William Moore: Big D*Ck Energy - How Penis Size Actually Changes Your Entire Life | #165 - The Sex Reimagined Podcast

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Willow (00:06):
What if the size of your confidence had nothing to do
with the size of your ego andeverything to do with
empowerment?
Today we're diving into aconversation most people still
shy away from, but our guest isleading the charge in changing
that.
William Moore is the founder ofPhalloFILL, the number one
non-surgical penile growthenhancement procedure in North

(00:29):
America with over 20 years inmen's aesthetics and wellness.
He's worked with top urologists,trained medical professionals
across the country and helpthousands of men reclaim not
just size, but confidence,connection, and control.
So we are so thrilled to haveWilliam Moore with us today,
welcome to the Sex ReimaginePodcast.

(00:49):
Thank you so much for all youramazing likes, shares, and
subscribes.
Please keep them coming.
You're here with your hosts, Dr.
Willow Brown.
That's me and Leah Piper.

Leah (01:01):
Hey there, friends.
This is such an important topic.
It's something that comes up inmy private sessions with men
time and time and time again,the insecurity of, am I big
enough?
So, tune in, turn on.
This is an important one.
Let's fall in love together withMr.
William Moore.

Announcer (01:21):
Welcome to the Sex Reimagined Podcast, where sex is
shame-free and pleasure forward.
Let's get into the show.

William (01:30):
Hello.
Hello.
Thank you for having me here.

Willow (01:32):
We're so thrilled.
Yes.
So tell us how you got startedon this journey.
I mean, what made you become thenumber one penile enhancement

William (01:42):
Well, you know, if we go far back to like the year of
2009, 2010, I was seeking men'senhancement procedures for
myself, this was before I wasinvolved in them at work at all.
I, I own med spas and I was veryfamiliar with body contouring
with CoolSculpting and, um, I, Itaught that for Allergan for a

(02:04):
while and I did facialinjections or neurotoxins and
germal fillers and laserresurfacing and all, all kinds
of laser procedures, but I as aman had some insecurities about
the size of myself, and it was,um, related directly to a
comment that someone made onetime out of anger.
And sometimes those commentshappen.
They happen fairly oftenactually, and they can stick

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with you.
That could be one reason thatsomebody may want to change
their bodies, but are therecould be other reasons, but that
was the reason that I began tolook for this for myself.
And back in 2009, 2010, thereweren't great options.
And um, I actually did have afat, fat grafting procedure that
was unsuccessful.
I had the suspensory ligamentdissection, which was
unsuccessful.

(02:46):
Um,

Willow (02:47):
Tell, tell us, tell our audience what that is.

William (02:50):
So the, the sense suspensory ligament dissection
is there's a ligament that holdsthe penis in and attached to the
body.
And when a man has an erection,it's what makes it stand up
straight and makes it, um, notflop around.
And the idea is, is that you candissect or cut that suspensory
ligament and it allows the penisto hang out of the body.

(03:10):
So it actually is only longerflaccid.
It doesn't really make yourerection any longer when it's
erect, so all you do is you loseyour ability to sort of control
it.
Mine grew back.
It didn't, it didn't staydissected.
And so, um, so that's the reasonI say that it was an
unsuccessful procedure and I, Ifollowed the, the post-care
instructions.
You're supposed to wear thisstretcher for six months that

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stretches the ligaments so thatthey can't touch and they can't
regrow.
But

Leah (03:36):
Hmm.

William (03:36):
had a minor of their own and, and the mine suspension
ligament regrew, um, as well.
So I did, I did a couple thingsfor myself that I, that were
unsuccessful.
And I was injecting the P shot.
I was actually the very firstperson, Dr.
Charles Ronalds.
He's the one who owns andcreated the P Shot, and I think
probably everyone has heard ofthat.
I was doing a training forVampire

Leah (03:58):
actually, may I interrupt you for just a minute, because I
don't know that everyone knowswhat the P shot is,

William (04:04):
Okay.
Well let's talk

Leah (04:04):
sure our audience who may be hearing about it for the
first time.

William (04:08):
So the P shot was originally called the Prius shot
after the Greek God.
And um, and so it was shortenedto the P shot.
But basically we draw your bloodfrom your arm and we process it
down in a centrifuge, and wecollect what's called platelet
rich plasma, which is the, thegrowth factors that allow your
body to heal whenever you havean injury.

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So if you scuff your knee andyou sometimes see that, so that
yellowy, um, haze that the, thefilm that builds on top of that,
that's actually your body issending platelets to repair that
injury.
It's not, it's not an infection.
There's a lot of times peoplethink, oh, it's getting
infected.
That's actually your plateletpoor plasma that has platelet
rich plasma inside.

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And basically it creates acascade of healing effects and
it, it grows new tissue and Thatis what allows your body to heal
is these, these platelet richplasma, platelet rich plasma and
platelet poor plasma that is ontop of your injury.
So we draw the blood, we, weprocessed out the platelet rich
plasma from the blood.
We draw that off at the top ofthe test tube after the process,

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after the processing has beendone, and then we inject it into
the RA of the penis and into theglands of the penis.
And the idea in the beginningwas that it was going to give
size that those platelets weregonna make your penis grow.
In actuality, that neverhappened, but what did happen
was it did make the penisperform better and gave it
better sensitivity.

(05:32):
So if someone was aging becauseof some plaque or type two
diabetes and or they were justolder and they had had low
testosterone and they had lostsome sensitivity, there's a lot
of things that can be repaired,corrected, rejuvenated, if you
will, using platelet richplasma.
We also use it in the face,you've heard it called the
vampire facelift, um, in theface, and you may have heard it,

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called the OShot for orgasm shotfor women.
And so it's all the samepreparation of blood that's,
that's processed out in theplatelet rich plasma is is
extracted and then it's put backinto the body in different
places.
So I was doing the P shot.

Willow (06:07):
With the OShot, is that, that's going into the clitoral,
um, body.
Like the legs and the shaft inthe head?

William (06:14):
It is.

Willow (06:15):
Yeah.

Leah (06:16):
Is it also going to the vestibular bulbs or just the
shaft, the head and the legs?
Do you know exactly wherethey're of

William (06:21):
And in the, in the female you're talking about, um,
I mean, I just know that it's,it's injected directly into the
clitoris.

Leah (06:28):
Okay.

Willow (06:28):
the,

William (06:29):
uh, yeah, Beth, it's, it's all put there.
And so it, it moves.
It, it does, it does, um,travel.
It doesn't just stay exactlywhere

Willow (06:36):
So now, so now you were the first one to receive the P
shot?

William (06:39):
Not to receive it.
I was the first person that Dr.
Charles Reynolds showed the PShot two when he first developed
it.
So he had, he also developed theVampire Facelift.
He owns the trade name to thatas well.
So I was there training forVampire Facelift and he said,
oh, I know that you have a lotof male clientele.
We were doing a lot of laserhair removal at the time.
I was doing a lot oftestosterone replacement

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therapy.
We were on the forefront ofthat, back in 2010 when the, we
knew that it was helpful, butdoctors were too afraid to
prescribe it.
Um, their general practitionerswere very afraid for years that
it might cause side effects.
And so we were, we were offeringthat per, uh, the testosterone
replacement therapy.
And so Dr.
Reynolds said, I know that youhave a lot of male clientele.
Let me, let me train you.

(07:21):
Procedure that's gonna be calledthe Priapus shot at the time.
It got shortened to P shot lateron.
And, um, we did them together,um, for about a year, a year and
a half, and sort of comparedwhat results we were getting and
he was seeing a lot more, um, aclaims of having girth
enhancement from it.
I'd never saw that and so I hadto pull back personally from

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making the claims that we weregonna get growth or size changes
because I never saw that happen.
I only saw the sexualperformance side of it.

Willow (07:51):
Now when you say you guys tried it together at the
same time on, are you saying onyour clientele or, oh, okay.
Yeah.

William (07:58):
Yeah, so we would talk about it and tell clients that
we had this, and this is howplatelet rich plasma works.
It's safe, it comes from yourown body.
There's nothing that can happento you, like, there's not really
any possible complications thatyou can really get from, unless
you just totally inject someonewithout cleaning them and
prepping them and use dirtyneedles or something like that.
The procedure is clean and, and,and people don't get

(08:20):
complications from it.
So I did quite a bit of that andgot very familiar with working
on the penis, doing injectionsbecause of that.
And when we announced it, we hada tremendous flood of inquiries
of people that wanted to knowabout the girth enhancement
portion of it.
Unfortunately, as I just statedbefore, that did not work out to

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be successful for us, so I hadto pull back.
But it gave me an idea of whatwas out there as far as men that
actually wanted to do somethingto change the size of their
penis'cause we'd never talkedabout it before.
There had never been somethingwe really had to like, Hey, we
had announced there was a hugedesire for it.

Leah (08:58):
Can I ask a question about that?
Is, uh, have you been able totell, is there any research or
even, um, anecdotal evidencefrom your experience that showed
that men who have a hard timereaching climax, can the P shot
help them when they'restruggling to have an orgasm
actually reach their orgasmsmore easily because of the

(09:19):
increased of sensitivity.

William (09:22):
I think that it's fair to say if when they were
younger, if they didn't have anytrouble reaching orgasm and as
they got older because ofhormonal changes in, in laws of
sensitivity and possibly someneuropathy from different types
of, uh, of diabetes and soforth, the different types of
neuropathy.
I think that there's a very goodchance that it could help those

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people, but if they just alwaysstruggled because of, you know,
a mental condition, like I've,I've met people that just could
not climax when someone else wasin the room.
You know, there's all kinds ofother reasons.
Yeah.
If it's something in mental, Ithink it's, yeah.
Probably not gonna, not gonnaovercome that.
But if it was, if they were ableto have a successful, successful
orgasm when they were younger, Ithink that we can make it better

(10:04):
now with, with that.
But I've switched to not usingplatelet rich plasma anymore
since we're just gonna talkabout

Leah (10:10):
Yeah.
Yeah.

William (10:11):
Um, now there's another product that's called exosomes
that they're also being used inthe face.
It's being used to, for hairrestoration, for hair loss.
Um, they're, it is been injectedinto joints for people who have
orthopedic issues, and we'venow, in my clinic, we've
replaced platelet rich plasmawith using exosomes.
Exosomes are the vesicles thatcome off of a stem cell.

(10:34):
And these particular stem cellsthat we use come from newborn
babies, umbilical cords, wherethe mother and the baby were
pre-screened and they knew thatthey were gonna be donating
their umbilical cord after they,um, delivered the, the delivery.
Um, it hap occurs, the, theumbilical cord is immediately
taken to a tissue bank whereit's preserved.
They separate out the stemcells.

(10:55):
In vitro or in test tube, theyare able to use a filter and
capture exosomes that arereleased from these stem cells
in real life.
Whenever a stem cell is workingin the body, it releases
exosomes and exosomes,essentially, in a very simple
way, carry the blueprint and thegrowth factors that tell a cell

(11:18):
how to regenerate.
So the stem cell doesn't have tobe present for all type of
regeneration from a stem cell.
The, the exosomes, which is thevesicle that comes off of those
stem cells, can actually do alot of that work alone.
And so we can get exosomes for avery good price compared to how
much stem cells cost.
And another nice thing about anexosome versus a stem cell is

(11:41):
that an exosome is not a fullcell and it doesn't have any
DNA.
And so a lot of times it can be,people can reject, you know, not
get the great benefits from stemcells in every case because of
the DNA.
Yeah, exactly.
And so there's nothing in this.

Willow (11:58):
not a match or whatever

Leah (11:59):
we've, we've interviewed a number of doctors who offer stem
cell, um, treatments to dealwith erectile dysfunction in
particular, and they are.

William (12:10):
This.

Willow (12:10):
Mm-hmm.

Leah (12:11):
Very similar, but they're drawing stem cells from the
patient's own body themselves,you know, versus this using the
umbilical cord.
So is one more efficacious thanthe other?
And it sounds like it is becauseof the DNA structure of one's
personal stem cells.

William (12:29):
Whenever you're looking at data, you can probably find
just as many studies that saythat stem cells are are more
active and, and do more resultsthan an exosome.
And you can find just as manythat probably say that exosomes
do more than stem cells.
I mean, it is just, it's justhow, unfortunately that's how it
is and we have to filter throughand sort of decide
practitioners, ourself what wethink is best.

(12:50):
Personally, I believe that anexosome that comes off of a
newborn stem cell that was justdeveloping lungs and a heart,
and a brain, um, are better thanthe stem cells that may come out
of a 45, 55, 60-year-old manthat's coming in for

Leah (13:07):
Stands to reason.

William (13:08):
So we, we believe that the younger vesicles off of a,
of a brand new stem cell that'snever been manipulated is, is
more beneficial than, thangetting your own stem cells.

Willow (13:20):
And so what kind of results are you seeing then with
the exosomes?
Did you ever do stem cells?

William (13:27):
Um, I have done a handful of stem cells on some
patients.
I, I did it on myself.
Um, Stem cells to me are scary.
I'm gonna tell you a story ofsomething that happened, and
luckily it happened to me and itdidn't happen to a patient.
Um, I had a company that hadstem cells, they were trying to
get my clinic to buy them, andthey came in and they did a, did

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a demo on me with, with stemcells and did an injection on my
penis with stem cells.
And I may have seen somechanges, you know, nothing to,
like, nothing that was like lifechanging.

Leah (14:01):
Mm, nothing remarkable.

William (14:03):
Nothing remarkable.
May, maybe some extrasensitivity, maybe a little bit
easier to get better erections,but six months after if this
happened, I got a phone callfrom the Dallas County Health
Department wanting to know whichpatient at our clinic had stem
cells using lot number, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, which was me because I wasthe patient that they had had

Leah (14:25):
Oh my Lordy.

William (14:27):
and my, my stem cells had been exposed to hepatitis C.
Luckily,

Willow (14:31):
Oh

Leah (14:32):
brother.

William (14:33):
had to go to get tested immediately, and I don't have
it, but.
You know, using someone else'sstem cells is a little bit,
they're, they're tested.
I, I don't know.
We don't know how this batch gotthrough and didn't get flagged
or I guess they were tested andthey were clean of the diseases
that they tested for, butsomehow they thought that there
might have been somecross-contamination.

(14:54):
Luckily, it doesn't appear thatmine did have any cross
contamination,'cause I didn'thave hepatitis C.
But there's all different kindof things to think about.
With exosomes they're not truecells.
They don't, they don't carrydisease.
So there's,

Leah (15:06):
Oh

William (15:06):
just, there's different, you can weigh things
out in different, differentways.
But as far as, um, thedifferences, there are published
studies that show the samechanges.
'cause I've got one of'em at myfingertips.
I use sometimes that show justas good changes with exosomes as
stem cells that are purchased.

(15:27):
I haven't seen published studieson stem cells using the patients
on stem cells.
And, and that might be a hardstudy to design because you've
got a, you've got a lot ofdifferent factors in there.
You've got smokers andnon-smokers and, and, you

Leah (15:41):
Mm-hmm.

William (15:42):
And whenever they're doing a study with stem cells
you can have a very controlledgroup of stem cells and I think
you could have a better designstudy.
I just don't know that we'regonna have a good published
study on that.
There could be one out there.

Leah (15:53):
Mm-hmm.

William (15:53):
Not familiar with it.
But, um, but I do have a lot ofpatients rave about having a
procedure with exosomes, but itcan't fix everything.
So if they've got venous leakageand the valves just don't close,
because that was a, you know,that is an anatomical problem.
They're not gonna fix ananatomical problem, but they can

(16:14):
help repair vascularity that'snot functioning the way that it
used to function.
And it can help with, with, um,issues like plaque and it, it,
it can rejuvenate.
It just can't fix every singleproblem.

Leah (16:26):
Yeah.
And for those of you who don'tknow of, um, venous leakage is,
uh, problematic for erections.
Sometimes you can get anerection, but you have a hard
time maintaining an erection.
Uh, just in case you're notfamiliar with that language.
So, uh, curious how manytreatments does one need to do
in order to increase their girthwith, I'm, I'm gonna butcher the

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name of this.

William (16:50):
For PhalloFILL

Leah (16:52):
Thing.
Yeah.
But, but the name of the, not acell.

William (16:56):
Oh, access homeless.
So, I'm sorry.
So let's not be confusing.
That is not used for growthenhancement.
So we're using that for in, forlike rejuvenation sexual
performance.
Um.
Helping your sex be better,increasing sensitivity.
We can't make any on-labelclaims whenever we're using
exosome.
Like we can't say erectiledysfunction.

(17:16):
We can't use, there's certainways that you cannot, you can't
make claims about a product thathas not been through an FDA
study specifically for that.
So we can't make a claim, but wecall it rejuvenation of your
tissue and improve sexualperformance and that sort of
thing.
So that is what exosomes areused for, they're not used for
size changes.

Leah (17:34):
Oh, okay.

William (17:34):
the P shot was originally promoted for that for
size change in the verybeginning, 15 years ago.
And a lot of places stillpromote it for size change, but
it does not work.
And we've trained close to 40urologists and all the ones that
have tried it to si for sizechange have always said it
doesn't work.
You can't make the tissue growand increase the size of the

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penis like that.

Willow (17:56):
So, we'll, we'll get to girth enhancement in a second,
but let's stay with exosomes fora moment.
Um, what, what is your take onexosomes versus peptides, like
the PT 1 41?

William (18:10):
Well, totally different.
So I mean, I take P 2 1 41, um,I take b PC 1 57.
I've been taking, um, the onethat you, the first one you
mentioned for libido.
Oh my gosh.
I probably started in 2018 and2019.
I love, I love that, um,

Willow (18:27):
So you're doing, you're, they, they, they go together.
They're a great combination.

William (18:31):
they're, they definitely absolutely go
together, you know, testosteronereplacement

Leah (18:35):
I'm sorry.
What goes together?
Because I heard two names ofpeptides and then also that omes
thing.
I'm gonna keep screwing.

Willow (18:42):
peptides and exosome therapy are a, are a great
combination

William (18:47):
The synergy.
Great synergy.

Willow (18:49):
peptides are really working internally on your, on
your system, um, working withyour hormones and, and all of
that plus hormone therapy.
It can be supportive as well.
And then it sounds like theexosomes are really working,
like wherever you put them onthe face or in the penis

Leah (19:05):
the joints.
Got it.
Okay.
Thank you for clarifying.

Willow (19:10):
Yeah.
Um, okay.

William (19:12):
still talking?
Was I supposed to answersomething

Leah (19:14):
Yeah, I think I, I think I interrupted you.

Willow (19:16):
We were just, you were just kind of going on about
peptides for a moment

William (19:20):
Uh, okay.
So, yeah, I mean, I lovepeptides.
I think the synergy betweenpeptides, um, some that maybe
increase IGF one for anti-aging,that also will help with
erections, testosteronereplacement therapy, um,
exosomes.
I think that the synergybetween, you know, multiple, um,
treatments are really what isgonna give someone the best

(19:41):
result whenever they're tryingto change their potential
performance and that sort ofthing.

Willow (19:45):
Awesome.
Okay, now let's get onto girth.
What is PhalloFILL and tell usabout it.

William (19:50):
So PhalloFILL is a procedure, non-invasive,
non-surgical, that utilizes, um,hyaluronic acid.
Hyaluronic acid is in skincareproducts.
You

Leah (20:00):
Yeah, I use it every day.

William (20:01):
all Yeah.
So your body produces it.
It's a, it's a naturallyoccurring in your skin and your
tendons and your organs.
Sometimes I jokingly tellpatients that their body is a
pool of hyaluronic acid becausewe have so much of it in us, and
so it's very safe to use it as adermal filler.
You've known of it being used inthe lips, cheeks, nasal labial,
folds.
Since 2004 was when the veryfirst one was FDA, cleared to be

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used in the face.
And so these, this hyaluronicacid is a clear gel that can be
100% reversed by a procedureusing hyaluronic days, which is
an enzyme that basically breaksthe bond that holds hyaluronic
acid molecules together andturns it into sugar and water,
and then your body can reabsorbit.
So.
If somebody doesn't like it,which that never happens, but if

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they did, it could be reversed.
If they don't follow theirpost-care completely, 100%.
And they have like a little bitof an irregularity, a couple of
droplets of how you want a days,a little bit of massage with
your thumb and you basicallyhave just leveled out like an
irregularity.
So you can't do that when you'reinjecting the penis with other
fillers like silicone or PMMA,which are used in this country

(21:06):
very freely, illegally, um, andthey're not made to be injected
in the body.
And there are lots of peoplethat are still using it and they
cause horrific outcomes fortheir patients.
I'm talking about large nodulesand bumps that

Leah (21:21):
Yeah, there's some really

William (21:23):
and pick them up off someone's penis.

Leah (21:25):
scary botched stories when you are injecting silicone.
Okay, so I am wanna make sureI've got it all.
People who are wanting toincrease girth, uh, the things
that are on there on the marketare fat grafting where you're

William (21:41):
That's not really done very much anymore.
That was an old method.
I don't know that we could evenfind someone doing that right
now.
I haven't heard of it in a long

Leah (21:48):
Okay.
Got it.

William (21:50):
Their mine was 15 years ago.

Leah (21:52):
and then there's filler injections.
And so is that what your productdoes?
It's basically a fillerinjection to the penis.

William (21:59):
Yes, but we're using hyaluronic acid as our filler
product.
And a lot of, um, providers outthere use other things that are
less expensive to them, that arenot, that are not really made to
be injected in the body.
So PMMA is made to be used inthe human body for it for um,
for instance, a good reason isfor, in the, in the spine it can

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be used to increase thethickness of the vertebrae.
It's, it's hard.
It, it can be sort

Willow (22:26):
what are you saying?
P-M-A-M.

William (22:31):
Something, something acrylic.
It's basically plastic acrylicbeads, tiny plastic acrylic
beads is

Willow (22:37):
does not sound like you want that injected into your

William (22:40):
and it is permanent.
And so if for some reason itgets uneven or it's lumpy, it
has to be surgically removedwith a lov, with a degloving
procedure.
And guys, you don't even wannaknow what a degloving procedure
is.
You can imagine, um,

Willow (22:53):
Oh, de loving men.
Don't go there.
Avoid the PMMA.

William (22:58):
And the silicone.
So, PMA and silicone are the twothat you'll find.
They're very common if you'relooking for growth enhancement.
But what the, what, what the,the draw is for those procedures
is that it's permanent.
And so guys, you've only gotone.
That's it.
And if it gets messed up.

Willow (23:16):
You're kind of stuck.

William (23:18):
kind of screwed, so don't put anything permanent in
your penis.
We do not know what's gonnahappen in 20 or 30 years to
something that has been put intothe penis permanently.
We have absolutely no idea.

Willow (23:29):
That's the beauty of hyaluronic acid, is it, it kind
of dissolves into the tissuesover time, and so then you need
to get repeat treatments everywhat, six

William (23:40):
12 months.
Yeah.
And it lasts a lot longer in thepenis than it does in the face
because we're injecting itbetween two layers

Leah (23:48):
every 12 months.
Got

William (23:51):
Not off, but not a full treatment every 12 months.
A touchup.
A maintenance.
A maintenance dose.
Because?
Because it lasts a lot longer inthe penis.
So let's just say that

Leah (24:00):
is that because it doesn't lessen the face because we're,
we are using so many facialmuscles.

William (24:06):
It's not exactly that, but that, that could be a, a bit
of it, but it's more that in theface it's sort of free, floaty.
There's blood flow, there'slymphatic drainage, there's lots
of things happening.

Willow (24:16):
to the head.

William (24:17):
Yeah.
And then in the penis, the, thelayer that we place this between
at, with the fap fill procedureanyway, this, everyone does it
different.
Some people put it between thisouter layer of fascia called the
dartos fascia and the skin.
That's not how we inject it withPhalloFILL, we inject it between
two layers of fascia called thedartos layer of fascia and the
bucks layer of fascia.

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And there happens not to be verymuch blood flow, if any, and
there's no, um, no lymphaticsthat are

Willow (24:44):
That's why it lasts

William (24:45):
That's why it lasts longer in the, in the falla
field procedure.

Leah (24:48):
Can you share where exactly that is on the penis if
people don't have a referencefor what the, where those
tissues are located.

William (24:54):
It's hard to imagine.
Um, I don't have a way to shapeit just visually.
Let's just think of our firstlayer of sheets, um, as our
skin, and then let's think ofour next layer as our, is our
blanket, and then our next layeris our mattress pad and then the
corepra is the mattress.

(25:14):
That's where all the blood flowis.
That makes you have an erection.
So we've got sheets, which isskin.

Willow (25:17):
Ra meaning body kind of corpus, is

William (25:20):
Corporal body.
Yeah.
That's where all the blood flowis.
That's what creates you to havean erection.
So we have the skin, the toplayer, which is the um, sheet,
and then the next layer we'rekind of call it our blanket, and
that is our dartos fascia.
And then below that we have our,our mattress cover that's gonna
be called our bucks.
What I want you to think aboutbucks and dodos is like this.

(25:40):
If you have one of those fabricwater hoses that we've all seen
in the garden, you turn it offand it gets flacid and it

Leah (25:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.

William (25:47):
and then you turn it on and it fill full of water and it
pushes against the fabriclayers.
That is exactly how a reactionor a reaction that how the
erection works.
So we turn the blood flow on tothe penis with a stimulation and
the blood pushes against thebucks and the dartos fascia, and
it creates that rigid erectionjust like the water pushes

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against the fabric and makesthat water hose get erect.
Now think about that water hosehaving two layers of fabric,
just two layers.
And so we're basically, that'sthe outer layer of that, that
water hose is, is the dartos andthe inner layer is the buck
fascia.
And so we are packing the dermalfiller between dartos and bucks.

(26:29):
So finding the layer between theB fascia and the dardo fascia is
something that I teach theproviders when they came in for
training.
So today happens to be atraining day for me.
I have some, I have a physicianhere from Lubbock, Texas.
He's in his second day oftraining.
So the entire first half of thefirst day I'm teaching how to
find the layer between bucks anddartos and we do a hydro

(26:51):
dissection.
We put a little bit of, on 1%lidocaine.
In between there we create apocket and then we have to go
back in with our dermal fillerright in between that pocket and
we have to lay the dermal fillervery evenly.
And um then we finish up withthe post-care and apply our,
our, um, patented sleeve, whichis called the Phallo of Sleeve,

(27:13):
that we can talk about that in amoment that makes us completely
different than every otherprovider.
So, um, so learning how to findthat Dartos and Bucks facia is
an art, and I actually cannotget, I can't teach it to
everyone.
Some people just can't get itbecause you have to be able to
feel for.

Willow (27:30):
dexterity sensitivity.
I bet I

William (27:33):
so much.
I bet you could.
I

Leah (27:35):
you probably could.

Willow (27:36):
I have

Leah (27:37):
She has a spidey sense for those kinds of things.
Yeah.

William (27:42):
Yeah, so I mean, I was, I found it so easily'cause I, I
injected faces for 17 yearsprior to going to injecting
penis and so I can.
I'm pretty good at feeling andI've also gotten to where I can
visually see, like, I can seechanges in the, in the person's
training.
I can see when they hit intothe, the, the, um, the fascist.
So, so that's what we'retraining on right now is how to

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find it, lay it, and um, providea good post care.

Willow (28:07):
Now, so when you're training someone and you're
like, uh, you're just notfinding it, like what do you do
with that person?
What do you do with thatpractitioner?

William (28:15):
Well, so I have, um, a couple times I've told them that
they're not cleared to doPhalloFILL and they will have to
go back and they'll have topractice on their own people on
how to find that, that, um,

Willow (28:30):
Layer.

William (28:31):
Yeah.
And be able to do the hydrodissection.
And then once we use to tellthem we need to do them, you
know, anywhere between six and10 of their own.
And then whenever they, theythink that they have got it
under control again, then we'lldo like a, we'll do a call or
we'll do a second training andwe'll make sure.
And then there have been peoplewho I just flat out said, you're
not gonna get it.

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I can tell that you're not gonnaget it.
And um, and we just have to callthe practice and say, the person
that you sent, the physician yousend is not trainable and we're
not gonna be able to work on'em.
It's happened a couple times.
So we do make sure that thepeople that are out there, not,
not only trained, but they'retrained well, and they're
competent and perform theprocedure.

Leah (29:08):
Co.
Couple questions about that.
So I understand you trainurologists.
I am.
Uh, suppose you also train nursepractitioners and doctors who
are running MedDi spas.
Um, are there anyone else that'seligible for this kind of
training?

William (29:21):
Um, two thirds of our providers are urologists, and
the other one third arephysician practices that could
be specialty and anti-aging.

Leah (29:30):
Yeah.

William (29:30):
have a couple plastics, we have a couple, um, derms.
Um, and then oftentimes withinthe practice, the physician will
be trained, but then they'llalso want to have their
physician assistant or theirnurse practitioner, or even a
nurse in many states, a nurse isable to

Willow (29:45):
I was

William (29:46):
Whatever's legal, whatever's legal in the state.

Willow (29:49):
Yeah.
If you can do injections,basically like I can't do them.
Yeah.

William (29:54):
if you're legal in your state to do injections, then
and, and you're under aphysician, um, then we will
train you.

Leah (30:00):
Okay.
Now where, where along the penisare you injecting?
Can you sort of describe thelocation?
Like is it around the coronalridge or the shaft, or the base
or, yeah, the head.

William (30:12):
So if you, if you have a penis, we have, um, 12
o'clock, six o'clock, nineo'clock, three o'clock.

Willow (30:20):
Mm-hmm.

William (30:21):
Like a clock.
So we always inject in the nineand the three on the sides of
the penis.
And so we wanna make the peniswider around penis that looks
like a sausage doesn't lookreal, and thal fill is
undetectable and we want it tocontinue to be undetectable.
We won't, don't want someone tosay, I manage you, did you get
that injected?
Where'd, where'd you get thatdone?
That's not, not the goal.

(30:42):
So, um, so we do inject it wide.
And also if a man is looking athimself in the mirror, if the
penis is wide.
Versus front to back because youput a lot of your filler on the
top of the penis.
You don't see those changes aswell when they're front to back
as well as they are side toside.

Leah (30:58):
Sure

Willow (30:59):
along the shaft, like right in the middle

William (31:01):
Oh, well on the sides,

Leah (31:02):
on the sides, but is it more towards the base,

Willow (31:06):
the sides.
I know.
On

William (31:08):
from, from the, from the Corona to the, to the base.
So if you'll imagine a column onboth sides, all the way down a
column, as almost said, we'regonna be nasal labial folds.
So it's.
Straight be, but it's, it'salong the side in the nine and
the three o'clock positions onthe side.
We don't like to go, we will notgo on the bottom because the
urethra is there and you don'twant to be anywhere close to the

(31:28):
urethra.
So that is just not, not doneanyway.
But a lot of our, a lot of ourproviders put it on top and it
does not look good.
I've, you know, people come intous for corrections or because
they move and they're here andthey were, you know, somewhere
else before, and they come in,they've had it done on the top
of the shaft.
It just does not look good.

Willow (31:46):
So there are other, other things besides PhalloFILL
that are using hyaluronic acid,but your sort of proprietary
PhalloFILL is got this veryspecific between these layers at
these points on the clock, thesepoints on the penis.
And, and that's kind of whatmakes PhalloFILL, um, number one

(32:08):
in the

William (32:09):
That is part of it.
That's a large part of it, isthat we have a staged protocol
that we do a certain amount atone time.
Thin layers of dermal fillersstay in place better than thick
layers.
Another analogy that I use is.
Um, if you have a thick layer, athick tube of toothpaste, you
can move the toothpaste reallyeasily and then when it gets to
the very bottom, you know, wealways struggle to try and get
the last bit of the toothpasteout.

(32:30):
So thin layers are moredifficult to move a lot of
providers because they only wantyou on their treatment table one
time because they make more,they can make more money in one
hour versus having to havesomeone come in five times for
the same amount of money.
Of course, they want you to comein one time.
We don't do that with PhalloFILL

Willow (32:46):
They'll do thicker layers

William (32:48):
do like 25 syringes at one time, whereas

Willow (32:51):
you're doing one

William (32:52):
we'll do like six syringes.
Four to six.
Four to six.

Willow (32:55):
Okay.

Leah (32:56):
And so how many injections, uh, in that
appointment?
You said three and nine.
Are you always doing three andnine or are you only doing nine
sometimes or only doing three?
Depending on the shape of

William (33:05):
same.
Same on both sides.

Willow (33:07):
always do

William (33:08):
They always do it.
Even in

Willow (33:09):
symmetrical.
Yeah.
Now and then what's the recoveryprocess like?

William (33:14):
Well, the recovery is really easy, so we have a, as I
mentioned before, a patentedsleeve that we, um, that we
provide to our providers andonly PhalloFILL providers have
access to these sleeves and toour knowledge, no one else in
the world has created any typeof post-care garment
specifically to be used aftertheir growth enhancement

(33:34):
procedure besides us.
And this sleeve basicallycompresses and elongates the
penis so that it doesn't retractlike an accordion and create
like the baffles on anaccordion, which would be lumps
in your penis.
So we believe that they, that,yes, it's very important to be
able to.
It's the key.
It is the secret sauce and it isactually the reason that

(33:56):
providers, the top urologists inthe country began to flock
towards PhalloFILL was becausethey had never felt that there
was a way to perform it and havethe patient be symmetrical and
happy with the procedure.
So it's, it's safe to injecthyaluronic acid, basically any
way you wanna inject in thepenis, because you're not really
gonna hurt very much.

Leah (34:15):
Yeah.
And it eventually goes away

William (34:18):
Yeah, so safety is one concern, but making Pat patients
happy with it is a wholedifferent ball game.

Leah (34:23):
right?
That's, that's the name of thegame.
Now, speaking of satisfaction,um, you know, there's some, uh,
my understanding is that unlikeBotox, if you get fillers in
your face and you really don'tlike how it looks.
You can go back and there areways that they can remove the
filler.
Is the same thing true for doingthis procedure on a penis?

(34:47):
Could someone take it out?

William (34:49):
Absolutely.
We, I have reversed it on oneperson.
Um, that person had it for threeor four years and began to date
someone who had not hadchildren.
I think the, the first, I thinkhe was married and he had a wife
that had had a couple of vaginalbirth deliveries and maybe was
separated, divorced, and thenwas dating someone younger that
had not had children.
And we needed to take it downsome.

(35:10):
But, um, I was actually trainingour urologist from Las Vegas the
day that he came in for hisreversal.
So I was able to have a witnessthat heard him saying, oh, I
love PhalloFILL.
I just can't

Leah (35:20):
It just got too big.

William (35:21):
just, yeah, I just can't use it on my current
partner.
And so we took it down as, youknow, take it down really
easily.
Now I reverse people all thetime that are not PhalloFILL
patients.
I mean, on a, on a regularbasis, I have people fly in.
There's a, there's a websitecalled Phallo Boards,
P-H-A-L-L-O-B-O-A-R ds.info,which is a great place.

(35:43):
It's nonprofit, it's not therefor making money.
You can go in and you can readabout providers across the
country for growth enhancementand you can read patient
experiences and, you know, theytalk about doctors that have
been good and doctors that havebeen bad, or providers or
whatever.
on the www.phalloboards.infowebsite, people have talked
about me being their fixer alot.
There's a lot of conversationsabout people having gone to many

(36:05):
urologists or providers of girthenhancement across the country,
and they had uneven resultsbecause they didn't have a
post-care garment.
Maybe it wasn't injected evenly,whatever the case may have been.
Maybe it was injected in thewrong plane.
It was, it was between dartosand skin.

Leah (36:21):
they weren't happy.

William (36:22):
and Bucks, when it's between dartos and skin, it is a
disaster.
It's like a water

Willow (36:27):
A lumpy

Leah (36:28):
really?
Like a swollen.

William (36:31):
squishy, mushy.
The erection is inside the big,the big lump of girth.
And so you've got an erect penisdown deep, and you've got this
really squishy stuff on top,

Leah (36:41):
Oh,

William (36:41):
ous.
So when you, so with the, withthe

Leah (36:44):
thank God.
You can

Willow (36:45):
feel weird.
I know.

Leah (36:46):
Yeah.

William (36:47):
I reverse a lot.
I mean, I, a lot of people Iwill, would have to completely
100% reverse.
I just reversed out$40,000 worthof dermal filler from a guy that
got it in a more expensive statewhere the provider was charging
close to double per syringe.
That what

Willow (37:02):
Damn.

William (37:02):
at PhalloFILL.
And it was all outside thedermal, the um, the dartos
fascia.
And we had to reverse every bitof it.
and there's a cost to reversingit as

Willow (37:11):
I'm

Leah (37:12):
Right

William (37:12):
the is

Leah (37:14):
now, can, can someone, is that, um, will that person, will
that doctor be sued?
Is there litigious consequencesfor something like that?
Or because people sign a waiver,you know, before

William (37:27):
they just have a bad technique.
I mean, like if you have a badfacelift and you just chose a
bad doctor, I don't know thatyou have any grounds really to
stand on with that.
That's you.
You gotta do your due diligence.

Willow (37:37):
I wanna maybe touch on this for hair loss because we're
talking about men and lookinggood and feeling good and
finding your confidence.
And so many men have, you know,they have this bald spot or full
bald and they want this hairback.
So tell us about how, a littlebit about how you're using
exosomes for balding.

William (37:58):
So first of all, whenever somebody comes to us
and they want to have.
Something done for hair loss.
We offer at this cliniceverything.
I have smart graft, which isfollicular unit extraction, hair
restoration.
So we take individual hairfollicles and then place them in
the top.
And my provider is amazing.
Can give

Leah (38:18):
I've seen some great results with that.

William (38:20):
Yeah, he's, he's amazing.
Any movie star that you haveseen that has had it done, he's
probably the one who's done it.
Um, whenever the comp, whenevera manager calls, um.
Smart craft and they say, who isyour best?
They will set up shop for himand they'll fly him out, and he
does like the top actors andstuff

Leah (38:38):
And they're, it's a long procedure, right?
Isn't it?
Like six to eight hours?

William (38:42):
Five to five to seven, five to eight hours, something
like that.
And that's to do a lot ofgraphs, like 2,500 to three to
3,500 graphs.
So that's one thing that we do.
We also have a hyperbaricchamber, not specifically for
hair restoration, but there arepublished studies that show that
that, um, hyperbaric chambersessions can actually increase
blood flow of the scalp and canhelp some dormant hair follicles

(39:04):
grow.
So we offer our hair restorationpatients hyperbarics about five
days prior to their procedure toget their scalp prepared, and
then we offer them, um,hyperbaric after their procedure
and it dramatically reducesswelling because you've got
pressure on the body.
And so it

Leah (39:20):
fresh blood.

William (39:22):
kept push blood back into the system.
Um, but there's also thepublished studies that show that
just the oxygen to the folliclescan increase in growth.
We also offer exosomes, which wetalked about earlier.
We do that in combination formen.
So maybe we might offer themcomplimentary exosomes with
their hair restoration surgeryso that we can make the existing
follicles stronger and moreresilient.

(39:45):
Um, and then we also have somered light therapy, but the first
thing that we do when somebodycomes in is we do an actual, um,
genetic test.
And it's a, it's a swab and it'ssent off and it's analyzed and
so much information comes back.
It tells the band if they'repredisposed to having hair loss,
if they take hormone replacementtherapy.
It tells them if they're goingto respond to Propecia, it tells

(40:09):
them if they're gonna respond toa topical, it tells them

Leah (40:11):
Oh, how wonderful.

William (40:12):
of respond to an exosome procedure or where
they're gonna, they're gonnahave to go straight

Willow (40:15):
So it's, it's kind of like shows points you in the
direction.

Leah (40:20):
Yeah.
Talk about saving someone

William (40:22):
new.
It saves a lot of money and, andtime and effort and it's, you
know, those tests are fairlynew.
They haven't been around thatlong,

Willow (40:28):
But you're finding them to be very accurate.

William (40:30):
Yeah, they're, yeah.
Um, and, and they're, they'renot in all the locations yet,
but you, they should look for atest before they invest their
money to see what is gonna be

Willow (40:40):
What is the name of this test that you're using?

William (40:43):
Um, it is, gosh, I just walked past it.
Um, I open the box all the time.
If you'll gimme two seconds, Ican go grab one.
I was like right outside my

Willow (40:52):
Yeah, grab it.

William (40:53):
just go grab, because I got the name on it.
I'm so sorry.

Willow (40:55):
That's fine.
I think it'd be interesting forpeople to know.

Leah (41:01):
He's such a sweetie.
I like him.

Willow (41:04):
We should have gotten into the fucking medi spa space.
Girl, you should move to SantaBarbara.
Let's open it up.
I got a nurse practitioner.
She can do

Leah (41:11):
And what would I do?
I'd be the receptionist.

Willow (41:13):
Yeah, we will figure it out.
You'll, you'll run the show,girl.
You'll fucking createspreadsheets sure everything's
organized.
You'll

Leah (41:24):
I'll do the bookkeeping.

Willow (41:25):
you'll be the song and dance girl.

Leah (41:28):
Oh God.
Right, right.
The showgirl, um, question foryou.
Oh yeah, yeah.
So did, what was the name ofthat test?
ALO.

Willow (41:36):
Okay.

William (41:37):
A-L-O, A-L-O test.
So it's DNA, testing forandrogenetic, alopecia,
alopecia, otra, uh, eta, andtelogen.
Effluvium.

Leah (41:51):
Easy for you to say.

William (41:52):
I didn't say that right.
I know I

Willow (41:54):
Androgenic, Alopecia Areata, Telogen Effuvium

William (42:04):
That.

Leah (42:06):
so.

Willow (42:06):
Pretty good.

Leah (42:07):
Okay, so question like who's good?
'Cause it seems like kind of,it's a crapshoot and maybe this
testing solves that, but I knowpeople who've done hair
restoration, um, procedures withgreat success, and I've known
people who've done the samerestoration procedures with
much, uh, not great results.

(42:27):
Do you have a feeling for who'sgood and who's not good for that
kind of.

William (42:31):
You've gotta do your research.
I mean, the, you know, you canhave the.
The planters are generally thepeople who make or break the
procedure.
The ones who like do theplanting, put the hair back in.
So a lot of times the physicianjust comes in, they might do the
anesthesia, and then you've gotone person who's trained to take
the graft out.
And then you've got two peoplesometimes sitting at a table

(42:53):
that does what's called thedissection of them, and they get
all the skin off of them andclean them up.
Is that those people are nickingthe follicles under magnifying
glass.
You don't even know that they'redamaged and you put'em right
back into the patient and thenthey don't take, so you've got,
you've got dissectors, you'vegot planters, you've got, you've
got a whole team.
And so it, you gotta ask'em somequestions and serious questions

(43:16):
whenever you go in.
Who's gonna be doing myprocedure?
How long's my planter beenplanting?
How many procedures have theydone?
It's not just about the doctor,because a lot of times the
doctor doesn't really have verymuch to do with the actual
procedure.
They're in another room doingsurgeries and

Leah (43:29):
okay.
So their tech people are

William (43:30):
It, it is, a lot of times it's techs that are doing
it.
So you just gotta find out andmake sure that the v before and
afters are actually there beforeand afters and not something
that they found un stockphotography.
And just, you gotta just do somedue diligence to know who's
gonna be the person who's gonnawanna do, and you wanna ask
about, say, I wanna see all ofyour hair lines where people
had, you know, the front oftheir hair brought down.

(43:50):
I wanna see people who, who,where they have the hair
follicles grow in a way that youcan brush the hair over to the
side.
Like, because that good a trueplanter is gonna be able to look
at you and.
Determine how your hairlineneeds to be created so that it,
it could

Willow (44:04):
have you had this procedure done?
William,

William (44:07):
lucky that I have not yet lost a hair.
I, I'm 51.
I haven't lost any hair justyet.
Um, but I will if I need to.
But my father died with a fullhead of hair.
My mother, um, has a

Leah (44:17):
Mm-hmm.

Willow (44:18):
probably

William (44:18):
So I'm hoping that I'm.

Willow (44:20):
Yeah.

Leah (44:20):
What, I'm curious what the cost is for something like hair
restoration and for theincreased girth.
Um.
Experience, experienceenhancement, and then also like
what's the difference betweenthat first treatment price and
then maintenance prices.

William (44:35):
Okay, well, hair restoration is easy, so it's
done a number of graphs orfollicles generally.
Um, we generally do about 2,500graft at this clinic.
We charge$5 a graft.
However, our competitors inDallas charge about$9 a graft.
So you're looking at a graph pergraph cost wherever you look

(44:57):
generally.
And um, so I would say anywherebetween probably six and and$9
per RAF is, is average.
So you would multiply that by,um.
The 2,500 times five is what?
12,500 here?
Um, it could be closer to 20,000if you got 2,500 graphs at

(45:17):
another clinic.
So that's gonna vary with thecity and the experience of

Willow (45:21):
and also how many graphs you need, like how

William (45:23):
How many graphs you

Willow (45:24):
there is.
Yeah.

William (45:25):
how many then the number, so anywhere, probably
between 25 and 4,500 graphs isprobably, the maximum you're
gonna see is like 4,500 graphsat a time.
So, so that's hair restoration,Girth enhancement.
I think so I have this littleset of props over here.
Lemme see if you can see them.
If I can bring them here.

(45:46):
I have this set of props, saysPhalloFILL in the front and

Leah (45:52):
So for,

William (45:53):
sizes.
I

Leah (45:54):
Cool.
So for those of you who aren'twatching, you might be
listening, um, he is got these.

William (46:01):
dolls, basically

Leah (46:02):
Yeah, like cylinders, they kind of remind me of like, you
know, when you stuff, um,quarters in those packets from
the

Willow (46:09):
Oh, yeah,

William (46:10):
Yes, it does

Leah (46:11):
those

Willow (46:12):
yeah, yeah.

William (46:12):
like a knuckle packet,

Willow (46:14):
When's the last time you stuffed one of those?

Leah (46:17):
right?
People don't use change anymore.
They use credit cards.

Willow (46:21):
I know.
Okay, so what are those,William?
Those are examples

William (46:25):
yeah.
So this is a 3.75.

Willow (46:28):
Okay.

William (46:28):
Circumference, and this is a four, so this is a quarter
of an inch.
From the smaller one to thelarger one, it's a quarter of an
inch.
And then one more up.
This is 4.25.

Leah (46:39):
Okay.

William (46:39):
they're progressively getting larger by one quarter of
an inch.
Each one of our proceduresgenerally increases you by one
quarter of an inch, so it willtake about four to five sessions
to get you like around an inchincrease,

Leah (46:52):
Wow.
A whole inch increase.

William (46:54):
Oh yeah.
I just treated a guy a day.
He's been coming for five years.
He's 2.25 inches larger thanwhat he was when he started.

Leah (47:02):
In girth or in length?
In girth,

William (47:05):
Now, we don't affect the length at all.
So this is just girth when we'retalking

Leah (47:10):
Well, I like girth,

William (47:11):
now the, now the, the flacid length

Willow (47:13):
Most

Leah (47:14):
gimme girth over length any day.

William (47:16):
That's what all women say.
I mean, that's, that's, that'sthe truth.
You don't

Leah (47:19):
Yeah.

William (47:20):
knock at your lungs.

Leah (47:21):
Right, right.
Beating up your cervix.

William (47:24):
yeah, so, so each treatment is about one quarter
of an inch.
So if they're gonna do.
Here, I'm gonna give you myDallas prices because we're on
the lower end, um, of the, ofthe spectrum.
So if you buy a package of 10syringes, that can be a couple
of treatments, maybe that mightgive you a half of an inch
increase.
That's gonna be about$5,500.
If you want to go more towardsfour sessions and you got like a

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five inch penis, which is theaverage, you're gonna need about
20 syringes.
And that pack is 10,000.
Some people want go more thanthat.
So it's not unusual for us tosell like a$13,000 package
sometimes.
And then people do love it.
And so they will continue tocome in.
And I know that it sounds reallyexpensive, but dermal filler is
really expensive

Leah (48:06):
ex it's expensive.

William (48:07):
It's like, it was, there's just no way around it
here

Leah (48:09):
Yeah.
Women across America

William (48:13):
And we,

Leah (48:13):
know this.
Yeah.

William (48:15):
more for what we're doing and the longer the penis,
the more

Willow (48:19):
The more it

William (48:19):
down the shaft.

Leah (48:21):
Oh, of course.
So, um, and this is, you can'tdo this treatment more than once
a year because you don't needto.

William (48:28):
can do it as much as you want until you hit your
girth goal.
Yeah.
And then

Leah (48:34):
girth

William (48:34):
goal, then you do one procedure every 12 months to
maintain.

Willow (48:40):
Okay.
Okay,

Leah (48:41):
then how much of that maintains procedure?

William (48:43):
Well,

Willow (48:43):
then also what's the interval to get to the goal?
Girth?
Three weeks.
Okay.

Leah (48:48):
Okay.

William (48:49):
three weeks I can treat you.
So the, the number of syringesthat is in your maintenance is
going to be one syringe perlength of penis.
So if you have a four inchpenis, you're generally gonna
have four syringes per session.
A five inch penis, generallyfive syringes, and a six inch
penis is generally six.
Most penises are between fiveand six inches long, so they're
gonna have five or six syringesper treatment to yield that one

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quarter of an inch.
And then the maintenance forthat is gonna be one treatment
of four to five syringes peryear to

Willow (49:20):
Okay.
Okay.

Leah (49:21):
What, what are, what's the general age of, uh, your
patients that are coming in forgrowth enhancement?

William (49:28):
We just did a survey and the numbers came back and
they were skewed at like 45 to55 for the, you know, for the
like, for about 50%, but there'sa fairly large percentage of men
that go all the way up to theage of 65.
And then there's not quite asmany people in their younger
twenties, but we do all thetime, you know, do see people

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that are 21, 22 years old thatthey finished college and
they've got money.
Um, but generally it's, um, it'sgonna be once you've made a
little bit more money in yourlives before you're able to do
it.
That's, but that's notnecessarily true.
I tell you, I have a lot of whatyou would call blue collar
workers that come in here and weoffer financing and they will
finance, and this is the biggestthing that they've ever
purchased for themselves.

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But it's, it changes

Willow (50:10):
So empowering.
Yes.

William (50:13):
It can make such big changes.
I've seen, I had a guy that camein here covered with cement one
day concrete, and I was like,what do you do for work?
And he said, I work in thefactory that pours those big
round things that you see on theside of the street that the
sewage goes through, likeunderground.
So like, I mean, so we've, I'vehad everything roof.
We have a lot of roofers, a lotof electricians, a lot of

(50:33):
builders, a lot of, I have a lotof farmers, um, that come in
here around Dallas, I've got alot of people from rural AR
areas around DFW, but

Leah (50:43):
You know,

William (50:44):
see everything.

Leah (50:45):
curious.
Um, go.
Okay.
Um, thanks, Willow.
I, uh, I've got a friend whoended up doing, I think, um, fat
injections.
This was back, I don't know, 20,25 years.
Is that removable?

William (51:02):
No, but it doesn't generally last that long either.
Was you had a friend that didfat injections on like the face,
it was a female that did it onthe face, or was it a guy that
did

Leah (51:11):
No, there's a guy who saved up money in his twenties,
20 something plus years ago, andI've seen it and it's on like
either, it's to make the headsort of fatter.
It's almost a little bit like aroundish fat deposits underneath
the Coronal Ridge.

William (51:30):
That's the reason that we as a company, do not do
hyaluronic acid into the glandis because the tissue is spongy
and it doesn't expand.
You can't make it even, we'venever seen someone come in that
someone had tried to enhance thesize of their gland and they
made it look good.
It always looks like acne to me.
Um, every time I've ever seen itdone with fat or with any type

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of dermal filler, it's alwayslooked like acne.
Just'cause it just doesn't, itdoesn't spread like it does in
the shaft and it's undetectablein the shaft.

Leah (52:00):
So this doesn't look like acne.
It, it, it doesn't actually lookall that bad.
Doesn't feel all that bad.
Um, I, and he hasn't reportedany disappointments about it.
I'm just curious if it can beremoved.

William (52:14):
No, I don't think so.
So describe it for me one moretime, though.
I wanna make sure

Leah (52:17):
It is like.

William (52:18):
what it visually looks like.

Leah (52:20):
It feels and looks like his shaft is thicker and wider
than the head of his penis, butit's not like a dramatic, it
doesn't look deformed oranything, but where I can tell
the most texture change and sortof the look were to more
distinguishable and haven'tasked enough questions to let

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go.
Did they do anything more thanwhat looks like it's obvious on
either side of the shaft, um,just below the head and it's on
the side.
It's not in the front or in theback.

William (52:52):
And it's like a little bit more like a

Leah (52:55):
A little bulbous.
Yeah, uhhuh,

William (52:57):
on the sides,

Leah (52:58):
the sides.
And each side is symmetrical andit's bubbled ness.

William (53:02):
You know what I find sometimes is that when they put
too much of whatever product itis, in this case fat, it could
be dermal filler, sometimes justwhat we say, um, distal, just on
the other side of thecircumcision line, the
circumcision can be tight andcan, and can have some, you
know, some scar tissue obviouslyin it because it was the

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circumcision.
And sometimes when you put thedermal filler underneath it, it
doesn't expand like the otherskin in the shaft of the penis
does.
And so sometimes what you putunder the circumcision with
retraction occurring and thepenis comes back towards the
body, that dermal filler thatwas under the circumcision can
be pushed forward.
And what it sounds like to me,as you're describing, is two

(53:45):
bulbs on each side that mighthave originally been under the
circumcision, and it even lookseven more, more bulgy because
the circumcision is smaller, um,and the bulbous area is larger.
And so there's like a bit of anoptimal illusion going there as
well because the, thecircumcision couldn't stretch.
Sometimes it can, sometimes itcan't.

Leah (54:06):
Interesting.

Willow (54:08):
Very.
Um, now how long does theprocedure take?
Do you have a list of providersfor PhalloFILL around the states
that people in different statescan look up?
And, um, I had another question,but it's gone.

Leah (54:24):
We will start with those two.
It'll probably come back.

William (54:27):
So foul fill procedure is really fast, and this is not
with me rushing.
I mean, I do a procedure in 10to 12 minutes when someone comes
in from the start to finish.
Now we, I booked them for anhour because.
These people have become myfriends.
I mean, we talk to them.

Willow (54:43):
you wanna shoot the shit for a while before you Oh, I
know what my third question was.
Does it hurt?
I mean, you're putting a needleinto someone's penis.
Yeah.

William (54:52):
So, um, so the procedures itself is pretty
fast, but I do schedule a longeramount of time because sometimes
people come in, they wanna talkfor a bit, and you can't just
say, Hey mate, you gotta stoptalking I got somebody else
here.
So I just try and be as, asaccommodating for that as as I
can because they're, they'retrusting me to do something
that's very sensitive andsometimes they wanna talk a lot
and they wanna tell me aboutwhat has changed in their lives

(55:13):
and like how their dating haschanged and, and how the
intimacy with their spouse, um,for 25 years has changed.
So.
So I try and give'em time, butit doesn't take that long to do
it.
Now, as far as the sensation orthe difficulty, I always ask
every time I do a procedure.
On a scale of one to 10, wheredo you put the pain, one being

(55:34):
the easiest, 10 being the mostdifficult pain that you can
imagine?
I generally get a one or a two.
It's rare that I get it through.
It's very rare.
So I think it, I think that mentolerate it

Willow (55:45):
tiny little needle, teeny, tiny, kind of like what I
use for peptides.

William (55:49):
it's a maybe smaller.
It's a 32 gauge, eightmillimeter needle is what I use
for the anesthesia, and it justgoes barely under the skin.
And then once that has beennumbed, I do use a larger
syringe for the actual dermalfiller.
But you don't feel anything atthat point because it's, it's
been

Willow (56:08):
It's numbed.
Yeah.
And then the numb goes away inan

William (56:12):
four to six hours.
Lot of it's 1% lot akin four tosix hours.
Yeah.
Um, the other question that youasked me is how you, how many
providers that we have or wherethey can find them.
So on our website, which isPhalloFILL, P-H-A-L-L-O.
FILL.com.
If you read through there, oneof the most amazing things I
think about our website is thatwe have a text number right in

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front of you and so you can senda text message to us and it's
gonna go to one of our eightpro, um, eight consultants that
just speak about PhalloFILL soyou're not gonna have to call an
office that is a med spa, andthey offer 20 procedures, and
the person who's answering thephone has to try and be familiar
with every aspect of those 20procedures.
These people know one thing,one, and they know it backwards

(56:58):
and forwards, and that that'sall that they speak about.
And so you can ask, you can havea private conversation, being
nervous about picking up thephone and not knowing if it's
gonna be someone on the otherline that's a female, that maybe
you don't wanna talk about thiswith a female sometimes.
Um, it's just, it's someanonymous way to be able to get
some good answers and some goodinformation.
And these conversations, onceyou send a text message,

(57:20):
sometimes they go on for twoyears before the person pulls
the trigger and comes in it.
It is a very long, um process of

Willow (57:29):
process,

William (57:30):
Yeah.
It doesn't.
So I feel like that's anadvantage that we have with our
PhalloFILL companie, is that wehave 24 hours a day, um, people
that are trained, that are readythere if you search for this at
one o'clock in the morning,you're not gonna get a person
saying, leave a message andwe'll text you back tomorrow
like somebody's gonna

Willow (57:45):
Talk to.
That's really cool.

William (57:48):
that works for us, not a, not a call center that, that
we're, that we contract, it'sour people.
And so, um, so they getinformation that's on our
website, but you can also scrolldown and click on, um,
locations.
And it's gonna show you everylocation.
So there's a map of the UnitedStates, Canada, and Mexico that
shows you all the locations thatwe have in North America.
And then you can click on one ofthose and be brought down to

(58:10):
that specific provider.
Or you can just scroll down andread about all of them if you'd
like.
Because they're all on therewith their, their information
about their specialty and, andtheir clinic and that sort of
thing.

Willow (58:18):
Fantastic.
Well, you were going and gettingyour um, the a LO kit.
Leah and I started dreaming upthat we should start our own med
spa in Santa Barbara, and I'vegot a nurse who will come and do
the training with you, so it'sall in the works already.

William (58:35):
Good.
Have you, have you named theclinic yet?

Willow (58:38):
Have we named the clinic yet?
Santa Barbara.

Leah (58:41):
ago, so we'll have

William (58:42):
I haven't heard manhood.
Somebody the other day I wasthinking, why has nobody offered
a clinic called manhood?

Willow (58:47):
Manhood.
I like that.
That's very good.

William (58:51):
We had a, we have a documentary, um, being filmed
about PhalloFILL.

Leah (58:55):
Oh wow.
That's amazing.

William (58:57):
we just,

Willow (58:57):
that coming out?

William (58:59):
they, so they finished the final, um, the video.
So it was purchased once alreadyand the production company.
Came up with some differentideas.
It's a 90 minute film and theywanted to add a few little
things to the, to the editing.
It has to be finished by today,like today was the last day of
editing.
They're submitting to theSundance Film Festival in two
weeks.

Leah (59:19):
Wow.

William (59:20):
They think

Willow (59:20):
That's huge.

William (59:21):
chance for it to premiere at the Sundance Film
Festival.
They only take 20 nonfictionfilms out of 2000

Leah (59:27):
Wow.
Yeah.

William (59:29):
But it will end up at the Sundance Film Festival,
maybe South by Southwest inAustin, or maybe like Tribeca
Film Festival.
It will debut one of those.
And then, um, the hope is, isthat maybe it gets picked up to
go to some of the, the, youknow, the, um, the, the theaters
that are, um, for independent

Willow (59:47):
The alternative.
Yeah.

William (59:48):
Yeah, that, that sort of thing.
And then hopefully a streamingnetwork like HBO or Netflix is
gonna pick it up.
But it's, it talks about, um,the development of PhalloFILL.
It, um, follows me back to myhometown and, you know,
interviews my childhood friends.
And I don't know if you guysknow that I took a case to the
US Supreme Court that was alandmark case that, and it talks

(01:00:09):
a little bit about that.
And, um, follows a couplepatients that were ful patients,
and this is in my personal life.
And, and so it's, it's a littlebit about all of that.
So I'm, I don't know whysomebody wants to watch a, a 90
minute film about me and

Willow (01:00:24):
do, I wanna

Leah (01:00:26):
I would, yeah.

William (01:00:27):
Like the

Willow (01:00:28):
do we find out when and where and all that.

William (01:00:31):
I don't have any information.
It's stuff that we're waiting tosee if it gets picked up by Sun
Dance Film Festival.

Willow (01:00:35):
But we need to get on your newsletter or I'm

William (01:00:38):
Well, I'll tell my, so my PR guy is, um, is going to be
keeping track with people thatmay want to do interviews again
once the film comes out and so

Willow (01:00:48):
Make sure we're on

William (01:00:48):
well make sure that you, that you're on there.
So, um,

Willow (01:00:51):
Our people wanna watch it.

William (01:00:53):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be very interesting.

Leah (01:00:54):
Yeah.

William (01:00:56):
so, it's had good feedback.

Leah (01:00:58):
I know we're getting close on time, but I do have two
questions maybe to wrap this up.
One is, I'm sure this is a verysensitive, awkward thing to talk
about.
Um, I imagine people are, areembarrassed.
Is there anything that you cansay to someone who's like, I
would really like to seek outhelp, but when I think about
making a phone call, I am just,I, I, I don't know what to say.

(01:01:22):
I feel embarrassed.

Willow (01:01:23):
Call the PhalloFILL network.
Call the

William (01:01:25):
Well, you know, it's taboo to talk about and, and
we're trying to change that.
Breast augmentation was taboo inthe seventies.
Look at

Leah (01:01:32):
Oh, really?
Huh?

William (01:01:34):
I mean, it was taboo to talk about, you know, in the
seventies you didn't, it wasn'tas, it wasn't as easy to talk
about and now you can discuss itat the dining room table with
your family, who you're gonna

Leah (01:01:42):
right.

William (01:01:42):
you're gonna do your enhancement.
So we're hoping that, you know,in the next five to 10 years,
PhalloFILL is progressing or pinon growth enhancement talks are
progressing.
We really hope that the film isgonna be, you know, an
icebreaker for like, a lot ofguys like, Hey, did you see that
film?
Um.
Called whatever they decide tocall it.
And, um, and maybe be able toopen up some conversations.

(01:02:03):
I have come out and I'm nowtalking about my enhancement
experience and in the film, andactually you're gonna see my, my
penis in

Willow (01:02:11):
We get to see.

William (01:02:12):
I was told, I mean, they filmed, uh,

Willow (01:02:15):
see your penis.

William (01:02:17):
well, they, they filmed like every aspect of my life.
I mean, I, they've film me ontrips, on vacations.
They, they, everything.
So they, I would wake up in themornings and they would like
have the, the camera crew wouldbe set up in my bedroom, so they
would watch from waking up toshowering and going through the
whole process.
And so I think that there is ashower seat.

Willow (01:02:35):
What was that like for you?
How was all that?

William (01:02:38):
well,

Willow (01:02:39):
How was that for you?
What was that like for

William (01:02:40):
it doesn't, you know, I'm not

Willow (01:02:42):
were good?
Yeah.
Clearly you're an open book.

William (01:02:45):
and so yeah, I've been doing all that sort of stuff for
years.

Leah (01:02:48):
Now can people see before and afters, um, on your

William (01:02:50):
On our, our website,

Leah (01:02:51):
Get a feeling.

William (01:02:53):
I, we have the largest gallery of before and afters of
any growth enhancement companythat I've seen, and we have, we
have over 60 that are on there.
I have probably another 60 thatI have tagged that need to be
uploaded, but I'm so busy withtraining people and trying to
run a clinic that I just can't,I haven't been able to get'em on
there.
I have to go through and countthe syringes and look at the,

(01:03:14):
the pre size and the post size.
And there's a lot of informationI've gotta tag to go with it.
Plus we have to make sure thatwe have the correct medial
releases in place for them to beon our

Leah (01:03:22):
Yeah.
Right.

William (01:03:23):
um, so I, um,

Leah (01:03:25):
Well, for people to, to, and people can find that gallery
www.phallowfill.com.
Yep.
So that's, that'sP-H-A-L-L-O-F-I-L L.com.
And then, um, that was one of myquestions.
There was a final one.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
Where do you see this industryheaded, like in the next five to

(01:03:49):
10 years?

William (01:03:50):
Okay.

Leah (01:03:51):
Do you got a feeling for that?

William (01:03:52):
I, this is exploding so fast.
Um, so my clinic personallyhere, I've had my clinic doing
growth enhancement for fiveyears.
Each year we are busier andbusier and busier.
Our numbers go up as far as oursales go.
And then I also wanna prefacethat by saying that, um, when I
first started doing growth,enhance in Dallas, it was me.

(01:04:13):
And now if you Google penilegrowth enhancement in Dallas,
there's 25 providers.
So I'm still increasing mybusiness, um, size every year,
but there's also 25 times moreproviders in Dallas that are
offered it than I am.
So that means thatexponentially, the amount of men
that are having the proceduremust be exploding.
And we know that men have alwayswanted to change the size of

(01:04:36):
their penis.
Every man.
Deep down whether or not theywanna admit it, generally would
like

Willow (01:04:40):
Even if they have a big penis, they still wanna,

William (01:04:43):
so many greedy men that come in here.
I said, your your penis is

Willow (01:04:46):
it's huge.
Yeah.
And they're like, I want abeggar.

Leah (01:04:49):
Big giant up inside.
You know, sometimes that's alittle overwhelming.

William (01:04:53):
It can be, but but I think that the, the, the need is
out there and it's just noweducating men to let them know
that it's safe and that it'sundetectable and that if need
be, it can be reversed and thatit's not so, um, crazy to want
it and to ask for it otherpeople are doing it.
Lots of other people are doingit.

Willow (01:05:13):
Mm-hmm.

Leah (01:05:14):
Well, on that note, this is really cool.
What a joy to have you on.
Um, your total delight.
And it's wonderful the work thatyou're doing, and I can just
imagine how many people aregonna feel more secure and
confident about how they loveand how they feel about their
body and how they even talk tothemselves in their own head

(01:05:34):
because we can be so criticalwhen we don't like our body.
Um, it can be so healing thistype of process and procedure.

Willow (01:05:41):
One more

William (01:05:42):
I've had men that have come in here and they've had the
procedure done, and then theycome back three months later and
they say, you will not believewhat this has done.
Not just for my, my sex life, myrelationship with my partner,
but in, but in my everyday life.
You know, with my friends, I,big dick energy is real.
And, and, and men say, I'vegotten a promotion, I've been

(01:06:06):
rejuvenated in my, in my companyThat was stagnant for years.
And, you know, and I'm, I'mdating again and, you know, and
I'm having more sex and I'm, I'mhappy to take my clothes off
now.
I used to like always wanna bein a dark room or, you know, it
really does change so much abouta men.
And I love, I've always lovedworking in aesthetics.
But this is, is particularly,um, rewarding.

(01:06:29):
Rewarding, having the aestheticchange that is undetectable and
really looks good, but also justthe stories that you hear about
the changes that you make insomeone's life.

Willow (01:06:39):
Ugh, love that.
Thank you so much for the workyou're doing.
We had so much fun with you

William (01:06:44):
Yeah, this has been fun.
I hope that I do come back andsee you sometime.

Leah (01:06:47):
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Anytime.
So y'all, the show's not over.
We still got the dish with meand Dr.
Willow, so don't go anywhereagain.
Thank you so much, William.

William (01:06:58):
Thank you.

Leah (01:07:01):
Okay.

Announcer (01:07:02):
Now our favorite part, the dish.

Leah (01:07:08):
Well, dish time.

Willow (01:07:09):
I love William Moore.
I love what he is doing.
I love the way his mind works.
I love anyone who thinks reallybig picture.
You know, I feel like he's a,he's a big picture kind of
thinker and that's his, and thenall his, um, you know, work
within medi spas over the years.
And then learning about the howto, how to create this oph fill

(01:07:33):
and the sleeve.
The sleeve.
That's such a crucial piece.
I think that, um, yeah, I justlove the way his mind works,
love his brain.
Cool guy.

Leah (01:07:42):
Yeah, I, um, I also am really touched by his
willingness and his bravery tospeak about his own insecurities
and how, what led him on apersonal note to be interested
in penis enhancement, becausethat's a really sensitive topic
and it's a rare man who wouldtalk about that publicly

Willow (01:08:05):
Absolutely.
I mean, and all the things hewent through to like figure out
the best plan forward, you know,with his own penis.

Leah (01:08:13):
and I think too, like when you think about breast
augmentation, like a lot ofwomen who've had breast
augmentation don't really try tohide it, you know, or pretend
like they haven't

Willow (01:08:23):
No, they, they wanna flaunt it actually.

Leah (01:08:25):
Well, yeah, but I wasn't always that way.
You know, like we've had friendswho've had breast augmentation
and it, they, you know, theywould swear a friend of secrecy
that they had, and then the bigbetrayal when that friend told
somebody else,

Willow (01:08:38):
Oh, I never, I never had that experience with anyone.

Leah (01:08:41):
Oh really?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.
No, um, there's lots of women,so I'm just saying I like that
he brought up that comparison.
Like we're, we're not, we don'tlook at that as a big deal
anymore.
So what, you get enhancementhere and there.
It's becoming very, verynormalized and I think that's
really great.
Um, I think whatever you'regonna do that makes you feel
good about being in your ownskin, you should be liberated.

(01:09:04):
Fucking go for it.
I mean, I've spoken on here how,uh, going through all the body
drama that I've had over theyears and times that I felt
really unsupported regarding thelengths of which I needed to go
in order to heal parts of thatfor myself are choices.
A lot of people would frown uponwould go, why can't you just do
it naturally?
Well, I don't know because Icouldn't spent 20 years trying

Willow (01:09:26):
Right, exactly right.

Leah (01:09:27):
and uh, yeah.
So there're gonna be just somuch shame around wanting to be
different than the way you areand pursuing that.

Willow (01:09:37):
Yeah.
I mean, and there's so much, youknow, societal, um, pressure and
like, this is what's beautifuland this is what's hot and the
cock should be this size andbreast should be that size and,
you know, waist should belooking like this.
And it's, it's really, um, it'sin our faces and in our heads

(01:09:58):
on, on such a constant,consistent, um, level that it's,
it's hard when we're swimming inwater, it's hard not to get wet,
you know?
So like we all are sitting withthis consciousness that we're
supposed to look a certain way,that sex is supposed to sound a
certain way and act out acertain way, and, and it really
takes away from what'sauthentically true for us.

(01:10:21):
And also, you know, there'sdiscomfort in the body that
there's pain and there's thingsthat go on in the body when
we're different sizes andshapes.
And so I really think there areso many, so many wonderful
things these days that can helpus find the body that works for
us, that makes us feel confidentout in the world because that's

(01:10:44):
the world we're living in we'reswimming in the water.
And also, um, that make us feelgood as far as like our
flexibility, our strength, andour ability to move around in
our bodies.
These are our vehicles, likelet's do what we need to do to
take care of them.

Leah (01:11:00):
Yeah.

Willow (01:11:01):
I will say, I mean I used to have some judgment on
breast augmentation'cause I'msuch a naturalist as y'all know.
But I mean, over the years I've,I've just applaud women.
I'm like.
Good job.
God bless.
Good for you.
You got what you needed and youlook great.
You know, and I, I'm such asupporter of, you know, just
people getting to the point thatthey are gonna feel like they

(01:11:25):
can walk more authentically andmore confidently through the
world.
'cause the world is fucked upenough as it is.
Like, we need to feel good inthese vehicles.

Leah (01:11:35):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I hope more and more people arebecoming less judgmental of
other people who choose tomodify their body in ways that
feel right to them andnaturally.
I also don't wanna like alsojust diminish that there are
ways that people go too far intheir search for perfection and
they're actually doing theirbody harm and their minds and

(01:11:56):
things start to become more, uh,pathological and

Willow (01:11:58):
It's all should be in balance.
Yeah.
It all should be in balance.
Yeah, I was, um, I, I liked toslip in the peptide thing in
there,'cause I'm using peptides,I'm using bioidentical hormones.
Those things are working for meat this point

Leah (01:12:13):
And things that five years ago, you probably would've
never,

Willow (01:12:16):
no, definitely not five years ago.
I was like, mm-hmm.
But they are, they are stilllike natural things, you know,
naturally occurring in natureand whatever.
Not that I, you know, again,there's my, my

Leah (01:12:27):
Qualifying

Willow (01:12:28):
old judger.

Leah (01:12:30):
it's only okay if it's natural.

Willow (01:12:32):
totally, totally.
But, um, but yeah, I think, youknow, I'm just geeked out on
helping people find their rightweight and find their right, um,
chemistry of their hormonesthese days.
Because it's, it changeseverything in your life, not
only your body and how you feelwalking around, but it changes
your mind.
It changes your spirit, itchanges your heart, and it gives

(01:12:54):
you a lot more availability tobe in presence with the people
that you are encountering inyour life.
And that's what we're alwaysteaching in Tantra camp is like
how to be a avail, like how toopen your capacity for more joy
and pleasure and whatever'scoming through, you know, how to

(01:13:15):
be more available and morepresent.

Leah (01:13:17):
I also really liked that we touched about the whole hair
loss thing.
Um, I thought that was reallyinteresting.
And would love to learn evenmore about that.
Um.
Yeah.
So, gosh, and I really justliked who William was.
I just enjoyed his, that, thatgot that Dallas thing going on.
Um, and was just so open andgenerous with his time.

(01:13:40):
I know we spent a lot more thanjust an hour with him.
And, uh, yeah, I just, I, Iwanna watch his movie like.

Willow (01:13:47):
Oh, I can't wait to watch this movie.
Can't wait to Also, just so youall know, we had to do three
different, we had to start therecording with Mil William Moore
three different times because ofinternet issues and tech issues.
And he was gracious

Leah (01:14:02):
rescheduled him like five times, like over a year.

Willow (01:14:04):
he was, every time he's been so gracious, like what a,
what a saint.

Leah (01:14:09):
I was really impressed by like, you can get that much
girth like you, you keep gettingthis treatment and you can get
fuller and fuller.
And it was more than

Willow (01:14:17):
two inch.
Well, an inch with was like thefirst, you know, four
treatments, I think it was.
It's like a quarter of an inchfor each treatment.
I know.
I wonder what that feels like.

Leah (01:14:27):
But then like, how does the head look if you're only
putting volume in the shaft?

Willow (01:14:33):
Well, a lot of times heads are more of a mushroom top
anyway, so they're bigger thanthe shaft anyway, so maybe it
just looks a little bit morelike a full cylinder in the end
for most men.
But I mean, every man'sdifferent.
Every penis looks so different.
So,

Leah (01:14:47):
God, I cannot wait to see the before and afters.
I am gonna go look for yes.
Like I'm so curious.
No, it's also on his website.

Willow (01:14:55):
oh yeah.
On the website, right.

Leah (01:14:56):
So if you're looking, you know, we always add you guys,
um, so many links and so manyresources to all of our show
notes.
Like, I really make an effort.
I want you to know I make a big

Willow (01:15:09):
Leah puts a lot into those links.

Leah (01:15:12):
So if you think like you heard something, um, really
interesting and you wanna fallback on that, like I got you
covered.
You gotta go to our websitewhere we, um, put a blog post on
the episode, an audio file forthe episode and the video file
of the episode so you can read,watch, or listen to it in any
medium that you want.
And that's where you can alwaysfind the links.

(01:15:33):
And if you are listening to uson like, let's say, uh, Spotify
or Apple, or you're watching uson YouTube, the link to find
those links.
I was always in the show notesin the description of the
episode, so, uh, please hookyourself up.
Yeah, I got you.
I got coupon codes for you.
All sorts of cool shit

Willow (01:15:54):
Leah's looking out for you guys.
Yeah, exactly.

Leah (01:15:59):
Oh, okay.
Well, uh, thanks for tuning in.
Please like, subscribe andcomment and we will see you on.

Willow (01:16:06):
Chacho.

Announcer (01:16:07):
Thanks for tuning in.
This episode was hosted byTantric Sex Master Coach and
positive psychology facilitator,Leah Piper, as well as by
Chinese and Functional Medicinedoctor and Dallas Taxology
teacher, Dr.
Willow Brown.
Don't forget your comments, likesubscribes and suggestions
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