College As A Discipleship Laboratory with David Glick and Kristi Mast

Imagine a place where higher education and discipleship go hand in hand. That's the intriguing premise we explore with our guests, David Glick and Kristi Mast, co-directors of student life at Sattler College. David and Kristi offer a fresh perspective on the relationship between academia and faith, providing a compelling vision for a new approach to education. 

The conversation takes a deep dive into the cultural influences shaping our worldviews and how Sattler College fosters a love for Christ in its students. The concept of a 'curriculum of Christlikeness' is introduced — an approach aimed at motivating young minds to develop a strong desire for Jesus. Moreover, we delve into how good visual design can serve as a magnet for complex content, with David recounting his journey at Sattler College and his decision to pursue a master’s degree at Boston College.

As we wrap up, we gain an insight into the reading habits and personal projects of our guests — from life-altering books to unconventional hobbies like turning a cargo van into a camper van and foraging for culinary mushrooms. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of education, faith, and personal growth.

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Episode Transcript

Zack Johnson (00:04):
It is October 16th , Monday morning.
Welcome to a Soutler podcast.
We don't yet have a title, butwe could discover it today.
I'm here with Mr David Glick.
Hi, David.

David Glick (00:17):
Hi Zach.

Zack Johnson (00:18):
Good morning.
Good morning, I'm also joinedwith Ms Kristie Mast Good
morning.
Hi, kristie, good morning.
So we're just going to have aconversation about your two
separate lives together, so Iknow it's going to be a little
bit interesting here, and thenwe'll try to unify some of the
themes that you talk about.
How does that sound?

(00:39):
David, you don't have a bio onSoutler's website so I can't
read it, but I'll send somebodya note.
Can you tell me, can you makeup a bio on the spot in 30
seconds?

David Glick (00:52):
Oh yeah, I don't know why there's no bio on the
website, but I from Pennsylvaniaoriginally.
I come from an Amish family.
I spent some time in Greeceduring my 20s working in a
refugee camp and then moved toBoston around three years ago to

(01:14):
attend Soutler and now I workat Soutler.

Zack Johnson (01:17):
And you're also going to school somewhere, right
, and I go to school here inBoston at Boston College.

David Glick (01:22):
Very one of those unique ones.

Zack Johnson (01:23):
All right, kristie , I'll read your bio and then
I'm just going to read it wordfor word, and then you can
correct its staleness.
Sounds good.

Kristi Mast (01:31):
Sounds good.

Zack Johnson (01:32):
All right.
Kristie Mass graduated fromSoutler College with a Bachelor
of Arts degree in Biblical andReligious Studies.
She was honored to be agraduating member of Soutler's
inaugural class in 2022.
Before her time at Soutler, shecompleted a two-year program of
study at Faith Builders,educate Zone Program and Guy's
Mills, pennsylvania.

(01:52):
A year of teaching high schoolin a small private school and
her experience serving in avariety of formal and informal
discipleship capacities hasprepared her well for her
position as Director of StudentLife at Soutler.
She is also in the process ofpublishing a women's Bible study
that began as her capstoneproject at Soutler College.

Kristi Mast (02:13):
So two corrections.

Zack Johnson (02:14):
All right, let's see your arm.

Kristi Mast (02:15):
I'm now Co-Director of Student Life with David
Glick, and then also the women'sBible study was published in
January of this year withDaughters of Promise ministries
and is out and available in theworld.

Zack Johnson (02:31):
All right, we'll talk more about that.
I'll read the second paragraphhere.
I'll just summarize it.
You're interested indiscipleship?

Kristi Mast (02:38):
That's right.

Zack Johnson (02:39):
David, you're also interested in discipleship.
I am, yes, and you'reCo-Directors of Student Life.
What were your previous titles?
I know this, but what did itused to be Like Last Fall?

Kristi Mast (02:52):
Yeah, well, for a while I was Director of Student
Life, while David was stillfinishing up, he was Student
Life Assistant.
But then it was Director ofStudent Life parentheses men.
Directors of Student Lifeparentheses women.
So we've gone back and forth ontitles.

Zack Johnson (03:12):
All right, tell me a little bit about what you do
here and what you're passionateabout on the campus, off campus,
here, there, anywhere, so ourjobs are very student facing.

David Glick (03:25):
We work with students in anything that does
not pertain to academics.
So any needs or wants that comeup in student life that are not
directly connected to theiracademic enterprise here, and so
we do a lot of student events.
The biggest part of our jobs isthe discipleship program here

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at Sauer.
That's what we spend a lot ofour time and energy on, and then
miscellaneous check-ins withstudents.
There's a lot of relationalwork to what we do here, so it's
a nice collection of therelational and then a lot of
administrative work as well.

Zack Johnson (04:10):
Anything to add, Christie?

Kristi Mast (04:12):
I think that covers it.
Yeah, I think we're both reallyinvested in being present and
available for students,especially for spiritual and
emotional needs.

Zack Johnson (04:21):
So there are multiple avenues of discipleship
in the world.
There's church life, secondaryschool, family, the secular
world many avenues ofdiscipleship.
Why higher ed?
Why does higher ed make sensefor discipleship and why?

(04:41):
Yeah, you told me to ask youthat question, so it's, I'm
being.
That's the softball right.

Kristi Mast (04:47):
Yeah, well, I come from a background that
traditionally a conservative,Anabaptist background that
traditionally doesn't valuehigher ed, especially college
and beyond.
But I also come from a familythat's unique in that my
grandfather, as an Amish youngman, went to college and did an

(05:12):
associate's degree, which wasreally unusual at that time.
So I think personally I've seenhow faith and education can go
hand in hand and actually beused to strengthen the church
and strengthen communities, andso I'm really excited about this
role because we have thisopportunity to, I think, change

(05:34):
the narrative around highereducation, not only for people
who are coming from conservativesettings where education isn't
expected, but just in general.
I think there's we've allnoticed, I think, the drift
towards liberalism in higher ed.
So it's really exciting to meto be part of a college and have

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the opportunity to use collegeas a place where students come
and they actually grow in theirfaith and their commitment to
Christ and their passion anddesire to serve the kingdom, and
I think it's a really greatplace for that to happen, just
because of the stage of lifethat students are at.
I know David also has thoughtsabout this.

David Glick (06:19):
Yeah, I come from a similar background and, I would
say, to one where highereducation was not valued or
encouraged, and I think some ofthe themes that come from both
of our backgrounds would bethings like simplicity and
practicality, and so, by large,people were farmers or

(06:41):
tradespersons, and so that goeshand in hand with both a
dismissal of higher educationbut then also maybe not so much
need for higher education.
But that's changing as it'schanging over the world, and
there are more and more peoplefrom our backgrounds who are

(07:01):
going into white collar jobs andbecoming engineers, becoming
doctors, becoming a killings,and with that comes the need for
at least a bachelor's degree inmost cases.
And so I think, wanting to be apart of a place where people

(07:23):
are asking okay, how can we dothat and do it well, how can we
bring the values that we, thatwe do hold and and not see
higher education as a place thatwill take those values away
from us or we'll take us in adifferent direction?
But maybe we can bring thoseand maybe the college can be a

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place where where those arestill upheld and we do
discipleship there, much likewe've always done it, and but
we're just bringing it into the,the space of higher education,
and so, yeah, discipleship ishas always been important.
It's been important most of allin the church, but the, the

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higher education setting, is aplace that's full of young
people, and in a Christiancollege it's full of Christian
young people.
And so the, the usual questionsof vocation what am I made to
do?
What's my, my life going to be?
What is God asking me to do?
All of those are theirdiscipleship questions, the

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question of of Jesus and his,his mandate and his call for my
life, for our lives is is a bigpart of that.
And so to be a Christianuniversity without taking
discipleship seriously, I think,would be a big mistake.
And so that's, I think, a hugepart of our, our passion for
doing discipleship here atSadler in a higher education

(08:53):
setting.

Zack Johnson (08:55):
Can you brainstorm with me?
This is no, no right answer.
Give me some synonyms fordiscipleship, for I know it's
kind of a loaded word, and sohow do you think about
discipleship and what it?
What does it all entail?
I know there's a lot ofdifferent thinking on this.

Kristi Mast (09:14):
God David.

David Glick (09:15):
Okay, yeah, a few synonyms are.
One word that has come up inour conversation sometimes is
the word apprenticeship, and Ithink that is probably most
commonly used by a man namedDallas Willard and then some
other people who have who haveknown from him John Mark Kovmer.
Certainly, john Mark Kovmer isinfluenced by Willard.

Zack Johnson (09:37):
Yes, very much so.

David Glick (09:38):
Yeah, and so I think what that word tries to
denote is is the simplicity ofdiscipleship, trying to do
discipleship the way that we seeJesus doing it with his 12
disciples and then maybe withthe, the crowds that followed
him beyond that, and it's it'strying to name discipleship as

(09:58):
something that goes beyond, say,a weekly Bible study, but but
more discipleship as a way oflife and an apprenticeship
really gets it the idea of okay,we do acknowledge Jesus as the
Son of God and but we alsoacknowledge him as our master
teacher and the one that we welearn from and follow.

(10:20):
So the word apprenticeship hasbeen something that has come up.
Other synonyms might be wordslike mentorship or accompaniment
.
I think those are probably morenarrow words for discipleship
because they they do get at theidea of maybe an older, more

(10:42):
experienced person walking witha younger, less experienced
person, which is certainly avery valuable way of doing
discipleship, but it's also notthe entirety of what
discipleship is.

Kristi Mast (10:56):
I think for me James K Smith has been really
foundational in how I thinkabout discipleship and what did
formation in general.

Zack Johnson (11:03):
Who is that and what are you right?

Kristi Mast (11:04):
So he's a Christian philosopher, and beyond he's
written a lot of things, butmost most significantly a book
you are what you love, just kindof the popular version of his
larger series on culturalliturgies.
So, specifically, desiring theKingdom is the book that really

(11:24):
impacted me in thinking aboutthis.
But he talks a lot about how, atour core, we are, we are what
we love, we are lovers at ourcore, and so discipleship, then,
is not just about trainingpeople to do certain things or
to believe certain things, butis actually training their
hearts, training their hearts tolove, to love God and then to

(11:48):
love other people and to lovehis kingdom and throw their
whole lives.
That flows out into what you do,it flows into what you believe,
it flows into every part ofyour life.
But that's often how I thinkabout discipleship, and another
thing that that Smith talksabout is these cultural

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liturgies, these things that wedo in the cultures or our homes,
our churches, and then even thebroader culture.
He talks about going to themall as this liturgical
experience where you areinundated with all kinds of
messages and worldviews and alsoattempts to capture your love
and attention.
And so I think, when I thinkabout discipleship at Sattler.

(12:33):
I think how do we build aculture that cultivates love for
Christ, love for his kingdom,and the things that we do every
single day move us, move ourhearts and our desires closer to
the kingdom?

Zack Johnson (12:48):
Got it.
I'm going to sort of pause andtry to stand on something.
Now there's anecdotal evidenceor an anecdotal story that I'll
talk about and I'll use the wordcharacter formation as sort of
a placeholder under word I wantto think about Last year.
There was a family that livesacross the river in Cambridge

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and their son got a full ridescholarship to Harleard and then
an offer to the Air ForceAcademy where I went to school.
So I was kind of reallyinterested in watching what this
particular student was going todo, and his father in
particular is actually achaplain throughout the systems

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there and there's a huge,there's this huge concern that
especially secular higher ed isfailing at forming character.
That's a really big swing at alot of big institutions.
I'm not trying to sort of saythat, but and then now in the

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world, unless you live under arock, there's a huge I'll even
say after the week with Israel,hamas, palestine, there's a huge
backlash over what does it meanto be people of character in
the middle of this, and some ofyou have probably seen a lot of
higher ed institutional names inthe media and things like that.

(14:14):
So how can we be thinking ofsort of a holistic experience
for higher ed.
And how do you think about sortof addressing that issue of can
you form character?
Can you put someone through anatural program that will form
character for the good asopposed for the opposite?

(14:35):
There and Kristi, you mentionedthis at open house I often
talked about this discipleshiplaboratory.
I actually I stole that from theAir Force Academy too.
They called the Air ForceAcademy a leadership laboratory.
West Point says the same thingfor army officers where, like
you get to bombard people withdifferent scenarios, different
circumstances, differentactivities in hopes that they

(14:59):
like learn lessons and you don'thave to have it all sort of
programmatically figured out.
That was a rant.
But tell me about characterdevelopment.
And is it possible to be ayoung person detached from
community in a city, in the cityof Boston, actually having your

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character strengthened?
I'll even say it from abiblical lens as opposed to sort
of a secular lens, because Ithink it might be helpful.
Sorry, any any thoughts orcomments there?
That's a big rant.

David Glick (15:35):
Yeah, I think in a sentence we do believe that it's
possible, and you did, you usedthe phrase disconnected from
community in in a big city, in acollege setting, which is
something that we're we'rereally hoping doesn't happen.
For the people who come toSauer, that community would be

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something that they find hereand that that would be a part of
a central part of the way thattheir character gets formed.
And so this is a question thatwe think about a lot.
How does character get formed?
How do we're a college in theliberal arts tradition and the

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word virtue gets used a lot andjust the way that people have
thought about this question, andso we think about it a lot.
And I think, to change thequestion from can it happen to
how does it happen, how is it,how is it that God does His work
in the hearts, minds, lives ofyoung people?

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How does that work happen?
What does it take to to sort ofsee that happen?
How can the college be a placethat is as easy and as
straightforward as possible forthose things to happen?
And so, yeah, there are morequestions than answers here for

(17:04):
us, but I think there are otherpeople who have sort of thought
about this idea and have triedto come up with.
I mentioned Dallas Willard andhe has this term, that he calls
it a curriculum ofChristlikeness, which is not so
much a curriculum with clearborders and direction as it is

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just him saying no, there can bethis way that we should know
what it is that forms peopleinto Christlikeness.
And so I think we reallybelieve that for young people
and it does start with a hungerand a thirst, or a heart posture

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of the Psalmist, and I thinkthat is where the ideas from
people like James K Smith arerelevant for for discipleship,
because it's the question of howdoes how do people develop?

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How do young people develop ahunger and a thirst for more of
Jesus?
And then the second questionfrom that is what is the
atmosphere that we then createfor them to bring that hunger
and thirst into and for thespirit to do a work in their
hearts and in their lives, tosee them grow in character and

(18:28):
hopefully, when they leavecollege, to be young men and
women with with firm character.

Zack Johnson (18:36):
Anything that I have to see subtract.

Kristi Mast (18:38):
Yeah, I think.
Just I would add that we talkabout discipleship being
relational discipleship, and sothat's a deep conviction, I
think, of all of us here at thecollege, that discipleship
always happens in the context ofrelationship, and it's not just
in the context of relationshipbetween, you know, mentor and
mentee, but that there's ahorizontal relationship across

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with peers.
But then ultimately, that thatrelationship is with with Jesus
himself and with the Holy Spirit.
And so we tell our studentsthat the discipleship program,
the things that we do, we thinka lot about it and we we have we
do try to design thiscurriculum of Christlikeness,

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but ultimately it is just atrellis or a container.
It is up to the Holy Spirit toactually do that work and it's
also up to the studentthemselves to to pursue that.
And, yeah, we're constantlytrying to to learn and grow and
figure out how we can, how wecan make that environment even
more ripe for that hunger andthat desire.

Zack Johnson (19:44):
So the trellis analogy a trellis is what a vine
grows on exactly, and so it'skind of you design the trellis
and then expect life to grow upafter it.
But it's not an automaticprocess you need.

Kristi Mast (19:56):
Yeah.

Zack Johnson (19:57):
Life, relationship , love.

David Glick (20:00):
Yeah, and also, too , that we we try to, I think,
keep it as simple as possible,and so we learn from people's
names that we've we've alreadymentioned here, but in the end
we do look to, to some of the,the tradition that the college
places itself in, and and beingnamed after people like Michael

(20:23):
Marguerita Sattler, who, whojust made so much of Jesus and
his teachings, and so, at theend of the day, it is
discipleship to Jesus and it'sbecoming more like him in all
that we do, and so if it can beas as simple as that and as
powerful as that, I think we wewill be delighted.

Zack Johnson (20:47):
Right, I want to spend a little bit of time
zooming in on each of yourdifferent journeys.
Maybe, chrissy, for you I'dlike to start at Sattler and
then maybe lay out, talk alittle bit more about your
capstone work and what youopened up with.
And then, david, I'd love tohear about your studies after
Sattler too, and that thatjourney as well.
But maybe we can start with you, chrissy.

Kristi Mast (21:09):
Yeah, so came to Sattler really wanting to be
equipped to not only study theBible myself but also to teach
others how to study scripture,and specifically women, who
might not have grown up withwith a lot of tools or

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understanding.
I also felt like there's thereare good resources out there for
women, but often they tend tobe kind of watered down and 10
towards maybe some spoon feedingof, especially when it comes to
scripture and exegetical work,and I think that there's a place
for that that we need.

(21:50):
Depending on where you're at,you need something just really
basic, really elementary.
But for me it's been absolutelytransformative to learn how to
study scripture on my own andhow to actually get the skills
and tools to access the Biblejust through my own study and

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not necessarily needing it to bemediated by other people,
although I'm a firm believerthat scriptures made to be read
in community.
Anyway, so this was some of myvision coming into Sattler and
why it came for a biblicalstudies degree and so through my
studies at Sattler, just gainedso much in learning biblical

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languages and just practicing alot of digging into scripture
and the context, and so out ofthat for my capstone project,
had this vision to create aresource for women that would
lead them into scripture and notjust, not just to like one

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specific passage to study ontheir own, but that would
actually teach them how to studythe Bible for themselves, and
so ended up with a 10 week Biblestudy that is actually a
biblical theology Bible study,so it traces a theme of
priesthood from Genesis all theway to Revelation, and so you're
hitting different genres.

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You're hitting different, allkinds of different passages in
scripture, and and then eachlesson is also paired with some
kind of Bible study skill thatyou then practice on on the
passage itself and it's it'swritten for a group because,
like I said, I do believe thatscripture is best accessed in
community.
We learn so much when we'redigging into the word with other

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people.
But it's also set up so thatyou can do it as an individual,
and I wrote it mostly for my ownsake and also so that you know.
Maybe I'd send a PDF to peopleif they were looking for
something, but it was reallyremarkable how pieces came
together in the spring semestermy senior year to actually start

(24:01):
the process of getting itpublished.
Daughters of Promise is a small.

Zack Johnson (24:07):
Can you say the website, just so?
How do you find it?

Kristi Mast (24:09):
Sure, if you just Google Daughters of Promise,
kingdom of Priests, you'll findthe link.
So they actually approached mein the spring.
They heard about my project andwanted to publish it, and so
the spring of my senior year andthen in January of 2023 is
actually published and there's ateacher's guide as well.
So, yeah, that that has been alot of my heart in coming and I

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think it was really satisfyingto be able to see it all come
together in a in a product likethat.

Zack Johnson (24:40):
I bought eight of them and gave them out to Gis
because I thought they werereally well done and I wanted to
ask a little bit more about thecontent.
That's sort of the publicationprocess.
There's the content and thenthere's also a very I'll just
say visually appealing nature ofyour Bible study.
That I found very striking andI'll even say, daunting.

(25:03):
Yeah, I'm like if I'm ever gonnapublish something.
There's no way it's gonna lookthis good.
Yeah, tell me a little bitabout that process, about the
writing of the project, thestudy itself plus the aesthetics
, and coming up with thisproduct to be shipped at the end
.
I'd love to hear a little bitabout it.

Kristi Mast (25:21):
Yeah.
So it was a huge.
It definitely, definitely was aprocess that was.
There were so many people alongthe way that gave a lot of
input into that, so into thewriting itself.
Dr Jesse Schumann and also DrPaula Michela were both part of
my capstone panel and they gavehuge input into the actual

(25:42):
content and making sure that itwas theologically sound,
cohesive.
They were yeah, they wereinvaluable advisors in that
process.
And then after that I hadconsidered trying to do self
publishing.
I have an older sister who hasamazing design skills and
creativity and so I thoughtmaybe you know, between her and

(26:05):
I we can figure something out.
But as I started looking intoit, the process was totally
overwhelming.
So when Daughters of PromiseApproach and Offered, I was so
excited because, unlike atraditional publisher, I knew
that I would have a little moresay and control over how the end
product looked.
But also I really trust theirdesign choices and so I call my

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older sister my creativedirector.
She did a lot in just makingsome of the design choices but
then working together withDaughters of Promise, and
Daughters of Promise dideverything in terms of layout,
design, putting it together,helping making sure that it
flowed well and was easy to togo through and readable and all

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of that.
So the visual and product, allof the kudos go to Ray,
especially Slaybaugh, who's theeditor-in-chief there, and my
sister Heidi helped as well.
Some with that, but they getall the kudos for that and that
was a huge hurdle.
A huge hurdle that I didn'thave to.
I got to have input into but Ididn't have to direct and it's

(27:09):
actually it's really special.
There's a painting in the umtable of contents that I
actually have in my office.
It's a really special paintingto me and so there's some small
touches in there that arepersonalized as well.
Um, that probably wouldn't havebeen able to happen if I had
gone with the traditionalpublisher.
That was a big yeahconglomerate.

Zack Johnson (27:31):
I'm gonna ask a sort I'm gonna try to formulate
this question in my mind.
I've read phenomenal uh tidbitsof writings before without the
visual appeal, and there's,there's gold in there, but it's
really hard to sort of digestthe, the content.
What's the interplay betweenwords on paper versus the art

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and how?
How do you think about sort ofputting these things out Like
the Bible itself doesn't haveart attached to it, but we can
draw life from it and yetthere's always like a little bit
of a, an interplay of like howmany, how many layers of art do
you add to something that'salready full of truth in itself,

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and is it the necessity?
What's the balance?
That's a hard question, but doyou have any thoughts on that?

Kristi Mast (28:23):
I think, um, the authors of the Bible have a lot
more street cred than I do.
Yeah, I think it.
I think it is.
It's a question of I thinkthere's so many things that go
into that question right, yourcontext, who's the who is the
material?
For I really wanted it to beaccessible to women across

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across the board.
It's one of the big pieces offeedback from there was actually
a launch team that got to seeit first and and do some of the
lessons and a lot of them said,wow, this was a lot more
challenging than I expected, butit was good, and so I really
like the content is challengingand so, um, but because I wanted
it to be accessible foreverybody, I think making the

(29:10):
visuals really appealing andsomething that draws you in kind
of counteracts maybe some ofthe the things that are more
challenging.
So, yeah, I think I thinkcontext, audience makes a really
big difference.
If you're writing for a bunchof um, a bunch of you know PhD
students, then probably there'sa little bit more inherent drive

(29:31):
that they have, you know, toaccess your work and your
research.
But I think, especially whenyou're you're writing for a
popular audience, design visualsare so important, especially in
this, this day and age, wherewe're we're saturated with it.

Zack Johnson (29:47):
Yeah, and I actually I have this, uh, I have
this hunch in my my mind thatbecause are the people who
believe similar things to whatwe believe haven't yet cracked
this code on how to make, how to, how to make our ideas spread
more naturally?
And there's been, like massivemedia companies that have done

(30:10):
really a good job spreading bigideas.
Maybe it's an untapped or notuntapped, but more people should
be doing it.
Yeah, I think we can feel kindof unvirtuous when we focus on
appearances, right, Because it'slike well, this is just like
great content.

Kristi Mast (30:24):
It should just speak for itself.
But maybe, to use an analogyfrom food, a lot of you know
great chefs say you eat withyour eyes before you eat with
your mouth, and it's kind oflike I think great visual design
is is a great way to you know,visual design is kind of trying
to remove a barrier for peopleso that it they're drawn in

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organically and it's, I think,the the essence of beauty is
attraction and so that you'reattracted naturally.
There's not.
You don't have to overcome thatbarrier of you know, if you
have a a pile of just like goopon your plate, even if it's the
most delicious thing in theworld, if it looks terrible,
you're a lot less likely to tryit.

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So yeah, I think we can feelunvirtuous when we focus on
design and attractiveness, but Ithink it's actually a way that
we can serve the people thatwe're trying to reach.

Zack Johnson (31:20):
Yeah, all right, now we're going to pivot hard to
you, mr Blick.
Tell me about your journeythrough Satellar to where you
are right now, and yeah, yeah, Istarted college at age 27.

David Glick (31:35):
So I guess about 10 years older than than the Irish
college student and startedschool online.
And I think, being in the stageof life that I was in, was
pretty convinced that I didn'twant the traditional college
experience that I I wanted tokeep working, I wanted to keep
my doing the things that I wasdoing and just do school on the

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side.
And a year into that, reallydisappointed and frustrated with
the process and found doingschool online challenging and
and lacking both in academicrigor and then also in, I think,
just the structure of how it'sdone, in that it's done in

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isolation, it's set up for theindividual to do on their own
time in their own place, and itjust is a really terrible way to
learn it.
Taking the community out of thepicture entirely is is just it
guts the the educationexperience.
And so I just decided a yearafter that that I I just didn't

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want to do it anymore, andthat's when I first started
looking at Sattler and thenended up applying to Sattler and
coming to Sattler and searchingfor rigorous academics,
searching for an education thatwould actually challenge me and

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make me grow, and then alsosearching for for community that
was also excited about learningand to be able to learn in
community, so ended up doing the.
I did the bachelors of arts andhistory here and you
transferred, you transferred, Idid.
I transferred my, my onlinecredits and then finished in two

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and a half years here once Icame, and it chose the the
history degree for for a fewreasons.
I wanted to be a better writer.
I've always enjoyed trying toput ideas to to paper and but
didn't take any writing classesor instruction in any of my

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school up to to the collegelevel.
So I didn't do high school sothere's no, no writing there and
just really wanted to learn andI felt like doing a history
degree would make me, it wouldforce me to become a better
writer.
My history professors wouldforce me to to write well.

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And then the second reason isjust that I I wasn't doing
college primarily for the degree.
I was doing it primarily to tolearn and grow, and so doing a
liberal arts degree, likehistory was, it seemed like a
good, a good way to accomplishthat.
And so, yeah, that this whatbrought me to Sattler and then

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graduated here last year, cameback to work and then also have
have started a graduate degreeat a local school here at Boston
College and started a amaster's of divinity there and
there in their school oftheology and ministry.
And that's just only aboutseven weeks old, so that's very

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much just.
I'm very much just startingthat and figuring out what does
this look like?
How does it, how does it happenalongside my work?
How does my work influence mystudy and my study influence my
work?
And so, yeah, that's where I'mat now.
I'm still a student.
I hope to be a student for alot longer and then to to be a

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learner for for a lifetime.

Zack Johnson (35:19):
Can you tell me a little bit about the process,
about applying, choosing gradschools and that whole, that
whole journey and story?

David Glick (35:28):
Yeah, I mentioned starting college late, but I
think starting grad school lateras well probably influence the
approach that I took.
So for me it was it was primary.
I applied to a few schoolsoutside the Boston area but but
I primarily wanted to stay hereto do grad school if it was

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possible, both because I enjoyedmy job here at the college but
also because I I have foundcommunity here in in the city
that is very meaningful to meand and that I would be a very
low to to leave even for a goodgrad school opportunity, and so

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so I think my my own stage oflife influenced that, and so I
was probably um.
Location was the biggest factorin in where I went to school.
So I applied to about aboutseven places.
I got accepted to most of themand then when I got an offer

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from the school that I reallywanted to go here to here in
Boston and the scholarship fundsto make it possible, it became
the easiest decision to do.

Zack Johnson (36:43):
You got a full right offer.
I did yeah, and to otherschools as well.

David Glick (36:47):
Yeah, yes, do they include Ivy League schools.

Zack Johnson (36:49):
They do yes, yeah, I'm just trying to brag a
little bit about it.
I get to brag a little bitabout the institution.
We've had 100% acceptance rateinto students pursuing graduate
degrees.
I think I said that last year.
So you're one of those, so I'mreally proud of you.

David Glick (37:09):
Yeah.

Zack Johnson (37:10):
I wanted to ask a follow-up question along the
lines of this is going to be atricky one, steadying a biblical
theme at an institution thatyou might not fully align with
100% of their beliefs.
I'll use an anecdotalconversation I had that I

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mentioned that you were setting,at the place you're setting and
someone.
Their first reaction was keep areally close eye on him.
This is a serious conversation.
I said all right, I will,because there's an idea that
even in the realm of really toptier programs, maybe the essence
of what the institution standsfor might not be exactly what

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you stand for.
And so how do you think aboutyour studies in that light?
And I think I've experiencedthis too, where I go to an
institution, but I know I don'twant the whole package, but I
want to be trained and refinedin a particular set of ways,
maybe not the core of my beliefsystem.
Do you have any thoughts onthat and how you think about it?

David Glick (38:16):
A few.
Yes, so for people who don'tknow, boston College is a
Catholic school and they arespecifically a Jesuit school,
and so the School of Theologyand Ministry where I'm doing my
degree is also run by theJesuits, and probably about half
of the professors are Jesuit,and all the professors are

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Catholic.
There's one Quaker there whom Ihaven't met yet but I'm looking
forward to that day and maybetalking about our common peace
traditions.
And then most of my fellowstudents are Catholic as well,
and so very, very strongCatholic tradition.
But that is also one of thethings that made the school

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appealing for me.
I knew that if I went there Iwould be learning from a strong
intellectual tradition and Ididn't feel like that was true
of all the places that I appliedto, to be frank and then also
that I would be engaging a bodyof ideas, both theological ideas
, but also doctrinal ideas andways that we think about.

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What does it mean to live theChristian life that I would have
to grapple with and that Icould put my own tradition and
my own beliefs into conversationwith but I'm putting them into
conversation with a cohesivebody of teaching and not a
collection, if you will, not amishmash, which I felt like I

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would be more prone to find atProtestant seminary.
So that was appealing to me.
I do.
I certainly have some cautionsas well.
I think maybe I would see twothings that I'm hopeful give me

(40:07):
a sense of security and safetyto go into a setting that's very
different from my own and tolearn theologically there.
One is just my own connection tocommunity here in Boston, both
at the college and at the churchthat I attend, where I can
bring the things that I'mlearning in school into
conversation with people who Ido life with and do church with,

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and to say this is what I'mlearning, this is how I'm
thinking about it.
How does that strike you?
What are the implications of it?
Can you help me think throughit?
And the other is that I reallydo think that my time in the
history program at Sattler didgive me a lot of tools to think

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creatively and honestly aboutideas.
And what do you do with ideasthat you encounter?
How do you think through themlogically?
How do you think through themtheologically?
How is it that you grapple withideas and matters of truth and

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how you live your life and do sofaithfully and thoughtfully and
not either swallow themwholesale or maybe reject them
without examining and saying isthere something here that I can
learn from?
And also asking what are thethings here that I most
definitely do not want to takein use for my own life Got it.

Zack Johnson (41:36):
Chris, I'm going to jump over to you on kind of a
follow up question here.
I got a question the other dayabout the discipleship program
and how it relates to the wordindoctrination, so this will be
a fun one.
When you think about your workand even some of the greater

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Christian calls, what's thedifference between?
Maybe this isn't the best wayto phrase this, but are we
discipling on doctrine?
Are we discipling on practice,specifically your efforts?
Are you trying to get people tobelieve a certain set of
doctrines or do you think aboutit differently?
How do you relate those twosort of ideas?

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That's the question.

Kristi Mast (42:20):
No, it's a really good question and I think I
definitely would separate outthe doctrine and practices.
And we are focusing onpractices, but they're practices
that the church has done forhundreds and hundreds of years,
things like prayer and readingscripture, fasting, intentional

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purity and what that means ofkeeping yourself whole and being
a person of integrity in everypart of you.
I do think that Jesus'teachings and his words
specifically in the Sermon onthe Mount and the Great
Commission, those are thingsthat we turn to again and again

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for our sense of morality andthe kinds of character that we
want our students to have and toexemplify.
So, and then also thebeatitudes, I think, that kind
of character that's marked bypeace and by humility and

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service, patience, all of thosethings are also things that we
turn to.
So I don't see it asindoctrination.
We don't talk about doctrine.
I don't think ever.

Zack Johnson (43:37):
In the discipleship program.

Kristi Mast (43:39):
Yeah, it's much more about practices and
character formation as modeledby Jesus, specifically in the
Sermon on the Mount and theBeatitudes.

Zack Johnson (43:53):
So what are the practices?
Like, some of the practices wethink about and hopefully this
is coming out of our dailyacknowledgement of these are
things I care about, so I try toteach others how to do them.
I think about it with my ownlittle children.
Now I'm like how am I going toget my little kids to do the
things I think are important?

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Yeah, you said prayer.
What are some of the other ones?

Kristi Mast (44:18):
Yeah, so typically there's been a set of questions
that students ask each otherweekly and this varies.
We give a structure butstudents are free to tweak and
modify that structure withintheir own groups and focus on
the things that they really wantto focus on, but in general,
wanting students to cultivatethe spiritual discipline.

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So, prayer, daily time inprayer and in the scriptures.
There's a question that a lotof students use to touch on
purity, which is have you viewedanything pornographic, immoral
or foolish this week?
And obviously that expands justbeyond sexual integrity but

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into whole life purity.

Zack Johnson (45:02):
And what are you consuming?

Kristi Mast (45:03):
Yeah, what are you consuming?
And then also questions aboutrelationships how are your
relationships with the peoplethat you live with, and with
your family and the people outin the world?
And then, finally, evangelismis also something that we really
care about and want to behelping students practice,
sharing their faith, and again,that happens, I think, on

(45:26):
different levels for differentpeople, depending on where
they're at and where they are intheir spiritual journey.
But, yeah, I'd be interested tohear what David would add.

David Glick (45:36):
Yeah, no, I really see that as the backbone of
discipleship here, and we doalso employ in some of the work
that others have done onspiritual disciplines, which is
just the name given to thepractices that the Church has

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historically practiced over thecenturies, and they are simple
things like prayer, worship,confession, and so just trying
to make sure that whatever weask of our students is the same
things that the Church hashistorically cured about and
that are the markers of a truedisciple of Jesus.

Zack Johnson (46:18):
Fasting too right.

David Glick (46:20):
Yeah.

Zack Johnson (46:20):
I was just going to say when I was a journey
group leader back in the day, wedid some fasts and I don't
think I'd ever heard of groupfasts at a college level.
But I think most people there'stoo many people who haven't
done fasting.
And I think that's a big onethat I'm looking forward to.

David Glick (46:36):
Yeah, and there are lots of upperclassmen and other
people here at the school whowould tell you their stories of
having discovered fasting eitherhere or elsewhere and the
difference that incorporating itas a discipline has made in
their spiritual life.

Zack Johnson (46:54):
So this is going to be a question to help me
think about the institution inmy role.
How do I talk about thedifference, the importance of
doctrine and the importance ofpractice?
And one of my dreams is to andI think this is a personal dream
to establish a set of I'm goingto use the word
interdenominational practicesthat can be celebrated and

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sharpened together and I thinkeveryone can sort of be on the
same page on those things.
Yet we're also attempting tobuild a culture that maybe
doesn't.
Everyone doesn't believeexactly the same doctrines.
In general, there's a wall onhow much is acceptable there.

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But how do we build thatculture and think about that?
Even in broader Christianity, Ithink that's a really big
question that I've been kind ofspinning in my mind about.
Hey, I can actually interactwith people who don't believe
all the same doctrines as me,but I still don't want to

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apologize because I thinkdoctrines it's a very important
thing, but you don't want to setup too many walls right between
each other.
Help me think about those twoideas together.
Maybe another way to say it islike is it safe to come here if
you don't have a certain set ofbeliefs about the Sermon on the

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Mount.
That's something that many ofus who started here hold very,
very dearly, and literallyAnything to add to that, rand.

David Glick (48:30):
I'll just say that we really hope to be a place
that makes much of Jesus andJesus' life and His teachings
are central to so much of whatwe do and that, if that is
important for you too, that youwould feel safe here, you would
feel like this is a place whereyou can come and learn and

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contribute what you bring fromyour own faith, tradition or
your own upbringing, and that wecould learn to follow Jesus
together.
Of course, the connection ofdoctrine and practice is always
going to be there.
They do.
They're tightly connected andbut I think, in terms of

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discipleship at the college,practice is what we focus on.
You will come into contact withboth in your classroom and from
other students when you come tothe school.
You'll come into contact withlots of different beliefs and
belief systems and doctrines andyou as a learner will almost

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you'll be forced to put those inconversation with what you
bring to the college and perhapsto have meaningful discussions
about doctrine together.
But that's not the that willhappen in college.
But the baseline is practice,and the baseline for our
practice is just simply the lifeand the teachings of Jesus, and

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I really believe that we canuse that as the to look to Jesus
as our master teacher and usethat for the baseline of what we
do together, and that would bea platform that we can invite
Christians of all backgrounds toRight.

Zack Johnson (50:24):
Anything that matters, christy.

Kristi Mast (50:27):
Yeah, I think, just to use kind of philosophical
terms, there's virtue ethics,which is about cultivating
virtue, and then there's kind ofa deontological approach, which
is more about doctrine andthese really clear principles
and that's how you decide how tolive your life.
And then there's the moreteleological approach, which is

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thinking about the end goal andeverything's towards that
tailows the end.
And I think, when I think aboutour work here, it's to
cultivate virtue in students andto cultivate their love, to
cultivate their heart.
It's also to give them a visionof the kingdom and what they're
pressing towards.
And I think that middle pieceof doctrine, the principles, the

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really like the more hard linesthat you draw for yourself and
that you, yeah, that you, yourconvictions, I think that is the
work of the Holy Spirit to formthose.
And, like David said, you'regoing to come across things, but
I trust that if we focus onhelping students model Christ,

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then the Holy Spirit will dothat work in them and he will
lead them into truth.
He will lead them into yeah,that's not necessarily our job.

Zack Johnson (51:47):
So just I want to go down a little bit of line of
myth-busting here.
So the school is named afterMichael and Margaret a Sattler,
both of whom were martyred fortheir practice of adult baptism.
Do students here have to bebaptized as adults to come?

Kristi Mast (52:04):
No.

Zack Johnson (52:04):
So not necessarily .

Kristi Mast (52:08):
And I think we've actually had a student who came
it's not baptized as adultgraduated remained in the same
tradition.

Zack Johnson (52:19):
And that's not to say we don't have thoughts about
that, but it's possible.

David Glick (52:24):
And that we would never pressure that student to
do something that wasn't intheir convictions.

Zack Johnson (52:34):
List of church.
Do we have a white list ofchurches, a black list of
churches?

Kristi Mast (52:39):
No.

Zack Johnson (52:40):
OK, that's another yeah.

David Glick (52:42):
Yeah, thanks yeah.

Zack Johnson (52:45):
Yeah.

Kristi Mast (52:46):
I'll also mention I think David touched on this of
we want students to bring thestrength of their tradition to
the Sattler community, and Ithink of the same student that
we referenced earlier.
He came from a strong traditionwhere they prayed the Psalms
daily, regularly, and he broughtthat to our community and it
impacted so many of us.
I pray this on semi-regularly,partly because of his influence,

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and so I think we really dowant we recognize that different
spiritual traditions have thesereally beautiful strengths and
we want students to bring thatand that we're all enriched by
that diversity.

Zack Johnson (53:23):
And I just think I wanted to chime in there again
to the practice of doctrine andpractice or the relationship,
what we found.
We have all our students oftenread this book called Atomic
Habits by James Clear.
I think we did that.
This is number two.
And there's this idea that findone habit that will feed your

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whole life.
And I do think that this wholethere's that keystone habit idea
as well.
It's like what's the one habitthat you can latch onto in your
life that will sort of feedeverything else, daily time with
God.
In the scriptures, if you cannail that it seems like doctrine
flows from your own personalpursuit of God, and then you can

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add layers of community on.
Would you add anything to thesort of habit formation or that
concept?

David Glick (54:20):
you're not necessarily no, I think that's
wonderful, and I think somebodysaid one habit is worth 100
goals, and we really do try tolive by that principle.
And, yes, certainly, gettingthe habits right can be

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important to forming the rightdoctrine.
But, yeah, there is this commonbelief that what we do only
flows out of what we believe,and, in truth, it can very often
be the other way around as well, that what we do influences

(55:02):
what we believe.
And so, yeah, practice isimportant.

Zack Johnson (55:09):
All right, we'll switch gears here.
Tell me a little bit about yourreading life and your reading
habits.
What books do you recommend topeople that you've enjoyed in
your past?
We'll start with you, Christy.

Kristi Mast (55:26):
Sorry, I told you what are we reading right now,
or what are we recommending?

Zack Johnson (55:29):
What books do you recommend to people?
Or maybe you've bought someonea book more than once.
Maybe that's a question I'llask you.

Kristi Mast (55:37):
So I think Desiring the Kingdom by James K Smith is
one that's in kind of my hallof classics.
That has been reallyformational for me.
Yeah, I think, a book that I'vegiven a lot of people.
I'll have to think about thatone.

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But, dorothy Sayers, the Mindof the Maker is also one that
has been very foundational forme in thinking about how we are
creative beings and how thatpattern of creativity comes from
God himself.
And I think those are two of myhall of famers.

Zack Johnson (56:20):
All right, any hall of famers for you, david.

David Glick (56:23):
I was very influenced by CS Lewis when I
was new to the Christian faith,and what he did for me was that
he made the Christian faith bothtruthful but, even more than
that, winsome and beautiful.
And he did for me what I thinkwe have talked about, that we

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want students to experience,which is that you see Jesus and
his teachings as attractive, asnot just useful but beautiful,
and so he's someone I go back tooften when I think that my
faith might be becoming just alittle bit too pragmatic, and he

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helps me to see the wonder inthe Christian faith.

Zack Johnson (57:12):
He has a lot of writings.
Any one in particular or anycouple.

David Glick (57:19):
His novels.
He still might be the bestChristian novelist of the 20th
century in that he has this wayof preaching to you and you
don't know that you're beingpreached to.
You finish a novel and you gooh that was a wonderful story,

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but a week later you'll be going.
I think he was saying he mighthave been saying this about the
Christian life, and he has a wayof communicating profound
Christian ideas in a story formthat just linger with you and

(58:00):
poke you down then the GreatDivorce.

Zack Johnson (58:06):
You like the Great Divorce?
Yeah, I like that one too.
I just read a book, a tangentoh, you've read this A Severe
Mercy about.
I was baffled about from theSevere Mercy because it's
Chrissy, do you remember?

Kristi Mast (58:21):
the author's name Sheldon Van Ocken.
That's right.

Zack Johnson (58:24):
He was basically almost converted into
Christianity through just penpaling with CS Lewis and I was
really struck with Lewis's care,for I just really respected him
more after reading somebody whopen paled with him.
And he was converted throughhis relationship with CS Lewis
and I was like I gotta writemore letters to people.

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I read that book and I was likeman.
One man could change the wholecourse of a man's life just from
responding to a letter he wrote.
Have you read that one?

David Glick (58:56):
I have, yeah, and I think the book itself is
beautiful.
But I read his story and Ithink, oh, there's someone else
for whom he obviously met Lewisin person after the letters.
But just the impact thatLewis's own approach to life and

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bringing the joy and thewinsomeness of the Christian
faith had on Sheldon, and thenthe way that Sheldon
communicates those ideas throughhis own story, which is called
A Severe Mercy, a story of himand his wife.
But I, yeah, I think to me itspeaks to the form, of the power
of the form of story to notjust communicate ideas but to

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change us for the better.

Zack Johnson (59:42):
Got it.
Do either of you have anyextreme passion projects or
passion ideas that you like tochat about that I didn't touch
on yet today, kombuchatdrnk.

David Glick (59:59):
Well, the kombucha is on high ages.
I'm both a grade school studentand I hold a job and some
things have to go to make roomfor that, but I am.
I'm working on something thathas been a dream of mine for a
long, long time, which is totake a cargo van and convert it
into a camper van, and ithopefully will serve another one

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of my dreams, which is just tospend more time in the outdoors
than I do currently.
But that, yeah, it's a passionproject, for sure, and it also
gives me a way to do somethingwith my hands where, as a
student and as someone who worksat a school, I don't get a lot
of chances to do that.

Zack Johnson (01:00:41):
Hold your thought.
I'm going to ask you.
You told me one time that theAdirondacks were one of your
favorite places on earth.

David Glick (01:00:48):
The Adirondacks, yeah, yeah.

Zack Johnson (01:00:51):
My pronunciation.
Why do you say that it'samazing?

David Glick (01:00:55):
It's five million acres of preserved wilderness,
some of it relatively unspoiled.
You can go there and walk inplaces where it's likely that no
living person has ever settheir foot before, and the
ability to do that is justthrilling Got it, Christy?

Zack Johnson (01:01:13):
did anything come to mind for you?

Kristi Mast (01:01:14):
I'm pretty passionate about food and
cooking and the way that itbrings people together, but
specifically right now I'mreally into foraging for edible
mushrooms.

Zack Johnson (01:01:23):
You knew it.
Tell me about this.

Kristi Mast (01:01:25):
So I joined the Boston Mycological Club this
summer, which mycology is justthe study of mushrooms, and a
whole world opened up to me ofmushrooms are crazy.
They're literally insane thediversity and yeah, so I've been
spending a lot of time in thewoods looking for mushrooms.

Zack Johnson (01:01:46):
Defend your critics already.
You're not looking forpsychedelics.
No, sir, you're looking formushrooms for the taste of
mushrooms, mushrooms that aretasty, they're healthy for you
as well.

Kristi Mast (01:01:55):
Exactly.
I actually just found some onSaturday that I'm trying to
grind up a new book.
I didn't drink as tea becauseit's anti-cursingogenic and is
supposed to be a herbal remedy.
I'm a little skeptical, but Saythe word again.

Zack Johnson (01:02:09):
What kind of club is it?

Kristi Mast (01:02:10):
Mycological.

Zack Johnson (01:02:12):
How many of those exist in the world?
Actually loads, I think I wasjust going to try to sell Boston
, yeah.

Kristi Mast (01:02:20):
Boston is the oldest non-professional
mycological club, so the oldestamateur club in the United
States.

Zack Johnson (01:02:29):
What are some of your favorite mushrooms?

Kristi Mast (01:02:32):
Hen of the Woods, which is in season right now
Probably top 10 things that I'veever eaten Hen of the Woods In
terms of just pure ingredients.
Roasted it with some yeahanyway, it was incredible.
And then hedgehog mushroomsactually are another favorite.

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Both are in season right now.
I was trying to figure out if Ihad time after work today to
get out into the woods, but Ithink I'm going to have to wait.
Yeah, you got to stay at leasttill 6 pm tonight.

Zack Johnson (01:03:04):
No, I'm kidding, so I told you before starting.
The people who will listen tothis are probably the people
that are subscribed somewhere toa Sattler marketing campaign.
Do you have anything else thatyou'd like to share with the
people who might be listening?
It's kind of hard to narrowthat audience.
It could be students, it couldbe parents, it could be just

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people passionate aboutChristianity or even higher ed
or Boston.
Anything else to share with alistener is David will start
with you.
If not, then you can pass aswell.

David Glick (01:03:37):
Yeah, just to say, come visit us.
We love visitors and if you'reinterested in what we're doing,
send us a letter.
We can reach us via the OUSmail system if you want, or you
can just come in person and we'dlove to meet you.

Zack Johnson (01:03:51):
What's our address ?

David Glick (01:03:53):
It's 100 Cambridge Street, suite 1701 in Boston,
subcode 02114.

Zack Johnson (01:04:00):
Nailed it.
I'm impressed.
And what's an email?
In case people don't pen that Idon't know.
Info at Sattleredu.
Is that right?
That'll find its way to theright person.

Kristi Mast (01:04:11):
Info at Sattleredu yeah, that's what I was going to
say, but I'll maybe just addcome visit us and tell us what
you're passionate about.
Tell us about how you see Godchanging the world and your
community, or maybe even justyou, and we would love to hear
about it.

Zack Johnson (01:04:27):
All right, Well, thank you for joining me.
Thank you, Kristi, thank youDavid.
I was going to put some Sattlershout outs on, just for people
to be aware.
We just had an open house thislast weekend.
Does anyone know how manypeople showed up at that Friday?
Was it like 40 something?

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So we're actively looking forthe right students to come here,
the right fit.
That's one of our biggest needsand if you know somebody who
you think should attend here,please, please, please put them
on our radar.
Come and visit us is the bestthing to do.
But when does our earlyapplication do, Clark, do you
remember November 15.
?
So, if you're thinking about it, we have an early round of

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applications.
So start an application or getsomeone to start, get them to
come visit, and then the secondround is just do sometime in the
spring, right, and I justwanted to also mention that
anyone listening we startedSattler with.
I'm trying to tell I don't knowif I'm looking at Kristi or the
camera, I'm just going to tellboth of you.

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We start Sattler with thesethree C's, these three guiding
C's of core curriculum which Ijust interviewed Dr Schumann
about last week, about thebiblical core curriculum
Christian character development.
Character development was asudden seed.
We didn't know if it was aChristian or character.
They both serve a C, which youtwo just really hit on here.

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I think a lot about what we'retrying to do in terms of
Christian character anddeveloping a holistic person
discipleship program, relationaldiscipleship.
So thanks for telling me whatwe need.
The third C is cost, and I'vebeen sort of trying to trickle
this out, but the institution isreally trying to throw lunch

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torpedoes at the finances beinga barrier to entry here.
So if you're thinking aboutthis and you're worried about
cost, keep your ears open forsomething incredibly exciting.
Keep your eyes open for howSattler is going to not only
revolutionize higher educationbut also the cost of that.

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Any other teasers for that?
Tony helped me with a reallygood teaser.
How do I?

Kristi Mast (01:06:41):
be excited.
Keep your ear to the ground.

Zack Johnson (01:06:43):
Be excited.
I heard that I made anannouncement.
I heard somebody was cryingtears of joy.

Kristi Mast (01:06:48):
That's true, somebody even clapped after I
made the announcement whichnever happens here.

Zack Johnson (01:06:53):
I'm kidding, Unless you ask it.
Any other teasers for that,David?
All right.
Well, with that being said,enjoy your Mondays and the rest
of your week.
We don't yet have a title forthis podcast.
Do you want to tease being inPennsylvania in November?

David Glick (01:07:09):
Oh yeah, we don't have details yet.

Zack Johnson (01:07:12):
Yeah, if you're having to live in Pennsylvania.
I will be there Friday November.
I'll be there the whole week,but Friday November 3rd I'll
sort of have a gathering atsomething called the Speckled
Hen where I'm going to teasethis idea of tuition more about
it being an exciting thing to bea part of eventssattleredu.
All right, this episode wasbrought to you by our Sackler

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College in Boston, massachusetts.
Thanks for joining us.