Faith, Healing & Holistic Sobriety: Dr. Sarah Nasir on the Mind-Body-Spirit Connection in Recovery | Part 2
In Part 2 of this powerful convo, Nadine chats with Dr. Sarah Nasir about spirituality, Islam, and the mind-body-soul connection in addiction recovery. Learn how faith, holistic wellness, and her Transcendent U program help women heal.
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the-sober-butterfly_15_ (00:01):
Welcome back butterflies to the Sober
Butterfly.
We are still here with Dr.
Sarah Nasir, and she has sharedso much incredible wisdom and
insights around how the braincan be impacted by blackouts and
binge drinking.
And then also just in terms ofhow our bodies with diligence
and discipline and support canactually heal itself depending
(00:25):
on the severity of the use.
But for the most part there washope.
And so I would love to alsodiscuss with you, Dr.
Sarah, this idea around the bodymind.
Soul connection.
I think it's rare, and when Isay rare, I mean that in the
most beautiful way, but it'srare for me to hear an MD
(00:47):
discuss.
Spirituality or you know, theidea of the soul being a part of
who we are and a part of ourhealing process.
So can you talk to us a littlebit about what role spirituality
or religion plays in healing apatient or just healing in
general?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (01:06):
Yeah, I'll be happy to.
And actually, just to do onecorrection, and maybe that's why
I am able to talk about this ina way, is that I'm actually a do
of
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (01:16):
Oh, sorry.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (01:16):
Don't apologize.
This is such a common you know,confusion because what we
normally see is MD and it has,it's basically the first line of
medicine that was around.
And Dr.
Taylor Steele, who I mentionedearlier, the founder of
Osteopathy he was an MD and hefounded osteopathy.
And it also is that there are alot of MDs who are spiritually
(01:38):
minded and driven and focused.
I was actually talking with amentor and he's an md and we
were having the spiritualitydiscussion just re you know,
just a few months ago.
And so, and he was saying thatactually it's really funny.
Let me share the study that wewere learning about when we were
studying for our test is thatuh, there were some.
(02:00):
Questions asked to the medicalstudents as well as you know,
people drinking alcohol, uh, torank what are the different
areas of their know, differentareas that are more important to
them.
And the medical students choselike housing insecurity,
financial distress, et cetera.
And then they ranked God andspirituality at the very bottom.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (02:23):
Oh.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_0 (02:24):
However, when the patients were asked the
same questions, they actuallystarted with like God and.
Relationship as the first thingsthat are important to them, and
then housing and other things.
They're important, but theyranked them lower.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (02:39):
Mm.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (02:40):
So spirituality is a huge portion
of, you know, what I see whenpeople are trying to recover,
whether they're going throughthe 12 step program you know,
alcoholic Anonymous or NarcoticAnonymous, that spirituality,
that concept that.
You know, there's a higher powerto answer to Some of the
(03:02):
principles of 12 Steps programis that you have to acknowledge
that you have a problem that youneed help with, right?
spirituality plays a huge role.
And there have been many ofpeople who have used their faith
to, you know, support themthrough this difficult journey.
When they're having withdrawalsymptoms, they're having
(03:23):
cravings.
You know, they're not realizingthat the.
Biochemical imbalance in theirbody can also be supported with
you know, chemical, uh,prescriptions, which is what we
do as doctors, right?
And then the other aspect of itis that, that soul,'cause we
talked about how the soul, youknow, is the one that's driving
(03:43):
the vehicle, that's the body andmaking all the decisions.
So, those are many ways thatpeople of different
denominations and faith theyascribe to, regards to my
personal faith you know, I, Iwas talking with my mentor about
how alcohol is dealt with andfrom the Islamic historical
(04:04):
perspective.
'cause I'm a Muslim and I followIslam we're actually forbidden
to drink alcohol from the getgo.
Like, it's actually considered asin at this point.
But.
Islam was first revealed.
I just love the way that Godhelped people come off of
alcohol before it was likeforbidden.
(04:25):
He didn't just come and be like,God just didn't say like you,
you can't drink alcohol.
But he took steps as well tokind of train us to the early
Muslims to come off of alcoholand not drink it.
the Arabs at the time when Islamwas first revealed they were
drinking heavily.
(04:46):
It was, they were drinking asmuch as people nowadays are
drinking it.
Right?
And it was as important to theirculture, their social gatherings
to have a drink of alcohol.
And so when first it was wasremoved in three steps.
The first thing that was donewas it was just like God just
(05:06):
said, like, yes, there's funthings in alcohol, but it, there
is more evil in it than there'sgood in it and that it is the
mother of all evil.
So
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (05:16):
Wow.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (05:17):
like labeled it like as that.
So just like first that.
it in the consciousness that,you know, we didn't think about
it that way, that, you know, itcould be harming us.
So first the thought was put inthat this is not the best thing
for you and it's actuallyharming you.
thing that was done was that itwas said that if you're gonna
(05:38):
come and pray, like don'tapproach prayers.
When you're under influence,it's like, don't drive when
you're drunk, basically.
Right?
Don't pray while you're drunk.
And so, which was hard becauseat that time we were told to
pray five times a day.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (05:55):
Okay.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (05:55):
if you are drinking, then you don't
have enough time to get soberand time to pray
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (06:01):
it.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (06:02):
an alternative.
was first established.
So first the prayers wereestablished, then the
recommendation was put that, orthe, the law was put that don't
approach prayers underinfluence.
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (06:16):
Mm-hmm.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (06:17):
So then there was that de
distraction detraction.
And so people were slowly kindof letting go because they cared
more about their relationshipwith God and the high that they
got from that.
Closeness, that connection withsomething superior and with
themselves.
So connection replaced thatdrive or desire for alcohol.
(06:41):
And then when the finalcommandment came that don't
drink alcohol, I.
It's forbidden for you.
People as soon as like the, thetown crier went running and it's
like, don't drink alcohol.
Alcohol is now forbidden.
Everybody was like just pouringtheir wine on the streets
without even having a secondthought about it.
(07:01):
As well as you know, there wassomebody, some people who were
like, ha, like, were like aboutto put it in their mouth and
then, you know, they just pouredit out.
And then there were some peoplewho had it in.
Side their mouth about to drinkit, they spit it out and some
people actually went and theyvomited as well.
So that was the level of lovethey had for a higher connection
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than what this material broughtin their lives.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (07:29):
I think it's so beautiful on the
idea that it was a gradualrelease framework.
It wasn't just a decree likeimmediately everyone must stop
drinking.
It was done with love andintention, it sounds like, and a
way to set people up for successso I love that aspect.
And like to your point aroundwhat people realized.
(07:52):
Through that process?
Is that what they were craving?
It sounds like, wasn't thealcohol, it was the connection,
that connection to a higherbeing.
Yeah, the, the experience.
Right.
Having a connection to a higherpower.
I think is what so many peopleare missing, and something I'm
dealing with right now in mylife is this social, like
(08:16):
spiritual, I should say, deficitin certain areas.
Like I definitely feeldisconnected and that is.
A little bit remnant of how Ifelt when I first started on my
sober journey, and that is why Ido believe that, you know,
sobriety, yes, there is on paperbeing dry and not drinking.
(08:37):
But then there's also this otherterm that comes into play, which
is being a dry drunk, which islike you feel spiritually
bankrupt, right?
Like you feel like you don'thave anything inside, too poor.
To other people or like feelingalone.
And that's why so many peopledrink as well, right?
Like they feel isolated and theysay the opposite of addiction is
(08:58):
connection and all of thesethings.
So it's just, this is a greatreminder for me to hear just how
everything comes.
Into play and I didn't know thedifference between MD and do so,
thank you so much for sharingthat with us because that makes
a lot more sense in terms ofwhat you were mentioning before,
like your guiding holisticapproach to how you.
(09:19):
Interview your patients and howyou help treat and heal your
patients.
It's not just looking at oneseparate entity.
It's like understanding thateverything absolutely works in
tandem to collectively helpsomeone become a better version
of self.
So I love that.
Thank you for sharing that with,that's Dr.
Sarah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (09:39):
Of course, my pleasure.
And, you know, this is kind ofwhat gives me the high that I.
Love and I live and I chaseright now is that, that I
believe, this is my personalphilosophy is that, you know, we
spiritual beings in made flesh,basically, right?
Because the body is the thingthat time decays.
(10:04):
But the soul is the thing thatcan.
It, it's, it's the thing that webelieve was there before and
it's gonna continue to be thereafter the body is gone.
So, so I've found that when youfeed your soul and you take care
of your soul, that is, as yousaid, that is the.
(10:24):
I think in Chinese, the word isDante, the elixir of life.
In, in Tai Chi, that's the wordthat they
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (10:29):
Yeah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (10:30):
That is the, uh, reservoir that goes,
and it nurtures every other partof you.
what I'm finding is thatconnection, depending on what
type of connection it is, someconnections drain you.
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (10:44):
Mm-hmm.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04- (10:45):
Right.
It doesn't recharge you.
It doesn't replenish you, itjust takes away from you.
So those are the things thatleave you feeling hollow, empty,
isolated, lonely, used up.
You know,'cause there are some,you know, personalities that'll
just come, take, take, take,take.
And once they're done with you,they'll move on to the next.
(11:06):
In many ways and, and a lot ofmy patients are victims of
trauma from those types of enengagements and interactions.
Then there is the other type ofThe connection that just.
Fills you and, and, and it like,it's like rain falling on a, on
a hole.
It just like fills it up andthen that continues to overflow
(11:29):
and goes and nurtures everybodyand everything else in your
life.
And I believe that theconnection with the higher power
is one of.
The connections that replenishesthe soul because I believe that
the soul is an extension.
You know, it's from a part ofthat higher power.
And that's why when we areconnected to the source, we get
(11:52):
recharged.
And when you're around peoplewho are, you know, constantly in
that higher frequency and inthat higher you know.
situation.
Just being around them, itrecharges you and boosts you at
the same time.
Like sunflowers, they're allstanding in the sun and they're
just like, ah, I'm just likegonna follow the sun.
(12:12):
Or solar panels another optionif you want the tech aspect.
and then way you don't feel theloneliness.
Because you know that eventhough you don't have another
human being around you, youknow, sometimes animals do that
for you too.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (12:27):
Yeah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (12:28):
know, that's so, there's that so, uh,
spiritual aspect and then thatsocial aspect connects into
that.
Right?
And then a lot of times thatgoes into the last, uh,
dimension that I talk about.
I'm skipping the financialdimension here right now.
Is that, you know, that's whypeople want to create a legacy
(12:48):
and leave it behind because theywant to feel that sensation of
being connected.
Something that continues to,know, keep them in people's
memories or you know, thatimpact.
impact also is something thatrecharges us when we see it.
So these are the things that I'mseeing and this is what I use
(13:09):
when I'm using in my coaching tocreate, you know, guide
transcendence.
That's my coaching program.
Transcendent
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (13:16):
I love that.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (13:17):
And you know, I define transcendence
as inspired souls who transcendtheir limits.
with their limitless soul.
Harness the power of purposebecause we're all here for some
very good reason.
And I think when we reject ourpurpose is when we start to
become bitter, shrivel up to notgood people.
(13:41):
And then the last one is to livea life of design that's
fulfilling and thrilling.
And the way to achieve thattranscendence is through.
these six dimensions.
And that's what I use not onlywith my patients who are
struggling with any differentaspect of health, but mainly
addiction.
(14:02):
You know, individuals who aretrying to transcend in other
aspects of their lives, tryingto live their purpose.
You know, so that's kind of whatI'm doing in my life right now.
I feel like it is feeding mysoul.
It is helping me meet amazingpeople like you, Nadine as well
(14:23):
as creating that impact that I'mtrying to do.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (14:26):
I love that so much, and it sounds
like you have found purpose,which is maybe why you feel
full.
Can you remind us again, Dr.
Sarah, the six tenets so thatpeople can maybe dial in and
obviously connect with you ifthey would like to understand
more about these tenants?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (14:44):
Yeah.
So, there's actually, so I havethe pillars of transcendent,
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22 (14:50):
or transcendence.
Okay.
dr-sarah-nasir--do (14:53):
transcending your limits right in your head
around
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (14:56):
Okay.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3 (14:56):
connecting with your limitless soul,
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (14:59):
Okay.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (14:59):
uh, harnessing the power of your
purpose.
And living a fulfilling andthrilling life of design.
And the way to do it is throughbalancing the six dimensions,
homeostasis.
I think it's so amazing.
Mind, body, spirit, social,financial, and aspirational.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (15:18):
it.
That is brilliant.
I know that you mentioned thatyou work with a lot of clients
who have, I.
Either dealt with or currentlyworking through some addiction
issues, whether that becodependency or just maybe
drinking more or using more thanthey would like to or any of
these women Muslim as well,because it sounds like from
(15:38):
understanding a little bit moreabout your faith.
It is forbidden to drink or I'massuming also use substances,
and forgive me if that'signorant.
I'm just genuinely curious.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (15:48):
No, no.
I'm so glad you asked thatquestion because that's another
area of.
Interest and passion that I'mtrying to delve into.
I believe addiction is reallyreal in the Muslim community.
Uh, and it's not just women, butalso
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (16:03):
Mm-hmm.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (16:04):
and a lot of them stem from these
unbalanced dimensions, you
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (16:09):
Okay.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (16:09):
and not connecting with themselves
and not knowing what they want.
However, the problem is, this issuch a stigma in the community.
You know, oftentimes peopledon't believe that depression
exists.
You know, they're just totallybypassing
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (16:24):
see.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (16:24):
the mind.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (16:25):
Yeah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (16:26):
So I think in the non-Muslim
Western culture, thatacknowledgement of I.
health is more prominent andit's starting to pick up, but
yet still, it's a very shamefulthing to talk about.
Once again, that stigma comesin.
So I do encourage, you know, ifyou are somebody who identifies
(16:47):
as Muslim and you're somebodywho feels bad about the
substances that you're using, beit alcohol, be it marijuana, or
one of the other substances youknow.
Uh, seek help.
It, it doesn't have to beshameful.
God is forgiving.
You know how you said earlierthat we're imperfect beings?
(17:07):
And you know, there's a beautyin
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (17:09):
Mm-hmm.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04 (17:10):
because in the process of striving and
once again to transcend when weaim for those higher grounds
that transformation is sobeautiful.
You know, Nadine, I'm gonna useyour, your story here as an
example where you mentioned thatone, you know, four years ago
you were drinking more than youdid.
(17:32):
Did you ever think at that timethat you would be here today, a
successful hostess of abeautiful podcast, bringing hope
to so many, touching so manylives?
you think about, you think aboutdoing that before you started
drinking and your imperfection.
more, you know, intensified.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (17:54):
I've always been creative, but I
think I.
My drinking was stifling so muchof my potential and my true
creativity that once I was ableto remove the substance, I was
able to, see clearly I didn'tquite have a grasp on my
purpose, but I had less thingsin my way obstructing me from
getting to that next step, andthen the next step and the next
(18:16):
step.
Just leading with love andtrying to be of service to other
people, because I just know howimportant it is.
Back to your point aroundstigma.
I think as a black woman,there's still a lot of work to
be done in our community aroundwhat addiction looks like, and
it's not just, you know, likethe, these.
(18:36):
Archetypes of people who aremostly men I would say like all
of the false narratives aroundwhat a person who's suffering in
addiction looks like.
Like I very much look the sameas I did four years ago.
And I presented this version ofself that was.
Perfect.
But going back to what wediscussed, like I am perfectly
flawed because I'm human and Irecognize now that I'm living
(19:01):
more aligned to my true purpose,which is to help other people
and to share my story and hearother people's stories and
uplift voices like yours, Dr.
Nasir.
So thank you so much for askingme that question, and also just
being of service to otherpeople, especially in.
A community that desperatelyneeds more advocacy around
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mental health and around,healing and not feeling so alone
if they are struggling.
Because it sounds like a lot ofpeople struggle, but we all put
on this, not all many people puton this like persona or this
brave face of like.
I'm okay.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_0 (19:37):
Exactly.
And it's very natural to want toput your best face forward.
You that you know.
a, a courtesy.
However, underneath it, you needto take care of yourself to keep
showing up.
And because of the way that youtranscended your limits today,
you are now, you, it helped youfind the path that you needed to
(19:58):
be
the-sober-butterfly (19:58):
Absolutely.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04- (19:59):
create the impact that you are creating
at this time.
So, going back to, you know, themessage that I was sending, and
it's not just for, you know,Muslim men and women.
As you said, people of color,you know, native Americans have
a really
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22 (20:14):
Oh yes.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (20:15):
rate, right?
Disappearing and not havingclosure, like, like Native
American women, like, they gomissing and nobody goes looking
for them.
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (20:24):
Mm-hmm.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (20:25):
It's something that I'm sure the
black population has to dealwith as well.
So instead of giving into thedespair, that is the time to
harness your purpose becausemaybe you are meant to be
somebody who brings about thatchange for the better.
the-sober-butterfly_15_0 (20:42):
Right.
That's such, that's such auplifting way to like wind down
this conversation because Yeah.
I don't wanna wallow, I want toacknowledge that this, you know,
this world can be unfair in manyrespects, but I also want to.
Really use my gifts.
And it sounds like, you know, weall have gifts and it's about
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finding them and harnessing themin a way that can really help
other people.
And going back to even theanecdote that you gave around
the ranking of what weprioritize as a society, like I
definitely think being a memberof the western world, right?
Like we very much.
Prioritize materialism and moneyand things of these nature.
(21:26):
But personally don't believethat these things bring us any
closer to love or understandingor fulfillment, and they are
just distracters.
They take you away from whattruly matters the soul always
knows before, sometimes theconscious mind picks up on that
as well.
So this has been such an amazingconversation.
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Dr.
Sarah.
Thank you so much.
I, if it's okay with you, wouldlove to kind of just wind down
with a quick game.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-20 (21:54):
I love games.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (21:55):
cool.
It's a quick, rapid fire game,quick tips or thoughts that come
to mind.
You don't have to go into toomuch detail, just whatever comes
up first.
Okay.
So my first question for you,Dr.
Sarah, doctor's orders, what isone, what is one wellness
practice that you swear by orthat you adhere to?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (22:18):
Feed your soul first.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (22:20):
Mm.
I love that.
Feed your soul first.
how do you feed your soul first?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_0 (22:26):
Whatever it is that you feel.
Needs to be done, that's gonnagive you energy.
And for different people it'sdifferent.
For me, it's sitting down andthinking about how to create
businesses and how to connectwith, you know, networking with
people who have that similar.
Mindset of wanting to dosomething big for the world.
(22:47):
This is something, yes, this issomething that wakes me up at
night.
Not toxic ambition.
There's like a empowering
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (22:54):
Yeah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_ (22:54):
attracted to that.
And so these are things thatwill wake me up in the middle of
the night.
And even though I'm notsleeping, my usual or what they
say, we should be sleeping I'mstill energized and I have a lot
to do and I see that my outputincreases.
I.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (23:11):
Yeah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04- (23:12):
that's one of the ways you know that
this is something that feedsyour soul, is that you become
more energetic and you canactually sustain it for a long
period of time.
You show up more powerfully,more present.
You don't feel like you'remissing out.
Basically, you feel likeSuperman without the steroids.
'cause steroids have sideeffects, right?
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (23:33):
I feel that way about this podcast
because I'm tired.
I do like 1,000,001 jobs andthis is something that I always
feel char energized and charged.
I.
As I'm creating it, as I'mhaving these conversations, as
I'm brainstorming, as I'mfinding guests, et cetera, et
cetera.
So I am with you there like itis vision because the vision is
(23:54):
aligned to my purpose.
That is a beautiful answer.
Is there a book that has changedyour perspective, and if so, can
you share that with us?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (24:03):
This goes back to spirituality again.
This.
The one that I like the most isthe Quran.
that's the book for Muslims,that's like the Bible equivalent
for Muslims.
I believe this is what helps meunderstand God and, you know,
the beautiful way he speaks.
If you can read Arabic or listento it by a recit that has been
(24:25):
my lifelong book and you know, Ican't.
Think of any other one to saylike this.
I mean, there's so many booksthat shape
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (24:33):
Yeah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (24:34):
but the, the book that changes my
life every time I read it is theforehead.
the-sober-butterfly_15_0 (24:38):
That's beautiful.
Thank you so much for sharingthat.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04 (24:42):
course.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (24:42):
And what is one thing you wish more
people knew about addiction?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (24:47):
That is a disease.
It's treatable.
It doesn't need to bestigmatized.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (24:51):
I love that
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04- (24:52):
That's it.
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (24:53):
period.
And I also, my last question.
Oh, I have two more for you.
Okay.
Finish the sentence.
Healing is,
dr-sarah-nasir--do_ (25:03):
empowering.
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (25:04):
Healing is empowering.
And my final question for you,Dr.
Sarah, what is a mantra oraffirmation you return to often?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (25:14):
Oh, I love this question.
If not me, then who?
not now, then when?
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (25:23):
I love that.
If not me, then who?
If not now, then when?
Ah, that's just, if that doesn'tget you to act, I dunno what
will wake up people.
Time is now.
I love that.
That is so beautiful.
And that's such a great fullcircle moment back to like.
If someone is on that healingjourney, if somebody wants to
(25:43):
change their life, if somebodywants to get serious about their
health, and not just thephysical vessel, but like in
every component that we'veaddressed today, it's like,
yeah, if not me, then who?
Who's gonna do it?
And if not now, then when.
Okay.
Time is ticking.
You just looked at your watch.
Yeah.
Time is ticking.
Time to get to work people.
I love that so much.
This has been such a pleasurehaving you on the show, Dr.
(26:05):
Sarah.
I would just love to wrap upwith an open platform or open
the platform up to you to sharewhere listeners can connect with
you or work with you and just ifyou have any upcoming offerings,
resources, communities thatyou'd like to share, now is the
perfect time to do so.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (26:25):
Thank you so much Nadine and I once
again, thank you so much forhaving on this show.
This has been such a socialevent for not just like, it
doesn't feel like a podcast likeinterview.
It feels like we had fun.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (26:37):
Yes.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-20 (26:38):
I love the conversation we had.
This is the type of socialactivity that I like to do is
just sit and dive deep and just.
Refill the soul and come outready for the next one.
And I appreciate you having sucha platform
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (26:54):
Thank you
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (26:55):
you for that.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (26:56):
for that.
Thank you so much foreverything.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (26:58):
And I hope your, your audience
enjoys and enjoys this as muchas I did.
You know, that they feel thatconnection, that they see
themselves in these stories andthey are leaving this
communication.
With power and control overtheir own story and how their
lives are gonna be for the restof it.
(27:19):
Right?
And thank you.
And so, the ways to reach me ifyou are in California, you need
a doctor who needs to help youwith addiction and the other
aspects of your health.
You're somebody who believes inyourself.
Maybe not now, but you dorealize that you have a
potential and you're itching anddriving burning to do something
(27:41):
about it.
I would love it if you work withme.
I'm opening up a, a conciergetelemedicine practice to do
exactly that.
It's gonna be only in Californiafor now.
the future, hopefully in otherstates.
It's called Zara Care, and youcan find it on www.zara,
Z-E-N-A-R-A-C-A-R-E.
(28:03):
Dot com.
Now, if you wanna work with meas a coach, because you want to
bring those brain children tothe world and you wanna do
something with it, I lovebirthing brain children's and
helping you develop them.
Or you want help with addictionwithout the medical aspect, and
you're in other states otherthan California.
Then my coaching program forTranscendent U would be a good
(28:26):
one.
And this one, Nadine, if youdon't mind.
Right.
Leaving it on a text.
It's there's a misspelling in itintentionally.
It's called, it isT-R-A-N-S-C-E-N-D-A-N-T-Y-O-U
transcendent u.com.
Okay.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (28:44):
I will link everything below in
the show notes for folks to findthat.
Thank you so much, Dr.
Sarah.
This has been one of my favoriteconversations all year.
I've learned so much, and youwere welcome to come back on the
show anytime for the record.
So thank you so much, and.
I behind the scenes youmentioned if I'm in California I
(29:05):
can come hang out with you.
I will totally take you up inthe offer because I love
California and I always
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (29:12):
Yeah.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (29:12):
love an excuse to travel, so thank
you.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (29:14):
You know, make it a business trip
and then maybe we can have aparty and it'll be for the
podcast.
And we'll just, just have likewhat we call a halal party.
Alcohol free.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (29:26):
love that.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (29:27):
free.
And we'll just bring people whoappreciate the sober connection.
And we'll just broadcast it.
And there you go.
It'll be a business
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (29:36):
Write it off.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (29:38):
Yes.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (29:38):
Thank you.
So thank
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (29:40):
Of
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (29:41):
you and I, we brain, I love that.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (29:43):
Okay.
Sounds good.
Yeah.
So yeah, if you guys wanna hangout and have fun, you need that
what is it, that stage to justenjoy, keep an eye out on
Nadine, maybe Nadine, butterflyand transcendent.
You can do something together.
Have like a year, maybe we canhave a New Year's
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (30:01):
That would be so much fun.
I love New Year's.
I really do.
I think it's such a great way tolike usher in just good vibes
for the next year.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (30:10):
Also high time for alcohol,
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (30:12):
Yes, exactly, exactly.
It used to be my favorite hall.
It still is one of my topfavorite holidays, but for that
reason,'cause I could go out andparty, but we can still have a
good time without alcohol.
That's one thing that we preachhere at the Sober Butterfly, so
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (30:25):
Yeah.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (30:26):
I appreciate that.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (30:26):
asked what to look out for next.
Watch out for Butterfly andTranscendent you hosting your
next New Year, new Year's Eve.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (30:34):
I love that you guys stay tuned.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (30:36):
Yes.
Bye.
Welcome back butterflies to the Sober
Butterfly.
We are still here with Dr.
Sarah Nasir, and she has sharedso much incredible wisdom and
insights around how the braincan be impacted by blackouts and
binge drinking.
And then also just in terms ofhow our bodies with diligence
and discipline and support canactually heal itself depending
(00:25):
on the severity of the use.
But for the most part there washope.
And so I would love to alsodiscuss with you, Dr.
Sarah, this idea around the bodymind.
Soul connection.
I think it's rare, and when Isay rare, I mean that in the
most beautiful way, but it'srare for me to hear an MD
(00:47):
discuss.
Spirituality or you know, theidea of the soul being a part of
who we are and a part of ourhealing process.
So can you talk to us a littlebit about what role spirituality
or religion plays in healing apatient or just healing in
general?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (01:06):
Yeah, I'll be happy to.
And actually, just to do onecorrection, and maybe that's why
I am able to talk about this ina way, is that I'm actually a do
of
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (01:16):
Oh, sorry.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (01:16):
Don't apologize.
This is such a common you know,confusion because what we
normally see is MD and it has,it's basically the first line of
medicine that was around.
And Dr.
Taylor Steele, who I mentionedearlier, the founder of
Osteopathy he was an MD and hefounded osteopathy.
And it also is that there are alot of MDs who are spiritually
(01:38):
minded and driven and focused.
I was actually talking with amentor and he's an md and we
were having the spiritualitydiscussion just re you know,
just a few months ago.
And so, and he was saying thatactually it's really funny.
Let me share the study that wewere learning about when we were
studying for our test is thatuh, there were some.
(02:00):
Questions asked to the medicalstudents as well as you know,
people drinking alcohol, uh, torank what are the different
areas of their know, differentareas that are more important to
them.
And the medical students choselike housing insecurity,
financial distress, et cetera.
And then they ranked God andspirituality at the very bottom.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (02:23):
Oh.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_0 (02:24):
However, when the patients were asked the
same questions, they actuallystarted with like God and.
Relationship as the first thingsthat are important to them, and
then housing and other things.
They're important, but theyranked them lower.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (02:39):
Mm.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (02:40):
So spirituality is a huge portion
of, you know, what I see whenpeople are trying to recover,
whether they're going throughthe 12 step program you know,
alcoholic Anonymous or NarcoticAnonymous, that spirituality,
that concept that.
You know, there's a higher powerto answer to Some of the
(03:02):
principles of 12 Steps programis that you have to acknowledge
that you have a problem that youneed help with, right?
spirituality plays a huge role.
And there have been many ofpeople who have used their faith
to, you know, support themthrough this difficult journey.
When they're having withdrawalsymptoms, they're having
(03:23):
cravings.
You know, they're not realizingthat the.
Biochemical imbalance in theirbody can also be supported with
you know, chemical, uh,prescriptions, which is what we
do as doctors, right?
And then the other aspect of itis that, that soul,'cause we
talked about how the soul, youknow, is the one that's driving
(03:43):
the vehicle, that's the body andmaking all the decisions.
So, those are many ways thatpeople of different
denominations and faith theyascribe to, regards to my
personal faith you know, I, Iwas talking with my mentor about
how alcohol is dealt with andfrom the Islamic historical
(04:04):
perspective.
'cause I'm a Muslim and I followIslam we're actually forbidden
to drink alcohol from the getgo.
Like, it's actually considered asin at this point.
But.
Islam was first revealed.
I just love the way that Godhelped people come off of
alcohol before it was likeforbidden.
(04:25):
He didn't just come and be like,God just didn't say like you,
you can't drink alcohol.
But he took steps as well tokind of train us to the early
Muslims to come off of alcoholand not drink it.
the Arabs at the time when Islamwas first revealed they were
drinking heavily.
(04:46):
It was, they were drinking asmuch as people nowadays are
drinking it.
Right?
And it was as important to theirculture, their social gatherings
to have a drink of alcohol.
And so when first it was wasremoved in three steps.
The first thing that was donewas it was just like God just
(05:06):
said, like, yes, there's funthings in alcohol, but it, there
is more evil in it than there'sgood in it and that it is the
mother of all evil.
So
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (05:16):
Wow.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (05:17):
like labeled it like as that.
So just like first that.
it in the consciousness that,you know, we didn't think about
it that way, that, you know, itcould be harming us.
So first the thought was put inthat this is not the best thing
for you and it's actuallyharming you.
thing that was done was that itwas said that if you're gonna
(05:38):
come and pray, like don'tapproach prayers.
When you're under influence,it's like, don't drive when
you're drunk, basically.
Right?
Don't pray while you're drunk.
And so, which was hard becauseat that time we were told to
pray five times a day.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (05:55):
Okay.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (05:55):
if you are drinking, then you don't
have enough time to get soberand time to pray
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (06:01):
it.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (06:02):
an alternative.
was first established.
So first the prayers wereestablished, then the
recommendation was put that, orthe, the law was put that don't
approach prayers underinfluence.
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (06:16):
Mm-hmm.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (06:17):
So then there was that de
distraction detraction.
And so people were slowly kindof letting go because they cared
more about their relationshipwith God and the high that they
got from that.
Closeness, that connection withsomething superior and with
themselves.
So connection replaced thatdrive or desire for alcohol.
(06:41):
And then when the finalcommandment came that don't
drink alcohol, I.
It's forbidden for you.
People as soon as like the, thetown crier went running and it's
like, don't drink alcohol.
Alcohol is now forbidden.
Everybody was like just pouringtheir wine on the streets
without even having a secondthought about it.
(07:01):
As well as you know, there wassomebody, some people who were
like, ha, like, were like aboutto put it in their mouth and
then, you know, they just pouredit out.
And then there were some peoplewho had it in.
Side their mouth about to drinkit, they spit it out and some
people actually went and theyvomited as well.
So that was the level of lovethey had for a higher connection
(07:25):
than what this material broughtin their lives.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (07:29):
I think it's so beautiful on the
idea that it was a gradualrelease framework.
It wasn't just a decree likeimmediately everyone must stop
drinking.
It was done with love andintention, it sounds like, and a
way to set people up for successso I love that aspect.
And like to your point aroundwhat people realized.
(07:52):
Through that process?
Is that what they were craving?
It sounds like, wasn't thealcohol, it was the connection,
that connection to a higherbeing.
Yeah, the, the experience.
Right.
Having a connection to a higherpower.
I think is what so many peopleare missing, and something I'm
dealing with right now in mylife is this social, like
(08:16):
spiritual, I should say, deficitin certain areas.
Like I definitely feeldisconnected and that is.
A little bit remnant of how Ifelt when I first started on my
sober journey, and that is why Ido believe that, you know,
sobriety, yes, there is on paperbeing dry and not drinking.
(08:37):
But then there's also this otherterm that comes into play, which
is being a dry drunk, which islike you feel spiritually
bankrupt, right?
Like you feel like you don'thave anything inside, too poor.
To other people or like feelingalone.
And that's why so many peopledrink as well, right?
Like they feel isolated and theysay the opposite of addiction is
(08:58):
connection and all of thesethings.
So it's just, this is a greatreminder for me to hear just how
everything comes.
Into play and I didn't know thedifference between MD and do so,
thank you so much for sharingthat with us because that makes
a lot more sense in terms ofwhat you were mentioning before,
like your guiding holisticapproach to how you.
(09:19):
Interview your patients and howyou help treat and heal your
patients.
It's not just looking at oneseparate entity.
It's like understanding thateverything absolutely works in
tandem to collectively helpsomeone become a better version
of self.
So I love that.
Thank you for sharing that with,that's Dr.
Sarah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (09:39):
Of course, my pleasure.
And, you know, this is kind ofwhat gives me the high that I.
Love and I live and I chaseright now is that, that I
believe, this is my personalphilosophy is that, you know, we
spiritual beings in made flesh,basically, right?
Because the body is the thingthat time decays.
(10:04):
But the soul is the thing thatcan.
It, it's, it's the thing that webelieve was there before and
it's gonna continue to be thereafter the body is gone.
So, so I've found that when youfeed your soul and you take care
of your soul, that is, as yousaid, that is the.
(10:24):
I think in Chinese, the word isDante, the elixir of life.
In, in Tai Chi, that's the wordthat they
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (10:29):
Yeah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (10:30):
That is the, uh, reservoir that goes,
and it nurtures every other partof you.
what I'm finding is thatconnection, depending on what
type of connection it is, someconnections drain you.
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (10:44):
Mm-hmm.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04- (10:45):
Right.
It doesn't recharge you.
It doesn't replenish you, itjust takes away from you.
So those are the things thatleave you feeling hollow, empty,
isolated, lonely, used up.
You know,'cause there are some,you know, personalities that'll
just come, take, take, take,take.
And once they're done with you,they'll move on to the next.
(11:06):
In many ways and, and a lot ofmy patients are victims of
trauma from those types of enengagements and interactions.
Then there is the other type ofThe connection that just.
Fills you and, and, and it like,it's like rain falling on a, on
a hole.
It just like fills it up andthen that continues to overflow
(11:29):
and goes and nurtures everybodyand everything else in your
life.
And I believe that theconnection with the higher power
is one of.
The connections that replenishesthe soul because I believe that
the soul is an extension.
You know, it's from a part ofthat higher power.
And that's why when we areconnected to the source, we get
(11:52):
recharged.
And when you're around peoplewho are, you know, constantly in
that higher frequency and inthat higher you know.
situation.
Just being around them, itrecharges you and boosts you at
the same time.
Like sunflowers, they're allstanding in the sun and they're
just like, ah, I'm just likegonna follow the sun.
(12:12):
Or solar panels another optionif you want the tech aspect.
and then way you don't feel theloneliness.
Because you know that eventhough you don't have another
human being around you, youknow, sometimes animals do that
for you too.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (12:27):
Yeah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (12:28):
know, that's so, there's that so, uh,
spiritual aspect and then thatsocial aspect connects into
that.
Right?
And then a lot of times thatgoes into the last, uh,
dimension that I talk about.
I'm skipping the financialdimension here right now.
Is that, you know, that's whypeople want to create a legacy
(12:48):
and leave it behind because theywant to feel that sensation of
being connected.
Something that continues to,know, keep them in people's
memories or you know, thatimpact.
impact also is something thatrecharges us when we see it.
So these are the things that I'mseeing and this is what I use
(13:09):
when I'm using in my coaching tocreate, you know, guide
transcendence.
That's my coaching program.
Transcendent
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (13:16):
I love that.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (13:17):
And you know, I define transcendence
as inspired souls who transcendtheir limits.
with their limitless soul.
Harness the power of purposebecause we're all here for some
very good reason.
And I think when we reject ourpurpose is when we start to
become bitter, shrivel up to notgood people.
(13:41):
And then the last one is to livea life of design that's
fulfilling and thrilling.
And the way to achieve thattranscendence is through.
these six dimensions.
And that's what I use not onlywith my patients who are
struggling with any differentaspect of health, but mainly
addiction.
(14:02):
You know, individuals who aretrying to transcend in other
aspects of their lives, tryingto live their purpose.
You know, so that's kind of whatI'm doing in my life right now.
I feel like it is feeding mysoul.
It is helping me meet amazingpeople like you, Nadine as well
(14:23):
as creating that impact that I'mtrying to do.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (14:26):
I love that so much, and it sounds
like you have found purpose,which is maybe why you feel
full.
Can you remind us again, Dr.
Sarah, the six tenets so thatpeople can maybe dial in and
obviously connect with you ifthey would like to understand
more about these tenants?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (14:44):
Yeah.
So, there's actually, so I havethe pillars of transcendent,
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22 (14:50):
or transcendence.
Okay.
dr-sarah-nasir--do (14:53):
transcending your limits right in your head
around
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (14:56):
Okay.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3 (14:56):
connecting with your limitless soul,
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (14:59):
Okay.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (14:59):
uh, harnessing the power of your
purpose.
And living a fulfilling andthrilling life of design.
And the way to do it is throughbalancing the six dimensions,
homeostasis.
I think it's so amazing.
Mind, body, spirit, social,financial, and aspirational.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (15:18):
it.
That is brilliant.
I know that you mentioned thatyou work with a lot of clients
who have, I.
Either dealt with or currentlyworking through some addiction
issues, whether that becodependency or just maybe
drinking more or using more thanthey would like to or any of
these women Muslim as well,because it sounds like from
(15:38):
understanding a little bit moreabout your faith.
It is forbidden to drink or I'massuming also use substances,
and forgive me if that'signorant.
I'm just genuinely curious.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (15:48):
No, no.
I'm so glad you asked thatquestion because that's another
area of.
Interest and passion that I'mtrying to delve into.
I believe addiction is reallyreal in the Muslim community.
Uh, and it's not just women, butalso
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (16:03):
Mm-hmm.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (16:04):
and a lot of them stem from these
unbalanced dimensions, you
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (16:09):
Okay.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (16:09):
and not connecting with themselves
and not knowing what they want.
However, the problem is, this issuch a stigma in the community.
You know, oftentimes peopledon't believe that depression
exists.
You know, they're just totallybypassing
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (16:24):
see.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (16:24):
the mind.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (16:25):
Yeah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (16:26):
So I think in the non-Muslim
Western culture, thatacknowledgement of I.
health is more prominent andit's starting to pick up, but
yet still, it's a very shamefulthing to talk about.
Once again, that stigma comesin.
So I do encourage, you know, ifyou are somebody who identifies
(16:47):
as Muslim and you're somebodywho feels bad about the
substances that you're using, beit alcohol, be it marijuana, or
one of the other substances youknow.
Uh, seek help.
It, it doesn't have to beshameful.
God is forgiving.
You know how you said earlierthat we're imperfect beings?
(17:07):
And you know, there's a beautyin
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (17:09):
Mm-hmm.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04 (17:10):
because in the process of striving and
once again to transcend when weaim for those higher grounds
that transformation is sobeautiful.
You know, Nadine, I'm gonna useyour, your story here as an
example where you mentioned thatone, you know, four years ago
you were drinking more than youdid.
(17:32):
Did you ever think at that timethat you would be here today, a
successful hostess of abeautiful podcast, bringing hope
to so many, touching so manylives?
you think about, you think aboutdoing that before you started
drinking and your imperfection.
more, you know, intensified.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (17:54):
I've always been creative, but I
think I.
My drinking was stifling so muchof my potential and my true
creativity that once I was ableto remove the substance, I was
able to, see clearly I didn'tquite have a grasp on my
purpose, but I had less thingsin my way obstructing me from
getting to that next step, andthen the next step and the next
(18:16):
step.
Just leading with love andtrying to be of service to other
people, because I just know howimportant it is.
Back to your point aroundstigma.
I think as a black woman,there's still a lot of work to
be done in our community aroundwhat addiction looks like, and
it's not just, you know, likethe, these.
(18:36):
Archetypes of people who aremostly men I would say like all
of the false narratives aroundwhat a person who's suffering in
addiction looks like.
Like I very much look the sameas I did four years ago.
And I presented this version ofself that was.
Perfect.
But going back to what wediscussed, like I am perfectly
flawed because I'm human and Irecognize now that I'm living
(19:01):
more aligned to my true purpose,which is to help other people
and to share my story and hearother people's stories and
uplift voices like yours, Dr.
Nasir.
So thank you so much for askingme that question, and also just
being of service to otherpeople, especially in.
A community that desperatelyneeds more advocacy around
(19:22):
mental health and around,healing and not feeling so alone
if they are struggling.
Because it sounds like a lot ofpeople struggle, but we all put
on this, not all many people puton this like persona or this
brave face of like.
I'm okay.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_0 (19:37):
Exactly.
And it's very natural to want toput your best face forward.
You that you know.
a, a courtesy.
However, underneath it, you needto take care of yourself to keep
showing up.
And because of the way that youtranscended your limits today,
you are now, you, it helped youfind the path that you needed to
(19:58):
be
the-sober-butterfly (19:58):
Absolutely.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04- (19:59):
create the impact that you are creating
at this time.
So, going back to, you know, themessage that I was sending, and
it's not just for, you know,Muslim men and women.
As you said, people of color,you know, native Americans have
a really
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22 (20:14):
Oh yes.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (20:15):
rate, right?
Disappearing and not havingclosure, like, like Native
American women, like, they gomissing and nobody goes looking
for them.
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (20:24):
Mm-hmm.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (20:25):
It's something that I'm sure the
black population has to dealwith as well.
So instead of giving into thedespair, that is the time to
harness your purpose becausemaybe you are meant to be
somebody who brings about thatchange for the better.
the-sober-butterfly_15_0 (20:42):
Right.
That's such, that's such auplifting way to like wind down
this conversation because Yeah.
I don't wanna wallow, I want toacknowledge that this, you know,
this world can be unfair in manyrespects, but I also want to.
Really use my gifts.
And it sounds like, you know, weall have gifts and it's about
(21:06):
finding them and harnessing themin a way that can really help
other people.
And going back to even theanecdote that you gave around
the ranking of what weprioritize as a society, like I
definitely think being a memberof the western world, right?
Like we very much.
Prioritize materialism and moneyand things of these nature.
(21:26):
But personally don't believethat these things bring us any
closer to love or understandingor fulfillment, and they are
just distracters.
They take you away from whattruly matters the soul always
knows before, sometimes theconscious mind picks up on that
as well.
So this has been such an amazingconversation.
(21:47):
Dr.
Sarah.
Thank you so much.
I, if it's okay with you, wouldlove to kind of just wind down
with a quick game.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-20 (21:54):
I love games.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (21:55):
cool.
It's a quick, rapid fire game,quick tips or thoughts that come
to mind.
You don't have to go into toomuch detail, just whatever comes
up first.
Okay.
So my first question for you,Dr.
Sarah, doctor's orders, what isone, what is one wellness
practice that you swear by orthat you adhere to?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (22:18):
Feed your soul first.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (22:20):
Mm.
I love that.
Feed your soul first.
how do you feed your soul first?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_0 (22:26):
Whatever it is that you feel.
Needs to be done, that's gonnagive you energy.
And for different people it'sdifferent.
For me, it's sitting down andthinking about how to create
businesses and how to connectwith, you know, networking with
people who have that similar.
Mindset of wanting to dosomething big for the world.
(22:47):
This is something, yes, this issomething that wakes me up at
night.
Not toxic ambition.
There's like a empowering
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (22:54):
Yeah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_ (22:54):
attracted to that.
And so these are things thatwill wake me up in the middle of
the night.
And even though I'm notsleeping, my usual or what they
say, we should be sleeping I'mstill energized and I have a lot
to do and I see that my outputincreases.
I.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (23:11):
Yeah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04- (23:12):
that's one of the ways you know that
this is something that feedsyour soul, is that you become
more energetic and you canactually sustain it for a long
period of time.
You show up more powerfully,more present.
You don't feel like you'remissing out.
Basically, you feel likeSuperman without the steroids.
'cause steroids have sideeffects, right?
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (23:33):
I feel that way about this podcast
because I'm tired.
I do like 1,000,001 jobs andthis is something that I always
feel char energized and charged.
I.
As I'm creating it, as I'mhaving these conversations, as
I'm brainstorming, as I'mfinding guests, et cetera, et
cetera.
So I am with you there like itis vision because the vision is
(23:54):
aligned to my purpose.
That is a beautiful answer.
Is there a book that has changedyour perspective, and if so, can
you share that with us?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (24:03):
This goes back to spirituality again.
This.
The one that I like the most isthe Quran.
that's the book for Muslims,that's like the Bible equivalent
for Muslims.
I believe this is what helps meunderstand God and, you know,
the beautiful way he speaks.
If you can read Arabic or listento it by a recit that has been
(24:25):
my lifelong book and you know, Ican't.
Think of any other one to saylike this.
I mean, there's so many booksthat shape
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (24:33):
Yeah.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (24:34):
but the, the book that changes my
life every time I read it is theforehead.
the-sober-butterfly_15_0 (24:38):
That's beautiful.
Thank you so much for sharingthat.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04 (24:42):
course.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (24:42):
And what is one thing you wish more
people knew about addiction?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (24:47):
That is a disease.
It's treatable.
It doesn't need to bestigmatized.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (24:51):
I love that
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04- (24:52):
That's it.
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (24:53):
period.
And I also, my last question.
Oh, I have two more for you.
Okay.
Finish the sentence.
Healing is,
dr-sarah-nasir--do_ (25:03):
empowering.
the-sober-butterfly_15_ (25:04):
Healing is empowering.
And my final question for you,Dr.
Sarah, what is a mantra oraffirmation you return to often?
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (25:14):
Oh, I love this question.
If not me, then who?
not now, then when?
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (25:23):
I love that.
If not me, then who?
If not now, then when?
Ah, that's just, if that doesn'tget you to act, I dunno what
will wake up people.
Time is now.
I love that.
That is so beautiful.
And that's such a great fullcircle moment back to like.
If someone is on that healingjourney, if somebody wants to
(25:43):
change their life, if somebodywants to get serious about their
health, and not just thephysical vessel, but like in
every component that we'veaddressed today, it's like,
yeah, if not me, then who?
Who's gonna do it?
And if not now, then when.
Okay.
Time is ticking.
You just looked at your watch.
Yeah.
Time is ticking.
Time to get to work people.
I love that so much.
This has been such a pleasurehaving you on the show, Dr.
(26:05):
Sarah.
I would just love to wrap upwith an open platform or open
the platform up to you to sharewhere listeners can connect with
you or work with you and just ifyou have any upcoming offerings,
resources, communities thatyou'd like to share, now is the
perfect time to do so.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (26:25):
Thank you so much Nadine and I once
again, thank you so much forhaving on this show.
This has been such a socialevent for not just like, it
doesn't feel like a podcast likeinterview.
It feels like we had fun.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (26:37):
Yes.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-20 (26:38):
I love the conversation we had.
This is the type of socialactivity that I like to do is
just sit and dive deep and just.
Refill the soul and come outready for the next one.
And I appreciate you having sucha platform
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (26:54):
Thank you
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (26:55):
you for that.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (26:56):
for that.
Thank you so much foreverything.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (26:58):
And I hope your, your audience
enjoys and enjoys this as muchas I did.
You know, that they feel thatconnection, that they see
themselves in these stories andthey are leaving this
communication.
With power and control overtheir own story and how their
lives are gonna be for the restof it.
(27:19):
Right?
And thank you.
And so, the ways to reach me ifyou are in California, you need
a doctor who needs to help youwith addiction and the other
aspects of your health.
You're somebody who believes inyourself.
Maybe not now, but you dorealize that you have a
potential and you're itching anddriving burning to do something
(27:41):
about it.
I would love it if you work withme.
I'm opening up a, a conciergetelemedicine practice to do
exactly that.
It's gonna be only in Californiafor now.
the future, hopefully in otherstates.
It's called Zara Care, and youcan find it on www.zara,
Z-E-N-A-R-A-C-A-R-E.
(28:03):
Dot com.
Now, if you wanna work with meas a coach, because you want to
bring those brain children tothe world and you wanna do
something with it, I lovebirthing brain children's and
helping you develop them.
Or you want help with addictionwithout the medical aspect, and
you're in other states otherthan California.
Then my coaching program forTranscendent U would be a good
(28:26):
one.
And this one, Nadine, if youdon't mind.
Right.
Leaving it on a text.
It's there's a misspelling in itintentionally.
It's called, it isT-R-A-N-S-C-E-N-D-A-N-T-Y-O-U
transcendent u.com.
Okay.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (28:44):
I will link everything below in
the show notes for folks to findthat.
Thank you so much, Dr.
Sarah.
This has been one of my favoriteconversations all year.
I've learned so much, and youwere welcome to come back on the
show anytime for the record.
So thank you so much, and.
I behind the scenes youmentioned if I'm in California I
(29:05):
can come hang out with you.
I will totally take you up inthe offer because I love
California and I always
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (29:12):
Yeah.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (29:12):
love an excuse to travel, so thank
you.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22- (29:14):
You know, make it a business trip
and then maybe we can have aparty and it'll be for the
podcast.
And we'll just, just have likewhat we call a halal party.
Alcohol free.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (29:26):
love that.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (29:27):
free.
And we'll just bring people whoappreciate the sober connection.
And we'll just broadcast it.
And there you go.
It'll be a business
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (29:36):
Write it off.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (29:38):
Yes.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04 (29:38):
Thank you.
So thank
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22-2 (29:40):
Of
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-2 (29:41):
you and I, we brain, I love that.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (29:43):
Okay.
Sounds good.
Yeah.
So yeah, if you guys wanna hangout and have fun, you need that
what is it, that stage to justenjoy, keep an eye out on
Nadine, maybe Nadine, butterflyand transcendent.
You can do something together.
Have like a year, maybe we canhave a New Year's
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (30:01):
That would be so much fun.
I love New Year's.
I really do.
I think it's such a great way tolike usher in just good vibes
for the next year.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (30:10):
Also high time for alcohol,
the-sober-butterfly_15_04- (30:12):
Yes, exactly, exactly.
It used to be my favorite hall.
It still is one of my topfavorite holidays, but for that
reason,'cause I could go out andparty, but we can still have a
good time without alcohol.
That's one thing that we preachhere at the Sober Butterfly, so
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (30:25):
Yeah.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (30:26):
I appreciate that.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-2 (30:26):
asked what to look out for next.
Watch out for Butterfly andTranscendent you hosting your
next New Year, new Year's Eve.
the-sober-butterfly_15_04-22- (30:34):
I love that you guys stay tuned.
dr-sarah-nasir--do_3_04-22 (30:36):
Yes.
Bye.
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