December 16, 2023 • 30 mins
In this episode of SMR, Sean Morgan interviews Joel Skousen of World Affairs Brief about his take on the war in the Middle East. Is Israel trying to bait Iran into World War 3? Will Russia and China join? Find out in this exclusive interview.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Next, on the Sean Morgan Report, we have Joel Kast
and he was giving us hisanalysis on the war in the
Middle East.
We are going to question themainstream narrative and expose
media propaganda right now.
That's a great question.
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
That's a great question.
That's a great question.
Well, that's a really goodquestion.
It's a great question.
Well, you're right.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It is great to have Joel Kast and the editor of the
World Affairs Brief with us.
So, joel, I've read youranalysis on the war in the
Middle East.
It's very nuanced, includingthe fact that it seems pretty
obvious that Israel allowed thistype of attack to initiate this
war.
And why would they do that youwere mentioning, I believe, a
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faction of Israel has a deepstate, just like in our country
we have a faction of the US thatis deep state, and so they were
the ones that allowed thatattack.
Could you give us your analysisthere?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yes, benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister,
is a globalist.
He's a Henry Kissinger protégé.
Henry Kissinger and associatespaid for his education in the
United States.
They set him up in Wall Streetfor his first job and then he
set him up in politics in Israelby allowing him to create an
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anti-terrorism worldwideconference in Israel to which
all the bigwigs in US politicsattended.
Anybody can do that in Israelas an instant hero in Israeli
politics.
That's how we got to start.
So marching to a globalistagenda, which is a lot about
creating wars and conflicts sothat you can talk your own
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citizens into something thatthey would otherwise not accept
is standard, fair.
And of course, this Netanyahuand Israel claims was their own
9-11.
It was different than our 9-11in the sense that our own deep
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state actually created.
They hired the terrorists, theyloaded the buildings with
explosives, they used high-techtechnology to remote control
airplanes that the hijackerscould not fly, and I can tell
you, as a fighter pilot, thatyou wouldn't even know how to
turn off the autopilot in anairliner if you trained on a
Cessna and failed at thattraining to boot.
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But in this case, this was notactually created.
Hamas has given funding andinitially helped create Hamas in
the Gaza Strip as acounterbalance to the PLO under
Yassir Erfatt.
And they continue to fund Hamasthrough Qatar, which houses the
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Hamas leaders in luxury andfive-star hotels which they do
nothing about to try to capturefor humanitarian purposes.
But in any case, hamas had beenplanning this for over a year.
In fact, the New York Times gotthe leaked intelligence that
the Israeli intelligence had forover a year, which the Israeli
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intelligence claimed, inresponse to the New York Times
article that they dismissedbecause it was quote
aspirational, meaning that theydidn't think Hamas could do it.
Now they know better than that.
Hamas had 10 years to preparefor this attack and there was
all kinds of other intelligenceconfirming it was coming,
including private intelligencesources which the IDF provided
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equipment to over to eavesdropon cell phone conversations
throughout Gaza which hecontinued to warn Israel that
this attack was coming, and theyfinally took his equipment away
and told him to shut up becausethey don't want to hear it.
They also moved the IsraeliGaza battalion 80 percent of it.
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They moved out of southernIsrael into the West Bank, now
putting Israeli quick responsetroops more than seven hours
away from being able to respond,and all of that confirmed that
this was in fact a stand down toallow it to happen, so that
they could not respond in atimely manner.
And that's how they started.
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And I asked the question, sean,about why.
I initially thought, in myWorld Affairs Brief article
covering this, that it was toprovoke a wider war with Iran,
since Iran is the primarysponsor of the military
equipment in both Hezbollah inYemen, the Houthis and in Gaza.
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But Iran didn't take the bait.
Even though Israel has beenattacking Iranian militia in
Syria for the past two years,they've never arisen to take
retaliatory measures againstIsrael because they're not ready
yet to tackle.
They know that the West willpiggyback on that attack, so
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they're not ready to take on theentire West, so they didn't
rise to the bait.
It has not expanded into a widerwar, so that leaves Israel with
the vow that they're going intoGaza to eliminate Hamas
militarily, and as a militaryexpert, I don't think that's
feasible.
Frankly, I think when you havethe network of underground
tunnels that they have, whichare over 400 kilometers, it's
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very difficult to ferret outthem all, though they have
gotten a great deal of them.
But you're talking about atmost, 50,000 troops in Hamas in
a sea of 2.3 million people inan urban jungle, and that's very
, very difficult to eradicate.
If you don't eradicate them all, this war is going to create,
of course, many more thousandsof Hamas activists, which will
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then swell the ranks, andthere'll be another hiatus, like
there was last time, of five orsix years before another attack
.
So I think the cost in civilianlife is not worth the fact,
though.
You have to go after yourenemies, I mean to be sure, but
clearly they're choosing theroute that minimizes military
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casualties and maximize civiliancasualties by using aerial
bombardment when Hamas isgenerally underground.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Right and destroying the infrastructure.
Is it going to be a livableplace by the time Israel's done
with it?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, you know what happens in these things the
international community ends upfooting the bill of rebuilding
all these countries.
So it's not livable right now,Only about oh, I would say 20%
of the buildings are probablydestroyed in northern Gaza and
they're now in southern Gaza,doing a lot of destruction of
infrastructure.
The international community,including the US, will have to
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rebuild everything at greatexpense, and you know they end
up importing a lot of explosivesand other things under the
guise of construction andmilitary equipment.
So the cycle of violence willcontinue and what's worse is
that the world, one of theglobalist agenda in creating war
in other countries, is tocreate refugee flows so that
they can interdict in Westernculture and water it down with
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Muslim culture and otherconflicting cultures, which
don't lead to greater peace, aswe're finding out in Europe and
in the United States.
So there are left-wing refugeeorganizations pushing for
massive acceptance ofPalestinians within the United
States and that's going to bringin a lot of hatred against the
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US for supporting Israel.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Right.
It's a very divisive issue inthe US.
It seems like the left and theright can't really seem to
figure out which side they're on.
They're not united necessarily,although you have more of the
evangelical right besides withIsrael and you have more of the
radical leftist side with Hamasbasically.
But it's not totally united andyou see Biden trying to play
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both sides, which is verystrange to watch the president
do.
But let's get back at thebigger picture that Israel wants
a war with Iran.
They tried to bait them.
They didn't take the bait.
So Israel, or one faction ofIsrael, thinks they're ready to
take on Iran.
But you've had a few neocons, afew people talk about doing an
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unprovoked attack, a firststrike on Iran.
What's the likelihood in yourmind of that happening soon?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Well, israel has been practicing an attack on Iranian
nuclear facilities now for overtwo years.
They do simulated aerialinterdiction and bombardment
using electronic jammingtechniques to be able to get
through Iran's radar earlywarning systems.
So we know they're activelyprepared for such an attack.
(09:05):
But I don't think they want tohave the image of being the
aggressor in this.
So they've wanted to have aprovocation.
They wanted to induce or getIran to retaliate so they can go
after them, and that hasn'thappened.
So if you go in, they have tobuild a bigger narrative about
the danger of Iran's nuclearprogram.
(09:25):
Now it's true that Iran isbuilding towards a nuclear
weapon.
Israel already has nuclearweapons and they feel like they
need them to be able tocounterbalance that.
But I think you'll probablyfind a leak somewhere that
Israel will claim that they'reabout ready to unleash a nuclear
weapon and that will justify astrike.
They'll have to have somerationale for going in
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unprovoked and I think that'swhat it'll be.
It will be a nuclear threat.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And how might this ripple effect occur throughout
the Middle East?
Which sides, which countrieswill feel obligated to take
sides?
And let's talk about the biggerplayers, like Saudi Arabia, the
United States, of course.
Where do you think the EU andNATO would land on this?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, first of all, the United States keeps troops
in Iraq unnecessarily and Syriato act as bait for Iran, and our
American troops don't know thatwe're really illegally in Syria
.
There's no reason for us to bein Syria.
Syria has never been anantagonist.
In fact, we imported theterrorists into Syria.
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That was the effect of havingbombed Libya and Tunisia and
going after Gaddafi as wecreated a wave of Muslim
terrorists which we imported andmoved into Iraq.
Then we took 50% of those andretitled them as ISIS gave them
priority.
I'm talking about we in thesense of the American deep state
.
Isis was a total Americancreation of the deep state based
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upon 50% of the Arab terrorists.
And so we've used terrorism asan excuse to occupy the northern
oil fields of Syria, denyingSyria the money to be able to
rebuild.
And we're continuing to occupyareas of Iraq, even though the
Iraqi Polar man has refused toreauthorize that we're there in
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spite of Iraq refusal to agree.
And so and I think we're doingthat to provide bait so that our
soldiers get bloodied by Iranand therefore justifies a US
intervention.
It's a US intervenes and thenSaudi Arabia will probably
intervene, because Iran andSaudi Arabia don't have an
amicable relationship at all,and if Saudi Arabia joins the
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battle against Iran, they'll getattacked either.
Now, iran will be a formidablemilitary it's no pushover by any
means as a formidable Navy andit has a huge amount of missiles
and things.
So the US is going to takecasualties in this war, and so
will Israel, and Hezbollah willget involved as well, and
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Hezbollah has not done but tokenattacks on Israel, and they've
got probably 300,000 missiles inHezbollah they can launch at
Israel and overwhelm the IronDome and Arrow system, israel's
self-defense forces.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And you've got the BRICS nations with their
economic alliance, and it makesyou wonder if they really are a
military alliance as well,specifically, of course, russia
and China.
Would they be on the sidelinesfor this type of conflict?
Do you think they would play arole, supplying intelligence and
munitions, at the very least?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Well, right now Russia is gearing up for a full
wartime economy.
Right now they've geared up tofull missile production and
wartime artillery production.
Most of that's being used up inUkraine.
So how much extra they wouldhave to add to Iran's?
But remember, russia is usingIranian drones already and some
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of their missiles.
I don't think China and Russiawould want to get drawn into
this.
I think they would like to seethis as a means of drawing down
US and Israeli military capacity, as we're seeing the Ukraine
war sap Russia's conventionalmilitary capacity rather than
join it actively.
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When Russia and China do joinor get into an attack on the
West, they're going to begin notwith a conventional military
armored attack on NATO or Europe.
They'll start with a preemptivenuclear missile strike on US
and NATO military forces, tryingto blackmail the West into
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submission.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That's a very bold prediction.
I want to ask you about that.
We are going to take a quickbreak and when we get back we'll
dive into the grand strategy ofplay.
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Speaker 1 (14:39):
We are talking to Joel Scousen of World Affairs
Brief about the conflict in theMiddle East and how that could
play out perhaps Russia andChina getting involved or maybe
waiting it out.
You did mention the idea thatthere could be a first strike on
US military bases, nuclearfirst strike from Russia-China.
Why would they choose to dothat?
(15:02):
You mentioned blackmail to getus to just submit right away.
Do you think that would work?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Well, I don't think it will work.
But let me go through therationale of my theory on this.
First of all, to apply anyconventional military strategy
to Russia and China is reallynot wise.
Why would they use a recrainetype strategy, with tanks
rolling into Western Europe whenthey can't even occupy Ukraine
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right now?
You see, that's the big problem.
Why not use your nukes toneuter the opposition's military
and then either try toblackmail and if they don't
respond to the blackmail, togive in?
Then you can go to aconventional warfare and the US
and NATO would be far lesscapable of waging that war after
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absorbing a nuclear firststrike.
That's the rationale for that.
But Russia and China have tohave a trigger band.
They don't want to appear asthe aggressors.
The most likely trigger eventsfor World War III are really
Taiwan or South Korea in a warwith North Korea.
These have become intertwined,since North Korea has threatened
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that if the US tries tointervene and stop China from
taking back Taiwan, that theywill intervene in the war and
attack not only US forces in thePacific but South Korea as well
.
Seoul is within artillery rangeof North Korean artillery tubes
, and so they can reallyobliterate that city within a
matter of weeks with artilleryfire alone.
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And of course, north Koreaclaims to have nuclear weapons
as well, which I don't doubtthat they don't have.
So here's how I think thatmight play out.
Now, a likely scenario is thatthe US could be over committed
in Ukraine and in an Iran war ifthat starts up and that might
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induce China to start theirattack on Taiwan, knowing that
the US would be hard-pressed tobe able to handle a two or three
front war.
And if they do intervene inNorth Korea, then and by the way
, North Korea is a total puppetstate of China they won't start
an attack, no matter what KimYoung-un threatens to do, unless
China gives the go-ahead.
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But if the North Koreans attackSouth Korea, the US has now
this is what's different inUkraine and in Israel.
The US doesn't have troops inIsrael and doesn't have troops
in Ukraine, at least except fora few secret advisors.
But we do have 26,000 troops inSouth Korea and the US would be
required to come to theirdefense if North Korea attacks
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South Korea.
And so if we attacks NorthKorea in defense of South Korea,
that's an excuse for China thento launch a preemptive nuclear
strike to stop those attacks,and they would basically attack
all of us.
Yes, that's exactly what I wasgoing to ask you.
What would be their objective?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
They're trying to destroy our equipment and our
men.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Right, they're not after attacking cities because,
you see, they want to occupyboth North or US and Canada.
China's run out of living space.
They've run out of agriculturalspace.
It's mostly desert in China.
They can hardly feed theirpeople, especially with periodic
famines and floods and thingsthat flood the various
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agricultural lands.
General Hao Tian, the formerDefense Minister, in a speech in
2011, did threaten Now this wasleaked to the press through the
epic times, an anti-communistChinese outfit in the United
States, telling how they'regoing to be ruthless.
They want to cleanse the nationof people.
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If they can't do it bybiological warfare, they want to
do it by occupation in order tohave more living space.
They said you know, we're notgoing to be easy on the West
like the Nazis were.
We're going to be ruthless.
I should understand that theChinese do have a ruthless
streak in them about treatingother conquered people, as
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anyone who's lived under Chineseoccupation has found out.
But you see, the problem thatwe're facing is that not only do
Russia which, as I've explainedto my World Affairs Brief
subscribers fake their owndemise in 1989 and 1990 in order
to get Western aid and tradeand put Russian peoples into
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Ukraine, into the borders ofUkraine in the Baltic states, to
have an excuse to attacksomeday in the future when they
wanted to reconstitute theSoviet Union.
Both Russia, china want thiswar and also the Western
globalists want this Third WorldWar.
Your readers need to understandthat the US globalists have been
building communist enemies fordecades.
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They gave $20 million to theBolsheviks to start the
revolution.
Britain gave an additional $20million in gold to the
Bolsheviks.
We cut off military aid to theWhite Russians to make sure the
Bolsheviks won.
We brought Mao Zedong to powerby cutting off military aid to
Batey—to Chiang Kai-shek.
We brought Castro to power bycutting off military aid to
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Bateysta.
We brought the Sandinistas topower in Nicaragua by cutting
off military aid to Samosa, andthe list goes on and on about
how we've undermined Westerncountries in order to bring
communists to power.
Not because the globalists arecommunists.
There are too manyconservatives talking about
letting the communists take overthis country.
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No, it's the globalists thatare a threat.
They're using communists, andeven BLM and Antifa communists,
in order to break down thesocial order in a Hegelian
dialectic where they createconflict and crises so that they
come in and save us with asolution that we would not
normally attend and the reasonfor the globalists wanting this
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preemptive nuclear strike on ourmilitary so they can come out
of their bunkers and say well,we didn't know this was going to
happen, which is a lie, but nowthat has happened.
The only way that we can defendourselves and prosecute this
war is by joining animmilitarized global government,
and I believe this new EU armythat is being formed and funded
in secret in Europe is the seedstock for a new global military
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post-nuclear strike.
But I think you might ask thequestion well, how does the US
intend to win a nuclear war whenyou absorb a nuclear first
strike?
And, by the way, we have amilitary doctrine that was
signed in 1997 during theClinton administration
Presidential Decision Directive60, which specifically dictates
to our missile forces to absorba nuclear first strike and not
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launch on warning.
Now, launch on warning is veryimportant because if you launch
on warning when our satellitesdetect a launch by Chinese and
Russian missile forces, thentheir missiles hit empty silos
and our missiles that launch hitlegitimate targets.
So the one who launches onwarning wins the war, not the
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one who launches first.
And that's one of the reasonswhy I think our pacifists
dictated such a suicidal policyin 1997.
General Butch Neal of the MarineCorps said retaliate with what
Once you've absorbed a nuclearfirst strike?
Now we have some submarines outthere.
About half of our 14 ballisticmissile submarines are on duty
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at any one time.
The rest are important and canbe targeted, but those warheads
on the Trident missiles are notcapable of hitting hardened
underground targets like YamatoMountain and the 3,000 miles of
underground Chinese militarytargets.
So it's a difficult scenario.
But I think that the mostlikely trigger event for World
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War III is going to be a war inTaiwan or South Korea and if you
see that happen within a week Ithink we'll be in a third world
war.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
That could be the match that lights everything on
fire.
That's very interesting, and Ido want to do a follow up
episode with you to get into theRussia-China possibilities.
But going back to the war inthe Middle East, I find it
really fascinating that thiswhole anti-Semitic college
campus free speech issue came tothe fore, where you have the
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majority of the Ivy Leagueschools actually have Jewish
presidents, and then the fewthat are not Jewish were put up
on the stand and grilled aboutwhy they allowed anti-Semitic
comments and protests and speechon their campus, and two of
them stepped down or were fired.
And so I just wanted to findout from you what is the Israel
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lobby like, the Israel powerstructure like?
Is it embedded in the US?
What is that relationship like?
Who's the puppet master when itcomes to the US and Israel?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Well, it's a complex question because it goes clear
back to the Holocaust and whythe mainstream media promoted to
such an degree the Holocaustand while it did happen, and
clearly they went after the Jewsunjustly.
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There was some exaggerationabout the numbers and about the
use of the gas chambers, etcetera, and has been disputed.
But what I think wanted tohappen is that because there's
so many intellectual Jews in thehierarchy of the globalist
conspiracy against nationalsovereignty and liberty, the
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globalist wanted to create akind of immunity for Jewish
leaders involved in those thingsso that any criticism would be
viewed as anti-Semitism.
And so you can't criticizeIsrael legitimately without
being called an anti-Semite andyou can't criticize the war
without being anti-Semitic.
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The Jewish lobby is extremelypowerful.
Almost no politician can getelected in the United States if
they don't at least give tacit,verbal support to Israel.
And, as I say, no nation iscompletely free of guilt in wars
that they create, let alone theUnited States.
But we've created a mantrawithin Western society that any
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criticism of Jews isanti-Semitic, even if it's
legitimate or not.
Now I don't pretend.
There's a lot of conservativesthat talk about the Zionists.
Well, not all Jews are Zionistsand in fact Zionists don't end
up being religious Jews at all.
They could care less abouttheir own religion, but I choose
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to criticize globalism as thereal entity.
Now that includes significantJews like George Soros and
Zbigniew Brzezinski and HenryKissinger, who just died, etc.
There have been a lot of Jewsinvolved, especially in the rise
of the Soviet Union LeonTrotsky, for example, and others
involved in the Bolsheviks wereJews, and even against their
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own people.
But it's not because that theyare religious Jews or defending
the peoples because they arepart of a globalist conspiracy.
So I condemn globalist leaders,and that includes what Jews are
involved there, not Jews inparticular.
The world doesn't run, not, alot of people will say.
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Well, the Jews did 9-11, andthat isn't true at all.
That was our own deep statethat did 9-11, from the hiring
of the terrorists to the loadingof the buildings with
explosives, to the technologythat allowed them to remote
control some of the airliners.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Right, and so what you've said before is that these
globalists don't have acommunist ideology.
It's a convenient ideology forthem to use to weaken our
national sovereignty and thesovereignty of other countries,
and so same deal goes forJudaism.
It's not necessarily theirideology or their religion.
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It's something that they canidentify with as a form of
immunity, is the way youdescribed it.
So, in that case, what is theglobalist ideology?
Is it just pure fascism, thattype of grandiose, narcissistic,
psychopathic kind of idea, oris there a religiosity to them,
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satanic kind of thing?
What's your take on that?
You only have a few minutesleft, but it's a big question.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
But whatever you have , Well, it is my belief that all
three globalist predatorcenters Russia, china and the
Anglo-American globalists aresatanic based.
There's no way that theseconspiracies can go on for
centuries, generations, withoutbeing spiritually driven, and
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this is not religion in thesense that it's anti-religion
being satan based.
But there's no mafia chief thatcan establish a 200 year plan
for his own conspiracy andexpect his family to continue
that.
It just doesn't happen.
You have to have continualspiritual direction.
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So, just as I believe in God, Ithink that there is satanic
revelation as well to his people, but only at the very top.
There's a whole mix ofglobalists Most of the
globalists like in the worldeconomic form, klaus Schwab who
consider an AI robotic society.
They don't know that the toplevel globalists are going to
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give us a world war that's goingto destroy the ability to have
an AI robotic society.
This war is going to bepreceded by about 15, 20 minutes
by an EMP strike that's goingto take down the grid for over a
year, because we don'tstockpile the long distance
transformers that allow you tothey're all made in China to get
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the grid back up and running,and so you can't have an AI
robotic society without aconstant flow of electricity and
a constant flow of good, moralpeople to keep order in society.
We're losing that as well,right?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Well, this is fascinating.
I definitely want to do afollow up episode about World
War III.
So thank you for your insight,joel really appreciate it.
And everyone can go to yourwebsite sign up for World
Affairs brief and this is SeanMorgan signing out.
You can go to get my breakingnews updates at Sean Morgan
reportcom.
God bless all you patriots.
Good night, good luck.
Next, on the Sean Morgan Report, we have Joel Kast
and he was giving us hisanalysis on the war in the
Middle East.
We are going to question themainstream narrative and expose
media propaganda right now.
That's a great question.
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
That's a great question.
That's a great question.
Well, that's a really goodquestion.
It's a great question.
Well, you're right.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It is great to have Joel Kast and the editor of the
World Affairs Brief with us.
So, joel, I've read youranalysis on the war in the
Middle East.
It's very nuanced, includingthe fact that it seems pretty
obvious that Israel allowed thistype of attack to initiate this
war.
And why would they do that youwere mentioning, I believe, a
(00:52):
faction of Israel has a deepstate, just like in our country
we have a faction of the US thatis deep state, and so they were
the ones that allowed thatattack.
Could you give us your analysisthere?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yes, benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister,
is a globalist.
He's a Henry Kissinger protégé.
Henry Kissinger and associatespaid for his education in the
United States.
They set him up in Wall Streetfor his first job and then he
set him up in politics in Israelby allowing him to create an
(01:28):
anti-terrorism worldwideconference in Israel to which
all the bigwigs in US politicsattended.
Anybody can do that in Israelas an instant hero in Israeli
politics.
That's how we got to start.
So marching to a globalistagenda, which is a lot about
creating wars and conflicts sothat you can talk your own
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citizens into something thatthey would otherwise not accept
is standard, fair.
And of course, this Netanyahuand Israel claims was their own
9-11.
It was different than our 9-11in the sense that our own deep
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state actually created.
They hired the terrorists, theyloaded the buildings with
explosives, they used high-techtechnology to remote control
airplanes that the hijackerscould not fly, and I can tell
you, as a fighter pilot, thatyou wouldn't even know how to
turn off the autopilot in anairliner if you trained on a
Cessna and failed at thattraining to boot.
(02:34):
But in this case, this was notactually created.
Hamas has given funding andinitially helped create Hamas in
the Gaza Strip as acounterbalance to the PLO under
Yassir Erfatt.
And they continue to fund Hamasthrough Qatar, which houses the
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Hamas leaders in luxury andfive-star hotels which they do
nothing about to try to capturefor humanitarian purposes.
But in any case, hamas had beenplanning this for over a year.
In fact, the New York Times gotthe leaked intelligence that
the Israeli intelligence had forover a year, which the Israeli
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intelligence claimed, inresponse to the New York Times
article that they dismissedbecause it was quote
aspirational, meaning that theydidn't think Hamas could do it.
Now they know better than that.
Hamas had 10 years to preparefor this attack and there was
all kinds of other intelligenceconfirming it was coming,
including private intelligencesources which the IDF provided
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equipment to over to eavesdropon cell phone conversations
throughout Gaza which hecontinued to warn Israel that
this attack was coming, and theyfinally took his equipment away
and told him to shut up becausethey don't want to hear it.
They also moved the IsraeliGaza battalion 80 percent of it.
(04:06):
They moved out of southernIsrael into the West Bank, now
putting Israeli quick responsetroops more than seven hours
away from being able to respond,and all of that confirmed that
this was in fact a stand down toallow it to happen, so that
they could not respond in atimely manner.
And that's how they started.
(04:27):
And I asked the question, sean,about why.
I initially thought, in myWorld Affairs Brief article
covering this, that it was toprovoke a wider war with Iran,
since Iran is the primarysponsor of the military
equipment in both Hezbollah inYemen, the Houthis and in Gaza.
(04:49):
But Iran didn't take the bait.
Even though Israel has beenattacking Iranian militia in
Syria for the past two years,they've never arisen to take
retaliatory measures againstIsrael because they're not ready
yet to tackle.
They know that the West willpiggyback on that attack, so
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they're not ready to take on theentire West, so they didn't
rise to the bait.
It has not expanded into a widerwar, so that leaves Israel with
the vow that they're going intoGaza to eliminate Hamas
militarily, and as a militaryexpert, I don't think that's
feasible.
Frankly, I think when you havethe network of underground
tunnels that they have, whichare over 400 kilometers, it's
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very difficult to ferret outthem all, though they have
gotten a great deal of them.
But you're talking about atmost, 50,000 troops in Hamas in
a sea of 2.3 million people inan urban jungle, and that's very
, very difficult to eradicate.
If you don't eradicate them all, this war is going to create,
of course, many more thousandsof Hamas activists, which will
(05:57):
then swell the ranks, andthere'll be another hiatus, like
there was last time, of five orsix years before another attack
.
So I think the cost in civilianlife is not worth the fact,
though.
You have to go after yourenemies, I mean to be sure, but
clearly they're choosing theroute that minimizes military
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casualties and maximize civiliancasualties by using aerial
bombardment when Hamas isgenerally underground.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Right and destroying the infrastructure.
Is it going to be a livableplace by the time Israel's done
with it?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, you know what happens in these things the
international community ends upfooting the bill of rebuilding
all these countries.
So it's not livable right now,Only about oh, I would say 20%
of the buildings are probablydestroyed in northern Gaza and
they're now in southern Gaza,doing a lot of destruction of
infrastructure.
The international community,including the US, will have to
(07:01):
rebuild everything at greatexpense, and you know they end
up importing a lot of explosivesand other things under the
guise of construction andmilitary equipment.
So the cycle of violence willcontinue and what's worse is
that the world, one of theglobalist agenda in creating war
in other countries, is tocreate refugee flows so that
they can interdict in Westernculture and water it down with
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Muslim culture and otherconflicting cultures, which
don't lead to greater peace, aswe're finding out in Europe and
in the United States.
So there are left-wing refugeeorganizations pushing for
massive acceptance ofPalestinians within the United
States and that's going to bringin a lot of hatred against the
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US for supporting Israel.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Right.
It's a very divisive issue inthe US.
It seems like the left and theright can't really seem to
figure out which side they're on.
They're not united necessarily,although you have more of the
evangelical right besides withIsrael and you have more of the
radical leftist side with Hamasbasically.
But it's not totally united andyou see Biden trying to play
(08:11):
both sides, which is verystrange to watch the president
do.
But let's get back at thebigger picture that Israel wants
a war with Iran.
They tried to bait them.
They didn't take the bait.
So Israel, or one faction ofIsrael, thinks they're ready to
take on Iran.
But you've had a few neocons, afew people talk about doing an
(08:34):
unprovoked attack, a firststrike on Iran.
What's the likelihood in yourmind of that happening soon?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Well, israel has been practicing an attack on Iranian
nuclear facilities now for overtwo years.
They do simulated aerialinterdiction and bombardment
using electronic jammingtechniques to be able to get
through Iran's radar earlywarning systems.
So we know they're activelyprepared for such an attack.
(09:05):
But I don't think they want tohave the image of being the
aggressor in this.
So they've wanted to have aprovocation.
They wanted to induce or getIran to retaliate so they can go
after them, and that hasn'thappened.
So if you go in, they have tobuild a bigger narrative about
the danger of Iran's nuclearprogram.
(09:25):
Now it's true that Iran isbuilding towards a nuclear
weapon.
Israel already has nuclearweapons and they feel like they
need them to be able tocounterbalance that.
But I think you'll probablyfind a leak somewhere that
Israel will claim that they'reabout ready to unleash a nuclear
weapon and that will justify astrike.
They'll have to have somerationale for going in
(09:46):
unprovoked and I think that'swhat it'll be.
It will be a nuclear threat.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And how might this ripple effect occur throughout
the Middle East?
Which sides, which countrieswill feel obligated to take
sides?
And let's talk about the biggerplayers, like Saudi Arabia, the
United States, of course.
Where do you think the EU andNATO would land on this?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, first of all, the United States keeps troops
in Iraq unnecessarily and Syriato act as bait for Iran, and our
American troops don't know thatwe're really illegally in Syria
.
There's no reason for us to bein Syria.
Syria has never been anantagonist.
In fact, we imported theterrorists into Syria.
(10:37):
That was the effect of havingbombed Libya and Tunisia and
going after Gaddafi as wecreated a wave of Muslim
terrorists which we imported andmoved into Iraq.
Then we took 50% of those andretitled them as ISIS gave them
priority.
I'm talking about we in thesense of the American deep state
.
Isis was a total Americancreation of the deep state based
(11:01):
upon 50% of the Arab terrorists.
And so we've used terrorism asan excuse to occupy the northern
oil fields of Syria, denyingSyria the money to be able to
rebuild.
And we're continuing to occupyareas of Iraq, even though the
Iraqi Polar man has refused toreauthorize that we're there in
(11:22):
spite of Iraq refusal to agree.
And so and I think we're doingthat to provide bait so that our
soldiers get bloodied by Iranand therefore justifies a US
intervention.
It's a US intervenes and thenSaudi Arabia will probably
intervene, because Iran andSaudi Arabia don't have an
amicable relationship at all,and if Saudi Arabia joins the
(11:46):
battle against Iran, they'll getattacked either.
Now, iran will be a formidablemilitary it's no pushover by any
means as a formidable Navy andit has a huge amount of missiles
and things.
So the US is going to takecasualties in this war, and so
will Israel, and Hezbollah willget involved as well, and
(12:06):
Hezbollah has not done but tokenattacks on Israel, and they've
got probably 300,000 missiles inHezbollah they can launch at
Israel and overwhelm the IronDome and Arrow system, israel's
self-defense forces.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And you've got the BRICS nations with their
economic alliance, and it makesyou wonder if they really are a
military alliance as well,specifically, of course, russia
and China.
Would they be on the sidelinesfor this type of conflict?
Do you think they would play arole, supplying intelligence and
munitions, at the very least?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Well, right now Russia is gearing up for a full
wartime economy.
Right now they've geared up tofull missile production and
wartime artillery production.
Most of that's being used up inUkraine.
So how much extra they wouldhave to add to Iran's?
But remember, russia is usingIranian drones already and some
(13:06):
of their missiles.
I don't think China and Russiawould want to get drawn into
this.
I think they would like to seethis as a means of drawing down
US and Israeli military capacity, as we're seeing the Ukraine
war sap Russia's conventionalmilitary capacity rather than
join it actively.
(13:27):
When Russia and China do joinor get into an attack on the
West, they're going to begin notwith a conventional military
armored attack on NATO or Europe.
They'll start with a preemptivenuclear missile strike on US
and NATO military forces, tryingto blackmail the West into
(13:47):
submission.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That's a very bold prediction.
I want to ask you about that.
We are going to take a quickbreak and when we get back we'll
dive into the grand strategy ofplay.
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Speaker 1 (14:39):
We are talking to Joel Scousen of World Affairs
Brief about the conflict in theMiddle East and how that could
play out perhaps Russia andChina getting involved or maybe
waiting it out.
You did mention the idea thatthere could be a first strike on
US military bases, nuclearfirst strike from Russia-China.
Why would they choose to dothat?
(15:02):
You mentioned blackmail to getus to just submit right away.
Do you think that would work?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Well, I don't think it will work.
But let me go through therationale of my theory on this.
First of all, to apply anyconventional military strategy
to Russia and China is reallynot wise.
Why would they use a recrainetype strategy, with tanks
rolling into Western Europe whenthey can't even occupy Ukraine
(15:32):
right now?
You see, that's the big problem.
Why not use your nukes toneuter the opposition's military
and then either try toblackmail and if they don't
respond to the blackmail, togive in?
Then you can go to aconventional warfare and the US
and NATO would be far lesscapable of waging that war after
(15:53):
absorbing a nuclear firststrike.
That's the rationale for that.
But Russia and China have tohave a trigger band.
They don't want to appear asthe aggressors.
The most likely trigger eventsfor World War III are really
Taiwan or South Korea in a warwith North Korea.
These have become intertwined,since North Korea has threatened
(16:15):
that if the US tries tointervene and stop China from
taking back Taiwan, that theywill intervene in the war and
attack not only US forces in thePacific but South Korea as well
.
Seoul is within artillery rangeof North Korean artillery tubes
, and so they can reallyobliterate that city within a
matter of weeks with artilleryfire alone.
(16:37):
And of course, north Koreaclaims to have nuclear weapons
as well, which I don't doubtthat they don't have.
So here's how I think thatmight play out.
Now, a likely scenario is thatthe US could be over committed
in Ukraine and in an Iran war ifthat starts up and that might
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induce China to start theirattack on Taiwan, knowing that
the US would be hard-pressed tobe able to handle a two or three
front war.
And if they do intervene inNorth Korea, then and by the way
, North Korea is a total puppetstate of China they won't start
an attack, no matter what KimYoung-un threatens to do, unless
China gives the go-ahead.
(17:20):
But if the North Koreans attackSouth Korea, the US has now
this is what's different inUkraine and in Israel.
The US doesn't have troops inIsrael and doesn't have troops
in Ukraine, at least except fora few secret advisors.
But we do have 26,000 troops inSouth Korea and the US would be
required to come to theirdefense if North Korea attacks
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South Korea.
And so if we attacks NorthKorea in defense of South Korea,
that's an excuse for China thento launch a preemptive nuclear
strike to stop those attacks,and they would basically attack
all of us.
Yes, that's exactly what I wasgoing to ask you.
What would be their objective?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
They're trying to destroy our equipment and our
men.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Right, they're not after attacking cities because,
you see, they want to occupyboth North or US and Canada.
China's run out of living space.
They've run out of agriculturalspace.
It's mostly desert in China.
They can hardly feed theirpeople, especially with periodic
famines and floods and thingsthat flood the various
(18:28):
agricultural lands.
General Hao Tian, the formerDefense Minister, in a speech in
2011, did threaten Now this wasleaked to the press through the
epic times, an anti-communistChinese outfit in the United
States, telling how they'regoing to be ruthless.
They want to cleanse the nationof people.
(18:49):
If they can't do it bybiological warfare, they want to
do it by occupation in order tohave more living space.
They said you know, we're notgoing to be easy on the West
like the Nazis were.
We're going to be ruthless.
I should understand that theChinese do have a ruthless
streak in them about treatingother conquered people, as
(19:10):
anyone who's lived under Chineseoccupation has found out.
But you see, the problem thatwe're facing is that not only do
Russia which, as I've explainedto my World Affairs Brief
subscribers fake their owndemise in 1989 and 1990 in order
to get Western aid and tradeand put Russian peoples into
(19:31):
Ukraine, into the borders ofUkraine in the Baltic states, to
have an excuse to attacksomeday in the future when they
wanted to reconstitute theSoviet Union.
Both Russia, china want thiswar and also the Western
globalists want this Third WorldWar.
Your readers need to understandthat the US globalists have been
building communist enemies fordecades.
(19:54):
They gave $20 million to theBolsheviks to start the
revolution.
Britain gave an additional $20million in gold to the
Bolsheviks.
We cut off military aid to theWhite Russians to make sure the
Bolsheviks won.
We brought Mao Zedong to powerby cutting off military aid to
Batey—to Chiang Kai-shek.
We brought Castro to power bycutting off military aid to
(20:17):
Bateysta.
We brought the Sandinistas topower in Nicaragua by cutting
off military aid to Samosa, andthe list goes on and on about
how we've undermined Westerncountries in order to bring
communists to power.
Not because the globalists arecommunists.
There are too manyconservatives talking about
letting the communists take overthis country.
(20:38):
No, it's the globalists thatare a threat.
They're using communists, andeven BLM and Antifa communists,
in order to break down thesocial order in a Hegelian
dialectic where they createconflict and crises so that they
come in and save us with asolution that we would not
normally attend and the reasonfor the globalists wanting this
(20:58):
preemptive nuclear strike on ourmilitary so they can come out
of their bunkers and say well,we didn't know this was going to
happen, which is a lie, but nowthat has happened.
The only way that we can defendourselves and prosecute this
war is by joining animmilitarized global government,
and I believe this new EU armythat is being formed and funded
in secret in Europe is the seedstock for a new global military
(21:24):
post-nuclear strike.
But I think you might ask thequestion well, how does the US
intend to win a nuclear war whenyou absorb a nuclear first
strike?
And, by the way, we have amilitary doctrine that was
signed in 1997 during theClinton administration
Presidential Decision Directive60, which specifically dictates
to our missile forces to absorba nuclear first strike and not
(21:47):
launch on warning.
Now, launch on warning is veryimportant because if you launch
on warning when our satellitesdetect a launch by Chinese and
Russian missile forces, thentheir missiles hit empty silos
and our missiles that launch hitlegitimate targets.
So the one who launches onwarning wins the war, not the
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one who launches first.
And that's one of the reasonswhy I think our pacifists
dictated such a suicidal policyin 1997.
General Butch Neal of the MarineCorps said retaliate with what
Once you've absorbed a nuclearfirst strike?
Now we have some submarines outthere.
About half of our 14 ballisticmissile submarines are on duty
(22:30):
at any one time.
The rest are important and canbe targeted, but those warheads
on the Trident missiles are notcapable of hitting hardened
underground targets like YamatoMountain and the 3,000 miles of
underground Chinese militarytargets.
So it's a difficult scenario.
But I think that the mostlikely trigger event for World
(22:53):
War III is going to be a war inTaiwan or South Korea and if you
see that happen within a week Ithink we'll be in a third world
war.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
That could be the match that lights everything on
fire.
That's very interesting, and Ido want to do a follow up
episode with you to get into theRussia-China possibilities.
But going back to the war inthe Middle East, I find it
really fascinating that thiswhole anti-Semitic college
campus free speech issue came tothe fore, where you have the
(23:27):
majority of the Ivy Leagueschools actually have Jewish
presidents, and then the fewthat are not Jewish were put up
on the stand and grilled aboutwhy they allowed anti-Semitic
comments and protests and speechon their campus, and two of
them stepped down or were fired.
And so I just wanted to findout from you what is the Israel
(23:51):
lobby like, the Israel powerstructure like?
Is it embedded in the US?
What is that relationship like?
Who's the puppet master when itcomes to the US and Israel?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Well, it's a complex question because it goes clear
back to the Holocaust and whythe mainstream media promoted to
such an degree the Holocaustand while it did happen, and
clearly they went after the Jewsunjustly.
(24:27):
There was some exaggerationabout the numbers and about the
use of the gas chambers, etcetera, and has been disputed.
But what I think wanted tohappen is that because there's
so many intellectual Jews in thehierarchy of the globalist
conspiracy against nationalsovereignty and liberty, the
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globalist wanted to create akind of immunity for Jewish
leaders involved in those thingsso that any criticism would be
viewed as anti-Semitism.
And so you can't criticizeIsrael legitimately without
being called an anti-Semite andyou can't criticize the war
without being anti-Semitic.
(25:10):
The Jewish lobby is extremelypowerful.
Almost no politician can getelected in the United States if
they don't at least give tacit,verbal support to Israel.
And, as I say, no nation iscompletely free of guilt in wars
that they create, let alone theUnited States.
But we've created a mantrawithin Western society that any
(25:33):
criticism of Jews isanti-Semitic, even if it's
legitimate or not.
Now I don't pretend.
There's a lot of conservativesthat talk about the Zionists.
Well, not all Jews are Zionistsand in fact Zionists don't end
up being religious Jews at all.
They could care less abouttheir own religion, but I choose
(25:53):
to criticize globalism as thereal entity.
Now that includes significantJews like George Soros and
Zbigniew Brzezinski and HenryKissinger, who just died, etc.
There have been a lot of Jewsinvolved, especially in the rise
of the Soviet Union LeonTrotsky, for example, and others
involved in the Bolsheviks wereJews, and even against their
(26:19):
own people.
But it's not because that theyare religious Jews or defending
the peoples because they arepart of a globalist conspiracy.
So I condemn globalist leaders,and that includes what Jews are
involved there, not Jews inparticular.
The world doesn't run, not, alot of people will say.
(26:39):
Well, the Jews did 9-11, andthat isn't true at all.
That was our own deep statethat did 9-11, from the hiring
of the terrorists to the loadingof the buildings with
explosives, to the technologythat allowed them to remote
control some of the airliners.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Right, and so what you've said before is that these
globalists don't have acommunist ideology.
It's a convenient ideology forthem to use to weaken our
national sovereignty and thesovereignty of other countries,
and so same deal goes forJudaism.
It's not necessarily theirideology or their religion.
(27:21):
It's something that they canidentify with as a form of
immunity, is the way youdescribed it.
So, in that case, what is theglobalist ideology?
Is it just pure fascism, thattype of grandiose, narcissistic,
psychopathic kind of idea, oris there a religiosity to them,
(27:43):
satanic kind of thing?
What's your take on that?
You only have a few minutesleft, but it's a big question.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
But whatever you have , Well, it is my belief that all
three globalist predatorcenters Russia, china and the
Anglo-American globalists aresatanic based.
There's no way that theseconspiracies can go on for
centuries, generations, withoutbeing spiritually driven, and
(28:10):
this is not religion in thesense that it's anti-religion
being satan based.
But there's no mafia chief thatcan establish a 200 year plan
for his own conspiracy andexpect his family to continue
that.
It just doesn't happen.
You have to have continualspiritual direction.
(28:31):
So, just as I believe in God, Ithink that there is satanic
revelation as well to his people, but only at the very top.
There's a whole mix ofglobalists Most of the
globalists like in the worldeconomic form, klaus Schwab who
consider an AI robotic society.
They don't know that the toplevel globalists are going to
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give us a world war that's goingto destroy the ability to have
an AI robotic society.
This war is going to bepreceded by about 15, 20 minutes
by an EMP strike that's goingto take down the grid for over a
year, because we don'tstockpile the long distance
transformers that allow you tothey're all made in China to get
(29:12):
the grid back up and running,and so you can't have an AI
robotic society without aconstant flow of electricity and
a constant flow of good, moralpeople to keep order in society.
We're losing that as well,right?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Well, this is fascinating.
I definitely want to do afollow up episode about World
War III.
So thank you for your insight,joel really appreciate it.
And everyone can go to yourwebsite sign up for World
Affairs brief and this is SeanMorgan signing out.
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