December 23, 2025 • 30 mins
Some stories don’t need a spotlight—they need a steady hand.
In Part II of this two-part series, Jermine Alberty sits down with his brother Jimmie Marks for an unfiltered conversation about childhood trauma, family fragmentation, and the slow, daily work of rebuilding love, trust, and identity. This episode builds on Part I’s interview with their father, Jimmie Jones, moving the story forward through a sibling lens shaped by shared wounds and different paths.
Together, they wrestle with nature versus nurture in real time—what was carried in their bones, what was poured into them, and what they chose to become. They reflect on a grandmother’s quiet rituals that modeled resilience, the inner war between rage and restraint, the challenges of reentry after incarceration, and the discipline of gentleness rooted in faith.
This is a conversation about healing without erasing, setting boundaries without abandoning love, and choosing purpose when bitterness would be easier. If you’re torn between who you were told you are and who you feel called to be, this episode is for you.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:26):
And so get ready for another exciting, honest
conversation.
This is Jermaine Alberty andlistening to the soft talk.
SPEAKER_03 (00:39):
Hello, buddy.
This is Jermaine Alberty, and Iam so excited about this
conversation.
It is so special to me becauseit's actually personal.
It's rooted in family and in thejourney of discovering who we
are and how we become.
And I'm honored to sit down withmy brother.
And may I want to welcome youhere?
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
Nice beard.
SPEAKER_03 (01:03):
Listen, we're going to talk about some childhood
memories, a young adulthood, andthe lessons we've learned
sometimes the hard way and howthose moments shape us as men.
We're also going to look at theage-old conversation of nature
versus nurture, which is a modeldeveloped by Sigmund Freud,
which believed about the forcesthat shape our behavior and how
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we live experiences either whenthey're affirmed or they
challenge that theory.
So I want y'all to grab anotebook.
I want you to grab some coffee,some tea, and we're going to get
into it.
So let's start off with ourfirst conversation.
I want to welcome you onceagain, and I'm glad we finally
are getting a chance to havethis conversation.
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Because it's been a long timecool.
SPEAKER_04 (01:51):
Yes, it has.
Yes, it has.
Real long time.
Real long time.
SPEAKER_03 (01:56):
So let's start uh at the beginning.
When you think about yourchildhood, what stands out most
to you?
SPEAKER_04 (02:04):
Um stands out most to me did in my childhood is um,
I guess the love.
Um because then in my childhood,my love was like it was
misplaced.
It misplaced.
You know, had me going incircles, you know, traveling
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from different family to family,which is my mother, my father,
and grandmother, you know, soand all.
So um it it was uh that was thething stood out because of, you
know, urban molestation, stufflike that.
So it really tainted my love andmisplaced it to where it was
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misconstrued.
It really was.
SPEAKER_03 (02:51):
Wow, wow.
I tell you, what's so veryinteresting is that some folks
grew up in the same familyenvironments, right?
And sometimes end up living somany different lives.
Right, right, right.
I think also what is sointeresting is the patterns that
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happen in families.
I can recall being uh a young, II don't know if I was like seven
years old.
Um, I want to say somewherearound that that uh age, but I
was uh at my grandmother'shouse, and one of the neighbors
touching me in an inappropriateway.
SPEAKER_04 (03:32):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (03:33):
And of course I ran, told my family, there was this
big uproar.
But that right there was uh aform of molestation being
touched in an appropriate way.
And so I thought it's so veryinteresting how you had a
similar experience, I had asimilar experience, and didn't
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even know it.
Exactly, and it is the name,right?
Yeah, yeah, didn't even know.
I mean, I think it's the firsttime you're hearing this story.
Um, you know, so having thatkind of shared experience and
not even knowing it, and then itdoes shape you and it shapes
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kind of how you think aboutyourself and uh why do I protect
me from this?
It all those different areas.
And so let me ask this question.
For I believe that earlychildhood experiences, ones we
just talked about, set thefoundation for adult behavior.
So looking back, do you see anyconnection between how that
early experience uh has impactedthe man you are now?
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Talk about that loving, knowingwhat love is, how to love
properly.
SPEAKER_04 (04:43):
Um yes, I mean from that experience, it um I'm gonna
put it like this dealing withthat experience, um it has
tainted in some ways, dealingwith my love.
You know, uh when it comes tofamily, because, you know,
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dealing with the years I'vebeen, you know, as grown to a
man now, I've seen how uh loveis transformed through family
and is not as loyal or loving asit's supposed to be.
So uh by me going through thechanges, you know, through life
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and how it's treated, or it itum I can say it hurt it hurts,
yeah.
But at the same time, I alwayshad a it was always a person on
that side of me, you know,Dorothy Mouse, his grandmother.
Um her love is the one that keptme, you know, firm.
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You know, not you know, uh goall the way to a negative
person, you know, not to bebitter from how you know I'm
treated and stuff like that.
So because, you know, it it's itit will it will it will uh it
can change a person.
Yeah.
So uh and that's how you have uhuh serial killers, rapers,
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psychopathic, you know,murderers, you know, that's how
you have those type of peoplebecause of dealing with their
childhood, right?
The look, you know what I'msaying, the attention, you know,
they wasn't receiving and it wasmisplaced.
Yeah.
So did it with me, and it andnow I fit in the same category
because I could have used thisand became bitter, you know.
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Absolutely.
Stuff like that.
But at the same time, I I Istill had that hope.
I still had that, you know, thatit's the love is still real, you
know, it's out there, you know,and it uh it just it just can't
be just gone like that, youknow.
And it's just hard to find,really, you know, because boy,
people is people's love is is isdifferent in different people's
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eyes.
They see love in different ways.
SPEAKER_03 (07:08):
So I I I I'm glad you gave tribute to our our
grandma, Dorothy Dorothy JonesMoss.
Yes, most definitely uh therewas a love.
I mean I love being around mygrandma.
What's interesting is everyfamily has a rhythm, it's
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dynamics, it's unwritten rules.
What do you feel our family gaveyou, whether through nature or
nurture, that became a strength?
We talked about a little bit,grandma's love, but anything
else that kind of strengthenyou?
SPEAKER_04 (07:44):
Um, strengthened me, um I mean I I really just can't
say I guess just uh and tobelieve.
I mean, I guess have faith.
You know what I'm saying?
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I mean, I I that's the onlything I could I can really just
see because without faith andhaving you know having the hope
that that love is out there, andyou know, that it's it's it's
kind of it's kind ofundescribable to display.
(08:26):
You know, it really is.
Because like I I've been throughso much, you know, uh, you know,
been locked up 23 years.
Uh and that's where I grew upat.
I became a man there.
So um it's really kind of hard,you know, because you know, when
you uh in a place like that,that's out of, you know, it's
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another whole differentcontinent, you know.
So you have to really get on theship to go come see us, you know
what I'm saying?
Come see a prisoner.
Uh so when you detach fromfamily, keep in mind 23 years, a
lot of things happen 23 years.
Uh different moods, peopledying, church born, you know,
you know, everything.
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Growing up to be where you at,you know, because you gotta keep
in mind, look, I've been gonefrom you 23 years, you know what
I'm saying?
And guess what?
And all that reality I have tolearn you all over again, also.
You know, uh, because for one, Iknow how uh patterns change,
characters change, you know whatI'm saying?
Um and one thing I can say, youall you still the same.
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You still the same.
Yeah, you ain't changed.
You ain't changed.
I love that.
You know what I'm saying?
I love that about you, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Um and that's why I'm always,you know, I'm always there to
hear you, you know what I'msaying?
Speak to you, can't wait to, youknow, be around you.
Because uh, yeah, you you're thesame, you know, and that's the
type of people I like to bearound the same, you know.
The um, because people haveintentions, you know, and even
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family members.
You know, and and and and sinceI've been out, guess what?
Family is more uh more of adownfall than anything.
And it's and it's crazy to saythat, but it is, you know.
Uh it's only very few, very fewminority family members that's
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that's real.
You are an exception, you know,top of the list, and I'm just
being honest.
Uh uh Little Bro Geronimo, yeah,it's just only very few.
It ain't much, you know, andit's sad, you know what I'm
saying, be carrying the samebloodline.
SPEAKER_05 (10:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
And the love is not adequate, it's not coinciding,
it ain't parallel.
It it makes no sense, you know.
It's just sad.
It's sad.
SPEAKER_03 (10:43):
Freud talks about the internal term of war, our
desires, our conscience, and thereality around us.
Do you feel that kind ofinternal conflict in right now
in you sometimes?
That internal conflict of kindof what's in you, what you don't
want to be, and all the time.
SPEAKER_04 (11:03):
All the time.
And I and I and I and I have to,and I have to keep myself at an
elevated state to keep myselfcalm, you know, happy.
Uh trying to I try my best tokeep myself being explosive
because I never know what thatexplosive leads to because of so
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much that's built up, you know.
And at the same time, I know Ihave the hat, I got that other
have it wants to explode.
It just wants to be TasmaniaDevil.
But at the same time, I'm like,that's that's not the way, you
know, because I know that'sdestruction.
You know, that's that's totaldestruction.
There is ain't no uh life fromthat, you know, when I go that
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way.
Um and and by me doing that, youknow, I I tend to my music, you
know, uh, you know, uh tend tomy wife, you know.
Um glad that I have my wifebecause uh she she pulls me, you
know, she pulls me streams andlink, hey, come back, you know
what I'm saying?
That fishing line.
Hey, come back here.
You know what I'm saying?
Hey, don't go out there.
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Don't don't go too far, you knowwhat I'm saying?
You already know it's out there.
Um and, you know, a I'm astubborn, you know.
Sometimes I still try to go outthere, but at the same time, I
listen to her.
Uh, and I'm glad she's besideme.
Uh and and guess what?
That's something I've beeneating all my life because I've
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been through, like, I ain'tgonna lie, you were, you know,
that brother I looked up to, Ilooked up to, and I still look
up to, that you know, I alwayswanted to be around you, you
know what I'm saying?
But it was only spurts.
That's that's how it was, and itwas and it was confusing because
I'm like, damn, around love, I'msomebody that really loved me,
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you know what I'm saying?
You know what I'm saying,willing the guy meet, you know,
uh, and I never could get that.
You know, it was hard for me toget that.
And it was um and it wasconflicted.
So that's the reason why, youknow, certain choices I made in
life in the way it did.
You know, being, you know, goingto the other side, then that
other man come out.
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So, yeah.
Um yeah, yeah, it's it's hard.
It's hard to contain that man,but at the same time, you have
to be in a positive environment.
You know, the only way you cantame is be in a positive
environment.
Keep yourself around negativepeople.
You know, if uh you know there'ssomething that's negative coming
around, hey, move around fromthere because guess what?
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You know there's a possibilitythat guess what?
You might get the negativefeedback.
It's a possibility.
You never know.
Um, and guess what?
Energy.
Deal with that negative energy,you know, uh demons, whatever
you want, whether you'respiritual or individualized,
it's there.
You know what I'm saying?
It's always there.
It's around you 24 sep.
You know what I'm saying?
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You got to fight it.
You know what I'm saying?
You have to be uh know yourself,know your know your will.
You know, if you don't knowthat, you know, hey, you
catalogs, you know what I'msaying?
Just just hope that you andprayerfully that you contain
yourself and uh pick the rightside, really.
SPEAKER_03 (14:10):
One of the things you talked about is this whole
thing of not allowing people'snegative influences to negative
influence.
SPEAKER_04 (14:20):
That's good.
SPEAKER_03 (14:21):
Listen, one thing I know about you is that you've
always had a resilience.
You know, it's it's been a quietstrength.
And so where do you think thatcomes from?
That that resilience?
Is it something that you thinkis in you by nature or something
that was poured into you bynurse that that that quiet
strength?
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Because it's there.
SPEAKER_04 (14:44):
Dorothy Miles, Dorothy Jones Miles, and that
hey, that's because she wasquiet.
SPEAKER_00 (14:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (14:51):
She was quiet, she humble, she, you know what I'm
saying?
She didn't have to yell, shedidn't, none of that.
You know, so automaticallythat's and that's where I
learned that from.
That's that's who I seen.
You know, that's that's who keptman.
It's I hate, I'm oh my god.
But it's that's who kept me realtall.
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That's who kept me really just,you know, uh uh seeing that, you
know, said is is I'm gonna havea better outcome.
Um it's gonna be all right.
SPEAKER_03 (15:23):
What I'm hearing you say is that it was her nurture
in you poured into you that gaveyou that hunt.
It was something that was donequietly, not with many words,
but just by drowned.
SPEAKER_04 (15:35):
Anytime I ran away, anytime I ran away, I'm coming
to the house, two o'clock in themorning, one or thirty in the
morning.
Guess what?
She ain't said nothing.
Opened the door, grabbed apillow, blanket.
She ain't said nothing.
Ain't had no words, no nothing.
Off mat up in the morning, 5,4:30 in the morning, cooking
breakfast, smelling bacon eggs,you know, harmony.
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Uh grandpa, I'm just being real.
That's that's what it was.
So guess what?
And guess what?
She still never questioned.
She understood, you know whatI'm saying?
She knew what I was goingthrough because guess what?
I was going through it throughbirth.
You gotta keep in mind, grandmawas fighting for me since birth,
you know.
Did it between my mother and herand my auntie.
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So, Aunt Kate, you know, rest inpeace, you know.
And that's what kept me, youknow.
And boy, I'm really going tears,you know what I'm saying?
Because it it really was.
That was the only love that wasthere.
And and keep in mind that I wasa young child, and when they was
all that tussling uh with themwhen they was grown, you know.
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So I never seen that, but at thesame time, I feel it.
Yeah, or I understand, you know.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (16:47):
Well, you you said you said rest in peace to uh
Wanda K.
Sherman.
Now, now that's the marriedname, Wanda K.
Sherman.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (17:00):
You knew her.
We knew her for a long time.
It was Wanda K.
Joe.
Listen, I love that woman somuch.
Um, man.
We're gonna stop talking aboutthat because we we might this
podcast may end real quickly.
We don't we go down that path.
Because Gina, I'm totallyreading you.
That's the beautiful thing abouthaving caring adults in our
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lives.
And that's that's what I try todo.
I try to be that that caringadult in the life of young
people, uh, young adults, evenadults, because uh people talked
about when uh our Auntie Kaypassed away.
I heard stories say, man, Icould call Wanda and talk to
her, she was just listening, andshe being just providing courage
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and words.
She always had the right thingto say.
I'm listening to this.
I'm thinking, right?
Man, that's where that comesfrom.
SPEAKER_04 (17:51):
That's where that guess what?
And I've never heard of it.
It's just a thing.
SPEAKER_03 (17:56):
I've been oh man, oh yeah.
Tell me, tell me what would yousay is the most important lesson
that your adulthood has taughtyou.
SPEAKER_04 (18:11):
My adulthood has taught me to be patient, be
humble, be forgiving, be strong,and and not to be proud.
You know, um, yeah, it you know,yeah, my doodle tell me all that
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because man, I'm you know, rightnow, you know, like I say, been
like the 23 years coming out.
I've been out since October 1st,2021.
Uh it's 2000, it's November25th, 2025.
So let you know, I hey, keptmyself out and I'm not going
back in.
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Uh and dealing with that, it'staught me a lot because I'm
learned about people.
And I learned that uh it you gotto survive and and and and take
care of what's around you that'sfor you.
You know, uh to be if a personain't for you, or you know, or
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even just or or or or uhaccomplishing anything, you know
what I'm saying, or beingstagnated in life, you gotta
move around.
Uh what'd you say, baby?
Not a line.
Perfect.
Not a line.
Um because um this world is isis and the Bible even says it,
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it did it with the family.
Everything will, you know, go tochaos.
You know what I'm saying?
Hey, your mother gets mother,father gets father, I mean your
father gets son, mother gets.
Daughter, stuff like that.
It's happening.
We see this, and guess what?
It's getting worse and worse bythe day.
So I uh I'm grateful to still bealive, as you say, to be see the
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years I'm seeing.
Uh and at the same time, dealwith my family that I've
developed.
I want better for us.
Uh, and at the same time, I usethis my adulthood.
I'm still crawling.
Still.
Because you know, like you say,I've been taken away since I was
a teenager.
So really, I really had theadulthood that I supposed to
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have as responsibilities, youknow, of having a house, you
know, say maintaining a job,like I supposed to uh, you know,
and you know, getting all thespecial uh uh uh uh adult uh
perks that we supposed to have,you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03 (20:54):
So we listen, we've talked about childhood, we've
talked about um, you know, uhyour young adult clothes.
Most of those years spent in inprison, you know.
In prison.
Uh in prison.
And so you went in at how old?
SPEAKER_04 (21:09):
I went at 17.
SPEAKER_03 (21:11):
17.
Came out how old?
SPEAKER_04 (21:13):
I came out first at 25.
SPEAKER_03 (21:16):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (21:17):
And went back before my birthday.
Yeah.
So went back and came out at 41.
SPEAKER_03 (21:23):
Wow.
Wow.
unknown (21:24):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (21:26):
So 17, I decided 1741.
Yeah.
We know it was there.
I don't count the 10 months.
Yeah, that you was literally 41.
Yeah.
Yeah, that um, yeah, that's likea that's a that's a that's a
word release.
That's a yeah.
That was a partlow.
SPEAKER_03 (21:41):
And so I I'm curious about the future and the hope
you have.
So, what I want to ask you isthis tell me what is something
that you're working on right nowthat gives you hope.
You s you send me music all thetime to talk to me.
SPEAKER_04 (21:59):
Oh always.
You about to go down.
Um, well, automatically, mypassion for music is there.
And and that's what I want tobring out.
Uh, passion for music.
Uh right now I have a uh LLCstarted with food on the hustle.
SPEAKER_05 (22:17):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (22:18):
Uh me and my wife.
Um, so I'm trying to get thatstarted up.
Um, we both trying to get thisstarted up.
And really my marriage.
Yeah.
That's uh main three things thatthen right now that's that's got
me real hopeful because I see,you know, I see myself, you
know, I'm I'm I see myselfbuilding an empire.
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Like I said, uh before I'm 50,yeah, I'm being financially
stable.
Okay.
I'm I'm counting on that, youknow, and and guess what?
And I'm pushing and I'm pushingforward towards that.
And and that's what I'm doing.
I'm setting plays.
Um and me and my wife, uh, bothof us with the same intellect,
uh, with the same, we'reparallel.
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We we we're ambitioned to pushtowards that because we, you
know, we're tired, you know.
I'm tired, you know.
Uh, and guess what?
It's time, it's it's overdue,you know.
I'm uh I'm ready for myblessings.
I'm I've been through so much,you know.
Uh I've I've took so much, I'vesuffered, I've regret, uh, and
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I've, you know, and like I say,I really I I I truly believe I
pay my dues.
Uh uh and I'm ready to receivethe blessings, you know, receive
them, you know, and uh andbecause I have, you know, I want
to start a vote for uh youngpeople, you know, uh give
people, you know, because Itattoo.
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Uh I want to start vote.
I want to start a vocationaltrade for young people because
that's not out here.
Uh people's not, you know, it'sa lot of things I want to do.
I have so much things to do.
I'm multi-talented, you know,from painting to, you know,
building houses to carpentry.
I I can do everything.
You know, and at the same time,I'm type person.
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I dance, I draw, I writeeverything.
I have it all.
There ain't wrong with melearning, and I'm willing to
learn.
So, you know, and that's how Iam, and I'm willing to, and as I
say, um, it's it's it's noreason for nobody to be broke
out here.
You know what I'm saying?
Uh, you know, there's plenty ofways to make money.
(24:23):
Person ain't gotta steal, healedor sell dope, none of that to
make money.
Man, so much money out here toget it's possible.
Let me say every day.
SPEAKER_03 (24:34):
Let me ask you two more questions.
Two more questions.
SPEAKER_02 (24:37):
Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_03 (24:38):
First question What does healing look like for you
as you continue your journey?
What does healing look like?
SPEAKER_04 (24:46):
You've kind of it looks beautiful to me.
SPEAKER_03 (24:48):
It looks beautiful.
SPEAKER_04 (24:49):
It looks beautiful, it looks beautiful because I've
been scarred.
SPEAKER_02 (24:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (24:54):
You know, I've been scarred, torn, and guess what?
To this day I'm still gettingtorn.
SPEAKER_02 (24:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (25:01):
Piece by piece, shredded, you know.
But at the same time, I havelove.
Yeah my that love is the onlything that keeps me from tearing
apart, from explode, turn intotask with me endeavor.
unknown (25:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (25:17):
That's the only thing.
Love.
And it's just and that and thatand that's it.
Without love, hey, I'd be lost.
SPEAKER_02 (25:27):
Real real talk.
And you can speak.
Love the only thing that keepsme hope.
Love, love keeps me hope.
Love is the only thing.
SPEAKER_03 (25:34):
If you can speak to someone uh listening who is
struggling between who they wereraised to be and who they feel
called to be, what wisdom wouldyou give them?
SPEAKER_04 (25:47):
Repeat that one more time.
SPEAKER_03 (25:50):
If you can speak to someone listening who is
struggling between who they wereraised to be, okay, who they
feel called to be, okay, whatwisdom would you give them?
Because you know how like whenpeople are speaking to our lives
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that we're not gonna be nothing,speaking to our lives, like the
no griddaddy, they speak allthings in our lives, right?
SPEAKER_04 (26:20):
And they heard it on my life.
Right, and they heard it all mylife.
And I'm gonna tell yousomething.
That would be like this forwhoever's listening.
Yeah, when a person is speakingnegative, speaking down,
speaking against you, speakingill, I'm talking about to where
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it kills you.
Guess what?
Use it as your strength.
That I use that's my fuel,that's my strength.
Because all my life, person, Iwill be nothing.
You'll be a crackhead, just likeyour daddy.
You know what I'm saying?
You'll be nothing.
You you you'll never grow to benothing.
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But I've accomplished so manythings since I've been out.
You know what I'm saying?
I've I've already accomplished,I've had my own art exhibit.
I missed, I missed it, but I hadthe opportunity, and I got that
since I've been out.
I I ran motels, I've been amanager of motels and never did
this in my life.
(27:23):
You see what I'm saying?
I've been to college, I got myGD.
Guess what?
I did things that the sameperson who said that I would not
be amount to nothing.
Guess what?
GED.
Been to college.
Uh, and guess what?
And I'm gonna continue to goforward.
My music, I got music that thatis loved in uh in everywhere.
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Nigeria, Cambodia, all over theworld.
SPEAKER_03 (27:54):
Through ramping Let me say these say these words
that many men don't say to oneanother sometimes, but I'll say
these words, and these words Ithink are so very important, and
that is I'm proud of you.
SPEAKER_04 (28:09):
And I love you.
Thank you.
And I love you too, and I'mproud of you too, bro.
Because guess what?
You're listening you're reallythe main thing that really kept
another thing that kept mepushing because one, you gotta
keep in mind, you were theyoungest preacher in Kansas
City, Missouri, at the age of21.
SPEAKER_03 (28:26):
Actually 16.
Oh, see, didn't know that.
This is big what's funny aboutthat is I preached my first
sermon November 29th, 1992.
SPEAKER_02 (28:38):
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03 (28:39):
I was 16 years old, and it'll be 33 years this
November 29th, 2025.
33 years.
SPEAKER_04 (28:48):
And guess what?
Well, I was at in 1992, November29th.
SPEAKER_03 (28:52):
Where is that at?
SPEAKER_04 (28:54):
I just got turned, I just got admitted in to FAC,
Family Attention Center.
Wow.
On my birthday.
unknown (29:02):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (29:02):
November 24th.
unknown (29:04):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (29:04):
I was admitted in to the Family Attention Center on
my birthday.
They were done with me, got ridof me.
1992.
That was my birthday present, asa matter of fact.
1992, November 24th.
Wow.
Yes, that was the birthdaypresent.
A gift for only you and onlyyou.
(29:25):
Jamar Draymore, you can't havethat this gift.
This is only for Jimmy.
Yes.
1992.
So that's the reason why I neverknew.
Because that's the year.
I was gone.
SPEAKER_03 (29:37):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_04 (29:39):
Yes, sir.
Like well, I've been through,I've been through it all by.
SPEAKER_03 (29:44):
See, I I was I was trying to move, I was trying to
move to a conclusion of theepisode.
Go ahead and go we'll see thistill we're talking.
No, no, no.
This is this is part two.
This this is how we haveconversations, and we never got
the phone because they neverkeep talking over.
(30:04):
Hey, hey, it's gonna, hey boy, Igot a book.
Listen, I can write a book.
There is a book in you, and I'mready to read it.
Yes, I might help you writethat.
I'm ready to release it.
I'm gonna help you write a book.
Listen, listen, man.
I want to thank you for thisconversation.
I want to thank you for yourhonesty, your heart, your story.
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And this journey shows thatfamily is more than history.
It's living, it's breathingtestimony of growth, and you are
living proof of how nature givesus our starting ingredients, and
nature shapes the recipe.
And so, to my listener, I wantyou to know remember,
transformation is alwayspossible.
Your past informs you, but itdoes not imprison you, and you
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have the power to make choicesthat create a future that you
can shape.
That you do, you can you can doit.
Listen, I want to thank you allfor listening and stay tuned for
our next episode.
SPEAKER_04 (31:02):
Yes, sir.
Thank you.
And so get ready for another exciting, honest
conversation.
This is Jermaine Alberty andlistening to the soft talk.
SPEAKER_03 (00:39):
Hello, buddy.
This is Jermaine Alberty, and Iam so excited about this
conversation.
It is so special to me becauseit's actually personal.
It's rooted in family and in thejourney of discovering who we
are and how we become.
And I'm honored to sit down withmy brother.
And may I want to welcome youhere?
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
Nice beard.
SPEAKER_03 (01:03):
Listen, we're going to talk about some childhood
memories, a young adulthood, andthe lessons we've learned
sometimes the hard way and howthose moments shape us as men.
We're also going to look at theage-old conversation of nature
versus nurture, which is a modeldeveloped by Sigmund Freud,
which believed about the forcesthat shape our behavior and how
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we live experiences either whenthey're affirmed or they
challenge that theory.
So I want y'all to grab anotebook.
I want you to grab some coffee,some tea, and we're going to get
into it.
So let's start off with ourfirst conversation.
I want to welcome you onceagain, and I'm glad we finally
are getting a chance to havethis conversation.
(01:49):
Because it's been a long timecool.
SPEAKER_04 (01:51):
Yes, it has.
Yes, it has.
Real long time.
Real long time.
SPEAKER_03 (01:56):
So let's start uh at the beginning.
When you think about yourchildhood, what stands out most
to you?
SPEAKER_04 (02:04):
Um stands out most to me did in my childhood is um,
I guess the love.
Um because then in my childhood,my love was like it was
misplaced.
It misplaced.
You know, had me going incircles, you know, traveling
(02:26):
from different family to family,which is my mother, my father,
and grandmother, you know, soand all.
So um it it was uh that was thething stood out because of, you
know, urban molestation, stufflike that.
So it really tainted my love andmisplaced it to where it was
(02:48):
misconstrued.
It really was.
SPEAKER_03 (02:51):
Wow, wow.
I tell you, what's so veryinteresting is that some folks
grew up in the same familyenvironments, right?
And sometimes end up living somany different lives.
Right, right, right.
I think also what is sointeresting is the patterns that
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happen in families.
I can recall being uh a young, II don't know if I was like seven
years old.
Um, I want to say somewherearound that that uh age, but I
was uh at my grandmother'shouse, and one of the neighbors
touching me in an inappropriateway.
SPEAKER_04 (03:32):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (03:33):
And of course I ran, told my family, there was this
big uproar.
But that right there was uh aform of molestation being
touched in an appropriate way.
And so I thought it's so veryinteresting how you had a
similar experience, I had asimilar experience, and didn't
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even know it.
Exactly, and it is the name,right?
Yeah, yeah, didn't even know.
I mean, I think it's the firsttime you're hearing this story.
Um, you know, so having thatkind of shared experience and
not even knowing it, and then itdoes shape you and it shapes
(04:15):
kind of how you think aboutyourself and uh why do I protect
me from this?
It all those different areas.
And so let me ask this question.
For I believe that earlychildhood experiences, ones we
just talked about, set thefoundation for adult behavior.
So looking back, do you see anyconnection between how that
early experience uh has impactedthe man you are now?
(04:37):
Talk about that loving, knowingwhat love is, how to love
properly.
SPEAKER_04 (04:43):
Um yes, I mean from that experience, it um I'm gonna
put it like this dealing withthat experience, um it has
tainted in some ways, dealingwith my love.
You know, uh when it comes tofamily, because, you know,
(05:05):
dealing with the years I'vebeen, you know, as grown to a
man now, I've seen how uh loveis transformed through family
and is not as loyal or loving asit's supposed to be.
So uh by me going through thechanges, you know, through life
(05:28):
and how it's treated, or it itum I can say it hurt it hurts,
yeah.
But at the same time, I alwayshad a it was always a person on
that side of me, you know,Dorothy Mouse, his grandmother.
Um her love is the one that keptme, you know, firm.
(05:53):
You know, not you know, uh goall the way to a negative
person, you know, not to bebitter from how you know I'm
treated and stuff like that.
So because, you know, it it's itit will it will it will uh it
can change a person.
Yeah.
So uh and that's how you have uhuh serial killers, rapers,
(06:19):
psychopathic, you know,murderers, you know, that's how
you have those type of peoplebecause of dealing with their
childhood, right?
The look, you know what I'msaying, the attention, you know,
they wasn't receiving and it wasmisplaced.
Yeah.
So did it with me, and it andnow I fit in the same category
because I could have used thisand became bitter, you know.
(06:40):
Absolutely.
Stuff like that.
But at the same time, I I Istill had that hope.
I still had that, you know, thatit's the love is still real, you
know, it's out there, you know,and it uh it just it just can't
be just gone like that, youknow.
And it's just hard to find,really, you know, because boy,
people is people's love is is isdifferent in different people's
(07:05):
eyes.
They see love in different ways.
SPEAKER_03 (07:08):
So I I I I'm glad you gave tribute to our our
grandma, Dorothy Dorothy JonesMoss.
Yes, most definitely uh therewas a love.
I mean I love being around mygrandma.
What's interesting is everyfamily has a rhythm, it's
(07:28):
dynamics, it's unwritten rules.
What do you feel our family gaveyou, whether through nature or
nurture, that became a strength?
We talked about a little bit,grandma's love, but anything
else that kind of strengthenyou?
SPEAKER_04 (07:44):
Um, strengthened me, um I mean I I really just can't
say I guess just uh and tobelieve.
I mean, I guess have faith.
You know what I'm saying?
(08:05):
I mean, I I that's the onlything I could I can really just
see because without faith andhaving you know having the hope
that that love is out there, andyou know, that it's it's it's
kind of it's kind ofundescribable to display.
(08:26):
You know, it really is.
Because like I I've been throughso much, you know, uh, you know,
been locked up 23 years.
Uh and that's where I grew upat.
I became a man there.
So um it's really kind of hard,you know, because you know, when
you uh in a place like that,that's out of, you know, it's
(08:48):
another whole differentcontinent, you know.
So you have to really get on theship to go come see us, you know
what I'm saying?
Come see a prisoner.
Uh so when you detach fromfamily, keep in mind 23 years, a
lot of things happen 23 years.
Uh different moods, peopledying, church born, you know,
you know, everything.
(09:08):
Growing up to be where you at,you know, because you gotta keep
in mind, look, I've been gonefrom you 23 years, you know what
I'm saying?
And guess what?
And all that reality I have tolearn you all over again, also.
You know, uh, because for one, Iknow how uh patterns change,
characters change, you know whatI'm saying?
Um and one thing I can say, youall you still the same.
(09:29):
You still the same.
Yeah, you ain't changed.
You ain't changed.
I love that.
You know what I'm saying?
I love that about you, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Um and that's why I'm always,you know, I'm always there to
hear you, you know what I'msaying?
Speak to you, can't wait to, youknow, be around you.
Because uh, yeah, you you're thesame, you know, and that's the
type of people I like to bearound the same, you know.
The um, because people haveintentions, you know, and even
(09:54):
family members.
You know, and and and and sinceI've been out, guess what?
Family is more uh more of adownfall than anything.
And it's and it's crazy to saythat, but it is, you know.
Uh it's only very few, very fewminority family members that's
(10:15):
that's real.
You are an exception, you know,top of the list, and I'm just
being honest.
Uh uh Little Bro Geronimo, yeah,it's just only very few.
It ain't much, you know, andit's sad, you know what I'm
saying, be carrying the samebloodline.
SPEAKER_05 (10:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (10:30):
And the love is not adequate, it's not coinciding,
it ain't parallel.
It it makes no sense, you know.
It's just sad.
It's sad.
SPEAKER_03 (10:43):
Freud talks about the internal term of war, our
desires, our conscience, and thereality around us.
Do you feel that kind ofinternal conflict in right now
in you sometimes?
That internal conflict of kindof what's in you, what you don't
want to be, and all the time.
SPEAKER_04 (11:03):
All the time.
And I and I and I and I have to,and I have to keep myself at an
elevated state to keep myselfcalm, you know, happy.
Uh trying to I try my best tokeep myself being explosive
because I never know what thatexplosive leads to because of so
(11:24):
much that's built up, you know.
And at the same time, I know Ihave the hat, I got that other
have it wants to explode.
It just wants to be TasmaniaDevil.
But at the same time, I'm like,that's that's not the way, you
know, because I know that'sdestruction.
You know, that's that's totaldestruction.
There is ain't no uh life fromthat, you know, when I go that
(11:48):
way.
Um and and by me doing that, youknow, I I tend to my music, you
know, uh, you know, uh tend tomy wife, you know.
Um glad that I have my wifebecause uh she she pulls me, you
know, she pulls me streams andlink, hey, come back, you know
what I'm saying?
That fishing line.
Hey, come back here.
You know what I'm saying?
Hey, don't go out there.
(12:09):
Don't don't go too far, you knowwhat I'm saying?
You already know it's out there.
Um and, you know, a I'm astubborn, you know.
Sometimes I still try to go outthere, but at the same time, I
listen to her.
Uh, and I'm glad she's besideme.
Uh and and guess what?
That's something I've beeneating all my life because I've
(12:29):
been through, like, I ain'tgonna lie, you were, you know,
that brother I looked up to, Ilooked up to, and I still look
up to, that you know, I alwayswanted to be around you, you
know what I'm saying?
But it was only spurts.
That's that's how it was, and itwas and it was confusing because
I'm like, damn, around love, I'msomebody that really loved me,
(12:51):
you know what I'm saying?
You know what I'm saying,willing the guy meet, you know,
uh, and I never could get that.
You know, it was hard for me toget that.
And it was um and it wasconflicted.
So that's the reason why, youknow, certain choices I made in
life in the way it did.
You know, being, you know, goingto the other side, then that
other man come out.
(13:11):
So, yeah.
Um yeah, yeah, it's it's hard.
It's hard to contain that man,but at the same time, you have
to be in a positive environment.
You know, the only way you cantame is be in a positive
environment.
Keep yourself around negativepeople.
You know, if uh you know there'ssomething that's negative coming
around, hey, move around fromthere because guess what?
(13:33):
You know there's a possibilitythat guess what?
You might get the negativefeedback.
It's a possibility.
You never know.
Um, and guess what?
Energy.
Deal with that negative energy,you know, uh demons, whatever
you want, whether you'respiritual or individualized,
it's there.
You know what I'm saying?
It's always there.
It's around you 24 sep.
You know what I'm saying?
(13:54):
You got to fight it.
You know what I'm saying?
You have to be uh know yourself,know your know your will.
You know, if you don't knowthat, you know, hey, you
catalogs, you know what I'msaying?
Just just hope that you andprayerfully that you contain
yourself and uh pick the rightside, really.
SPEAKER_03 (14:10):
One of the things you talked about is this whole
thing of not allowing people'snegative influences to negative
influence.
SPEAKER_04 (14:20):
That's good.
SPEAKER_03 (14:21):
Listen, one thing I know about you is that you've
always had a resilience.
You know, it's it's been a quietstrength.
And so where do you think thatcomes from?
That that resilience?
Is it something that you thinkis in you by nature or something
that was poured into you bynurse that that that quiet
strength?
(14:41):
Because it's there.
SPEAKER_04 (14:44):
Dorothy Miles, Dorothy Jones Miles, and that
hey, that's because she wasquiet.
SPEAKER_00 (14:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (14:51):
She was quiet, she humble, she, you know what I'm
saying?
She didn't have to yell, shedidn't, none of that.
You know, so automaticallythat's and that's where I
learned that from.
That's that's who I seen.
You know, that's that's who keptman.
It's I hate, I'm oh my god.
But it's that's who kept me realtall.
(15:13):
That's who kept me really just,you know, uh uh seeing that, you
know, said is is I'm gonna havea better outcome.
Um it's gonna be all right.
SPEAKER_03 (15:23):
What I'm hearing you say is that it was her nurture
in you poured into you that gaveyou that hunt.
It was something that was donequietly, not with many words,
but just by drowned.
SPEAKER_04 (15:35):
Anytime I ran away, anytime I ran away, I'm coming
to the house, two o'clock in themorning, one or thirty in the
morning.
Guess what?
She ain't said nothing.
Opened the door, grabbed apillow, blanket.
She ain't said nothing.
Ain't had no words, no nothing.
Off mat up in the morning, 5,4:30 in the morning, cooking
breakfast, smelling bacon eggs,you know, harmony.
(15:57):
Uh grandpa, I'm just being real.
That's that's what it was.
So guess what?
And guess what?
She still never questioned.
She understood, you know whatI'm saying?
She knew what I was goingthrough because guess what?
I was going through it throughbirth.
You gotta keep in mind, grandmawas fighting for me since birth,
you know.
Did it between my mother and herand my auntie.
(16:18):
So, Aunt Kate, you know, rest inpeace, you know.
And that's what kept me, youknow.
And boy, I'm really going tears,you know what I'm saying?
Because it it really was.
That was the only love that wasthere.
And and keep in mind that I wasa young child, and when they was
all that tussling uh with themwhen they was grown, you know.
(16:39):
So I never seen that, but at thesame time, I feel it.
Yeah, or I understand, you know.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (16:47):
Well, you you said you said rest in peace to uh
Wanda K.
Sherman.
Now, now that's the marriedname, Wanda K.
Sherman.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (17:00):
You knew her.
We knew her for a long time.
It was Wanda K.
Joe.
Listen, I love that woman somuch.
Um, man.
We're gonna stop talking aboutthat because we we might this
podcast may end real quickly.
We don't we go down that path.
Because Gina, I'm totallyreading you.
That's the beautiful thing abouthaving caring adults in our
(17:21):
lives.
And that's that's what I try todo.
I try to be that that caringadult in the life of young
people, uh, young adults, evenadults, because uh people talked
about when uh our Auntie Kaypassed away.
I heard stories say, man, Icould call Wanda and talk to
her, she was just listening, andshe being just providing courage
(17:43):
and words.
She always had the right thingto say.
I'm listening to this.
I'm thinking, right?
Man, that's where that comesfrom.
SPEAKER_04 (17:51):
That's where that guess what?
And I've never heard of it.
It's just a thing.
SPEAKER_03 (17:56):
I've been oh man, oh yeah.
Tell me, tell me what would yousay is the most important lesson
that your adulthood has taughtyou.
SPEAKER_04 (18:11):
My adulthood has taught me to be patient, be
humble, be forgiving, be strong,and and not to be proud.
You know, um, yeah, it you know,yeah, my doodle tell me all that
(18:40):
because man, I'm you know, rightnow, you know, like I say, been
like the 23 years coming out.
I've been out since October 1st,2021.
Uh it's 2000, it's November25th, 2025.
So let you know, I hey, keptmyself out and I'm not going
back in.
(19:00):
Uh and dealing with that, it'staught me a lot because I'm
learned about people.
And I learned that uh it you gotto survive and and and and take
care of what's around you that'sfor you.
You know, uh to be if a personain't for you, or you know, or
(19:25):
even just or or or or uhaccomplishing anything, you know
what I'm saying, or beingstagnated in life, you gotta
move around.
Uh what'd you say, baby?
Not a line.
Perfect.
Not a line.
Um because um this world is isis and the Bible even says it,
(19:49):
it did it with the family.
Everything will, you know, go tochaos.
You know what I'm saying?
Hey, your mother gets mother,father gets father, I mean your
father gets son, mother gets.
Daughter, stuff like that.
It's happening.
We see this, and guess what?
It's getting worse and worse bythe day.
So I uh I'm grateful to still bealive, as you say, to be see the
(20:14):
years I'm seeing.
Uh and at the same time, dealwith my family that I've
developed.
I want better for us.
Uh, and at the same time, I usethis my adulthood.
I'm still crawling.
Still.
Because you know, like you say,I've been taken away since I was
a teenager.
So really, I really had theadulthood that I supposed to
(20:36):
have as responsibilities, youknow, of having a house, you
know, say maintaining a job,like I supposed to uh, you know,
and you know, getting all thespecial uh uh uh uh adult uh
perks that we supposed to have,you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03 (20:54):
So we listen, we've talked about childhood, we've
talked about um, you know, uhyour young adult clothes.
Most of those years spent in inprison, you know.
In prison.
Uh in prison.
And so you went in at how old?
SPEAKER_04 (21:09):
I went at 17.
SPEAKER_03 (21:11):
17.
Came out how old?
SPEAKER_04 (21:13):
I came out first at 25.
SPEAKER_03 (21:16):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (21:17):
And went back before my birthday.
Yeah.
So went back and came out at 41.
SPEAKER_03 (21:23):
Wow.
Wow.
unknown (21:24):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (21:26):
So 17, I decided 1741.
Yeah.
We know it was there.
I don't count the 10 months.
Yeah, that you was literally 41.
Yeah.
Yeah, that um, yeah, that's likea that's a that's a that's a
word release.
That's a yeah.
That was a partlow.
SPEAKER_03 (21:41):
And so I I'm curious about the future and the hope
you have.
So, what I want to ask you isthis tell me what is something
that you're working on right nowthat gives you hope.
You s you send me music all thetime to talk to me.
SPEAKER_04 (21:59):
Oh always.
You about to go down.
Um, well, automatically, mypassion for music is there.
And and that's what I want tobring out.
Uh, passion for music.
Uh right now I have a uh LLCstarted with food on the hustle.
SPEAKER_05 (22:17):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (22:18):
Uh me and my wife.
Um, so I'm trying to get thatstarted up.
Um, we both trying to get thisstarted up.
And really my marriage.
Yeah.
That's uh main three things thatthen right now that's that's got
me real hopeful because I see,you know, I see myself, you
know, I'm I'm I see myselfbuilding an empire.
(22:38):
Like I said, uh before I'm 50,yeah, I'm being financially
stable.
Okay.
I'm I'm counting on that, youknow, and and guess what?
And I'm pushing and I'm pushingforward towards that.
And and that's what I'm doing.
I'm setting plays.
Um and me and my wife, uh, bothof us with the same intellect,
uh, with the same, we'reparallel.
(23:00):
We we we're ambitioned to pushtowards that because we, you
know, we're tired, you know.
I'm tired, you know.
Uh, and guess what?
It's time, it's it's overdue,you know.
I'm uh I'm ready for myblessings.
I'm I've been through so much,you know.
Uh I've I've took so much, I'vesuffered, I've regret, uh, and
(23:20):
I've, you know, and like I say,I really I I I truly believe I
pay my dues.
Uh uh and I'm ready to receivethe blessings, you know, receive
them, you know, and uh andbecause I have, you know, I want
to start a vote for uh youngpeople, you know, uh give
people, you know, because Itattoo.
(23:41):
Uh I want to start vote.
I want to start a vocationaltrade for young people because
that's not out here.
Uh people's not, you know, it'sa lot of things I want to do.
I have so much things to do.
I'm multi-talented, you know,from painting to, you know,
building houses to carpentry.
I I can do everything.
You know, and at the same time,I'm type person.
(24:02):
I dance, I draw, I writeeverything.
I have it all.
There ain't wrong with melearning, and I'm willing to
learn.
So, you know, and that's how Iam, and I'm willing to, and as I
say, um, it's it's it's noreason for nobody to be broke
out here.
You know what I'm saying?
Uh, you know, there's plenty ofways to make money.
(24:23):
Person ain't gotta steal, healedor sell dope, none of that to
make money.
Man, so much money out here toget it's possible.
Let me say every day.
SPEAKER_03 (24:34):
Let me ask you two more questions.
Two more questions.
SPEAKER_02 (24:37):
Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_03 (24:38):
First question What does healing look like for you
as you continue your journey?
What does healing look like?
SPEAKER_04 (24:46):
You've kind of it looks beautiful to me.
SPEAKER_03 (24:48):
It looks beautiful.
SPEAKER_04 (24:49):
It looks beautiful, it looks beautiful because I've
been scarred.
SPEAKER_02 (24:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (24:54):
You know, I've been scarred, torn, and guess what?
To this day I'm still gettingtorn.
SPEAKER_02 (24:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (25:01):
Piece by piece, shredded, you know.
But at the same time, I havelove.
Yeah my that love is the onlything that keeps me from tearing
apart, from explode, turn intotask with me endeavor.
unknown (25:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (25:17):
That's the only thing.
Love.
And it's just and that and thatand that's it.
Without love, hey, I'd be lost.
SPEAKER_02 (25:27):
Real real talk.
And you can speak.
Love the only thing that keepsme hope.
Love, love keeps me hope.
Love is the only thing.
SPEAKER_03 (25:34):
If you can speak to someone uh listening who is
struggling between who they wereraised to be and who they feel
called to be, what wisdom wouldyou give them?
SPEAKER_04 (25:47):
Repeat that one more time.
SPEAKER_03 (25:50):
If you can speak to someone listening who is
struggling between who they wereraised to be, okay, who they
feel called to be, okay, whatwisdom would you give them?
Because you know how like whenpeople are speaking to our lives
(26:12):
that we're not gonna be nothing,speaking to our lives, like the
no griddaddy, they speak allthings in our lives, right?
SPEAKER_04 (26:20):
And they heard it on my life.
Right, and they heard it all mylife.
And I'm gonna tell yousomething.
That would be like this forwhoever's listening.
Yeah, when a person is speakingnegative, speaking down,
speaking against you, speakingill, I'm talking about to where
(26:41):
it kills you.
Guess what?
Use it as your strength.
That I use that's my fuel,that's my strength.
Because all my life, person, Iwill be nothing.
You'll be a crackhead, just likeyour daddy.
You know what I'm saying?
You'll be nothing.
You you you'll never grow to benothing.
(27:02):
But I've accomplished so manythings since I've been out.
You know what I'm saying?
I've I've already accomplished,I've had my own art exhibit.
I missed, I missed it, but I hadthe opportunity, and I got that
since I've been out.
I I ran motels, I've been amanager of motels and never did
this in my life.
(27:23):
You see what I'm saying?
I've been to college, I got myGD.
Guess what?
I did things that the sameperson who said that I would not
be amount to nothing.
Guess what?
GED.
Been to college.
Uh, and guess what?
And I'm gonna continue to goforward.
My music, I got music that thatis loved in uh in everywhere.
(27:48):
Nigeria, Cambodia, all over theworld.
SPEAKER_03 (27:54):
Through ramping Let me say these say these words
that many men don't say to oneanother sometimes, but I'll say
these words, and these words Ithink are so very important, and
that is I'm proud of you.
SPEAKER_04 (28:09):
And I love you.
Thank you.
And I love you too, and I'mproud of you too, bro.
Because guess what?
You're listening you're reallythe main thing that really kept
another thing that kept mepushing because one, you gotta
keep in mind, you were theyoungest preacher in Kansas
City, Missouri, at the age of21.
SPEAKER_03 (28:26):
Actually 16.
Oh, see, didn't know that.
This is big what's funny aboutthat is I preached my first
sermon November 29th, 1992.
SPEAKER_02 (28:38):
You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03 (28:39):
I was 16 years old, and it'll be 33 years this
November 29th, 2025.
33 years.
SPEAKER_04 (28:48):
And guess what?
Well, I was at in 1992, November29th.
SPEAKER_03 (28:52):
Where is that at?
SPEAKER_04 (28:54):
I just got turned, I just got admitted in to FAC,
Family Attention Center.
Wow.
On my birthday.
unknown (29:02):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (29:02):
November 24th.
unknown (29:04):
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (29:04):
I was admitted in to the Family Attention Center on
my birthday.
They were done with me, got ridof me.
1992.
That was my birthday present, asa matter of fact.
1992, November 24th.
Wow.
Yes, that was the birthdaypresent.
A gift for only you and onlyyou.
(29:25):
Jamar Draymore, you can't havethat this gift.
This is only for Jimmy.
Yes.
1992.
So that's the reason why I neverknew.
Because that's the year.
I was gone.
SPEAKER_03 (29:37):
Oh wow.
SPEAKER_04 (29:39):
Yes, sir.
Like well, I've been through,I've been through it all by.
SPEAKER_03 (29:44):
See, I I was I was trying to move, I was trying to
move to a conclusion of theepisode.
Go ahead and go we'll see thistill we're talking.
No, no, no.
This is this is part two.
This this is how we haveconversations, and we never got
the phone because they neverkeep talking over.
(30:04):
Hey, hey, it's gonna, hey boy, Igot a book.
Listen, I can write a book.
There is a book in you, and I'mready to read it.
Yes, I might help you writethat.
I'm ready to release it.
I'm gonna help you write a book.
Listen, listen, man.
I want to thank you for thisconversation.
I want to thank you for yourhonesty, your heart, your story.
(30:25):
And this journey shows thatfamily is more than history.
It's living, it's breathingtestimony of growth, and you are
living proof of how nature givesus our starting ingredients, and
nature shapes the recipe.
And so, to my listener, I wantyou to know remember,
transformation is alwayspossible.
Your past informs you, but itdoes not imprison you, and you
(30:48):
have the power to make choicesthat create a future that you
can shape.
That you do, you can you can doit.
Listen, I want to thank you allfor listening and stay tuned for
our next episode.
SPEAKER_04 (31:02):
Yes, sir.
Thank you.
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