#30 - Logan Seavey

Rico Elmore and Ken Stout are joined in the studio by the 2018 USAC NOS Energy Drink National Midget Champion Logan Seavey. Logan currently drives the Reinhold/Underwood #19AZ sprint car as well as the RMS #91L midget. Returning as co-host is Georgia Adeline. SPOILER ALERT: There is a very special announcement in this episode!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm Logan CV and this is the skinny from fat
Head Studios and Speedway, Indiana. This is the Skinny. Well,
I thought i'd start this show off a little bit
easier than I do on other shows. So let me
start off by saying Hello, Rico, Hello kid. A lot

(00:21):
of times people think we hang out in the office together,
but truth being known, it Tune usually come down here first,
and you're in your executive suite upstairs, which I like
going in there, don't get me wrong, But it's that
it's that tub of chocolate covered almonds that you hide
in the drawer that they're really not hidden, but you

(00:43):
do keep them in a drawer that way, at least
it set aside out of mind for me. And I mean,
when I know that you're coming, I actually have Carl
take the crack covered candy and put it up so
we try to keep it out of the out of
the hands of children. I appreciate that. I mean, for sure,
I'm starting an awful little calmer today than I usually do,
because I clearly had to get out of bed early

(01:03):
to come in here and start this show today. Is
that is that the guy over there that we came
in here I got up early for Logan. See that's him. Yeah, yeah, Georgia, Hey,
how was your trip in? It was good. I came
in last night. I'm gonna go back to St. Louis
today just to see you've been in here all night.
Lovely face. It's yeah, slept down here on this bench.

(01:24):
Actually hopefully the hopefully there's no drool over there. Most
fans probably don't know that you actually what is that drive?
About five hours? You come in from St. Louis? Four
four four and a half? What are you doing a speed? Alright?

(01:46):
Three and a half maybe depending where you're going. So
when the studio with us today is a talented young
driver Logan Stevie, welcome, my friend. Thank you. It's nice
to be in here. It's pretty cool to check this
new studio. You guys got out. I think I did
one upstairs with Buckley a few years ago, and I
thought that place is really nice, and then I come
down here. This is unbelievable. Yeah, we don't let Buckley

(02:07):
down here. Yeah. Yeah, Shawn's only allowed to come in
the front door, not all the way down. We like Sean.
He's he's a great catman, for sure. I called I
called Clapper, and I said, hey man, I dug up
a little bit of information. I said, what do you
got for me on on ceaving? Of course, he read
it off a couple of things, and he said, you
can just watch my podcast if you want, he said,
I had him on there, he said, and you can

(02:28):
copy me. And I said, nah, I said, we're trying
to make this one interesting. So I thought, so there
was that. So there was that. Hey man, let's talk
about your career a little bit. I know you you
did really well coming out of Northern California. Have above Sacramento,
and I'm guessing a fair amount of time and outlaw

(02:49):
carts or carts in general, and I believe you want
a couple of championships and and those crazy things as
you were picking your way up at a young age. Yeah. Yeah,
so I just, um, you know, I I of years old.
So two thousand two, Um, outlaw carts in Northern California
just kind of kind of the typical story, you know,
it just ran um. You know, the same same racetracks
at Lars and Rico. UM, a lot of a lot

(03:12):
of Brad Sweet, a lot of guys that come from
NorCal you know, kind of kind of had the same
path and UM one up the Flasserville and ran wing
three sixties up there for about a year year and
a half. And UM by that time, I think I
was eighteen nineteen or so. And then I UM met
Rockwell or Jeff Taylor with Rockwall Security and gotten a
kind of power I made it, so it kind of

(03:33):
just took off from there. But yeah, definitely, UM ten
to twelve years and outlaw carts. Uh definitely paid my
twos over there in Marcale. How much does that outlaw
cart knowledge translate to what you're doing now? Would you
have liked to come up through any other any other
kind of vehicle or would you wanted to be an
alock art? Yeah? I think I wouldn't have it any
other way. UM, I really enjoyed outlock cars. I still

(03:54):
enjoy outlock carts when I can, But I just think
there's such They're so hard to drive, they're so fast,
and they're so i and you have you have a
lot of grip, and then you don't have a lot
of grip, and you gotta run big tracks, you get
run small tracks, you're on indoors, you run. UM what
helped us a lot too is we got to run
through the winter. So we ran, Like I said, we
ran indoors in California. Obviously the weather is not as
rough as it is out here, so we raced. Um.

(04:16):
You know, for a five six year old kid to
run forty times of years quite a lot. So UM.
I think that was probably the biggest thing, just to
get the race all year and never never have to
stop race and never have to have that little time
off the off season like everybody talks about. Did you
know that the midget was the next general progression? Is
that what you wanted to do? I think the midget
right away was kind of like what I really wanted

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to do ever since, Like I even heard of the
Chili Bowl at you know, eight, nine, ten years old.
Is what I wanted to do. But I never really
knew the transition. I said, it's just a hobby racer, right.
It was just me and my family and we were
just I never really I wanted to race, you know,
full time or you know, for living or whatever. But
I didn't really know what it took, and I didn't
know how to get there, and I didn't know the

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path from North Caw to get all the way out
here is a it's a big jump and you don't
really know how it works. And like I said, luckily
we kind of had a few guys to pave that path,
like Kyle and Rico and even Thorson and you know,
a couple of guys were a little bit older than
me that, um, we're able to get out here and
kind of, um put the spotlight on outlaw carts. You know.
Then once that happened, people started looking a out lock carts,

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and um, I think it kind of became real for
me at that point when I kind of seen people
that I grew up racing with or even watching race,
um get out here and really really do well and
proved that, um, if you can run good and outlaw
cards and stuff like that, that, um, you know you
probably can get out here and keep up with these guys.
So um, that was big for me. And then, like
I said, it just comes down to meeting the right

(05:39):
people at the right times. And we just had Tanner
and Cody Swanson on as well, and so they're brothers
that race as well. But your brother also races outlock cards,
so it was a family deal for you too. Yeah. Yeah,
he started uh when he was five also, I think
or a couple of years before me, and um, yeah,
he raced and I was always you know, just a
couple of years behind him, but it was definitely a rivalry.

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Uh you know, whatever happened at the race, chock, we
gotta sit in the car and ride home together on
and then uh you know, he spend the whole week
together before we got racing again. So um, yeah, he
was Like I said, he was always a couple of
years ahead of me, but I always ended up, you know,
catching up to him right before he was progressing and
stuff like that. And um, it really got serious, you
know once we turned once we hit the highest class

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you know, fourteen fifteen, sixteen years old up to you know,
i'd still run that same class now. So um, that's
when I really got serious and I kind of started
racing for other people. And um, he's really really good.
Like I said, it just comes down to meeting the
right people at the right time, and he just never
quite got that opportunity. But um, you know he's still
still racing and still having fund so it's it's still
cool to see him do. Well, let's talk about two

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thousand sixteen. When you're talking about picking your way all
up at at a young age and working all that
seat time, and then suddenly two thousand and sixteen, you
have open heart surgery for congenital heart defect and three
months later you're you're competing at the Chili Bowl. What
why did it take so warm and what was the
decision to finally say, hey, I need to go in

(07:04):
and do this now. Yeah. So I my whole time
growing up, I knew that I had something different with
my heart, but they kind of just kind of brushed
it off, like no big deal, Um, you'll be gonna
be fine, stuff like that. So um, after five or
six years old, I never saw a cardiologist or anything.
You know, I just kind of lived my normal life.
And um, I was at athlete, you know, sports, everything

(07:24):
raised obviously, UM, so I didn't. It didn't seem to
really be slowing me down much. I think looking back
and knowing um with the effects that had, I think
it probably did affect me a little bit here and there.
And then once I hit like sixteen, seventeen years old,
so whenever that would have been thirteen, fourteen or fourteen, um,
I just slowly started to struggle to breathe. Um, and

(07:48):
I said, Uh, by the time I was really trying
to get serious and racing, like um, I was, I
was struggling bad. I couldn't breathe. I was, you know,
loosening my belts under cash and I get out of
the car and you know, have to go sit down
for five or six ten minutes to catch my breath,
even to have a conversation. Um, I wouldn't be able
to do a podcast like this. Before my heart surgery,

(08:08):
I couldn't talk for you know, more than a sentence
or two. Um. Yeah, it was, like I said, I
grew up and thought nothing but nothing of it, and
then all of a sudden it kind of hit me.
Within a year or two, I was struggling to talk,
struggling to do my normal activities. So um, started going
back to the doctor knowing something was up, and I
didn't really think it was a heart problem. And then uh,

(08:30):
I couldn't quite figure it out. Went to a new
doctor in the first you know, within ten minutes he said, yeah,
you got a heart problem. And I was off to
the cardiologist the next day and it kind of just
took off from there. But yeah, was a was a
big one for me. I think um like I talked about.
That's when I met UM. Jeff Taylor kind of boosted
me into racing out here in the Midwest, and um,

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I ran two midget races at the beginning of sixteen,
and I think it was in April, and uh they
went pretty good, and we were kind of planning on
running some more more and then this, UM it seemed
like that hard deal came up, and then UM, I
was kind of done done racing. From there, I kept
racing outlaw carts here and there, and actually one UM,
Kyle Larson puts on outlaw cart racing cycling. I won

(09:14):
the I pushed my I pushed my heart surgery back
just so I can run that race, and I won
the race. It's pretty cool that we're going to run
that race, they told me in April, and I was like,
if I do it now, I'm gonna miss that race.
So I I waited until September, and uh it worked

(09:35):
out anyway. Like I said, I was trying to plan
it to run that race and still get to run
the Chilly Bowl and still get a racing season, and
probably not my best decision, but it all worked out.
Like I said, I think it was affecting me. I
go back and watch that race and my interview after
I say like three words and I just stopped because
I can't even I can't even talk. So um, it
was pretty crazy. But um, yeah we're all good now. Yeah,
it's got to be frustrating. Yeah, that um, quite an accomplishment.

(09:59):
And then, like you said, you you know, being you
know the chili bowl, a couple of months later. You
it must you must have felt significantly better. I mean still,
what was your chest and stuff still still pretty sore
at the time. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It took. Uh,
it took a long time to really get everything, uh
you know back. I think the biggest thing was just
getting energy and strength back. When you sit on that

(10:20):
couch or you know, sit in your room for ten
weeks straight, it's uh, you just you just kind of
lose everything you got. So um, you know, I tried
to keep anytime I would start feeling better after the surgery,
I'd get out of the house and go do something,
and in in the next day I'd be laid up like
it was a bad decision. So um, but yeah, it
took me, not as long as I thought I would take.

(10:41):
The doctor said eight weeks I think before you're supposed
to lift stuff, and obviously they sting to worry about that.
So I was raising outlock carts and indoors at Red Bluff,
which is a pretty rough place, you know, beating and banging. Uh,
like eight or ten weeks after the surgery, and first

(11:02):
night out of course, somebody crashes in front of me.
I end up turning over and I was fine, but
but yeah, I was sore. You know, there's it takes
a long time for your mentally. Yeah. Yeah, they yeah,
they cut your sternom open and then it breaks a
few quite a few ribs when they pull it open
and stuff like that. So it's painful for sure. On
an outlaw cart. Hell, that probably wouldn't hurt, right, So

(11:26):
what could go wrong? So it's interesting he's talking about
the talking about the recovery time and things like that.
It was interesting. We had Hine cliff on right and
we were talking about when he, you know, nearly lost
his life at the speedway. Um and the doctor told
him point blank, he said, he said, listen, you can

(11:47):
take this many steps a day. Don't take another step
other than that. And he said, So he had it
all planned out, he would get up, he would walk
around the couch X amount of time him and get
an x amount of steps, and he knew he needed
this amount of stamps to get lunch, to go to
the bathroom, and like he had it all planned out

(12:08):
every day. But the idea was was, if you push
it too hard, it's going to you're going to regress.
You know, you're not going to go forward with this.
And so it was it was pretty cool too to
hear that. And I mean, it's it was funny the
way you put it. He said, I had to perfect
doing nothing, yes, exactly. And and and you know, you
guys are running wide open, I mean on and off

(12:30):
the track. If you're not on the track, you're working
other things, trying to get you know, more stuff going
on the track. And you know the thing about it is,
it's it's it's so uh, you know, it's so difficult
to slow down. I mean even even me. I mean,
I I've worked seven days a week, but that's what
I love doing and and and I enjoy it. And

(12:51):
you know the thought of going on a vacation is
like a like scary, so I don't you know, So
I'm like I need to work, I gotta do stuff.
So but uh yeah, that's that's that's crazy, that's crazy.
You got back that quick. So we fast forward a
couple of months now that you can breathe and boom.
Two thousand and seventeen Power Roid Champion Rookie of the Year. Yeah, Ricky. Yeah,

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So that was like, said Midgets to me growing up,
We're just the coolest thing. And I thought, I thought
that's what would really fit my driving style and um,
growing up in North of col Like I talked about
the little bull rings. We got to go run Power I,
which is a ton of little bull rings in Illinois,
which I think Illinois has some of the best race
tracks in the world. And um, yeah, I just love
doing it. I got the race with Flee Music, who's

(13:34):
um a genius and reality I think he's really really smart.
He just has so much fun and he just does
so much weird different stuff and that's what that's what
he loves doing. And I and I, um, you know,
I respect him for doing that kind of stuff. And um,
you know, sometimes it works and this car's go really
good and you know, sometimes a death and so um.
But yeah, that was was Flee and Kenny Brown and
those guys, and like I keep talking about, Jeff Taylor

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was one of our main supporters on that car, so, um, yeah,
that was kind of the stepping stone. The big stepping
stone for me was getting out there and racy against
you know, the real professional teams to prove that I
can run with those guys, and it kind of kicked
me into you know, and everything that's come after that.
I bought my first micro from Kenny Brown, So we're

(14:17):
kind of like teammates a little bit, maybe not maybe better,
but teammate is buten you stack national champion? What's the
next goal for you? Hold on? Hold on the back
up a little bit? When did when did the relationship
with Keith Coon's developed? Was it hot? It was it
because of seventeen? Yeah? Yeah, it was what put you

(14:39):
on a Keith Coon's car an eighteen? Yeah? Yeah, it
was during Um, there was there was a race that
it was me and Keith parked right next to each other,
or you know, my team and Keeth team parked right
next to each other and it was just Christopher Rayson,
just Bell so that he didn't have the typical six
seven eight cars, And um, I'd kind of heard that

(14:59):
Torson was the guy at that point for for Keith,
and uh, I believe it's maybe Spencer, I don't remember. Honestly,
it was Thorsen and uh yeah, so Thorson was the
main guy, and I kind of heard that he was
going to do something else, and uh, I was really
good friends with Christopher Bell, so he was kind of
feed me in on all the inside knowledge. And um,

(15:21):
I just walked into Keeth Keith trailer and I said, hey,
what are you guys doing for next year? Um? You
know I would like to run usack the USAK National Midgets. Um,
I'd like to do it with you guys. So you know,
if you guys are looking for a driver, just call me.
And that was basically it, because I didn't I don't
want to lose my ride for that. I already had either,
so I don't want them to think, you know, I was, Um,

(15:43):
I don't want I didn't run around with else, yeah, right,
I just I just wanted to get usack Rayson. You know,
I'd already basically won at that point, it was basically
over for the the Midget Championship, so I've already done that,
So I knew I needed to do something more Ineen.
I wasn't sure if um that same team was gonna
go US at Grayson because Kenny so involved with Power Eyes.
So um yeah, I knew I needed to go ustat Grayson.

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I need to be more at that point. I need
to be more involved with Toyota. I was already running
Toyota Engines, but I was just trying to get in
there farther and I knew Keith had the best, best
relationship with them, so um yeah, I was just trying
to do whatever I could. Like I said, stay out
here and keep racing out here, and um yeah, Keith
called I think Pete called me like a week later,
and I said, yeah, we're gonna do it, and we

(16:26):
kind of started going from there, and um I ran
late models all that winter with Toyota and then um
my first race with Keith with at Chilia Bowl. So
who's late models were running? I was running, um, the
Huddlestons out in southern California. It's like a it's like
a limited late whatever they came on late model stock.
Um just kind of just to get my feet wet
and pavement, you know, bigger car spotters, just trying to

(16:47):
get me used to going through all the motions of
stock car racing. It was it was fun, it was different.
We ran a little tiny boering in Arizona, um Lake Havasu,
and they just it was kind of like a It
was just like a winner a couple of race series.
It was almost like a run what you're wrong. They
didn't really have a ton of rules, so we could
just go out there and um it was me and

(17:08):
they just kept you know, Toyo just throw three or
four guys a week and we just go you know,
basically test late models. It was a race, but really
what we're doing is just testing, trying to learn, and um, yeah,
it was fun. It was different. I just like doing
different stuff, you know, I like to I don't really
like to do the same thing three or four years
in a row. I like to, you know, go out
and learn new cars. That's what I really enjoyed doing
right now is you know, I got to jump into

(17:29):
Silver Crown the car this year. Last year, I got
to do our you know, ARCA races, truck races. So
I enjoy learning new stuff and the stock car deal
is definitely a lot different. Yeah, it's kind of interesting.
You know, so Cody we uh we did, uh did
an ARCA deal with him in Iowa. Uh he did.
You know, Cody has been with us a long time,

(17:50):
and uh we did the ARCA race with him, and
you know, he got done. And after he got after
he was finished destroying himself about how bad he was, uh,
which clearly he was not. But after he got done
with that, you know, we finally got to talk about
it a little bit. And he's sitting there. Tell him
he goes, he goes, Yeah, he goes on the restarts

(18:10):
because he was getting killed on restarts. And he said,
on the restarts, he goes. I just didn't know where
I was, you know, like he didn't know that tire
was up there, like on an open wheel car. You know,
he didn't know that stuff was up there. So he
didn't know where the fenders were, you know, where how
big that car was, or where he was getting you know,
the front, you know, the nose on it or whatever.
And so anyhow, we were talking about doing another one

(18:33):
and I said, listen, here's the deal. I said, I
got you. I'll work it with you, you know, another
archist show. But man, if you don't put a fender
on somebody. I'm not doing it again. But and and
of course Cody's so aggressive, you know, that's totally his style.
My deal, i'd i'd run into people in acts in
all time or hit the all going down the straight away,

(18:54):
the same deal, Like, I just don't know how big
this thing is. So I go into the corner and well,
am I hit the wall or yeah. I get down
the straight away and I think I'm kind of still
far away from the guy and I see the back
of his car pickup and I'm like oops, like yeah,
it's just that's like Stewart when we were at his
house and he was he had a shell helmet there. Well,
the shell deal was when he was running Bush for Gibbs.

(19:18):
That was his first full year with Gibbs and Bush.
And uh, he goes, I said, I said, the old
shell helmet. He goes, oh, yeah, because that's before I
even knew how to line up, like he was talking
about lining up at a starting grid Like okay, you know,
but but yeah, So I mean, it's it's an interesting deal.
And then in and you know, that's kind of the

(19:40):
thing with Cody, and you know, of of course, our
involvement with you you know, I love seeing people go
in different places right and do different things, and uh,
you know, maybe it's maybe it's Brady running you know
the sprint cars, which the Saturday's it's it's all on
a Saturday. Who's he in front of? H Okay, I

(20:03):
just want to make sure I was trying. It's thirty
but yes, So he text me this morning, was asking
if I was going to make it to Lawrenceburg, which
I of course would love to go to Lawrenceburg to
to to see it. But we've got our first and
only event at the Speedway this year with the with

(20:24):
the harvest g P. I was curious, are they letting
fans in that you didn't get your tickets from? No? Oh,
we didn't get the what happened? Maybe I need to
eat my wallet out. My tickets will show up. Now.
We wouldn't want that, and then you would expect something
out of us. So we'll clearly give you the tickets
because I will pay for my own liquor. If you

(20:47):
just give me a ticket that is total be it.
I'll find the ticket. Did you give me a Yeah,
that's a bad move right there, the horrible idea. But anyhow,
you know it's it's you know, it's take and going
into everything. And it was you know, the first person
I ever watched that did that, it was really that
really jumped out at me was Kenny Schrader, you know.

(21:09):
And Strader is one of those guys he could get
into anything, and he came through open will, you know,
he ran a lot of open will and then he
moved up to the stock cars and things like that.
Of course Tony you know, Hewatt, But I mean there's
there's of course Jeff Gordon as well. I couldn't miss him.
But there's few people that that have that opportunity. And
I know that Chris Windham has had some opportunity in it.

(21:32):
But it's so hard right now. I mean it's like
you get into one thing, it's like, oh, he's a
madget driver, you know, it's kind of like somebody that
does movies. Right, well, he's an action guy, you know,
and so you can't move out of that that whole.
So I'm happy to I'm happy to see or watch
you kind of try a lot of different things. And
and listen, if you're a racer, you're a racer, right,

(21:54):
you're wanting to know. I mean it's like I said
about the speedway. If they're running hogs around the track,
it is like we gotta go to the tracking stuff. Yeah,
I'm I'm kind of curious if you can talk about this.
Maybe maybe you aren't comfortable with it, which I certainly understand,
in which case we'll just ask you to leave. But
kidding your man um, whenever you did your deal, I'm

(22:16):
guessing you were beating up on some of Keith Coon's
drivers in seventeen when you won that championship with the
Power I. But when you walk into the trailer a
week later, they call you back and the deal's coming together. Um.
I had spoke to Jack Irving back and around that time,
maybe a year or two earlier, and Jack irvn with
Toyota and UH and I had asked him, what's what's

(22:39):
the plan, Like, how do you get somebody in the
car and and go forward in this deal? And he said,
even if you he said, even if we choose you
as a Toyota driver, he said, we probably cover about that.
He said, it's an engine program. It's able to help
the team out, and we cover. He said, at the
end of the day, it's probably about fifty he said,
the drive still has to bring about the sponsorship. Was

(23:03):
that the case with you guys. I don't really ask
financial questions when I race with people. I just kind
of got you gotta do my job. So I don't
know all the ins and outs of how their system works.
But from what I've picked up racing there, um Keith,
Keith and Pete have you know how that have their
one house car. Basically it's it's what I consider it,
um and yeah, that's kind of what I picked up.
Two is that Toyota kind of covered all the engine costs,

(23:24):
which is obviously a big, big cost, Like I said,
about probably half, and then um, Keith and Pete kind
of cover you know, crash costs, tire costs, field cost
stuff like that. But obviously they cover that with all
the other kids they have bringing bringing money also, So
they have they have renters that um, they have people
that rent their cars that pay for you know, their

(23:44):
one guy to race, which I believe this year would
be Buddy Cofoyd. So Buddy doesn't I don't believe brings anything.
I said, I don't ask questions. I don't know. I
don't know all the ins and outs of their system.
I race there for two years and I didn't I
didn't want to. I didn't ask a single questions, so
they didn't ask you to bring. Now I got you
because at the at the time, and this is probably
around sixteen or seventeen, I had spoke to Keith as well,

(24:07):
and I think his program was around three fifty probably
closer to five now. But um, but it's also a
really big schedule too. I mean there's a lot of racing. Yeah,
that's that's one thing they do a lot of It's
a race. Every every Mansue race that they can get
to is a is there there. So it's you know,
sometimes I'll put up and take one trailer to the
U sack and they take the kids. They can't run

(24:28):
U sector to the Power I races. But but yeah,
that's definitely how I see it as I kind of
saw it as. Um, you know, my job was to
make sure their cars win so people want to pay
them money to drive their race cars. The marketing piece, right,
that's that's the job as there. You know, their guys
they would put a going in that's going to continue
to win at the top and make sure that you know,

(24:48):
the parents fund their kids driving his race cars so
they can see what's see if they got it what
it takes. And I'm sorry, and I am amazed with
how many shows they do. I mean, I don't know,
I don't how Keith doesn't look like he's a hundred
you know what I mean. They are non stop on
the road, and I mean, I don't I don't care
if you have a full crew. I mean it's like here,

(25:09):
we have a full crew of people that work, you know,
but even with a full crew of people, there's still
a lot of decisions that I have to make that
others don't or they ask me about. So you know,
there's still a lot of stress that goes along with it.
So I mean, the whole thing, with how much Keith
and those guys do, it's pretty pretty amazing. And and
you know what, people like Logan and Yusak and other

(25:31):
kids are lucky to have them because there's not there's
not a lot of you know, there's not a lot
of those guys out there anymore that have that stuff
you know used to have you know, you used to
have Stewart, used to have Kane and you know, those
guys and which that the King's story was great. I
loved watching it when it was Brady and uh and
and Kevin h Swindell. Swindell just destroying cars down and

(25:55):
down and Salem. I'm like, when does this end? Like,
I mean, he he was fast, but he was wild
on asshalle On payment man, he was way wild. So
but now I'm I'm I'm happy for you there, and
what I was gonna say, I mean, and you know
this firsthand, it's kind of cool to see how kay
cam has developed over the last couple of years as well.
Like they'll show up to the track with nine or
ten cars and it doesn't phase them at all. But

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I mean, you came in kind of like in the
beginning of that a little bit where you know, it
was you know, you and Thorson and Spencer and all
that stuff. But now to see this new generation of people.
You got Dason Pursley and Canon McIntosh and you know,
all these Kaylie Bryson, all these people that are developing.
And when you said bring kids to the to the
track that they can't go to, I mean, you gotta
be sixteen to race with you, sack or something like that.

(26:39):
I mean, and some of them are coming in at
fifteen fourteen fifteen. I mean, how crazy is that to
see that developed? Yeah, it is wild. I think, Uh,
going back to like I said, when Kyle and everybody
first started coming up. Obviously Keiths been around for a
long time, but I kind of first started hearing about
him more was when Kyle started racing for him, and
it was you know, it's like Kyle and Brian, there's
one or two cars. And then as he went on,

(27:00):
like I said, he picked up Tanner and next thing,
you know, he's got four or five cars, you know
where Eco and then Ryan and then yeah, I get
there and we were running seven, eight cars and night
and it's it's a lot, and uh, it just blows
my mind how they do it. But um, yeah, to
to get there and have to unload eight cars and
then maintenance eight cars and just do the whole process.
Have eight drivers. You know, we're in a we're in

(27:21):
the lounge of the trailer and there's four of us
trying to get dressed at the same time. You know,
It's it's a lot, but it's uh, it's fun. It
was a cool experience, and um yeah, I think that's
why a lot of teams kind of look up to
them as they not only do it, but with eight guys,
but they do it well and they don't break and
nothing falls off their race cars, and um, yeah, I
just think that what they do is insane and uh

(27:42):
it's not definitely not cut out for everybody else for sure.
So you joined you joined a group of two other
notables and two thousand eighteen as well as as Georgia
was alluding to their winning that championship in two thousand
and eight team with Yusak and Rookie of the Year
and joined Cruthers and and you're good, buddy. Christopher Bow
was only the third driver in news Like history to

(28:03):
win that championship in your rookie season, pretty like those
Rickie of the Year years. Yeah, yeah, that was unexpected.
I think coming in with Keith, I thought I thought
we'd run really well and I I thought we'd win
races and stuff like that. But um, you know, to
compete with the guy you know, Spencer and Sunshine and
Grant and everybody who had to race with that years

(28:23):
was big. I think. Uh, we showed up to to
Coin the first race of season. We won to Coin.
Um that was one of my second years major race
ever and uh we won that and then you know,
we just we did just really really consistent that year.
We ran up front basically every night. We won won
three races, but we ran up front every single night,
and like I said, nothing ever broke. We didn't have

(28:45):
a single d NF. We probably raced I probably race
six year sevent ye race with Keith that year and
never one never broke, never crashed, like, nothing fell off
the race car. Um. And that's just you know, what
it takes to win a thirty race season. You know,
you have to have to run up and nothing falls
off the race car. So um, yeah I didn't. It's
weird showing up to all this race tracks and only

(29:07):
seeing videos, you know, like I've only you know, I've
seen this place on video. I've seen that, you know,
I've played this place on the computer or whatever. But um,
and all the you know, race against everybody that has
been racing indianl I'm only whatever for five, six, seven, whatever,
ten years. You know, Jerry, whoever whoever you're racing against
that night's been out here for ten fifteen years. Yeah,
so it's it's tough at times, but um, that's just

(29:29):
part of what makes it, you know, so cool and
why you know, there's only a couple of guys that
have been able to do it, so and that's and
that's and that's the interesting thing. You know. We took
you know, we took a little bit of a hiatus
from from USACH with some things and and uh, you know,
I I remember hearing Logan's name and he here he

(29:50):
is with Keith, and I'm like this, this kid is
destroying people. And I mean it's just the first year.
I'm like, I mean, it got my attention, you want.
I mean, it's one of those things where you actually
absolutely are saying, Okay, who is this? You know what
I mean. It's not like you look at it and go, oh,
it's a coddle of standbro A Windom or you know

(30:11):
the guys that you you know that have been around
a little while. And then it's like, okay, who's Logan CV.
It's like, okay, who did Keith find? Now? Yes exactly,
which is cool. And I love what you said, you know,
with Power Eye coming off small tracks, running Power Eye
tracks again bull rings. But then you go to USAK
and you've got some some big speed tracks over there.

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So it had to be exciting for you too. It's
certainly getting you out of your comfort zone. I was
very anti big track for a while, and then I
went to Eldor and I kind of fell in love
with midgets on big tracks. And you know, now I'm
I wish we'd get to Port Royal, and I wish
they'd taken back to Knoxville and like to Tara hote

(30:53):
Um you know J Draker and that one for us.
But yeah, yeah, I'd love to take my fact to
the big track. And um yeah, I just I just
I just really like the big tracks. All of a sudden,
I don't know what hit me in but um yeah,
that the end of the Eldora race, whatever happened, I
got going really good at the end. And then after that,
I was like, yeah, let's go to Eldor five times

(31:15):
a year and let's go, like I said, let's get
to knox Hill, let's go to Port Royal, let's go
to all the big tracks. I know jack Ervan again
from Toyota, I know his his key. What he said
to me was we got a for a development driver.
They wanted the guys in the cars, I mean racing
literally every weekend. If possible, and a lot of late
model stuff, you know, as you talked about it, to
to bump your way up into the full bodied cars.

(31:37):
And two thousand eighteen you also did an incredible job there.
I was actually hosting the ARCA races that year, but
I remember you going to the two fair Grounds, but
at the coin stepping up there and winning I think
was your second start in ARCA and and you're winning
that race and Careini. Yeah, And in Ventorini had a

(32:00):
mixed program. I mean he had some older cars and
he had some newer cars, you know, but that was
before he was locked down with Toyota. He had some
Chevies and different stuff. So yeah, I think Toyota team
that he won with Toyota that Ventorini had, I think
at the time he had a couple of different teams
than he I'm not sure honestly what he had. I know, um,

(32:22):
he only had like one full time guy in need
a bunch of people like Toyota throwing people at him
coming ore. And then they may have been full Toyota
I know, Yeah, they had Toyta drivers, so they might.
I think they were full toylet great group of people.
And then of course you had a great run with
you know, for for Kyle Busch, you know, in the truck,
and I mean it looked like you were going to
win that race. I think caution Fly came out and

(32:45):
changed things up a little bit, but spectacular effort. They're
finishing inside of the top ten for him and inside
of the truck. But what I'm driving towards is you
came out of the open wheel cars, got into the
full bodied cars. Immediate success right there, and it didn't
go any further. What happened, um super late model stuff

(33:05):
was I feel like probably what they used the most
to judge you, and Um, I ran okay, I was fast,
I just couldn't. I just never seemed like stuff would
fall the right way. You know. Everything else is just
falling the right way for me. Everything else is just
going really well. And anytime I got in a super
light Model, we'd be fast, we'd run up front, but
we just never get the finishes we needed. And that's

(33:25):
what I feel like we're probably getting judged on the most,
which at the whole time, you know, I just didn't
really see the I don't want to say I didn't
see the point in super late model racing. I think
they're really fun race cars. I think were cool race cars.
But um, if NASCAR is a goal, I don't see
how super light models. Um, I agree with you. I
don't know how he put a lot of weight on

(33:46):
super late So there is no question about it. They
wanted you to run a bunch of them, and they
wanted to see you win and do well in those,
and they placed a lot of weight on that to
to go forward. So it makes sense to me. Yeah,
I think that was the big part. And like I said,
I don't I just don't see how it translates as
well to the to the stuff that if if they
want if nascars school. I just didn't see why why. Yeah,

(34:07):
they're light cars, their fast car. You know, it's it's
a lot more like you know, dirt racing. They're fast
or quick, they got grip, you have power, and then
you know they want to send you then the next
step of the truck, which is you know, big, heavy, slow,
you run wide open everywhere you go, you know, basically
all the big tracks your own wide open. So yeah,
I just didn't really see how it translated. But um,

(34:28):
yeah I didn't think I was bad and super light models.
I mean I just I crashed a couple of cars,
but just whatever. But yeah, I think that that was
probably up for me. Was was a super light model
d I got in good cars. I mean I ran
with KBM, I ran with Wimmer, I ran with a
lot of good teams. But it just it just didn't go.
I know. Um and again, and having conversations with Jack

(34:48):
at that time, around around those those years, I remember
him saying to me, because we'd also talked about you
talked about how how young these kids are. Jack's looking
at kids are fourteen years old, they're and up that
are going into the Toyota program, so they're looking at
him really really young. But I remember him telling me
that and not the numbers are going to be off here,

(35:09):
but he said something to the area of we've got
eight or nine really good drivers right now that we
could continue to push. He said, the problem is we
only have four cars to put them in. There's only
four once we get out of the midget sprint car
level you know, to go up. And the trucks that's say,
are Arco trucks whatever. He only had a couple of cars,
so you can fall prey to that too, you can

(35:31):
get really really close, which it seems like you certainly did,
and then just number out of the game. It's it's
so so difficult. Yeah, yeah it is. It's just like
I said, there's so many people fighting for fighting for
you know, four truck seats or five truck seats or
whatever it is. And um, yeah, it's not like you know,
it's not like a normal sport or whatever where there's

(35:52):
you know, twenty teams with fifty seats on each of
them or thirty seats on each of them, you know,
but um, it's just tough. Yeah, there's lots lots of
young kids, like you said that, they're looking at thinking that, um,
you know, that's gonna be their their their route. And
I think, um, for I think the biggest I think
why they have so much emphasis on the super Late
Model deal is probably because of Kyle. Kyle Busch has
you know, he has his own team and stuff like that.

(36:13):
He really likes them. But uh, yeah, I think I
think the kid that was probably the reason why I
didn't was Chandler Smith. He's just really really good in
super Light Models and he he got in the trucks
right away and ran really well so um, yeah, they
just didn't really, I don't think they had room. So
I think that was what just what it came down to,
you know, Um, there was you know, unless I think
if I won that truck race, like said, they probably
maybe would have worked something out to get me in

(36:35):
some more truck stuff. And I think a truck race
on payment probably would have changed the game for me
a lot too. So yeah, I just didn't all work out.
But it's, uh, it is what it is. I'm not
not too upset about it. Well, fast forward a little bit.
You're in sprint cars now, you sack sprint cards. That's
a new venture for you. What has that learning curve
been like it's been It's been different. Yeah, I think
I've I've ran you know, three or four sprint car

(36:57):
races and seventeen and then you know, five to ten
fifteen sprint car races. Uh maybe less than that in eighteen,
and then uh decent amount twenty races last year. So
I just kind of slowly been working into it. Um.
But yeah, from the start, I've um, I feel like
this has probably been the worst year from my last
you know, I've been slowly working into it with less experience,
I feel like I was doing better, So I don't know.

(37:18):
I ran so I started in seventeen with Briscoe and
then I went to the hockey with Dom and eighteen
I ran a little bit with Briscoe, a little bit
with Andy Ryan Bold, and then nineteen I ran at
Rhine Bold and won my first sprint car race, which
or national sprint car race, which is really cool. And yeah,
we just had so much fun race with Andy the
last couple of years, and um, yeah, twenty hit and
it went to Florida and ran good. It was like

(37:39):
everything was going good. And then uh yeah, the whole
coronavirus quarantine whatever you want to call it, hit and
we took a long break and we came back and
we just never really never found the speed. We kind
of got going a little bit and then I got
hurt and crashed and whatever, and uh put me out
for a few weeks. And uh, Sprint Week I thought
was going good. We you know, we won a night
of Sprint Week and we were fast Lawrenceburg and really

(38:01):
fast to putting a Ville and it rained out and
um yeah, I don't know, we just kind of we
can't never get in a rhythm to get going good
this year. So I don't know, I don't know what
the problem seems to be, but um, but yeah, I
mean I'm enjoying it. The first year on the USAG
National Sprint Car Tours been fun. One race left is weird,
but you know it's so weird October three, the last
race of the season. It's just odd. But just whatever,

(38:21):
It's just part of I guess. But um, yeah, just
like I said, it's just this year's kind of been
tearing us up a little bit. So we gotta we
gotta figure it out and get going better for next year,
for sure. So I hinted on a little bit, But
what is that next goal for you got the two
midget championships? Are you looking to get a sprint car
championship with USAK or do you want to go wing racing?

(38:42):
Or you know, what's the direction that you want to head? Like?
So I liked any new stuff, so I do. I'd
go wing racing a few times. I've only been. I've
only in one racist year just because the scheduling is
so crazy. But I do enjoy wing racing when I
when I get to do it. Right now, the goal
for me is to win, you know, the sprint car
championship and um, you know, hopefully at some point when
a Crown championship too. So, UM, I really enjoyed the

(39:04):
Crown races we talked about. Like I said, I just
really like doing different stuff. And the Crown racing is
almost a mixture of payment and dirt racing. You can
get the spot or you get to talk to your
crew chief, you get a long race, you get you know,
the track changing and your car changing, entire wear, and um,
it's just so much more you've got to think about
in a Crown race rather than you know, a sprint
car race where you just run as hard as you

(39:25):
can for thirty laugh, which is I which was what
I love. You know, I love, you know, having to
run that hard and as a fan, I think it's
the best dollar racing in the world. And um, but yeah,
the Crown racing is just such a different vibe, such
a different feel you get in the car, and it's
totally a different mindset and that's what I like. Like
I said, I'd just keep saying I like doing different stuff,
and uh, the Crown racing is really fun for me.
And you said you like the big tracks, So the

(39:47):
Sprint or the Silver con car is kind of the
best of both worlds there. Yeah, it sucks that. I
feel like the coolest big track that they run is
the Coin and we don't get together right now, So
I feel like it's probably the best as far as
being able to race and pass, and um there's a
lot more fuel strategy there because the top does come in,
but if you run the top of the whole race,
you're gonna run out of fuel really early. So I

(40:08):
feel like there's a lot more strategy there rather than
you know, a place like, um, the Indy Mile or
Springfield where you're kind of committed to the same line.
And um yeah, it's just I do it. Like I said,
I do enjoy the big tracks. Running that to miles
a lot different than you know, how more a knock
fille or whatever. But um yeah, it's fun. It's it's
a lot of fun. I just I just really enjoyed

(40:28):
the Crown Cars. But from what I've got to rice
this year, describe Lincoln Park Speedway on one word, um Man,
as far as the racetrack, honestly, I think it's the
best track in Indiana. It's destroyed me this year obviously, Um,

(40:49):
I I went to a local show, missed the show,
I crashed in the v may and I went to
the East Sect show, crashed in the v main and
knock myself out at mid you week, Um, I've been
kind to you. I mean not job. The word would
be brutal. It's my favorite track in Indiana though. I
think it's the coolest track that I really do. Um

(41:09):
but yeah, this year it's not been nice to me.
But um but yeah, I I love that place. Honestly.
Everybody's asking me why why or you know, they expect
me to hate it, but I just I just think
it's one of the best tracks and India. We had
the same with my son Robert races as well, and
we have the same experience with mid Ohio. For I
don't know how many years this favorite track. Love to

(41:31):
go there and every time we would go there, we
would get in the crash. Somebody would spin out over
the hill at at nine, he wouldn't know he was there,
up over the hill and tebow or jerk the car
out of the way into all trying to miss somebody,
or something crazy would happen. One time he's he's racing
it look like he's gonna win the race. The guy
in front of him that he was had been battling
where they had swapped the lead a number of times.
We had a better handling car, he had a more

(41:52):
powerful car, and then the guy had a mechanical and
slowed down literally like one lap to go boom right
behind him. Same up, We have a mechanical and slow
down and end up right behind me. Just the way
it went, you know. But midd Ohio was just one
of those tracks, worse like you're talking about when Lincoln
Park the speedway and then finally he got the monkey
of us back and got to win there. But it's

(42:14):
funny how it goes, how you can have that passion
for that tracks, like I love this place, so I
just get my ass kicked every time I come here.
I don't know why. And you had to run a
double feature there this year. Yeah, yeah, the double feature
is the night that um we so that during Sprint
week when it rained out, we were like really good,
like we went click time one our heat and the
track was really rough and we were just really fast,

(42:35):
like I've never really like showed up to or like
pushing pushing out for the feature, being like, I'm I
feel like I've really get a chance to win this race.
You know, I think every time I feel like I race,
I feel like I should have a decent chance. But
that race, you know, I feel like my odds were
really high to win that race. I just was so confident,
our car was so good, and then it rains, and um,
it's just so right there and then yeah, let's go.

(42:59):
They you know, they out there doing to to you know, doubleheader,
and obviously we know in the track was going to
be a lot different. We ran h the first race
in the day and our freaking brakes fall off the car.
I had no breaks the whole race, and we still
were running pretty good. I think we were in fifth.
But um, yeah, just every time we go to Lincoln Park,
it just seems to buy us this year. Popcorn is

(43:21):
the best popcorn. We are talking about that one. There
must be something inside jump there. I got in trouble
for posting about Lawrence Works teaways popcorn. I got in
trouble from Lawrence Work Speedway, and you sacked for saying
that it wasn't It's fine. It's literally fine. Don't don't anymore.

(43:42):
I had to apologize butter on it or you know
what makes it the good popcorn. I want to need this.
You have to go to Linkol Park Speedway and have
their popcorn. It's the best popcorn you while having your life.
Every piece is the perfect amount of butter, perfect amount
of and they give you this huge bag for like
the better assault ratio it is. I had a big

(44:05):
thing going during Indiana Midget Week. Of every track we
went to, I would write their popcorn and I'm so
sorry that. Yeah, don't hurt people's feelings about pop don't
she said it was over priced? Yeah, and then so
but then then I posted. Then I posted about the

(44:28):
pizza because they have really really great pizza, which is
double the price of popcorn. So I was like, in
a way, I mean, I felt like I was helping,
but at the same time everyone else was mad. So
I guess what will we posted about popcorn? Well, you
know what we will. We will and actually, when we
get you a popcorn maker, yeah, maybe we'll have an

(44:48):
maybe we'll get maybe we'll get them to send us
some popcorn, will evaluate, will evaluate things. So nice, nice
choice and team for this year with with Ryan bold Underwood.
Of course, the team that c J won the championship
with your your previous Um, what's the plans going forward?

(45:09):
He looks looks like you'll stay with him next year.
UM yeah, I mean I think me and Andy just
have a really really good relationship outside of racing. Even so,
UM that right now is to plan for me, at
least I believe that's Andy's plan. Like I said, we
just have barely started even breaking into that conversation right now, UM,
just because it's such an odd time of the year
to have it. But he built the midget this year,

(45:31):
so we've been kind of playing with the midgets a
little bit. Andy loves midgets. Honestly, he's the front car owner,
but he loves midgets more than front cars. I would
say he just eats up midgets. I don't know what
it is, but he just thinks they're the coolest thing.
And I did too, Honestly, I love midge racing. But UM, yeah,
we're gonna go out West with the midget and see

(45:51):
how that goes and hopefully, hopefully when some of those
bigger races, and then UM committed to doing Chilian Bowl
again with uh Swindell. I guess this is an announcement.
I guess this is gonna probably I just started saying,
I'm probably gonna get in trouble from Jordan's but I'm
sure it'll come out soon. So yeah, so's so far.

(46:12):
That's just all I have right now is just made
us out west doing indoor stuff with this fandels again.
So hopefully it's not as big of announcement as last year,
because I already did it for you. You're already yeah,
I was already there, so it's kind of expected, I
feel like right now, but I don't know, so hopefully
i'll get in too much trouble. Did he just buy
a piece of property here? Yes? He did? Yeah? Did
you buy it in Brownsburg? Yes? Getting warmer, Yeah, yes,

(46:36):
I had no clue, honestly, I mean I was. I
was chatting with Clipper, and Clipper said, I think those
guys just bosting property here. I said really, He said, yeah,
they're out of Phoenix, out of the Phoenix area. Said really,
I said, what are the chances we we uncanned this deal?
On the skinny, but I'll bet you a dollar to
a nickel it was my lot that he bought. Yeah, yeah,

(46:58):
just recently. Yeah, no, idea. I knew it was a
race team. I knew he was going to build a
race shop there, and I knew he was out of
the Phoenix area. And then Clipper said something about it
last night, and I'm like, I mean, it's gotta be
the same one. I knew it was an electrical company
because whenever we did closing, I think it was maybe
it's in the business name. But that's pretty funny that

(47:19):
that we have you on here and and you're driving
for those guys, and he bought the law for me,
and as they always say, it's a small world, right. Yeah, absolutely,
that's pretty cool. Pretty cool. So that's really cool. That's
like five minutes from my house. So yeah, best best
of luck with that man, for sure. So what was
the first Silver Crown dirt race you ran this year? That?
I mean, the Silver coun cars hadn't even been there,

(47:40):
and yeah, I don't even remember the stabb of them
been there forever. Have you ever been there? No, The
only places I've been in p A are were made
to trace. So um, yeah, I went to Ceiling's Grove,
pretty big place. First Crown race huge. Yeah, I didn't
know what dickspect um. I don't think anybody knew he
expect you know myself, Robbie, Joe. Nobody really knew what

(48:02):
we were, what we were doing, or what we're getting into.
But we were fast. We were really fast. Uh. I
was kind of conservative and hot laps and we were
pretty slow. And then we went out to qualify and
qualified like six, which is a lot better than what
we've been hot laughing, and raced well. We thought we
had the right plan. We saved tire, made it to
made it too very close to the end. I think
we we running third or fourth on the last lap

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and blew the tire going into three, so um yeah,
kind of a weird deal. I don't think anybody expected
tire ware to be that big there. And then all
of a sudden it took rubber and three and four
and um, Shane blew tire and came back and rove
by by. Yeah. I think that was the best strategy
if you can get a tire change quick enough. I
know he was. He didn't lose the lap, He went

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in and changed the tire and drove right back through
the field. Did it right? He he blew his tire
and someone turned over doing it, So you got plenty
of time. I had a red flag to change his time. Yeah,
Shane's been part of our be for a long time
and as a is a good friend as well, and
he is he's definitely something. So the Who's Your hundred

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had a pretty good run there. Yeah, yeah, I think
um just dirt, Yeah, I think that was you know,
we'd run ceilings Grow, which was obviously really good. We
had a good showing, but going to a mile, I
feel like for the dirt Crown Cars is kind of
where you where you really show what you have and
you know, if you got to get engine and if
you got you know, everything's you know, everything's put together.

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Rise really when that when that speed shows you know
a guy, a guy could be eight tents off. You know,
you go there and you don't know if you're gonna
be up to face or you're gonna be a second
off to face or what you really have. And um,
we were really really fast. We qualified second and um,
you know obviously Kyle Larson was a quick time, but
then he he changed tires, which probably was ended up

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being the better the better strategy, so we ended up
I heard a couple of people did that actually, Yeah,
handful of guys did so, but only one of him.
His last name was large Under. Yeah, so that was
the difference. Yeah, it was, it was. It was not
good because I think Sunshine put a hard tire on
to qualify, which is you know, helped him out a

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little bit with the starting position. But um, yeah, we
started on the pole and c J was next to me,
I think, and he took off a little bit better,
and I, you know, I was running in second, and
next thing you know, I knew Sunshine and Kyle on
harder tires and they were going to be the guys that, um,
we're gonna be tough if they got up front. And
like a lot three, Sunshine goes flying by me because
I'm just trying to save my tire a little bit.

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And then you know, we had a yellow and uh,
Robbie was spotting for me and just like, yeah, Kyle's
like one spot or two spots back. So I knew
when he got to the front that early we were
all in trouble. Um because I said he had a
harder tire, he didn't have to conserve much rice, so
he didn't have to conserve much and he drove. Um,

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I said, I was just trying to pace with c J,
just because I knew we were on the same tire,
and I knew he had run their race before, so
I knew he kind of had a better idea of
a pace than I did. That that says things like,
you don't know how long these tires. You know, my
first time ever on a mile and the rubber, I
have no idea. I know it's a really hard tire,
but I have no idea how long it's gonna last,
how hard you can run. Um, Like my warm you know,

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probably not the best idea I've ever had, but like
even my warm up a lot for qualifying, Like I
was trying to conserve because I knew, like we gotta
run this tire for a whole race, so um, like
coming to the green and qualifying, you know, I was
even then, I'm already thinking conserved high. Um, but yeah,
I'm conservant. The next thing, you know, Sunshine goes flying
by me and Larsing goes flying by me, and now

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I'm like, Okay, we're in trouble. Um, these guys got
hard tires and they're already ahead of us. You know.
The only hope really is to make sure they stay
behind you and really hurt their tire trying to go by.
And it's not not how their race played out for us. So, uh,
they got racing with CJ really hard, which I thought
was gonna work out for me everybody you know CJ,
especially use of his tire, but somehow he he made

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his last um. But yeah, Kyle just ended up. You know,
he had to a little bit better tire and he
was just really really fast. I don't know, it's got
to get to get better, I guess. So what's your
next sever Crown race? We have the Springfield Mile on
October eighteenth. Springfield Mile, Yeah, Springfield Yeah, presented by fat

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Heads Eyewear. We're the We're the ones that are We're
going to step in with its October eighteenth, October eighteenth,
and I believe we're going to give ten tickets away.
We're going to give ten tickets away when the show drops. Uh,
we'll have some more stuff leading up or there will
be things that have led up to this. How do

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you say that in next tense? Is it next tense?
Is that a word? Can we make that? Um? I
think you just did. It's official. You say it on
one of these shows. Like this and it'll be on
the interwebs now it's official. Whoever works at Webster, you know,
is that in the end right now? You know, I
mean we created the word and the racing industry. I'm

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convinced created the word winning ist a word but after
you know, twenty years of saying he was the winning
a sprint car driver and what would the correct right now?
But the most everybody, but everybody says it and I
I've yet to look it up, but I'll bet you
it's It's next on the list to go into the

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Webster's DICTIONARYA Logan traded his steering wheel for a microphone.
Last week, Governor Georgia did he accompanied Flow Racing, did
some commentary. How was that? It was fun? It was
a lot different. He did a great job, it was.
It was a lot different, But it was a lot

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It was a lot like just kind of doing an interview.
You know. Luckily I wasn't out there by myself or
something like that. You know, I always had Haley asking
me questions, or Dylan asking me questions, or you know,
Blake and the booth ask him stuff. So it was
just more like interviews. So it made a lot easier
on me. If I had to be like a full
blown thit reporter, I don't know if I could have
done that, but um, but it was fun, it was cool,
and um, I would definitely do it again. Man, thanks

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a lot for coming out and its spend out some
time with this man. Yeah, it's been fun. It's always
fun come over here here now right, Yeah, yeah, in Brownsburg.
So every once in a while become sitting Senrica's office
and hang out for a little bit. But but yeah,
it's always fun coming down here and talking to talking
to all you guys. More exciting news on our next
our next show. By the way, we've got a couple

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of exciting people, Shane Tecklenburg and Danny Drynen coming in here,
so we've got plenty of action coming your way. Thanks
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