Toxic Bucket Overflow: How to Empty It Before It Breaks You With Spencer Feldman

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Dr. Carver (00:00):
Hello everybody, welcome back to another episode
of the Root of the Matter.
I am your host, dr RachelCarver, and today we're
continuing our series on detox.
We are fortunate to haveSpencer Feldman with us today,
who is the founder andformulator of RemedyLink.
This is a company thatspecializes in handcrafted detox

(00:21):
products, specifically a lot ofsuppositories, which I think is
a very unique, easy way to getsome of these remedies into our
body.
He's very committed to quality,using salt-free extracts made
in his state-of-the-art lab inOregon.
So thank you, spencer, andwelcome.

Spencer Feldman (00:40):
Thanks for having me, Rachaele.

Dr. Carver (00:41):
So tell me a little bit about your story.
How did you get into being aformulator, a founder?

So when I was I graduated with a mathematics
degree and I didn't want to bean actuary.
I was in New York City and Igrabbed the Yellow Pages of New
York back when you used to haveYellow Pages which is like this
thick, and I went fromaccountant to zookeeper and I
couldn't find anything.
That nothing jumped out at meand I'm like, oh my god, I'm

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lost in this world, there'snothing for me here.
And then the in.
But I had an interest inalternative medicine.
So I got a dark fieldmicroscope 30 years ago and I
started doing av and I went toacupuncture school and I did all
these things.
And then the internet comesalong, and 20, what 25?
Years ago.
And I have access to medicaljournals translated from all

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sorts of languages from all overthe world.
And I'm up till 1, 2 in themorning every night, every
morning, just researchinganything that kind of comes to
mind.
And what I found was there,there's a kind of a gap in the
human medical situation.
Right, we've got lab workersand researchers in white coats

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focusing on one very small partof the puzzle that in some maybe
very obscure, very technicalway, and then they publish it.
But there's no, there's nobodyout there necessarily looking at
all of these different piecesand saying, if this is a puzzle,
how do all the puzzle piecesfit?
And then we've got the thingsthat are patented by the medical

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staff, by the drug companies,so they can make a profit on it,
and that's fine.
But then that means things thatare unpatented or unpatented or
off.
Patents are not pushed becausethey can't profit them profit on
them.
And then we've got things thatare people that have conditions
that are maybe like an orphancondition, like someone's got
gadolidium toxicity right there.

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Nobody's helping them.
It's too small community.
And then we've got things wherepeople are injured but no one's
looking at it, because no onewants to admit that there's a
problem, because then there'sliability associated with how
they got a girl.
And so what I've been trying todo is just to kind of take the
view from 30 000 feet and say,okay, what do we need at a
species level to try to improveour health?

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What's being missed for reasonsof profit or lack of disclosure
or just because the pieces aretoo abstract to put together.
And that's what I've beentrying to do for 30 years.

Dr. Carver (03:12):
Amen and hallelujah and thank you.
We talk about all the time onthe podcast, right, there's over
80,000 plus chemical in theenvironment today.
Biologic dentistry is gainingmore ground these days because
we know dentistry is one of themost toxic professions out there
, and I was talking to somebodyearlier today, right, 30, 40

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years ago, yes, we had amalgamswhich contained mercury, but we
didn't have plastics.
We didn't have all of theseenvironmental toxins, right?
So a person with a mouth fullof amalgams it wasn't as much of
an issue as it is today.
And now there's so many of ushighlighting and creating this
awareness.
And again, it's not one thing,right, it's the combination of

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all these chemicals and toxins,and even emotional toxins, right
, that fill up our bucket andit's very hard, even those of us
who are aware of this.
How do we get this stuff out ofour bodies?
Right, and that is thechallenge.
You see, all over the place,right, 21-day detox, 10-day
that's just not going to cut it.
Right, when you are, you can'tdo a juice cleanse for 10 days

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and, yeah, maybe you feel better, have a little bit of energy,
but you certainly didn't reallyget these toxins out of your
body.
And there are so many differentkinds of toxins that we need
different types of detoxproducts depending on what we're
trying to detox.
So your website is amazing.
We'll link to that in the shownotes.
But there you have so manyprotocols.

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You have an amazing library ofvideos, which is great because
people they can have theinformation.
But really helping people dothis step-by-step is really
important.
So, just going through yourprotocols, ones that came to
mind that would be relevant foreverything I do is the heavy
metal.
I mean, they're all relevant,right, Because the mouth is

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connected to the rest of thebody.
I love that you have a mold one.
Mold is probably one of themost insidious infections.
It really suppresses the immunesystem and it's very
challenging to get rid of.
So to have guidance on that isamazing.
Same thing with liver detox,right.
I think nobody pays enoughattention to the liver, but
that's your major detox organ,right?
So if that's not working well,it might be challenging to any

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other detox.
We're going to talk about thesleep apnea detox, which that's
awesome.
Biofilms that's huge.
In dentistry, right.
We try to kill all thesepathogens, but the pathogens are
smart, right.
They build a wall aroundthemselves, so we need to know
how to break through those filmsso we can actually attack.
This is the problem with somuch excess antibiotics, right,

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All these we're not necessarilykilling.
We're killing maybe the goodstuff, but we can't get to the
pathogenic stuff because of thebiofilms.
You have a dental one infectionsupport again, really great.
So tell us like, if somebody Ithink we all need to detox,
right, so where would someonestart?

First I would ask someone was talking to me
and saying, from a consultationstandpoint, how I would ask them
is there something that isspecifically bothering you,
maybe something you've beenworking on for the last five, 10
years and haven't had muchsuccess with?
Or are you just saying, hey,I'm in pretty good shape, but I
understand that I could bebetter and I'd like to do some

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kind of general detox?
So most of the people that comeand see me, they're at their
wit's end, emotionally,economically, because they've
been sick for so long.
As a general rule, I would saya very large percentage of the
illnesses that we're seeing orthat are coming my way, the ones

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that people can't seem to beat,there are going to be
microbiome, toxic metals or mold, and that's a generalization,
right.
But those seem to be the threethings and I think the reason
why they're challenging to workon is because number one, we
don't see them, right.
It's like you don't see metalsunless you do a test.

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Nobody wants to go andnecessarily inspect their stool
and check their stool pH.
And then the mold is somethingthat you know there could be
mold damage in a house from aflood 20 years ago.
You can't smell it, you can'tsee it.
It's dragging people down.
And then I would say the fourththing would be sleep apnea,
which doesn't mean that you'rechoking.
It could just mean that you'rehaving a difficulty breathing

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and your sleep is gettingfractured.
And while that is as damagingas the other three, I find that
it usually comes from one of the.
It's a secondary, second orderof effect, but it's devastating
for people.
I like to work on those fourthings.
I like to make sure they'resleeping properly, their
microbiome is dialed in, themetals are out, and then the

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mycotoxins.
And when you take mycotoxinsout, you also take out chemicals
.
It's the same process.

Dr. Carver (07:58):
Lovely, usana, because on sleep apnea, in
dentistry there's all thisacademies for sleep medicine.
It's like becoming a specialtytoo, but we're so focused still
on the anatomy and less so onwhat are the other things that
I've found in my own practice.
When you're looking at these 3dx-rays, it's not all anatomical
, there's a breathing command,there's a physiologic component

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too, and I think sometimes inthe we're still deer in the
headlight, tunnel vision on someof these things.
So since we're talking aboutthat, let's maybe it's the
fourth thing, but let's I liketo know your website you talked
about.
Is it from inflammation in thetissues, which this is really

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interesting, right, because ouranatomy doesn't really change
that much through our life oncewe become adults, right?
And so how come at 20, you'renot snoring and have sleep apnea
, but at 40, you might?

Actually, one out of three kids snore now it's
true.
So sleep apnea and sleephypopnea.
For the people who may notunderstand what that is, apnea
means the breathing stops, youcan't breathe, and hypopnea
means there's a lot of it's hardto breathe in, it's laboring.
If you're running, you're stillbreathing, but you're not
getting as much oxygen if youwant to.
And unlike all other animals onthe planet, we speak, and that

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means that we have the mostunstable airway.
The cost of the gift of speechis an unstable airway.
The cost of the gift of speechis an unstable airway.
So we as a species are moreprone to airway disorders Now.
So that's built into the cake.
And then the next thing is ifyou follow the works of Price
and Pottinger, you know that weare four generations into

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destroyed soil and processedfoods and they showed that's
causing deformities in the mouth.
But the airway is an extensionof the mouth, you could say.
And so we're seeing deformitiesand they're changing goalposts
right.
Oh, that's a normal airwaycompared to someone 300 years
ago, and you'll see that it'shalf the size.
And then the other thing is wehave the inflammatory,

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infectious side of it.
Someone's laying in bed,they've got, they're allergic to
dust, mites and there's moldand as they breathe this stuff
in their airway swells a littlebit and then now they're
starting to have difficultybreathing in.
Now the medical establishmentsays that it is acceptable to
have your breathing stop fivetimes an hour.

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That's an example of movinggoalposts.
You shouldn't have yourbreathing stop at all all night
long.
You should never choke whileyou're sleeping.
But if you sleep, if you're inbed for eight hours, they're
saying okay, eight times five,you can choke 40 times an hour.
That's perfectly normal.
Okay, that's not normal, it'saverage, and we can't, we
shouldn't misconstrue normal andaverage.
Normal is what is appropriatefor the design of the system and

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average is what's actuallyhappening.
So it is average.
It's certainly abnormal.
Right, you can go and get a $500sleep study or you can go get a
$50 to $500 pulse oximeter andif you see your oxygen levels
going down below 95, you know,and your heart starts to go up,
right, sometimes the heart willgo up and then calm down and the

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heart and the breathing and theoxygen levels don't happen at
the same time.
But what you're going to see isheart rate going up and oxygen
levels going down.
That's a sign.
But if you don't want to dothat, here's something simple.
What are your dreams like?
Okay, you should have pleasantdreams.
If this should be nice, right,wandering, meeting people and
going through interestinglandscapes.

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But if you have a dream that'sstressful, that's the brain
saying, interpreting theinability to breathe properly,
right?
So now the person is strugglingto breathe, twice as hard to
breathe as normal, and it's asif they're running.
So how does that manifest in adream?
It could be frustrating You'retrying to do something, breathe,
but you're not.
So the brain dream manifests asyou're trying to make something

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happen that you can't, oryou're running.
Now, if you have a dream withviolence in it violence to you
or to somebody else, or there'sfighting, that's apnea.
That's when the breathingactually stops, because the
brain is saying I'm in a fightor flight mode.
And what is that?
It doesn't understand.
It stopped breathing.
So it makes up a story thatyou're being attacked or you're

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attacking, right.
And then if you're havingdreams that you know you can't
breathe, you're being heldunderwater, you're being
depressed, that's a giveaway,right?
So, and if you don't rememberyour dream, that's another sign
that's fractured dreaming.
So, if you have any of theseand it's something that you
should work on.
And initially what you can do iswe make a product called
Tessamet which supports the bodyin dealing with histamine.

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When you bring histamine downthe inflammation goes down.
But long-term you've got tofigure out what's going on, that
you're having, how thathappened and if you tend to fall
asleep and if you find thatwhen you drive a car it's really
hard to stay awake, that'sanother sleep apnea indicator.
So first thing would beinflammation would be the first
one, and probably histamine.
You can.

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If you actually take like afingernail in an office, you
would use a tongue depressor andyou give a scratch along the
inside of your forearm, notenough to be painful but enough
to leave a mark.
If it turns bright red, it getsitchy, it swells, that's a
histamine response.
That's an indication thatyou've got a lot of histamine.
And then you got to look atwhat's going on your diet.

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Are you eating fish?
Are you eating canned foods?
Are you getting histamineliberators like citrus?
So there's a lot to it, butthat's enough for you guys to I
think that's so fascinating.

Dr. Carver (13:22):
I love this, the dream aspect of it, because
because I'm sure at one point alot of us have had that feeling
of we're trying to run in adream but you can't run.
I haven't had that in a while,but I had mild sleep apnea years
ago and I don't think a lot ofpeople put it together with that
infantilation piece, which isabsolutely why children are all

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snoring now.
Our kids are already being borntoday with their buckets half
full.
200 plus chemicals are studiesshowing.

I believe that SIDS sudden infant death
syndrome in babies probably hasconnected to the inflammation of
some events that gave thembasically sleep apnea and they
couldn't get out of it.

Dr. Carver (14:01):
Yeah, that makes really good sense.
Again, interesting.
So yes, while we can make allthese devices and do CPAP and
stuff like that, we're still notreally uncovering the root of
it.

The main thing is you want to look at your
environment for probably mold ordust mites.
You want to change your diet soyou've got less histamine, and
you can't sleep on your back.
If you have sleep apnea, youcan get off your back and
there's a device called thenight shift that will kind of
give a little buzzing every timeyou lay in your back.
Because c-peps are horrific.
I don't think anybody likesthem and very few people a lot

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of people can't handle them, sothat's a hack that you can use
until you can figure out why youactually have the app I like
that night shift.

Dr. Carver (14:41):
I always say I always end up on my back in the
middle of the night and I waslike I need to use the little
tennis ball or something.
So I'm going to look into thatnight shift.
I think I've reduced myinflammation so much.
I used to have eczema all overmy hands.
I got into this whole thing fora good decade and I would get a
little bit better, but theywould always come back and so I
really cleared out a lot of thatinflammation and so my sleep is

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much better now.
Everything is much better nowthat I'm more aware.
But so, as a dentist trying totreat these, the sleep apnea, I
have a laser and we usehomeopathics and all these type
of things.
But again, that'll dive alittle bit deeper.
And that histamine isinteresting too, because so many
people now with the mast cellactivation right where the
histamine levels are so high now.

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So people need to be aware andwe'll put a link in the show
notes some foods that are thatthat create a lot of histamine.

You mentioned citrus we have a product called
tessamate.
If you take that before you goto sleep and then you suddenly
find you're sleeping much better, then you should consider
looking towards what you'rereacting to.
One thing you could do is I'msure you've heard of grounding,
right?
Okay, so I make a portablegrounder.
I'm actually using it right nowand it comes out of this, so I

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wear it on my belt and so thatway I'm grounded 24-7, or I'm
getting the 300 volts I wouldget if I were barefoot.
We make a unit that you canactually sleep with.
It's a mat and rather thanrunning a cable out your window
and into a post in the ground,it'll actually give you anywhere
from 300 to 18,000 volts at lowair.

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There's some of the things thatyou plug into your outlets, but
there's a lot of energy, yeah,but then you get dirty energy,
energy in those outlets Dirtyenergy you can get some dirty
electricity that way.
I'm sure there's a filteringmechanism that works.
So I don't like having that inmy body at night.
So what I do is I have a carbonfiber pad and we have a bigger
unit than this one and I turn itdown to 300 volts and I sleep

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on it all night long.
But you can also turn it up ifyou want to do some other
interesting effects in the bodyand that's so important.

Dr. Carver (16:51):
We know people have heard of grounding, get all the
good electrons, but most timewe're wearing shoes.
We're.
How often are we outside thesedays?
I love the idea of somethingportable.
Or if you're an environmentwith everything's on the
computer nowadays, right, and sowe're being.
The energy in our body is waytoo positive, right, we need

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more of those negative.
So I love the idea of that.
And again, we'll link you tohis website at the end so you
guys can see all.
He has all sorts of really coolproducts here.
So let's go back to againtalking about the detox.
So microbiome was one of theplaces where we want to start.

So when you take a look at the Okay, so have
you ever done.
Let me fix that.
Have you ever canned food?

Dr. Carver (17:36):
No.

Okay.
So if you ever canned food,hang on a second.
What you want to do is youdon't want to get botulism, so
you can only can acidic foods orfood that you add acid to it,
because the bacteria lactic acidbacteria, the good bacteria,
the lactobacillus it grows in anacid environment.
The toxic stuff, the stuff thatgets people sick, grows in a
neutral or an alkalineenvironment.

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Okay, it's the same thing forthe gut.
We want your large intestine tobe acidic.
That way you're growing theright bugs.
If you have a neutral or analkaline large intestine, it's
like a bad canning operation.
You're growing all the rightthings.
Instead of getting butyric acidand prokaryotic acid and lactic
acid and acetic acid, you getcarbide cadaverine and
putrescine and all sorts ofreally nasty things that come

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out.

Dr. Carver (18:20):
Now, this is a good point, and I just want to pause
for one second, because a yearor two ago, there was the trend
Everything had to be alkaline.
Right?
Alkaline water in your wholebody needs to be alkaline.
We've got to eat all thesevegetables to be alkaline, but
that's not true, right?
There are certain areas of thebody the stomach, like the colon
that need to be acidic to havethe right properties, and so
that's something I really wantpeople to understand that there

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are certain areas that aresupposed to be acidic.
We do not want to put alkalinewater right into our stomach,
and that destroys our ability todigest our food.
I just wanted to point that out.
It's important to know.

So this all tracks back to Arnold Areth and
some of the naturopaths at theturn of the last century, the
1900s, the mucous diet systemand all these things.
And yes, we tend to eat toomuch acidic food as a species
reading too much meat and toomany grains, not enough
vegetables.
That doesn't mean so they werecorrect to push us in that

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direction.
But you can go over.
You want an acid mantle on yourskin which protects your skin.
You need acid in your largeintestine and in your stomach.
You need acids in all sorts ofplaces.
So it's not that you want to beacid or alkaline, you want to
be the right pH at the rightplace at the right time.
So too much alkalinity is alsoa problem.

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Okay, so the way in which you,if you're going to measure your,
if you want to know if yourmicrobiome is good, you can
spend $500 and get a stool test,but it may not even have the
information that's most valuableto you, which is your pH, your
stool pH.
So here's the most importantthings, right?
You should have a good transittime.
That means from when you eat towhen it goes into the toilet 24

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to 36 hours so you can take ateaspoon of chlorophyll in, as
long as you're not copper toxic,and then see how long it takes
this tool to turn green.
Okay, just because someone goesto the bathroom every day
doesn't mean that what came outof them was something they took
in the day before.
It could be a week old and it'sjust all coming out, but it's
got a long transit.
So we don't want that becausethere's only a certain amount of

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time.
You want to have things inthere and you don't.
The kind of bugs that will growin a constipated person with
slow transit time will be thewrong kind of bugs.
So, number one, you want to getyour transit time moving
properly.
For women, that's mostlywalking.
For men, a little bit lessfiber.
If you can find the right types.
Some types of fiber willconstipate certain types of
people.
You got to experiment again.
But the other thing is youshouldn't need toilet paper.

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No, healthy animal soils itself.
We always hear of peoplerushing before a hurricane to
buy all the toilet paper.
I'm like, wow, we've got onesick country, because when your
microbiome is dialed in, you usetoilet paper and then there's
nothing there and you're likeyou just stop using toilet paper
because there's never Do youneed to walk around with toilet

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paper with a handkerchief toblow your nose all the time,
only if you have an infection inyour nose and it's constantly
mucus coming out.
I don't carry a handkerchiefbecause I don't have a sinus
infection.
If you don't have a bad gutinfection, you don't need toilet
paper.
That's a sign of a gutinfection.
Okay, the other thing is andhere's the easiest one what's
your stool pH?
So you can get some six toeight pH paper and put a pair of

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gloves on and press it againstthem.
The stool is very hard, breakit open, press it and get some
spot in the center where it's alittle moist, and then wipe off
the stool and look at the colorchange.
Now, turn of the century,before antibiotics, the pH of
infants that were breastfed wasin the fours, very acidic.
And then in rural Africa todaypeople are still eating, kind of

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a hunter-gatherer diet-ish 5.7.
If you check most peoplethey're going to be 6.6 to all
the way up to eight.
The sicker they are, the higherit'll be, and so what you need
to do is you need to bring thatstool pH down.
And what happened is they're themain, one of the most important
bacteria in your gut, kind ofthe keystone that starts.
Everything is bifidus.

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And if you don't get breastfedand or if you take antibiotics
because antibiotics wreckbifidus, it's bifidus is
extremely susceptible tovirtually every antibiotic you
take and wipes the bifidus outand those are the lactic acid
bacteria and the lactic acid isthe first acid that starts
acidifying the colon and then itturns into other things.
So it's like that's thefountain of health, the fountain

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of youth, for the colon is thebifidus and when that gets wiped
out, so we need to support thatand you don't need to buy
bifidus because it's alreadythere, it's just not being
supported.

Dr. Carver (22:45):
Can I ask?
Sorry to interrupt, but I waswondering.
I have a question.
So what about?
In a lot of the naturalproducts to try to heal the gut
we use a lot of kind of harshthings like oregano oil and
essential oils.
Have you found that those candestroy the bifidus too?

So depends on which essential oils you do and
depends on how much you do, andit depends on which essential
oils you do and it depends onhow much you do and it depends
on how strong the essential oilsare.
Right, so you can do, and wemake a product called Zoibin
that has bitters and essentialoils in it.
So if you were eating a naturaldiet 2,000 years ago, like an
apple 2,000 years ago was bitter.
Food was much more bitter 2,000years ago.

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And then we got rid of that.
We played with the genetics bycrossbreeding and made our food
sweeter and less bitter.
The sweets feed the bugs and thebitter is what kills.
The bug is your medicine.
So we've taken the medicine outand we've fueled up the
infections with the way we'vedesigned our food.
And then if you're eatingsomething fresh, then there's
essential oils in the food,because that's the immune system

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of the plant.
But if you know how many peopleactually have an herb garden
where they go and grab freshfood, and so by the time you get
it in the supermarket, theessential oils are all gone.
So we have a product calledZoibin which is a mix of edible
essential oils and bitters tosimulate as if and I have a deal
with myself that every time Isay the word I have to take some
, because it simulates as if youwere eating based.

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It simulates as if you're eating2000 years ago.
To answer your question inbalance, right, there's a time
and place for doing them at theright amount.
It's very.
There's not a lot of essentialoils you can take every day
without getting sensitized tothem.
A lot of them are tetragenic ormutagenic, so you have to know
which ones you can do and atwhat amounts that kind of thing.

Dr. Carver (24:39):
I think that's an important caveat because
sometimes you think, well, it'snatural, so it's fine.
But I've seen, I've had somecases where the patients are
with functional medicine docs.
Everybody's doing the rightthing, trying to get rid of the
bad, but it seems to go over themark.
It can create another imbalancesometimes.
So it's just becausesomething's natural again, we're
still.

Yeah, the cat mushrooms are natural too.

Dr. Carver (25:01):
Okay, exactly, alright, anyway, keep continuing
on how we get that pH.

Oh yeah, you take your stool pH and then we
have a protocol.
We've been working on helpingpush the stool pH back down to
normal or what I consider normal, and the protocol has
definitely changed to normal orwhat I consider normal.
And that protocol hasdefinitely changed over the last
year.
Because I'm still learning,which is what we call the
practice of medicine, right,because we don't really know.
We're still learning, it's socomplex.
I checked my stool pH the otherday it was 5.8, which means I'm

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just basically right there inrural Africa, right.
So we do have some protocols,but we're also I think I finally
got it dialed in now getting a5.8.
So we're going to be releasingsome products, probably in about
another six to eight weeks.
That will be our new andimproved microbiome protocol.
Basically, what you're lookingfor is there's a lot of

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probiotics, not probiotics.
I don't do a lot of probioticsbecause you get a stool test and
I say, oh, your acromantiamucophilia is very low.
I'm like, do you have one?
Like, yeah, I'm like, but ifyou feed it, won't it be 20
billion by tomorrow?
So why do you need more ofthese things?
So people are fixated on yeah,on the probiotics, not realizing

(26:10):
they're there, they're justsuppressed, so the deal is to
feed them properly.

Dr. Carver (26:16):
And I think you're seeing a little bit of that
shift.
Right, we're talking aboutprebiotics and postbiotics.
You're keeping up on the newestresearch.
So yeah, I've moved away from.

It's all about the prebiotics, because the
prebiotics feed the probiotics,so the probiotics make the
postbiotics.
So if you don't get the rightprebiotics, then everything else
will be temporary.
Now we do make a postbioticproduct for people while they're
building their microbiome, andso we and there are, and I do
take probiotics.
I'll actually take juice that Imake from my orchard and I'll

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take carrot juice and I'llferment some lactobacillus and
all sorts of fun things to drinkit.
But that's just kind of likefor fun.
The idea is really it's theprebiotics and the thing is when
you go to a store to buy them,they're just filling you full of
fructooligosaccharides andthey're getting the cheapest one
that they can get in bulk andsaying hey, hooray.
But what I did is I said, OK,if I'm a hunter gatherer and I'm

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eating wild honey and mushroomsand insects and shellfish and
all these things and connectivetissue, what would my prebiotic
diet look like?
So our product called Panaceumis a recreation of the
prebiotics you would get as ahunter-gatherer and you can see
that I think that way a lot.
I think about what did we dobefore we knew any better?

Dr. Carver (27:27):
How do we get?

back to the garden.
So we have the product thatdoes that, and then we have
another one coming out thatrecreates what would happen if
you were breastfed properly,because a lot of people aren't.
And so between the two of thoseand then there's a look.
Sometimes you need to go aftersome of the bugs, so the bugs
that like to be in an alkalineenvironment that's, some
parasites and candida and someclostridium and things like this

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they will actually make the gutmore alkaline.
They're not just hanging aroundwaiting for it to be alkaline,
they're participating increating the environment that
serves them and kills everythingelse.
So sometimes we have to go inthere and throw a monkey wrench
in their metabolic biochemistryso they can't make out.
They can't basically, so theycan't make ammonia, which is
what they're doing.

Dr. Carver (28:11):
Yeah, and that's a tricky thing, right?
Sometimes with the pH paper wesee this in the mouth.
Sometimes I was when I startedusing it.
Like I know, there were twopatients that really made me
scratch my head at first whentheir mouth was full of decay,
right, and I took a pH and itwas like eight and I thought how
can that be?
But there were so much bacteria, they were producing so much

(28:32):
ammonia that it was masking thetrue acidic thing, so that again
there are some nuances right toeverything.

Yeah, it's good that you caught that.
I call that a false or ghost pHreading.
The people are hyper acidic,but it's being masked by ammonia
.
Well done.

Dr. Carver (28:49):
Yeah, it's very interesting.
So the basic and I thinkprobably 100% of us or 99% of us
have some kind of disruption onour just because of the world
we live in.
So what I'm hearing or deducingis that really, starting at
that mycobiome, that's where weneed to start before we jump

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into.
As a dentist I'm like I'm sureI have mercury.
It never shows up on any test,right, because it's in my brain
tissue, it's in my bones, it'snot just floating around there.
But if I get my microbiomereally dialed in, which maybe I
be able to determine for mystool, would that be like the
signal that okay, now I can moveon to trying to release that

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mercury?

I don't do it that way.
I like to give everybody all ofit.
However, I do stagger them.
So I would pick one firstbecause I want to know how you
respond to something right?
So if I were to say, go aftermetals and the person has no
reaction to it, great, now let'sadd in chemicals.
Great, now let's add inmycotoxins.
And all of a sudden they'rejust rocks.

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Okay, mycotoxins, right Now theFDA makes you put on every
product you have, saying this isnot will that treat anything.
But they also make you say andit is not to diagnose why?
Because a good protocol isdiagnostic, right, if you give
somebody something that does,something that gives you
information.
So I want to get someone on asmany protocols as I can that are

(30:18):
not mutually incompatible.
But I want to do it staggeredso I don't lose the data I'm
getting each time I add one in.

Dr. Carver (30:25):
Oh yeah, so that's really interesting.
So, depending on how muchsomebody can handle at once, I
like that.
That's good, because some ofthem oh my gosh, I'm going to
have to be on this protocol forsix months and then this one, it
would take forever.

That's the reason I'll give them as much
help as you can.

Dr. Carver (30:40):
Yeah, yeah.
So tell me, so we can test thestool.
Is there a value in testing theurine pH?

Sure, what you want is stool pH.
I think 5.7, but anything under6.6 is acceptable, but the
lower the better.
There's a rule I want saliva pHat 6.8 for every 0.1 drop.
That's a massive increase inmetabolic disorders and you'll
see lots of people walkingaround with saliva pH at 6.4.

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And what you find is you'regoing to see obesity and high
blood pressure and glycemicindex control problems and
you're going to see all sorts ofcirculatory disturbances.
When that starts happening, themetabolic syndromes.
And for the urine pH it's goingto depend on what time of day
you get it, but a lot of that'sgoing to be driven by your diet
right.
So having your diet proper isgoing to be pretty important.

Dr. Carver (31:30):
The thing that diet is so confusing for so many of
us, right?
Because some people thrive on araw diet, some people thrive on
carnivore.
There's so many differentiterations.

Very few people thrive on raw for very
long.
They'll feel great in thebeginning.
A raw diet is a very clean diet, but it's also a very
exhaustive diet.
Right, we have outsourced tofire our digestion.
Now consider how much time agorilla has to spend eating.

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Right?
But what happens is fireallowed us to have a smaller
digestive tract and a smallermouth because it made food so
much more assimilable.
It also killed certaininfections.
Why can a vulture eat roadkilland carrion?
It's got a stomach pH of two orsomething, right.
Why can dogs lick water out ofa puddle and not get sick?
It's got a very acidic stomach.

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We don't have that.
We don't have super acidicstomachs, so we can get sick.
And because we've been eatingcooked food for so long, if you
suddenly jump to 100% raw,that's a change that happened
over 10,000 years.
You can't necessarily reverseit in one lifetime without some
consequence.

(32:40):
Raw food's great.
I did it for a while and ifyou're going to do raw food,
please do raw meat, raw fish.

Dr. Carver (32:47):
Yeah, and so what I was saying with that?
When we have the differentdiets, would a proper pH in
urine determine if you're on theright track with your diet?

That's one of the things you want to look at.
So the diet is very personal,right?
If you have a tendency towardsbuilding kidney stones, you
probably want to stay away fromthe oxalates.
If you have an issue where youcan't break down mycotoxins, you
probably want to stay away frommost grains you could do like.
Millet and quinoa are low onthe mycotoxin range.

(33:20):
You'd actually do better withwhite rice, even though white
rice is devoid of so muchnutrition.
You take white rice and thenyou're losing all the B vitamins
and using the bran and the oils, yet you're also getting rid of
most of the mycotoxins.
So the answer is always itdepends.
If you can do tubers withoutthrowing your blood sugar off,

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that's great, because then youcan peel it and you've peeled
off most of the mycotoxins and alot of the oxalates.
Diet's a personal thing.
There are general rules, but itdepends on what part is weak
for someone in particular.

Dr. Carver (33:55):
I love that and that's why I ask about the urine
, because I know I've gone backand forth trying different diets
when my eczema was the worstand I always felt the best when
I did a paleo type diet, so nograins, and every time I've done
environmental toxin mymycotoxins are like sky high.

Right, you could probably do millet.
The trick for millet is youhave to pan, you have to roast
it first and then cook it,otherwise it'll taste terrible.
A lot of people are movingtowards fad diets.
The carnivore only jordanpeterson and his daughter.
They are a carnivore, but whatyou find with people that are
carnivores is, after a certainnumber of years, often they
can't eat.
They become become allergic tomeat.

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And then what do they eat Now?
They can't eat anything.
And something interesting if Iever have a chance to talk to
George Peterson I think he's agreat mind I'd love to help him
if I can.
What I heard is that he got amold exposure working in a
relative's moldy house and I'mlike that's not.
That's not just that he has agenetic inability to handle mold
toxins, like that's most likelywhy he and his daughter do well

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avoiding grains, because it'snot the grain, it's probably the
aflatoxins and all themycotoxins in the grains Grains
are.
You know, what happens is westore them in these giant silos,
supposedly at 14% humidity, butthere's always leaks and they
could be in a silo for up to twoyears and so we end up eating

(35:20):
all this moldy food which, ifyou get a UV light and shine it
at that dark space, you'll seethe blue-purple glow on your
grains and your beans and stuff,and then the stuff that's got
too much mycotoxin, all of it,for that gets fed to the animals
.
But, and all of it, for thatgets fed to the animals, but
then we eat the animals.
And we get it that way becausethen it's magnified, and so
guess what?

Dr. Carver (35:42):
Meat is the least mycotoxic, and that's the other
really good point that I'vethought about for years too.
We're all allergic to thegluten, we're all gluten
sensitive, but in my mind I'mlike probably more all the
glyphosate and all these toxinsthat are in the mold, because
we've had gluten in our wheatfor millennia.
So it's more that.

Now, granted, the kind of gluten we have has
changed.
Another thing about gluten isit's a kind of simulates MSG a
little bit Right.
And so people who have MSGsensitivities that's because
they can't balance theirglutamate and their GABA and
that's because they can't andthat's a mycotoxin problem.
Mycotoxins, in addition tomessing around with estrogen and

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testosterone and hormones andkidney and liver toxic.
They make the person unable todetoxify glutamate.
So the glutamate problem isreally it's a mycotoxin problem.
So remember a moment ago I'dasked what's the proper meat to
eat.
I think there's really only tworeally good meats to eat.
One is grass-fed,grass-finished beef, right, even

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that's going to have mycotoxins, because there's mycotoxins in
the hay but it won't be beingfed moldy grains, right.
And the other is fresh wildfish, because farmed fish is
completely loaded withmycotoxins.
However, it has to be fresh,otherwise you're going to get
histamine growing in the fish.
Histamine grows in fish likethat.
You put a piece of fish in thefridge for four days.

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You better not eat it.
You can have a piece of rawmeat in the fridge for four days
.

Dr. Carver (37:12):
It'll be fine Interesting.

Very good tidbit.
So if you want to know what youcan and can't eat, do a 10-day
water fast and then add foods inone at a time and your body
will tell you.

Dr. Carver (37:24):
Fascinating and I've been saying on the podcast for
a long time, right, that toxinsand infections at that cellular
level which is really causingeverything.
So we want to blame all thesedifferent foods?
Right, and I got away from foodsensitivity testing such a long
time ago because I'm like it'snot necessarily about that.
You can never have that foodagain.

(37:44):
Right, there's a disturbance inthe immune system that we need
to remedy and then I can eatwheat now and I don't break out
in my eczema.
I don't eat a lot of it becauseI think I probably have this
genetic issue that I can't.
I know I have lots of detoxissues genetically, but now I
don't freak out every time Iaccidentally or if I'm out to

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eat.
I don't have to freak outanymore because I've healed my
immune system to an extent thatI don't get that major reaction.

I don't remember the name of the
naturopath, but he once.
There was a famous naturopathyears ago who said if you can't
get your client to go out to theball game and have a hot dog
and a soda without getting sick,you haven't really fixed them.

Dr. Carver (38:25):
I think that's a really good point.
I think the health isconstantly a journey, right,
because we're constantly beingexposed to stuff which is why I
really wanted to do this seriesand really talk about
detoxification that if you'renot doing something on a daily

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basis, you're accumulating thetoxins and at some point, unless
you have a really amazingimmune system, you are going to
have some symptom, whether welabel it eczema or Crohn's or
cancer or whatever it may be.
At the root of that is thatdisturbance in the immune system
, disturbance in the microbiome.
So we have to be doingsomething to detoxify our body

(39:06):
on a regular basis if we want toprevent these things.
That's my opinion.
One other thing I thought wasreally interesting.
So when we're talking aboutheavy metals, the common way we
talk about getting rid of thoseis chelation.
Can you talk to us a little bitabout what that is and how
heavy metal detox works?

So metals are problematic for a couple of
reasons.
One, there are metals you need,right.
You need a certain amount ofzinc and magnesium and calcium
and potassium and sodium.
These are all metals.
And then there's ones you don'tneed, like mercury and
gadolidium and lead and bariumand cadmium, and the problem is
they look like the ones you doneed right.

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So cadmium looks like lead, socadmium looks like zinc and the
prostate needs zinc, so theprostate gets full of cadmium,
and lead looks like zinc and theprostate needs zinc, so the
prostate gets full of cadmiumand the lead looks like calcium
and the bones need calcium, sothe lead goes into the bones and
so forth and so on.
So they mimic things.
Now the second thing is youknow what a catalytic converter
is in your car?

Dr. Carver (40:07):
Not really.

So a catalyst is something that it itself
doesn't change, but it letsother things happen much more
quickly.
It makes other things changemore quickly, it catalyzes them.
So a reaction that might happen, one reaction per day might be
a million reactions per secondin the presence of a catalyst.
The catalyst doesn't get usedup, it's just it being there is

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enough for that to happen.
So metals are catalysts.
That's why we have metals andcatalytic converters right.
So metals have catalytic effectson the body.
They cause things to happen inthe body that should not happen
and at very high rates, and thatcan be destruction of tissue,
that can be oxidation of fats.
So they're chemically alteringthe body at a very fast rate and

(40:53):
they don't get used up in theprocess.
It's not okay that one mercurymolecule used up in the process.
It's not okay that one mercurymolecule damaged that neuron and
now it's done.
No, it just keep doing it.
So we knew we want to get thesemetals out of the body.
It used to be when they used toalways put gold into fillings,
and then the german came by andsaid, hey, let's use mercury,
and the german name for mercuryis silver.

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And so the american dentistswere like that's crazy.
Mercury is a poison.
Why would we put mercury intosomeone?
And they started calling themquacks, from quack silver.
And the funny thing is now, ifyou take mercury out of
someone's mouth, you're a quack,and they don't even realize
where that came from.
So we've been playing aroundwith metals as a species for a
while.
Right, You've got alchemists.
Even the smartest guy that everlived, Isaac Newton, probably

(41:35):
killed himself with metaltoxicity trying to mess around
with alchemy.
So yes, there are ways you canuse metals to do all sorts of
interesting things.
But a lot of people thinksilver colloidal is a great idea
.
Silver is a toxic metal.
What are you doing Now?
If I had a horrific infectionand that was the only way I
could stop it, sure I'd take it,but silver is a respiratory
inhibitor inside the cell, so Iput silver along lead and

(41:57):
mercury and all those other ones.
I don't want it in my body atall.
So how do you get these thingsout?
The metals bond to the humantissue because they look like
things.
We need toxic metals.
So you have to have somethinglike the aluminum in the brain.
You need to have something thathas a stronger affinity for the
metal than your own body does,and that's a stronger affinity
for the metal than your own bodydoes.
And that's a chelator.
And for 70 years we've beenusing EDTA, but that's a 70 plus

(42:19):
year old chelator.
So there's a lot.
There are better chelators outthere and I found a few of them.
And which chelator you usedepends on what metal.
You've got soft metals likelead and mercury.
You've got hard metals liketitanium and gadolinium and
aluminum, and you don't want to.
You have to have the righttitanium and gadolinium and
aluminum and you don't want to.
You have to have the right.
You have to match the rightchelator to the right metal.

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If you use the wrong chelatorfor the metal, you end up
redistributing it, meaning yougrab it but you don't escort it
out all the way, and now itmoves someplace else and maybe
it goes someplace worse.
Maybe, maybe the body was ableto hide it in a fat cell
somewhere.
You take it out and then itdisassociates and now it's in
the brain, and that's much worse.
Better to not touch the metalsthan to take them out poorly.
Better yet to take them outcorrectly.

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So what is the right way to getmetals out?
There was a lot of research inthe 80s, 90s, 2000s,
specifically looking at thingslike how do we deal with nuclear
accidents.
And there are a couple ofreally amazing chelators that
came out but only were in labs.
Nobody made them available,right?
So I've made them available andthe idea is you say, okay, I've

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got this set of metals, I needto use one of these types of
chelators.
There's an order in which you doit, and then the thing that
most people don't understandabout chelation is you have to
have alkaline urine.
If your urine is acidic, thenthe chelation is you have to
have alkaline urine.
If your urine is acidic, thenthe chelation will break,
Meaning you'll get, let's say,you grab some lead and mercury
and it makes its way to yourkidney and now it's in the it's
in the kidney and then it getstowards, gets in the urine and

(43:43):
then the acid urine splits themetal off the chelator and the
metal gets reabsorbed back in,because the kidney's job is to
absorb minerals and it says, ohwow, let's go absorb some of
this sodium, let's absorb someof this calcium.
It just absorbed a bunch ofmercury and lead.
So you want to get your urinepH up to 7.5 to 8.0 anytime

(44:04):
you're chelating and preferablyuse the right chelators and a
lot of people are using terriblechelators.
Old chelators are causing Peoplethink using alpha lipoic acid
is a great idea.
Yes, it's a soft metalchelators.
People think using alpha lipoicacid is a great idea.
Yes, it's a soft metal chelatorthat will get into the brain,
but it will redistribute likemad.

Dr. Carver (44:21):
And this is really important.
Like you said, we need to beable to grab onto them and take
it out of the body, because it'sreally common to research.
That's why you know it's reallyimportant, if you're going to
have your mercury amalgamsremoved, that you get it taken
care of with somebody who isdoing it the right way.
And gosh for so many years andso many people are just having
their amalgams take down, all ofthat vapor and everything's

(44:43):
just going all over the place.
We talk about that all the time, obviously on the podcast that
you really need to go somebodywho is certified to remove those
safely.
Even in our best case scenario,some stuff can escape, even with
all our mitigation techniques,so I always use a binder.
So I'm excited to dive in alittle deeper and find out.

(45:06):
I've been using the Silcor'sheavy metal environmental toxin
binder, but I'd love to divedeeper and learn more.

Well, you want to stay away from most every
chelator that's out there,unfortunately.

Dr. Carver (45:17):
Yeah.

You want something with a strong log
stability constant, somethingthat, once it grabs on, is not
going to let go very easily.
Glutathione, alpha lipoic acid,all of these things yes, they
will bond to toxic metals, notvery strongly.
So if you're going to do a lotof the things that people think
are healthy for them are not, ifthey're metal toxic, they've
got to clear the metals firstbefore they should be doing

(45:39):
those things.

Dr. Carver (45:41):
Yeah, so important.
And the other thing isimportant like you mentioned,
titanium right.
A lot of people have implantsthat are titanium based or they
have the mercury amalgams right.
So you have to be careful.
You're trying to chelate, butyou got all that in your mouth.

That could be pulling it into other areas,
correct?
It's a tough decision.
Do you chelate someone thatstill has mercury fillings in
their mouth Optionally?
The first step is to make it sothere's only one metal in their
mouth no-transcript.

Dr. Carver (46:37):
The other thing I want to say when we're talking
about chelation which I did notknow and I thought it was
fascinating is that there arecertain supplements that can
interfere with chelation, andsome of the ones that you listed
are like.
Everybody in longevity andfunctional health is talking
about how all these substancesare the best.
So the ones on your website youlisted were quercetin, curcumin

(46:58):
oh my gosh, who doesn't talkabout we need curcumin.
That's like the end-all, be-allof supplementation to stop
inflammation the resveratrol,green tea and licorice and I
thought, wow, everybody'spromoting those all the time.
So maybe you can give us alittle information on that.

So the first thing is we don't want to put in
poor chelators.
Don't have lemon juice, becausecitric acid is a poor chelator
and we distribute right.
A lot of these acids will dothat.
So try to minimize the acids.
That's alpha lipolytic.

Dr. Carver (47:29):
There's no lemon juice in hot water.
That's also talked about fromthis thing in the morning.
Not only that metal's in you.

No, it's going to redistribute them.
And then the second thing isthere's a lot of supplements
that will inhibit the body'snatural detox pathway.
So there's you could say thatthere's four detox phases.
Phase one is called phase one.
It's a cytochrome P450, whereyou unmask or attach a polar
group to a toxin.
You're putting on a grapplinghook, you're prepping it.

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Phase two is conjugation.
That's where something grabsonto the grappling hook and now
the toxin is water-soluble,which means it can leave the
cell as long as it's fat-soluble.
It can't leave the cell becauseit'll get stuck in the membrane
, it'll get stuck on thecytoplasm, it'll get stuck
inside the endoplasmic reticulum.
It won't leave the cell right,or very slowly.
So you have to make it watersoluble.

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And once it's water solublethen, like the P-glycoprotein
and the other pumps, the ABCcassette pumps can then pull it
out of the cell right.
So phase one you're making itreactive.
Phase two you're putting in aconjugating agent.
Phase three you're pushing itout.
So supplements that interferewith those things shouldn't be
done, because you're workingacross purposes.

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You're mobilizing the toxin butyou're shutting down maybe
phase three, and it can't leavethe cell.
So take someone who has multiplechemical sensitivities.
They're upregulated, phase one,downregulated.
Phase two, downregulated, phasethree, up two and down two and
three.
Up one, down two and three.
Phase one temporarily makes thetoxin more toxic.
It's making it more reactivefor a split second.

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Then phase two puts on theconjugate agent.
But if phase two is beingsuppressed by mycotoxins or
they've just run out ofglucuronic acid and glutathione
in their system, then they can'tgo to phase two.
And so now we have this moretoxic, more reactive toxin
inside the cell.
Phase three is being suppressedso it can't get out.
So these people are gettingmore sick through their own

(49:19):
system.
So you have to be able tomanage.
Typically what you want to do isslightly lower phase one, at
least a mycotoxicosis.
Lower phase one, raise phasetwo and phase three.
That gets it out.
Then you want to make sure thatit doesn't deconjugate in the
guts, because that's the gutversion of reabsorption, like
happens with the kidneys.
So in the kidneys you want tomake sure that the urine is

(49:41):
alkaline so it doesn't reabsorbin the kidneys.
In the gut you want to make surethat the transit time is moving
and you want a little bit of aglucuronidase inhibitor so that
the enzymes don't split theconjugate agent away.
So it gets a little complicated.
You want to slightly lowerphase one if it's too high, but
raise it if it's too low.
So you need to manipulate thephase one.

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And then you need to givesomebody the right conjugating
agents, which are typicallymostly glucuronic acid and
glutathione, right, and then youwant to make sure phase three
is operable.
And then you want to make surethey don't have any gallstones
or kidney stones or bile sludgethat's going to slow the path
out while you're making surethat it doesn't split in the
urine or split in the gut, andthen it goes out.

Dr. Carver (50:22):
Okay, so just simple , right.
Again, guys, this may seem likereally overwhelming, but
Spencer's website is amazing.
You have so many videos and theprotocols are spelled out, so
don't freak out too much.
But this many videos and theprotocols are spelled out, so
don't don't freak out too much.
But this is.
I love this conversation andit's as much as I know about
detox, like this is new to meand again, I think sometimes we

(50:44):
over supplement.
We've listened and I'm totallyguilty of this.
I'll listen to a podcast.
I'm like, oh yes, I need thatone and I need this and I but I
may be these things can befighting each other, whether or
not they're natural, right, thisis the important point that
you're making is that we have todo things in the right order.
We have to understand theprocess of detoxification so we

(51:07):
understand that phase one, twoand three, so that we're not
counteracting what we're tryingto do, because that is the
problem with so many of us whoare talking chronic fatigue.
Right, those detox reactionsaren't working and when you keep
those toxins within the cell,you're destroying all your
mitochondria.

Here's a general idea, right.
First off, try not to take morethan five supplements at a time
, because if you do, you'regoing to overwhelm your albumin
and your albumin is responsiblefor transporting the toxins out
of the nutrients, and so more isnot always better.
And then the other thing iswhatever detox you're taking,
it's okay to feel bad for acouple of days, but within three
to five days the reactionshould start getting less.

(51:45):
If the reaction is just as bad,that's not a detox reaction,
that's a toxic reaction.
That means either the productwas not designed properly right
it's got alpha lipoic acid whenyou shouldn't have that, or it's
doing something to it's gotdoing something to the liver
that the formulator thought wasclever, but they didn't
understand the secondary effectsthat were going to happen with

(52:07):
the rest of his ingredients orthe product itself is actually
toxic.
So you get somebody who startstaking, let's say, an impure
zeolite, because zeolite comesout of the earth and maybe they
get it from a place wherethere's a bunch of lead in the
rocks and they did the acid wash, the zeolite, the company right
.
And so now you're taking thezeolite and the person's getting
more and having more and morebrain fog and feeling worse and

(52:28):
worse.
And the doctor does their urineand goes oh wow, look at all
the blood that's coming out ofyou.
No, that looks like you'reputting in with a bad product.
So again, and then these peopleeventually stop because they
feel like they're a failure thatthey couldn't handle going to
the detox.
No, it was either a toxicproduct to begin with, or the
product wasn't properlyformulated, or it wasn't

(52:51):
appropriate for them, orsomething was wrong with the
protocol.
It's okay to feel a little bador very bad.
If you feel very bad in thebeginning, drop the dosage down.
But the point is, when you finda dosage you can handle, it
should get less and lessdifficult.
That's the sign that you'redoing something good.
You should be gettingimprovements, not getting worse

(53:11):
and worse.

Dr. Carver (53:13):
And what would you recommend somebody to test for
heavy metals?
Is there one test that's betterthan another to determine your
body burden?

A lot of people like to do challenge
tests.
The problem is they're usingthe wrong challenge agents,
right, they'll use a challengeagent that will only do soft
metals, like DMSA, or they'll doa challenge agent that doesn't
really do the hard metals, andso they're going to miss things
and get a skewed idea of what'sin them.
I actually like doing hairanalysis.
Just understand that.

(53:46):
Any lab test you get, if itonly shows uranium, then that
means all the uranium andtransuranium elements are being
called uranium.
So uranium doesn't always meanuranium.
It could mean uranium or allsorts of other things in that
block in the actinide, leptinide, leptinide synth groupings.
Try to get a test that actuallyparses out gadolidium and

(54:10):
uranium and some of these otherones.

Dr. Carver (54:13):
That's interesting.
You say that because years ago,when I first started doing hair
tests, everyone in my family mytwo children, my husband had
outrageous levels of uranium.
It was over the end.
From that we just turned.
We live on like hard rock righton the edge of New York in the
mountains, and we found that wehad been pumping radon into the

(54:33):
basement.
So the first four years welived here because we had put it
.
We said someday we're going todo like a wood burning furnace,
right.
So we had a pipe undergroundand the contractor never plugged
it up.
Had I never done that care test,never, ever would have found
that radon, and who knows whereour health would be today.
But that's blocked up, butstill, and so in our water we

(54:54):
have very heavy water, and evenwith all the filtration we don't
drink that water but still have.
So it's interesting that yousay that could be some other
things in there too.
Now, what about, though?
In a hair test?
Sometimes I see that I'mconvinced the person, based on
their job or whatever, they mayhave a lot of heavy metal, but
it doesn't necessarily showbecause maybe it's hidden right.

(55:18):
So sometimes the hair test maybe not totally accurate because
you got to get all the minerallevels working properly, so you
actually start removing.

So would you?
If you see a hair test that hasno heavy metals or limited
heavy metals, but the majorminerals are out of whack sodium
, magnesium, calcium, potassium,and they're all skewed.
That's a very strong indicatorthat they actually have metals
that they can't get rid of.

Dr. Carver (55:42):
Yet yeah, so that's what we look at too.
Those are the four mainminerals that you use to
determine your thyroid andadrenals and your metabolic
typing there.
So that's what I look at.
When those are way out of whack, we know definitely that we got
to get those more balanced, andthen it's interesting, in

(56:04):
subsequent tasks you'll see, allof a sudden it seems like
you're seeing all these metalsnow that are able to be released
.
So you talked a lot aboutgadolinium and I think most
people probably don't know whatthat is.

But if you've ever had MRI, right, the
contrast agent that they usewith MRI some of the older MRI
machines that aren't assensitive.
Or if they want to really finetune some, they get a very good
resolution on an image.
They'll inject gadolinium andboy.
Some people just get theirlives destroyed by that stuff.

Dr. Carver (56:34):
And you wouldn't know.

That's not something that's normally tested
for, but if you've had multipleMRIs, Well, a lot of the people
who get gadolinium poisoningthey'll know they're like the
day after the injection.
They were never the same.
It all started right then andit was never the same and
they're definitely no, theywould never attribute it.
Oh no, they'll just say thatthese people are crazy.
They'll gaslight because it'sthey're.

(56:57):
They don't believe it and theyalso the ones who do know are
the ones who I've seen it longenough.
Unfortunately, not all of themwant to take the liability
emotional or or financial orlegal of having damaged people
like that.

Dr. Carver (57:12):
I know I could talk to you forever and ever.
The last little bit as quicklyis talk about the biofilms.
Right, in a lot of dentistry weknow oral bacteria is
implicated in almost everychronic disease there is and, as
we mentioned before, takingantibiotics doesn't necessarily
always cure the problem soquickly.
What is a biofilm and what'sthe best way to get rid of it?

We don't necessarily want to get rid of
it.
A biofilm is a community ofviruses, bacteria, sometimes
fungi and parasites living in,and if you look at it with a
microscope it's like a city.
They have waste transportsystems and fluid transport
systems and communicationnetworks and their own police

(57:57):
force.
It's a whole community, right.
And so when we started doingthe understanding of infections,
they coats postulates.
You take the infected person,fluid from the infected person,
you put it into somebody else,another animal, you get that
same disease you've caused it.
Problem is that works forplatonic infections, things that

(58:20):
like to free float in thesystem because you can pour it
from one tube to the X right.
But for biofilm, for sedentaryinfections, it's stick on the
surface.
It gets on the surface of thetube and when you pour it out it
doesn't go to the next tube.
So modern medicine didn'treally pay attention to these
chronic infections that grow onsurfaces.
Every surface of the body hasgot bacteria in it.
There is no sterile part ofyour body.

(58:42):
Your brain's not sterile.
No part of you is sterile.
People think that themicrobiome is just the gut.
We have a relationshipthroughout the entire body.
Even mitochondria is amicrobiome of its own.
It's another organism livinginside of us.
The whole idea of the germversus the disease, right,
rochambe versus Pasteur.
There are some times whenPasteur is right, when you have

(59:04):
some platonic infection, choleraor something that gets in and
just gets even healthy peoplesick, right.
So Schaub was correct for thechronic stuff that's sitting in
someone's body long-term in thebiofilm.
Now what a biofilm means isthat it can go inside.
The bugs can go inside and hidefrom the immune system.
The white blood cells try toget in there and they get stuck

(59:25):
in the goo and they can't go inAntibiotics.
You've got to get 10,000 timesmore antibiotics if there's a
biofilm, which there always is.
So what I would say is in anyinfection there's always 1%-ish
of the bugs that are dormant.
They're sleeper cells and theirjob is to say hey, if everybody
else dies, I'm not metabolizing, I'm resting, I'll come up for
air in a month and repopulate.

(59:47):
So you know the idea thatyou're going to make the body
sterile.
No, you're not, because there'salways things that are going to
live in the biofilm.
Now can you take things thatwill bring the biofilm down a
notch?
Sure, essential oils andbitters will take the, interfere
with the biofilm.
But to focus solely on thebiofilm.
I think it's the wrong idea.
It's not that there is abiofilm, it's what's living in

(01:00:08):
it.
What kind of biofilm do youhave?
So I want a good biofilm.
I want a healthy biofilm, fullof things that make my brain
work better and areanti-inflammatory.
And you do that by manipulatingthe pH and the redox values.
And you do that by feeding itthe right prebiotics.
And you do that by supportingyour body getting the toxins out

(01:00:32):
.
And is so.
For instance, why is it thatworms hate like?
Why do parasites and worms hateelectricity so much?
If you put, we make an advicecalled the electron charger.
It's the much more powerfulversion of a grounding device.
And when people put it on theirabdomens we had reports.
If you put high voltage, lowamperage over someone's abdomen,

(01:00:53):
you can get lots of worms out.
Why do they?
I prefer to get parasites outby asking them to leave.
Let's say you have a drunkperson at your party, and it's
one in the morning, and they'restill causing problems.
You don't wrestle them out thedoor because things will break.
You say hey, bob, you knowwe're out of alcohol, but
O'Malley's down the road here's20 bucks.

(01:01:15):
Why don't you go grab a beerand then he's like, yeah, and
out he goes.
So it's the same thing withparasites and a lot of these
bugs that are in us.
You can suggest that they leave, and one of the ways you can do
that is with electricity,because they're looking for a
compost pile and if we look likea compost pile, they're going

(01:01:35):
to hang around because that'stheir job.
Their job is to compost.
So how do we not look like acompost pile?
One of the things is we haveenough oxygen.
Another thing that happens isyou know our pH is correct.
Another thing that happens iswe have an electric.
We have a certain amount ofelectricity in us.
Dead things don't have muchelectricity because the
membranes are all broken.

Dr. Carver (01:01:55):
Exactly why we talk about root canal.
This is why root canal or deadteeth.
So the electricity is like zeroand this is why those bugs we
find those bugs associated withdead teeth, why we find these
bugs associated with thesecavitated areas in the job, due
to that low electricity.

Spencer Feldman (01:02:13):
They're attracted to it.
It's their job.
We'll fight them.
They're only doing what they'resupposed to be doing as long as
they think, as long as there'scompost, there's going to be
something that like, and so theywill gravitate right there and,
rather than try to fight them,to be like, all right.
So what do I need to do?
So there's no food source forthem?
Oh, then they'll leave or go tosleep.

(01:02:34):
I have a deal with all the bugsin my body.
All the bad bugs in my body arewelcome to stay, with the
following caveat they can haveme when I'm dead, wait until I'm
dead and then go ahead, but notbefore.
But that means that I have towalk the walk and talk the talk.

Dr. Carver (01:02:59):
I can't say, hey, you're bothering me now if I'm
creating the scenario that istelling them that I am fair game
.
This just really circles backright to everything that I do in
the mouth and I'm always sayingthis is why I love ozone.
Same idea with ozone, you'reputting electricity, direct
electrons, into the system, andso I'm always trying to think of
a person can't come in everysingle day to have ozone shots.
Yes, they can buy their ownmachine, but it's not feasible
for everybody.

(01:03:19):
So I love the idea of yourlittle portable grounder, right,
and I'm always trying to thinkof ways.
How do we get more energy inthe body, right, anytime you
have pain, right?
We get more energy in the body,right, anytime you have pain,
right?
That, to me, is the energy isnot flowing right, and I think
for myself, knowing you know,when I get really tired and worn
down, I'm like laying on myPEMF mat, I'm going outside, I'm

(01:03:41):
trying to increase thevibration, increase the
frequency in my body, dr JerryTenney, this is all he talks
about, right?
Increase the frequency in mybody, dr Jerry Tenney, this is
all he talks about, right.
If you keep a certain amount ofelectricity in your stomach and
spleen circuit, you will neverget breast or prostate cancer
it's about.
It's all about this voltagething, and what you just said is
, yes, when we have a lowvoltage, bugs are going to go

(01:04:03):
there.
They like that environment.
So when we think about, we gotto cut out the cavitation, we
got to remove all these things,yes, but how are we going to
also restore the energy in thatarea?
Pav, your little device?
Are there any other things thatyou think are good things that
help us keep our voltage?
Sure?

you can start taking systemic liposomal
enzymes to digest all thediseased and senescent cells
that are on their way out, sothat all you have in your body
are healthy vital cells.

Dr. Carver (01:04:33):
And what's your favorite enzyme for that?

I like seropeptase and adokinase.
We make it as a liposomalbecause if you take them orally
and it's not a liposomal, thenthe stomach's going to break
them down because they areproteins.

Dr. Carver (01:04:46):
I love that and that's one of my approaches to
periodontal or gum disease.
We use those proteolyticenzymes we use and then oxygen,
right.
We use oxygen drops.
We use prebiotic toothpaste,right All these things that
we're trying to rebuild and putback the nutrients in right, so
that we rebuild those healthybiofilms.

(01:05:07):
It's not just about killing,right.
It's really how do we createthe healthy environment so that
the bad ones don't overgrow inthe first place?
So that's where I thinkconventional mess industry
sometimes we just start managingstuff right.
We're not really solving theproblem, we're just trying to
keep things down, but it'scompletely the wrong approach.

(01:05:27):
So I think you've highlighted alot of really great stuff for
us and again, I could talk toyou for a whole another hour and
maybe we'll have to do a parttwo.
But tell us about your websiteand how people, if they're
interested I don't know if youwork directly with people or you
have practitioners that yourefer to if somebody is really
interested but wants a littlemore information or details

(01:05:47):
about how to get started, whatwould they do?

So the website is remedylinkcom and there are
I don't know 15-20 hours worthof video, much like what we've
just been discussing, just inmore depth, on very particular
topics, for the people that areinterested.
I'm not currently doingconsultations right now because
I've got a lot of products thatare taking my attention, but if

(01:06:11):
somebody has a question, theycan always just send me an email
saying hey, I'm working withthis and concerned about that,
do you have any ideas?
And I can connect with peoplethat way.

Dr. Carver (01:06:23):
And again, his website is fabulous.
The videos are really good andeverything we talked about he
has like a separate video foreach topic.
Thank you so much foreverything you're doing and
again, there are so many nuancesto this, but again we want to
do it the right way, sohopefully you can also find a
practitioner to help you workthrough this.
Spencer's background is amazing.

(01:06:44):
His products are great, sothank you so much for taking
your time today to give us a tonof information.
This is something people aregoing to have to listen to
probably three, four times.
I know I'm going to re-listento it as I keep researching,
because everything he's sayingtotally applies to the oral
microbiome too and creatingoverall health.

So I'm excited to dive in the oral microbiome
is just feeding the gut.
That's the beginning of themicrobiome.
We swallow bacteria in ourmouth.
You can work on your gut allday long.
If you're swallowing candidaand putrid of bacteria, then
it's going to keep getting tothe gut.

Dr. Carver (01:07:19):
And that's what I say all the time.
The coolest part about my jobis this is accessible.
It's a lot easier to treat themouth.
And again, why we're doing thatpodcast because people just
think, yeah, I'll brush up flopsand use fluoride and I'll be
all set.
No, it's a lot more complexthan that, but, again, super
accessible.
We can make dramaticimprovements in our overall
health by keeping our mouthsreally healthy.

(01:07:40):
So thank you so much.
I hope you all enjoyed thisepisode and we'll have all this
good stuff in the show notes andwe'll see you on the next
episode.
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