December 8, 2023 • 30 mins
In this episode of SMR, Sean Morgan interviews Matt Ehret about his latest book that details the war between two schools of thought throughout western civilization and how it will determine our fate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Next, on the Sean Morgan Report, matthew Arrett
talks about how science has beenperverted long before the
pandemic.
We're gonna question themainstream narrative and expose
media propaganda right now.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
That's a great question.
That's a good question.
Great question, that's a greatquestion.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Well, that's a really good question.
It's a great question.
Matthew Arrett is the editor ofthe Canadian Patriot Review.
(00:33):
Matt, thanks for joining us.
Tell me why you decided towrite this new book about
science unleashed.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Well, the purpose was I supposed to think about a
follow-up, because I had writtena four volume book series
called the Clash of the TwoAmericas, and one of the things
left untouched within the fourvolume sort of reconstruction of
the story of the deep state inAmerica.
Where did it come from?
How was it organized by theBritish Empire?
What is the British Empire?
That's still undead.
(01:01):
That's still an active forcethat interfaces with you know,
various political cults, likethe Fabian society, the round
table movement, the RhodesScholar operation that did so
much damage.
So, in terms of shaping ourhistory, our narratives, the
models, even in science, that,like Eric Lander, the guy who is
the head of Joe Biden's sciencepolicy, was a Rhodes Scholar
(01:24):
right, indoctrinated in Oxford,like they all are, and
re-infused back into the USA Tocarry out or advance the agenda
for essentially rebrandingfascism and eugenics, the
science of population control,around a new set of stories that
look different, but it's thesame vicious thing that the
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Nazis were trying to do.
And so why don't people seethis?
It's a multi-dimensional waragainst the human soul, the mind
and the body.
Why do people have so muchdifficulty?
The most educated people, itseems, have the most difficulty
in wrapping their minds aroundconspiracies that have shaped
all of human civilization, whichis causal, right.
(02:07):
So human civilization is a veryspecial thing.
Humanity is a wonderful,wonderful, wonderful thing.
We're each of us sacred andwe're animated by a love of
freedom that our soul needs.
Like our body needs water andfood, our soul needs freedom and
dignity, which requires a fightagainst tyranny.
(02:29):
Those who would wish to enslaveus, who have a different idea
of what human beings are, ismade in the image, maybe, of mud
.
So this clash of ideas is atthe causal nexus of the shaping
of all human systems.
Wars, assassinations,revolutions, you name it.
You can't understand any of itif you don't look at the
opposing view of human natureand God and law that has shaped
(02:51):
everything in different parts ofthe world.
So why is it that thiscausality, which is in the
domain of intentions and ideas,is so difficult for people who
have been processed through thisuniversity materialistic system
, who choose to instead thinkabout popular explanations that
have no bearing on conspiraciesand become like a bad word?
(03:13):
That's a sign that you're crazy.
So the science in shackled wasto get it like.
Well, what is the battlegroundof the mind and soul, especially
around science that has shapedthe last 2000 years, and I tried
to take a step back.
It's about 270 pages, this book,and it's called Restoring
Causality in a World of Chaos.
To try to get it that there'snot just one thing called
(03:36):
Western science, like we've beentold in a simplistic fashion,
which is a lie that goes from,like Plato, to the Renaissance,
the Enlightenment and theirmodern age of Eric Lenders,
genetics and you know theoversaw, the CRISPR technology
and the human genome project andall these things.
There's not one continuity,there's two opposing currents,
sort of a clash of two scienceswith one current based upon a
(04:02):
belief in God, a belief in thehuman soul, the belief in the
idea that we are made in theimage of a creator, which gives
rise to the great discoveriescreatively throughout the ages.
That allows us to overcome thelimits to growth, sustain more
people at a higher quality oflife.
That's tied to the technologyof government and its
improvement as well.
As Benjamin Franklin, the greatscientist of his day,
(04:22):
understood that these are twosides of the same coin his
discovery on electricity and hisdiscoveries and fight for
political freedom.
Two sides of the same fight,and I tried to get across how
these two currents of sciencehave manifested throughout the
ages, with certain chaptersdealing with the battles over
cosmology, over atomic physics,over life sciences, things like
(04:49):
that.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It's so ambitious.
You did such a great job.
As I was looking through thebook, you know just Western
civilization a lot of peopleagree started with the Greeks
and with Socrates and Plato.
And then you describe thisdivergence between these two
opposing currents, as you calledit.
So when did it start?
When did it diverge?
(05:11):
Plato's student Aristotle, canyou talk about how these two
sides started to oppose eachother?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Well, I think that it was already divergent before
Plato and Aristotle were havingtheir disputes in the School of
Athens, but I think it was themost documented with their works
.
So it's something we can like,latch onto and study more
clinically because of theirworks having survived.
I would say that the PlatonicSchool and we're given a lie
(05:39):
saying that Aristotle advancedPlato's thesis or theories, not
true.
If you actually look at thePlatonic Dialogues and I've read
them all and if you read thecore works of Aristotle, the
Nicomachean Ethics, his physics,there's certain core
presumptions that place both menin two different universes that
they think they exist in.
Now I would say that thePlatonic world.
If you read the Mino Dialogue,the Philebus, the Phaedo, he's
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always very clear that the humanbeing is distinguished by a
divine spark of an immortal soulthat we can prove exists, that
is shaped by the Creator, whohas a triune attribute or
quality of being of the Creator,the created in creation, which
he develops in his Tamea'sDialogue.
So there's an idea of a soul,whereas in Aristotle there's an
(06:27):
idea of a blank slate, thatthere is no soul that pre-exists
, but rather we just are tabularasa, which means that those who
control the levers of truth,the definitions are those who
have power, who can impresstheir will onto the students or
the victims within that societythat they wish to influence.
So, whereas Plato's gettingacross in his Allegory of the
(06:49):
Cave that the point of the truephilosopher is to love wisdom,
not to act like a sophist andsay that you have wisdom, and
that means not only getting outof the cave, where people might
believe that in shadows beingreal, cast by shadow makers
behind them that they don't knowexist, but also the willingness
to go back into the cave out oflove of your fellow man, even
at risk of your own life, whichis the part that the oligarchy
(07:11):
who likes using Plato's Republicas a guide for their
manipulations.
They don't like.
That part that Plato, orthrough the voice of Socrates,
says the true philosopher must,after learning how to think and
use the eyes of reason to lookat the world as it is, through
knowledge instead of through thesenses, then go back morally
into the cave to help others.
(07:32):
They hate that part, becausethat's the part that, again, a
Benjamin Franklin, a MartinLuther King Jr at JFK is tapping
into when they're developingtheir courage and creative
powers to fight against systemsof global evil.
So, yeah, that's one of manydifferences between the Platonic
and Aristotelian way ofthinking of human beings, the
creator and the creation thatwe're supposed to be exploring.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And here we are in the modern age where you have
these different gurus,technocrats talking about
merging with the singularity andinstalling brain chips and so
forth, and you never hear any ofthem talking about liberating
others from slavery or mentalslavery.
It's always just we are godsand we need to liberate
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ourselves and just bask in theglory of our greatness once we
merge with the machine.
So such a different philosophy.
I'm even reminded of theEastern religions and Buddhism,
where, once you achieveenlightenment, you're supposed
to actually go back and, throughmany lifetimes, help enlighten
others, not just stay in Nirvanaand enjoy yourself.
(08:38):
So there is this kind of moralversus amoral of the two schools
of thought.
And you talked about thecreator versus the creator, less
the atheistic versus thebeliever as another way of
looking at these two currents.
So what are some of the otherattributes of these two currents
?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Sure yeah.
Well, one of them is the ideathat the universe is organized
in a fashion which is noble tothe mind of somebody who has
nurtured their poetic,aesthetical identity.
To render one's soul sensitiveto higher beauty, higher
sentiments, is an importantcomponent of the Platonic
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philosophy that takes note thatif we want to avoid the error of
projecting our own neuroticdisorders onto the creator, when
we conceptualize what theessence of the creator is, which
is what oligarchs will do,right, the idea of a tyrannical
God that wants obedience, kindof like a tyrant wants in a
fascist world system, that's amistake.
(09:41):
You want to first tap into yourlove the sense that there's a
connection between beauty, truthand goodness as different sides
of the same thing, which isnecessary as we cultivate our
powers of mind and emotions tofeel again universal sentiments.
Not sentiments like I like cake, that's very relative but
sentiments like I despiseinjustice.
I am angered when the good isunnecessarily subverted for evil
(10:06):
, when lies are believed in.
That feeling that I get now,that I had when I was, it's a
similar feeling that I had whenI was five, though every
particle in my body that makesup my bones, my skin, my flesh,
my blood is different.
That same essence of, likeMatthew at five years old, who
hated lies or and hatedinjustice or felt something.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
It's a similar feeling, though more matured,
based on my discoveries over theyears so Played over in his, in
his, to me so you're sayingthat the bad art movement, the
modern arts, which, which Couldbe just a dot on the wall and
we're all supposed to stare atit and we don't get it, so we
can't enjoy the art worldanymore like we could looking at
(10:46):
a Cezanne.
So this kind of modern artmovement of perverting art From
beauty to ugliness andcelebrating ugliness is part of
these two different schools ofthought.
Battling it out, oh big time?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yeah, most certainly, most certainly.
And then that's why I even havechapter a chapter in the
appendices on the CIA's creationof modern art, abstract art,
atonalism of Scho Schoenberg andJackson Pollock, all these
things that are just paint,paint splatterings or, as you
pointed out, just like a dot andis.
If you could come up with abullshit, sorry, if you could
(11:25):
come up with some intellectualjustification for for that dot
representing something Seeminglydeep, then it could sell for
hundreds of millions of dollars,which is part of also money
laundering.
But it's also part of theinitiation of the elites, the
new, the nouveau rich, into theinner Clubs.
They have to buy, drop a fewhundred million or billion
(11:47):
dollars on this bad art that hasbeen popularized by the CIA as
part of the war against the soulof the people.
Because if you can't judge whatis beautiful, you, you, you no
longer lose.
You lose of an importantcapacity To judge a lie, an evil
, an ugly, idea or intention.
Because when you, when youjudge, well, what's the
difference between a BarackObama or a Martin Luther King jr
(12:10):
?
I, well, they use flowerylanguage, they use rhetoric
which appeals to emotions, butone actually has a beautiful,
discoverable intention shapingthe unfolding of the words,
whereas the other has only liesand fakery with a very evil
intention ultimately hidingbehind the words that a
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sensualist would not be able todiscern.
So you've got to be able to havean aesthetically developed
sense of universal beauty andhow it is tied to reason.
It's not separate, and the CIAbroke that apart by saying no
reason in art is the tyranny ofreason that pollutes good art.
And if you want to be a goodartist, you have to be free to
be irrational, free to have acult of ugliness, to be ugly if
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you want to, because being uglyis more authentic and more
honest, because ugliness is theworld and the world is made of
these ugly, polluting,hypocritical humans who lie to
themselves.
So a true artist must be anemotionally ugly expressionist
that will reflect the truth ofthe world and not be a hypocrite
trying to be beautiful whenwe're ugly.
(13:13):
So it's all this baggage camein with that that made us more
pliable.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I guess the two schools of thought at this point
could be good versus evil whenyou put it that way, because
when you think about Sovietarchitecture and the impact that
had on the way people thinkabout themselves and their peers
and society and I'm alsorelating to that Warren
Buffett's partner, charlieMunger, was willing to pay for a
(13:41):
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wouldn't put windows in it.
And there were differentarchitects who worked on the
project who ended up quittingbecause they just thought it was
so inhumane to put human beingsin that type of environment of
imprisoning them, even thoughpeople were supposedly getting a
free dorm room or theuniversity was getting a free
(14:02):
building.
It's like getting a free prison.
Is it something that you reallywant to give to people?
So that's what we're up against.
The richest, most powerfulpeople in the world want to put
us in buildings that don't havewindows.
This is disturbing, but it'simportant to understand.
We are going to take a quickbreak as soon as we get back.
Matt will explain more of thesetwo schools of thought in his
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We're talking to Matt Eric, the author of science on
shackled.
So, matt, there are thesedifferent figureheads in the
history of science, like Newton,you know they form the basis of
everything.
You know, Darwin, I mean.
We learned in school aboutthese important figures and in
the book you tear them apart.
(17:03):
So can you take us, after Platoand Aristotle, into the
cosmology?
What were the two differentschools of thoughts that you
identified related to ourcosmology?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yeah, sure, well, I did.
I did indeed tear them apart,so to speak.
I think the two opposingcharacteristics of these two
schools of thought is that onepresumes a universe which is
ultimately animated by theabsence of life, or otherwise
known as death and decay, thatthe universe is a clock, almost
like a clockwork universe, whichhas a limited amount of energy
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into making things move, andevery time something moves it
takes up energy which is thenpulled out from the system as a
whole as things are increasinglymoving towards a death state.
As known it's been retooled inour current standard theory,
cosmology, as the heat death ofthe universe at some point in
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the future.
Now the other school presumesand this is a Platonic school,
the Pythagorean school that gaverise to the great creative
revolutions and discoveries thatalso had a political,
freedom-oriented expression toopresumes a principle of life
animating, not death, but lifeanimating the universe and
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creativity being something basedon the concept that God is not
only the creator of the universebut is not absent in any part
of the universe, that every partof the universe, however small
or large or whatever, is full ofthe principle of creation by
the creator himself as aconstant living God, not a dead
God or a tyrannical God thatcreated the universe but is
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impotent to actually influencethe universe after it was
created perfect, because it'snot perfect, there is evil.
So, and that's the consequenceof human beings having the
ability to be wrong, to believein lies and act accordingly.
So the Newtonian world.
If you look at Newton, many ofthe God heads of science that
we've been fed that we have tosort of pay homage to
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unquestionably Darwin, newton.
There's many others if youactually look at their writings
and look at the source of theirdiscoveries, because their
equations often will have afunctionality to them.
The inverse square law or theinfinitesimal calculus is useful
, but the source of it is neverthem.
There's always.
You will find, on digging, as Itried to get across in source
documentation, the.
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What became known as gravityunder Newton was actually
discovered by Johannes Keplerover 80 years before Newton.
The infinitesimal calculusattributed to Newton was
actually made by people like theBromouli brothers and Godfrey
Leibniz, a follower of Kepler,and both all Platonists of the
Augustinian tradition, allfollowing a Pythagorean thinking
that the universe is organizedharmonically according to a
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musical principle that alsomanifests visually in the
geometric domain.
That is tied to the fiveplatonic solids as well, which
create certain proportions thathave musical expression, and
that's how Kepler proved hisplanetary laws, as you could
find by reading his harmonies ofthe world, which I did with a
grouping of friends when I wasworking through the LaRouche
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organization and SchillerInstitute many years ago.
That gave me that opportunityand then you could see, okay,
the people who we celebrate forhaving made these discoveries
and we rememberized theirformula, but we don't learn
about the essence of thediscovery is our frauds.
They're actually frauds.
Working with black magicalcircles within the Rose
accrucian networks of FrancisBacon, john John D, like Newton,
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was a black magician.
He was an alchemist, anumerologist, and there's no
evidence of any actual sciencework in his surviving papers
other than alchemy and blackmagic and numerology trying to
calculate the end of the world.
That's all we have, whereas theother scientists, like Kepler
and Leibniz and Bernoulli youcould see their physical
experimentation they're nottrying to impose a mathematical
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view onto the universe, butthey're.
They're trying to make theirmathematical limited language
adapt to the created discoveriesof the universe.
They're not.
And this is the differencebetween the transhumanists and
the eugenicists and theimperialists versus true
scientists.
They have the humility to knowthat we will always be.
We will never know everything.
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We will never be gods.
We have to have that humility,such that we can then make
discoveries of God's creationand be more sensitive to how
little we actually know, but howgood we actually can be by
acting According to thosediscoveries.
That allows us new freedoms tofly.
When we discover laws ofaerodynamics, right.
When we discover the laws, themysterious laws of electricity
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we have, we can all of a suddenuse electricity in a way that
allows us to overcome limits togrowth.
That allows us new abilities tosustain more people at a higher
quality of life, which theoligarchy despises the
Malthusians, the controllers ofDarwin like Thomas Huxley, the
extension of Darwin intoeugenics and social Darwinism
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under Galton and Herbert Spencer, and their extension into the
transhumanists, led by peoplelike Thomas Huxley, julian
Huxley and Aldous Huxley.
They all deny, they hate, theydespise this fact that human
beings are a species, that of anopen system.
We can discover more ofourselves inwardly as we
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discover more outwardly, and youread the writings of people
like Max Planck, madame Curie,mendeliev, who made discoveries
where they were all using this,this Platonic, augustinian,
keplerian method, in oppositionto those who would wish to
undermine them, like theCopenhagen School of Quantum
Mechanics around Niels Bohr andOppenheimer and Heisenberg, who
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are just a cultist.
They don't make discoveries,they make descriptive models
that can maybe find a limiteduse but otherwise create an
obsturantism that opens the doorto justifying why AI will
inevitably replace human beings,because we're that limited,
unless we fuse with machinery tobecome relevant again.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
So that's the short side of it, I'm noticing a theme
here of that people who havethat belief of no creator and
the scientists who are leadingthat side of that school of
thought are a cultist and blackmagicians and Satanists.
So this is disturbing to learnthat some of these people who
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are put up there as heroes on apedestal for kids in elementary,
middle and high school werepart of this kind of dark school
.
So nowadays we've got theFauci's, we've got the Bill Nye,
the science guys and thesevarious science figureheads that
go around acting like expertsand acting like they are the
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authorities.
Are there any?
Maybe you want to mention a fewmore in the modern schools of
science, maybe our modernquantum mechanics or cosmologies
that are string theory, some ofthese different things that
we're still talking about todayto try to figure things out?
Who are some of the kind of CIAfigureheads that are pushing a
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narrative and who are somelegitimate scientists who are
really pushing us to understandthings to the next level and
discover new things?
Is there anyone in pop cultureor anyone in science that we
might have heard of that youmight want to point us in that
direction, of these two schoolsstill battling it out today?
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah, sure, well, I do go through some of these more
contemporary representatives ofeither school within the pages
of my book Science and Shackles.
So people can read about thoselike the recently deceased
scientist Robert Goussard, whodiscovered a completely novel
and wonderful approach to fusionenergy, which was unfortunately
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undermined by the US Navy andUS Naval intelligence.
But there's people like MichaelClaridge, a lot of the figures
who are currently revolvingaround the Electric Universe
grouping.
There are I don't agree witheverybody, but there's a lot of
really potent science andengineers in that domain doing
great work, picking up the torchdespite the standard model.
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Cosmologists and quantumtheorists who have really
dominated the institutions, andI don't think that most of them
are aware of the politicalfunding necessarily behind what
they're doing, but it's.
That's how cults work, youdon't?
Not every member knows thatthey're part of the cult.
So again, there's a lot that Igo through in the book that
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showcase the more recentrepresentatives of either school
.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Right.
And are there?
What would you say to a parentraising a child right now to get
them out of that publiceducation type of mindset of
obedience to authority ratherthan critical thinking, to that
platonic Socratic method ofdiscovering the truth and
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building and creating andexperimenting?
Any anything to point at abouthow we've got the homeschooling
movement and so forth?
Go ahead, take it away.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Yeah, definitely focus on original texts, source
texts, to look for people whomade discoveries and then read
their writings.
Don't read about them fromother experts.
Read the writings.
I guarantee you they'reeminently readable generally and
they will tell you a lot moreabout how their minds worked
when they were making adiscovery.
Whether it was Kepler, whetherit was Leibniz, or whether it
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was Plato and his followers,like a xenophon and others from
the Platonic Academy, you canread their writings and then try
to replicate as much as you cando justice to understand,
relive the discovery process andin so doing, new faculties will
be presented to you that youwon't even imagine.
It's much better than justmemorizing the right answers,
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like we've often beenconditioned to in the current
education system to memorize butnot understand why a formula is
true.
So why is A squared plus Bsquared equals C squared?
What does that physically meanin the physical universe?
When you deal with squares andtriangles, what's being
expressed?
Why is it true?
How did Pythagoras think whenhe was making that discovery?
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What about the doubling of asquare?
What actions physically must behappening that are not simply
mathematical to the doubling ofthe surface area of a square
that makes it double its surfacearea, instead of just saying
like one squared times twoequals two.
Do it geometrically, do it inthe real world that exists first
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, and then you could startseeing that math is a useful but
limited shadow domain, a tool,but not something we should be
worshiping, whereas theoligarchy wants us to worship
the tool and identify it as ifit is governing Follow the rules
.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
We've got these laws and we just seem to memorize the
laws and follow the rule bookrather than continue to make
discoveries and see the patternsthat may exist.
Doing great work, Matt.
Where can people go to buy thebook?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
They can go to canadianpatriotorg or write me
at CanadianPatriot1776 attutanotacom, and we have free
copy, not free, sorry.
We have signed copies I couldsend your way.
Also, books on the clash of thetwo Americas and my wife's
books on the employer in whichthe Black Sun never set, also
available signed copies, or onAmazon, on our websites.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
You and your wife are such a power couple in our
movement.
You're doing really great workto deprogram us, to educate us,
break us down and build us up.
Matt, you're doing really greatresearch and I really admire
what you're doing and I think ifeveryone wants to dive in, just
go to canadianpatriotorg.
Thank you, matt, for coming onthe show and thank you all of
(28:50):
you for watching AMP News.
We are America's PatriotNetwork.
You can get my breaking newsupdates seanmorganreportcom and
get our latest shows on theampnewsus.
God bless all you Patriots.
Good night, good luck sings Myou.
Next, on the Sean Morgan Report, matthew Arrett
talks about how science has beenperverted long before the
pandemic.
We're gonna question themainstream narrative and expose
media propaganda right now.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
That's a great question.
That's a good question.
Great question, that's a greatquestion.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Well, that's a really good question.
It's a great question.
Matthew Arrett is the editor ofthe Canadian Patriot Review.
(00:33):
Matt, thanks for joining us.
Tell me why you decided towrite this new book about
science unleashed.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Well, the purpose was I supposed to think about a
follow-up, because I had writtena four volume book series
called the Clash of the TwoAmericas, and one of the things
left untouched within the fourvolume sort of reconstruction of
the story of the deep state inAmerica.
Where did it come from?
How was it organized by theBritish Empire?
What is the British Empire?
That's still undead.
(01:01):
That's still an active forcethat interfaces with you know,
various political cults, likethe Fabian society, the round
table movement, the RhodesScholar operation that did so
much damage.
So, in terms of shaping ourhistory, our narratives, the
models, even in science, that,like Eric Lander, the guy who is
the head of Joe Biden's sciencepolicy, was a Rhodes Scholar
(01:24):
right, indoctrinated in Oxford,like they all are, and
re-infused back into the USA Tocarry out or advance the agenda
for essentially rebrandingfascism and eugenics, the
science of population control,around a new set of stories that
look different, but it's thesame vicious thing that the
(01:46):
Nazis were trying to do.
And so why don't people seethis?
It's a multi-dimensional waragainst the human soul, the mind
and the body.
Why do people have so muchdifficulty?
The most educated people, itseems, have the most difficulty
in wrapping their minds aroundconspiracies that have shaped
all of human civilization, whichis causal, right.
(02:07):
So human civilization is a veryspecial thing.
Humanity is a wonderful,wonderful, wonderful thing.
We're each of us sacred andwe're animated by a love of
freedom that our soul needs.
Like our body needs water andfood, our soul needs freedom and
dignity, which requires a fightagainst tyranny.
(02:29):
Those who would wish to enslaveus, who have a different idea
of what human beings are, ismade in the image, maybe, of mud
.
So this clash of ideas is atthe causal nexus of the shaping
of all human systems.
Wars, assassinations,revolutions, you name it.
You can't understand any of itif you don't look at the
opposing view of human natureand God and law that has shaped
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everything in different parts ofthe world.
So why is it that thiscausality, which is in the
domain of intentions and ideas,is so difficult for people who
have been processed through thisuniversity materialistic system
, who choose to instead thinkabout popular explanations that
have no bearing on conspiraciesand become like a bad word?
(03:13):
That's a sign that you're crazy.
So the science in shackled wasto get it like.
Well, what is the battlegroundof the mind and soul, especially
around science that has shapedthe last 2000 years, and I tried
to take a step back.
It's about 270 pages, this book,and it's called Restoring
Causality in a World of Chaos.
To try to get it that there'snot just one thing called
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Western science, like we've beentold in a simplistic fashion,
which is a lie that goes from,like Plato, to the Renaissance,
the Enlightenment and theirmodern age of Eric Lenders,
genetics and you know theoversaw, the CRISPR technology
and the human genome project andall these things.
There's not one continuity,there's two opposing currents,
sort of a clash of two scienceswith one current based upon a
(04:02):
belief in God, a belief in thehuman soul, the belief in the
idea that we are made in theimage of a creator, which gives
rise to the great discoveriescreatively throughout the ages.
That allows us to overcome thelimits to growth, sustain more
people at a higher quality oflife.
That's tied to the technologyof government and its
improvement as well.
As Benjamin Franklin, the greatscientist of his day,
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understood that these are twosides of the same coin his
discovery on electricity and hisdiscoveries and fight for
political freedom.
Two sides of the same fight,and I tried to get across how
these two currents of sciencehave manifested throughout the
ages, with certain chaptersdealing with the battles over
cosmology, over atomic physics,over life sciences, things like
(04:49):
that.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
It's so ambitious.
You did such a great job.
As I was looking through thebook, you know just Western
civilization a lot of peopleagree started with the Greeks
and with Socrates and Plato.
And then you describe thisdivergence between these two
opposing currents, as you calledit.
So when did it start?
When did it diverge?
(05:11):
Plato's student Aristotle, canyou talk about how these two
sides started to oppose eachother?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Well, I think that it was already divergent before
Plato and Aristotle were havingtheir disputes in the School of
Athens, but I think it was themost documented with their works
.
So it's something we can like,latch onto and study more
clinically because of theirworks having survived.
I would say that the PlatonicSchool and we're given a lie
(05:39):
saying that Aristotle advancedPlato's thesis or theories, not
true.
If you actually look at thePlatonic Dialogues and I've read
them all and if you read thecore works of Aristotle, the
Nicomachean Ethics, his physics,there's certain core
presumptions that place both menin two different universes that
they think they exist in.
Now I would say that thePlatonic world.
If you read the Mino Dialogue,the Philebus, the Phaedo, he's
(06:05):
always very clear that the humanbeing is distinguished by a
divine spark of an immortal soulthat we can prove exists, that
is shaped by the Creator, whohas a triune attribute or
quality of being of the Creator,the created in creation, which
he develops in his Tamea'sDialogue.
So there's an idea of a soul,whereas in Aristotle there's an
(06:27):
idea of a blank slate, thatthere is no soul that pre-exists
, but rather we just are tabularasa, which means that those who
control the levers of truth,the definitions are those who
have power, who can impresstheir will onto the students or
the victims within that societythat they wish to influence.
So, whereas Plato's gettingacross in his Allegory of the
(06:49):
Cave that the point of the truephilosopher is to love wisdom,
not to act like a sophist andsay that you have wisdom, and
that means not only getting outof the cave, where people might
believe that in shadows beingreal, cast by shadow makers
behind them that they don't knowexist, but also the willingness
to go back into the cave out oflove of your fellow man, even
at risk of your own life, whichis the part that the oligarchy
(07:11):
who likes using Plato's Republicas a guide for their
manipulations.
They don't like.
That part that Plato, orthrough the voice of Socrates,
says the true philosopher must,after learning how to think and
use the eyes of reason to lookat the world as it is, through
knowledge instead of through thesenses, then go back morally
into the cave to help others.
(07:32):
They hate that part, becausethat's the part that, again, a
Benjamin Franklin, a MartinLuther King Jr at JFK is tapping
into when they're developingtheir courage and creative
powers to fight against systemsof global evil.
So, yeah, that's one of manydifferences between the Platonic
and Aristotelian way ofthinking of human beings, the
creator and the creation thatwe're supposed to be exploring.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And here we are in the modern age where you have
these different gurus,technocrats talking about
merging with the singularity andinstalling brain chips and so
forth, and you never hear any ofthem talking about liberating
others from slavery or mentalslavery.
It's always just we are godsand we need to liberate
(08:16):
ourselves and just bask in theglory of our greatness once we
merge with the machine.
So such a different philosophy.
I'm even reminded of theEastern religions and Buddhism,
where, once you achieveenlightenment, you're supposed
to actually go back and, throughmany lifetimes, help enlighten
others, not just stay in Nirvanaand enjoy yourself.
(08:38):
So there is this kind of moralversus amoral of the two schools
of thought.
And you talked about thecreator versus the creator, less
the atheistic versus thebeliever as another way of
looking at these two currents.
So what are some of the otherattributes of these two currents
?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Sure yeah.
Well, one of them is the ideathat the universe is organized
in a fashion which is noble tothe mind of somebody who has
nurtured their poetic,aesthetical identity.
To render one's soul sensitiveto higher beauty, higher
sentiments, is an importantcomponent of the Platonic
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philosophy that takes note thatif we want to avoid the error of
projecting our own neuroticdisorders onto the creator, when
we conceptualize what theessence of the creator is, which
is what oligarchs will do,right, the idea of a tyrannical
God that wants obedience, kindof like a tyrant wants in a
fascist world system, that's amistake.
(09:41):
You want to first tap into yourlove the sense that there's a
connection between beauty, truthand goodness as different sides
of the same thing, which isnecessary as we cultivate our
powers of mind and emotions tofeel again universal sentiments.
Not sentiments like I like cake, that's very relative but
sentiments like I despiseinjustice.
I am angered when the good isunnecessarily subverted for evil
(10:06):
, when lies are believed in.
That feeling that I get now,that I had when I was, it's a
similar feeling that I had whenI was five, though every
particle in my body that makesup my bones, my skin, my flesh,
my blood is different.
That same essence of, likeMatthew at five years old, who
hated lies or and hatedinjustice or felt something.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
It's a similar feeling, though more matured,
based on my discoveries over theyears so Played over in his, in
his, to me so you're sayingthat the bad art movement, the
modern arts, which, which Couldbe just a dot on the wall and
we're all supposed to stare atit and we don't get it, so we
can't enjoy the art worldanymore like we could looking at
(10:46):
a Cezanne.
So this kind of modern artmovement of perverting art From
beauty to ugliness andcelebrating ugliness is part of
these two different schools ofthought.
Battling it out, oh big time?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Yeah, most certainly, most certainly.
And then that's why I even havechapter a chapter in the
appendices on the CIA's creationof modern art, abstract art,
atonalism of Scho Schoenberg andJackson Pollock, all these
things that are just paint,paint splatterings or, as you
pointed out, just like a dot andis.
If you could come up with abullshit, sorry, if you could
(11:25):
come up with some intellectualjustification for for that dot
representing something Seeminglydeep, then it could sell for
hundreds of millions of dollars,which is part of also money
laundering.
But it's also part of theinitiation of the elites, the
new, the nouveau rich, into theinner Clubs.
They have to buy, drop a fewhundred million or billion
(11:47):
dollars on this bad art that hasbeen popularized by the CIA as
part of the war against the soulof the people.
Because if you can't judge whatis beautiful, you, you, you no
longer lose.
You lose of an importantcapacity To judge a lie, an evil
, an ugly, idea or intention.
Because when you, when youjudge, well, what's the
difference between a BarackObama or a Martin Luther King jr
(12:10):
?
I, well, they use flowerylanguage, they use rhetoric
which appeals to emotions, butone actually has a beautiful,
discoverable intention shapingthe unfolding of the words,
whereas the other has only liesand fakery with a very evil
intention ultimately hidingbehind the words that a
(12:30):
sensualist would not be able todiscern.
So you've got to be able to havean aesthetically developed
sense of universal beauty andhow it is tied to reason.
It's not separate, and the CIAbroke that apart by saying no
reason in art is the tyranny ofreason that pollutes good art.
And if you want to be a goodartist, you have to be free to
be irrational, free to have acult of ugliness, to be ugly if
(12:53):
you want to, because being uglyis more authentic and more
honest, because ugliness is theworld and the world is made of
these ugly, polluting,hypocritical humans who lie to
themselves.
So a true artist must be anemotionally ugly expressionist
that will reflect the truth ofthe world and not be a hypocrite
trying to be beautiful whenwe're ugly.
(13:13):
So it's all this baggage camein with that that made us more
pliable.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I guess the two schools of thought at this point
could be good versus evil whenyou put it that way, because
when you think about Sovietarchitecture and the impact that
had on the way people thinkabout themselves and their peers
and society and I'm alsorelating to that Warren
Buffett's partner, charlieMunger, was willing to pay for a
(13:41):
hundred-some million dollardormitory as long as they
wouldn't put windows in it.
And there were differentarchitects who worked on the
project who ended up quittingbecause they just thought it was
so inhumane to put human beingsin that type of environment of
imprisoning them, even thoughpeople were supposedly getting a
free dorm room or theuniversity was getting a free
(14:02):
building.
It's like getting a free prison.
Is it something that you reallywant to give to people?
So that's what we're up against.
The richest, most powerfulpeople in the world want to put
us in buildings that don't havewindows.
This is disturbing, but it'simportant to understand.
We are going to take a quickbreak as soon as we get back.
Matt will explain more of thesetwo schools of thought in his
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We're talking to Matt Eric, the author of science on
shackled.
So, matt, there are thesedifferent figureheads in the
history of science, like Newton,you know they form the basis of
everything.
You know, Darwin, I mean.
We learned in school aboutthese important figures and in
the book you tear them apart.
(17:03):
So can you take us, after Platoand Aristotle, into the
cosmology?
What were the two differentschools of thoughts that you
identified related to ourcosmology?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Yeah, sure, well, I did.
I did indeed tear them apart,so to speak.
I think the two opposingcharacteristics of these two
schools of thought is that onepresumes a universe which is
ultimately animated by theabsence of life, or otherwise
known as death and decay, thatthe universe is a clock, almost
like a clockwork universe, whichhas a limited amount of energy
(17:37):
into making things move, andevery time something moves it
takes up energy which is thenpulled out from the system as a
whole as things are increasinglymoving towards a death state.
As known it's been retooled inour current standard theory,
cosmology, as the heat death ofthe universe at some point in
(17:58):
the future.
Now the other school presumesand this is a Platonic school,
the Pythagorean school that gaverise to the great creative
revolutions and discoveries thatalso had a political,
freedom-oriented expression toopresumes a principle of life
animating, not death, but lifeanimating the universe and
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creativity being something basedon the concept that God is not
only the creator of the universebut is not absent in any part
of the universe, that every partof the universe, however small
or large or whatever, is full ofthe principle of creation by
the creator himself as aconstant living God, not a dead
God or a tyrannical God thatcreated the universe but is
(18:41):
impotent to actually influencethe universe after it was
created perfect, because it'snot perfect, there is evil.
So, and that's the consequenceof human beings having the
ability to be wrong, to believein lies and act accordingly.
So the Newtonian world.
If you look at Newton, many ofthe God heads of science that
we've been fed that we have tosort of pay homage to
(19:03):
unquestionably Darwin, newton.
There's many others if youactually look at their writings
and look at the source of theirdiscoveries, because their
equations often will have afunctionality to them.
The inverse square law or theinfinitesimal calculus is useful
, but the source of it is neverthem.
There's always.
You will find, on digging, as Itried to get across in source
documentation, the.
(19:25):
What became known as gravityunder Newton was actually
discovered by Johannes Keplerover 80 years before Newton.
The infinitesimal calculusattributed to Newton was
actually made by people like theBromouli brothers and Godfrey
Leibniz, a follower of Kepler,and both all Platonists of the
Augustinian tradition, allfollowing a Pythagorean thinking
that the universe is organizedharmonically according to a
(19:46):
musical principle that alsomanifests visually in the
geometric domain.
That is tied to the fiveplatonic solids as well, which
create certain proportions thathave musical expression, and
that's how Kepler proved hisplanetary laws, as you could
find by reading his harmonies ofthe world, which I did with a
grouping of friends when I wasworking through the LaRouche
(20:07):
organization and SchillerInstitute many years ago.
That gave me that opportunityand then you could see, okay,
the people who we celebrate forhaving made these discoveries
and we rememberized theirformula, but we don't learn
about the essence of thediscovery is our frauds.
They're actually frauds.
Working with black magicalcircles within the Rose
accrucian networks of FrancisBacon, john John D, like Newton,
(20:31):
was a black magician.
He was an alchemist, anumerologist, and there's no
evidence of any actual sciencework in his surviving papers
other than alchemy and blackmagic and numerology trying to
calculate the end of the world.
That's all we have, whereas theother scientists, like Kepler
and Leibniz and Bernoulli youcould see their physical
experimentation they're nottrying to impose a mathematical
(20:51):
view onto the universe, butthey're.
They're trying to make theirmathematical limited language
adapt to the created discoveriesof the universe.
They're not.
And this is the differencebetween the transhumanists and
the eugenicists and theimperialists versus true
scientists.
They have the humility to knowthat we will always be.
We will never know everything.
(21:13):
We will never be gods.
We have to have that humility,such that we can then make
discoveries of God's creationand be more sensitive to how
little we actually know, but howgood we actually can be by
acting According to thosediscoveries.
That allows us new freedoms tofly.
When we discover laws ofaerodynamics, right.
When we discover the laws, themysterious laws of electricity
(21:34):
we have, we can all of a suddenuse electricity in a way that
allows us to overcome limits togrowth.
That allows us new abilities tosustain more people at a higher
quality of life, which theoligarchy despises the
Malthusians, the controllers ofDarwin like Thomas Huxley, the
extension of Darwin intoeugenics and social Darwinism
(21:54):
under Galton and Herbert Spencer, and their extension into the
transhumanists, led by peoplelike Thomas Huxley, julian
Huxley and Aldous Huxley.
They all deny, they hate, theydespise this fact that human
beings are a species, that of anopen system.
We can discover more ofourselves inwardly as we
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discover more outwardly, and youread the writings of people
like Max Planck, madame Curie,mendeliev, who made discoveries
where they were all using this,this Platonic, augustinian,
keplerian method, in oppositionto those who would wish to
undermine them, like theCopenhagen School of Quantum
Mechanics around Niels Bohr andOppenheimer and Heisenberg, who
(22:36):
are just a cultist.
They don't make discoveries,they make descriptive models
that can maybe find a limiteduse but otherwise create an
obsturantism that opens the doorto justifying why AI will
inevitably replace human beings,because we're that limited,
unless we fuse with machinery tobecome relevant again.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
So that's the short side of it, I'm noticing a theme
here of that people who havethat belief of no creator and
the scientists who are leadingthat side of that school of
thought are a cultist and blackmagicians and Satanists.
So this is disturbing to learnthat some of these people who
(23:18):
are put up there as heroes on apedestal for kids in elementary,
middle and high school werepart of this kind of dark school
.
So nowadays we've got theFauci's, we've got the Bill Nye,
the science guys and thesevarious science figureheads that
go around acting like expertsand acting like they are the
(23:38):
authorities.
Are there any?
Maybe you want to mention a fewmore in the modern schools of
science, maybe our modernquantum mechanics or cosmologies
that are string theory, some ofthese different things that
we're still talking about todayto try to figure things out?
Who are some of the kind of CIAfigureheads that are pushing a
(24:03):
narrative and who are somelegitimate scientists who are
really pushing us to understandthings to the next level and
discover new things?
Is there anyone in pop cultureor anyone in science that we
might have heard of that youmight want to point us in that
direction, of these two schoolsstill battling it out today?
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah, sure, well, I do go through some of these more
contemporary representatives ofeither school within the pages
of my book Science and Shackles.
So people can read about thoselike the recently deceased
scientist Robert Goussard, whodiscovered a completely novel
and wonderful approach to fusionenergy, which was unfortunately
(24:48):
undermined by the US Navy andUS Naval intelligence.
But there's people like MichaelClaridge, a lot of the figures
who are currently revolvingaround the Electric Universe
grouping.
There are I don't agree witheverybody, but there's a lot of
really potent science andengineers in that domain doing
great work, picking up the torchdespite the standard model.
(25:10):
Cosmologists and quantumtheorists who have really
dominated the institutions, andI don't think that most of them
are aware of the politicalfunding necessarily behind what
they're doing, but it's.
That's how cults work, youdon't?
Not every member knows thatthey're part of the cult.
So again, there's a lot that Igo through in the book that
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showcase the more recentrepresentatives of either school
.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Right.
And are there?
What would you say to a parentraising a child right now to get
them out of that publiceducation type of mindset of
obedience to authority ratherthan critical thinking, to that
platonic Socratic method ofdiscovering the truth and
(25:58):
building and creating andexperimenting?
Any anything to point at abouthow we've got the homeschooling
movement and so forth?
Go ahead, take it away.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Yeah, definitely focus on original texts, source
texts, to look for people whomade discoveries and then read
their writings.
Don't read about them fromother experts.
Read the writings.
I guarantee you they'reeminently readable generally and
they will tell you a lot moreabout how their minds worked
when they were making adiscovery.
Whether it was Kepler, whetherit was Leibniz, or whether it
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was Plato and his followers,like a xenophon and others from
the Platonic Academy, you canread their writings and then try
to replicate as much as you cando justice to understand,
relive the discovery process andin so doing, new faculties will
be presented to you that youwon't even imagine.
It's much better than justmemorizing the right answers,
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like we've often beenconditioned to in the current
education system to memorize butnot understand why a formula is
true.
So why is A squared plus Bsquared equals C squared?
What does that physically meanin the physical universe?
When you deal with squares andtriangles, what's being
expressed?
Why is it true?
How did Pythagoras think whenhe was making that discovery?
(27:15):
What about the doubling of asquare?
What actions physically must behappening that are not simply
mathematical to the doubling ofthe surface area of a square
that makes it double its surfacearea, instead of just saying
like one squared times twoequals two.
Do it geometrically, do it inthe real world that exists first
(27:36):
, and then you could startseeing that math is a useful but
limited shadow domain, a tool,but not something we should be
worshiping, whereas theoligarchy wants us to worship
the tool and identify it as ifit is governing Follow the rules
.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
We've got these laws and we just seem to memorize the
laws and follow the rule bookrather than continue to make
discoveries and see the patternsthat may exist.
Doing great work, Matt.
Where can people go to buy thebook?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
They can go to canadianpatriotorg or write me
at CanadianPatriot1776 attutanotacom, and we have free
copy, not free, sorry.
We have signed copies I couldsend your way.
Also, books on the clash of thetwo Americas and my wife's
books on the employer in whichthe Black Sun never set, also
available signed copies, or onAmazon, on our websites.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
You and your wife are such a power couple in our
movement.
You're doing really great workto deprogram us, to educate us,
break us down and build us up.
Matt, you're doing really greatresearch and I really admire
what you're doing and I think ifeveryone wants to dive in, just
go to canadianpatriotorg.
Thank you, matt, for coming onthe show and thank you all of
(28:50):
you for watching AMP News.
We are America's PatriotNetwork.
You can get my breaking newsupdates seanmorganreportcom and
get our latest shows on theampnewsus.
God bless all you Patriots.
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