Episode 25 - The Bible: Book vs. Film

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Step into the intriguing world of faith-based film adaptations with this episode of the Saints that Serve podcast, where we explore the complexities surrounding *The Prince of Egypt*. This beloved animated feature not only recalls the biblical story of Moses but also stirs a conversation about how cinema navigates sacred narratives. Discover how this film succeeds in captivating audiences while also prompting questions about its interpretations of scripture.

We dive deep into the nuances of creativity versus accuracy, examining the tension that arises when artistic liberties take center stage. As we analyze the film’s portrayal of characters and events, we encourage listeners to consider their implications on our understanding of faith and tradition. Are these adaptations simply entertainment, or can they genuinely resonate with our beliefs and experiences? 

Throughout the episode, we emphasize the necessity of being grounded in biblical texts in an era overflowing with images and narratives. We call upon listeners to engage actively with the scripture, reminding us that while films can inspire discussion, they do not replace the truth found in God’s Word. For those curious about other productions that claim to adapt the Bible, this dialogue opens a window into how we approach biblical stories through various lenses.

Join us for a rich discussion at the intersection of faith and film, where imagination meets interpretation. Your perspective matters! Share your favorite Bible movie or insight with us—together, let’s cherish our faith while navigating the landscape of cinema and hope.

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Episode Transcript

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Yeah, this episode will be March 3rd, I believe.

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Yep, so the end of March we're going to be doing a
online live stream worship night, and that will be the last
Friday of March, and then, whichI believe is like the 28th, and
then, man, if only we hadcalendars on our phones, but I
love how you reach for it.
I was like nah, I'm not goingto commit to it, but then in

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Jairus, that's right.
So that is my baby, that is mychild, that's right.
And it is, I feel like,appropriately called the Saints
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We used to do live streaming acouple of years ago and we had a
lot of fun and there werepeople that were entertained by
it, so we're just going to pickback up where we left off Pretty
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identity umbrella, it will bealso a continuation of regal
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streaming.
If that's your kind of deal, ifthat's something you want to be
entertained by, I amentertaining.
There you go, and most of thetime, john will probably be
there.
Yeah, but I'm along for theride.
I'm wanting to do it like amaybe, like a smaller Tuesday
night type stream type situation, like a small stream and then,
like an end of the week, largerstream.

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So like, maybe, like I'll do asolo gameplay of something every
week, yeah, and then our groupwill also be playing on the
weekends.

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Yeah, I mean, essentially it's a let's play
the Tuesday night kind of deal.
Well, the during the week Idon't know why I said Tuesday
night, but the during the weeksolo.
I mean it's just a fun,entertaining, let play.
And then the weekends is yeah,it's, it's.
It's less about the gameplayand more about the dialogue

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between the, between, betweenthe different character.
I hate to say characters, butreally that's what it is
characters that come on to the.

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Let's be honest, when you get up on there you do like
we all do, kind of exude alittle bit more different energy
than we do in normal socialenvironments and situations.
So anybody, anytime, you're notyourself fully, you're in like
entertainment mode.
Yeah, you know, then that's.
I guess you are a characteryeah, yeah.

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Basically, what we're trying to say is be on the
lookout and make sure you tuneinto that as well.
Yeah.

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So that is coming, yeah, so be prepared, then be
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That's all I got.
That's our announcements, so Iguess we're ready to dive into
our main topic for the night.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
So, tyler, this is your transition.
We are now transitioning intothe main topic, which is your
transition.
We are now transitioning intothe main topic, which is Bible
movies.
So we hinted at this last week.
So we we hinted that we weredoing something fun.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I think this is really fun and it is fun, but we
didn't say what we were doing.
And that's what we're doing.
We are looking at movieadaptations of stories from the
Bible and we're going to talkabout them, what we like about
them, but we're also going tocompare the differences between
the movie and the actual Bible.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
So how do you want to do this?
Because we all we me and youboth have agreed we're going to
have like a main one we're goingto talk about.
Do you want to do it first orlead up to it?
Let's go ahead and do it first,okay, so let's just go ahead.
And this is probably the oneBible adaptation most people
have seen, because it is a quote, unquote children's movie.
It's made by DreamWorks, yep,and so this is probably the one
that most people have seen, yep.

(07:55):
I have a list of a couple ofsmaller facts from other movies,
okay, but yeah, we're talkingabout the Prince of Egypt.
Prince of Egypt.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Prince of Egypt.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Prince of Egypt Deliver us.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Deliver us.
Yeah.
So if you don't know what thePrince of Egypt is, which I
would be semi-surprisedEverybody's kind of heard about
this movie.
Yeah, it's pretty popular.
Especially amongst themillennials.
Yes, yes, so this isDreamWorks' movie that they made
before they made Shrek.
This is the movie beforeDreamWorks got huge as a company

(08:35):
.
And a fun fact about that, whenthey were making Prince of
Egypt, if you were doing poorlyas an animator on the Prince of
Egypt, which was their highbudget film that they were
making, they would punish you bysending you essentially to the
portion of the studio that wasworking on Shrek.
Really, yeah, so if you weredoing bad, you got sent to.

(08:57):
What was Shrek was essentiallythe punishment movie, but Shrek
honestly unfortunately ended upbeing way bigger of a movie than
Prince of Egypt did.
Yeah, it's like a you knowblockbuster hit for some reason.
Yeah, but Prince of Egypt, Ihonestly think, is a better
movie than Shrek.
I like it.
It's pretty timeless.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
So Prince of Egypt, if you don't know, is about
Moses yeah, it's the first halfof Moses's story, which is him
being born, growing up, goingleaving egypt, going into the
wilderness and then god bringinghim back to deliver the people
out of egypt deliver us that'sright, it's also a musical.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
yeah, it is mutual.
It's got some banger tracks.
Uh, fun fact, it is the dudewho played Voldemort is Pharaoh
Ramses.
Really, yeah, ralph Fiennes.
I can't say his name, I nevercould, but the guy who played
Voldemort is him.
And then Val Kilmer is Moses.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
I didn't even realize that Val Kilmer was Moses,
that's crazy Mm-hmm.
This movie also has a lowerbudget prequel.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, joseph and the what is it?
Just joseph, if I'm notmistaken.
Oh, I thought, or no, joseph,code of dreams, or something
like that.
That's what it's called king ofdreams.
I'll have to look at that, it'snot as good.
No it's not, but it's it's,it's decent.
It's not on my bonus filmseither.
Yeah, but that one I feel likeis way less accurate to the
Bible than Prince of Egypt.
Is they really put a lot moreemphasis on the brothers?

(10:37):
I guess I'm trying to thinkyeah, that one is kind of
forgettable.
No I mean as a movie, not thestory.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, I think the big difference in the movie between
the actual story, specificallywith the brothers, is in the
movie they're all in unisonabout getting rid of him.
In the story, In the Biblestory.
In the Bible story the oldestbrother, Reuben, is trying to

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save him and so he convinces theother brothers, rather than
just straight up killing him, tothrow him in a pit and then
while he goes off to dosomething.
That's when they decide to sellJoseph to some traders,
traveling merchants that aregoing by and when Ruben comes
back and discovers that he'sbeen sold and he's gone, he

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freaks out.
So yeah, there's a little bitof difference, but as far as
that they giveoseph gets marriedin the in the movie, but it's
like the daughter or niece ofthe uh potiphar is his egyptian

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master and that's not how it isin the story.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
So still, what's crazy.
Looking at the voice cast youhave, I'm double checking.
There's a lot of people in thismovie, but who do you think
voices Judah?
He is very famous, Judah in themovie yeah, this is the one I
remembered.
He's very famous.
He is very famous, tom Cruise.

(12:24):
Here's your hint star wars oh,harrison ford, no, mark hamill,
oh, mark hamill.
Mark hamill is judah.
Ben affleck is joseph.
Really, ben affleck is joseph,because I get that mixed up and
confused, because I thought itwas Ben Affleck and Ralph Finans

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and I got the two mixed upbecause of that past.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
I will say that I think the hardest thing as a
believer is you see these movieadaptations of Bible stories and
you're like, wow, I'm reallyglad that there's exposure to
god's word being produced inhollywood.
And then you look at the castand you look at their life post

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movie and there's like no theytook.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
No, they took nothing from it yeah, and you're just
like.
It was just for them, it wasjust another.
I wish they'd actually read theword.
So I wanted to read this.
So this is what they.
So we're going to talk aboutPrince of Egypt now.
Okay, so this is what they putin the very front of the movie.
So before you even start, theyhave this blurb.

(13:39):
It says the motion pictureyou're about to see is an
adaptation of the Exodus story.
While artistic and historicallicense have been taken, we
believe that this film is trueto the essence, values and
integrity of a story that is acornerstone of faith for
millions of people worldwide.
The biblical story of Moses canbe found in the book of Exodus

(14:03):
and I think that is alreadybefore we even get started.
Kind of, the point we're goingto get to is that these stories
yes, they're going to get themwrong, but they are a good
jumping off point for people tostart their faith and go in and
study and realize, okay, this iswrong, but that doesn't make it

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wrong to watch these movies.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, yeah, and I do want to talk about that later on
.
Just the it's one thing towatch, it's another thing to
actually discover what it reallyis.
You know what the Bibleactually says.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Do you take this as just a DreamWorks cartoon or do
you take it as historicaladaptation of a true story?
Because some people look at itas I'm just watching another
cartoon.
Oh, but in reality thishappened.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, that's how I look at it, I mean, but that's
just because I believe it.
Yeah, but unfortunately thereare people out there who think
it's just another cartoon, likewatching shrek for their kids
yeah, but I will say I feel likein the west, because of social
media and because there is justan open, free platform for the
most part, for people to come onand talk in areas where there

(15:21):
were experts that didn't have avoice in the open market, now
they have a voice in the openmarket and they're experts, and
so people will actually listento them and hear what they have
to say.
I feel like a lot of the likenothing in the Bible is real.
Nothing in the Bible is true.
It's just a fictional book thathas good morals.
I feel like that mentality isslowly dying out just because

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there's been so much evidenceexternal biblical evidence that
supports the validity of theBible story or the Bible
narrative, and so it's like moreand more people are coming
forward like, yeah, we excavatedthis area and we found this
stuff, and up until thisexcavation, the only historical
reference to this stuff has beenin the Bible.

(16:06):
So we've just said that itdidn't exist and it wasn't real.
And then we found it and theonly historical texts that
talked about it was the Bible.
Yeah, you know.
So it's like stuff like thathappens all the time.
And then you've got thesepeople that are like linguists
who, like, study dead languagesand they, they languages and
they look into the Bible andthey see God's word and just

(16:28):
look at the validity and justthe excellence of the wording in
the scripture coming togetherto make a point.
So a lot of people I think a lotof people are like oh, nothing
in the Bible is real.
I don't think there's a lot ofpeople like that anymore.
I think most people accept thatthe Bible, the stuff in the

(16:48):
Bible, happened, but they wantto say that there's
embellishment because some ofit's supernatural, and so
they're like well, it probablydidn't happen that way or
whatever, which is not true.
I believe that it all happenedthe way that the Bible says it
happened.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
And let's get into that, because the movie is wrong
in some aspects They'll presentsomething.
So what I have here is a listof different things that you
know happened in the movie, andwe'll compare it to the Bible.
Let's do it.
So the first one I have here isMoses and Ramses, which is
Pharaoh Correct.
Moses and Ramses, which isPharaoh Correct.

(17:25):
Moses and Ramses grew uptogether as close brothers.
That's the movie.
That's the movie.
In the Bible there is nomention of Moses and Ramses
having a brotherly relationship,and I have Bible verses here,
so I'm going to just call thoseout, because I don't think we'll
have time to read every singleBible verse.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Unless you want a single one out and read it.
You do your thing, man.
Okay, so that is for Moses andRamses.
You know their relationship.
That is being quoted fromExodus 2, verses 10 and 11.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
They make the point that Moses is swept up from the
river by an Egyptian woman ofthe royal family, but in the
movie they make it out to belike Pharaoh's wife, and she has
a son.

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And then Moses becomes heradopted son.
That's where the strugglebetween the two of them develops
, at the end of the movie, whereit's like they still have that
brotherly love for each otherbut they're at odds because of
their belief systems, whereas inthe Bible, moses is adopted by
the current Pharaoh's daughterand raised up in Egyptian

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nobility by Pharaoh's daughter.
I mean, when Moses flees Egypthe's 40 years old.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I think people glaze over that, which I don't have it
on my list, but that'ssomething else is like he's
incredibly young.
The entire movie.
Yeah, that is not the case inthe Bible.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Moses grows up in Egypt for 40 years and then he
flees because he kills anEgyptian and people find out
about it and he's scared thathe's going to get, you know,
prosecuted or whatever.
And Then he's in the wildernessfor another 40 years.
So he's 80 when he comes backto Egypt and he's got children,

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he's got a wife, he's gotlivestock and stuff like.
He leaves everything except hiswife and kids to come back to
Egypt to bring God's people outof Egypt.
And God makes the point thatthe current Pharaoh when you
left is no longer there.
It's a different Pharaoh, so itcould be a totally different

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dynasty.
That's stepped into place.
That's all speculation.
But that's the big differencesin the movie that make it out
like he's adopted by Pharaoh'swife.
So he's Pharaoh's adopted sonin the movie, but that's just
not the case in the actual story.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
So with that, I'm going to hop around on my list a
little bit, but you as viewersat home won't know that.
Ha ha, got them.
The queen adopts.
Moses is on my list, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
It's not the queen.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, so again, as you said, in the movie the
Pharaoh's wife adopts Moses andraises him, but in the Bible it
is Pharaoh's daughter whorescues and adopts him.
That's Exodus, chapter 2,verses 5 through 10.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah.
So there you go, people.
But yeah, I think that as faras the visual of a kid's cartoon
, I've seen that, like these aretwo brothers, brothers, they
have a brotherly relationship.
They grow up together in thatbrotherly love and relationship
and moses is always 100 behindhis brother, like he is

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championing his brother on tobecome pharaoh.
That's all he wants.
He just wants him to to bePharaoh and to do well and
everything.
But he likes to play around andbe obnoxious and stuff, and then
they're separated by time, youknow time and space.
And then Moses matures andgrows up and is sent back to

(21:15):
Egypt with the sole purpose ofdelivering.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
No, you go ahead.
I was going to say, afteryou're done with your thought,
okay.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
He's being led by God , he's convicted to deliver the
people, and he's been given thisdivine commission by God to do
it.
And so he comes back and hisbrother is Pharaoh.
And in the movie, you see,there's that sense of excitement
and joy, like, hey, I'm sohappy to see you, my brother,

(21:44):
I'm so happy you're a pharaoh,but I need you to free the
Hebrews.
And in the movie, ramsey'sideology is that the dynasty
that he is a part of, that he'sa descendant of, must remain
strong and must continue on, andthat's what he worships, is the

(22:04):
strength of his dynasty,because that was the only thing
that his father cared about, orat least that's how it's
portrayed.
And so, in order for him to dogood by his dad, he has to be
strong and he can't show anyweakness.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
And so that's what causes the conflict yeah, and I
want to say this, and I feellike this is, like to me
personally, a great indication,yeah, that the bible is real,
yeah, is that it doesn't followthe flow of the rise and fall
and the major plot points of howa movie flows.
In the prince of egypt, thePrince of Egypt, it follows that

(22:43):
there has to be an opposingforce, villain, that has to
follow certain aspects of howstories are being told.
The Bible doesn't follow thatand to me, that is a great point
of it's not a story, it ischronicling of historical events
.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Well, and this is important for everybody you had
to take a big view of the entireBible.
There's different genres ofwriting.
There's historical narrative,there's wisdom literature,
there's epistles, there'shistorical gospels, there's
prophetic writing.

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There's a bunch of differentnarratives, there's a bunch of
different authors, there's acouple of different languages
and then it spanned over acouple hundred years.
And so, just to clarify foreverybody, I'm Southern, so when
I say couple, I don't meanliterally two, it's just a way
of saying a lot.
Isn't that so funny that in theSouth, if someone says a couple

(23:41):
, it means a lot?
You just know it means morethan one, yeah, but everywhere
else everyone takes you asliterally as a pair.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, two, because a couple is two people.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Wild.
Like until I moved out of theSouth and was somewhere else, I
didn't realize that, like,that's how people thought just I
was in that southern bubble oflike yeah, a couple just means
more than one, you know.
But uh, anyways, the bible isthe story of god's redemptive
plan for man.

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Our starting point isperfection, and right away leads
to explaining the fall and thecorruption of man, and then the
rest of the way through isrevealing.
God is a God of mercy andforgiveness and grace, and he
wants to forgive mankind of sinand he desires for mankind to be

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free of sin, and so he createsa way for that to happen.
And so that's the overall story.
And the beautiful thing aboutthe story of Moses and the
Exodus is it's an imagery ofdeliverance from slavery.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Deliverance.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah, you get to see Israel.
The people of Israel areenslaved by the Egyptians and
they live in a state of slavery,to the point their mindset is
all about being slaves.
Yeah, they don't know any otheridentity, they just know that
they're in turmoil and Goddelivers them.
He leads them out of Egypt andout of slavery and promises them

(25:12):
a holy anointing as his peopleand they will live in prosperity
and joy and a promised landthat he has for them, as long as
they abide in him and fastforward to the New Testament.
Now you see that, played outthrough Christ, christ is
delivering mankind from thebondage of slavery to sin and

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he's extending the grace andforgiveness of God to all of
humanity.
And whoever would believe inGod will be forgiven and set
free from that bondage and we'llget to live in the eternal
kingdom of God as a child of God.
So really beautiful, that storyand the Exodus story.

(25:57):
It did happen.
It's a literal historical event, but it also foreshadows the
coming of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
So cool deal, cool deal.
So I'm going to hit you withthree at once or back to back,
not all this.
It'd be weird if I was able tosay three different things.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Back to back, all right.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
So in the movie, moses unintentionally kills an
Egyptian soldier in self-defense, but in the Bible, Moses
deliberately kills an Egyptianand hides the body, and that is
Exodus 2, verse 12.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
He doesn't kill in self-defense in the movie.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
He's defending somebody.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, yeah, he's trying to make him stop.
They make it like it's anaccident, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Essentially yeah.
Yeah, yeah yeah, and that's howthis is worded here, forgive my
wording.
Okay, yeah, and so because ofthat, moses in the movie leaves
Egypt because he feels guiltyfor the accident.
Yeah, but in the Bible he fleesbecause Pharaoh wants to kill
him, and that is Exodus, chaptertwo, verse 15.

(27:02):
Does it say because Pharaohwants to kill him?
And that is Exodus, chapter two, verse 15.
Does it say that Pharaoh wantsto kill him?
That's what it says.
Do you want to do some Biblefact checking?
Let's do this.
So Exodus two, chapter 15.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Exodus two, 15.
I think you're right.
When Pharaoh heard of it, hesought to kill Moses, but Moses
fled from Pharaoh and stayed inthe land of Midian and he sat
down by a.
Well, You're right.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
Deliver us.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah.
So for those who don't know, hekilled an Egyptian.
And then the next day, afterkilling the Egyptian, he sees
two Hebrews fighting each otherand he goes to kind of break the
fight up and like, hey, why areyou guys fighting?
I'll just read it.
So he kills the Egyptian, hidesthe body.

(27:51):
Verse 13, exodus 2.
When he went out the next day,behold, two Hebrews were
struggling together and he saidto the man in the wrong why do
you strike your companion?
He answered who made you aprince and a judge over us?
Do you mean to kill me as youkilled the Egyptian?
Then Moses was afraid andthought surely the thing is

(28:16):
known.
So, and then it goes into verse15, when Pharaoh found out he
wants to kill him.
So yeah, there you go, you arecorrectamundo.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Look at me being right for once.
So this one I thought wasinteresting.
In the movie Moses is shockedto learn that he is Hebrew.
But in the Bible Moses alwaysknew his heritage.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, people didn't know this.
But if you read the story,moses is put in an ark or some
sort of Basket of some sort.
Well, you can't say basket,because the Bible doesn't say
basket the.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Bible says ark.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Maybe some translations say basket, but the
literal word is an ark, alittle mini ark, yeah and so.
But he's put in an ark at theNile.
He goes downstream and getspicked up by Pharaoh's daughter,
and Pharaoh's daughter is likeoh look, it's a little Hebrew
child, I think I'll keep him.
And then and Moses's oldersister is like, followed it and

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has been and watches the wholething play out, which also
happens in the movie.
It also happens in the movie,but the difference is in the
story she approaches theprincess and says hey, I know a
great hebrew woman who could bea wet nurse for him and take
care of him for you.
And she's like what anexcellent idea, take this child

(29:41):
to that woman, and when he'solder I will fetch him.
And so moses gets brought backto his family and is reunited
with his family for a couple ofyears as a small child, until
he's weaned.
But now he has the protectionof the princess, right, so not
the queen yeah not the queen.
Yeah, not the queen, but yeah,there is that.

(30:02):
I mean he grows up with somebenefits from royalty, but he's
always aware of who he is.
And it's kind of weird becauseI think that the Bible makes it
out like everybody knows he's aHebrew.
He knows he's a Hebrew, butjust because of the special
circumstance with Pharaoh'sdaughter.

(30:24):
That's why he is delivered fromthe execution, basically, of
all young Hebrew boys.
But it seems like in the textthat everyone is aware that he
is a Hebrew child, whereas inthe movie, like you said, it was
like a big plot twist for him.

(30:45):
Yeah, was it?
Broke his how dare you mother?
Yeah, and his mom was like Idon't.
I didn't know where you camefrom, I didn't question it, it
was just hey, a baby.
You were a gift.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Well, I think she said a gift from, not the nile,
well, I think she says from thegods, because they yeah from the
god, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahwhatever you know, because those
aren't real.
Yeah, we know that.
Watch the movie.
Yeah, it's all smoke andmirrors for the Egyptians.
That's right, or red?

Speaker 2 (31:09):
dyed powder.
But okay, side note on that.
I think we should do a specialepisode on that one time.
Like the demonic powers of theworld and like how powerful are
they?
Because, not, what am I tryingto say here?

(31:31):
Like there has to be some sortof ability.
I mean, I hear differenttestimonies from people getting
delivered out of you know theoccult and Satanism, and like
witchcraft and stuff, but likethe hold that demonic forces
have on people inside that isphysically powerful, right.

(31:53):
So it's like how far does thesedemonic presences like, how far
can they go when it comes tothese different ancient
religions that have a pantheonof gods?
Like what can they do to showphysical power and how are they
limited?
And then the other side of thatlike think about all we've
talked about cryptids before,right, like how many of these

(32:16):
things are actually real and howmany of them are like a demonic
physical manifestation?
Yeah, yeah, so I don't know, wehave to look into that at some
time, because the egyptian likelore or mythology, if you will,
it's really weird and verychaotic and it just, you're just

(32:38):
like and and in the bible.
Okay, so in the movie, you know, it's all smoke and mirrors
with the magicians, right?

Speaker 1 (32:47):
which that's when, like, I love this soundtrack for
this movie yeah when the twomagicians do their song.
Yeah, I hate, I hate that songso much.
It's just the big boys now,it's just.
It gives me like, like negativechills, like it's just like
this, because they're talkingabout these demonic things and
these false gods and they'reworshiping them and dancing to

(33:09):
it.
I hate that segment so much.
Yeah, such an eerie song, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
But they make that out like it's sleight of hand
and deception.
It's sleight of hand anddeception, but in the Bible it
plays off like, hey, thesemagicians and diviners and wise
men and all these different guyslike they do have power and
they do manifest stuff, but theyhave a limit, because Moses

(33:41):
keeps going right with thedifferent plagues, yeah, and
they're like we can't conjurethis, we can't.
Like.
They start to fear Moses andthey start to believe him.
Whenever he says something'sgoing to happen, they start
running to try and figure outhow to deal with it because it's
like, okay, we can't match it,you know.

(34:03):
So they do have in the Bible.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
It seems that they do have power, but it's limited
and it does not hold up againstGod.
So I have another one here.
In the movie Pharaoh Seti,which is Ramses, which is I
don't know if we said his nameor not, but in the movie that is
Moses' adopted brother Ramsesand Seti is Ramses' father.
In the movie that is Moses'adopted brother Ramsey's and
Seti is Ramsey's father.
In the movie, okay, pharaohSeti directly commands the

(34:33):
slaughter of the Hebrew babies.
Okay, in the movie.
In the movie, like he's there,he's doing it all.
This is like I feel like one ofthose minor ones.
He's there In the movie.
He is there.
What do you mean by it?
Just, you know he was therehelping slaughter the babies.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Oh, are you talking about the hieroglyph scene?
Yeah, I mean he it's like Isaid, I wouldn't say he was
there but like, yeah, because inthe hieroglyph scene he points
and all the soldiers run to grabthe babies.
And all the soldiers run tograb the babies.
Yeah, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Again, this is kind of one of those minor ones.
Yeah yeah, yeah, but obviouslyin the Bible Pharaoh orders
Hebrew boys to be thrown intothe Nile, but does not oversee
it personally.
Yeah, in the movie they make itlook like he is personally
there overseeing it.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, I look at ancient kings, especially the
pharaohs, and it's almost likethey give a lot of commands and
things to be done, but it'salmost like we've got.
We're so important that wecan't personally oversee it.
We've got other importantthings to do.

(35:35):
So I'm going to make you do it,or or this guy's going to do it
or whatever.
So I'm going to make the ord,it, or this guy's going to do it
or whatever.
So I'm going to make theordination, but I'm not going to
personally oversee it.
It seems to be a regularity andI guess.
maybe that's how royalty isthroughout history.
Maybe they don't personallyoversee stuff, they just command

(35:58):
other people to do it.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I'm too beyond doing anything besides speak these
words.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, yeah, it's like listen dinner for me.
I can't cancel that again.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
So I've got one here and you're going to have to help
me because I'm reading my ownnotes.
I don't know how to say hername.
What is Moses's wife's name?
Zipporah, zipporah, is that howyou say it?
Yeah, zipporah.
Okay, so in the movie, zipporahis captured and brought to
Egypt, correct, in the movie.

(36:34):
In the movie.
In the Bible, she was nevertaken to Egypt.
Yep, moses meets her in Midian,midian, midian.
Yes, this is correct, and thatis Exodus, chapter 2, verses 16
through 21.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yes, moses stays with Zipporah's father in his house
Jethro.
Yeah, and they form arelationship in that Moses moses
ends up marrying his daughter,zaporo, and they have children
at the age of 40.

(37:09):
Yeah well, mid, or you know midof those days were, I guess,
very, very fertile.
The uh yeah, in the in themovie though, it's like she's
like this exotic, like dancer,tizer, dancer type lady it's a
little weird who gets capturedonly her, apparently and then,

(37:33):
yeah, she escapes and andsomehow knows how to get back
home and makes it all the wayback home and then because yeah,
he helps her escape, correct,moses does kind of yeah, yeah,
he's involved in helping herescape less of helps her escape
and more of just follows.

(37:54):
That's right.
He watches her leave.
Yeah, he doesn't call theguards to stop her.
He's like you know what I what?

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I'm going to let her go.
Let's see where this goes.
And then later on meets heragain.
Yeah, they kind of give her abigger role in the movie besides
being the love interest.
Yeah, or she is the loveinterest, so they give her a
bigger role.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Because every good movie has a love interest.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yep, which in the actual story she has a love
interest as well.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Sure, but I feel like she has probably not as big a
role as she did in the movie.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
She actually has a bigger role because she saves
Moses' life.
When they're on their way backto Egypt, they go to sleep in
the wilderness one night andbasically God sends a spirit to

(38:49):
kill.
I don't remember if it's mosesor just his son, but basically
they're not circumcised.
Or his children and zapora, or,yeah, his wife, circumcises
their son on the spot and laysthe foreskin at Moses' feet and
saves Moses man.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
So yeah, that was my favorite scene in that movie,
she plays a fairly importantrole, jk.
That's not in the movie guys,jk Rowling, jk Rowling.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
JK rolling out of my chair To leave this movie.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
No, oh, potter is the joke there.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, leavingharry potter.
You should all leave harrypotter and go watch prince of
egypt.
Are you anti harry potter now,after next week?
No, I still like harry potter.
Oh yeah, so I've got one here.
Okay, the burning bush scene isin the movie visually accurate

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but does not emphasize Moses'initial hesitation.
But in the Bible Moses argueswith God about his ability to
lead, and that is Exodus 3,verses 11 through 14.
Yeah, he does, he fights.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
God a lot on that.
He keeps on pushing back like Ican't.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
No, I can't do it, not me, god, somebody else.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
No.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah, that's true.
He does give several responses,several excuses, yeah, and God
shoots them all down.
He's like dude.
Oh God, I'm going to do what Iwant to do.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Fun fact about the movie Val Kilmer voices God in
that movie from the Burning Bush.
So Val Kilmer speaks to himself.
Essentially, they imply that ifyou pay attention, god's voice
is a multitude of voices, butthe main voice speaking through
it is kind of the person who'sspeaking to God.

(40:45):
So in that sense, val Kilmer orsorry Moses is hearing himself
in the multitude of voices.
It's weird.
It is kind of weird.
So instead of God being anindividual, he is everybody to a
degree, which is not true.
He is one God.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
One God in three persons Father, son, holy Ghost,
rock and roll.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Rock and roll.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
So this one we kind of went over a little bit
already.
But in the movie Ramses is theruler when Moses demands freedom
for the people.
In the Bible the Pharaoh's nameis never specified.
That is correct.
They are.
Also did we go over this?
They're not brothers in theBible.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
We did go over that, I think but it's always good to
bring that clarification Againthey're not related whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Probably the first time they ever met was when he
went.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
We should say, not just say they're not related,
there's no relationshipwhatsoever, correct?

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, so the Ramses is Pharaoh during the Exodus
story.
That's Exodus, chapter 5, verse1, for all taking notes at home
Wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
You're saying, in Exodus 5, verse 1, it specifies
Ramses or it just says Pharaoh,it doesn't specify.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
It specifies Pharaoh and him not having the name
Ramses.
Oh, okay, so pull that Afterwe're Exodus 5.
Exodus 5 chapter.
Sorry, chapter 5, verse 1.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Afterward, moses and Aaron went and said to Pharaoh
thus says the Lord, the God ofIsrael, let my people go, that
they may hold a feast in thewilderness.
But Pharaoh said who is theLord?
That I should obey his voiceand let Israel go.
And let Israel go.
I do not know the Lord and,moreover, I will not let Israel
go.

(42:45):
And then all God's wrath poursout on them.
Yeah, you're right.
Yeah, just as Pharaoh.
Actually, I don't know if theBible ever specifies any Pharaoh
throughout the history ofisrael.

(43:05):
I don't think it gives a nameto any of the pharaohs, it just
says pharaoh.
I could be wrong someone canfact check me on that but I'm
pretty sure that it's alwaysjust whoever is the ruler of
egypt at the time.
The bible just gives the titlepharaoh to them and never
specifies who they are.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
So, on the note of the plagues that you mentioned a
moment ago, legs, uh, not all10 plagues are shown in the
movie really, but in the bibleall 10 plagues occur in full
detail.
Yes, and that's exodus,chapters 7 through 12.
Do you know which ones are notdisplayed in the movie?

(43:42):
I do not have those facts,honestly.
I know I have my notes, but Ifeel like they showed them all
in some form or fashion veryquickly, or condensed some into
as one single plague, somethingto that effect.
Unfortunately, I did attempt towatch this movie, not
unfortunately to watch it, butunfortunately as I attempted to
watch this movie.
Yeah, not unfortunately towatch it, but unfortunately as I

(44:03):
attempted to watch this movieto prep for this.
It is nowhere Currently it isnowhere to watch right now?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, you have to buy it somewhere, so it's not
streaming on anything.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, so if you want to go watch it, as of this
recording, it's very difficultto find a watch.
You have to rent it.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
You have to rent it.
It was on Prime or Apple orYouTube or Apple yeah, which you
should do.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
You should watch this movie.
Yeah, another fun one here.
In the movie, aaron's role isdiminished greatly.
Oh yeah, greatly diminished.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
And he's super negative in the movie.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yeah, that's actually in my note here.
It says in the movie Aaron isskeptical of Moses, but in the
Bible Aaron is Moses'sspokesperson and supports him.
They almost kind of switchedthe role of Aaron and kind of
gave Zipporah a lot of that kindof like she goes back with him.
Zipporah, you said, is Moses'wife.

(45:07):
Right, I feel like she was inthe movie and it's been a minute
since I've actually seen themovie.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
You're talking about the supportive character being
Moses' sister.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Sister, sorry, sorry, miriam, miriam, sorry.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
You're right, yeah, no, wrong name, same idea, yeah
idea.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, in the movie miriam is team moses and aaron
has to be won over over time.
Also fun fact if I'm notmistaken, aaron voiced by jeff
goldblum in that movie yeah, Ican hear it in my head the
magicians.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Do you know who voices them?
I'm looking right now.
It's um, it's the duo, it's us,the.
Okay, so the three caballero,or the, the three amigos.
The other two guys, not chevychase, but the other two guys, I
cannot remember their names.
It's steve, something, stevemartin, and then I can't
remember the other guy's name,martin Short.

(46:06):
Yeah, steve Martin, martinShort.
They are the magicians.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
So you have Jeff Goldblum.
Oh wow, so let's go to thisRockstar cast.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Let's go through this cast real quick Before you do.
I just want to clarify on Aaron.
In the Bible, moses doesn'tmake it into Egypt.
Aaron meets him in thewilderness on his way to Egypt
and then they go in together andAaron is that.
He's Moses' spokesperson theentire time.
He is team Moses and he's rightby Moses every step of the way

(46:41):
through Israel being deliveredand then going out of Egypt.
Deliver yeah.
So he I mean god even says likeI will make you like a god to
the people of egypt and aaronwill be your high priest.
So like yeah, aaron is on board100 of the time during this

(47:02):
time, whereas in the movie, yeah, he's like over time, gets on
board with it.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
So little in between, little mini quiz break.
I'm going to give you thecharacter.
Do you want the character orthe actor?
And you have to guess who theyplayed.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
I'll probably have better success if you say the
actor, and then I try and guesswho they played.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Okay, so you already know about Val Kilmer, that's
Moses Ralph Finans, that'sRamsey's Yep.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
All right, kilmer, that's moses brow, finnans,
that's ramses.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
yep, all right, michelle pfeiffer michelle
pfeiffer is gonna be miriam.
Nope, uh, the let's just forthe sake of time.
If you get it wrong, we'll justmove on.
Pharaoh s zapora is michellepfeiffer.
Okay, sandra bullock, that isMiriam.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
That's Miriam.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yes, Jeff Goldblum.
We talked about this already.
Aaron Danny Glover, dannyGlover, not Donald Glover, danny
Glover.
Yeah, jethro, it is Jethro.
Patrick Stewart, patrickStewart, sir Patrick Stewart, is
he Pharaoh Like Ramsay's dad?
Yep, stewart Patrick.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Stewart, sir Patrick Stewart, is he Pharaoh?

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Like Ramsay's dad, yep Pharaoh Seti Seti.
And then we talked about SteveMartin.
You wouldn't give me the namesof each character, but in Martin
Short are Hotep and Hoy, hotepand Hoy.
And then I got one last oneHeron Mirren, heron, mirren,
heron.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Mirren, helen Mirren, helen Mirren.
My bad Is that Moses' Egyptianmom.
Yes, there we go.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
There we go.
There we go.
Yep, sorry, I was doublechecking to make sure we got
them all.
We did, so you got all of themright.
There we go.
Yep, sorry, I was doublechecking to make sure we got
them all.
We did, so you got all of themright.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Excellent Congratulations, because I
misnamed one of them.
The Zipporah is Pfeiffer,pfeiffer, pfeiffer.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
So I've got three more for you, and you want to
rapid fire them real quick?
Or would you like to go deep?
Let's just deep dive it and seewhere it takes.
Okay, let's do that.
So I have ramses survives thered sea in the movie.
Okay, ramses is stranded alone,but survives yeah, that's the
movie.
Yep, in the bible, pharaoh'sarmy is completely destroyed.

(49:23):
Yeah, and that's Exodus,chapter 14, verse 28.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yep.
So in the Bible it doesn'tclarify.
If Pharaoh maybe it does.
What's the what's the reference?

Speaker 1 (49:35):
I don't want to misspeak on this Exodus, chapter
14, verse 28.
And what's funny is like hegets like dash across some rocks
and he's sitting there stranded, like no, I've lost, yeah, yeah
, but no, like they are wipedout.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
The waters returned and covered the chariots and the
horsemen of all the host ofPharaoh that had followed them
into the sea.
Not one of them remained, butthe people of Israel walked on
dry ground through the sea.
Yeah of them remained, but thepeople of Israel walked on dry
ground through the sea.
Yeah, so the Lord, let's skipit down to verse 30.
Thus the Lord saved Israel thatday from the hand of the

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Egyptians, and Israel saw theEgyptians dead on the seashore.
Israel saw the great power thatthe Lord used against the
Egyptians.
So the people feared the Lordand they believed in the Lord
and in his servant Moses.
So it doesn't really specifythat exactly that Pharaoh died,

(50:36):
but it makes it clear that theEgyptians all died.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
But we kind of talked about that too.
That do you believe?
After saying you know wespeculated that Pharaoh being in
a high place would even bothergoing out to it, do you think he
would have been in that chariot, you know, in that military
storm going towards bringingback the Egyptians?
It's not biblical, so it's justspeculation.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah, it would be speculation, but I think that
there would be.
Yeah, it would be speculation,but I think that there would be.
Like in the movie, ramsey'sjust has this overwhelming he's
consumed with, with being strongand even like, when he finally

(51:22):
gives in, it is like you can,and then he changes his mind to
come after them.
It's all about I'm going toshow my military might and we're
going to kill him.
We're going to get him andwe're going to kill him, and
then his entire army is sweptaway from him and it ends with
him having nothing.
He doesn't have an army, hedoesn't have a kingdom, he

(51:43):
doesn't have his child, hedoesn't have anything.
So, child, he doesn't haveanything.
So ultimately he becomes theweak link in the chain, like in
the movie, and that's like whathe doesn't want to do.
So but in the story it's hard tosay because there's evidence
that the kings would go out tobattle at a certain time of year

(52:07):
.
So it references that in 2Samuel because that's where the
whole scenario with David andBathsheba occurs.
It just says that rather thanDavid going out with his army,
as kings would do, he decided tostay back and sent his general
Joab to go and lead the army.

(52:27):
So it would seem that kingswould lead their armies.
But was he at the front of thearmy, leading the charge into
the Dead Sea or into the Red Sea, like in the movie?
Probably not.
I mean, maybe we don't know,because it doesn't say so.
It's all speculation.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
It's all speculation, we just don't know.
I thought this one was funny.
It's a correction and it's likeit's just to me.
This was silly because I wasgetting some of my stuff from
online and some of these facts.
Okay, it says no golden calfscene was in this movie.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
But it's kind of just like like yeah, because it cut
off before it happened.
It's not like it did.
They did not show it.
It's that where the movie cutsoff is him walking from the
mountain after getting the tencommandments yeah, which is the
part where?
golden cat.
I guess that would be part ofit.
You're right, they don't show,but they have to have a nice

(53:26):
little bow on the end of thismovie.
Yeah, yeah so, but if you wantto know what?
Uh?
So again, my notes say themovie ends with moses receiving
the ten commandments.
Yeah, yeah, but in the biblethe israelites build and worship
a golden calf while he goes upto the mountain to convene with
god.
Yeah, this is true, and they'rejust like.

(53:46):
We don't know how it happened,it just showed up.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Yeah, he's gone, for I think it's 40 days, and so
they're like, as far as thisMoses guy goes, he's probably
dead.
So, aaron, give us a God toworship.
And so Aaron's like okay, bringme all your wives necklaces,
but you pause in a really badplace there.

(54:09):
Okay, bring me all your wives.
No, bring me all the jewelry.
And then he makes a golden calf.
And then, when Moses comes down, aaron's like well, all these
people, all these wicked people.
They were telling me I had tomake them an idol.
And so we just threw the goldinto the fire and the calf came

(54:29):
out.
And just imagine JeffGoldblum's voice and it just
came out.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
And so for my final movie differences yep, to the
Bible, the the song when youBelieve.
It's not actually.
It's not in the song, no, it'sactually when they sing.
It is inaccurate.
Okay, so in the movie, theHebrews sing this as they leave
Egypt yeah, but in the Bible theIsraelites sing after the Red

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Sea victory yes, so, and that'sExodus, chapter 15, verse one,
which is.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
I believe it's Miriam's song.
I think is.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Miriam and Zipporah sing it together.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Well, in the movie.
But I'm saying in the Bible I'mtalking about the characters.
Yes, they sing it together.
I'm saying in the Bible I'mtalking about the characters yes
, they sing it together.
Yeah, yeah, the characters inthe movie sing it together.
But I'm saying in the Bibleit's acknowledged as this
section of the song is Miriam'ssong.
Oh, I see.
Or the song is Miriam's song.
They're singing about all thewomen are singing about
deliverance and stuff.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
So that's all I have.
What's your?

Speaker 2 (55:44):
favorite song from this movie.
I think the opener Deliver Ushits really hard.
Deliver us, but Thus Say theLord is also really good.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
That's the plague song, right, yeah, yeah, that's
my favorite song.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Thus say the Lord, you will let my people go Go.
Yeah, that was good, my peopleGo, Go, go.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Yeah, that was good.
So that's the Prince of Egypt,do you?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
want to get some small quick bonus.
Other movies yes, because I didnot.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
You didn't come with anything, so this is what we're
going to do.
No, I'm kidding, so this iswhat we're going to do.
No, I'm kidding, so this iswhat we're going to do.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I've got nine, so here's like.
I got paperwork, everybody, sodon't worry.
Yeah, Jairus baffled me becausehe showed up with notes.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
I showed up with five pages of notes.
This has never happened before.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
I'm going to throw you under the bus.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
You can prepare it in your own way, but so there's a
few on here that just becauseI've never seen the movie, I
think we'll skip over.
But so go ahead and read, um,read those okay so really I'm
not to do those three.
So let's look at Okay.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
First off Ben-Hur.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Yes, well, it's in there because it has Bible
stories in the Ben-Hur.
It takes place during Biblestories, so it intertwines, so I
thought that was interesting tothrow in there.
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
The Ben-Hur movie is good and the newer one that they
came out with Was okay.
No, it was powerful, was it?
I've never seen it, because itreally like it brings an
emphasis on the resurrection ofChrist in a whole other way and
it gives you the perspective of,like these are Jews who are
just trying to live their lifeor whatever, and Ben-Hur is

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being controlled by vengeancebecause he's been done wrong,
and the resurrection of Christhappens and it shatters the
paradigm that he's created forhimself of vengeance and
exacting vengeance.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
So this would be one of those historical fiction type
films, correct?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah, based around a true films Correct.
Yeah, based around a true eventCorrect.
So a fictional character who'sexperiencing a historical event,
but yeah, I remember reallyliking it.
But the 2016 one, but yeah, Ijust I don't think of it as a
Bible adaptation, but I mean itdoes have the resurrection of

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Christ in it, so there's that,anyways, okay, so you've got
Passion of the Christ on here.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Let's save that one for last, okay, because I think
that's like one of those bigones.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Okay, the Ten Commandments, the 1956.
You want to do that one?
You got it.
I mean no, I got it.
I'm asking if you want me toread it.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Yeah, go ahead.
So it's funny, there's several,several movies based off of
Moses, because I've got one overhere as well, and then the Ten
Commandments, and I believethere's another one over here
that I skipped over.
No, sorry, that's King David,is the movie over there?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Okay, yeah, sorry, that's King David.
Is the movie over there?
Okay, yeah, Okay, the TenCommandments Pharaoh the first
one is Pharaoh's daughter, notPharaoh's wife adopts Moses.
Which we went over in thePrince of Egypt.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
I guess that is a very easy way of doing that.
To have a mother figure instead, yeah, like a queen making him
the prince type thing.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
yeah, yeah, so the next line on this says no
evidence of moses having aromance with nefertari.
I have no idea who that is,nefertari.
I guess we'd have to watch themovie.
We'd have to see the movie.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
I'm what's cool?
I know about that because whenhe is, there's a really cool
movie effect done in that, yeah,where when he's showing the Ten
Commandments, the sky'sbillowing with really cool
purple waves and stuff.
And in 1956, that effect wasreally just so mind-blowing.
All they did was they weredumping glitter and powder

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through water.
It was creating these coolcycles, and then they imposed
that in the sky, so what you'reseeing is actually dust,
particles and stuff flowingthrough water.
Okay, and then they imposedthat up in the sky in the movie,
so it looks like these reallybig, thick clouds billowing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
If only someone had explained to them chemtrails,
they could have gotten thateffect.
Yeah right, billowing.
And if only someone hadexplained to them chemtrails,
they could have gotten thateffect.
Yeah right, wow, the, the skyjust lines.
Uh, okay, moses flees egyptbecause pharaoh wants him dead,
not voluntarily.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
So again, we went over that one as well,
interesting yeah, number four.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
The Number four.
The film exaggerates Pharaohand Moses' direct confrontations
.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Again, they must have been inspired by the Ten
Commandments when making thePrince of Egypt.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Yeah, that's what it sounded like.
Moses receives the commandmentswith Israel witnessing, not
alone, which is not true.
Moses is alone when he receivesthe Ten Commandments and the
reference for that is Exodus 19,verses 16 through 18, according
to these notes, my notes, yournotes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Okay, so I have.
Let's go to another MosesExodus story.
Okay, exodus, gods and Kings,which came out in 2014.
Good old Christian Bale Is thatwho was in that?
Yeah, yeah, nice.
So in that, moses is a warrior,though in the Bible never

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describes him as such.
No, duh, yeah, he's duh, yeah,he's God's warrior.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Well, okay, because here's the deal.
Most of Moses' story happensafter he's 40.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Mm-hmm, but like in God's, God's, and Is it God's
and King's?

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
God's and King's yeah .
Yeah, he's like in his 30sgetting into his 40s kind of
deal yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
You know, so so not the best age for fighting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Moses probably did some fighting, sure If he's a
part of nobility in Egypt.
But yeah, by the time he gets40, he's probably not doing a
whole lot of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Anyways, okay, so I'm going to rapid fire a little
bit quicker through these.
Okay, I got number two here.
In exodus, gods and kings, godappears as a child instead of
speaking from a burning bush.
Yeah, that always frustrated me, so I've never actually seen
this movie.
Is it worth watching?

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
from what I remember, it's okay, but the biggest
issue that I had is that theytreat god like they make God.
They depict God as a child.
He manifests as a child in themovie and he acts childish to an
extent in some of it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
So already reading this number three making me
think I don't want to watch thismovie.
But the plagues are explainedas natural disasters rather than
miracles.
I don't remember that, but yeah, probably, probably uh number
four moses leads an armedrebellion, which is never in the
bible.
That is correct never armedrebellion oh geez, the red sea

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parts as a receding tide ratherthan towering walls of water.
Yeah, sounds like this is oneof those movies.
Probably pass on, not a goodadaptation of the movie.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
It doesn't do a great job.
It's like that Noah movie thatcame out with.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Hey, guess what Is that all there?
My second one, and this will bemy last one.
Then we'll end with that one,noah.
Yeah, I didn't even watch it,but some of the stuff that I
heard about it I was like thatis just grossly inaccurate so so
, funny enough, both these cameout in 2014, so I think there
was probably a kick of somemovie studios really wanting to
make bible stories.

(01:03:57):
Yeah, but take artisticliberties within making extreme
artistic, making it anabomination of what the story
originally was from yeah, yeahyeah, so I have.
And again, I haven't seen thiseither.
Yeah, but these just sounded sosilly.
You know what I mean.
But I have the Watchers inquotation.
Rock angels do not exist in thebiblical story.

(01:04:20):
Yeah, whatever that is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
It is.
It's from the Book of Enoch.
Ah yeah, ah yeah.
Well okay, so there's a coupleof different texts that get
compiled under the identity theBook of Enoch, but there's
actually the Book of Enoch, theBook of the Watchers, and
there's a couple of other ones,but that's where they get that
idea.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
That good old Apocrypha.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Yeah, no, it's not the Apocrypha, it's something
totally different, but it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
What am I thinking of ?
What are the books of the Biblethat quote unquote have been
taken out, but they're more likefan fiction.
Is that the Apocrypha?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
So the Catholics have the Apocrypha in their Bible.
Okay, I got you.
It is extra Jewish writings,like the Maccabees is in that.
In the Apocrypha there's Daniel.
There's another book that talksabout the prophet Daniel and a
couple of different things thathappened to him.
There's an alternate to theEsther.

(01:05:18):
There's a couple of things, butthat's the Apocrypha.
It's just extra Jewishliterature.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
But isn't it kind of the equivalent of us having
Chronicles of Narnia today?
It's kind of fan fiction to adegree.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
No, the Maccabees actually happened.
It is a historical narrative.
It's just not.
It happens in the 400 years ofsilence, the story of the
Maccabees, because it's aboutthem basically fighting off the
tyranny of the Greeks and havingvictory over the Greeks, like a

(01:05:59):
year or two before the Romanscome in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Okay, so then I just completely misunderstood that
they're not divinely inspired byGod Gotcha, but they are
historical Hebrew literature.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
But the book of Enoch ?
There's not a whole lot ofclarity as to where it comes
from.
So it is an ancient text, butwho wrote it?
When wrote it?
When did they write it, Kind ofa thing, I think that's still
debated.
So in that is the Watchers andthe Rock Angels.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Yeah, rock Angels.
So number two, noah isportrayed as unstable, while the
Bible calls him righteous.
Correct, correct.
Tubal Khan or Tubal Cain sneaksonto the Ark, which never
happens in the Bible.
Pretty sure Tubal-Cain is dead.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
At this point.
I could be wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
And then the last one I have here for this is Noah
nearly kills his owngrandchildren, which is not
biblical.
Oh yeah, Happens in that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
So, yeah, okay.
So let's end on what I think isprobably, besides Prince of
Egypt, probably one of the mostfamous biblical adaptations of
the Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yes, the Passion of the Christ, otherwise known as
the Catholic Interpretation ofJesus.
I mean, it is Mel Gibson's mind.
No, he did a good job.

(01:07:33):
He did a good job, okay.
First one Jesus falls multipletimes carrying the cross, which
is not recorded in the Bible.
Oh, come on what?
Okay, I mean, I guess, but wedon't know.
That wasn't important to themhow many times he fell.

(01:07:55):
It was important to Mel Gibson.
Yeah, okay, satan is shownobserving events, which is not
mentioned in the Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
And I want to add to that, biblically speaking, satan
is not mentioned in the bible.
And I want to add to that,biblically speaking, satan is
not a woman.
Satan is played by a woman inthat movie.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Yes, this is true.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Satan is played by a woman in the movie a bald shaved
, everything plucked, eyelashes,no hair at all on this woman's
head.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
I think that I do believe that the Bible refers to
Satan in the masculine sense.
Could be wrong on that, but I'mpretty sure that it does give
him a male gender, not to saythat he has a gender because
he's a spirit, but it doespersonify him in the male sense.

(01:08:50):
Yeah, so okay.
Mary witnesses all moments ofjesus's suffering, which is not
confirmed oh, like the beatingwith rods and stuff yeah, she is
there in every moment there tohave somebody to watch him
suffer in that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
I guess, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
She is there at the crucifixion, though, and this
gives a reference of John 19.25,which I'm assuming.
I'm pretty sure that's theverse where he tells John this
is your mother, you know?
Like basically saying like,take care of Mary.
So she is there at thecrucifixion, but did she watch

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all the the beating and lashingand all that stuff?
Yeah, nobody knows.
All right, the movieexaggerates jesus's torture
beyond biblical description thatmovie is very violent yes, yeah
, I.
I mean they don't go intographic detail of what it was
like, they just give a summaryof what it is.

(01:09:52):
But other historical literaturegoes into detail of what a
beating, especially a Romanbeating, would look like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
So that's why he he, mel Gibson does a good job of
trying to be historicallyaccurate to what it would have
looked like the crucifixion, thebeating, all of it, but when
we're comparing it not to howthings would go in that time
period, but based off of theBible, it is technically

(01:10:24):
inaccurate to the Bible.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
No, it's not because and this is why I'll say it's
not because in the Bible it justsays that he was beaten or
lashed 40 times minus two, Ithink, is what it says.
But the only reason that itdoesn't explain and it ripped
his skin and his flesh from hisback and everything it's because

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they didn't need thatdescription.
Anyone who of that time readingthe text would know exactly
what a beating with whips andcords would be like.
Anyone in that time in theRoman Empire would know exactly
what a crucifixion on a crosswould look like, because it
happened all the time.
What a crucifixion on a crosswould look like, because it

(01:11:08):
happened all the time.
So, them explaining whathappened to Christ, no one
needed a description of thedetails of how it looked.
They needed to understand thatthis is what happened.
A totally innocent man wasgiven a brutal beating and death
, execution, death, and thereason is because he is the
sacrificial lamb for sin, youknow.

(01:11:31):
So that's the big thing is theydon't go into detail of what it
looked like, like Jesus gettingbeaten and hung on the cross
and everything, because everyoneknows what that looks like.
They were given a.
You know, this is who Jesus isand this is what happened to him
and this is why it happened,kind of deal.
So okay, number five a crowpecks at the thief's eye, which

(01:11:55):
is a dramatic addition.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Yeah, the bible doesn't really talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
But again, as you said, it's possible yeah, but
the issue is like I know crowsand they're not exactly like
birds, that they're not outgoingbirds they're very kind of.
For the most part they'repretty timid, whereas in this

(01:12:21):
story it's like there's a bunchof people around, a bunch of
stuff's going on.
It's like, oh, a crow justrandomly flew over and started
pecking at his eye.
It's like I don't know if acrow would do that.
Maybe another kind of scavengerbird who's used to crucifixions
happening would be like, okay,I'm going to go do this, but I
think that's just a movie trope.
Yeah, it has to be a crow andthey have to be pecking at

(01:12:45):
somebody's eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
And we got to do this because the rest of the movie
is violent.
So we got to do another violentthing.
Yeah, exactly.
So All right, but yeah, that'sall I have.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
That's all we got.
I wanted to end it on.
You know there are creativeliberties taken in making these
Bible movies creative libertiestaken in making these Bible
movies, but I do know somepeople that they watch the
movies, they watch the TV showsand they take their
interpretations from what theywatched and they don't approach
scripture and see what scriptureactually says.
So it is important for us tomake sure that we are reading

(01:13:23):
our Bibles.
If you go to statistiacom thisis where I got this statistic
11% of Americans read theirBible daily.
Very small amount, very small.
So we need to be reading ourBibles more so that we know who
God is, so that we can make himknown.
And really we should be takingour interpretation from our

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studies, from Scripture, withthe Holy Spirit guiding us, not
from what we watch on the screen, which, comparing that 11% of
Americans read the Bible dailyto majority of adults in America
are on screens averaging fiveto seven hours a day.
You know some people areproductive on screens.

(01:14:07):
I mean at your work.
You're in front of a screen forwork.
You have to like you can't doyour job, sure, unless you've
got a screen, you know.
But let's be honest, most of us, we're still logging the same
amount of hours as you, butwe're watching videos or we're
scrolling through social mediaor we're doing something that's
not really productive.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Let me tell you this it's not hard to find some way
to intake the word of God.
Yes, and the reason why I sayintake is because my main source
is it's about a 30 to 45 minutecar ride to work for me, yep.
I listened to an audio book ofthe Bible driving to work.
Well, me and my wife are goingthrough a Bible course through

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the year.
We started in January.
We're going to make it throughthe whole Bible by the end of
the year, at least on the Bibleapp, a chapter of the Bible is
maybe at most five minutes long.
You can make it through a wholebook of the Bible in an hour.
Yeah, yeah, it's not hard toget through a large chunk of the
Bible in a short period of time.

(01:15:15):
Yeah, it's all about priorities, people, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Priorities.
Well, that's all we got.
That's right.
So we hope you guys enjoyedthis.
Let us know what your favoritepart of the Prince of Egypt
movie, what's your favorite part?
What's your favorite song fromthat movie?
Deliver Us.
Yeah, and if there was a moviethat we didn't list that you

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have watched and you liked oryou want to talk about, do you?

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
want a part two of this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Yeah, let us know if you want a part two and we you
want a part two of this?
Yeah, let us know if you want apart two, and we'll do a part
two of Bible movies, or maybewe'll do Bible shows next time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Bible shows.
There is a Bible show that Iwant me and you to watch.
There's only a pilot right now.
Yeah, the YouTube thing, yeah,be on the lookout for that.
We're going to be doing kind oflike a I'm going to commit to
this now.
We're going to do a watch alongof this YouTube Bible show.
It's based on Moses.

(01:16:14):
Yep, I remember you telling meabout it.
I'll give you a little bitquick.
It's based off of the story ofMoses after they flee Egypt and
they're in the wilderness forthe 40 years.
It's filmed like that.
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's basedoff of that, but it's filmed
like the comedy and how theyinterview people like the Office

(01:16:34):
.
Yeah, yeah, I remember youtalking about that.
So I want us to watch that andbecause it's on YouTube,
everybody listening can do anice little watch along with us.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
So be on the lookout for that in the near future.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
All right.
Well, there you have it.
We hope you enjoyed the episode.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
I did.
That has been episode 25.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Episode 25 of the Saints to Serve podcast.
And you guys, we love you,please, please, engage, engage,
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All of the above.
We love you, we need you,christ is Lord and the kingdom
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Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
We are the saints that serve.
And to close out the episode,here is John with his full

(01:17:43):
rendition of the song Deliver Usfrom the major motion picture
picture the Prince of Egypt.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Bud, sand, water, straw, faster, with the sting of
the whip on my shoulder, withthe salt of my sweat on my brow.
Elohim, God on high, can youhear your people cry?

(01:18:16):
Help us now, this dark hour.
Deliver us here I call.
Deliver us, lord of all.
Remember us here in thisburning sand.
Deliver us.

(01:18:37):
There's a land you promised us.
Deliver us To the promised land.
There you go, there you go.