August 10, 2023 • 49 mins
What happens when two friends, your usual podcast host and our guest, Myriam, a pharmacology and therapeutics student, sit down to discuss the omnipresent challenge of temptation? We promise an insightful and honest exploration, as we tackle this complex issue from its origins to its role in everyday life, far beyond religious connotations. We ponder internal and external sources of temptation, the struggle between immediate gratification and long-term rewards, and share our personal experiences and insights on overcoming these struggles through surrendering to a higher power.
Navigating friendships can be tricky when temptations loom large. We delve deep into this, examining how to stay true to one's values without jeopardizing relationships. Tapping into the concept of resilience in the face of temptation, we draw strength from biblical verses while underscoring the importance of setting boundaries. Miriam adds her unique perspective with compelling stories of growth and resilience, emphasizing the importance of recognizing our weaknesses and overcoming them.
Switching gears to more practical real-world temptations, we share strategies for managing temptations related to food, spending, and substance use. We stress the significance of self-care, discussing budgeting, delayed gratification, and mindful spending, while emphasizing the essentiality of getting help when needed. As we conclude our episode, we invite you to join our book discussion and share your own experiences with temptation. This episode is a must-listen if you're looking to gain insights into navigating temptation and growing through struggles.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone, welcome again to the second episode of
the Salt and Light podcast.
We would like to thank you forall the support you've given us
on the first episode.
Thank you again for all thelikes.
The shares continue, tell uswhat you think, and today we
have Miriam for the secondepisode.
Welcome, miriam, and I'll letyou introduce yourself and tell
us also why did you choose ourtopic today.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Okay, thank you so much for having me.
It's a pleasure.
My name is Miriam and I studyin pharmacology and therapeutics
and I also work in apharmaceutical company.
I'm 22 years old quite old, alittle bit and the topic of
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today that we chose wastemptations, and I believe it's
a really important topic becauseit's something that we're
always struggling with.
It's a continuous struggle.
The source can be an externalsource, our internal source.
Sometimes we are the source ofour own temptations.
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It's not even something thatcomes from the outside that
triggers something, andsometimes it's just you and I
feel like the word temptation.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I've only heard it mostly in a church and spiritual
gatherings.
Is it something that westruggle only when we're
Christian, or something that wecould have even though you're
living your life every day?
Of course not.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I don't think it's only related to church.
If we give a really smallexample, sometimes I'm at work
and it's a really boring shiftand I want to hold my phone and
go on Instagram and scrollthrough.
That's a temptation and it'snothing related with religion or
church or something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, so let us define what is temptation.
I actually will read what theHealth Psychology Department of
Stanford University.
They say that temptations are astimuli in one's immediate
environment that prompt thoughts, feelings and behavior that are
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contrary to one's goals andvalues.
Temptations rest at the heartof self-controlled dilemmas,
decisions that require choosingbetween smaller immediate versus
larger distal outcomes.
What do you think about thatdefinition?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Definitely.
It reminds me of the experimentthey had on little children.
I don't know if you've heard ofit, it's with the marshmallows.
So basically, they bringchildren, they bring children in
and with many children, andthey gave them the choice.
I can't quite remember theexact experiment, but they told
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them okay, you can either eatthis marshmallow right now or if
you wait three minutes or acertain amount of time, you're
going to have more marshmallows.
And some kids chose the instantreward and they ate the
marshmallow right away.
And some other kids theydecided to wait and get more
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marshmallows.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It actually makes me think about a class that I had
of psychology.
Freud talks, goes in more deepin the psychology of human
beings when he explains that wedo have three sides and I think
we talked about it the lastepisode and there's this kid in
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those three parts, this kid andourselves that always wants the
gratification today.
Yes, so for Miriam, and I wantto hear more about you what are
the different temptations thatyou feel like you see every day
in everyone's life and what arethe ones that are?
Maybe, without going intodetails if you don't want to,
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but there are the darker oneshow do you deal with them?
How do you deal with those?
You know harsher, darker ones,because we're called to be
perfect, like Jesus, right,we're called to be better, to
help others.
And in my head it's very hard.
Like I'm thinking about my owntemptations and all the falls
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that I go through and I'm like,why am I still doing what I'm
doing?
Like why, you know, like thisimposter feeling that I have
right now in front of the camerawhere, like I shouldn't be the
one talking, I am so not good,like I shouldn't be the one in
front of the camera talking itis and honestly and I've been
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going through this strugglesince nine years old it's a
really big struggle of mine andit is a temptation.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
At the end of the day and I can tell you that this is
again my own experience and I100% believe it when I left it
to God, it's as if itdisappeared, and whenever I try
to regain not access I'm sorrywhen I try to regain control.
(05:15):
Thank you and tell myself okay,Miriam, you got this Like this.
You just fall head first and Iknow it's crazy.
I used to hear it a lot fromservants and meetings and from
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different priests, and I neverbelieved it, to be honest.
But I remember that.
Just leave it to God.
Pray to God.
He's going to take care of it.
He's stronger than you.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
It's never you that never, never believe the whole
teddy bear.
Have you seen the picture witha teddy bear?
When as like a little girl thatis holding a small teddy bear
and God has a bigger one.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But I remember the turning point in this continuous
struggle of mine.
I have other temptations, butthis is the example that I have,
because it's the biggest thing,by the way, that I'm still
going through, because we fall,we get up, we fall, we get up.
But I remember one time I wasno longer feeling ashamed.
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You know, like it was that badto the point that you no longer
feel ashamed.
It's normal, whatever, no, nolonger change.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You're even defying people around you with that and
to be like you know what.
I don't care about you, I'mdone, I'm gonna go in it.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I'm gonna be proud about it.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Exactly, everyone does it.
God is gonna punish everyone.
All of these thoughts gothrough your head.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
He is gonna punish everyone.
Be like yeah, he's gonna takethe time.
I don't think he's gonna bedefied by time.
I have two minutes, okay, therest go in.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
But I remember that one time I don't know what had
changed in me, but this one timeI was feeling really bad and I
was really.
I prayed.
It was one of the times that Ireally prayed from, really from
my heart, like from the bottomof my heart is as if I was
fighting with God.
I was telling him I can't dothis anymore.
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I really need you to step in,because I really can't do it
myself.
I promised you once and twiceand three times and ten times
that I'm gonna stop, but I can'tand I cannot do it myself and
you really need to step inbecause I'm not gonna be able to
.
And I'm not even joking.
It's as if it disappeared.
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It wasn't even crossing my mind.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I know that feeling because I actually had one like
this.
I was after the Holy Week and Iwas actually struggling in the
Holy Week to work on thattemptation.
And right at resurrection Ireally felt.
At resurrection I was beingliberated, with all of you one,
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and for a second I was breathing.
It was something that I feltlike I always felt like I was
kept down like shang old.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You're rising from that too.
He's rising with you.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
And I just felt liberated and I was able to take
a deep breath and then, eventhe days after I was just living
that light, I was actuallyhappy, pure happiness.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Liberated.
But one week later back in itand it happens, and you know
what we always talk aboutforgiving other people,
forgiving other people, you needto learn how to forgive
yourself too, because it's onething holding yourself
accountable and it's one thingnot forgiving yourself.
It's done, it's in the past,you've confessed, move on,
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because God has moved on.
It's non-existent for Him,whatever you've done.
It's non-existent, it's over.
But it's for you yourself.
You cannot move past it.
You're not forgiving yourself,and I think it's important to
learn how to forgive yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
There's a verse that I actually highlighted Matthew
26.41.
Watch and pray that you may notenter into temptation.
The spirit, indeed, is willing,but the flesh is weak.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yes, yes exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And the funny thing is one of the things that I was
very I was confessing one dayand I was sitting with Abuna and
I was talking about huge things, things.
I was ashamed and I'm like Ihad a tear and I don't know what
to do and he legit said onething he's like eat less.
And I was like I understandthat I need a diet, thank you.
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But he was like do you thinkI'm talking about you getting in
shape or anything?
He's like the moment that yourbody is satisfied with food,
your mind and your spirit isgoing to be, is going to be
willing, and then your body isgoing to be willing to do more
sin Gluttony is the steppingstone to all the other sins.
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The moment that you'resatisfying your body and your.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Honestly, I don't know how I feel about that.
Because he's like, if you thinkabout it, I need to sit with it
for a day or two and thinkabout it.
I'll come back to you on it,but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I said because I was thinking about it.
He was like think about it andcome back to me.
And, seriously, the differenttimes that I was actually in
deep in my temptation was when Iwas actually after food or I
was like big time sushi, youknow that day and you eat hard.
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Or and it's different when I'mactually fasting or I'm eating
less, I'm on the run, I'm active.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And the way I understood the verse.
It's as if there was two peopleinside of you.
You know this picture with thedevil and the angel.
It's that there's the spiritand the flesh, and sometimes not
sometimes most times they wantdifferent stuff, they want
opposite stuff, and this is howI understood it and it is to me
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in that sense it is true, likeit.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So back to we were defining temptation.
I like how you were like okay,so the body in your, you think
that the body is quite a sourceof temptation.
That's what you're saying whenyou compared it to the devil and
the angel.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Your mind.
Your mind is a huge temptationLike, for example, I'm going to
talk about my own experience andI've struggled with anxiety and
depression and it was reallybad and I've developed bad
habits.
For example, I sleep way toomuch.
Sometimes I just want to stayin my room and not get out of my
room.
This is Unfortunately, it hasbecome my comfort zone.
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And going against that.
For me it's going against ahuge temptation.
So my mind here is playingtricks on me Again.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I'm talking about me and my experience by the way
you're seeing it right, becauseone of the types or the
different sources or variationif you call it that of
temptation and that's again fromthe Stanford University.
So there's different variationof how you could get tempted.
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It could be in a situation youcould have a motive for that
temptation, and what you'retalking about is the personal
variation which is somethingthat is familiar to you.
So how the writer is, suchautomation of one's behavior
toward temptation might alsoexasperate susceptibility, oh my
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God, susceptibility to unwantedand accidental priming effect,
that is, motivation to indulgein a temptation, maybe activated
by social cues, withoutconscious intent or awareness.
So, you being in your roomactually it happens to me too,
me being in my room there'scertain temptation that hits me
when I'm on my computer at homeor if I'm in my room.
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My room is a certain area thatis.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's a comfort zone, of course.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And that's why sometimes I'll be like I'll just
work from outside or I'll justdo certain things for me to
clear out my head first beforedoing anything.
And I'm just like.
It is so true.
And even in confession, theyalways ask you or they tell you
do something, work out One, twothree.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Of course, it's always physical Stay busy.
If you stay busy and you don'tgive yourself the time to really
like, think or to wander off,you're distracting yourself
basically.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
A way that I want to just segue this.
So we're talking about the mind, the body, the person, and
there's a lot more to say and Ithink we're going to talk about
it for a long time.
We're going to continue it.
But I had a question Do youthink, as I said, situationally
and the motive behindtemptations, can this be sourced
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, outsourced by someone aroundyou?
Could it be your environment, afriend, a family member?
Definitely, pure pressure ofcourse it gives you that, how do
you deal with?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
that Definitely.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
How do you receive it first and how do you deal with
that ma'am?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I think it depends.
Obviously I'm not perfect and Ifall a lot and sometimes I give
into it.
But I think the most importantthing is that you realize that
you've fallen so you can get upquickly.
There's a verse that says Ican't quite remember it in
English, but if we're roughlytranslating it righteous man
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falls seven times a day and getsup.
So God knows, you're gonna fall.
Obviously you're gonna fall,just get up.
So I think sometimes, when I'mnot alert or I'm not fully there
or I'm distracted by anything,yes, I'll definitely fall and
I'll give into it because I'mnot there.
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But when I'm there, sometimes Itend to change topics or
literally just remove myselffrom this situation, like
literally just leave, get out ofit.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Okay, so fleeing is also a solution, but that's the
short, so that's a good.
I really loved it because Ialso use that.
I feel like whenever I'm not ina good place or if I feel like
I'm gonna do something wrong,I'd rather be away and be like
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you know what?
I don't want to deal, not dealwith it, but I want to be in a
place and avoid it and clear myhead so that I don't need to
fall into any errors.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Now, this is short term, if I could say that Of
course, sometimes you can't,sometimes you can't run away,
but I think you need to be alsoconfident enough to make a point
, which means, for example, ifyou're with your friends and
let's say they're all smoking,they're smoking whatever they're
smoking.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I like the new ones.
You never know where you aresmoking so many things.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And you do not smoke.
Now they're your friends andyou really like them.
And let's say you don't want togo home, you need to be
confident enough to say, guys,I'm not going to smoke.
You need to make, not to make apoint to them, no, you need to
make a point to them, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I want to see where she is not making a point.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
No, of course they need to know.
This is who I am.
We're friends.
I give you my advice.
This is not good for you, butI'm in no way imposing my
lifestyle on you.
So I respect the choices thatyou're making, although I do not
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agree with it, and I think thisgoes both ways.
Same way, I'm respecting yourchoices, you need to respect my
choices.
So if you decide to smoke, forexample, and we're in the same
outing or gathering or whatever,you would know for a fact that
you're not going to tell me ohMiriam, do you want to smoke,
for example?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
But would you in this situation?
I feel like you're going tostill be friends with them.
Is that a possibility or,ultimately, you're going to be.
So let's say that they keepthis lifestyle.
Let's say that they don't doanything, they don't change
anything and they keepeverything, including the
smoking habit.
Would you think that beingtheir friends is justifiable in
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some way?
At some point you're going togrow out of it.
At some point sooner or later.
What you're saying is sooner orlater I'm going to be out of
that friendship.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
You're going to make that decision, you're going to
feel like this is not your place, I'm not comfortable to be
around you guys anymore, andyou're going to leave Now.
I'm not talking about smokingexactly.
It's not only that, because youcan't do anything.
Yeah, I believe that I didn'tmean smoking per se, smoking is
a choice that we could sayclubbing.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
we could say whatever it is.
Whatever it is, and that's thepoint.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, but if it's something, if you're not on the
same grounds, at some pointyou're going to grow out of it
and sometimes when you're youngyou would be stubborn.
You're going to try to convinceyourself that these are the
right people for me.
These people love me, althoughwe're not on the same ground,
although we don't have the samestand like bottom values, we're
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not coming from the same place,but no, they're my friends, na
na na, and sooner or later youwill grow out of it.
And it's not going to be aconscious decision necessarily.
You're not going to sit withyourself and be like, okay,
we're not going to be friendswith these people anymore.
No, it's going to comenaturally.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Sometimes you will, I actually did.
I had to sit, I actually satdown.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
That's painful.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
It was very painful and it took me so much time, but
when I was like I don't knowwhat to do anymore and the
answer was it's okay, move on,leave and move on, and it wasn't
a certain temptation, it wasjust like so much trouble and
problems and but I liked thatyou started with because we
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didn't have the same foundationbases.
What are these foundations thatyou're talking about?
What is your foundation for youto decide if this friend will
be a good friend or not and fromthere maybe minimize the source
of temptations from them?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
What are they adding to me?
What are they doing in my life?
What track are they putting meon?
Are they making me doubt myselfand doubt who I am, or are they
enriching that?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
People will tell you I'm gonna try to be the devil
advocate Please.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
It's gonna be a hard one, but let's say that I'd be
like why I've been there for you.
Why are you trying to add upwhat I'm doing for you, or not?
Okay, great it's disrespectfulto my friendship, what I've
given to you.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Okay, what have you added to me?
Because this sentence, as it is, has literally been said to me
in a friendship that for somereason had ended.
After all that I've done to you, you do this to me.
What did you do to me?
List, list.
I wanna list of the things thatyou've done to me.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
What did you add to my life?
Let me be that friend of yours.
Yes, please, that sat down withyou late nights to talk to you
about guy issues or the problemsyou have at home.
The time invested in thatfriendship.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And I have done the same.
It's not a one way thing.
You've been there for me andI've been there for you.
This is what friends are for,but what I'm talking about is
different.
What did you add to Miriam?
Did you make me grow?
Did you help me in my growth?
Or have you been weighing medown?
Some people would let you go.
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These are true friends.
They would literally.
They would see you fly and justbe there in case you fall, but
they were looking at you flyingand enjoying and actually
enjoying that, and they wouldgive you tips.
Maybe do your wings like that,that is, that they would wanna
see you fly even higher andhigher, but they're always there
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in case you fall and theywouldn't wanna weigh you down.
And some other people know theyare down and they want you to
stay down with them.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I'm laughing because I've seen, I'm actually
visualizing what you're sayingwith certain situations that
I've seen myself.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
And it's being able to see that.
It took me years to realizethat these people are weighing
me down and it took me ahorrible situation, it took me a
slap in the face to see that.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
And then I.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I'm sorry.
And then when that, when thissituation happened obviously it
was it really did hurt, becauseI wasn't expecting that from
them, although there was a smallvoice in me telling me Miriam,
no, miriam, these are not it,these are not the people we want
in our lives.
Go away.
But I've always answered thatvoice with no, we haven't seen
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anything wrong from them.
They're our friends.
Don't say that.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Everything is perfect , what you're talking about
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
But it's.
It took me that slap in theface and it was painful, but
then it happened naturally thatI don't need you in my life and,
ironically enough, this persontried to come back.
I'm sorry, ironically, thisperson tried to come back in my
life recently and you said no.
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I said You're true.
I said no, like we can keep itat that for the sake of for the
sake of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So whole paragraph.
Some of you, no, no, no, itwasn't it wasn't a whole
paragraph.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It was two words.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Okay, okay, no, it was basically no, really no.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So absolutely no, you know that stand up comedian.
Absolutely not.
Where can I go?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
But I, because I relate with you when you say a
slap in the face.
My question is does it reallyneed to come to a slap?
Is there a way for us to alwaysknow how to deal with those
source of temptation, the sourceof all those attacks?
Is it an actually let's, let's,let's, is it an attack given by
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God, or is it simply a badchoice?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
What do you think I wanna hear?
I wanna hear from you first.
What do you?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
think.
Usually the host asks I'm sorry.
No, no, no.
I recently was made aware thatthere is nothing, nothing that
comes bad from God.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Definitely.
Yes, there's a verse in James.
It says it's actually a coupleof verses, I'm sorry, it's James
1, 13 to 18.
And it says when tempted, noone should say God is tempting
me, for God cannot be tempted,I'm sorry, for God cannot be
tempted by evil, nor does hetempt anyone.
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But each person is tempted whenthey are dragged away by their
own evil desires and enticed.
Then, after desire hasconceived, it gives birth to sin
, and sin, when it is full grown, gives birth to death.
Don't be deceived, my dearbrothers and sisters.
Every good and perfect gift isfrom above, Coming down from the
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Father of the heavenly lights,who does not change like
shifting shadows.
He chose to give us birththrough the word of truth, that
we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
So why are they saying that?
He's the source of like thissentence that I hear is well,
god sent me those temptationsfor me to grow.
Is it because it's somethingthat we've talked about last
time and we didn't really getinto it because we were talking
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more about the forgiveness ofeverything?
But when I'm in a bad situationor when I'm tempted, what is it
that makes the temptation ofmine we?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
use it as I'm not sure if this is the word in
English as a hanger shaman.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, hanger.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Exactly God has, but actually God, no, God can use
this temptation that you'regoing through to give you
something fruitful.
There's a verse Romans Romans828.
We know that all things Godworks for the good for those who
love Him, who have been calledaccording to His purpose.
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So everything he can usewhatever situation that you're
in and shape it into somethingbeautiful.
For you that's doable.
But now does that mean thatwhatever that you've gotten
yourself into comes from Him?
No, because if it did, thenwhere is your free will right?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh, nice touch.
So it is a free will.
So God respects our free will.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Of course.
Now there's a huge differencebetween he knows and it's coming
from Him.
I know that the tree is there,but did I put it there?
No, but I know it's here.
You see what I'm trying to say,100%.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
So actually I have a start that is a bit scary and
it's actually very dark and it'sin the United States.
So 40% of death in the UnitedStates every year, every year,
are attributable to self-controlfailures.
What?
How can it come to that?
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And I'm just when I read it.
When I was preparing, I was sosurprised on how it could
actually lead to death.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Cigarettes, drinking and driving, alcohol, poisoning
these are all things that I'msorry, like it or not.
It's temptations.
You smoke cigarettes because oftemptations.
I'm not saying you're good orbad, but this is something that
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you need to make peace with.
You are tempted by cigarettesor you're tempted by the feeling
that cigarettes give you by thepeace of mind, by the relief
from anxiety, whatever it is.
So that's why you smoke.
For example, if we go inparallel, if I'm going to talk
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about my, for example,experience with the bad habits
I've developed because ofdepression, I am tempted by the
feeling of nothing goes throughmy mind.
I just want to sleep and lay inbed all day.
So sometimes I give in to itand I lay in bed and I sleep all
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day.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
And how do you manage that temptation?
How do you try to limit thattemptation?
Is there any tips or tricksthat you use to help yourself
not to fall on that temptation?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Honestly, it depends what we're talking about, right.
So, for example, if we'retalking about depression and
anxiety, go seek help.
Go seek help.
You need professional help.
I know for a fact.
I needed professional helpbecause at some point I was told
by many people you know, ourbeloved Tantat and uncles pray
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more.
Habib Tsi, may God lead you onthe right path.
That would just make me angrywith God because I'm praying but
I still feel bad.
I am not okay.
I am not doing better,definitely not.
I actually had to go and seekprofessional help.
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Then I was able to get thebenefits from praying.
Once this medical attention wasgiven to me and I learned how
to manage it, whatever way Ichose with my therapist to
manage it.
Then I was able to really getthe benefits people get from
praying to feel heard, to feelsafe, to feel not to feel heard,
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to be heard, to be fulfilled.
I was able to feel all that.
That's it for talking aboutthese two bad boys.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, I feel like any Temptation that becomes a habit
, a bad habit.
You'll need help.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I think the first step is to realize that you've
fallen into the Temptation.
This is the first step.
For example, if you ask aperson that smokes oh, I'm not
addicted, I can stop it anytime.
No, first of all you need torealize that you're addicted.
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That's first of all.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
It's the first thing that everyone wants.
If I want to stop, I'll stopright now, but I'll do it
tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yes, actually I had a friend in Egypt and we were
just talking about that.
He was telling me in thebeginning he was telling me, I
can stop it, but anytime, I'mnot addicted.
And I was telling him, okay,stop.
And then he was like, okay,I'll stop.
And then the next day he waslike, no, I think I need help, I
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can't stop.
I'm like there we go.
That's the first step.
Checkmark, we've realized it.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
It's usually the go to help, especially for every
person.
Is it the same with us?
I feel like if I want to talkabout myself, I feel like if I
have God and I have fear andhave this and that, why do I
need a therapist?
I have the priest If I need togo talk and confess you.
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But I love the way that you'resaying no, I'm relearning some
stuff, I'm readjusting how tolove, how to hate, how to not
hate, but like how to feel hurt,how to deal with hurt, how to
deal with life, and justreprogram that.
And I feel like it's we're not,we're not seeing this enough
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that priests are not therapists.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
They're not therapists.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
They're not there to help us as much as they can.
But imagine having a thousandevery single day.
But what I'm saying is thatI've read this book that says
confession is not a therapysession.
Confession is few minutes.
You sit down with the priest.
You tell them I have done this,that, that and that.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And you make peace with.
God.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Confession is you making peace with God?
Now you need to make peace withyourself too, and this is a
really important aspect.
And sometimes for small things,confession can help, because
sometimes the only reason whyyou can't make peace with
yourself is you feel like you'renot in peace with God.
So in these cases, yes,confession will help, but in
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other cases it will not help.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
And not even that.
I think that the spiritualexercises that priests give,
they help you to, to, tocontinue in your spiritual
struggle.
But as a human being, when I amstuck psychologically in a
certain pattern, I need to breakthrough.
I even had a priest tell me, bythe way, that this program that
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could help you with this kindof temptation that you're always
hitting and that habit thatyou're always hitting, why don't
?
We'll try to help you out tocover some of the expenses, and
that was him trying to find asolution with me for that kind
of problem.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Definitely.
And therapy is not.
It's not taboo and it's not badand it doesn't go against
Christianity in any sort.
In any sort of way it helps youbecome a better version of
yourself.
This is how I see it.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Okay, so I'll, I'll give you.
I have actually a few basic notbasic temptation, but very
known temptation, the top fiveknown temptations out there and
I have.
I have different ways to managethem and I want your input, I
want, I want, Miriam, Is itapplicable?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
to you Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It's it's it's it's basic, but it's it's things I
found from different from thedifferent therapists, different
universities and and we'll seehow it goes.
So first, first one that we seea lot is the temptation from
food that I talked about, right?
So different things is regularphysical activity.
A different thing is differentway to manage.
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Is a balanced diet, proper mealplanning.
What do you think about these?
Do you think it's applicable.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Personally, I have not.
Food is not a big issue for me.
Like I can't relate to this asa temptation.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I could relate to it.
I like food, I love food, butif I do not eat I'm okay too,
Like sometimes I have cravingslike everyone, of course, but I
mean, I've heard a lot of thetrainers tell you I need to stop
eating after eight, after nine.
Late night snacks are the worst.
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No breakfast in the morning isa is a bad like.
Not having breakfast in themorning is a bad choice for your
, for your own health.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I'm not a bad habit, but it's not preferred.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Not preferred.
So I think I think using abalanced diet, having actually a
plan when to eat, cause I hadan episode where I was helping
out in a, in a place it'sactually two hours from here,
and I was.
I was actually tired.
I was after a full day of workand then slept a few hours, went
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back in the day after we hadliturgy in the morning and then
with the kids and everythingjust jumped in and then I was
like you know what?
I'm going to take a break, I'mgoing to go sit down.
I had some allergies.
I went to sit down.
No responsiveness.
I was hearing stuff Like I washearing people around me.
I was unable anyone to respondand you know everyone, you know
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the people are like oh, it'snothing, he's just most probably
sleeping, until they realize Iwas just not answering, even if
they were pounding me.
And I just realized how as muchof like physical work I've been
putting myself into and youknow you, you find yourself,
you're able to continue and youadd and you add and add.
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You don't mind because yourbody is sustaining all that
pressure and the moment you fallthat there's a clicks.
No, I need to start taking careof myself and it was.
It was sad because I really waspanicking in that moment and it
was really stressful in thatmoment.
I really wish no one goes withthat, but I feel like we always
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wait at the last minute, whenwe're not beyond help.
But you're in a bad situation.
You received a slap to yourface, definitely, and even in
like, for example.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I know for a fact once we had a meeting, for
example, and I remember I wasstarting to get up, I remember I
was starting to sometimes, fromtime to time, I would get a
panic attack.
It's not as bad as before, it'sless frequent, but it happens
from a time to another.
And I remember that I knew inthe meeting I'm about to get a
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panic attack, like not like Ineed to leave, but I was telling
myself, no, I'll stay, it's notthat bad, it's okay.
Until I really couldn't anymore.
I was on the verge of losing ithere.
Then I realized okay, no,miriam, you have to go.
Then I went, but I know now,looking back at it, if I had
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left the room it wouldn't havebeen that bad.
When I had this thought Miriam,leave now, go get some fresh
air.
It wouldn't have turned into abad panic attack.
But the fact that I've waitedand waited and waited and waited
, Okay, I get you.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
So, tackling it as soon as possible is the best
option, of course, and that'sgreat.
Because the second one isshopping and spending.
And okay, I got you there.
So three ways the first one isbudgeting, having a budget.
The second one is delayedgratification.
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One you need to buy somethingbut you wait for it to see and
to test if you really want it,and the mindful spending it's
always thinking about it twiceor three times.
But I love delayedgratification because, because
of today's technology,everything comes on Amazon,
everything comes in a day, likeactually in the United States
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it's within the same day.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It's like you, oh really.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Actually no, no, no.
I feel like I should have notsaid that.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Because with Sephora I know for like with Sephora, if
you spend over a certain amountof time per time, a certain
amount of certain amount peryear, if you spend over that,
sometimes you have delivery thesame day.
So I can order like, forexample a lipstick and it's
delivered to me at the end ofthe day.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Wow, that's, that's not.
I don't want to ask what's theamount, because I'm scared of
the amount.
So let's go with number three,substance use.
So this one is less frequent,but is is noted to be one of the
biggest the harm is choices andthe the the way to manage it is
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something that we know assupport groups professional
counseling and appropriatemedical interventions.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
And realize that you have a problem, I think in all
five realizing is the number one.
You need.
You need to actually be willingto change, because, for example
, no, I can't give that, butit's okay.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
It's okay, no more about it.
I know.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
But let's say, for example, that my parents I'll
talk about myself, for example,my parents find something in my,
in my, in my, in my car.
Okay, let's say they find adrugs, okay, and there's a
difference between I want tostop because I want to stop
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because it's harming me and Iwant to stop because to satisfy
my parents.
Because if you're going to stopto satisfy your parents, you're
going to get back to it becauseit's not coming from you.
You're not stopping for you,you're stopping for someone else
.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
But there's also stopping, because if you
continue, that's the end of theline.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
For you.
You need to realize that you'redoing it for yourself.
You're doing it because youfeel bad.
You, exactly you need to seethat it's going to be the end if
you continue.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
There's this.
There's this interview thatI've watched about.
It's with Simon Sinek.
I don't know if you know him,so there's.
I love this guy.
And there's this.
He gets questioned abouthelping others when to stop
helping others?
And he answers if the personthat you're helping does not
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accept the change first.
He wants to change and heaccepts the situation and wants
to change.
You should stop helping himbecause it's only going to harm
you and he's going to drag youwith him.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
And he gives the example of the lifeguards.
Lifeguards when they when theyactually help, and I think it's
still the same Lifeguards whenthey help someone that is
drowning.
If they are not capable tohandle the situation and they
think that the drowning personis going to drown them also,
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they don't help.
And that was very, I was verysurprised, because they need to
handle.
So they need to handle thepeople need to accept the help
first for them to not drown thelife guard with them.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
But I think and I may be wrong here they don't let
them drown.
What they do is that they waituntil they pass out so they can
stop resisting, and then theyget the water, of course, but
the rule is never get, never getdrowned with the person.
It goes against what you'retrying to do.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Number four of our list is procrastination and time
management.
I think that is tacklingeveryone.
Everyone is.
We want to, since COVIDespecially.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Since COVID.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
COVID sitting at home doing not.
Actually, most of us did notwork and just got the money.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Zoom, I'm closing the camera.
Sorry, my computer does nothave a camera and I'm sleeping
while the lecture is being givenOf course I cannot see things.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I cannot Things that I'm done.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Oh God, that cannot be.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
But yeah, we've closed cameras.
I mean like, yeah, yeah, itdoesn't work.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I'm pretty sure my teachers have done it too.
So like just in case everyonehas done it somehow.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
But the way to help with that is time blocking,
setting goals, breaking tasksinto manageable parts, like it's
Mickey, break it till it's very.
It's a singular task andtackling.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
A calendar.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yes, I need to do one .
Speaker 2 (45:15):
And there's an app that it's that is really helping
me studying.
It's called forest.
So this app, basically it'sit's at 25 minutes and then five
minutes of break.
So during these 25, 25 minutes,you're studying and then and
then you take a five minutesbreak, and what's really cool
about it is that every time youaccomplish 25 minutes there's a
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tree that's that's growingExactly.
So then so cute.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
I saw that.
Yeah, yeah, number five.
And that's our new era thesocial media and the internet
use the phone Right.
So different ways to manage itis digital detox, scheduled
offline time and productivehobby engagement.
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So people I've seen a lot ofinfluencer be like I'm out and
they come back, be like I'm back, and it's actually becoming a
bit more regular, especiallythat mental health has been
really been been pushed ortouched or talked more.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Thank God yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
And that's because we've been dealing with our
issues without talking aboutthem.
But I feel like all thoseactions I think that's I'm going
to.
I think it's very important tosay if you do not choose to
tackle those issues byyourselves and you take the
initiative, even if it is withhelp, with a push of people
around you, you're never goingto tackle them.
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You're always going to feeltempted and fall into those
traps.
And it's something that yousaid that I love, because I
don't know.
I remember every single time ifit wasn't for the support that
I had, I would never be heretoday.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Of course.
So it's crazy how saying thatthere's this one person or two
people that come to your mind.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, and people undermine.
And that's the friends that Ikept.
Yeah, and they stay with you.
That's the family, and throughit, all they're here.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, everything easier, and without them,
without her, I wouldn't havebeen here.
Yeah, good to hear.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, Thank you for being with us at least today.
My pleasure Before we leave.
Do you have one bookrecommendation or something that
we could go and check it up tolearn more?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Actually, there's a really nice story that I would
like for everyone to read, butactually take their time reading
it, and it's the story of Hoseaand Gomor, who Take the time
reading the story and imagineyourself in the place of Gomor.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Gomor.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, and when you're reading it, imagine for a
moment that you're Gomor and Godis Hosea and sit with that.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Wow, Okay, I will.
Actually, I'm going to read itand put myself in the place of
I've never done.
There's a lot of stories thatI've never put myself in.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
It's a must, and it changed the whole story.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
The whole story changes in itself.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
It changes your perspective and the word God is
not going to forgive me.
I've done something that'sunforgivable.
You realize that.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
That's true.
No, thank you, miriam again forcoming today and sharing your
story.
Thank you, guys, for listeningto us and we would like for you
to comment and tell us what kindof temptation you go through
and how did you deal with it.
Also, comment what would youlike to hear in the next episode
.
We will take the most likedcomments and we will actually
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work on it to have a guest onthat subject and work on it.
Thank you again for listeningto us and for the support and
God bless, thank you.
Hey everyone, welcome again to the second episode of
the Salt and Light podcast.
We would like to thank you forall the support you've given us
on the first episode.
Thank you again for all thelikes.
The shares continue, tell uswhat you think, and today we
have Miriam for the secondepisode.
Welcome, miriam, and I'll letyou introduce yourself and tell
us also why did you choose ourtopic today.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Okay, thank you so much for having me.
It's a pleasure.
My name is Miriam and I studyin pharmacology and therapeutics
and I also work in apharmaceutical company.
I'm 22 years old quite old, alittle bit and the topic of
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today that we chose wastemptations, and I believe it's
a really important topic becauseit's something that we're
always struggling with.
It's a continuous struggle.
The source can be an externalsource, our internal source.
Sometimes we are the source ofour own temptations.
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It's not even something thatcomes from the outside that
triggers something, andsometimes it's just you and I
feel like the word temptation.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I've only heard it mostly in a church and spiritual
gatherings.
Is it something that westruggle only when we're
Christian, or something that wecould have even though you're
living your life every day?
Of course not.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I don't think it's only related to church.
If we give a really smallexample, sometimes I'm at work
and it's a really boring shiftand I want to hold my phone and
go on Instagram and scrollthrough.
That's a temptation and it'snothing related with religion or
church or something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, so let us define what is temptation.
I actually will read what theHealth Psychology Department of
Stanford University.
They say that temptations are astimuli in one's immediate
environment that prompt thoughts, feelings and behavior that are
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contrary to one's goals andvalues.
Temptations rest at the heartof self-controlled dilemmas,
decisions that require choosingbetween smaller immediate versus
larger distal outcomes.
What do you think about thatdefinition?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Definitely.
It reminds me of the experimentthey had on little children.
I don't know if you've heard ofit, it's with the marshmallows.
So basically, they bringchildren, they bring children in
and with many children, andthey gave them the choice.
I can't quite remember theexact experiment, but they told
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them okay, you can either eatthis marshmallow right now or if
you wait three minutes or acertain amount of time, you're
going to have more marshmallows.
And some kids chose the instantreward and they ate the
marshmallow right away.
And some other kids theydecided to wait and get more
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marshmallows.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It actually makes me think about a class that I had
of psychology.
Freud talks, goes in more deepin the psychology of human
beings when he explains that wedo have three sides and I think
we talked about it the lastepisode and there's this kid in
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those three parts, this kid andourselves that always wants the
gratification today.
Yes, so for Miriam, and I wantto hear more about you what are
the different temptations thatyou feel like you see every day
in everyone's life and what arethe ones that are?
Maybe, without going intodetails if you don't want to,
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but there are the darker oneshow do you deal with them?
How do you deal with those?
You know harsher, darker ones,because we're called to be
perfect, like Jesus, right,we're called to be better, to
help others.
And in my head it's very hard.
Like I'm thinking about my owntemptations and all the falls
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that I go through and I'm like,why am I still doing what I'm
doing?
Like why, you know, like thisimposter feeling that I have
right now in front of the camerawhere, like I shouldn't be the
one talking, I am so not good,like I shouldn't be the one in
front of the camera talking itis and honestly and I've been
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going through this strugglesince nine years old it's a
really big struggle of mine andit is a temptation.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
At the end of the day and I can tell you that this is
again my own experience and I100% believe it when I left it
to God, it's as if itdisappeared, and whenever I try
to regain not access I'm sorrywhen I try to regain control.
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Thank you and tell myself okay,Miriam, you got this Like this.
You just fall head first and Iknow it's crazy.
I used to hear it a lot fromservants and meetings and from
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different priests, and I neverbelieved it, to be honest.
But I remember that.
Just leave it to God.
Pray to God.
He's going to take care of it.
He's stronger than you.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
It's never you that never, never believe the whole
teddy bear.
Have you seen the picture witha teddy bear?
When as like a little girl thatis holding a small teddy bear
and God has a bigger one.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But I remember the turning point in this continuous
struggle of mine.
I have other temptations, butthis is the example that I have,
because it's the biggest thing,by the way, that I'm still
going through, because we fall,we get up, we fall, we get up.
But I remember one time I wasno longer feeling ashamed.
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You know, like it was that badto the point that you no longer
feel ashamed.
It's normal, whatever, no, nolonger change.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You're even defying people around you with that and
to be like you know what.
I don't care about you, I'mdone, I'm gonna go in it.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I'm gonna be proud about it.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Exactly, everyone does it.
God is gonna punish everyone.
All of these thoughts gothrough your head.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
He is gonna punish everyone.
Be like yeah, he's gonna takethe time.
I don't think he's gonna bedefied by time.
I have two minutes, okay, therest go in.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
But I remember that one time I don't know what had
changed in me, but this one timeI was feeling really bad and I
was really.
I prayed.
It was one of the times that Ireally prayed from, really from
my heart, like from the bottomof my heart is as if I was
fighting with God.
I was telling him I can't dothis anymore.
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I really need you to step in,because I really can't do it
myself.
I promised you once and twiceand three times and ten times
that I'm gonna stop, but I can'tand I cannot do it myself and
you really need to step inbecause I'm not gonna be able to
.
And I'm not even joking.
It's as if it disappeared.
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It wasn't even crossing my mind.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I know that feeling because I actually had one like
this.
I was after the Holy Week and Iwas actually struggling in the
Holy Week to work on thattemptation.
And right at resurrection Ireally felt.
At resurrection I was beingliberated, with all of you one,
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and for a second I was breathing.
It was something that I feltlike I always felt like I was
kept down like shang old.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You're rising from that too.
He's rising with you.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
And I just felt liberated and I was able to take
a deep breath and then, eventhe days after I was just living
that light, I was actuallyhappy, pure happiness.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Liberated.
But one week later back in itand it happens, and you know
what we always talk aboutforgiving other people,
forgiving other people, you needto learn how to forgive
yourself too, because it's onething holding yourself
accountable and it's one thingnot forgiving yourself.
It's done, it's in the past,you've confessed, move on,
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because God has moved on.
It's non-existent for Him,whatever you've done.
It's non-existent, it's over.
But it's for you yourself.
You cannot move past it.
You're not forgiving yourself,and I think it's important to
learn how to forgive yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
There's a verse that I actually highlighted Matthew
26.41.
Watch and pray that you may notenter into temptation.
The spirit, indeed, is willing,but the flesh is weak.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yes, yes exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And the funny thing is one of the things that I was
very I was confessing one dayand I was sitting with Abuna and
I was talking about huge things, things.
I was ashamed and I'm like Ihad a tear and I don't know what
to do and he legit said onething he's like eat less.
And I was like I understandthat I need a diet, thank you.
(10:02):
But he was like do you thinkI'm talking about you getting in
shape or anything?
He's like the moment that yourbody is satisfied with food,
your mind and your spirit isgoing to be, is going to be
willing, and then your body isgoing to be willing to do more
sin Gluttony is the steppingstone to all the other sins.
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The moment that you'resatisfying your body and your.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Honestly, I don't know how I feel about that.
Because he's like, if you thinkabout it, I need to sit with it
for a day or two and thinkabout it.
I'll come back to you on it,but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I said because I was thinking about it.
He was like think about it andcome back to me.
And, seriously, the differenttimes that I was actually in
deep in my temptation was when Iwas actually after food or I
was like big time sushi, youknow that day and you eat hard.
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Or and it's different when I'mactually fasting or I'm eating
less, I'm on the run, I'm active.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And the way I understood the verse.
It's as if there was two peopleinside of you.
You know this picture with thedevil and the angel.
It's that there's the spiritand the flesh, and sometimes not
sometimes most times they wantdifferent stuff, they want
opposite stuff, and this is howI understood it and it is to me
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in that sense it is true, likeit.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So back to we were defining temptation.
I like how you were like okay,so the body in your, you think
that the body is quite a sourceof temptation.
That's what you're saying whenyou compared it to the devil and
the angel.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Your mind.
Your mind is a huge temptationLike, for example, I'm going to
talk about my own experience andI've struggled with anxiety and
depression and it was reallybad and I've developed bad
habits.
For example, I sleep way toomuch.
Sometimes I just want to stayin my room and not get out of my
room.
This is Unfortunately, it hasbecome my comfort zone.
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And going against that.
For me it's going against ahuge temptation.
So my mind here is playingtricks on me Again.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I'm talking about me and my experience by the way
you're seeing it right, becauseone of the types or the
different sources or variationif you call it that of
temptation and that's again fromthe Stanford University.
So there's different variationof how you could get tempted.
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It could be in a situation youcould have a motive for that
temptation, and what you'retalking about is the personal
variation which is somethingthat is familiar to you.
So how the writer is, suchautomation of one's behavior
toward temptation might alsoexasperate susceptibility, oh my
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God, susceptibility to unwantedand accidental priming effect,
that is, motivation to indulgein a temptation, maybe activated
by social cues, withoutconscious intent or awareness.
So, you being in your roomactually it happens to me too,
me being in my room there'scertain temptation that hits me
when I'm on my computer at homeor if I'm in my room.
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My room is a certain area thatis.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's a comfort zone, of course.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And that's why sometimes I'll be like I'll just
work from outside or I'll justdo certain things for me to
clear out my head first beforedoing anything.
And I'm just like.
It is so true.
And even in confession, theyalways ask you or they tell you
do something, work out One, twothree.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Of course, it's always physical Stay busy.
If you stay busy and you don'tgive yourself the time to really
like, think or to wander off,you're distracting yourself
basically.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
A way that I want to just segue this.
So we're talking about the mind, the body, the person, and
there's a lot more to say and Ithink we're going to talk about
it for a long time.
We're going to continue it.
But I had a question Do youthink, as I said, situationally
and the motive behindtemptations, can this be sourced
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, outsourced by someone aroundyou?
Could it be your environment, afriend, a family member?
Definitely, pure pressure ofcourse it gives you that, how do
you deal with?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
that Definitely.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
How do you receive it first and how do you deal with
that ma'am?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I think it depends.
Obviously I'm not perfect and Ifall a lot and sometimes I give
into it.
But I think the most importantthing is that you realize that
you've fallen so you can get upquickly.
There's a verse that says Ican't quite remember it in
English, but if we're roughlytranslating it righteous man
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falls seven times a day and getsup.
So God knows, you're gonna fall.
Obviously you're gonna fall,just get up.
So I think sometimes, when I'mnot alert or I'm not fully there
or I'm distracted by anything,yes, I'll definitely fall and
I'll give into it because I'mnot there.
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But when I'm there, sometimes Itend to change topics or
literally just remove myselffrom this situation, like
literally just leave, get out ofit.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Okay, so fleeing is also a solution, but that's the
short, so that's a good.
I really loved it because Ialso use that.
I feel like whenever I'm not ina good place or if I feel like
I'm gonna do something wrong,I'd rather be away and be like
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you know what?
I don't want to deal, not dealwith it, but I want to be in a
place and avoid it and clear myhead so that I don't need to
fall into any errors.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Now, this is short term, if I could say that Of
course, sometimes you can't,sometimes you can't run away,
but I think you need to be alsoconfident enough to make a point
, which means, for example, ifyou're with your friends and
let's say they're all smoking,they're smoking whatever they're
smoking.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I like the new ones.
You never know where you aresmoking so many things.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And you do not smoke.
Now they're your friends andyou really like them.
And let's say you don't want togo home, you need to be
confident enough to say, guys,I'm not going to smoke.
You need to make, not to make apoint to them, no, you need to
make a point to them, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I want to see where she is not making a point.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
No, of course they need to know.
This is who I am.
We're friends.
I give you my advice.
This is not good for you, butI'm in no way imposing my
lifestyle on you.
So I respect the choices thatyou're making, although I do not
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agree with it, and I think thisgoes both ways.
Same way, I'm respecting yourchoices, you need to respect my
choices.
So if you decide to smoke, forexample, and we're in the same
outing or gathering or whatever,you would know for a fact that
you're not going to tell me ohMiriam, do you want to smoke,
for example?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
But would you in this situation?
I feel like you're going tostill be friends with them.
Is that a possibility or,ultimately, you're going to be.
So let's say that they keepthis lifestyle.
Let's say that they don't doanything, they don't change
anything and they keepeverything, including the
smoking habit.
Would you think that beingtheir friends is justifiable in
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some way?
At some point you're going togrow out of it.
At some point sooner or later.
What you're saying is sooner orlater I'm going to be out of
that friendship.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
You're going to make that decision, you're going to
feel like this is not your place, I'm not comfortable to be
around you guys anymore, andyou're going to leave Now.
I'm not talking about smokingexactly.
It's not only that, because youcan't do anything.
Yeah, I believe that I didn'tmean smoking per se, smoking is
a choice that we could sayclubbing.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
we could say whatever it is.
Whatever it is, and that's thepoint.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, but if it's something, if you're not on the
same grounds, at some pointyou're going to grow out of it
and sometimes when you're youngyou would be stubborn.
You're going to try to convinceyourself that these are the
right people for me.
These people love me, althoughwe're not on the same ground,
although we don't have the samestand like bottom values, we're
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not coming from the same place,but no, they're my friends, na
na na, and sooner or later youwill grow out of it.
And it's not going to be aconscious decision necessarily.
You're not going to sit withyourself and be like, okay,
we're not going to be friendswith these people anymore.
No, it's going to comenaturally.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Sometimes you will, I actually did.
I had to sit, I actually satdown.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
That's painful.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
It was very painful and it took me so much time, but
when I was like I don't knowwhat to do anymore and the
answer was it's okay, move on,leave and move on, and it wasn't
a certain temptation, it wasjust like so much trouble and
problems and but I liked thatyou started with because we
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didn't have the same foundationbases.
What are these foundations thatyou're talking about?
What is your foundation for youto decide if this friend will
be a good friend or not and fromthere maybe minimize the source
of temptations from them?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
What are they adding to me?
What are they doing in my life?
What track are they putting meon?
Are they making me doubt myselfand doubt who I am, or are they
enriching that?
Speaker 1 (20:51):
People will tell you I'm gonna try to be the devil
advocate Please.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
It's gonna be a hard one, but let's say that I'd be
like why I've been there for you.
Why are you trying to add upwhat I'm doing for you, or not?
Okay, great it's disrespectfulto my friendship, what I've
given to you.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Okay, what have you added to me?
Because this sentence, as it is, has literally been said to me
in a friendship that for somereason had ended.
After all that I've done to you, you do this to me.
What did you do to me?
List, list.
I wanna list of the things thatyou've done to me.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
What did you add to my life?
Let me be that friend of yours.
Yes, please, that sat down withyou late nights to talk to you
about guy issues or the problemsyou have at home.
The time invested in thatfriendship.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
And I have done the same.
It's not a one way thing.
You've been there for me andI've been there for you.
This is what friends are for,but what I'm talking about is
different.
What did you add to Miriam?
Did you make me grow?
Did you help me in my growth?
Or have you been weighing medown?
Some people would let you go.
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These are true friends.
They would literally.
They would see you fly and justbe there in case you fall, but
they were looking at you flyingand enjoying and actually
enjoying that, and they wouldgive you tips.
Maybe do your wings like that,that is, that they would wanna
see you fly even higher andhigher, but they're always there
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in case you fall and theywouldn't wanna weigh you down.
And some other people know theyare down and they want you to
stay down with them.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I'm laughing because I've seen, I'm actually
visualizing what you're sayingwith certain situations that
I've seen myself.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
And it's being able to see that.
It took me years to realizethat these people are weighing
me down and it took me ahorrible situation, it took me a
slap in the face to see that.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
And then I.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
I'm sorry.
And then when that, when thissituation happened obviously it
was it really did hurt, becauseI wasn't expecting that from
them, although there was a smallvoice in me telling me Miriam,
no, miriam, these are not it,these are not the people we want
in our lives.
Go away.
But I've always answered thatvoice with no, we haven't seen
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anything wrong from them.
They're our friends.
Don't say that.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Everything is perfect , what you're talking about
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
But it's.
It took me that slap in theface and it was painful, but
then it happened naturally thatI don't need you in my life and,
ironically enough, this persontried to come back.
I'm sorry, ironically, thisperson tried to come back in my
life recently and you said no.
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I said You're true.
I said no, like we can keep itat that for the sake of for the
sake of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
So whole paragraph.
Some of you, no, no, no, itwasn't it wasn't a whole
paragraph.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
It was two words.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Okay, okay, no, it was basically no, really no.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So absolutely no, you know that stand up comedian.
Absolutely not.
Where can I go?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
But I, because I relate with you when you say a
slap in the face.
My question is does it reallyneed to come to a slap?
Is there a way for us to alwaysknow how to deal with those
source of temptation, the sourceof all those attacks?
Is it an actually let's, let's,let's, is it an attack given by
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God, or is it simply a badchoice?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
What do you think I wanna hear?
I wanna hear from you first.
What do you?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
think.
Usually the host asks I'm sorry.
No, no, no.
I recently was made aware thatthere is nothing, nothing that
comes bad from God.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Definitely.
Yes, there's a verse in James.
It says it's actually a coupleof verses, I'm sorry, it's James
1, 13 to 18.
And it says when tempted, noone should say God is tempting
me, for God cannot be tempted,I'm sorry, for God cannot be
tempted by evil, nor does hetempt anyone.
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But each person is tempted whenthey are dragged away by their
own evil desires and enticed.
Then, after desire hasconceived, it gives birth to sin
, and sin, when it is full grown, gives birth to death.
Don't be deceived, my dearbrothers and sisters.
Every good and perfect gift isfrom above, Coming down from the
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Father of the heavenly lights,who does not change like
shifting shadows.
He chose to give us birththrough the word of truth, that
we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
So why are they saying that?
He's the source of like thissentence that I hear is well,
god sent me those temptationsfor me to grow.
Is it because it's somethingthat we've talked about last
time and we didn't really getinto it because we were talking
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more about the forgiveness ofeverything?
But when I'm in a bad situationor when I'm tempted, what is it
that makes the temptation ofmine we?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
use it as I'm not sure if this is the word in
English as a hanger shaman.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, hanger.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Exactly God has, but actually God, no, God can use
this temptation that you'regoing through to give you
something fruitful.
There's a verse Romans Romans828.
We know that all things Godworks for the good for those who
love Him, who have been calledaccording to His purpose.
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So everything he can usewhatever situation that you're
in and shape it into somethingbeautiful.
For you that's doable.
But now does that mean thatwhatever that you've gotten
yourself into comes from Him?
No, because if it did, thenwhere is your free will right?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Oh, nice touch.
So it is a free will.
So God respects our free will.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Of course.
Now there's a huge differencebetween he knows and it's coming
from Him.
I know that the tree is there,but did I put it there?
No, but I know it's here.
You see what I'm trying to say,100%.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
So actually I have a start that is a bit scary and
it's actually very dark and it'sin the United States.
So 40% of death in the UnitedStates every year, every year,
are attributable to self-controlfailures.
What?
How can it come to that?
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And I'm just when I read it.
When I was preparing, I was sosurprised on how it could
actually lead to death.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Cigarettes, drinking and driving, alcohol, poisoning
these are all things that I'msorry, like it or not.
It's temptations.
You smoke cigarettes because oftemptations.
I'm not saying you're good orbad, but this is something that
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you need to make peace with.
You are tempted by cigarettesor you're tempted by the feeling
that cigarettes give you by thepeace of mind, by the relief
from anxiety, whatever it is.
So that's why you smoke.
For example, if we go inparallel, if I'm going to talk
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about my, for example,experience with the bad habits
I've developed because ofdepression, I am tempted by the
feeling of nothing goes throughmy mind.
I just want to sleep and lay inbed all day.
So sometimes I give in to itand I lay in bed and I sleep all
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day.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
And how do you manage that temptation?
How do you try to limit thattemptation?
Is there any tips or tricksthat you use to help yourself
not to fall on that temptation?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Honestly, it depends what we're talking about, right.
So, for example, if we'retalking about depression and
anxiety, go seek help.
Go seek help.
You need professional help.
I know for a fact.
I needed professional helpbecause at some point I was told
by many people you know, ourbeloved Tantat and uncles pray
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more.
Habib Tsi, may God lead you onthe right path.
That would just make me angrywith God because I'm praying but
I still feel bad.
I am not okay.
I am not doing better,definitely not.
I actually had to go and seekprofessional help.
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Then I was able to get thebenefits from praying.
Once this medical attention wasgiven to me and I learned how
to manage it, whatever way Ichose with my therapist to
manage it.
Then I was able to really getthe benefits people get from
praying to feel heard, to feelsafe, to feel not to feel heard,
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to be heard, to be fulfilled.
I was able to feel all that.
That's it for talking aboutthese two bad boys.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, I feel like any Temptation that becomes a habit
, a bad habit.
You'll need help.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I think the first step is to realize that you've
fallen into the Temptation.
This is the first step.
For example, if you ask aperson that smokes oh, I'm not
addicted, I can stop it anytime.
No, first of all you need torealize that you're addicted.
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That's first of all.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
It's the first thing that everyone wants.
If I want to stop, I'll stopright now, but I'll do it
tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yes, actually I had a friend in Egypt and we were
just talking about that.
He was telling me in thebeginning he was telling me, I
can stop it, but anytime, I'mnot addicted.
And I was telling him, okay,stop.
And then he was like, okay,I'll stop.
And then the next day he waslike, no, I think I need help, I
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can't stop.
I'm like there we go.
That's the first step.
Checkmark, we've realized it.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
It's usually the go to help, especially for every
person.
Is it the same with us?
I feel like if I want to talkabout myself, I feel like if I
have God and I have fear andhave this and that, why do I
need a therapist?
I have the priest If I need togo talk and confess you.
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But I love the way that you'resaying no, I'm relearning some
stuff, I'm readjusting how tolove, how to hate, how to not
hate, but like how to feel hurt,how to deal with hurt, how to
deal with life, and justreprogram that.
And I feel like it's we're not,we're not seeing this enough
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that priests are not therapists.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
They're not therapists.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
They're not there to help us as much as they can.
But imagine having a thousandevery single day.
But what I'm saying is thatI've read this book that says
confession is not a therapysession.
Confession is few minutes.
You sit down with the priest.
You tell them I have done this,that, that and that.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And you make peace with.
God.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Confession is you making peace with God?
Now you need to make peace withyourself too, and this is a
really important aspect.
And sometimes for small things,confession can help, because
sometimes the only reason whyyou can't make peace with
yourself is you feel like you'renot in peace with God.
So in these cases, yes,confession will help, but in
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other cases it will not help.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
And not even that.
I think that the spiritualexercises that priests give,
they help you to, to, tocontinue in your spiritual
struggle.
But as a human being, when I amstuck psychologically in a
certain pattern, I need to breakthrough.
I even had a priest tell me, bythe way, that this program that
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could help you with this kindof temptation that you're always
hitting and that habit thatyou're always hitting, why don't
?
We'll try to help you out tocover some of the expenses, and
that was him trying to find asolution with me for that kind
of problem.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Definitely.
And therapy is not.
It's not taboo and it's not badand it doesn't go against
Christianity in any sort.
In any sort of way it helps youbecome a better version of
yourself.
This is how I see it.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Okay, so I'll, I'll give you.
I have actually a few basic notbasic temptation, but very
known temptation, the top fiveknown temptations out there and
I have.
I have different ways to managethem and I want your input, I
want, I want, Miriam, Is itapplicable?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
to you Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
It's it's it's it's basic, but it's it's things I
found from different from thedifferent therapists, different
universities and and we'll seehow it goes.
So first, first one that we seea lot is the temptation from
food that I talked about, right?
So different things is regularphysical activity.
A different thing is differentway to manage.
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Is a balanced diet, proper mealplanning.
What do you think about these?
Do you think it's applicable.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Personally, I have not.
Food is not a big issue for me.
Like I can't relate to this asa temptation.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I could relate to it.
I like food, I love food, butif I do not eat I'm okay too,
Like sometimes I have cravingslike everyone, of course, but I
mean, I've heard a lot of thetrainers tell you I need to stop
eating after eight, after nine.
Late night snacks are the worst.
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No breakfast in the morning isa is a bad like.
Not having breakfast in themorning is a bad choice for your
, for your own health.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I'm not a bad habit, but it's not preferred.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Not preferred.
So I think I think using abalanced diet, having actually a
plan when to eat, cause I hadan episode where I was helping
out in a, in a place it'sactually two hours from here,
and I was.
I was actually tired.
I was after a full day of workand then slept a few hours, went
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back in the day after we hadliturgy in the morning and then
with the kids and everythingjust jumped in and then I was
like you know what?
I'm going to take a break, I'mgoing to go sit down.
I had some allergies.
I went to sit down.
No responsiveness.
I was hearing stuff Like I washearing people around me.
I was unable anyone to respondand you know everyone, you know
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the people are like oh, it'snothing, he's just most probably
sleeping, until they realize Iwas just not answering, even if
they were pounding me.
And I just realized how as muchof like physical work I've been
putting myself into and youknow you, you find yourself,
you're able to continue and youadd and you add and add.
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You don't mind because yourbody is sustaining all that
pressure and the moment you fallthat there's a clicks.
No, I need to start taking careof myself and it was.
It was sad because I really waspanicking in that moment and it
was really stressful in thatmoment.
I really wish no one goes withthat, but I feel like we always
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wait at the last minute, whenwe're not beyond help.
But you're in a bad situation.
You received a slap to yourface, definitely, and even in
like, for example.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I know for a fact once we had a meeting, for
example, and I remember I wasstarting to get up, I remember I
was starting to sometimes, fromtime to time, I would get a
panic attack.
It's not as bad as before, it'sless frequent, but it happens
from a time to another.
And I remember that I knew inthe meeting I'm about to get a
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panic attack, like not like Ineed to leave, but I was telling
myself, no, I'll stay, it's notthat bad, it's okay.
Until I really couldn't anymore.
I was on the verge of losing ithere.
Then I realized okay, no,miriam, you have to go.
Then I went, but I know now,looking back at it, if I had
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left the room it wouldn't havebeen that bad.
When I had this thought Miriam,leave now, go get some fresh
air.
It wouldn't have turned into abad panic attack.
But the fact that I've waitedand waited and waited and waited
, Okay, I get you.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
So, tackling it as soon as possible is the best
option, of course, and that'sgreat.
Because the second one isshopping and spending.
And okay, I got you there.
So three ways the first one isbudgeting, having a budget.
The second one is delayedgratification.
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One you need to buy somethingbut you wait for it to see and
to test if you really want it,and the mindful spending it's
always thinking about it twiceor three times.
But I love delayedgratification because, because
of today's technology,everything comes on Amazon,
everything comes in a day, likeactually in the United States
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it's within the same day.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
It's like you, oh really.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Actually no, no, no.
I feel like I should have notsaid that.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Because with Sephora I know for like with Sephora, if
you spend over a certain amountof time per time, a certain
amount of certain amount peryear, if you spend over that,
sometimes you have delivery thesame day.
So I can order like, forexample a lipstick and it's
delivered to me at the end ofthe day.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Wow, that's, that's not.
I don't want to ask what's theamount, because I'm scared of
the amount.
So let's go with number three,substance use.
So this one is less frequent,but is is noted to be one of the
biggest the harm is choices andthe the the way to manage it is
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something that we know assupport groups professional
counseling and appropriatemedical interventions.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
And realize that you have a problem, I think in all
five realizing is the number one.
You need.
You need to actually be willingto change, because, for example
, no, I can't give that, butit's okay.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
It's okay, no more about it.
I know.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
But let's say, for example, that my parents I'll
talk about myself, for example,my parents find something in my,
in my, in my, in my car.
Okay, let's say they find adrugs, okay, and there's a
difference between I want tostop because I want to stop
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because it's harming me and Iwant to stop because to satisfy
my parents.
Because if you're going to stopto satisfy your parents, you're
going to get back to it becauseit's not coming from you.
You're not stopping for you,you're stopping for someone else
.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
But there's also stopping, because if you
continue, that's the end of theline.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
For you.
You need to realize that you'redoing it for yourself.
You're doing it because youfeel bad.
You, exactly you need to seethat it's going to be the end if
you continue.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
There's this.
There's this interview thatI've watched about.
It's with Simon Sinek.
I don't know if you know him,so there's.
I love this guy.
And there's this.
He gets questioned abouthelping others when to stop
helping others?
And he answers if the personthat you're helping does not
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accept the change first.
He wants to change and heaccepts the situation and wants
to change.
You should stop helping himbecause it's only going to harm
you and he's going to drag youwith him.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Definitely.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
And he gives the example of the lifeguards.
Lifeguards when they when theyactually help, and I think it's
still the same Lifeguards whenthey help someone that is
drowning.
If they are not capable tohandle the situation and they
think that the drowning personis going to drown them also,
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they don't help.
And that was very, I was verysurprised, because they need to
handle.
So they need to handle thepeople need to accept the help
first for them to not drown thelife guard with them.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
But I think and I may be wrong here they don't let
them drown.
What they do is that they waituntil they pass out so they can
stop resisting, and then theyget the water, of course, but
the rule is never get, never getdrowned with the person.
It goes against what you'retrying to do.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Number four of our list is procrastination and time
management.
I think that is tacklingeveryone.
Everyone is.
We want to, since COVIDespecially.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Since COVID.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
COVID sitting at home doing not.
Actually, most of us did notwork and just got the money.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Zoom, I'm closing the camera.
Sorry, my computer does nothave a camera and I'm sleeping
while the lecture is being givenOf course I cannot see things.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I cannot Things that I'm done.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Oh God, that cannot be.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
But yeah, we've closed cameras.
I mean like, yeah, yeah, itdoesn't work.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
I'm pretty sure my teachers have done it too.
So like just in case everyonehas done it somehow.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
But the way to help with that is time blocking,
setting goals, breaking tasksinto manageable parts, like it's
Mickey, break it till it's very.
It's a singular task andtackling.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
A calendar.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yes, I need to do one .
Speaker 2 (45:15):
And there's an app that it's that is really helping
me studying.
It's called forest.
So this app, basically it'sit's at 25 minutes and then five
minutes of break.
So during these 25, 25 minutes,you're studying and then and
then you take a five minutesbreak, and what's really cool
about it is that every time youaccomplish 25 minutes there's a
(45:38):
tree that's that's growingExactly.
So then so cute.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
I saw that.
Yeah, yeah, number five.
And that's our new era thesocial media and the internet
use the phone Right.
So different ways to manage itis digital detox, scheduled
offline time and productivehobby engagement.
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So people I've seen a lot ofinfluencer be like I'm out and
they come back, be like I'm back, and it's actually becoming a
bit more regular, especiallythat mental health has been
really been been pushed ortouched or talked more.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Thank God yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
And that's because we've been dealing with our
issues without talking aboutthem.
But I feel like all thoseactions I think that's I'm going
to.
I think it's very important tosay if you do not choose to
tackle those issues byyourselves and you take the
initiative, even if it is withhelp, with a push of people
around you, you're never goingto tackle them.
(46:47):
You're always going to feeltempted and fall into those
traps.
And it's something that yousaid that I love, because I
don't know.
I remember every single time ifit wasn't for the support that
I had, I would never be heretoday.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Of course.
So it's crazy how saying thatthere's this one person or two
people that come to your mind.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, and people undermine.
And that's the friends that Ikept.
Yeah, and they stay with you.
That's the family, and throughit, all they're here.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, everything easier, and without them,
without her, I wouldn't havebeen here.
Yeah, good to hear.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, Thank you for being with us at least today.
My pleasure Before we leave.
Do you have one bookrecommendation or something that
we could go and check it up tolearn more?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Actually, there's a really nice story that I would
like for everyone to read, butactually take their time reading
it, and it's the story of Hoseaand Gomor, who Take the time
reading the story and imagineyourself in the place of Gomor.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Gomor.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, and when you're reading it, imagine for a
moment that you're Gomor and Godis Hosea and sit with that.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Wow, Okay, I will.
Actually, I'm going to read itand put myself in the place of
I've never done.
There's a lot of stories thatI've never put myself in.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
It's a must, and it changed the whole story.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
The whole story changes in itself.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
It changes your perspective and the word God is
not going to forgive me.
I've done something that'sunforgivable.
You realize that.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
That's true.
No, thank you, miriam again forcoming today and sharing your
story.
Thank you, guys, for listeningto us and we would like for you
to comment and tell us what kindof temptation you go through
and how did you deal with it.
Also, comment what would youlike to hear in the next episode
.
We will take the most likedcomments and we will actually
(48:59):
work on it to have a guest onthat subject and work on it.
Thank you again for listeningto us and for the support and
God bless, thank you.
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