Dr. Marguerite Rigoglioso: The Hidden Sexual Spirituality Of Mother Mary & Mary Magdalene | #158 - The Sex Reimagined Podcast

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Willo (01:12):
Willow
a path of deep training passedthrough mystery schools and held
by women known as priestesses.
Today, the word priestess isrising again.
But what does it really mean toembody this role and bring
sexual healing into the world?
Was Mary Magdalene herself oneof these great priestesses?

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In this episode, we're going toexplore the powerful resurgence
of divine feminine teachings andhow the sacred union of Mary
Magdalene and Jesus or Yeshuacan activate your own dormant
sexual power with ourincredible, amazing guest, Dr.
Marguerite Rigoglioso.
I am Dr.
Willow Brown and I'm here withLeah Piper.

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This is Sex Reimagined and we'reso grateful for all your likes,
shares, and subscribes.
Keep them coming.

L (02:05):
Leah
This is gonna be something thatreally kind of goes back into
some deep roots, so tune in,turn on, and fall in love with
Marguerite.

A (02:18):
Announcer
shame-free and pleasure forward.
Let's get into the show.

Leah (02:27):
Leah
Yeah.

Marguerite (02:31):
Marguerite
We're here finally.

Willow (02:33):
Willow
Tell us about your journey into,um, this work and, you know,
the, the deep teachings and thedeep trainings.
I mean, you've been studying fordecades now.
You've written books.
I read your book.
It was amazing.
And, um, I'm just so curious,like what, what early on got

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you, got you headed down thisroad?

Marguerite (02:58):
Marguerite
You know, um, well, if you'retalking about the road of
Magdalene and the sexual healingof humanity, uh, that's kind of
more recent.
But if you're talking for me,you know, like the last couple
of years since I've, I've taughta course on this, but, um,
connecting with the Magdalenehappened decades ago.

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Um, I'm trying to think, youknow, 35 years ago, something
like that.
Connecting with Magdalene,connecting with Mother Mary, and
then understanding what theywere about sexually.
Yes, that goes way back.
But it started for with me, for,with understanding about the

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nature of, um, you know, divinebirth, divine birth as like
actually a sexual act.

Willow (03:51):
Willow

Ma (03:51):
Marguerite
it, um, where it's, it has to dowith virginity and, and, and
lack of sexual feeling.
It was actually a profoundlysexual act to engage in
parthenogenesis the way MotherMary did, the way her mother
did, the way her Aunt Elizabethmother of John the Baptist did.

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And the way, you know, numerouswomen throughout time
priestesses have engaged.
So that's a whole topic in andof itself.
And then there's the topic of,you know, and I I, I've been at
that, like I said, for decades.

Leah (04:28):
Well, let's start there.
So,'cause I'm really curiousabout what led you to study
that?
How did you find theseunderstandings where these
teachings come from,

W (04:38):
Willow
basically, talking about likeimmaculate conception and
there's, there's sort of, a lotof people aren't familiar with
the fact that it wasn't justMother Mary who had that
experience, that there wereothers in the ene lineage, which
was a whole, um, spiritual, Idunno what to call it, a

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spiritual cult or sect.
Sect, I would say.
Yeah,

Marguerite (05:04):
Marguerite
yeah, Well, you know, um, divinebirth is what I call it.
'cause immaculate conception issort of a confusing church, uh,
a confusing church doctrine andblah, blah.
I won't even go there.
But what I call it is divinebirth.
And there were various ways inwhich it happened.
Some were partnered.

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Some were not partnered.
So the not partnered part wasParthenogenesis where the woman
had to be such an advanced adeptwith her sexual energy that she
was able to be yin and yangwithin herself and literally
conceive a very high levelbeing.
And the way I describe this asbeing sexual is her experience

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was ecstatic.
It was like becoming one withthe universe itself.
It was, it was like the universemaking love to itself would be
that kind of experience ofdivine conception.
Right?
So powerfully erotic.
And as I've investigated this,especially with Mother Mary, I

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realized, oh gosh, you know, shehad to draw on her Kundalini
heat.
She had to draw on her innerwomb fire.
She had to, you know, draw onthe, the powers of the universe
and in order to have thisconception happen at these
quantum physics levels, we mightcall it.

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Right.
And the way I can, I think somepeople might be able to
understand this, is if you'veever had an altered state
experience where you suddenlyfeel like you are one with the
universe or you suddenly feellike you're one, some people
have a, um, experiences of sexwith Gods or things like that.

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It is, it's profoundly erotic.
Right.
And, and I've had that kind ofexperience.
Like I really understood thathow the Delphi Oracle received
her oracles was to receive theenergetic phallus of Apollo.

Willow (07:06):
Willow

M (07:06):
Marguerite
You know, that's why they, thesewomen had to be celibates at the
time in terms of, they're not.
They're not cavorting with men,human men.
They had to belong to the Godfor that process, which, which
was a sexual experience thatwould then open up their Oracle
channel.

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Right?
So there are many ways in whichsexuality has been expressed and
used in the ancient and modernworlds that we don't think of
because it's been suppressed.
Um, we don't look at, we don'tlook at it.
We also don't look at, forexample, in the ancient
mysteries, why were the basketsthat these initiates of would

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carry?
Um, when they were going throughlike the Ellucian mysteries and
so forth, why were theyphalluses?
You know, why?
And there were, there wererepresentations of vaginas, like
pretty much life size, you know,what was that all about?
So I'm the one who's lifted thelid on when people experienced
the Ellucian mysteries inancient Greece, which was an

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experience to have oneness withthe goddess Demeter and, and the
goddess for Persephone um, itwas a, it was a sexual act that
was initiatory for them.
They, they would literally wouldhave to insert a dildo into
themselves while they're in thishigh altered state with the
medicine that they were drinkingin order to understand this

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sexual journey that they weregonna be on.
That was akin to Persephonebeing abducted, quote unquote
raped, quote unquote, into theunderworld.
Right.
So the, I'm just giving you alittle taster of all of these,
many ways that sexuality hasshown up in the ancient world,

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and, and we don't understandthat.
So, you know, going back toMother Mary, having a profound
cosmic orgasm when she isconceiving Jesus, that's what I
think happened.
And then there's a, a lineageof, of, of this Tantric
conception that goes from Parthneurogenesis what Mother Mary

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did, all the way up to thesacred marriage rights that the
kings and queens or kings andpriestesses would engage in, in
like, for example, ancientEgypt, where we have the stories
that, oh, the pharaohs were bornby the union of this priest king
and this priestess comingtogether.

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That was a high Tantricactivity.
It was a kind of a divine birthbecause of the energies they
were pulling in for thoseconceptions, but of course,
very, very sexual, right?
So there's, you know, there'ssex has been hidden by the
church, by academia, and alongcomes me and I'm like, wow, you

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know, not only is divine birth.
Virgin birth real.
But it is something that, um,had had a, a very deep sexual
component.
And then of course, if we lookat Magdalene and Jesus,
Magdalene and Yeshua, theirs wasdefinitely the lover type, the
sacred marriage type ofsexuality, and would've had to

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have been very high Tantra forwhat they, the, the types of
beings they wanted to bring in.

Willow (10:37):
So it's interesting, my mind kind of, I wanna, I wanna
get our listeners kind of on thesame page as us.
My mind goes to, you know, we'vetalked about like in Tantra,
there's, there's white Tantrawhere you're in practice, you're
in union, you're selfcultivating with, uh, nature or
with the universe or with, um,yourself.

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Yeah.
It's like, it's your owncultivation practice and solo
practice.
And so we talk about whiteTantra is really important to,
um, to bring.
A fuller cup to a red Tantricpractice, which is where you're
practicing with another.
So that's basically kind of whatyou're talking about.
And Yeah, and I think it's, um,it's so, uh, profound to, you

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know, to, to think about.
I mean, that's one of the thingswe're doing here on Sex
Reimagined, is reimagining whatis possible within sexuality and
the energetics of sexuality thatgo far beyond the physicality.
Um, I myself have had thoseexperiences where it's like, I
am just fucking the universe orbeing fucked by the universe and

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having like these incredibleorgasmic, expansive, rapturous
experiences haven't been ableto, conceive through those,
thank God, because I don't wantto conceive, but, what a higher
level of adeptness that, youknow, that those women were
practicing.

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And also they were in a timewhere it's like that's what they
were doing.
You know, they were livingtogether in sisterhood, in union
to really cultivate such deepprofound and ancient sexual
practices.
You know, we talk about in theTaoist, tradition, you know that
a lot of the, there's a practicecalled turning back the blood

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where you can actually stop yourmenstrual cycle and you stay
that age, whatever age you stopit at.
But you know, you gotta

Leah (12:35):
Leah
but

Marguerite (12:38):
Marguerite
I

Lea (12:39):
Leah

Marguerite (12:41):
Marguerite

Willow (12:41):
But you know, in order to be able to do that, you gotta
be living in the monastery, youknow, eating with all the other
women and just doing tons of

Leah (12:50):
Leah

Willow (12:52):
stress allowed, no sugar allowed, you know,

Marguerite (12:55):
makes so much sense to me that I'm, you're like
blowing doors wide open in mymind.
Like these were the original,um, holy orders for women,
right?
They were hardly repressive.
They were, in fact, very muchthe woman was controlling,
learning how to control herpowers, learning how to

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activate, you know, and then itdegenerated into lack of sexual
feeling, shutting off of thesexual feeling, virginity as an,
a asexual path, anti-sexualpath.
And we all have these past lifedisturbing memories of that,
right?
And then the church reallycapitalized on that because they

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need to shut down women's wombsso that we can't access that
power.
That's how these patriarchalforces that are governed by
negative interdimensionalbeings, if you will, um, you
know, control the planet.
They've shut down all the sexualcenters of women and men, but
especially women because womendo not need men in order to have

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their womb opened and be able todo these empowering things from
impregnation all the way tosending out lines of healing
through the universe, um, youknow, healing others, uh,
sending out forces of creativityand manifestation, right?

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So they have, they have wantedto shut that down.
And, and this is why also SriKlei, the late Hindu saint, was
gathering all these materials,these mantras and these yantras,
these drawings from the ancientpalm leaf manuscripts to say,
Hey, there's a whole ancientempowering practice that the
seven rishis, the rishis werekeeping undercover for all of

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us, um, that have to do with theholy womb chakra system of the
womb as its own chakra.
Right?
And so, a lot, you know, I'vebeen teaching this, I've been
using this, I healed myself.
I've numerous uterine thingswith this um, I've, I've seen it
with others.
Um, I mean, there's just somuch, so many angles we could
talk about here.

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I'm, I'm just trying to give outsome, you know, splats.

Leah (15:10):
Leah
ancient energetic technologythat us as modern people are
very ignorant, even exists.
People still have a hard timebelieving that energy even
exists, was kind of boggles mymind.
I'm like, we're we're just thesereally fast moving molecules
that are filled with energy.
We are energy, we'reelectromagnetic fields.
How can energy not affect us?

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But because we can't see it, wehave a hard time believing it.
Until you start to feel it, thenit becomes unquestionable.
What's coming to mind for me is,uh, Theresa Avila, St.
Teresa of Avila, who also hadher own spiritual experiences of

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feeling the seven internalcastles and feeling the serpent
rising very reminiscent ofKundalini awakening and the, the
association with Chakras isreally fascinating.
Here.
We have an ancient Catholicmystic who is having these
experiences of making love toJesus on an energetic level, and

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her priest as she believes, it'slike I'm something's wrong with
me.
And the per priest thinks it maybe the devil is telling her, you
just need to fast more.
You just need to fast more.
Well, what's fasting gonna do,but bring on more spiritual,
energetic

Margu (17:54):
Marguerite
That's right.

Leah (17:57):
Leah

Marguerite (17:58):
Well, I love, I love women.
These angles that you'regetting, I mean, you're, you're
coming in from variousperspectives and looking at
Theresa of Avila or the nunhoods or whatever.
I mean, this is amazing.
It feel like, I feel like it'sworlds coming together just in
this conversation, validatingone another and understanding on

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so many multidimensional levels,what you both have been talking
about for years.
And what I have, I mean, this isvery cool,

Leah (18:28):
Now I do have a question about, and I, for some reason,
my Midwest tongue has butchersthis every time Lium say the
temple

Margue (18:41):
Marguerite

Leah (18:44):
Leah
So we've been there.
I've been there.
Have you been there?

Marguerite (18:47):
Marguerite

Leah (18:48):
so my husband's obsessed with this.
Uh, we're Willow and I, uh, aretaking a group of women to
Greece.
We're taking

Margueri (18:55):
Marguerite

Leah (18:56):
um, to, uh, Santorini on a pilgrimage of the primordial
goddess.
And so we're really excited todo that.
I wish we had time to take themto the temple, but we don't.
but my husband and I will visitit again.
Well, we're extending our trip abit.
And so I'm curious how you feltwhen you visited this, this holy
site.

Marguerite (19:17):
Alright, well first of all, recommendation suggested
reading.
You might wanna get my bookcalled Virgin Mother Goddesses
of Antiquity,

Leah (19:26):
Leah

Marguerite (19:27):
and the whole second half is the chapter on Demeter
and Persephone.
The Thes Euphoria Mysteries.
The Ellucian Mysteries, and mywhole analysis of what went on
and how sexual that was,

Willow (19:38):
Willow
Cool.

Leah (19:40):
Leah

Ma (19:40):
Marguerite
they can't, it's so well arguedthat they can't shut it down,
but they just ignore it.
Because I'm telling, I'm sayingthat, well, the people use
dildos and

Leah (19:54):
I mean, they have those in museums.
It's, it's not like

Marguer (19:58):
Marguerite

Leah (19:58):
don't exist or that women are somehow un sexualized.
We still have this reallyarchaic belief that women's
sexuality is basically malesexuality only the light
version, which could not befurther from the truth.

Margu (20:10):
Marguerite
Especially'cause in thismystery, it was the opposite.
Male sexuality had to become thefemale sexuality.
In the, in the right, the menwould insert the phallus in
their anus.
And it was, um, so the, thenormative was the woman
receiving the phallus in thevagina.
So secondarily, the men wouldhave, because it was a whole

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women, women mystery, the motherdaughter, goddesses, Demeter and
Persephone.
It was there, it was the shaktauniverse that was being accessed
there.
So the men had to come in line.
And in fact, the, the Caesar,one of the Caesars had to take
on the feminine form of his nameafter he had this initiation be,
and the, the sacred priest, they infant, would have to be

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symbolically castrated bydrinking hemlock as part of this
ritual.
He had to become a woman.
So this was a whole woman, womanthing, right?
Finally, yeah.
You know, the, the, the femalesexuality was, was the baseline
for this experience.

Lea (21:14):
Leah
How'd you, is this somethingthat you've channeled?
Is this something that you'veresearched through academia?
What's been your

M (21:22):
Marguerite
I just researched it.
That El Mysteries piece.
I researched it, uh, I looked atall the pieces and even the
virgin birth stuff, I researchedit and I realized I put a, now
it initially came as a flash ofinsight.
Oh my God.
Virgin birth is real.
You know, one day I was in mybrother's apartment in 2001, I

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was like, boom.
I had read this book and I wasin this open state and I was
like, my god, virgin birth isreal.
And then I was looking at all ofthis information about ancient
priestesses of Egypt uh, ofGreece.
And I started finding boatloadsof information to support the
idea that virgin birth was real.
That it had been going on in theancient, ancient Greek time, the

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Egyptian time, you know, allover ancient Sumer, et cetera.
And, um, so it was like.
It was like the intuition wasthe spark that put hydrogen and
oxygen together and createdwater, for me.
The water was the truth ofvirgin birth and the whole

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analysis of the Priestess Hoods,right, or what was going on at
Lucius.
Right.
And, and it all started comingtogether.
It made total sense of disparatepieces of information that no
scholar had really been able tomake sense of.
And all of a sudden I come upwith this theory that is like
the complete theory ofeverything, and that even the

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Ellucian mysteries had a verystrong divine conception and
birth process associated withit.
That was part of the ritual aswell.
The high priestess would beperiodically conceiving a child,
which is, um, the, the DionIsis, the little, the little
Dion Isis that would come out ofthis, uh, this

Leah (23:10):
Leah

Margu (23:12):
Marguerite
was castrated through hemlock.
So he didn't have an erectionpresumably during this thing.
She's basically engaging inparth, neurogenetic, um, con

Leah (23:29):
Leah

Mar (23:32):
Marguerite
virgin, Virgin or maiden and gnito be born.
So parthenogenesis to be born ofa virgin or a maiden.
But really it was the title ofthese sacred priestesses who
were schooled in divineconception technologies
originally.

Leah (23:52):
Leah

Willow (23:53):
Willow

M (23:54):
Marguerite
in the Bible and so forth.

Leah (23:59):
So I wanna also, um, talk about what is virginity

Marguerite (24:05):
Marguerite

Leah (24:06):
we, you know, when we look at virginity means has not been
penetrated by a penis.
Men, boys can be virgins, girlscan be virgins.
Though many times women aregoing to be penetrated with
something other than a penisbefore they're penetrated by a
penis.
Um, also we can be penetrated bydildos.

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We can be penetrated by fingers.
What does that mean for ourvirginity?
Then we have themisunderstanding of what a hymen
is.
A hymen has no biologicalfunction.
It is not the meaning ofvirginity like we teach it.
Um, a hymen is actually one ofthese leftover pieces when
between, um, like we've gottissue that biologically makes

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no sense.
For instance, men havingnipples.
There is no biological functionfor male nipples.
They're, they don't nurse right?
By and large.
We do know

Willow (24:59):
Willow

Leah (25:00):
Leah
But it's very, very, very, veryteeny.
It's not a widespread biologicalthing and there's a lot of
things that have to do to makethat work.
A lot of biologicalcircumstances.
In any event, the hymen is thesame thing from my understanding
um, from the book, come As YouAre, the hymen is actually
something that was connected tothe male prostate, which has no

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function in a woman and a womanhaving a female prostate, which
actually comes before the maleprostate, which is what we now
consider the G-spot.
The hymen also can beperforated.
It can be partially there.
Women who are post menopause canstill have their hymen.
So the hymen as a symbol ofvirginity is a total construct.

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It it, it is meaningless.
Um, and so I'm curious, when youuse the word virgin, what
exactly are we referring to?
And is virginity even real, if Iimagine virginity to be real,
it's like this weird, a, a penishas to go into a vagina for the
first time, and we've got allsorts of people who are not
attracted to the opposite sex.

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So, or do they remain virginstheir whole life because they've
never been penetrated by apenis, so on and so forth.

Marguerite (26:10):
Marguerite
I mean, these are greatquestions, and in my very first
book, the Cult of Divine Birthin Ancient Greece, I talk
extensively about the meaning ofvirginity and the meaning of
that word parnoss, you know, andparth neurogenesis.
And, and what it means.
And what it comes down to isthat these parnoss refers to a

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woman who had chosen the pathof, um, inner Tantra.
Okay.
Now she would need to refrainfrom having sexual intercourse
with a man.
Um, as a part of that, becausethe insertion of the phallus

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would disrupt her whole siwhole, her whole sovereign
system for this particular typeof practice, right?
So these women would becelibates for various periods or
various periods of time.
And celibacy, virginity wasrenewable.

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And that's one thing we learnedof from the, the, the, uh,
goddesses, statues, like Herrawould have her virginity renewed
every year.
It literally, like in India,Nandu Menon would talk about Hi
in Kerala.
His aunties would restore awoman's virginity after rape.
Like there are energetictechniques to release all that

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energy and all also the holyroom chakra mantras that I talk
about, they release any previousenergy that you've had from
anyone, touch insertion,whatever it is, phs, whatever.
So, um,

L (27:51):
Leah

Marguerite (27:54):
Marguerite
Yep.
You can be ified, reified, and,and these women would sometimes
engage in high sex rights andthen they would restore return
to their virginity.
Okay.
And then they would res, youknow, do it again.
But they weren't like having sexall the time with male partners

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or, or things like that.
And there's a whole, I talkabout in the cult of divine
birth in ancient Greece andvirgin mother goddesses of
antiquity, that there werethese.
Sisterhoods, these priestesshoods that were lesbian in, in
sexual orientation, the onesthat were associated with
Artemis and the ones that wereassociated with Athena, and

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particularly Artemis, suggestingthat these girls would learn
sexual feeling, sexual energy ingroups with other girls as part
of

Leah (28:52):
the sexuality between the the priestesses

Mar (28:56):
Marguerite
So they learned sexual energy,but they connected it with
women, you know, so theyconnected it with women and, um,
it was a whole thing related to,to these goddesses that were
like, we don't want the phallusanywhere near us, because those

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are connected with the negativereptilian forces, and we don't
want that.

Leah (29:19):
Leah

Mar (29:21):
Marguerite

L (29:22):
Leah
service the priestesses and allthe pleasures that they could
have

M (29:28):
Marguerite

Leah (29:30):
different, maybe different periods of time,

Willow (29:32):
Well, but it does make, it does make sense that, you
know, women would learn abouttheir sexuality since it is such
a different style of sexualityfrom other women who, I mean,
that's kind of what we're doingat our Greece retreat.
We're not having like lesbianorgies, but we're like helping,

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you know, women who, who are notvery, um, far along their
sexual.

Leah (29:59):
Leah

W (30:00):
Willow
We're mixing those with peoplewho are really far along their
journey and have a very closerelationship with themselves
and, and the expo with theexpectation that like it's going
to infuse.
I mean, I just, a total sidenote, the other night I went to
a hand pan drumming party withlike 15 people and some are

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super fucking good.
Like they really know whatthey're doing.
They have$6,000 handpan and I'mlike a beginner, you know, but
like just being in the field anddrumming with all of those other
people, while it didn't soundgood for like the first half of
the time, you know, by the endthere was some synergy and I
started to like, just things

Leah (30:42):
Leah

Willow (30:44):
Willow

Leah (30:45):
knowledge being passed to your system.

Willow (30:47):
So I mean, we say it all the time, like if you want to
uplevel your system in some way,whether that's in sexuality or,
or financially or, or healthwise, in any way, put your body
next to somebody that you knowhas that, and it just transmits.

Leah (31:06):
Leah

Marguerite (31:07):
Marguerite
That is so amazing.
I feel like, wow, we just wentdown roads upon roads.
I don't, I don't know where webegan in the, in the
conversation, but um, that is sointeresting to me and I love how
you're going to be in Greeceworking with women in this way.
Oh my god.
You know, like, I wish that,that's amazing.

(31:28):
Um,

Willow (31:29):
Willow

Leah (31:30):
Leah
I think when women can turntowards their own bodies, and
especially into their own wombspace, to discover a felt sense
towards their own innerguidance, to their own wisdom
portal, because through thisshared womb experience as Volvo

(31:52):
owning bodies, we can tap intoan ancient.
Wisdom that we've got access toit's just most of our mothers
didn't know that and didn't knowhow to turn us towards that so
that we can startself-referencing instead of
other referencing to really findthe answers that are the most
authentic path forward as we areencountering obstacles in our

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life, hardship, um, pain,suffering, but also bliss and
joy, and learn how to amplifythat bliss and joy and run that
system through our bodies sothat we can then run that to all
sectors of our life.
I think we're all literallysitting on a well of power and a

(32:36):
spiritual insight that we justneed to learn how to tap into
and, and then we can

Willow (32:41):
Willow

Margu (32:43):
Marguerite

Willow (32:44):
Willow

Marguerite (32:45):
what you, what you women are saying.
I mean, what you're doing is soamazing.
I mean, this is definitely newcompared to what was going on 30
years ago.
I could tell you that much.
It makes sense is like thesenext steps and you're figuring
it out.
You've put it all together.
You've received your owninformation on this.
You're pulling from differentparts of the Akashic Records

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library.
It's just extraordinary.
I mean, we so need this.

Willow (33:12):
Willow

Leah (33:13):
Yeah, we do need a return to this ancient wisdom that
these mystery schools, uh, knewso much more about and had so
many more decades andgenerations practice.
Now, my understanding is also inthe Tantric, school, more in the
Indus Valley perhaps than in,than in Greece, is that it was

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also these priestesses thattaught men the sexual arts.
So the training actually passeddown from the priestesses to the
boys so that they couldunderstand the art of love,
because most people are gonna behouseholders, most people are
not gonna be serving in thetemples, they're going to be
having families.
And, and so how do you preparehow to have this high active

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love making, so that everydaypeople can also have an
experience of a rich spirituallife.
And so, you know, Tantra beingone of the only yogas that saw
sexual union as a permissiblepart of spiritual evolution.
And so I'm curious what you knowabout how the priestesses served

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the community.

Marguerite (34:21):
Marguerite
First of all, that's amazing.
I mean, what I personally knowis, is in recent decades, you
know, I, I knew at least one ormore African American women who
felt that they came frommatriarchal cultures and
heritages, um, in ChemED andother parts of Africa and so
forth.
And they would say to me, ohyeah, we, the older women

(34:45):
initiate the younger men intosex.
Because

Willow (34:48):
Willow

Ma (34:48):
Marguerite
So this is like a long timematriarchal practice in the
sense of matriarchy not beinglike an abusive female oriented
system, but rather a system ofbalance that has women at the
center.
Right.

Le (35:05):
Leah
operate sexually from thisfeminine perspective?
I mean, I'm certainly all aboutanal penetration for men and
their pleasure, but, um, interms of how is that balancing.
Versus complementing.

Marguerite (35:22):
Marguerite
Well, first of all, I mean, thisgoes into the whole discussion
of what is matriarchy, and I'vestudied this extensively.
Okay.
But, um, matriarchy is not thereverse of patriarchy as we know
it.
Patriarchy is an abusive systemgoverned by yang and oftentimes
male forces.
Um, who are out of control, outof balance in themselves,

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suppressing anything that isn'tmale and isn't, you know, of a
certain culture, whatever downthe line.
And then suppressing nativepeoples and animals and children
and all this and that.
Okay.
That's kind of how we've grownup with patriarchy.
But matriarchy as it as it isoriginally in, um, informed and,
and practiced, and there arestill matriarchies around the

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world, is a society of peace.
It's a society of balance.
It's a society of complimentaryroles.
You know, it's not like, oh, inmatriarchy all the women are
driving, you know, the tractorsand no, you know, like they're
doing their role.
The men are doing their role,but there's no problem there.

(36:28):
Okay.
Um, because everything is inbalance.
Everything is in harmony.
It's a whole different to socialstructure where the children are
raised in group fashion, youknow, all this.
So in certain matriarchies itwould be natural for, well,
sexuality is far more frank andthere may not even be anything

(36:51):
such as marriage or such ascertainly not nuclear family
marriage, monogamous marriage,you know?
Um, and so if right now we,because of how patriarchy has
distorted our sexuality so much,you really can need the
balancing of the female initiatto the young men to under, for

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them to understand.
'cause otherwise, where are theygonna learn it?
We know where they're learningit,

Will (37:20):
Willow
was pretty traditional for, forfathers to bring their young
boys to the, you know, to theprostitutes in order to learn
about sexuality.
And there, and there was like,there was sacred prostitution
and there was profaneprostitution.
There's, you know, all thesedifferent

Marguerite (37:42):
Marguerite
To get back to your, yourquestion, Leah, about the
priestessing.
Yes.
There is some evidence thatthere was sacred prostitution.
WW were sacred Tantra, you know,um, not prostitution.
I mean, there were, there werethese women and men actually in
the Hebrew temples, you can findthat in kings and, you know,

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various places in, in the, theHebrew Bible.
Okay?
There was sexual activity inthese temples, and then there
is, um, evidence that thatcertain priestesses of Aphrodite
might have been practicing thiskind of thing.
There is potential evidence thatthere were women in the Roman
times who would soothe thesoldiers who came back from war

(38:29):
in these ways.
Okay.
And whenever in, in the academicworld, you know, when I was in
academia and trying to, um,promote this idea, oh my God,
that the amount of hostilitythat that I'd be met with was,
was really quite something.
But, um, it really feels like,you know, these, these

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priestesses of Aphrodite inparticular were involved in this
kind of thing and, and hopefullythere's been updated scholarship
on this to really look at whatwas going on.
But yes,

Willow (39:02):
Willow
One of the,

Margueri (39:03):
Marguerite
Big deal.

W (39:06):
Willow
highlight, which is that, youknow, men would come back from
war and before they could gohome to their families and their
homes and their communities,they would go through the
temples and be cleansed by thesacred sexual rights.
Right.
They would be healed, they wouldbe cleansed, they would be

Le (39:29):
Leah
Yeah.
And return to their

Willow (39:32):
imagine if we did that to soldiers coming back these
days.
What a different

Marg (39:37):
Marguerite

Willow (39:38):
Willow

Margu (39:40):
Marguerite
And you know what?
And here's the thing.
Even if you can't make thehistorical case that that was
happening, it's such a wisegreat idea that it's something
we do need to do.
We know that it would createhealing.

Willo (39:58):
Willow
How much better do you feelafter you have an amazing
orgasm?
How much more open, how muchmore smiley, how much more
connected?
Like you've got oxytocin flowingthrough your body, all the,
cortisol is out and you're readyto receive the gifts of the
universe?
I think even in, um, inmarriage, like way back in

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ancient times, the, the, thewomen would go and they would
have to go through these sacredsexual rights to prepare their
bodies.
Like instead of going intomarriage as a virgin, you would
have to go have a sexual rightsexperience in order to prepare
your body for this sacred act ofmarriage and union, which I
think is fascinating.

Lea (40:39):
Leah
actually have orgasms when youget,

Willow (40:43):
Willow

M (40:44):
Marguerite
thing, you know, and all.
And also, I mean, well there'sjust been a lot of interference
with our orgasms on a lot oflevels by a lot of different
types of beings.
And one thing we haven'tactually even talked about yet
is what's in the gnosticgospels.
About the origin of, of sexualmisery with humanity at the

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inception of the splitting ofthe sexes, the splitting of the
original androgyn into Adam andEve.
Okay?
That was a nice little trick ofthese negative forces, so that
this idea of of eve coming outof Adam's rib was a garbled way
of describing that thesenegative forces had taken the

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whole human body and had splitit.
Okay?
That's in a number of differenttraditions into male and female
when we used to be one whole,okay?
So then that created a problem.
They split the sexes into maleand female, and then these
beings, these negative angelicforces raped both of them.

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Eve got raped, Adam got raped.
It started pity, and it startedrape on the human family that is
in the gnostic gospels.

Willow (42:00):
Willow

Marguerite (42:01):
Marguerite

Willow (42:01):
Willow

Marg (42:02):
Marguerite

Le (42:03):
Leah
gospels very often.
That's probably why.

Marguerite (42:07):
that, that's right.
You know, like it's all inthere.
It's all in there.
And I'm like, that's, you know,the course that I taught about
sa Sacred Sexual Healing, andthe, the gift that I have for
everybody here is teases allthat out so you can find out
what was said.
Where, how, oh my God.
You know why?
I mean, because this is even inthe Greek tradition that the

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sexes were split way back.

Wi (42:34):
Willow
into your free gift, um, earlierthis morning and I, I wanna kind
of talk a a little bit around,maybe kind of go down a
different road, slightly around,um, how the union of, of Mary
Magdalene and Yeshua, like,like, and their, their Tantric

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union and, and even the factthat they didn't get to be
together their whole life long.
Right?
They were often doing their ownpriestessing and priest work out
in the world, and then theywould come together and they
could do energetic love makingas well, so they didn't have to
be together in order to be inunion with one another.
And I personally have had somereally profound experiences like

(43:18):
in the carow keels of Ireland.
I was, I was out in the middleof, of nowhere.
Um.
Looking for these caves, thesespace, basically these ancient
burial tombs and, um, you know,got lost and couldn't find my
way and had no fucking cellphone and nobody knew where I
was.
Just me and the sheep out in themiddle of fucking nowhere, right
in

Marguerite (43:38):
a lot of them over there.

Willow (43:40):
Willow
And I, and I

Leah (43:42):
Leah

Willow (43:43):
Yeah, totally, totally.
And I was like, where are thesethings?
And I got off the trail and thenI couldn't, and I was like,
okay, spirit just guide me.
And spirit guided me a directionthat I didn't think was the
right direction, but I just keptgoing that way.
And I found this church and, um,I just stood there.
It was like a, a ruins of an oldchurch.
And so I just stood there for along time and just listened and,

(44:06):
and felt, and until the spiritwas like, go this way.
And so then I went this otherway and I, I was, and it was
getting dark and the rain wasstarting to come down and like I
was just, I should have figuredout where I was gonna, I was
gonna get back to the car, youknow?
And, um, and so finally I didfind the ancient burial ground.

(44:27):
And at that point it was peltingrain and, and it was getting
really windy and dark and, andit was cold.
Yes.

Marguerite (44:33):
Marguerite

Wil (44:34):
Willow

Leah (44:36):
that's gonna be my first question, and

Marguerite (44:37):
Marguerite
I know.
I'm vada and it's just like, ohmy God, this sounds like a

Willow (44:41):
Willow
Oh Yeah.
I'm always cold.
I'm freezing all the

Margu (44:45):
Marguerite

Wi (44:46):
Willow
feet, you

Marguerite (44:49):
Marguerite
Good for you.

Will (44:50):
Willow
I like, I finally found it and Iwas like, gosh, should I, should
I go in and you have to kind oflike, get on your butt and scoot
down and get dropped down intothis ancient tomb.
And so I did.
And, uh, and I, and at first,like my heart was pumping, it
was pitch black, couldn't see athing in there, my heart's

(45:11):
pumping and I just felt.
Fear, like so much fear.
And then I started to breathemore deeply and like calm myself
and just started to touch thewalls of this ancient tomb,
right, with like all this energyin it.
And you know, I'm such an energywhore, so I was just like
feeling it.
And then I started to sing andthe singing really calm my

(45:32):
nervous system.
And then I just sat down on theground for a long time and this
was probably like a two hourevent.
I sat down on the ground and Ijust.
Listened and felt.
And eventually, um, Inana cameto my back, who's always been
one of my goddesses.
You know, one of

Le (45:50):
Leah

Wil (45:51):
Willow
goddess was when I was a kid.
I don't know where she camefrom.
She's always been with me.
So she came to my back and shewas just like, I got you.
I'm holding your back a leaninto me.
And so I started to just likehave these cre waves of orgasmic
bliss and pleasure, whichbasically opened my legs, opened

(46:11):
my yoni, opened my womb, andthen I felt this like warm
penetrating ballas of energy upthrough Myoni and all the way up
through my whole Shana Nadi,which is the chakra line.
And, um, and, and I was like.
What is that?
And it was, and it was, and itjust, Yeshua was what came, you

(46:32):
know?
And so it was like I was in acosmic yab yum.
With Yeshua and Anana runningthe microcosmic orbit.
I mean, it was one of the mostprofound Tantric experiences of
my life.
And so I know the value of like,you know, being in union with
these, um, like primordialforces, but I want you to share

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with our audience what'spossible through your teachings
and what could open up

Leah (47:00):
Yeah, for like the modern day person, what's possible?

Marguerite (47:03):
Marguerite

Will (47:04):
Willow

Marguerite (47:06):
You know, neither am I really, apparently.

Leah (47:09):
Leah
You live in the modern age,which you know, by definition
makes you a modern person, evenif you are an old, ancient

Willow (47:17):
Willow

Margu (47:18):
Marguerite
I, I remember it all from thepast.
Um, well, unfortunately there'snothing in my classes that's
gonna give people that kind ofexperience.
However, um, it might be able

Willo (47:31):
Willow

Marguerite (47:34):
and, and for prepare people.
For that, because sometimes theknowing is like 50% of the way
to those orgasmic waves.
And then, you know, mantrapractices and that I off also
offer through the holy wombchakra teachings.
I, I really believe in it.
I mean, it will clear you out,you know, it will clear out
heartache, clear out all thatunwanted touch, you know,

(47:56):
everything.
So there, there are stages ofpreparation and, and I think
what I offer are more theinitial stages of preparation
and what you ladies clearly,amazingly are doing and
experiencing are the actual, um,you know, orgasmic, uh,
journeys, right?
That you're, that you're helpingpeople to go on, which is the

(48:17):
needed part of it.
We do need to actually thenphysically get into our yonis
and do it right.
So, um, you know, that's what Iwould say, but I, but I think
there is so much information weneed to have, and that's why I,
I have that gift, meet Magdaleneand Jesus as your sexual guides.
if, if people end up taking thesacred relationship in sexual

(48:39):
healing with Magdalene and Jesuscourse, there's also an amazing,
um, workshop that's part, it's abonus seminar called The
Travesty of Sexual Abuse andAbduction, and How to Clear It
from Your Field and the HumanMatrix.
Okay, so all of this, what I wastalking about earlier, so all of
this stuff goes together and Ijust love how, you know, there

(49:04):
are, there have been, and thereare especially women of younger
generations now taking thisstuff into the actual physical
practices.
No more just Yantra mantrapractices.
No more just thinking about it,but actually getting into our
wombs, doing these things,having the safe touch, you know?
So I really honor you for that.

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It's so, so needed.

Willow (49:28):
Willow
Well, I wanna honor you for likereally bringing this information
forth because I wouldn't havehad that experience if I hadn't
gotten, if I hadn't read booksand gotten that, you know, some,
some

Leah (49:40):
Leah

Willow (49:42):
all of that previous to that experience.
And so when I was reading yourbook that you sent me, um, the
one that was so deep on MotherMary, oh my.

Marguerit (49:52):
Marguerite

Wil (49:53):
Willow
Fuck.
I fell in love with Mother Maryall over again.
It was really powerful.
And for someone who grew up inthe Catholic religion, you know,
in the, in the Christian andCatholic church, like my dad is
a Mr.
Bible, you know, Mr.
Catholic man, and my wholefamily, my, my grandparents had

(50:13):
15 kids.
'cause they didn't believe inbirth

Marguerite (50:15):
Marguerite

Wi (50:16):
Willow
you know.
And so I, but the whole time Iwould sit in the church, I'd be
like, this is wrong.
Like this isn't right.
Like my cells could feel it, youknow?
And, and I've been able to godown the track like a spiritual
track and an opening and anawakening track to like, oh,

(50:37):
there was truth here, but it'sjust, it's this other, this is
what it feels like to me.
This is what feels like truth tome.
And so it feels like all, like Ican relate to my dad in this
really cool, unique, specialway.
I have to keep certain thingsunder wraps, you know, but like
we can still, um, bond overthat, like over Jesus, you

Margu (50:59):
Marguerite

Wil (50:59):
Willow

M (51:01):
Marguerite
I'm doing is really allowingpeople to reclaim the true EE
essence nature of MaryMagdalene, of Mother Mary, of
Yeshua, the, the stream, theeternal stream that's under all
those, you know, religiousformations that, that started
ensnaring us and everything.

(51:21):
You know, so if people can meetyou down there, then you know
you have something to talk aboutand Right.
People come in from alldifferent angles though.
Um,

Leah (51:33):
Yeah, I have, I have to, I have to say Willow, it's always
so sweet.
Like I feel the emotion in youlike rising and like the real
tenderness that this livesinside of you with like the
connection to your dad.
And I think that's just sobeautiful.
I just want, I'm just havingthis moment of just like being
utterly in love with you rightnow.
Feeling all the love that's likeswimming in your system, in

(51:53):
relationship to like your dadwho's like really the first guy
we ever get to fall in lovewith.
And you have such a specialconnection to yours.
And so I'm just like letting youknow, I'm feeling all your
feels.
It's like really yummy.
Uh,

Willo (52:07):
Willow

Marguerite (52:10):
Marguerite

Leah (52:11):
You wanna share about it?

Willow (52:12):
Willow
But I'm just gonna be weepy thewhole time.

Marguerite (52:15):
Uh, but see, this is part of the healing.
this is part.
of the healing of the feminineand the masculine.
So, you know, these

Willow (52:22):
was just doing my normal beach walk this morning with my
little dog river in Montecito.
I'm waking up in Montecito thesedays daring, and it's very posh
and lovely.
So anyway, there I was and I waslike, man, what is this fear?
You know, fear, where is, it'sin the pit of my stomach.
And I did a whole somatoemotional release on myself, and

(52:47):
underneath the fear was likethis longing, which was a
shadow.
The, the shadow of longing isnot having Right.
And it was like,

Marguerite (53:05):
Marguerite

W (53:06):
Willow
It was like the, the, the, thenot having of of partner of man
right In my life.
Yet.
And so

Marguerite (53:16):
Marguerite

Leah (53:16):
Leah

Willow (53:17):
and so, um, so I went to that longing, which like the,
the true longing is just aeros,it's drive, it's desire.
It keeps me going.
It keeps me reaching, you know,and exploring.
And, um, and so this, uh, thislonging, I started talking to it

(53:44):
and it was like, well, you haveeverything you long for already.

Marguerite (53:48):
Marguerite

Willow (53:49):
And, you know, and then my dad came in, which is like,
you know, I have like the bestdad in the world.

Marguerit (53:57):
Marguerite

Leah (53:58):
amazing men in your life.

Willow (54:00):
Yeah, amazing brothers, amazing dad.

Marguerit (54:04):
Marguerite

Wi (54:04):
Willow
days and we had just beentalking about like how, you
know, God loves his children.
Like, so he wants to give themeverything that, that they want,
you know, that they desire, thatthey have arrows for, so it's a
cycle.
Actually, the longing is, isjust, it's the, it's the, that

(54:29):
you have it already, so there'sactually no lack shadow to it
Anyway, I was just walking onthe beach crying and like this

Marguerite (54:40):
Marguerite

Willow (54:40):
Willow

Leah (54:41):
Leah

Willow (54:42):
Willow

Leah (54:43):
pleasure all wrapped up in one.

Marguerite (54:45):
Marguerite
You know, the gnostic, uh,sacrament, there was a gnostic
sacrament called the bridalchamber, where the woman, the
each person would have to comeand feel their wholeness.
They would, they would come tothat feeling of wholeness, so
that they were walking aroundfeeling whole, which is the
actual meaning of virginity.
It's feeling whole.

(55:06):
Being whole, being sovereign isbeing complete.
Right.
Not half, but being whole,getting the opposite.
That was split when Adam and Evewere split apart.
So it sounds like you're doingall this play and work for
yourself, and that thatfragrance wonderfulness of

(55:26):
partnership is just gonna cometo you at some point.
You know, if you've had it,you'll have it again.
Right.
You know?
And so just the, right nowyou're in the longing phase,
but, um, how wonderful thatyou're just sort of mining it
for all of its juice.

W (55:43):
Willow
I was like, okay, what I feel islike this big, vast round thing.
And I was like, oh, it's acauldron.
And it's this cauldron of sorrowof not having, of all the years
of longing, of being with thewrong partner, of the lineage of
that, of my, you know, women whocame before me, of all the women
of all the world.
I'm, you know, living in a, asituation with a couple women

(56:06):
right now.
And it's like the, the, the nothaving and the longing and all
the story around it or beingwith the wrong partner and all
the sorrow and I was just likepulling all this layers and
layers of sorrow out andunderneath all of that was like,
if you long for something, youactually have it

Le (56:25):
Leah
so ironic is, and just the artof longing, right?
Because there is the light sideof longing that has all that
aeros in it, and for thosepeople who are in relationships
who could use some longing tosex up the juice right in the
relationship and who manufacturelonging through sometimes

(56:46):
cheating and jealousy and someof this other stuff that leaks
out because what they reallywanna feel again, is the
yearning.

Willow (56:52):
Willow

Marguerite (56:53):
Marguerite

Leah (56:53):
Leah
And so how can we bring moreconsciousness to cultivating
longing?
'cause longing is also built onanticipation.
And sometimes the best part ofsex is the anticipation of sex.
I think a lot of, for vulvaowning bodies, it's like, oh
God, make me beg for it.
Like, get so close that I justwanna rip your head off if you

(57:14):
don't touch it.
You know?
But like, really expand that,that lengthen that out for me so
that I can crawl out of my skininstead of feeling like you're
coming at it so fast that Igotta back up and there's no
longing to sink into.
So isn't it so cool that longingmeans so much and it's sometimes
it's an obstacle that we have toovercome in order to fully

(57:36):
indulge.
And sometimes it's a thing thatwe have to cultivate in order to
expand.
And other times it's a thingthat we have to grieve and get
lost in.
It's just, it's so rich as a

Marguerite (57:47):
Marguerite

Leah (57:48):
Leah
You know, one of the things, ifI can just pivot just a little
bit, uh, as we wrap up today, isthe use of sacraments, right?
Because I think a lot of peopledo have these god transcendent
experiences and sex, and whenthey have them or if they've had
them, it's been under theinfluence oftentimes of a

(58:09):
psychedelic.
Um, I probably, my lastexperience of feeling this, if
we were gonna call it a, avirgin birth, happened to me
when I did Bufo.
And through the experience ofDMT, I went into that letting go
into that medicine with therealization that I was fucking
God.

(58:29):
And as I was coming out of myexperience fully and full
rapture with the divine.
And thankfully somebody videoedme, uh, in this experience, you
can see my body in the fullmovement of this crazy epic sex,
which then as my consciousawareness grew more lucid and
more lucid, then I was in thethroes of giving birth to God.

(58:51):
So I had this full

Marguerite (58:53):
There's Mother Mary.

L (58:54):
Leah
and then just weeping like sobsof the earth coming out of me at
the end of it, having found acertain kind of wholeness, uh,
in the letting go of somethingreally painful.
And I didn't have all the,didn't have the full narrative
of the story of whatever wasbeing shared.

(59:16):
I just trusted that whatever Iwas letting go of was of epic
proportions.

Marguerite (59:21):
it was, I mean, both of you, like all of us, you were
doing work for the collective,you know, for like timelines and
amazing, you know, and I, I kindof, that's what I was saying at
the very beginning.
It's kind of a good way toconclude, you know, that Mother
Mary had something of that.
You know, I, I've often thoughtof writing a blog or something
called Mother Mary's Orgasm, butI

Willow (59:43):
Willow
That sounds good.
Yeah.

Marguerite (59:46):
Marguerite
That's the way.
Um, yeah.
Uh, but because I, there had tobe such a cosmic explosion, um,
or implosion, really.
It

Leah (59:56):
Leah
Mother Mary.
Mother.
Mother Mary's orgasm.

M (01:00:02):
Marguerite
best.
You are the ladies to do itclearly.
Um, but yeah, you know, that.
And then how, how interesting

Le (01:00:15):
Leah

Marguerite (01:00:16):
well, you know, uh, I'm gonna sit around you two,
you know, like you were saying,be around people that are your
mentors.
Okay.
You guys, you ladies, you womenare my mentors.
Um.
But, um, but it's so interestingto me how like right as you were
having all of those waves, thenall of a sudden you were giving

(01:00:37):
birth to God.

Willow (01:00:38):
Willow

Parth Agenesis right there.

Willow (01:00:42):
Willow

Leah (01:00:43):
Leah
ding.

So we've come full circle in a topic that you
didn't know if it was off

Le (01:00:49):
Leah

it's just like, no, we can, Gar Roxy And I are like,
we can guarantee you it's gonnabe on topic.
There are so many topics.

Leah (01:00:59):
Leah
I love it.
So tell us, uh, please give usthe titles of your book so that
people can

Marguerite
So the most recent is as, as youwere mentioning, Willow, the
secret life of Mother Mary.
And that's, that's just

Willow (01:01:11):
Willow

taking the veils off of her understanding who she was
really and who she is now stillfor us.
Right.
Healer, mentor, spiritual guide.
Prior to that was the mysterytradition of miraculous
conception.
That's about what is this virginbirth business all about?
Who was doing it and how wasMother Mary involved in this?

(01:01:32):
Which was a huge tradition thathad been going on for thousands
of years.
Alright, and then prior to that,are the two academic books that
I mentioned, the Cult of DivineBirth and Ancient Greece, which
talks a lot about what isvirginity, who are these virgin
priestesses?
What were they doing in Greece?
I don't even talk about MotherMary there, who are the Vestal
virgins?

(01:01:52):
And then Virgin mother goddessesof antiquity, where half the
book is all about the Ellucianmysteries, that death rebirth
experience as a very sexual onethat also had a divine
conception process in it.
So those are the four books asof right now.
And

Willow (01:02:09):
they can all be found on your website or Yeah, on

Mar (01:02:12):
Marguerite
The last two are inaudible.
Yes.
The first two, no, they're,they're high, you know, more
academic, very readable andinteresting.
But the, the second two arevery, very readable.
Like they're very grounded, butpeople can read them like ch ch
ch and it's, it's opening updoorways for people.

Willow (01:02:34):
Willow

Le (01:02:34):
Leah
you can find on our website.
So, uh, if you're listening tothis episode right now, maybe
you're on Apple, maybe you're onSpotify, maybe you're listening
on YouTube, uh, just click onthe show notes.
We'll have a link directly soyou can get all these goodies
and including a link for thefree gift.

Wil (01:02:56):
Willow
This free gift is amazing.
Don't let it go.

Marguerite
That

Leah (01:03:01):
Leah
this is your moment right now,look at your phone and click
subscribe.
Click like, and give us acomment.
What did you get out of thisprogram today?
What are you excited about?
What is this making you thinkof?
How is your upbringing differentthan all the information we
just, uh, laid down for youtoday?

(01:03:22):
Because it is, if it's likeours, it's a real, we didn't
grow up with any of this stuff,so it's kind of, it's
interesting, right?
So share with us what you knowabout some of these mystical
sexual realms and, uh, let'skeep the conversation going.
Now, remember, the show is notover.
Stay tuned because Dr.
Willow and I are gonna do thedish and we're gonna dish it up

(01:03:43):
folks, thank you so much,Margurite, for being our guest

Ma (01:03:46):
Marguerite
I mean, we had so many obstaclesto this happening because of the
intensity.
They're like, no, we don't wantthat information out.
And now it's like, oh my God.
Connecting up religion andsexuality.
I don't know.
here we are.
are.
what, it's where we're going.

Willow (01:04:04):
Willow
Thank

And blessings you on your amazing work.
Wow.

Le (01:04:11):
Leah

Marguerite

Leah (01:04:14):
Leah

Marguerite

Ann (01:04:16):
Announcer

Willo (01:04:20):
Willow
So Marguerite Rigoglioso Yso.
It's a very Italian name.
Yeah.
And I loved it.
Rigoglioso.
I,

Leah (01:04:30):
Leah

W (01:04:30):
Willow
Italian

Leah (01:04:35):
Leah

Willow (01:04:35):
Willow

Leah (01:04:37):
Leah

Willow (01:04:39):
Um, yeah, I mean, what a fun conversation for me.
You know, I'm such a geek aboutall this stuff.
I've been following the, theRose codes and the Magdalene
lineage for, for decades itfeels like.
And, um, and have read so manybooks that have really lit up my
relationship to Tantra throughthe.

Leah (01:04:59):
Leah

Will (01:05:00):
Willow
And I think also, you know,being raised Catholic and, and
then making sense of, and justbeing like, oh, they're just
like, a lot of ahas and a lot ofmoments of like, oh yeah, okay,
there's the truth.
I mean, you can feel it whensomething is true in your body.
You feel it and you just knowthat's, that's

Leah (01:05:18):
Leah

Willow (01:05:19):
Willow

Leah (01:05:20):
Leah

Willow (01:05:21):
a matter of perspective.
I know you should, I wanna readthe Ellucian one.

Leah (01:05:26):
Leah

Wi (01:05:27):
Willow

Leah (01:05:29):
Leah
Well, you know what?
We have time between on the 16thwhen we get home'cause we fly
really early to Athens.
So we could, we do have time.
To go to the temple.
And I was thinking of thatbecause I think Usia,

Willow (01:05:44):
Willow

L (01:05:45):
Leah

Willow (01:05:46):
Willow

Leah (01:05:47):
Leah
And then Matt gets to shine

Willow (01:05:49):
Willow

Lea (01:05:49):
Leah
And there's a beautiful caferight next door

Willow (01:05:52):
Willow
Let's do it.

Leah (01:05:53):
Leah
Or we can maybe take the train

Wi (01:05:56):
Willow

Leah (01:05:57):
Leah
Yeah.
So, um, you know, I really like.
I was so much easier for me tobelieve all of this at a younger
time in my life.
And then I would say I gotreally skeptical of everything.
I don't know, maybe.
I keep on saying five years, butit was probably eight years ago
where I really started toquestion all of this.

(01:06:17):
Um, you know, especially whenpeople with channeled shit and
I'm like, okay, yeah, whateveryou plugging into the universe,
you go ahead and believe you'rechanneling.
Um,

Wil (01:06:27):
Willow

Leah (01:06:30):
I mean, there is that, but I would never call it that.
Like, oh, I channeled this greatpiece of thing.
You know, like, I don't know, Iget a little judgey, you know?
Um, I have to admit, and I, andI, that's really not a fun part.
It's not, that's not ajoy-filled attitude to have, is
to, is to become a skeptic andto, you know, kind of give my,

(01:06:50):
squeeze my eye a little bittowards someone and going, ah, I
don't know that I am, I'mpicking up what you're putting
down.
Um.
So what I, but, so I kind offelt that in the beginning, but
then towards the end I'm feelinglike filled with joy and filled
with curiosity.
And now I wanna read all thebooks and, and so I'm having
like a different experience,which I'm like, well, I'd much
rather prefer the magic ofwhat's awaiting when we pull the

(01:07:14):
veil behind something.
And the truth of the matter is,who cares if it's factually true
or not?
What does it make?
What does it spark and openinside of you?
That should be the testimony.
Of, you know,'cause I wanna livea joy-filled life.
So if this opens doors tojoy-filled ness,

Willow (01:07:31):
Willow

Le (01:07:32):
Leah
You know?

Willow (01:07:34):
Willow
Yeah.
Well, one of the things that Ireally love about her books is
they are based in tons ofresearch.
Like she's a full fuckingscholar.
I've read all the channeledbooks and I've read a bunch of
the scholarly books, MeganWesson's books, and um, you
know, I love them all.
They all bring really important,there, there was a whole, um.

(01:07:56):
Uh, scripture.
Mary Magdalene's had had her ownpart of the Bible that actually
was taken out, and there is areally cool book Mary Magdalene
revealed.
I forget the name of the author.
I don't know if it's MeganWaterson, maybe a different one.
But anyway, she, um.
She found little segments,little pieces of the scripture,

(01:08:17):
and then just like, you know,gave her synopsis based on her
long study of all of the,whatever, all of the study.
And so Marguerite's just, she'sa deep scholar and she, it's not
just, you know, her stuff isn't,her books are not channeled

Leah (01:08:34):
Leah
Right.
Yeah.
Let's be clear.
Um, she, she was,'cause when Iwas asking her like, yeah, so
how'd you learn all this stuffanyways?
You know?
Uh, yeah.
So, uh, real legitimate personhere.
Um, I do have to bring up thepatriarchy.

Willow (01:08:50):
Willow

Lea (01:08:51):
Leah
Um, and I know this is sort ofrooted in feminism.
And I was once a feminist.
I no longer identify as afeminist.
Uh, and I'll tell you it'sbecause I don't like the
separation that theseparateness, that is a part of
the conversation when wevillainize the patriarchy.

(01:09:13):
Um, do I think that there areparts of the patriarchy that are
filled with suppression andtoxicity?
Totally.
But never is it a part of theconversation, the noble part of
the patriarchy.
There are part the healthypatriarchy, and I don't.
So that kind of, that's justlike, that's just something that
kind of rubs me wrong because Ithink we, many of us have a

(01:09:37):
patriarchal figure in our familyand they've earned that title in
my opinion.
Like they are beautiful, good,wonderful men who are, you know,
at the pinnacle of the familywho we get to look up.
To, and, and have respect forMatt's dad comes to mind when I
think about the patriarch of thefamily, that doesn't mean
there's not a matriarch of thefamily too, who we also all look

(01:09:58):
up to who holds the family.
And so to me, I, I think it'snot either or and so many
conversations where thepatriarchy gets brought up.
Um, there's never a balance.
There's only this villainizationof the patriarchy, and I think
we do culture a disservice whenwe continue to pick sides, and

(01:10:23):
it becomes this way that webecome separate and I'm more
interested in us finding ways tobecome non separate.
So how can we take thepatriarchy and make it more
noble versus keep a thisstoryline of its villainous, you
know, attributes, like if we'regonna transform the patriarchy,
I don't think it's about doingaway with it.

(01:10:44):
I believe it's about changingthe narrative so that we can
rise towards something that'sactually really beautiful, that
compliments what also existwithin the matriarchy.
This either or thing just getsunder my fucking nerves because
then we take the matriarchy.
It's like they're always womenwho like are down with the
patriarchy and then they're likeall about the matriarchy, as if
there's not toxic shit.

(01:11:04):
That's gotta be in connectionwith the matriarchy too.
So I don't know.
I just have to fucking say thatthere.
I'm done.

Willow (01:11:12):
Willow
Rant over.
Um, good rant.
Good rant.
I mean, I agree with a lot ofwhat you're saying.
I think there's a lot of valuein, in, in patriarchy.
I think, you know, if you readRhianne ICER's book, the, the
Chalice and the Blade, that bookreally talks about like the
transition from, from matriarchyto patriarchy as a societal
whole.

(01:11:33):
And, um, and, and, you know.
The, the oppression of of thefeminine model.
I think that is where thenegativity around

Lea (01:11:46):
Leah
repressed

Willow (01:11:49):
Willow
All of

L (01:11:50):
Leah
possibly offer somebody.
Yeah,

Willow (01:11:55):
But Yang is definitely not more valuable than yin.
And Yin is not more, we need

Leah (01:11:59):
Leah

Willow (01:12:01):
Willow

Leah (01:12:02):
a lot of people talk about the yang, they also are talking
it from a negative perspective.
Instead of seeing it, it's justlike this incredible force in
the universe.
It's just an energetic, um,difference from yin.
You know, it's not one is betterthan the other.
It's just that if we're onlyliving in the yang, then we're
missing out on the beauty of theyin.

Willow (01:12:22):
Exactly, and I think a lot of the work that we're
doing, you and I personally,Leah, with, you know, clients
and groups and individuals islike teaching the feminine how
to support and augment anduplift the masculine in a way
where they can, they are comingthrough with so much love and

(01:12:44):
light rather than I've gotta geton top in order to be the winner
and the success I have tooppress.
And you know, and I think that,you know, inside of sexuality is
one of the root places that weget to do this as women, which
is like helping, helping,understanding and knowing your
own system and your own body tosuch a degree that you can help

(01:13:07):
any man that you're with in thatintimate arena be a total
success.

Leah (01:13:13):
Yeah, and I think, I think what it calls us to do is
instead of competition, thelight side of competition is
collaboration.
And so if we can take how we arecompetitive, someone has to win
and instead transmute that tohow can we win together?
Everyone wins, then we become acollaboration.
It's kind of what, when we arelooking at our own inner yin and

(01:13:34):
yang, our own inner masculineand feminine, it's about being
an integrated, having anintegration between yin and yang
inside of ourselves, which is acollaboration, you know?
And I think sometimes evenwithin our own beings, we are
warring between yin and yang inour own bodies, you know?
And it's like there.

Willow (01:13:50):
Willow
Yeah.

L (01:13:51):
Leah
like I'm in this, like mymasculine's always taking over.
It's like it's not about goingto war and forcing your feminine
to come through.
It's about finding acollaboration and asking your
masculine to facilitate your yyour feminine.
Having more space

Wi (01:14:08):
Willow
Exactly.
Yeah.

Leah (01:14:11):
Leah

Willow (01:14:12):
Willow

Leah (01:14:13):
Leah
Okay.
This is a long episode.

Willow (01:14:16):
Willow
All right, y'all sending youmuch love, chow.

Announcer (01:14:22):
Thanks for tuning in.
This episode was hosted byTantric Sex Master Coach and
positive psychology facilitator,Leah Piper, as well as by
Chinese and Functional Medicinedoctor and Taoist Taxology
teacher, Dr.
Willow Brown.
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