So we can podcast, we can, youknow, this is listened to all
over the world, which still iscrazy to me and amazing.
But again, that that I feel sopassionate about it, creating
that awareness, having theseconversations.
So people are like, oh, and themore they hear it, the more it
gets really entrained into thebrain, so that we start really
(44:12):
making changes in, you know, inthe healthcare system in
general.
So yeah, it's very exciting.
Yeah.
So as we're kind of wrapping up,is there anything else you want
to tell us a little bit aboutone or how we can find it?
SPEAKER_00 (44:25):
And yeah.
Um, I realize I know I'm gonnaanswer really quickly that
question.
You said, Why are you a powder?
Yeah.
And I am a powder, really justfor the reason that I don't have
to have any preservatives when Ihave a powder.
Because as soon as you had waterto make a paste, you have to
have some sort of stabilizer orpreservative, like it which is
(44:45):
normal.
It will water makes things gobad faster.
So we are a powder, so we canjust have the ingredients we
want.
So that's like the quick versionof like, it's not like I'm
against paste.
I'm more just like this, thisallows me to have a more cleaner
product, like allowing me tohave just what I want in there
and not having to have like afiller or a chem a preservative
(45:06):
or anything like that.
So that's why we are powder.
Um yeah, you can find us onwell, wonderalwellness.com.
That's our website.
Um, we're on social media, um,at Wonder Oral Wellness for
Instagram and Facebook.
And yeah, those are the mainmain ways you can find us.
SPEAKER_01 (45:26):
Fantastic.
Well, I've I've become a bigfan.
We've changed everything over inthe office with um.
I'm so glad.
Yes.
And folks, you can find it atDr.
Carver's office.
Um, yes, it's very enjoyable.
And I definitely're gonna haveto order for the holidays.
I want to try some of this.
SPEAKER_00 (45:41):
Yeah, try the chocolate.
Yeah, Papi.
SPEAKER_01 (45:43):
Yeah, I'm sure I think some people may know it,
you know, the cacao um reallydoes have a ton of
phytochemicals.
Um, I don't know that I knewthat it was, um, but it probably
does have a lot of good mineralsin it, right?
SPEAKER_00 (45:55):
And yeah, it does.
And has flat noids, I thinkthat's how you say it.
Yeah.
And it's it's one of the foodsthat has the most flat noids.
Uh, and that's really good foryou too.
SPEAKER_01 (46:06):
So all those good nutrients are unique chocolate.
I mean, I always used to be avanilla person, but now I'm
like, hmm, all good chocolateand cacao is, you know.
Doesn't hurt anyone.
That's fantastic.
Well, thank you so much, Jen,for introducing us all to your
great product.
Like I said, I am a fan, and Iit's and I've tried a bunch of
(46:27):
different powders, and I reallylike the fineness of this one.
The I I personally love theunflavored.
You know, there are some peoplewho may be more sensitive even
to essential oils, even thoughthey're natural.
Um, but the unflavored isfantastic.
Um, big fan.
So yeah.
So check out the website,everybody.
Like I said, an excellentstocking stuffer.
(46:47):
You don't have to have all thoseweird knickknacks that you do
nothing with, nothing that willactually be beneficial for them
in the long run would would go.
Much appreciated there foreveryone, I'm sure.
Well, thanks again, everybody.
I hope you learned something inthis episode and we'll see you
on the next one.
SPEAKER_02 (47:04):
All right.
Thank you.
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As Director of The Men’s Clinic at UCLA, Dr. Jesse Mills has spent his career helping men understand their bodies, their hormones, and their health. Now he’s bringing that expertise to The Male Room — a podcast where data-driven medicine meets common sense. Each episode separates fact from hype, science from snake oil, and gives men the tools to live longer, stronger, and happier lives. With candor, humor, and real-world experience from the exam room and the operating room, Dr. Mills breaks down the latest health headlines, dissects trends, and explains what actually works — and what doesn’t. Smart, straightforward, and entertaining, The Male Room is the show that helps men take charge of their health without the jargon.