October 22, 2024 • 37 mins
Discover how Dr. Patrick Robinson's unexpected journey from theater enthusiast to trailblazing nurse offers vital lessons on dedication and resilience in healthcare. Raised in a family where medicine was the norm, Patrick's career took a pivotal turn during the height of the HIV/AIDS epidemic, a time marked by fear and prejudice. Join us as he recounts the challenges faced by healthcare professionals in the pre-antiretroviral era and the courage required to provide compassionate care amidst widespread stigma. Patrick's personal stories serve as a testament to the power of commitment and the impact of early influences on his life and career.
Our conversation doesn't stop at personal anecdotes. We explore the evolution of nursing leadership and education, with Patrick sharing insights from his rise to influential academic roles, supported by mentors like Dr. Joan Shaver. He highlights how professional associations, such as the Association of Nurses in AIDS Care, are key to career development and fostering a sense of community. As we look to the future, Patrick's optimism is contagious, especially as he discusses the role of online education and simulation in revolutionizing nursing practice. Celebrate with us the innovations in nursing education and the bright future awaiting the next generation of dedicated nurses.
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Welcome to The Sim Cafe, apodcast produced by the team at
Innovative Sim Solutions, editedby Shelly Houser.
Join our host, deb Tauber, andco-host Jerrod Jeffries, as
they sit down with subjectmatter experts from across the
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globe to reimagine clinicaleducation and the use of
simulation.
So pour yourself a cup ofrelaxation, sit back, tune in
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Deb Tauber (01:30):
Welcome to another episode of The Sim Cafe.
Thank you for joining us.
We have Jerrod Jeffries, andtoday we are very fortunate to
have Dr Patrick Robinson.
Dr Robinson, why don't you tellour listeners a little bit
about yourself?
We talked earlier.
You said we could call youPatrick, so thank you.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (01:48):
Absolutely Well.
Hello Deb, hello Jerrod, it'ssuch an honor to be with you
today.
So I'll just give a little bitof background on myself.
I've been a nurse for 35 yearsand I started off as an HIV AIDS
nurse, clinician, clinicalspecialist in HIV case
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management and then eventuallymade my way into some critical
leadership roles in the HIV AIDScommunity in the city of
Chicago.
Always wanted to be a professorfrom my early days in my own
nursing education, so Itransitioned to a fairly
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traditional type of faculty roleand taught and maintained a
program of active research forabout 10 years and then realized
that I did have the will tolead and hopefully the will to
lead well.
So I started in my academicleadership career and over the
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past decade or so I've been adean a couple of times.
I was the provost for a largeschool.
I actually did serve as thepresident of a small school in
Kansas City small college inKansas City for a period, and
most recently I took on thechallenge of being the vice
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president of nursing for PacificCollege of Health and Science,
and we're located in New YorkCity.
Deb Tauber (03:24):
Thank you.
Now, what inspired you topursue a career in nursing and
then later specialize in HIVAIDS care?
Dr. Patrick Robinson (03:31):
Well, I always wish there was sort of a
greater epiphany story.
There isn't.
I raised in a medical family.
I was raised by a physicianfather and a nurse mother, so it
was kind of the family business.
I was always drawn to theaterso I am a recovering actor but I
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decided I needed a backup planand nursing was that backup plan
.
I remember from the time I wasa very young child my dad would
take me on rounds with him tothe hospital and he'd sit me at
the nursing station and thenurses were so kind to me.
So from very early on I sort ofgot the idea that being part of
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a nursing unit, a nursing group, was very special.
Think about, you reallyprobably couldn't do that today
and it probably wasn't a verywise thing to leave a child at
the nurse's station when nurseswho were very busy.
But once I started I really knewthat the impact of this career
could be great.
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When I graduated from my BSNprogram it was at a very dark
time in the HIV epidemic in thiscountry and many of the people
I loved and that I knew weresick were dying and I decided
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that it was going to respondwith my whole self instead of
with fear, and the way I didthat was to dedicate my
professional life to HIV, aidsnursing care, and it was an
extraordinary time.
You know I look back on myclinical career as really some
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of the most.
I witnessed some of the mostexquisite nursing that I think
there is just because nursingwas at the center of AIDS care.
You know this was the yearsbefore antiretrovirals and so
forth, so I really got to bequite the full nurse and use the
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whole comprehensive set of myskills Very, very big privilege
in my career.
Deb Tauber (05:53):
Thank you for your contributions and all the things
that you've done.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (05:57):
You're welcome, thank you.
Jerrod Jeffries (06:00):
And Patrick, was that also around the same
time as the Ryan White area aswell?
Well, I grew up in Indiana.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (06:07):
So I sort of witnessed the Ryan White saga
.
Now, not the, I mean, there'sthe federal why and write money,
and then there's the boyhimself, Ryan White.
So I was in nursing school whenRyan White was being thrown out
of school in Kokomo, indiana.
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So it was at the time of theheight of the fear of the HIV.
And actually it was interesting, I was actually Ryan White died
in Riley Hospital for Childrenand I was actually working at
Riley at that time.
I certainly wasn't his nurse,but I was in the hospital the
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day he died.
So yeah, that was at the timeof the great hysteria, the great
fear.
Jerrod Jeffries (07:01):
Tragic time, for sure.
But let's also look at, youknow, the individuals who kind
of contribute into the space toyou know, don't let fear, put
them down, but do the oppositeof help drive the change and,
you know, create somethingbigger and better out of it as a
young man coming out at thattime it certainly would have
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been easy to give in to fear.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (07:27):
You know so many of us thought we weren't
going to live into our middleage or even old age.
You know we didn't know a lotabout it back then.
So it was really quite brave ofso many people and my
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colleagues to go into the fightand many people we were
stigmatized in very much thesame way as some of the patients
like why do you want to do this?
And I know I worked with manypeople, especially women, whose
husbands and families reallycouldn't understand it and were
very apprehensive about themworking with patients with HIV.
It was a very different time,especially when you think about
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what we've come to now, whereHIV is very much a chronic
disease.
I can't keep up on thepharmacology.
The first pharmacology lectureI gave on HIV we had one drug
with one in clinical trials andnow we have injectables that you
take once every other month andyou're living a normal lifespan
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and with good quality of life.
It was amazing to see theentire history of this epidemic
and the medical care.
Not many people get to see thatand something that they're so
passionate about.
Deb Tauber (08:46):
Well, and I think, how has your role evolved from
being a nurse to becoming anacademic leader in nursing
education?
Jerrod Jeffries (08:54):
And an actor and an actor.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (08:59):
I do spend , like I told you.
So right now I'm in New YorkCity.
So one of the best parts aboutthat in addition to the job, now
I live half the week in Chicagoand half the week in New York,
so I spend those time in greattheater cities, so I gorge
myself on every type of theater.
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You can imagine and you know so.
I, very early in my nursingeducation, was really drawn
towards my nursing instructors.
I went to Indiana University.
Indiana University was anextraordinary school.
It still is an extraordinaryschool.
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I'm very passionate about myalma mater school.
I'm very passionate about myalma mater.
In the days I was there, I wasreally supported and nurtured by
this incredible group of women.
You know you hear a lot of badstories about how students are
treated, bullied and civility.
Iu was the antithesis of that.
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I was surrounded by such loving, caring women who were
constantly lifting, you know,their students up.
So you know I really got thebug, for this is something I can
do and this is something that Ithink is going to make me happy
.
And as much as I loved patientcare, I loved being in the
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clinical setting with students.
I loved being in the classroombut really being in the hospital
with students just kind of wasmy jam.
In fact it was the most fun Iever had in my career and if I
was still clinically competentit would be my retirement plan.
But I don't think that's goingto happen.
Going to happen, so you know.
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And then, from that love ofstudents and the love of my
colleagues, I witnessed somepoor leadership in academic
administration.
I thought you know what.
I think you can do this.
I think you might be able to doit better.
I think you got a good head onyour shoulder and I was just
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very privileged to have greatmentors early in my academic
career who gave me opportunities, opened doors, gave me the
permission to do thingsdifferently, did not want to fit
me into their boxes.
One of my greatest mentors I'mgoing to talk about her a lot is
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Dr Joan Shaver, dean Emeritusat Chicago and Dean Emeritus at
the University of Arizona, and Iwent to UIC as her postdoctoral
fellow.
I was a biobehavioral nurseresearcher.
I did some cool stuff.
I looked at stress attenuationand immune reaction to
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meditation and yoga very hot atthe time and Joan was a
physiologist.
But she really saw in me that Iwas very creative and I wanted
to do things beyond my science.
So, as where some people weretelling me, don't spend time
with your students, forget aboutthis, focus on your career, she
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said basically, you know, youdo you, and gave me my first
leadership position as anuntenured assistant professor
and I thank her to this daybecause that led to all kinds of
great things.
Deb Tauber (12:26):
Yeah, Someone who believes in you Absolutely Right
.
Can you share your mostimpactful moments or challenges
that you faced during yourcareer in nursing and in health
care?
Yeah, I think that certainlyone of the.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (12:42):
It's interesting, they're small
moments, they're subtle moments,but I think really early in my
career it was my presidency theAssociation of Nurses in AIDS
Care.
I'm a firm believer in the roleof the professional
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associations and theprofessional societies in career
development because that'swhere you meet the movers and
the shakers, that's where youmeet the people who can lift you
up.
So really from very early on Igot the association bug on.
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I got the association bug andwhen I went into my first
meeting and I saw the presidentat the time of Annex, someone
who's actually quite well knownhis name is Cliff Morrison, if
you ever saw the movie 5B, whichis the documentary about the
first inpatient AIDS unit at SanFrancisco.
General Cliff was the founderof that unit.
Cliff's still with us, but hewas the president and I thought,
wow, you know, someday I mightbe able to be a leader in this
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specialty.
It was the early 90s, I was afairly new nurse, so that honor
was enormous and the weight ofthat in order to continue the
legacy of people that I admired,who taught me the craft, who
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taught me what HIV, aids,nursing really was.
And then I think that as I moveinto my sort of academic career
.
I think the moments I want totalk about were those moments
with students and they're quietand they're gentle and they
don't come all that often, butlike when a student really
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reaches out and says thank you,you made an impact.
And now, years into this, I'mover 20 years into my academic
career.
Years into this I'm over 20years into my academic career.
I taught for my years at UIC.
I taught the first course inthe PhD program, philosophy of
Science, a dreadful course forso many, but I loved it and I
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totally turned it upside down.
You know they were reading theold dead white man and I brought
in feminist critical theory andfeminist theory and so forth.
And those folks now are nowchief nurse executives and deans
and nurse scientists and theyoccasionally will find me and
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say you know, you made a bigimpact at that.
You know very early stage in mydevelopment as a nurse scholar,
nurse leader.
So those are the things thatstick out to me.
Jerrod Jeffries (15:29):
Well, it's also .
I mean, you had someone believein you right early on and you
just delivered straight back.
It's cyclical and you know weall stand on the shoulders of
someone else and I think that'sthe beautiful thing is when you,
you, it's a give-takerelationship and I think that,
even back to these associations,right to some degree, where
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these are the places you meetpeople, because in certain
disciplines it's so thin at yourinstitution because they're not
going to employ who knows howmany within you know, whatever
unit or faculty or whatevermaybe simulation, for example,
because the numbers aren't there, but the critical mass is is
when you go nationally,potentially internationally, and
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you're able to feel that you'renot alone, you're able to feel
belongingness, you're able tofeel that community and I think
that's that's where thoseassociations and different
professional organizationsreally really add to it as well.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (16:20):
You know, Jerrod, you are so right and you
know I continue to experiencethat to this day.
So, first of all, I'm stillvery active in the association.
Disclaimer/ Innovative Sim So (16:29):
I shouldn't say I'm very active.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (16:31):
I'm still a committed member.
I go every year.
I'll be going to my 30, I think, my 33rd conference in a few
weeks, back to Indianapoliswhere I went to school, so
that's kind of special.
But I'm currently served as thechair of the board of trustees
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of the NLN Foundation forNursing Education.
So the NLN meeting, the NursingEducation Summit, is such a
special week for me.
I like to say it's the weekwith my tribe.
So you know I'm with people whosort of understand me and what
my needs are and are dedicatedto nursing education, simulation
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and the advancement of thecraft of teaching nursing.
So it is incredibly special.
And I think the old adage thatyou know you have to always
reach back and pull the nextperson up.
If you don't, you're not worthvery much, and I've always made
sure that I do that and part ofthat's selfish because I got to
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tell you that feels really good.
I think we're doing it forothers.
But you know, when we do good,especially when we do good in
someone's career, that justmakes me feel like a million
dollars, and who doesn't wantthat on a regular basis?
Exactly.
Jerrod Jeffries (18:02):
So I want to dig more into your professional
life, though, Patrick.
So what fills your day?
One, I guess, is the is themost large answer, but are there
certain types of areas ofeducation that you're spending a
lot of time in, specifically?
Dr. Patrick Robinson (18:17):
yeah, so I have the.
You know I've been lucky in mycareer because I meet really
cool people who presentopportunities to me.
So prior to last year I was thepresident of a small college in
Kansas City.
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It's a great college.
I had a sincere desire to getto a college presidency but you
know what?
It wasn't that exciting.
In fact it was a little bitunfulfilling, I must say.
There wasn't a lot ofcreativity, good board, good
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support, but yeah, I couldn'treally do what I wanted to do.
So at the same time I metreally great guy, chicago kid,
malcolm Youngren.
He's the president and CEO ofPacific College of Health and
Sciences.
He's a Chicago kid.
Dad was a noted architect, sowe bonded over sort of
architecture.
I worked for Merrill Owings,the people who built the Sears
Tower and many other.
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Skidmore Owings and I got itwrong, but anyway, at that point
we're the largest conferreddegrees in.
They're the largest conferreddegrees in traditional Chinese
medicine and acupuncture.
When I met Malcolm, he was veryinterested in expanding the
mission of Pacific College toinclude nursing and was looking
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for some thought leadership tohelp on that.
So he asked me to join theboard of trustees of Pacific
College, the board of trusteesof Pacific College.
So I did so I was on the boardand helped the other board
members, an extraordinary groupof people, people who are into
traditional Chinese medicine,expanding the worldview of
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health and illness are reallycool people, I don't know how
else to say it.
So you know, we formed thestrategy and I was thinking you
know I'm not that happy inKansas City.
I really want to do somethingvery creative.
So they were looking for nowsomeone to lead the vertical.
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So I said to Malcolm you knowwhat I'd like to do this for you
?
And he was like, would youreally?
And I said yeah.
So you know, made me an offerand I came on.
So for the last year I've beenimmersed in this incredible
community of Pacific College,creating integrative and
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holistic nursing programs andexpanding our reach also in our
medical cannabis program.
So really, the majority of thetime has been standing up an
entirely new pre-licensure BSNprogram that is founded on these
principles of holism,integrative health, which has
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been amazing and the responsehas been amazing and the
students that we have attractedhas been amazing, and, at the
same time, looking at what thefuture can be for cannabis
nursing and the future ofmedical cannabis.
So it's very much startup,co-creating with these very
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creative kindred spirits andmoving this agenda forward.
Deb Tauber (21:49):
Yeah, I can't think of a better person to be leading
something like that.
With your experience from thewhole thing with the HIV, it's a
whole new beginning for you,but it's so important and very
interesting.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (22:03):
I believe you mentioned that you're the
first school to be doing thiswith the cannabis, so we are so
there's a master's in cannabistherapeutic cannabis in in
Maryland it's in the pharmacyschool, but we are really the
first ones that are focusing onthis, with nursing in particular
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.
So it's been an incredible yearfor cannabis nursing and that
may be a new term for you andcertainly to a lot of the
listeners, but the AmericanNurses Association recognized
cannabis nursing as its ownspecialty earlier this year and
approved so that came out justin 2024?
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Yeah, actually late fall, it wasfall of 2023.
And then earlier this year, ANApublished the scope and
standards cannabis nursing.
So there's a very activeAmerican Cannabis Nurses
Association.
So there's a very activeAmerican Cannabis Nurses
Association.
They are quite the group ofclinicians and scientists.
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You know you think I don't knowwhat people think of cannabis.
You know it's.
They're not weed dealers.
I mean this is serious, seriousscience.
And amazing entrepreneurs also,most of them that are really
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developing the science oftherapeutic cannabis and what
underpins cannabis nursing, andthey're in the process of now
developing their certificationexam.
So the future really is quitebright when it comes to the use
cannabis as medicine and I'mvery proud that we, as pacific
college, are on the forefront ofthat I mean talk about a moving
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or shaker.
Jerrod Jeffries (23:54):
This is.
This is all brand new to me,but I love that it's not only
being explored, but you knowyou're, you're able to pave the
initial nursing graduates orspecialization from Pacific.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (24:06):
So yeah, you know.
So it's all based on.
You know, like when we were inschool we did not learn about a
physiological system called theendocannabinoid system, wasn't
really understood.
But the endocannabinoid systemis very prevalent throughout the
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central nervous system the CBreceptors and it really is
integral into the regulation ofalmost all the other
neurotransmitters.
And the full plant.
Cannabis has a lot of theexogenous cannabinoids that our
body makes, the endocannabinoidsthat regulate mood, health,
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sleep and everything.
So really the science is behindregulating the endocannabinoid
system with the full plant andonly THC is the cannabinoid that
most of us know about, becauseit's the one that makes you high
, but there's, you know, manyothers also and the science is
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evolving quite quickly and thenumber of illnesses, the number
of health and wellness issuesthat people are using the whole
plant for, is quite amazing.
And some of that's THC, but notall of it.
It's a mixture of all thecannabinoids.
Jerrod Jeffries (25:35):
Yeah, it is fascinating and it also reminds
me.
I mean just to draw acompletely parallel.
You have AI developers orsomething within computer
science now and of course it'staking the world by storm in a
way.
But two, three years ago, youknow, there was like people were
very uh, you know it was ofcourse a silicon valley group
and people kind of tinkering,but it wasn't in higher ed, it
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wasn't.
You couldn't go to anyuniversity and be like I'm going
to be an ai scientist, like I.
I don't.
I highly doubt that would haveexisted, but now it's probably
prominent.
So you're not doing the samething within?
Dr. Patrick Robinson (26:09):
.
We are trying, we are trying.
I'm also big into AI, so therewere good parallels.
It's changed my life actually.
Deb Tauber (26:20):
Now, how do you think the landscape of nursing
education has changed over thepast decade, especially with the
rise of online learning andsimulation?
Dr. Patrick Robinson (26:28):
Quite a bit, you know one thing that I
always get a little annoyed atand you hear this a lot at
conferences and with peoplethere's this rhetoric that
people we're still teachingstudents the same way that we
have for decades, and that'spatently false.
That is patently false andthat's insulting to nurse
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educators, nurse innovators,nursing education scholars.
We are evolving, I think, atthe same pace as any other field
, and certainly technology andsimulation has been a huge part
of that.
You know, I was educated in theera of the static mannequins
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and I got a good education right.
I mean, I think I did.
I got good jobs, got hired atthe Indiana University Medical
Center right after I graduated.
But if you look at what we'reable to do today in terms of
really driving competencydevelopment, maybe the one thing
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that hasn't changed enough andI don't know how it would change
is so much of clinicaleducation is still opportunistic
.
I mean, you're on the floor andyou got to wait for things to
happen in order to do right.
I mean, and if it's a good day,guess what?
Not a lot happens.
People are stable, respondappropriately.
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You know you get to use yourjudgment.
But this idea that you knowsimulation and all of its forms
from high fidelity human patientsimulators to screen based to
now and the virtual world.
What we can expose students toand get them thinking and doing
and acting is amazing.
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So we've we've changed for thebetter.
And then I've always been a hugeproponent of online nursing.
I for a period of my career, Iwas the dean of nursing for a
very large online nursingprogram Probably had about 7,000
, 8,000 students in bachelor's,master's and doctoral programs.
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Actually I did.
I was over public health andhealthcare administration, so
that was all of thosedisciplines.
So we know it works and at thesame time, you create access and
opportunity.
You know their higher educationand the way we used to do it
was available only to a few andto the privileged.
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So online education has openedup education to the masses.
I read yesterday a veryaggravating article in Inside
Higher Ed about the absurdity ofasynchronous learning, and it
was from a classics professor.
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So okay, consider the source.
But I guess that people can sitwith their privilege and want
18 and 19-year-olds at theirfeet, or you can not embrace
what's now new and innovative,but actually embrace what is
standard and realize that onlineeducation has been one of the
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greatest contributions toegalitarianism in terms of
post-secondary education.
So it's all very exciting andai, like jared just mentioned, I
am so excited about it.
The hand wringing just makes mesick.
I mean I don't want to sit inany more faculty meetings or in
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conferences hanging uh wringingmy hands about cheating I want
to talk about.
Well, they're doing it, I'mdoing it, you know, we're all
doing it.
I write emails with ai.
I mean stop, stop, just justthat's.
That's great.
I don't know what that means forcognitive development in in the
young mind, but what we do knowis that there is an incredible
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power in this that is going tomake us very efficient, perhaps
more effective, and leave usopen to so much more time to do
so much more at a higher level,which, you know, artificial
intelligence isn't going to, isprobably not going to get to.
So that's going to drive usinto the future in an amazing
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way.
It's like the internet, right,you know, think about you.
I'm I'm not a digital native, soI firmly remember the world
without the internet.
I typed my master's thesis on aSmith and Corona typewriter.
The first PC I ever had waswhen I was a started my PhD
program.
I still had to go up to thebooks and look in the index
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medicus and take my card aroundthe library and put the journals
in it.
Now look at, I can't, you don'tdo anything without the
internet.
Ai is going to be that way too,and I'm just happy I'm going to
still be working to see thatrevolution, because I got about
10 more years.
Deb Tauber (31:40):
Yeah, now, patrick, do you have a favorite or most
impactful simulation story?
You know what?
Dr. Patrick Robinson (31:47):
I think I do.
It's with SPs, though, one ofthe things that the day.
I like to be in the Sim Lab.
Now, I haven't taught in a long, long, long time, but I like to
go down to the Sim Lab on thepsych days when we have the
actors, and again, again.
I love theater so.
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I take this for what it is, butthe places I've been have
employed some of the mostincredible actors and who have
done the you know delusionalthinking.
You know delusional thinking,schizophrenia, manic episodes,
withdrawal, and just to seethose students be able and they
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do it so perfectly and just tosee those students be able to
manage those cases or not managethose cases, and it just makes
it so come alive for me.
Because I remember I was in alocked unit, a locked VA unit in
Indianapolis, for my, my psychrotation was the days when
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everyone smoked in the day room,including the nurses, including
the nursing students.
We had never been exposed tothat, so really gives me
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confidence that they're going tobe able to handle it.
I think the other thing youknow I've been an administrative
leader for a long time, so Ithink some of those stories are
also as I've grown in designingand working with people, as sim
labs have evolved over the yearsand having to pull things out
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that you know didn't work andretrofit, and there's this
theory about how control roomsshould work and then there's a
new theory about how controlrooms so really being part of
even though I don't teach in thesim labs of being part of the
design and ensuring that theresources are there as students
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has been very fulfilling for mealso.
Deb Tauber (34:09):
Thank you Now.
Do you have anything?
You want to leave our listenerswith Anything?
Any last closing thoughts?
Yeah, I think I will.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (34:18):
A little bit off topic than what we've
talked about, but there's somuch sturm and drang about the
future of nursing.
Obviously we're facing acritical nursing shortage.
That's not new, and our systemof healthcare is certainly not
the best in the world and wegraduate students into a system
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that is suboptimal.
All of that is true, but Idon't like to focus on that.
I like to focus on the joy thatI'm seeing in the classroom and
in the clinical setting and inthe simulation labs right now.
We have so many young people sointerested in what we do and
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I've always felt about what wedo is a sacred trust, and it is
hard for me to believe that thefuture of nursing is anything
but blindingly bright when Ilook at the wonderful people who
are choosing to go into nursing.
May not be enough of them, butI think we're going to figure
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that out also.
So I guess you know.
I just like to say when I wishthat we would talk as much about
what's very right in ourprofession and the wonder that
goes on every day and the wonderabout how we have closed the
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practice academic gap.
You know again, conferenceafter conference, you'd think
that we're not doing anything ineducation to prepare them.
And that's not true.
And just to start focusing onsome of that and telling the
positive stories.
I'm very proud of my profession, I'm very proud of what we do,
I'm very proud of being a nurseeducator and we're in good hands
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with the future nurses that Isee right now.
Deb Tauber (36:17):
Thank you, very optimistic closing thoughts.
We very much appreciate you andthank you for being a guest.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (36:26):
Well, thank you so much.
Jerrod Jeffries (36:28):
We went from HIV and AIDS professional
organizations through cannabisand THC and focusing on the
positives over the negatives,which I also can relate to.
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Welcome to The Sim Cafe, apodcast produced by the team at
Innovative Sim Solutions, editedby Shelly Houser.
Join our host, deb Tauber, andco-host Jerrod Jeffries, as
they sit down with subjectmatter experts from across the
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simulation.
So pour yourself a cup ofrelaxation, sit back, tune in
and learn something new from TheSim Cafe.
Deb Tauber (01:30):
Welcome to another episode of The Sim Cafe.
Thank you for joining us.
We have Jerrod Jeffries, andtoday we are very fortunate to
have Dr Patrick Robinson.
Dr Robinson, why don't you tellour listeners a little bit
about yourself?
We talked earlier.
You said we could call youPatrick, so thank you.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (01:48):
Absolutely Well.
Hello Deb, hello Jerrod, it'ssuch an honor to be with you
today.
So I'll just give a little bitof background on myself.
I've been a nurse for 35 yearsand I started off as an HIV AIDS
nurse, clinician, clinicalspecialist in HIV case
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management and then eventuallymade my way into some critical
leadership roles in the HIV AIDScommunity in the city of
Chicago.
Always wanted to be a professorfrom my early days in my own
nursing education, so Itransitioned to a fairly
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traditional type of faculty roleand taught and maintained a
program of active research forabout 10 years and then realized
that I did have the will tolead and hopefully the will to
lead well.
So I started in my academicleadership career and over the
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past decade or so I've been adean a couple of times.
I was the provost for a largeschool.
I actually did serve as thepresident of a small school in
Kansas City small college inKansas City for a period, and
most recently I took on thechallenge of being the vice
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president of nursing for PacificCollege of Health and Science,
and we're located in New YorkCity.
Deb Tauber (03:24):
Thank you.
Now, what inspired you topursue a career in nursing and
then later specialize in HIVAIDS care?
Dr. Patrick Robinson (03:31):
Well, I always wish there was sort of a
greater epiphany story.
There isn't.
I raised in a medical family.
I was raised by a physicianfather and a nurse mother, so it
was kind of the family business.
I was always drawn to theaterso I am a recovering actor but I
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decided I needed a backup planand nursing was that backup plan
.
I remember from the time I wasa very young child my dad would
take me on rounds with him tothe hospital and he'd sit me at
the nursing station and thenurses were so kind to me.
So from very early on I sort ofgot the idea that being part of
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a nursing unit, a nursing group, was very special.
Think about, you reallyprobably couldn't do that today
and it probably wasn't a verywise thing to leave a child at
the nurse's station when nurseswho were very busy.
But once I started I really knewthat the impact of this career
could be great.
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When I graduated from my BSNprogram it was at a very dark
time in the HIV epidemic in thiscountry and many of the people
I loved and that I knew weresick were dying and I decided
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that it was going to respondwith my whole self instead of
with fear, and the way I didthat was to dedicate my
professional life to HIV, aidsnursing care, and it was an
extraordinary time.
You know I look back on myclinical career as really some
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of the most.
I witnessed some of the mostexquisite nursing that I think
there is just because nursingwas at the center of AIDS care.
You know this was the yearsbefore antiretrovirals and so
forth, so I really got to bequite the full nurse and use the
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whole comprehensive set of myskills Very, very big privilege
in my career.
Deb Tauber (05:53):
Thank you for your contributions and all the things
that you've done.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (05:57):
You're welcome, thank you.
Jerrod Jeffries (06:00):
And Patrick, was that also around the same
time as the Ryan White area aswell?
Well, I grew up in Indiana.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (06:07):
So I sort of witnessed the Ryan White saga
.
Now, not the, I mean, there'sthe federal why and write money,
and then there's the boyhimself, Ryan White.
So I was in nursing school whenRyan White was being thrown out
of school in Kokomo, indiana.
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So it was at the time of theheight of the fear of the HIV.
And actually it was interesting, I was actually Ryan White died
in Riley Hospital for Childrenand I was actually working at
Riley at that time.
I certainly wasn't his nurse,but I was in the hospital the
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day he died.
So yeah, that was at the timeof the great hysteria, the great
fear.
Jerrod Jeffries (07:01):
Tragic time, for sure.
But let's also look at, youknow, the individuals who kind
of contribute into the space toyou know, don't let fear, put
them down, but do the oppositeof help drive the change and,
you know, create somethingbigger and better out of it as a
young man coming out at thattime it certainly would have
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been easy to give in to fear.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (07:27):
You know so many of us thought we weren't
going to live into our middleage or even old age.
You know we didn't know a lotabout it back then.
So it was really quite brave ofso many people and my
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colleagues to go into the fightand many people we were
stigmatized in very much thesame way as some of the patients
like why do you want to do this?
And I know I worked with manypeople, especially women, whose
husbands and families reallycouldn't understand it and were
very apprehensive about themworking with patients with HIV.
It was a very different time,especially when you think about
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what we've come to now, whereHIV is very much a chronic
disease.
I can't keep up on thepharmacology.
The first pharmacology lectureI gave on HIV we had one drug
with one in clinical trials andnow we have injectables that you
take once every other month andyou're living a normal lifespan
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and with good quality of life.
It was amazing to see theentire history of this epidemic
and the medical care.
Not many people get to see thatand something that they're so
passionate about.
Deb Tauber (08:46):
Well, and I think, how has your role evolved from
being a nurse to becoming anacademic leader in nursing
education?
Jerrod Jeffries (08:54):
And an actor and an actor.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (08:59):
I do spend , like I told you.
So right now I'm in New YorkCity.
So one of the best parts aboutthat in addition to the job, now
I live half the week in Chicagoand half the week in New York,
so I spend those time in greattheater cities, so I gorge
myself on every type of theater.
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You can imagine and you know so.
I, very early in my nursingeducation, was really drawn
towards my nursing instructors.
I went to Indiana University.
Indiana University was anextraordinary school.
It still is an extraordinaryschool.
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I'm very passionate about myalma mater school.
I'm very passionate about myalma mater.
In the days I was there, I wasreally supported and nurtured by
this incredible group of women.
You know you hear a lot of badstories about how students are
treated, bullied and civility.
Iu was the antithesis of that.
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I was surrounded by such loving, caring women who were
constantly lifting, you know,their students up.
So you know I really got thebug, for this is something I can
do and this is something that Ithink is going to make me happy
.
And as much as I loved patientcare, I loved being in the
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clinical setting with students.
I loved being in the classroombut really being in the hospital
with students just kind of wasmy jam.
In fact it was the most fun Iever had in my career and if I
was still clinically competentit would be my retirement plan.
But I don't think that's goingto happen.
Going to happen, so you know.
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And then, from that love ofstudents and the love of my
colleagues, I witnessed somepoor leadership in academic
administration.
I thought you know what.
I think you can do this.
I think you might be able to doit better.
I think you got a good head onyour shoulder and I was just
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very privileged to have greatmentors early in my academic
career who gave me opportunities, opened doors, gave me the
permission to do thingsdifferently, did not want to fit
me into their boxes.
One of my greatest mentors I'mgoing to talk about her a lot is
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Dr Joan Shaver, dean Emeritusat Chicago and Dean Emeritus at
the University of Arizona, and Iwent to UIC as her postdoctoral
fellow.
I was a biobehavioral nurseresearcher.
I did some cool stuff.
I looked at stress attenuationand immune reaction to
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meditation and yoga very hot atthe time and Joan was a
physiologist.
But she really saw in me that Iwas very creative and I wanted
to do things beyond my science.
So, as where some people weretelling me, don't spend time
with your students, forget aboutthis, focus on your career, she
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said basically, you know, youdo you, and gave me my first
leadership position as anuntenured assistant professor
and I thank her to this daybecause that led to all kinds of
great things.
Deb Tauber (12:26):
Yeah, Someone who believes in you Absolutely Right
.
Can you share your mostimpactful moments or challenges
that you faced during yourcareer in nursing and in health
care?
Yeah, I think that certainlyone of the.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (12:42):
It's interesting, they're small
moments, they're subtle moments,but I think really early in my
career it was my presidency theAssociation of Nurses in AIDS
Care.
I'm a firm believer in the roleof the professional
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associations and theprofessional societies in career
development because that'swhere you meet the movers and
the shakers, that's where youmeet the people who can lift you
up.
So really from very early on Igot the association bug on.
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I got the association bug andwhen I went into my first
meeting and I saw the presidentat the time of Annex, someone
who's actually quite well knownhis name is Cliff Morrison, if
you ever saw the movie 5B, whichis the documentary about the
first inpatient AIDS unit at SanFrancisco.
General Cliff was the founderof that unit.
Cliff's still with us, but hewas the president and I thought,
wow, you know, someday I mightbe able to be a leader in this
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specialty.
It was the early 90s, I was afairly new nurse, so that honor
was enormous and the weight ofthat in order to continue the
legacy of people that I admired,who taught me the craft, who
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taught me what HIV, aids,nursing really was.
And then I think that as I moveinto my sort of academic career
.
I think the moments I want totalk about were those moments
with students and they're quietand they're gentle and they
don't come all that often, butlike when a student really
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reaches out and says thank you,you made an impact.
And now, years into this, I'mover 20 years into my academic
career.
Years into this I'm over 20years into my academic career.
I taught for my years at UIC.
I taught the first course inthe PhD program, philosophy of
Science, a dreadful course forso many, but I loved it and I
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totally turned it upside down.
You know they were reading theold dead white man and I brought
in feminist critical theory andfeminist theory and so forth.
And those folks now are nowchief nurse executives and deans
and nurse scientists and theyoccasionally will find me and
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say you know, you made a bigimpact at that.
You know very early stage in mydevelopment as a nurse scholar,
nurse leader.
So those are the things thatstick out to me.
Jerrod Jeffries (15:29):
Well, it's also .
I mean, you had someone believein you right early on and you
just delivered straight back.
It's cyclical and you know weall stand on the shoulders of
someone else and I think that'sthe beautiful thing is when you,
you, it's a give-takerelationship and I think that,
even back to these associations,right to some degree, where
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these are the places you meetpeople, because in certain
disciplines it's so thin at yourinstitution because they're not
going to employ who knows howmany within you know, whatever
unit or faculty or whatevermaybe simulation, for example,
because the numbers aren't there, but the critical mass is is
when you go nationally,potentially internationally, and
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you're able to feel that you'renot alone, you're able to feel
belongingness, you're able tofeel that community and I think
that's that's where thoseassociations and different
professional organizationsreally really add to it as well.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (16:20):
You know, Jerrod, you are so right and you
know I continue to experiencethat to this day.
So, first of all, I'm stillvery active in the association.
Disclaimer/ Innovative Sim So (16:29):
I shouldn't say I'm very active.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (16:31):
I'm still a committed member.
I go every year.
I'll be going to my 30, I think, my 33rd conference in a few
weeks, back to Indianapoliswhere I went to school, so
that's kind of special.
But I'm currently served as thechair of the board of trustees
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of the NLN Foundation forNursing Education.
So the NLN meeting, the NursingEducation Summit, is such a
special week for me.
I like to say it's the weekwith my tribe.
So you know I'm with people whosort of understand me and what
my needs are and are dedicatedto nursing education, simulation
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and the advancement of thecraft of teaching nursing.
So it is incredibly special.
And I think the old adage thatyou know you have to always
reach back and pull the nextperson up.
If you don't, you're not worthvery much, and I've always made
sure that I do that and part ofthat's selfish because I got to
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tell you that feels really good.
I think we're doing it forothers.
But you know, when we do good,especially when we do good in
someone's career, that justmakes me feel like a million
dollars, and who doesn't wantthat on a regular basis?
Exactly.
Jerrod Jeffries (18:02):
So I want to dig more into your professional
life, though, Patrick.
So what fills your day?
One, I guess, is the is themost large answer, but are there
certain types of areas ofeducation that you're spending a
lot of time in, specifically?
Dr. Patrick Robinson (18:17):
yeah, so I have the.
You know I've been lucky in mycareer because I meet really
cool people who presentopportunities to me.
So prior to last year I was thepresident of a small college in
Kansas City.
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It's a great college.
I had a sincere desire to getto a college presidency but you
know what?
It wasn't that exciting.
In fact it was a little bitunfulfilling, I must say.
There wasn't a lot ofcreativity, good board, good
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support, but yeah, I couldn'treally do what I wanted to do.
So at the same time I metreally great guy, chicago kid,
malcolm Youngren.
He's the president and CEO ofPacific College of Health and
Sciences.
He's a Chicago kid.
Dad was a noted architect, sowe bonded over sort of
architecture.
I worked for Merrill Owings,the people who built the Sears
Tower and many other.
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Skidmore Owings and I got itwrong, but anyway, at that point
we're the largest conferreddegrees in.
They're the largest conferreddegrees in traditional Chinese
medicine and acupuncture.
When I met Malcolm, he was veryinterested in expanding the
mission of Pacific College toinclude nursing and was looking
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for some thought leadership tohelp on that.
So he asked me to join theboard of trustees of Pacific
College, the board of trusteesof Pacific College.
So I did so I was on the boardand helped the other board
members, an extraordinary groupof people, people who are into
traditional Chinese medicine,expanding the worldview of
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health and illness are reallycool people, I don't know how
else to say it.
So you know, we formed thestrategy and I was thinking you
know I'm not that happy inKansas City.
I really want to do somethingvery creative.
So they were looking for nowsomeone to lead the vertical.
(20:37):
So I said to Malcolm you knowwhat I'd like to do this for you
?
And he was like, would youreally?
And I said yeah.
So you know, made me an offerand I came on.
So for the last year I've beenimmersed in this incredible
community of Pacific College,creating integrative and
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holistic nursing programs andexpanding our reach also in our
medical cannabis program.
So really, the majority of thetime has been standing up an
entirely new pre-licensure BSNprogram that is founded on these
principles of holism,integrative health, which has
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been amazing and the responsehas been amazing and the
students that we have attractedhas been amazing, and, at the
same time, looking at what thefuture can be for cannabis
nursing and the future ofmedical cannabis.
So it's very much startup,co-creating with these very
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creative kindred spirits andmoving this agenda forward.
Deb Tauber (21:49):
Yeah, I can't think of a better person to be leading
something like that.
With your experience from thewhole thing with the HIV, it's a
whole new beginning for you,but it's so important and very
interesting.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (22:03):
I believe you mentioned that you're the
first school to be doing thiswith the cannabis, so we are so
there's a master's in cannabistherapeutic cannabis in in
Maryland it's in the pharmacyschool, but we are really the
first ones that are focusing onthis, with nursing in particular
(22:24):
.
So it's been an incredible yearfor cannabis nursing and that
may be a new term for you andcertainly to a lot of the
listeners, but the AmericanNurses Association recognized
cannabis nursing as its ownspecialty earlier this year and
approved so that came out justin 2024?
(22:46):
Yeah, actually late fall, it wasfall of 2023.
And then earlier this year, ANApublished the scope and
standards cannabis nursing.
So there's a very activeAmerican Cannabis Nurses
Association.
So there's a very activeAmerican Cannabis Nurses
Association.
They are quite the group ofclinicians and scientists.
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You know you think I don't knowwhat people think of cannabis.
You know it's.
They're not weed dealers.
I mean this is serious, seriousscience.
And amazing entrepreneurs also,most of them that are really
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developing the science oftherapeutic cannabis and what
underpins cannabis nursing, andthey're in the process of now
developing their certificationexam.
So the future really is quitebright when it comes to the use
cannabis as medicine and I'mvery proud that we, as pacific
college, are on the forefront ofthat I mean talk about a moving
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or shaker.
Jerrod Jeffries (23:54):
This is.
This is all brand new to me,but I love that it's not only
being explored, but you knowyou're, you're able to pave the
initial nursing graduates orspecialization from Pacific.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (24:06):
So yeah, you know.
So it's all based on.
You know, like when we were inschool we did not learn about a
physiological system called theendocannabinoid system, wasn't
really understood.
But the endocannabinoid systemis very prevalent throughout the
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central nervous system the CBreceptors and it really is
integral into the regulation ofalmost all the other
neurotransmitters.
And the full plant.
Cannabis has a lot of theexogenous cannabinoids that our
body makes, the endocannabinoidsthat regulate mood, health,
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sleep and everything.
So really the science is behindregulating the endocannabinoid
system with the full plant andonly THC is the cannabinoid that
most of us know about, becauseit's the one that makes you high
, but there's, you know, manyothers also and the science is
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evolving quite quickly and thenumber of illnesses, the number
of health and wellness issuesthat people are using the whole
plant for, is quite amazing.
And some of that's THC, but notall of it.
It's a mixture of all thecannabinoids.
Jerrod Jeffries (25:35):
Yeah, it is fascinating and it also reminds
me.
I mean just to draw acompletely parallel.
You have AI developers orsomething within computer
science now and of course it'staking the world by storm in a
way.
But two, three years ago, youknow, there was like people were
very uh, you know it was ofcourse a silicon valley group
and people kind of tinkering,but it wasn't in higher ed, it
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wasn't.
You couldn't go to anyuniversity and be like I'm going
to be an ai scientist, like I.
I don't.
I highly doubt that would haveexisted, but now it's probably
prominent.
So you're not doing the samething within?
Dr. Patrick Robinson (26:09):
.
We are trying, we are trying.
I'm also big into AI, so therewere good parallels.
It's changed my life actually.
Deb Tauber (26:20):
Now, how do you think the landscape of nursing
education has changed over thepast decade, especially with the
rise of online learning andsimulation?
Dr. Patrick Robinson (26:28):
Quite a bit, you know one thing that I
always get a little annoyed atand you hear this a lot at
conferences and with peoplethere's this rhetoric that
people we're still teachingstudents the same way that we
have for decades, and that'spatently false.
That is patently false andthat's insulting to nurse
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educators, nurse innovators,nursing education scholars.
We are evolving, I think, atthe same pace as any other field
, and certainly technology andsimulation has been a huge part
of that.
You know, I was educated in theera of the static mannequins
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and I got a good education right.
I mean, I think I did.
I got good jobs, got hired atthe Indiana University Medical
Center right after I graduated.
But if you look at what we'reable to do today in terms of
really driving competencydevelopment, maybe the one thing
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that hasn't changed enough andI don't know how it would change
is so much of clinicaleducation is still opportunistic
.
I mean, you're on the floor andyou got to wait for things to
happen in order to do right.
I mean, and if it's a good day,guess what?
Not a lot happens.
People are stable, respondappropriately.
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You know you get to use yourjudgment.
But this idea that you knowsimulation and all of its forms
from high fidelity human patientsimulators to screen based to
now and the virtual world.
What we can expose students toand get them thinking and doing
and acting is amazing.
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So we've we've changed for thebetter.
And then I've always been a hugeproponent of online nursing.
I for a period of my career, Iwas the dean of nursing for a
very large online nursingprogram Probably had about 7,000
, 8,000 students in bachelor's,master's and doctoral programs.
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Actually I did.
I was over public health andhealthcare administration, so
that was all of thosedisciplines.
So we know it works and at thesame time, you create access and
opportunity.
You know their higher educationand the way we used to do it
was available only to a few andto the privileged.
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So online education has openedup education to the masses.
I read yesterday a veryaggravating article in Inside
Higher Ed about the absurdity ofasynchronous learning, and it
was from a classics professor.
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So okay, consider the source.
But I guess that people can sitwith their privilege and want
18 and 19-year-olds at theirfeet, or you can not embrace
what's now new and innovative,but actually embrace what is
standard and realize that onlineeducation has been one of the
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greatest contributions toegalitarianism in terms of
post-secondary education.
So it's all very exciting andai, like jared just mentioned, I
am so excited about it.
The hand wringing just makes mesick.
I mean I don't want to sit inany more faculty meetings or in
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conferences hanging uh wringingmy hands about cheating I want
to talk about.
Well, they're doing it, I'mdoing it, you know, we're all
doing it.
I write emails with ai.
I mean stop, stop, just justthat's.
That's great.
I don't know what that means forcognitive development in in the
young mind, but what we do knowis that there is an incredible
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power in this that is going tomake us very efficient, perhaps
more effective, and leave usopen to so much more time to do
so much more at a higher level,which, you know, artificial
intelligence isn't going to, isprobably not going to get to.
So that's going to drive usinto the future in an amazing
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way.
It's like the internet, right,you know, think about you.
I'm I'm not a digital native, soI firmly remember the world
without the internet.
I typed my master's thesis on aSmith and Corona typewriter.
The first PC I ever had waswhen I was a started my PhD
program.
I still had to go up to thebooks and look in the index
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medicus and take my card aroundthe library and put the journals
in it.
Now look at, I can't, you don'tdo anything without the
internet.
Ai is going to be that way too,and I'm just happy I'm going to
still be working to see thatrevolution, because I got about
10 more years.
Deb Tauber (31:40):
Yeah, now, patrick, do you have a favorite or most
impactful simulation story?
You know what?
Dr. Patrick Robinson (31:47):
I think I do.
It's with SPs, though, one ofthe things that the day.
I like to be in the Sim Lab.
Now, I haven't taught in a long, long, long time, but I like to
go down to the Sim Lab on thepsych days when we have the
actors, and again, again.
I love theater so.
(32:08):
I take this for what it is, butthe places I've been have
employed some of the mostincredible actors and who have
done the you know delusionalthinking.
You know delusional thinking,schizophrenia, manic episodes,
withdrawal, and just to seethose students be able and they
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do it so perfectly and just tosee those students be able to
manage those cases or not managethose cases, and it just makes
it so come alive for me.
Because I remember I was in alocked unit, a locked VA unit in
Indianapolis, for my, my psychrotation was the days when
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everyone smoked in the day room,including the nurses, including
the nursing students.
We had never been exposed tothat, so really gives me
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confidence that they're going tobe able to handle it.
I think the other thing youknow I've been an administrative
leader for a long time, so Ithink some of those stories are
also as I've grown in designingand working with people, as sim
labs have evolved over the yearsand having to pull things out
(33:44):
that you know didn't work andretrofit, and there's this
theory about how control roomsshould work and then there's a
new theory about how controlrooms so really being part of
even though I don't teach in thesim labs of being part of the
design and ensuring that theresources are there as students
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has been very fulfilling for mealso.
Deb Tauber (34:09):
Thank you Now.
Do you have anything?
You want to leave our listenerswith Anything?
Any last closing thoughts?
Yeah, I think I will.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (34:18):
A little bit off topic than what we've
talked about, but there's somuch sturm and drang about the
future of nursing.
Obviously we're facing acritical nursing shortage.
That's not new, and our systemof healthcare is certainly not
the best in the world and wegraduate students into a system
(34:40):
that is suboptimal.
All of that is true, but Idon't like to focus on that.
I like to focus on the joy thatI'm seeing in the classroom and
in the clinical setting and inthe simulation labs right now.
We have so many young people sointerested in what we do and
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I've always felt about what wedo is a sacred trust, and it is
hard for me to believe that thefuture of nursing is anything
but blindingly bright when Ilook at the wonderful people who
are choosing to go into nursing.
May not be enough of them, butI think we're going to figure
(35:29):
that out also.
So I guess you know.
I just like to say when I wishthat we would talk as much about
what's very right in ourprofession and the wonder that
goes on every day and the wonderabout how we have closed the
(35:49):
practice academic gap.
You know again, conferenceafter conference, you'd think
that we're not doing anything ineducation to prepare them.
And that's not true.
And just to start focusing onsome of that and telling the
positive stories.
I'm very proud of my profession, I'm very proud of what we do,
I'm very proud of being a nurseeducator and we're in good hands
(36:13):
with the future nurses that Isee right now.
Deb Tauber (36:17):
Thank you, very optimistic closing thoughts.
We very much appreciate you andthank you for being a guest.
Dr. Patrick Robinson (36:26):
Well, thank you so much.
Jerrod Jeffries (36:28):
We went from HIV and AIDS professional
organizations through cannabisand THC and focusing on the
positives over the negatives,which I also can relate to.
So thank you so much, thank youAll right, happy simulating.
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