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September 11, 2025 β€’ 46 mins
Pat Kinsel went from years of painful struggle at Notarize to building Proof, a SaaS platform approaching $100M ARR with 230 employees and $260M raised. In this episode, Pat explains how a notary error during his first startup exit sparked the idea, why he validated demand with a simple landing page before building, how he endured years of slow traction and false signals, and what changed when he expanded beyond notarization to transaction security. πŸ”‘ Key Lessons πŸ’‘ Validation Strategy: How Pat validated demand with a simple landing page and Google ads before writing code. πŸ’° Surviving Negative Margins: Why losing money on every transaction nearly killed the company and how they fixed unit economics. πŸ“ˆ The COVID Spike: What really happened when demand spiked 100x overnight and why many of those customers churned later. πŸ›οΈ Regulatory Moat: How he spent years lobbying to change state laws, turning red tape into a massive competitive advantage. πŸ”„ The Pivot: Why he rebranded from "Notarize" to "Proof" to expand TAM beyond just digital notary services. πŸ“– Chapters Introduction & About Pat Kinsel Validating Demand: Landing Page & Google Ads Losing Money, Struggling for Profitability Lobbying to Change Notary Laws Origin Story: Where the Idea Came From Early Investment Experience & Industry Connections Initial Research & Testing (Unbounce Landing Page) Building the MVP: Mobile App for Online Notary Early B2C Go-to-Market Strategy Recruiting the First Notaries Educating and Acquiring Consumers Marketing Tactics: Google Ads, SEO, Channel Partners Long, Slow Early Growth and Doubts Breaking Even & Gross Margin Challenges Lobbying Strategy & Industry Support COVID-19 Impact: Exploding Demand Shift to Enterprise Customers During COVID Post-COVID Reality Check & Refocusing Expanding Beyond Notarization: The Proof Platform Enterprise Transaction Security & Deepfakes Technical/Engineering Moat & Compliance Lightning Round This episode is brought to you by: πŸ’– Gearheart β†’ Book a free strategy session + get 20% off select services πŸ“« Mailtrap β†’ Get 20% off with code THESAASPODCAST Resources: 🎧 Full Show Notes: saasclub.io/452 🎀 Subscribe to the Podcast: saasclub.io/subscribe πŸ’Œ Get weekly 5-minute SaaS insights: saasclub.io/email πŸ’‘ Join the SaaS Club founder community: saasclub.co/plus
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