277 TSMMM: Dupont de Ligonnès Family

In this year’s The Stars Made Me Murder episode, Ciera is rejoined by Kailin to discuss the case of one of France’s most chilling crimes: the Dupont de Ligonnès family murders. While we always precise that the stars don’t actually make anyone murder…the family annihilator in this case not only had astrology in mind during this horrendous act, but the astrology of the day these crimes were committed were intense to say the least. What do you think happened that day and what would you make of this potent Aries stellium?

Episode Transcript

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welcome back to The Stars made Me Do It, and welcome back to
another episode of our yearly The Stars Made Me Murder and
Welcome back Caitlin. Thank you here.
I'm excited to be here. This is, if you are new to this,
I guess, kind of miniseries of the stars made me do it.

(00:38):
Kaylin Once Upon a time had a true crime podcast and we
collaborated. And now she just comes back on
as like a a yearly guest to go over, you know, as us good
millennials. Do you know, a true crime
moment? And then I'm going to bring the
astrology to it. So yeah, let us know what we're
diving into this year. This year I decided to, this was

(01:01):
the first episode of my podcast and it's like the creepiest
murderer I can think of. It's the DuPont de Ligoness
family murders and it happened in Mount France.
It's just, it gives me like the heebie jeebies.
So yeah, I'm excited. Well, I'm not excited to tell
you about it, but it'll be interesting to learn about the
astrology, so. Yeah, you know what, just like

(01:25):
by sheer happenstance, I was literally just in Nantes like
last weekend. And so I like and that was kind
of right before we decided for sure to do this case.
And so I would have gone and I don't know seen if I could have
gotten more, I don't know some in person info.
But yeah, it is well, in these episodes.

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Let me just give a little disclaimer if you are new here,
even if you're not, we are doingthis with as much respect as
possible to the families, to thesituation.
We understand that this is not just something for, you know,
entertainment consumption. We understand these are real
people that we're talking about.So we just want to put that out
there that this is all with as much respect as possible.

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And if you are a usual consumer of the Stars Made Me Do it and
you are not a fan of true crime,just skip on over to next week's
episode because this is not our usual content.
This is going to get more graphic.
This is definitely a trigger warning for murder, violence
and. Family annihilation.

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It won't be gory, but it is disturbing.
So. Yes, so that if you are, you
know, in the rather large bracket of people who enjoy both
astrology and true crime, this is going to be very fascinating.
And if you are not, no worries. We'll see you next week.
Back to regularly scheduled programming.
And if this is your, you know, this is something that you're

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really interested in. We do have multiple episodes out
already. Our little collab of the stars
made me murder, so feel free to check those out.
And and yeah, so we're going to kind of go back and forth.
Caitlin's going to share this case and I'm going to jump in
with some of the astrology of itand let's take it away.
Awesome. OK, so the like the just of this

(03:10):
story took place in April 2011. But so we have the du Pont de
Liguenes family and I don't knowshould I say like their names in
French or in English. We can we can English them for
the episode. OK.
Yeah, that's. Fine, OK, so we have Xavier or
Xavier who was born in Versailles, France on January

(03:35):
9th, 1961. So that makes him what, a
Capricorn? Yes, so our the the dad.
Patriarch. Yes, you know main player here,
Xavier or Xavier. He is a Capricorn son, a Libra
moon and a Pisces rising. He's the only one that I have

(03:55):
confirmed rising sign for him. So Capricorn son Libra moon,
Pisces rising. Okay, and then we have Agnes.
Or how do you say that in Frenchagne?
And yes, Sir. And yes, OK, so Agnes is how I'm
going to say it. She was born November 9th, 1962
and Louis Horsen. We know that she is a Scorpio

(04:16):
son and an Aries moon. Awesome.
And then we have the oldest son who Xavier or Xavier was
actually not his biological father.
We'll talk more about that, but his name was Archer and he was
born July 7th, 1990. And I can't say this though, can
you say the city he was born in?Oh, I'm not.

(04:40):
I don't know where that is. Yeah.
So he was born there and he July.
That's a cancer, right? Yes, he is a cancer also.
It's crazy. Just a quick note, like if you
are of that millennial group, I'm like, I was born in 1990.
So it just hits really close to home.
Like we've done some episodes that are, you know, not within

(05:02):
our, I guess, just generational bracket.
And this is like, oh, OK, this person is literally could have
been my classmate. We're born this year.
So Arthur, he is a Cancer Sun, Capricorn Moon, so fellow
Capricorn Moon, and he is a fullmoon baby.
Oh, and then we have Toma or Thomas who was born August 28th,
1992. So, Leo.

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August 28th is just after it turns to Virgo.
So he is. Both a Virgo sun and moon.
He was born on the new moon. Oh.
Cool. And then we have their only
daughter Anne, who was born August 2nd 1994, also in that
city. I can't pronounce, so was
Thomas. Yeah, all the kids are born and
it's DRAGUIGNAN. And while I do speak French, the

(05:50):
G and the NS together with the vowels are throwing me.
So we're just gonna, we're just gonna let it be.
But Anne, she is a Leo Sun and aGemini Moon.
Awesome. And then Benoit, who was born
May 29th, 1997. And he is a Gemini Sun, Pisces
Moon. Awesome, and then they also
owned 2 Labrador retrievers. And though often the family was

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described as aristocratic because Xavier was born like in
Versailles to an aristocratic family like in France.
I think it's well known during the French Revolution.
Like aristocrats aren't a thing,but like if you go to Versailles
I think some people don't agree with that sentiment.
No, I definitely can attest to like just from what I've heard,

(06:38):
what I've experienced second hand kind of information and
like they it's not anything that's recognized as an official
thing anymore, but you can tell by family names.
There are definitely statuses associated with it because of
that, Like aristocratic, yeah. Yes, but like the DuPont de
Lugueness family, they were definitely not wealthy.

(07:00):
They were like heavily in debt and so someone pulled like their
2009 taxes and the family only earned like €17,000 in 2009.
So they weren't what I would call a wealthy family.
And like the label stems more from like the heritage in the

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name and not like from the financial reality.
So it was like more like what you said, like the recognition
and not like the money. So we're going to go into like a
background of the family now. So Xavier.
Xavier is a former military man,and he was regarded by his
neighbors as like, courteous, but somewhat like, reserved and

(07:44):
eccentric. Some people speculated that he
might have had like, a slight personality disorder.
A friend described to him as, like, not particularly
religious, despite his Catholic upbringing.
And like you and I both know living in France, everybody says
that they're Catholic, but they're not really what I would

(08:05):
call practicing Catholics, as you know.
Yeah, just like the the culturalaspect is that it's, you know,
being Catholic in France as a general statement is much more
cultural than it is religious. Like I I would say the majority
of my friends would identify with being Catholic, but I have
one friend maybe in particular who is someone who regularly

(08:26):
goes to church. So it's more of that cultural
association than anything. Yes, agreed.
So, but his wife, which we will talk about, was like deeply
devoted Catholic. So on a Catholic online forum.
So after what we will talk about, like people were looking
at their online history. He was fascinated by the concept

(08:50):
of like, sacrifice and calling it like an essential element of
faith. I'm not Catholic, but I am
Lutheran, which is, I would say,like a sister denomination of
Catholicism. I wouldn't say sacrifice is it
essential element of faith, but I'll I'll proceed.

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So professionally, Xavier was something of an entrepreneur and
salesman and from what I said earlier, he wasn't successful in
that. So he ran like some small
ventures. Some were successful, mostly not
including one that developed like reportedly developed like a

(09:33):
debit card style system allowinglike to lead like ATM like you
could make an ATM withdrawal without leaving a trace.
So that will be important later.Interesting.
OK. And he was often away from home
for like quote UN quote businessreasons.
And then another weird thing investigators discovered is that

(09:54):
this is kind of interesting. And I didn't know about this
until like I re researched a couple days ago.
Xavier detail kept like very detailed astrological journals,
timing decisions to celestial alignments, which I thought was
like really interesting. Like we haven't seen that
before. I have not seen that before.

(10:14):
Oh my gosh, like and we'll get into it, but the day of like
when we talk about these murders, like the day that it
happened, I was like whoa, when I looked at the chart.
So I mean, it would if he's looking into that, that is very,
very interesting. But also I'll just just to put
it out there, like his, the entrepreneurial energy that you

(10:37):
talked about, he is a Capricorn son and he has his Capricorn son
conjunct his, his Jupiter, his Saturn and his Mercury.
They're all in like a little. He's got a Capricorn stellium.
And it's also really interestingbecause he's a Capricorn son and
Libra moon and like so is my dad.
So I'm just really grateful my dad and he's born one year after

(11:00):
my dad. I'm like, all right, like thank
you dad for being you. But I, I just, I do want to put
that out there as far as the, you know, when we have that much
Capricorn going on and when he does have that Saturn and
Jupiter there like Jupiter is the benefic and then Saturn's
the malefic. So Jupiter's like, yes, good
energy positive. And Saturn is like restriction

(11:20):
and lessons and you know, thingsare, are harder.
And so to have both of those influencing his son, it seems
like it, it almost like could goeither way.
Like he has like, it almost feels like the Angel and the
devil on the shoulders there with that Jupiter and Saturn and
all of that being like you mentioned.
He's got this Eris aristocratic energy, which I feel like

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there's Capricorn has such a status element to them and has
such a, it's definitely got an ego, but with very
entrepreneurial and very business brains.
And since there is that kind of,you know, I come from, it's all
about legacy too. So trying to keep up that
legacy. Yeah, trying to keep up, like

(12:06):
keeping up with the Joneses. Like he was all about how he
looked in society. Like I think that's and we'll
talk about later, but I think that was like a strong
motivation for what why he did what he did.
I mean, I don't think that, well, that's what some people

(12:26):
think. So it's definitely interesting.
And then the, the next thing that I want to just mention
about the astrology of it, the fact that you said that he kept
astrological notes and was looking for timing of things and
was into that. He's a Pisces rising and he does
have his Venus in Pisces and hisS node in Pisces.
And if you are, I mean, for those astrology people here that

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are used to like different systems in Placidus, his Venus
and South Node are in the 12th house.
So there's a lot of mysticism past life.
Like having your Venus in Piscesin the 12th house is, I would
say, very easy to be detached from reality when it comes to
what it is that you value. And Pisces is such a mirrored

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energy that it feels like peoplesaw.
They could have seen what they wanted to see in him, but not
have an ability to truly grasp what it is that he was behind
that. Because Pisces is very elusive.
Yeah. So one more thing about Xavier
Year. So privately, he was having an
affair with a lady named Catherine, who was a company

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executive and you'll recognize this from Belle Dois, so which
is the region northwest of Parisand where I used to live.
And he confided in her that he was like, struggling financially
and emotionally saying that he had, quote, hit rock bottom.
So that's very interesting. He definitely wasn't faithful to

(13:53):
Agnes. And yeah.
That is just like, I mean, this does not indicate, you know,
this is not, I don't think there's a placement that
indicates cheating. But I will say that his in his
chart, he has both Aries and Libra intercepted in the 1st and
7th house and his moon is in Libra in the 7th.
And we like, so I mean, relationships are like integral

(14:17):
for a any Libra placements. And then it being in the 7th
house is an extra relationship placement, but it is also very
hidden. It's a very hidden energy.
It's almost like this, you know,it lives inside you, but it's
not completely available to the outside world.
So that's just something to note.
Yeah. So now we'll talk about Agnes.

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She was known as, like, very devout Catholic, who's, like,
faith shaped her entire life. She worked as a teaching
assistant at a Catholic school in Nantes.
And she had four children who attended, like, Catholic
institutions. So relatives described her as,
like, warm and charming. Yet she was, like, strict and
authoritarian in her home. So she met Xavier in the early

(15:02):
1980s and they married in 19, 1992 or 1993.
So after she had Arthur, which we'll talk about in a minute,
and friends said she was like crazy about Xavier and she
tended to follow like his lead. However, in her own writings,
she suggested like some marital tension and in a 2004 online,

(15:27):
like post forum, like I'm going to assume since it was 2004,
like a chat room, she complainedabout Xavier as being, quote,
too brittle, too dry, too rigid,too military, and adding that he
only lived for his work, which we were talking about earlier.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, with all of his
Capricorn, I can see how he would only live for his work,

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but also Agnes is a Scorpio and she's also a Scorpio Venus and
she's got Scorpio Neptune and Mercury.
So she's got all this Scorpio that complements all of his
Capricorn. And so I could definitely see
like she's got this Scorpio Venus, he's got this Pisces
Venus. They have that like water
Venuses together. I could definitely see how they
would be a good couple and how she would like both Scorpio and

(16:14):
Capricorn appreciate control anddiscretion.
And there it's like power coupleenergy.
It's giving power couple energy like just that, like, you know,
those those two energies together and the fact that she
is an Aries moon, which is opposite to his Libra moon.
I mean, I don't know what her rising is, but compatibility
wise, I can definitely see how they would be a couple that
would, you know, get along and they've got they've got some

(16:37):
other placements that, you know,are maybe a little less
harmonious. But in general, there I just
feel like this they both, if I just looked at these charts with
knowing no background, it'd be like both of these people are
very intense. Yeah, and I'll talk about it
later, but like, what infuriatesme about like murders and stuff
is like it, we always tend to focus on the perpetrator and we

(16:59):
don't know as much about the victims.
And like what I'm about to say is, news flash, Xavier killed
his family. And we don't know a whole lot
about Agnes, Arthur, Thomas and and Benoit.
And so I wish I could tell you more about them.
And So what I'm going to tell you is not a whole lot about

(17:21):
them. And it makes me sad.
Well, I'm glad we get to get into a little bit of the
astrology to get into maybe a little bit more of a, it's a.
Sense about that? Yeah, a sense about how they
were exactly. I would think that Agnes was
absolutely capable of doing whatever she put her mind to.
Yeah, yeah. And I, I like that she, like you

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can tell she was deeply religious and that showed in
many aspects of her life and herjob and how she raised her
children. And I, I think she probably
carried that to the end. So, so Arthur, who was 20 at the
time of his death, he was Agnes's son from a previous
relationship and it was never released publicly who his like

(18:06):
biological father was. But Xavier raised him from the
age of like 2 years old and treated him as his own.
And Arthur had the DuPont do Laganess last name.
So that makes me think that likehe adopted him but like I
couldn't find any like actual evidence of that and it seems

(18:27):
like deeply personal for me to like go and search further of
that. So it is what it is.
He studied information technology in college about an
hour from not and worked part time at a nearby pizza
restaurant. So love that.
And his friends said they often found his ass atmosphere at home

(18:48):
is like stifling and like difficult to bear.
So like I think he maybe found like a new found freedom in
college and he was definitely enjoying like university so.
Yeah, he's got, he's got a Cancer stellium, which is so
interesting to it being like in opposition to Xavier's Capricorn

(19:08):
stellium, like they're opposing one another in a way.
And I would think that like justastrologically speaking, again,
we don't have the rising. So I can't tell you exactly in
what area of life these energiesare, you know, showing up.
But he has his cancer son exactly like or just nearly
conjunct his cancer Chiron. So there's a lot of wounds there

(19:28):
when it comes to emotional things.
And I would think he would show up as a healer in other people's
lives, but I would think he'd really be going through it like
as his like, you know, story arcwould be an emotional, an
emotionally turmoil type of energy.
And he has a Capricorn moon, which speaking as a Capricorn
moon, that's never an easy journey.

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And normally that, you know, if we had a time difference, there
is a very slight possibility that he could be a Sagittarius
moon. But it is unlikely.
If we're going with the Capricorn moon energy, it is
likely to have a difficult. Relationship with the mom or the
nurturing parent. And then he has all of this

(20:11):
Cancer energy that is Cancer, Sun, Chiron, Mercury and
Jupiter. So it's crazy how many stelliums
there are here. It's like everybody here has
like if you think about like making a mixed drink, it's like
there's not many flavors. It's like this one is Capricorn,
This one. Is.
Cancer. This one is Scorpio.
So anyways, he I would think he'd be very emotionally

(20:34):
intelligent, but also definitelygoing through it.
Yeah. So next we have Thomas or
Thomas, who was the couple's, like, first child together.
He was 18, and he recently completed his baccalaureate,
which is like a French high school diploma.
As I didn't understand when I was living in France, I was

(20:54):
like, oh, you have a bachelor's degree?
No, no, no, it's a high school degree.
But anyway, so he was studying music and.
Oh God, I can never pronounce this ANGERS yes about an hour
east of Nantes. He was hoped to study in the US

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but like he couldn't do to the his family's like financial
strain friends and his ex-girlfriend Pauline described
him as like cheerful, kind and attentive and a really nice guy
who like always listened. He was close to his family and
passionate about music and cinema so.
You know, this is another stellium we've got.

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So Thomas has his son, moon, Jupiter and Venus all in Virgo
just like it's crazy how this islike the case or this family of
stelliums. And so I would think that he
would do anything for those thathe cared about.
Like Virgo is a acts of service person and wants to be there for
the people that they love. And so also like very, you know,

(21:58):
meticulous in anything that theydo.
And so whatever he put his mind to, I'm sure that not in the
same way as his mom, there's notthe same intensity.
It's more like, you know, being being capable and showing up and
being of service to people in his life.
Yeah. And then we have Anne, who was

(22:18):
16. She was, like, on the science
track in her high school. And she was described as kind,
thoughtful and deeply, deeply religious, like her mom.
And that's all I have about her.Isn't that so sad?
Yeah, You know, just we this is the first one that we don't have
a crazy stellium. She is a Leo sun in Gemini moon.
So I would just think like, man,social, like if unless her

(22:41):
rising with something like Scorpio, you know, like very
social and very silly and reallywarm and friendly like this
would be somebody and her Venus is in Virgo too.
So wanting to be there for otherpeople, wanting to, you know,
show up for others and also havea good time.
She's got her Mars and moon in Gemini.
Like this is someone who wants to have a good time and be in

(23:03):
the spotlight and be with the people they love.
And then Benoit, who was 13, andall I have about him is that he
was a choirboy. He was popular, especially with
the ladies. Oh, OK, which?
When you're 13 and you have the girls chasing after you, I love
that. That's so cute that that makes

(23:23):
me seem like that makes me feel like he's got some sort of fiery
rising or something, which we don't know.
He he's a Gemini and that Piscesmoon.
So very social, very cerebral, but also totally in tune with
his emotions with that Pisces moon.
Yeah, there we go. Yeah, so I again, I wish I had
more to tell you about them, butthat's all I like when I was

(23:45):
finding information and both because I researched this with
both French and English, like everything about the family was
like really repetitive and I just couldn't find more.
So yeah. Well, let's let's get into the
the thick of it. What?
What happened? OK, so, so from like April, so

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like before what happened there was like signs.
So in the weeks before the tragedy, Xavier like had
practiced target shooting at a local range from a gun that he
had inherited from his father. So I found this really
interesting. His father had like recently

(24:27):
died and in the inheritance he got all of these guns from his
father. And so he started like target
practice. So during the tie.
And then also he had like purchased quick line, which is
thought but isn't necessarily true, to help with like make

(24:50):
decomposition slower. That's what I thought.
And to make it slower. Yeah.
To make it like slower and have it like not sorry, quicker and
not have it like smell as bad. And when I first heard of like
lime, I thought like, in my likechildhood head like that it was
like limes, like citrus. But no.

(25:11):
That's the one like true crime thing.
I'm like, oh, I know. It's the lime with the Y yes,
it's like the we, we're hiding abody like.
Yes, yes, so, but it doesn't do anything so just so you know.
And like other supplies, he contacted elected Agnes's
employer at her Catholic school to report like she was

(25:33):
hospitalized with gastroenteritis and asked for no
one to contact her by e-mail. And then when it within a week,
the school received like a typedresignation letter claiming that
the family had moved to Australia for professional
reasons. So it was just like there's some
weird things were happening. The family's lease on their

(25:54):
house had been terminated, Furniture was removed.
Photos were like taken out of their frames.
The children's school were told that the family was leaving
because Xavier had like an urgent transfer broad.
Their final school fees were paid.
A return to sender sign was likeplaced on their mailbox and then

(26:17):
bank accounts were closed and then a few days before their
disappearance, Agnes like confided in a nun like pray for
me, I will need it. So like something was happening.
I'm so I'm so like curious aboutlike if this is all happening
days or weeks leading up to like, what was the family aware

(26:39):
of? Like, because I feel like often
things are, you know, traces arecovered up, but this is so much
premeditated and like, yeah, I just want, I'm very curious as
to what everyone was aware of. OK, so now I'm going to go like
by day and say like what happened on that day?
So April 1st, 2011, Arthur, the oldest son, left his college,

(27:04):
but he didn't show up at the pizzeria that he worked at and
he was supposed to collect his paycheck that day.
And so his boss found it, like, unusual that he didn't show up.
And, like, when you're 20, you want that paycheck, right?
Like. Yeah, yeah, especially if you
are someone who regularly shows up on time to get it.
Exactly like that paycheck is important.
Like I don't work for free. Like give me the money.

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And then that same day, Benoit and Anne, they stopped attending
school and like their final feeswere settled.
And so like, for what we set, like I loved going to school
when I was a kid. And it seems like Ben Juan Ann
liked to go into school. So, and from what I've gathered,
like their friends thought it was odd too, that they didn't

(27:49):
show up to school. And it's April first, like the
year is winding down. Like it's just kind of weird.
Well, if there's no reason to not show up to school and it's
both of them, like it's not likewe are both sick, one has a
doctor's appointment, our family, like we're on vacation.
If there's no reason like that, we've known in advance that is
very odd for both siblings to not be showing up.

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Yeah, so Saturday, April 2nd, Xavier bought 40kg or 88 lbs of
quick line, the substance that'soften misbelieved to hasten like
decomposition. So weird.
Sunday, April 3rd, a neighbor saw Xavier carrying like large

(28:33):
shopping bags between his car and the house.
And then at 10:37 PM, he left a voicemail to his sister
Christine, calmly saying the family had gone out to dinner
and then please, like, later release this recording.
And then the next day, he like, called Christine and spoke to
her on the phone for 30 minutes.And like his sister said, he

(28:56):
sounded completely normal. I'm going to talk about the next
day and then we can go into the state and and Benoit.
On Monday, April 4th, they were absent from school again that
night Xavier and Thomas had dinner near Anjay Anjay where

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Thomas was going to school aboutan hour from Nant.
They spent 72 and 55 euros. The waiter recall them as being
polite but like, kind of quiet. And then they left.
And then Thomas said like he wasn't feeling that he wasn't
feeling well. Neighbors later reported that

(29:38):
night that the two Labrador dogswere like, howling through the
night. And then investigators think
that on the night between the 3rd and the 4th, Agnes, Arthur
Ann and Benoit were killed, thaton the night between the 3rd and

(29:59):
the 4th. And then for whatever reason,
Xavier got Thomas home that night after, like, this dinner.
And then he killed Thomas. So, like, what was happening in
that house that weekend because the kids didn't show up to
school on Friday. So what is Thomas saying to the

(30:20):
family? Like, you're not going to
school. You're not doing this, Agnes.
You're not going to work anymore.
Like what? What is going on in that house?
My question is why? Why do they think that it was
between the night of the 3rd andthe 4th given that we know that
the two youngest did not show upto school on that Friday?

(30:44):
Why do they think like? Is it just like dating based on
what they have found is that. I think so, yeah.
I I think it's all purely evidence based and, but they,
but we will talk about like on April 7th.
Some neighbors later claimed they thought that they saw Agnes

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walking the dogs on that day, onthat Thursday.
But like investigators think that she was already dead that
day. So like those reports are like
unconfirmed. So, but like something weird was
happening in that house. How did he get control over his
whole family? And like Agnes told the nun,

(31:24):
like, pray for me, like, and then Arthur Thomas told his fam,
told his friends, like, my home is weird.
Like something is going on. Like what is happening?
I'm, I'm really, I like creeped by the thought of Xavier having

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already committed like horrible acts and then going to pick up
Thomas and have dinner with him and then taking him home to like
a living hell after that. And.
Yeah, and then imagine, like Thomas walked in the door and
then what did he say? Did he see his mom and his
siblings like dad? And then he knew, like, holy
shit. Like it's over for me.

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Yeah, I don't. Oh my God.
It it's a it gives me the heebiejeebies.
I can't. The there's like, wait, I mean,
all of this is just so not in a realm of anything that should be
allowed to be happening to people.
But it's so I don't even know iffascinating is the right word,
but just like family annihilators for that to be as

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like a common enough thing to have its own name, you know,
like this, Oh, this type of murderer is a family
annihilator. And, and I'm oh man, I, I do
want to get into some of the astrology of this day.
But, but I guess do we know before I get into it, we do know
that this is, I'm just very briefly, we know this is

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happening in airy season. So it's the beginning of April.
We're in the heart of airy season and and the I told
Caitlin earlier, right before westarted recording was like when
I looked up this day, when I especially when I compared it to
Xavier's chart, I like out loud was like, holy shit, yeah.
Like I like spoke to myself out loud.

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And it was like, Oh my God. Because the amount of Aries
placements on this day is absolutely bananas.
And so I, I will get into the astrology of it, but I think it
might have more unfortunately gruesome power if we do know a
little bit more about what happened to this family.

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OK, so yeah, let's get into let's get into the discovery and
then we'll go more into it. OK, so Tuesday April 5th a
bailiff visited the house to collect on a debt and nobody
answered. But Thomas was spent the day in
Anjay. He had spent the day in Anjay
with a friend. Then he returned home with

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Xavier and then he claimed that Anjay or Agnes had been in a
bicycle accident. And then that night, I guess
they were like, he came back, Xavier went to Anjay, then they
had dinner. So like just to like get cuz
that was like just to just to understand like Thomas was back

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and forth from his like university town and to the notch
like town like multiple times then.
Yeah. So something.
So how? What?
Like it's just so weird. It almost feels like they're
trying to like claim that, you know, the mom died in or had
some sort of accident and like, but it it wasn't an accident.

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Yeah, there's that. Seems like some sketchy.
Yeah. Miscommunication.
Debate if they were killed on the 3rd or the 4th or the 4th
and the 5th. So like there's some who knows
what's going on. Some neighbors said that they
saw Anjay outside of the house on.
Agnes. April.
Yeah. Agnes.

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You see these French names? I can't that they saw axis
outside of the house that afternoon, but that's like
disputed. And then on Wednesday, April
6th, Thomas, So Thomas's phone, let's say that Thomas is the
second oldest boy, texted a friend that he was sick and he
was going to miss class. Later he wrote that he had lost

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his charger and that his father was going to buy him a new one.
So weird. That evening Arthur's girlfriend
visited the house and the lightswere on upstairs and the dogs
were silent and nobody answered the phone or the door.
Then we have Thursday, April 7th.
So like I said earlier, neighbors claim that they saw

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Agnes walking the dogs, but investigators believe that.
This. Yeah, not to be possible.
And also like when you see someone like walking the dogs
like multiple times, like do youremember what day that was?
Like you know what I mean? Or maybe someone was walking the
dogs that like, you know, but itwasn't Agnes or yeah.
Exactly no verifiable contact with any family member occurred

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after this date, so we know at least by April 7th people were
dead. April So we're on Friday.
By this point there was online activity from Xavier's accounts
and he sent a message to his brother-in-law.
OK. Monday, April 11th, Xavier

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mailed typed letters to his relatives. 2 copies were later
found inside the house. Lips were postmarked from the
Nant area on April 11th, provingthat they were sent after the
likely murders. So the letter began.
This letter is so weird. Are you ready?

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And said hi everyone. Like with an exclamation mark.
Huge surprise. We have left urgently for the US
due to a very particular set of circumstances.
And so then he like went on to claiming the letter.
This letter was like 4 pages, bythe way.
And it just like rambled. He's like claimed that he

(37:18):
founded like a company in Miami in 2003 and he was like,
recruited by the United States DEA to like, infiltrate the
French nightclub scene. And then he like, basically
wrote that his cover was blown and that he was in a dangerous
situation. And then his family had entered
the federal witness protection program and then were ceasing to
exist as French citizens, which,OK, if you enter the witness

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protection, you don't tell anybody you're yeah, you.
Can't. You can't.
Yeah, no. So what?
And then he like listed like theadvantages and like
disadvantages of the program, like, and then he gave like
precise instructions to his likerelatives, like how to clear

(38:05):
items from the family home. And then like, like, by the way,
like Uncle Bill, you can have this item and blah, blah, blah,
like weird. And then he said he told
everyone, he assured them like that everyone, like the school,
the landlord, employers knew that, told them that like, hey,
by the way, we told everybody that we were moving to

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Australia. So like people don't know like
the situation we're in and then the letter closed.
Like, of course we send our loveand we're thinking of you very
much during this, like enforced separation.
Take very good care of yourselves.
And we'll have so many stories to tell you later on.
Oh. My gosh.
OK, I mean, like this is very elaborate, very premeditated,

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very like it's intricate in the way of being like I'm going to
have one story to tell the people who are not family and
then I'm going to have a story to tell it to the family so that
everything seems like, you know,I don't want to say legit
because it's still sketchy AF, but like there's, you know,
extra, extra protection of you can't find US type of energy.

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What? And I'm just, I want to like, I
want to look at his chart here because a lot of this is I'm
feeling like. OK, so we had heard of the
Australia story before, like when he was, he told Agnes's
employer. Like, by the way, we're moving
to Australia. And the the kids schools as

(39:35):
well. Yes, yes.
But now you're in federal witness protection program.
And by the way, you don't cease as a French citizen.
I think like if you're in federal witness protection,
you're not supposed to tell a single soul.
No, it's that dire and serious and like, but what I mean is
like the fact that he told all of the non relatives the

(39:56):
Australia story and then the relatives the witness
protection. It feels like it was in a way of
covering his bases for the like everyday mundane stuff who are
probably not gonna look into it.Like, oh shit, they're moving to
Australia. Well.
You know, we don't have to worryabout them anymore.
But then with the family who aregoing to look into it more, I'm

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going to give them a more intense story.
And then if anyone does ask the family what happens, they're
going to be very hush hush aboutit as opposed to the school
being like, oh, well, they movedto Australia.
Like it's, it really feels like a, you know, intricately
premeditated. What would be the best way to
never have anybody looking for us?

(40:39):
It's weird. Yeah, and and there is this, I
feel like there's this untouchable energy that I'm
getting from him of and maybe itis all of that, like that
Capricorn stellium, but also with his Pisces energy that like
we always like kind of joke about being like Pisces is
delulu, but and like we love Pisces energy for that in the
way of it allows us to dream andallows us to see the world in

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completely different ways. But this feels very detached
from the reality of the situation.
Yeah, So April 11th through the 12th, Xavier shut down all the,
like, family mobile subscriptions.
And then he checked into a hotelnear Toulouse, paying by credit

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card and then departing in his car.
And then he sent a text to a friend saying that he was in the
South on urgent work. So he can't even keep his story
straight. Yeah, or I don't know if he's
trying to be confusing, like if he thinks he's being clever by
being confusing by giving one person this story and one person

(41:43):
that story as opposed to giving like an easy traceable type of
yeah, I. Don't know OK, so by April 13th
and the 14th like worry neighbors and nots are calling
police because nobody's seen thefamily.
The mail is overflowing at the door.
Meanwhile, Xavier stayed in a hotel in La Sien Cermer like

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which is near Marseille it whichis about like a 10 hour drive
from Nantes. So if you look Nantes is like in
the north and then Marseille is in the South.
So he's definitely like making his way around France.
On April 14th, he withdrew cash at an ATM and then he checked
into another hotel in the South and then and this was caught on

(42:28):
CCTV and then he abandoned his car in this hotel parking lot.
And this was the last time Xavier was ever seen like ever
on CTCCCTV or just ever. And then we get to April 21st.

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So please return to the to the family home in not for 1/3
welfare check and they had noticed like fresh cement
beneath the terrace and a strongodor of decomposition.
So they dig and they revealed 5 bodies and two dogs carefully

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wrapped and covered in quick line.
Each victim had been drugged with, I'm going to say this
wrong, so soapy clone which is like a sleeping pill, which they
also found like the wrappers in the kitchen trash that was
found. Like in their drug test, they

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had been shot with Xavier's rifle, 2 bullets each except
Thomas who had been shot three times under the terrace.
The bodies were arranged in a row so it was Agnes, Arthur,
Thomas and Benoit and then the dogs.
So it was like, and their birth order, which I also found very

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interesting because they'd thinkthat Thomas was killed last.
So interesting. Each was wrapped in sheets and
plastic and then secured with duct tape.
And then religious icons, candles, crosses were placed
beside their bodies. And what appeared to be like a
ritual arrangement inside the house, officers found the bed

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stripped photos missing from theframes.
The house otherwise was like tidy, as if like deliberately
staged relatives were not allowed to be the remains, which
like fueled like some conspiracies and like early
doubt that the victims were not truly like the family.

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The coroner could not determine the exact times of death, but
they believe that Agnes, Arthur and Benoit were killed like
either April 3rd or 4th and thenThomas April 5th or the 4th.
Thomas's bury body was like buried like in a different way.

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So that kind of like reinforced that theory.
A funeral mass was held on April28th at their parish church in
Nantes where Ben Wass sing in the choir and about 1400 people
attended and none of them were Xavier's family.

(45:32):
Oh my God. Yeah.
Woof. So do you want to talk about the
astrology a little bit? I'm like, yeah, there's a lot to
process and there's also a lot like, you know, so I am going to
get into the astrology of the day of the presumed murders and
then the astrology of the discovery.

(45:55):
But I also like just bringing itback to Xavier and his like and
his astrology and something about this Pisces rising in the
Pisces S node and Venus just happening in that 12th.
I don't I don't know why. That's the thing that's really
just pulling at me for this one.And he also does have Neptune in

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Scorpio in the 8th house. Like he's deaf.
He's got a I mean, he's got likea grand water trine in his
chart. He has a, it's a little bit
loose, but he has Venus in Pisces, he has Mars in Cancer
and then he has Neptune in Scorpio and they're all in
waterhouses in Placidus. They're in the 12th house, the
4th house and the 8th house. And so that is making me feel

(46:38):
like, you know, and we know I'm like the, the witchy woo woo
over here, Like I am the, you know, like spirit guides and
tarot and all of that. But as this really makes me feel
like he was in some like, and like we mentioned the religious
factor and you talked about likethe sacrifice factor.
Like it makes me think that he was really leaning into a darker

(47:04):
side of that because having a grand water trine in waterhouses
makes me feel like there could have been some absolutely
mystical shit going on, Which I know that we're not like we
can't like bring any hard proof to that.
But like, it really feels like there was some like, I mean,
this feels ritualistic. What you're saying, saying
everything they can explain feels very ritualistic.

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And knowing that he has a grand water trine in the three water
houses is just like, wow. I feel like he could absolutely
be, I don't know, putting a lot of stock in the unseen and
unknown to obviously a dire point.
And if you have this in your chart, that doesn't mean that

(47:47):
you're a murderer. But I would say anybody, if I
just looked at this chart, I'd be like, wow, this person could
absolutely have spiritual gifts because of, you know, the way in
which they're they've got so much activation in like watery
energy. But so that's just like all of
this to me feels very ritualistic and knowing that the

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family is has a strong religiousassociation.
They were in, you know, religious based schools and the
and mom, like Agnes was very, you know, devout.
I and the fact that she said like, pray for me.
I almost like I this is this is total, as you know, as maybe
would say, but astrology, this is just me, like pulling things

(48:28):
out my butt. I just feel like everything that
you said based on, you know, what we know about their
religious and just let's say spiritual association to it.
I feel like he has this manipulative energy that could
have very well put a like we're doing a very intense religious
practice this weekend and I needlike them to be off of school.

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I need us to be at the house. I need us to like, you know, I
need you to drink this like kool-aid type of energy.
Like it feels like almost like family cult like leader type of
That's what I'm getting from hischart and from the events that
you've shared. I wonder if he cause of the
sleeping pills, did he shoot them in their sleep?

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Did he drug them and then he shot them in their sleep?
And then did Thomas realize whatwas going on when he returned
from school that night after that dinner?
And then that's why he was shot three times instead of 2.
Like it gives me the heebie jeebies like.

(49:35):
Fascinated but glad I don't havethe details like it's.
Yeah, like your, your parents are supposed to protect you.
Yeah. And and he.
This is the opposite of protection and.
What happened in that house? It's I don't want to know but
like what the fuck happened? What I will say is the day that

(49:58):
is most likely known as the day of the murders being April 4th,
2011. This is batshit crazy.
So like, there is the IT is. It's actually insane.
Astrology. Is OK.
We have 123456 planets in Aries at this moment.

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In astrology, we consider there to be 10 planets like it is the.
I think, am I now? I'm like, wait, is that correct?
We have sun, Moon and then we have the invisible planets and
the social and the outer. So anyways, we have 60 like

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percent like more than the of like his.
We've got Uranus, Mars, sun, Jupiter, Mercury, moon in Aries
right now. Like that is actually crazy just
to have just astrologically liketo have that many planets in one
sign. It doesn't happen that often
because planets are all moving at different speeds.
So to have them all. Aries OK like me not being a big

(51:09):
into a astrology but Aries is the first sign of the yeah.
Isn't that like rebirth, right? It's it is, yes, total rebirth
energy, but it's also Aries is ruled by Mars, and it is.
You know, so Mars is love, right?
OK, more. It's Mars is sex, aggression,
confrontation, and it is how we do things.

(51:31):
And I mean, like, if you look athow somebody gets angry, you
look at, oh, you just gave. Me the CBDT area Sierra.
I don't like this. Yeah.
So that's why it's. Like, and then knowing he was
into astrology, like did he planthis to be oh.
No, I know, I know. I don't like this at all.

(51:52):
I don't like this at all. When like when you gave me these
dates, I didn't know that astrology factor and now I'm
like, dude, so basically what wehave the day that they.
Like I want to keep right now. I know I don't like this.
What we most likely had or the most likely day of this we have.

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Uranus and Mars are exactly conjunct at 1° of Aries and
Uranus like Uranian energy is unpredicted, very like lightning
bolt, kind of like strikes, but it's also known as this higher
understanding and like divine insights.
And so then we have that conjunct with Mars, which is

(52:35):
taking action. It's also aggression.
And so I could see, you know, this being like, OK, well,
here's the a moment to like a moment, a vital moment whenever
these two energies would get together.
If you have your Radian energy and Martian energy coming
together, that's just going to be unpredictable anger,
unpredictable, you know, conflict.

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And we, we are currently like, as a, like right now, there's a
lot of Aries energy that's been happening in the world and
you've, and it's, it's so fascinating and insane how we
can see how like world conflict has happened on days where we've
had Aries energy be extra activated.
But it even in present day, if you're listening to this in real

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time, like even present day is not as activated as this day was
because we've got Uranus and Mars conjunct in Aries, then we
have the Sun and Jupiter conjunct in Aries.
So we've got 1° for Uranus and Mars.
And then we've got 14 and 15° for the Sun and Jupiter.
So it's like, and I, I also justput this happening like kind of

(53:40):
in the middle of the day. I, we don't know the exact time
of all of this happening, but that's just what, the chart that
I'm looking at. But we then have the sun and
Jupiter. And so that is known as such an
auspicious like placement to have the sun and Jupiter to have
the life giving planet like, cuzsun is considered planet in
astrology with Jupiter the biggest planet like, you know,

(54:00):
of the, of the visible planets. And it is known as luck in
abundance and joy and higher learning and also philosophy,
religion, morals, and all of that to come together.
And then just the fact that the moon is also in Aries.
I would, I would probably argue that this could have happened
the night of the third into the 4th, because that would have

(54:23):
been the new moon in Aries. That would have been when the
sun and the moon were together with Jupiter as well.
But on this if, if it was on the4th, like midday, we do still
have the moon in Aries and it isconjunct Mercury in Aries.
So then we've got, you know, planet of communication and it's
Mercury retrograde. I don't know how much stock I'm
putting in that, but just to know it's Mercury retrograde

(54:44):
having the moon conjunct that. So once again, Uranus, Mars,
Sun, Jupiter, Mercury, Moon all in Aries in this moment when
this happened. And if we're looking at the
Placidus system of Xavier's chart, it is all happening in
his first house, which is it's like it's intercepted in his
first house, but like this fieryenergy happening in like the

(55:06):
identity part of his house. And if we do look at it in a
whole sign, all of this is happening in the second house,
which is dealing with personal values and your like your
physical home. And so either way, we can see
it, but I really see it in that House of identity.
But the other thing that I want to talk about because so that's,
that's what's happening in the sky.

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But like I mentioned in in Xavier's chart, it's happening
in his first house. But the other bananas thing
that's happening is that at thistime we have Neptune at 29°
Aquarius, we have Chiron at 3° Pisces, and then we have Venus
at 9° Pisces. And so the entire sky is

(55:48):
basically happening in this likebeing lit up in between Pisces
and Aries right now. We do have Pluto's and Capricorn
at this moment. Saturn is in Libra at this
moment, but every other planet is happening in this like chunk
of Pisces and Aries. And the thing that is crazy
about when we look at this with Xavier's chart is Xavier's
Chiron. Your wounds, your deep, deep

(56:11):
inner childhood and early childhood and deep inner wounds.
And for those who are past life believers, it is very past life
energy. Neptune, which is the planet of
like, you know, delusion and, and, and it has creativity, but
it's very foggy and it's very spiritual, is at 29° of Aquarius

(56:36):
and Xavier's Chiron is 29° of Aquarius.
And so the fact that Neptune, another very spiritual, this is
also his ruling planet because he's a Pisces rising is aligned
with his Chiron. And this is all happening in
such a like for someone who's looking into the stars aligning

(56:56):
like, I feel like he would feel that that moment would be faded
for him. But not only do we have Neptune
activating his Chiron, we have the present transiting Chiron at
3° Pisces, right on top of his Venus at 4° Pisces.
So it's like double Chiron activation.
So I could totally see somebody who puts so much stock in like

(57:18):
I'm kind of the chosen 1 of this, you know, of this major
sacrifice moment. And this Chiron is, you know, my
Chiron is being activated, my Venus is being activated by
Chiron. And then he's having a Venus
return as well because Venus is in Pisces right on top of his,
not only his Venus in Pisces, but on top of his S node in
Pisces, which is once again a past life energy.

(57:41):
And so it's like the amount of past life things.
If this like person is into that, they would totally see
this as like this is a faded sign from my lives before me to
take action in this could be very, very angry,
confrontational, violent way. Holy shit it's creepy.

(58:05):
Creeps me out. I'm like, I'm so beyond like,
I'm not saying that like there'salso other people in the world
who were born the same day as Xavier and like they didn't go
and like become family annihilators.
But at the same time, the like the astrological weather was
ripe for someone who you know, is is in this mental state is in

(58:27):
this, you know, I, it's not surprising to me after looking
at this astrology. I want to see if anything else
crazy happened on like April 3rd, 2011 or April 4th because
like what you were saying is like crazy.
There was Aun plane crash, tornado outbreak, Libyan civil

(58:50):
war, Syrian protests, Yemeni protests.
Yeah, I mean. We see that there's violence, we
see that there's, yeah, conflict, absolutely.
Yeah, it's just crazy. Like, what a weird day, you
know? What it's it's absolutely wild.
And then the other day that I dowant to talk about like this

(59:13):
isn't going to take as long to get into all of that astrology,
but the discovery of this familyhaving been killed.
It happened when the sun moved into Taurus.
It was almost like because we have all of these, it's, it was

(59:34):
a day of shifting with the, the day that all of this happened.
We had Neptune in its last degree of Aquarius and then we
had, you know, all of this energy in Aries.
But like the sun being the major, you know, that's the the
main life giver here and what itis shining the light on, you

(59:56):
know, that's what the light getsshown on.
And the day that all of these were discovered, we have Neptune
had just moved into Pisces. So we have a shift from Neptune
was at 0° Pisces, Venus moved into Aries.
So we have Venus at 0° Aries andthen the sun moved into Taurus.
So the sun was at 0° Taurus. So it almost feels like there

(01:00:17):
was a new chapter energy. It feels very like the 0° and
also the the moon wasn't Sagittarius that day.
And I, you know, I don't know exactly at what time this was
discovered, but it will have metup with the North Node in
Sagittarius. And that was right at like the,

(01:00:39):
if we look at Xavier's chart, given he is a Pisces rising, his
mid heaven, which is the very top of the chart is Sagittarius
and the North Node. The, the transiting N node was
exactly conjunct his mid heaven,which is the part that everybody
sees. And so it was like the North
node, which is the, the direction that you're supposed

(01:00:59):
to go in in life to like find satisfaction is be is at the top
of his chart. It's almost like an infamous
type of moment infamy. And then the moon would have
passed at that exact space as well.
And Sagittarius is all about thetruth.
And so the fact that we have theNorth Node and the emotional
body, you know, the moon coming together at the top of his

(01:01:23):
chart, I would think that he would have had a personal like,
I don't want to say meltdown because clearly this person is
not like a sound person. But.
But I would think that there would be some sort of, I mean,
honestly, it could have been a realization of, oh, I actually
did this. It's more out of the that watery

(01:01:44):
delusional, like disconnected from reality.
And the truth has now been revealed because that is the
fact that the moon was in SAJ and it would have like, you
know, passed by that N node in SAJ on that day that everything
was discovered. And then also just interesting
to mention through all of this, Saturn, which is the planet of
restriction and lessons, and Mary Karmic was right on top of

(01:02:07):
Xavier's moon during this entiretime.
And so it felt like I could see that being a pressure of doing
whatever it is you that feels emotionally necessary.
And when this person is not of sound mind that showed up and
that's opposing all of this Aries.
And so, you know, there was thisI, I almost feel like if he had

(01:02:31):
such a like this was something that was destined for him to do,
almost like an assignment that would have felt like so much
pressure of I have to perform and do well on this assignment,
which is just so royally fucked.I don't like him.
Woof woof. So basically on May 10th an

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international arrest warrant wasissued for Xavier DuPont de la
Buenos and an Interpol read notice.
Before the vanishing he had removed his laptop battery,
shaved his head and he occasionally used the alias
Xavier Laurent. But ever since that ATM video

(01:03:19):
and he abandoned his car, he hasn't been seen.
So there's been like speculationand some sightings and 2015 a
journalist did not received a letter signed Savvier du Ponte
Ligoness containing a photo of two of his signs in the words
like I'm still alive, dated July11th, 2015.

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Forensic test found like no usable fingerprints.
There was a monastery rumor and did you ever see it?
It came out when I was still living in France.
Leon Ordener I. Don't know.
It's on net. It's on Netflix now.
And they used this theory that he like went into hiding into a

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monastery or that like he moved to Canada and went into hiding
into a monastery. But this rumor is has proved
false. Like there's been no evidence of
this. But like, I think everybody
likes to think like because likein the old days, like that's
what people did. But.

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I, I did, I did hear something about like he was in America,
like whether that be north or South.
I just did hear that he was in America and that like there was
like a very blurry sighting of him in a car at one point.
Like, but I mean, like this dudeis at large to the best that we
know. Like he's never been seen since

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that date that you mentioned. And that was in the South of
France and which is terrifying. Yeah, so the what I remember
watching and let Omo then there he somehow made it to French
Canada and he was like at a religious camp.
And like, I thought that was interesting because like he was,
from what we know, somewhat religious.

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And I was like, like, that can make sense.
But there's no evidence of that.In 2019, there was a Glasgow
arrest of a man arriving from Paris and he was detained in the
Glasgow Airport like a suspicionof being Xavier.
But fingerprints test confirmed he was a guy named Guy Joao.

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And he was like an innocent retiree.
Poor guy. To this day, like the police
remain divided. The lead investigator, Colonial
Patrick Gueilo. Sorry, I just butchered your
name. Mr. Patrick believes that Xavier
took his own life in the forest near where he was last seen.

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But like, there's been extensivesearches of like drones, cadaver
dogs, and they've found nothing.And others may think that he's
still alive, living quietly under a new identity.
I mean, if I'm, if I'm looking at his astrology, I would think
that if he were to have taken his own life, he would have done

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it with the family because because of like believing in the
alignment of everything. I, I kind of, I would be
surprised unless it was that moment when everything was
discovered and that N node on his midheaven with that moon.
There was way too much truth revealed of the reality of what
I actually did. Like that could have been

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something that set him of like that, you know, it kind of
cleared all that fog that I was talking about.
But I so I think that it could be a possibility just based on
his astrology and what we could like ascertain from assuming his
personality astrologically is that that could have been, you
know, he had crazy active water placements which are

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exceptionally feeling. So, you know, it could have hit
him and it could have been too much to feel.
But I also do believe that if hewas truly committed to this
cause enough to, you know, take the life of his entire family
and in such a ritualistic way, like you said, like they were
all put in the order of like their birth.

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And also, I just need to have a moment of like, I'm I'm going to
need to sit with this afterwardsbecause the dogs were a part of
it. Like I just can.
Never, Yeah. When there's an animal involved.
But like I, I think that. I think they're serious that he
killed the dogs because they were making so much commotion.
So he just, I mean, dogs are connected to their humans.

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Dogs are connected to their humans.
I think part of. The family.
I think they saw what was going on.
They were making too much noise and so he said I know how to
take care of this and he did. I think that it would be
entirely possible that I would think knowing what we know about
his chart, knowing what we know about the astrology of the day

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and the fact that he's never been heard from since.
I think that I don't I don't, I don't think that he's a type of
person that would go on to murder other people.
It felt like this was a very intentional.
This is my family and there's a purpose behind it.
And and yeah. So I either think that that
theory of maybe having, you know, ended his life, like could

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be right, or in a monastery being like, I'm going to make up
for it for the rest of my life. But I also did what I was told
to do, you know, something alongthose lines.
So I have some ideas of what washis motive.
So the financial motive slash collapse.
So by early 2011 Xavier was in over €200,000 in debt, which is

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a lot of money his main company.Oh God.
OK, let's see how well my Frenchis society they it's not good.
Society de studios de la realization de research EDA
financing finance Med blah blah blah was being dissolved by the

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court order for non payment of taxes.
So he wasn't doing good. His other side business, a
dating site for Catholic singlesand a triable club project had
also failed. So he wasn't doing good.
Yeah. And I think, like we said, he
was like trying to keep up with the Joneses, and maybe that was
just like an embarrassment and he maybe didn't want his family

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to find out about that. But like I would rather be poor
and still alive. Yeah, Yeah.
OK. OK.
So like there's that motivation of, I mean, all of his Capricorn
can definitely attest to the failure is not an option.
Yeah. And you know, we do have that
Mars in Cancer, which go ahead and listen to that episode if

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you want more information of Mars in Cancer.
But his Mars in Cancer is retrograde and it's in the 4th
house, which is the House of home and family.
And what Mars is the least happiest in Cancer?
Mars is exalted in Capricorn andit is in fallen Cancer.
So it is to say that it does, itperforms its quote, UN quote
worst when it's in Cancer because it's completely

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emotionally driven. And it is, it acts emotionally
and Mars just wants to will act immediately and then it will
come down from that. But that's also very
interesting. As someone who has Mars
retrograde, I do feel like it does stop the immediate reaction
to something because it's such an internal energy.

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So all of this seems premeditated, but I can also see
like it's too much. I'm lashing out at something
like I have to yeah, my and withthat Capricorn, my family, maybe
even like my family is not like is too much of A burden for me
to not have my legacy. But him doing this completely
removed him. Yeah, his legacy is like, it's

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fucked now. Excuse me, but it's fucked.
Like the DuPont de Ligoness nameis always going to be associated
with family annihilator now. Yeah, I was gonna say, but there
is like, if we're thinking aboutlike recognition, people know
this dude's name. That's something I.

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Horrible, but also the reality of it.
Well, there's another like theory.
I don't I don't see this. But like it came up in my
research. So his father died in January
2011 in an apartment in Versailles.
So when the police searched it, they found a handwritten note

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from Xavier. Like in his handwriting it's
saying quote, I've done something stupid.
And his death his name was Hubail Herbert left Xavier with
as the sole heir of the rifle that was used in the murders so
interesting. Another motive is friends often

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hear Xavier speak about like an upcoming apocalypse and like he
saw himself as like the toes andprotector of his family so.
That's it, that's it. That's that.
That theory goes like aligns with everything that I was
assuming about this dude. Like if if people heard him
talking about apocalypse. This is like such a mis

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misguided attempt at being like,well, if this is coming, I'm
going to sacrifice my family in a way that will, you know, get
them a front seat like trip to heaven and oh, oh.
I just got it. I don't, I don't get it.
So I have a little reflection. Are you ready?

(01:12:51):
So the Duponte Ligoness case remains one of France's most
haunting modern mysteries, a chilling blend of financial
ruin, religious symbolism and meticulous planning.
More than a decade later, it continues to raise the sentient
questions. What happened in that house?
Like, what was going on? How does a man, after committing

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such a calculated horse, simply like vanish without a trace?
How does the calculated accent of a man crushed by like debt or
pride or vanishing truly believelike he was saving his family?
Does the stars that he followed offer no answers, only silence?

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OK. Good.
It gives me the heebie jeebies. The first time I heard about
this case, I think I was watching a BuzzFeed Unsolved.
I think they covered it and I was like what the hell.
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's like a genuine, like we have so much
information and we have no answers.

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You know, like we know the causeof death, we know the person, we
know the location, we know the events leading up to.
And yet we have no like, like, you know, pinpointed motivation
and answers because we don't have the murderer.
Yeah, and I mean, he hasn't beenseen in what it's almost been 15

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years now. I don't think we're going to get
it. I mean, I don't think
personally, I don't think he's alive.
I I mean how do you stay off thegrid for 15 years in this day
and age? I think the the two options that
you presented are the most likely either in a monastery
like living completely protectedin that way or having ended his

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life. And I think if he is still alive
and out there, I personally like, I mean, this is just this
is. Special if I see you on the
street, Xavier. Don't don't quote me on this,
but I would assume he doesn't pose a threat because he did the
worst possible act and it was you know, I and what I know from
my little true crime dabbling islike family annihilators.

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They they haven't done anything violent before or after that.
It's, you know, this is not someone who has had a history of
it's, it's a A1 time act and it's a one time.
Yeah, I think two years ago we covered John List the the family
and I are later in New Jersey and he he, he got remarried, he
had stepchildren. He never did anything after.

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And they found him like 20 yearslater and he was like a
functioning member of society. And it's just, it's so.
From a psychological perspective, it is the worst
type of fascinating. It's like how yes, can you do
that and then be like, OK, I'm going to go buy groceries now
and go take my kid to school andlike or.
You know, and I think he truly thought he was saving his family

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from like. Yeah.
Hell. Or whatever.
Well, this has been chilling anddisturbing as we normally like
to bring on these stars. Maybe murder episodes in this
stinky season? And the stars don't make you
murder. Your decisions and choices in

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life make you murder and don't murder people.
It's really that simple. Yeah.
And as much as we do love divinginto the astrology of it, I feel
like the astrology helps map outwhat was going on.
But yeah, obviously it wasn't like, oh, everybody's murdering
their families on this. Day We're trying to bring logic
to the illogical and ration to the irrational, and that's all

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we're trying to do. And it and it is actually really
fascinating to get to do that because I can.
I mean, if you look at that chart, it's not like, OK, well,
Mars was here and the sun is there.
It's like, whoa, that is just packed in like this.
You know you can. It's for someone who was already
like in a not sound mental state.

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Having all of that astrological energy going on at the same time
certainly wasn't helping. Voila.
Yes, definitely. Well, thank you for being here
again. I I always love doing this.
Thank you for having me. And like I said at the
beginning, if you're interested in more of these episodes, feel
free to go check them out. We have a few of them.

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And I Do you remember our littleending, Kaylin?
Why did we talk about this chilling case today?
Because the stars made me do it.Question mark.