Kinetic Divination: Unlocking Your Body's Healing Power

Unlock your power to heal yourself of any obstacle and create your own destiny by listening to the language of your body with Jillian Schlager's Kinetic Divination.

After being diagnosed with cancer, Jillian discovered the revolutionary technique of kinetic divination that removes energetic blocks and enables her to take control of her health and manifest her own reality.

Here's what we cover with Jillian Schleger in this episode:
1. Learn how to unlock the ability to identify and remove blocks that are holding you back from creating your healthiest, most successful life.

2. Discover how to communicate with your body through the language of physicality to know exactly what you need and when.

3. Uncover the power of muscle testing and visualization to help you heal yourself of even the most nefarious diseases.

And much more!

Jillian Schleger is a healer and teacher with over 30 years of experience. She has combined several healing modalities to help spiritual people identify and remove blocks that are preventing them from creating their healthiest, most successful selves.

She’s dedicated her life to helping people identify and remove blocks in their lives. After her own battle with cancer, she developed Kinetic Divination, a powerful method of muscle testing to help people listen to their bodies and heal. Will experienced this first-hand and noticed that not only was his anxiety reduced, but he was able to intuitively connect with the language of his body. Through the power of visualization and meditation, Will was able to dial down the energy of his cancer from a nine to a zero. Jillian's Kinetic Divination has changed Will's life and has been an invaluable source of healing for many.

Other episodes you'll enjoy:
Vibrational Frequencies of Emotions
https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com/vibrational-frequencies-of-emotions

The Life-Changing Benefits of Breathwork
https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com/spiritual-enlightenment-through-breathwork-mind-body-and-soul-healing

Intuitive Medical Scanning & Healing - A Buffet of Psychic-ness
https://www.skepticmetaphysician.com/julie-ryan

ABOUT OUR GUEST:
Jillian doesn’t want to ruffle any feathers, but as a self-proclaimed PDA (that’s a Personal Developement Advocate) she is here to change the way Empaths and Intuitives create their realities. It hasn’t been an everyday occurrence that you get to eliminate subconscious programming and create life as though you really mean to, but that’s exactly what Jillian is here to show you how to do.

With over 30 years working as a healer and almost 20 years teaching experience Jillian has combined several of her favourite tools from a wide range of healing methodologies in order to teach highly sensitive people how to use the wounds and trauma of the past as a superpower which guides us in creating the future of our dreams.

Resources:
Jillian’s Books
https://amzn.to/3Ic2wOA

Guest Info:
Website: http://www.jillianschleger.com
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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Karen? Yes. Have you ever heard your body speak to you? I've heard your body speak to me.

(00:07):
That was private information. Wow, that's a loaded question. Well, I guess they will come
as a surprise to you then to know that our bodies talk to us all the time and not in the
way that you're talking about. Talk about hunger, stomach growling, or something like that.
Absolutely not. No. In fact, our bodies are talking to us all the time, but we're just not

(00:32):
really good at listening. Okay. Now, what have I told you that your body has the ability
to tell you exactly what you need and when it all times? Well, I wish you would tell me more
clearly. And what if just by listening to your body, you could remove obstacles and even
heal yourself of some of the most nefarious diseases out there? That would be incredible.

(00:56):
Well, you're in luck as today, we're speaking with someone that's here to show us just
how to do that. If you've tried everything else and you're ready to be the creative director
of your own life, you're in the right place. Welcome to the skeptic, many physicians.
My name is Will. And I'm Karen. And unlike Molder and Scully. Both, one of the least. So,
we've embarked on a journey of discovery. We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the

(01:19):
spiritual and metaphysical world. We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences.
I even joined a covenant of witches. And wait, you joined a covenant? Yep. All in the interest
of finding something. Anything that will prove that there's something beyond this physical
three-dimensional world we all live in. This is the skeptic metaphysics.
[Music]

(01:50):
Karen, you remember a very good friend of the shows, The Oralion. Of course.
I had to share this because she sent me an email just yesterday that really moved me. And she didn't
have to do this. But she took the time to send us an email. This shows you the kind of person that
Lyra is. She took the time to do this. Well, well back, as some listeners will remember,

(02:15):
I released a past life regression after a lot of thought and consideration. I wasn't sure I was
going to release it. But I did Lyra actually gave me a past life regression. It was very successful.
I visited it three or four different life. And there were some personal stuff in there. I released it
as is when I finally did. But for some reason, I don't remember not letting Lyra know. But apparently

(02:37):
I didn't that I released it. So it just so happens to be coming through some videos to put together
some highlights and things like that. And came across the regression. And she got a message from
her spirit guides. And she felt the need to tell me what this was. And I'm going to share that with you today.
She says, Hey, Will, in parentheses and Karen says, I hope you are all well. I was putting together

(03:02):
some of my interviews for highlight reels for Instagram. And I came across your past life regression.
I didn't know you posted it. Sorry Lyra. Anyway, while I was listening, my guides came in with a message
for you. And I'm very touched that they would actually take the time to send her message for me.
Well, it's about you being highly evolved or elevated for our discussion that quote unquote,

(03:25):
"cool spiritual things don't happen to you." But I say all the time, right? Well, she says,
they told me to tell you that you are highly evolved. The reason being you were readily able to go into
past lives and did it well when a lot of people have difficulties regressing. And they want you to know,
"Don't know." They want you to quit trying quote unquote and allow things to happen. You are already there.

(03:51):
I know, I know, I know, I've heard it so many times Lyra, thank you and thank your guides for sending
me this message. It's like the universe hitting me over the head with a message over and over again
until finally. At some point, I will listen and I will learn. But I, it's just so hard for me to just

(04:13):
let go and let things happen. What are you letting go of? The expectation. I mean, I wanted, I wanted
like kind of thing. Well, you know, it's kind of like, you see something and that's not good enough. Then
you want more. And then you want more. I know. Are we talking about my spiritual awakening or ice cream?
All of it. Maybe both. Yes. Well, yes, I am trying. So Lyra, thank you and your guides so much

(04:38):
for sending this message along. I am going to try to stop trying and allow things to happen. And if you
are out there like me, you are constantly trying. You were so, want it so badly that you keep trying
and things aren't happening. Maybe this message was meant for you as well. Maybe it's time for you

(04:59):
to let go. Stop trying and just let things happen. Today's special guess has over 30 years working
as a healer and almost 20 years of teaching experience. So you know, that's a great combination.
That she's combined several different healing modalities to help spiritual people identify and remove

(05:24):
blocks that are holding them back from creating their healthiest, most successful cells. And it all starts
with listening to the clues that our bodies are giving to us. Now, there's no way to really succinctly
explain what she does and how it helps people. So I'm just going to let our guests explain to herself.
Welcome to the show, Jillian Slayer. Hello. Thanks for having me. No, we are excited to have you.

(05:48):
We should set the table really quickly. Let everybody know you actually graciously
gifted each of us a session of your healing technique. And we're going to talk about that a little bit
later. But first and foremost, let's us understand what exactly did I talk about when I said
that our bodies speak to us. You were talking about flight cany theology or muscle testing.

(06:14):
And what are the... Hey, Jeff. Yeah, can you go into a little bit more detail? So flight case
theology was actually developed by a chiropractor in the 1960s. He noticed that when he was talking to
his clients and talking with something positive or true, their muscles were strong. And when he was talking

(06:35):
with something that was not true or they were fibbing about something, the answer was no to a question.
Their muscles went weak. And this is across the board. So our bodies will say, yes, to us all the time,
or no to us all the time. And we just, there is a way to listen and that way is muscle testing.
Okay. So it's not like your body, little voice nearby saying, or it's actually, you have to

(06:59):
do something, yet to test your body by doing something that allows your body to speak to you through
the language of the body, which is physicality. And you're also, you're not talking about
getting butterflies in your stomach or something like that or are you as well. That can be, I think butterflies
in the stomach for us could actually be a no-orias. Hey, what? A no-orias? Oh, a no-orias?

(07:25):
Yes, I thought you said a no-orias. I was like, oh, that's a new term. I have your heart a bit
before. Okay. So then you, you physically have to ask your body, does this taste like chocolate?
And I'll tell you, no, if it's you, you even know it. But you're not talking such a

(07:46):
minute things you're talking about like, is this good for me or not? That kind of thing, right?
Right. Yes. We want to be the conscious creator of our lives. And so doing, we want to be
able to know which path is the best one to go down to get us to our destination in mind. So how
is it that your body knows these things? Like if you're thinking about it logically, you know,

(08:09):
but your body is telling you no, and you're thinking yes, like how does your body know better than
what your brain is? Excellent question, care. Really good question. Our brain is usually
aligned and agreeing with stories, facts, and quotasia marks from other people. So we think that

(08:30):
we should grow up and be a police officer like our mom or dad or join be a doctor. But really
our soul's mission is to be a chiropractor or a librarian or something different. And so then like
your body, it's like your physical body is its own kind of consciousness that sometimes

(08:51):
it can communicate with your brain consciousness. Yeah, our brain is like a computer and what Dr. Joe
dispenses says all the time is our body is our subconscious mind. Okay, I get that that makes sense.
But sometimes it's just so hard to trust your subconscious mind or your body. Now, like if you're not

(09:12):
doing like the muscle testing that you're talking about, how would you know, I guess you wouldn't
know, I guess that's why we're all screwed up. I mean, that's why we're here. I talked about that
because people are you can't always can't always trust your intuition because your brain speaking
into ego is your it's your mask that you're wearing your body, however, there's more than just
your subconscious. Your body is your physical reality. So when people say trust your gut,

(09:36):
yeah, and really trust your body, you're right, makes sense. And getting back to the butterflies,
if we're trusting our gut, oftentimes, if you were on stage or you're about to go on stage to
get a speech or to, you know, do a podcast or do something where you're maybe a little nervous,

(09:58):
and you get those butterflies in your stomach, and somebody says to you, you know, don't be afraid.
They're assuming that those that physiological reaction is fear, but maybe it's excitement.
How do you tell? By muscle testing. You can tell by muscle testing. Yeah. So how does the

(10:18):
muscle testing process work? You met with Will first and you kind of went through a session with him.
His experience was a little different than mine. So let's talk about his first. How did that?
Like that. That's what's beautiful about this because it's different with everybody. And we
had a conversation before hitting our chord and you said, how much can we share? And I want to share

(10:44):
everything about as much as you guys want to share. I don't know. Everything is a little much.
Wait a minute. Let's talk about it. What no, it's just a flat out like, you know, I want to share
everything. Well, let's do something. Let's keep something to play with because now with your session,
now session, everything that we talked about is perfectly fine. In fact, by the time people listen to this,

(11:08):
if you haven't listened to a few episodes and talked about the cancer that was fighting,
this might be the time that you find out. In fact, in order to touch on that, we should mention the fact
that you are a cancer survivor as well. And through a course of several different things that happened,
it brought you to learning this modality. Yes, absolutely. So then when you nice spoke about

(11:33):
my immediate problem, which was prostate cancer, one of the things that really stood out to me was the fact
that you said, when you remove the energy from something, it can't survive. So essentially what we did was
we removed the energies around that thought process. And therefore that wasn't able to exist.

(11:57):
Now spoiler alert, my lives by obviously showed all benign. You couldn't see anything. I'm not necessarily
saying that this is the reason, but my question to you because we didn't not very long ago,
could it have worked that quickly? Or is this something that probably people have to wait
months and years of applying this technique before something as severe as cancer would go away?

(12:21):
I think it depends on the person and your belief and your ability to be open to change.
I've had cancer in the past. I also had something called hydrarnitis, which is cancer's nasty,
but this is nasty on a totally different level. It's where the tissue of the skin or tissue underneath

(12:42):
the skin starts to eat itself. It's almost a flesh-eating disease. And no one really knows
what it is or why it occurs. And I had it for on and off for years. And I finally just
can't really sick of no answers. So I just tried to pull the energy out of it and within a very

(13:06):
short amount of time, it went away. It dissolved and it did not come back. And this is something
you had for years. Yes. Yeah. And that's one of the interesting things I found about your modality
is that it's really about visualizing, but with an emotional connection to it. You've

(13:26):
looked at something that you're emotionally connected. There's an energy behind it. And then you physically
through visualization physically kind of bring it down to, I mean, the way we talked about it was
like a dial, like from one to ten and you just take the dial if you're feeling a tang,
just drag it down to a one. And then you see, is it still there? Is it gone? How do you feel? Is

(13:49):
it, is it? Is it anxiety still there? What numbers of that? And it's really you learn to
intuitively listen to your body without having to actually do the muscle tests. And we'll go
over the little trick that you gave us to do the muscle tests in a minute. But what I can tell you
is that there was a situation that the energy behind what happened at three years ago, whatever

(14:13):
when I was diagnosed that that was high energy, high anxiety. And by when I physically used that
dial to bring it down, it was a little stubborn and came back to probably like a eight or nine,
like hop back up to a five, forced it back down to a zero and eventually it seemed like it was
right around there, like one to three area, which was which was great. But then the added benefit,

(14:36):
if nothing else is that suddenly that that anxiety that that emotional emotions I had in me were
a lot less than it was when we first started. So this thing is really good for lots of different things,
right? It's it's not just, let's put into disclaimer, this does not substitute you talking to your
medical doctor and a whole deal. But this could potentially help you to heal some stuff, but also it can

(15:03):
help with subconscious blockages that you have as well. Yeah, that's the most fun. I think with creating
our own reality, we get this tool. And there's a lot of modalities that talk about the seed of the mind
or using something in front of you that you're looking at, like a frame in the silver method,

(15:24):
by using the connective nation tools, we're showing our body or mind or subconscious. This is what's
in my life, but I would like this instead. So with the body as a subconscious mind, we're actually
showing the subconscious, I want this, but I want that. God, you say that I love that term,

(15:47):
kinetic divination. Think I mentioned to you during our session, it's a very cool term. I had
a lot of struck with that name. That is struggle. Yeah, why is that? Because I wanted to be open for
everyone to be comfortable to use these tools. And I think there may be some people who go
to a nation actually story. I moved to Nova Scotia from Ontario and a family member said,

(16:14):
"Well, there's a health and wellness expo. Why don't you fall in the men's see if you can get a table?"
So I did. And they said, "Well, we'll check you out." That's fine. So I gave them my website. And they
went to it and they said, "Oh, yeah, you're not a good match. They didn't let me in because of the word
divination." Oh, you're kidding. Yeah. I love the name too. Some glad to hear that you like it as

(16:40):
well, but I did struggle with keeping that name. Yeah, I guess for those that aren't in this space
that we're in right now, the term divination does have a carnival type of imagery behind it, right?
The gypsy on the with the crystal ball for telling your future. And unfortunately there's a lot
of charl探ains out there that practice this kind of term around. But I guess that's a challenge.

(17:06):
The we are talking about this from a metaphysical spiritual point of view and it does help tremendously
in that sense when you take out all the woo. At the end of the day, this is really a great psychological
tool to help you to remove blocks and able to let's back to the metaphysical manifest your own reality
in the way that you wanted to. Well, I think one of the greatest things about it is that it's hands on.

(17:32):
It feels like you are back in the driver seat with your body, with your subconscious, with your choices.
It gives you a tool that you can actually physically interact with. And I like there are a few
different tools that you have because my decision was a little bit different than wills. I think
well, it's about being receptive. I think I just have a stubborn ass subconscious.

(17:57):
And then you come for it. Something, yeah, but it's like so many of the questions you was asking me,
is your subconscious willing to do is like, no, like really? I said that. Yeah, I could see that.
It's kind of bitchy. This is good for you. Shut up, say yes.
So I guess we probably have to touch on your session then, Karen, because

(18:19):
let's start with yours. Well, because we can get the contrast. Have we not been speaking about
my knowledge time? Well, really. I mean, no. Okay. So the way that it worked for us is we had a
conversation ahead of time. We talked about different challenges. And she has this really cool canvas
that she would put down keywords and it helped us to understand what it is that we're battling

(18:42):
truly at the heart of it. Not well, you know, I can't sleep well night. Right. So what's what's
hidden behind it? And we dove deeper into each one of those things until we found what we felt was the
crux of situation. And then we used a meditation or a brief meditation. We used a silver method.
And for those of you who are not familiar with the silver method, it is a really old, my parent

(19:08):
for doing it when I was six, five, six, seven years old. And they taught me some of the tenants from it.
So it was kind of an old friend to go back to something I haven't thought about in a long time.
But use a silver method, which is a account from three down to one and it gets you into the
alpha state. And there that way it kind of removes any kind of blocks that you might have between you and your body.

(19:29):
So you can communicate freely. And then after I was in that ready state, which I should mention one of
the things that you mentioned, Gillian, is that you were never able to muscle test appropriately or
correctly until you started doing a meditation. If you were to close to it, it wouldn't work for you.
Yeah. Well, we were talking about the map of consciousness. And I was in a resonance of shame,

(19:56):
which is the lowest point of the map of consciousness. It's at 20 megahertz. So to accurately,
like Dr. David Hawkins says, to accurately muscle testing, receive answers from our body,
we need to be at the energetic resonance of 200 or courage or above. So doing the silver method

(20:18):
is one way where we can unhook from the high functioning beta brain, where we're trying to analyze,
I'm totally analytical, I analyze everything. So the silver method allows us to get into the
alpha state and that detaches from the beta and then we can allow ourselves to kind of raise our consciousness.

(20:39):
And the next step that you may be talking about next is after the alpha breath we talk about and
sink and feel into the gratitude of something, some place some one that really jacks up the resonance of
our body and our mind. Right. And that's what you were saying. The muscle testing never worked for you

(21:00):
unless you were in a state of gratitude. And that makes a lot of sense because you are raising your
vibrations. You're vibrating a certain hertrate that aligns you with the language of your body.
Yeah, I'd muscle test. I'd be dating a dude. And I'd be like, oh, this is the one. This is the guy.
I can just feel it. And I'd muscle test. Is this the guy? And I'd get a yes. And then we'd break

(21:20):
up a week later. But my body said he was the guy. Yeah, my body like I'm very much.
This is a family show, Jolly. It's the best. Right now.
We can actually use that. I work with my clients sometimes to see where muscle test the body,

(21:43):
to see where you're actually attracting love for relationships or friendships or that job with that
client or that money into your life. And we should really be attracting from our hearts and oftentimes
where you're not. We're attracting people from different areas for different reasons. Which point then
she had me and I don't want to give it away just yet. But she had me do the test and I could

(22:08):
ascertain a yes from my body from a no and based on that we narrowed it down even further. Now,
we need to take a break. So when we come back, we're going to talk about exactly how you do muscle
testing so that anyone listening to this right now could do it immediately with positive results.

(22:30):
And we'll also talk about why Karen's maybe wasn't quite so positive. We will be right back.
[Music]
We're back on this skeptic. In a position today, we're talking to Jolly and Schlager who is an expert

(22:54):
kinetic divinator. How did you like how I twisted that around a little bit?
Like that. Is it divinator? Yeah. Divinator diviner diviner diviner. I know it's just reminds me of
never. We're talking about muscle testing and how our bodies speaks to us by speaking and being
contact or in tune with our bodies, we can actually help remove a lot of blockages that are keeping us

(23:18):
back not just physically but mentally and psychologically as well. And right before we went to the
break, we teased that we were going to teach people how to muscle tests. So before we go into care and
session, let's go ahead and put it out in the open. How does someone go about testing themselves right at home
right now? Yeah. So right now, and you guys can pause this take a minute and do some deep breathing

(23:44):
to connect with your body. Deep breath in, relaxing, exhaling and visualizing and repeating
two three times. Taking another deep breath in, and exhaling, visualizing and repeating two three times.
Another deep breath in, and as you exhale, visualize and repeat one three times.

(24:16):
And breathing normally, imagine someone someplace, sometimes something, a pet that you love
unconditionally. Someone's something that you're grateful for.
And imagine that gratitude, and ask that gratitude to give you an image that is clear in your

(24:46):
mind of why you're grateful for that person-place or thing. And ask your brain to turn it up,
turn up the gratitude, turn up the happiness, turn up the intensity of that gratitude.
And that this space of gratitude is when you can tune in and muscle test your body. You can

(25:13):
ask your body for a yes or no answer, but first we're going to do a baseline. And you can do different
baselines with muscle testing. One of the easiest one is pinch your finger, middle finger, and thumb
together, and then loop them together. So you're making a chain and pinch really hard and then pull

(25:34):
against each other just to test, have a baseline test. And then you ask your body, what does yes?
What does yes feel it? So you're going to say yes, yes, yes, yes, and pull against,
and it should stay strong. And then ask your body, what does no feel like, pinch, and pull,

(25:55):
yeah, and your finger has to make. Right there. And you have to be in a state of gratitude
to be thankful when you're asking the question. The other thing is, and I think a lot of,
so men and a lot of women, want to feel and be strong and independent. And then control.

(26:17):
And in that space, we're not allowing our body to feel that just a little bit of a difference between
yes and no. But the next one that I really love is just putting your dominant hand. So if you're
right with your right hand, put your right hand on your clavicle, your collarbone, put your hand

(26:39):
flat, your thumb, your fingers flat, but raise your index finger with your other hand with your
just testing the baseline, pushing down. And that finger is going to resist being pushed.
And then ask again, what does the S feel like? And what's no feeling. You just want to,

(27:00):
sometimes it's that little subtle difference between the S and no. And you connecting with your body,
you're allowing your body to shiggle you what yes feels like and what no feels like.
Karen, did that one work for you? So this is the issue that we had during my session.

(27:20):
And I don't know if it's something about my subconscious wanting to stay in control. But the thing that
I loved so much about Jillian was that she did not give up on me. And we went through a few different tests.
And somehow she got this information out of me that was nothing like what I thought we were originally
going to talk about. Because we're kind of talked about just need to feel like I can do things again.

(27:42):
And I've become invisible. And I want to be this person that I used to be. And then now I'm just,
it's all about me. Well, sorry. You opened the camera. So no, I wanted to be about you.
So by the end of the session, we realized that with my, my, yes, Gidja, whatever is this really
incredibly strong sense of emotional responsibility, I have about my family. Like I feel like I
hold all of their emotions because of me they're holding it together. Which obviously cannot be the case.

(28:07):
But when she was asking, you know, like subconscious in my higher self, I were willing to like go
of that it was like, no, because I feel like if I let go, it's going to be bad for them. And I can't
let that. Also part of your acting. And it's become such a part of me. Well, I was
not crying all the time. But at this time, it was like, it was really, it was incredible. And then

(28:32):
she, you know, we talked about the intentions and that's something I'm still doing all the time.
And thank you so much for that tool. I love that. But it was really, it was just really
it was a great session. I mean, like I said that I was like, this isn't going to work. And then I felt bad
because the stuff what working for me, but she never, never, maybe she made me feel comfortable to say,

(28:54):
yeah, it's not working instead of a feel bad. And then to keep pushing through and figuring out a way
to really discover what was going on and to help me with that. It's all feedback. And I suppose that
if you were to do this in person with a canocetologist, you put your arm out and they would push it down
or not. And then really, it's not up to you. It's your body either allowing it or doesn't. So this is

(29:18):
it's almost like a psychological mind trick that you're playing on yourself that you're not allowing
yourself to really feel the difference because it's you yourself. I understand. Yeah, I have a really
fun story. I'm writing a book for a house. It's called Dancing with Shadows. Congratulations,
that's awesome. Thank you. So kind of a pre-emptive. I went into school. So talk to the kids about

(29:41):
bullying and what it does to your body. And I had a classroom for the kids. I brought one kid up
to the front of the class with me. And I had cards with positive and negative words on them.
So the one kid faced away from the class and I showed this card to the class of the other kids
to be read the word. They did not say it. If the word was positive and they all the class was thinking

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the positive word and projecting it, thinking written on the kids back. If it was positive,
the kid tested strong. If the word was negative, the kid tested weak. And the kid never saw the word
"wow." Interesting. That's incredible. Yeah, just because I showed you that there's a physical
response that you don't have to have belief. It's there or it's not. I think when your brain comes into it,

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that's when things become a little bit more challenging for you. Yeah, we have all these stories of what
we should do or be or can do or be. That gets in the way of us creating the knife-leave desire.
And I think for me part of it was also my parent split up when I was really young. And my mother
her thing was you have to go to school. You have to be independent. You have to, you know, get your

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career. You don't need anybody. You have to be strong, strong, strong, strong, strong. So maybe saying yes to
everything to me was more of a weakness than a strength. And like you have to say no, and this doesn't work.
I don't know. I think maybe somehow my body might be a little bit muddled on what's really being strong
means, you know, an independent. So that might be part of it too. It's kind of been in

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grains since I was seven or eight years old. Sounds like you're going to have to talk to Julian A lot
coming up here. Well, and there is quantum entanglement. We become entangled with other people's
perceptions and your cheese thoughts beliefs. That's true. Now you're opening up whole other
can and worms. You know, how do you disentangle yourself at the quantum level? I think you're reading

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your Facebook posts and I love them. Oh, look at this. All around Facebook. She posts great stuff
entangling. Oh, I'll pick you disentangling is just I eject this for my body. Yeah. And you bring up
that term. I wouldn't bring up because it was so cool. We both agreed that when we when you use it
with us, we both just lit up right when we had one of the things we talked about is empathy and taking

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other people's energies or other things energies into us that doesn't really belong there. And you said
very simply just when you're doing these these types of exercises, it's a very simple phrase to tell
yourself. And that is, I eject all outside energy. And I'll tell you what, when both we both have the same

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response, that is such a powerful phrase that when we say to ourselves, it gives us a sense of peace
and reduces that energy so much that it's become our mantra now and every day mantra. And then
add to that what you told me, I claim my body. Yes, that to me. So first I'd be ejected and then I claim.

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That's my, she didn't tell me to claim. So maybe she didn't want me to claim my own body. She
wanted me to. I just had more issues. But I think men are raised to own their own bodies.
I think women, and I think in the old and age, when we had the coming up party,

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we were actually claiming, hey, we're an adult now. We don't have that anymore. Yeah. That's true.
That's very true. Yeah. So then after we tested, we did the muscle testing and we had got a
baseline as to what was yes or no. Then was the fun part. Then we started asking questions about
that particular topic that we had narrowed it down to and saying, is this mine? Is this not?

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Is this is that whatever. And then depending on the answers, we then took it a step further.
And that was the visualization process. And I loved your image of the big white board.
The number with the number to line on it. Yeah. And that's what I was talking about earlier, because
my particular challenge was a heavy duty number like 910. The energy, they was charged with such

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negative energies that through with your help. I actually asked me to grab that energy in the
timeline that was 910 and physically drag it down to a one. And then you had different versions,
one was the timeline that was straight across the white board. The other one was like a like a pendulum chart.
Thank you pendulum chart and you, you know, and that's the one that helps me. That's what I use as the

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pendulum chart. So I'm able to bring it and dial it down. And I guess maybe the act of dialing it down
also psychologically helps me to really own it in that sense. Care did you use the same?
I feel the number of line worked better from you. But this is another thing. It was like,
you know, are you willing to give some, you know, let go some of this note. That was a responsibility.

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It did change. It did get better. I think my results might not have been as good as yours,
because my subcut much more stubborn. Yeah. But it definitely did make a significant difference
from you. In full disclosure, I was dealing with cancer. Right. So I was very motivated to make
this thing work. So because that motivation, whatever, whatever it took, I was doing, I threw myself

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with a band and into this thing. And when the desire is there, I used that to quit smoking.
Wow. To quit smoking. Yeah. And I did it one time and it worked. But my desire to quit smoking was
at just the highest point. Plus what I did in somebody, anybody can use this when you're listening.

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If you're listening right now, pause it and think of a whiteboard in front of you. And just like we
use the muscle testing with the finger or you can use the arm from muscle testing. The whiteboard
is muscle testing as well. But on a quantum level, right? Because it's not, you're physically,
you're not doing anything. It's all in your mind. Yes. It is your mind. But it is your mind relaying.

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Yes or no response to your body in all the muscle testing. So even with a pendulum, a pendulum,
an any designing tool is muscle testing. Right. You actually mentioned that I forgot. You had mentioned
that some people get to the point where they don't actually have to do muscle testing. Right. You can
actually define it. You intuitively know what the answer is. As you started asking questions, is your energy

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here? Is there? I kept asking. But after a while, it would instantly, I would instantly know. And
you also did a yes or no. So which one was lit up for me? When you ask a question. And it's one of
things that it is. It's so subtle and so fast that if you think about it, you're going to get the wrong answer.
Right. It's got to be something that is just in an immediate answer. What is the first

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answer that comes to mind? And I was able to jump into it. Now people say I'm clear cognizant. That
might be something that helped. But I suddenly started being able to intuit the answer and it seemed to
work well for me. Yeah. I think using these tools again and again, we'll strengthen that. Well,
I've been using it almost daily since then. So thank you. Yeah. But they're just they're easy to use.

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I like that. It's not like how I got to do this. You know, it's like this mantra or this
visualization. And it helps. Yeah. So sure it does. Now what kind of things can you use this for? Is
anything that you can't use it for? I think the stumbling block is when we are a per emotional

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about something. That's when it kind of gets muddled. Yeah. I mean, I'm really like you to help.
Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of empaths. And this is why I'm very empathic. And I was told so many times
growing up, stopping still emotion. And I thought when I was older, there has to be a reason.

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Our bodies are so smart. So there needs to be. There has to be a reason for these emotions.
This is a way that we can use our emotions as feedback. But if we're highly emotional about something.
So yesterday, I couldn't find my cat. And I had seen a car outside my neighbors house

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yesterday afternoon. And I thought I heard them say, "Oh, we'll just take him. We'll put him in the
car and we'll take him." And then, a few hours later, I couldn't find my cat. So my brain went to
home and I was so highly emotional. There was no way I could be a good person. So I just waited,
calm down, intended for the best possible words. I would come and then hit him and a few hours

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later. Oh, I was just saying, "Quaring minds, you need to know where is the cat."
And it's hard. I think that was the issue that I had. I was so emotional at everything.
And it's like, "Will you focus on getting rid of the cancer?" And that's something that you
desperately want. And it's only a good outcome. But my mindset was, "Yes, I will feel better if I

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don't bear the responsibility of all these people's emotions." Good for me, but bad for them,
because they're going to be flailing. I mean, so there was also in my mind a negative outcome as well.
So that's where my struggle is. And I think I need to define it a little bit clearer.
Yes, my motivation was to get rid of the cancer, but talking with Jillian,

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and working with her helped me to understand that there's an energy behind that that could have
contributed to my getting it. And that is the energy that we were trying to completely
deflate. So that's what I was thinking about when I was doing that timeline. And put them it,

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I'm going to say it worked. So because then that that emotion that I was carrying around with me
is decreased tremendously. I'm hoping it stays that way. But if it doesn't, no, no, how to
bring it back down. Well, coming back to, thank you for that. And I'm so glad. So grateful
to hear that you think that this could have had an impact. But it really, I believe,

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it does when we take control of our body, our mind, in our emotions. And like I said before, I was
adding an energetic resonance of 20 megahertz, which was shame. They've actually done testing and
found that cancer grows at 42 megahertz and below. So I know that I was living in shame for decades.

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And that's such a motivating factor for me to come online bringing these tools to people.
I'm so passionate about not keeping anything hidden. I want people to know these tools.
Because they're so simple and easy. But it's not something that's intuitive. God forbid someone
in the West actually says, "Oh, just think your cancer away." Now, everyone who's in this space

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who knows anything about metaphysics knows that it is 100% possible to heal yourself. There are
full-on documentaries about healing yourself. Dr. Joe Despensa himself healed himself in with his mind
from a terrible accident that he's had and he talks about it all the time. So it is possible.
But you have to be in the right mindset. You have to have the right tools to do it. You can't just

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wish it away. There's some work you have to do. And so far, we've done caring a lot of different
healing modalities a lot. And who knows which one of them, maybe combination of them all is what helped
get get rid of it. But these tools, Jillian, that you shared with us, are so simple. And yet,

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seemingly so powerful because the minute I walked out of this room after our session, I felt lighter than
when I had walked into it. So whether it is a placebo factor, not, I loved it. And I can't advocate
enough for people to reach out to you to do this for themselves. Because it's nice to hear about it
on the show and show you can practice it yourself while you're listening to this or watching this. But please

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don't do it while you're driving a car. But there's no substitute to actually being in contact with
Jillian and having her walk you through it. She's infinitely patient. And the way that she's able to
find her way to the root of the issue is nothing short of miraculous. I mean, I had no idea. I was
going to completely different. Completely different. Yeah. Well, we, a lot of the times that our

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worst problems are so hidden from us because we're too close to it. So this really helped to reveal a lot
of things that I didn't realize that I was still carrying around with me. Yeah, absolutely. And then
another thing I liked about the session was she was telling me to take your life and put it into segments.
And just, you know, if you're going to the mall, make that be a segment and then have an intention

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for that segment. So I tried it. And I'm running like to pick up a scene of from school. Like,
hey, this is the segment, the drive to school. And it's normally a seven-minute drive and I had six
minutes to get there. I'm like, not going to get any midlights. It's going to be a great drive. I'm going to get
there on time. And just as hitting the last light, because I'll have some more green, it turned red,
but it just turned green. And I did not have to stop. I'm not saying you can do this for everything.

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And you don't want to abuse it. That's the thing. I'm like, oh, I can't do this every time.
But yeah, I don't know. I'm in there in six minutes instead of seven. Yeah, segmented.
And the thing is something that Abraham talks a lot. And when you are segmenting, look at what you
want to create, intend for, and have that intention. So next time, and look for this in

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that area that you're using segmented or creation in general, look for the positives. So you don't want
to find attracting a partner, a friend, someone to date. I don't want to say, I don't want to say, I don't want
to see a look or I say, I want someone who is conscious. So I don't want red lights and use instead,

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I want all green lights. I just was like, I'm going to get there on time. Yeah, I was going to
had one that less than normal, but I was going to get, and I did. Yeah, that's a great, great point
that we didn't talk about. You were very much about keeping it on the positive side of things.
Because everyone knows manifesting, you're telling the universe what you want, not what you don't
want. And when we're negative, we're showing the universe what we don't want. I don't want red lights.

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Oh, well. Yeah, the universe only ever says yes to you. Right. So then you say,
I always get red lights. The universe goes, yes, you're always. Yeah. And if you say, I don't want
red lights and you're saying, okay, let's keep them not wanting red lights because you keep getting red lights.
You know, the actor does think about the act of component of each sentence we say. So the act of component

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is red light. So then what you're saying is, I'm going to have all green lights and spin it in a positive.
And that really helps. Yeah. Same like, if you said, don't think of a pink elephant.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm no refuse. Okay. And I love that term segment tending segment intending.

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Oh, well, I put it all together as one and call it segment tending. He words up as you go along.
You're just great. Yeah. It's the language of will. I'm still trying to figure that out.
Yeah. It takes a lifetime. All right. Well, is there anything that we haven't talked about
jelly? Anyone make sure that we touch on it before we say goodbye? I think this is a good place to just close

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out asking people to really focus on the positive and please ask your body. Please use your body and your
emotions as feedback. See the life that you see in front of you as feedback not the end result
and be brave to choose what you actually desire. That's great. That's great. And if you are not

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understanding your body language contact William, she can translate. She's the body whisperer. Yes.
But the muscle I guess muscle whisper is probably a better budget term. Well, Jillian, I can't
thank you enough not only for coming on the show today and sharing of your wisdom but also for
sitting with us individually and helping us to go through these things and maybe helping me to get rid of my

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cancer. So let's keep that positive. Thank you so much. And if someone wanted to reach out to you
to connect what's the very best way for them to do that? In the best way, I'm always on Facebook.
So you can come reach out on my mean Facebook page or I have a website that's chelangelikeor.com.
Easy, P.D. We're going to add direct links to Jillian's website and social media on our show notes

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so you can just go to skepticmanivision.com find her episode right there in her episode show notes.
You'll see the links directly there. It's just a click away. Come once again, Jillian. Thank you
so much thrilled to have you on the show and I'm sure we'll we're going to stay in touch for sure.
And we're excited to see that book when it's done. Yes, and when you have the book, let us know
so we can put it on our on our show notes as well. We'll add a link to it. I will thank you so much.

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It's been great, guys.
Hi, my name is Bob and I am getting in touch. You guys about the Judah collective podcast.
I just listened to today. There is a study that was done by the Monroe Institute and it was

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called the Explorer Files. It was from 1974 to 1990. I think it's a collective of about 30.
Different tests over these years. And when the Judah collective, when the lady went into the spiritual world,

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the way that she spoke, it almost gives me chills. The extreme resemblance, how they speak
from how she does versus this study in the Explorer Files. I would greatly, greatly,
I'd recommend listening to that and I'll try to send you a link.

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