October 14, 2025 • 26 mins
Canada Post is hemorrhaging money—over $5 billion in losses since 2018, with no end in sight. As postal workers walk off the job for the second time in a year, the Crown corporation is effectively insolvent, surviving only on a $1 billion government bailout.
But this isn't just a story about a strike. It's about an institution designed for 5.5 billion letters per year now delivering less than half that, while still maintaining the same infrastructure, the same costs, and the same workforce.
The world has changed. Canada Post hasn't. Can it be fixed, or is it time to let it go?
Key Takeaways:
The brutal math: Canada Post has lost over $5 billion since 2018 and is currently losing $10 million every single day, with labour costs of $50-60/hour compared to private competitors at $20-50/hour
Digital extinction: Letter mail has dropped from 5.5 billion pieces annually to just 2 billion, even as the number of Canadian households has grown—a trend that's irreversible and accelerating
The rural dilemma: Three-quarters of Canadians already use community mailboxes, but eliminating door-to-door delivery or privatizing threatens to leave remote communities without affordable service
In this episode, David and Chris cut through the rhetoric from all sides—union demands, government talking points, and business frustrations—to explore what it would actually take to save Canada Post, whether Canadians still need universal postal service in 2025, and what happens to workers and communities if we get this wrong.
Whether you're a small business owner tired of unreliable delivery, a postal worker fighting for your livelihood, or simply someone wondering why your mail keeps getting more expensive and less reliable, this conversation will challenge your assumptions about what Canada Post should be—and whether it has a future at all.
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I like your drone idea, by the way.
That's a cool idea. And also I think, yeah, for $200
million, Government of Canada for $200 million, I'd be happy.
Chris, I will work on this for you.
We will get some drones. We will figure this out.
We will. Deliver mail delivery.
We will deliver to remote communities for you.
Let's get it rolling. Big ideas.
(00:20):
Money folder hustle. Smart dream.
So wild. Turn that grinding through a joy
ride. Get an e-mail lately?
But. Why not?
Did you actually hear that Canada Post came out and said
(00:41):
that there are no longer? So I I I gotta digress.
Yeah, I have. Let's start with the preamble.
OK, here's the premise. Chris, this is this has a Chris
vengeance or Chris aggression. Yeah, like labels is warning
just popping. Up on screen.
So Chris recently purchased a cottage.
OK. Lovely spot.
I love it. It's it's amazing.
It's on a very quiet Rd. Yeah.
(01:03):
But what it's got is it got the the mailbox at the end of the
driveway with the little flag. Thing was, ohhhhh.
Yeah, you, but did you hear whatCanada?
They don't wanna. Do it anymore.
They won't. Build up.
The government doesn't want to do it right.
I thought we have no idea CanadaPost or the union or both or
whatever, they won't put the little flag up.
They. Literally just the flag.
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They won't put the flag like they would do like area
mailboxes now. Instead of ohe, you're getting
way ahead. OK, just think of today, right
now they won't do the thing theyput they.
Do you know how many Canada Postworkers are killed every year
lifting the little flag? Apparently.
So many like blisters so. It's this is such a small thing,
(01:46):
OK, But I feel like when you're gonna go into a labour dispute
and you know, why would you wantto piss off all of your
customers over? Not like, oh, hey, I just put a
bunch of mail in your mailbox. I will refuse to put the little
flag up so that you can know that you have to walk down to
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the end of your driveway to get your mail.
And this is such a small thing. It's so silly to be complaining
about. I actually read that everybody's
kind of confused what the flag is actually for, and it's
actually the reverse. It's like, yeah.
If I wanna rail something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Then I put the flag up to tell the post office to stop at my
mailbox to pick up the thing to mail.
I I think I. Thought it worked either way.
(02:27):
If The thing is up, that means there's got there, yeah.
But what if I didn't pick up my mail and the flag still up?
Like there's a whole bunch of confusion around this.
The you know, it's a bully. Truer false.
Is this whole lot of different? What tree is this?
Yeah, there's somebody I like, some bureaucrat is like, hey, we
need you to figure out the little flag problem.
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We're gonna pay you $150,000 a year.
It's the flag is part way up hanging.
Chad of Ohe Man, there's a reference for for my millennial
folks in the. House OK, so Oh my God, my grass
will actually older actually talk about the actual.
Talk somewhere Al Gore, just like who?
Shattered, sorry. So the topic we're talking about
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today is the Canada Post labour disruption, though I think we
need to put out there that like we were business owners and you
know when you own a business, you see business through a
certain lens. When you've been an employee and
you've never run a business, yousee business through another
lens and everybody has their own.
(03:31):
Perspectives on these things I also like.
I think 1/3 category is bureaucrats.
I, I think there's a category where you haven't run a
business, but you've all had a government job and I think
there's something, especially when you're in a unionized
environment. So all I wanna do on this
episode is I wanna make sure that we're trying to look at
this issue from those different lenses, sure.
So that we can we have a balanced approach.
(03:54):
We have. We are not Kevin O'Leary or
whatever, just saying whatever crazy thing comes to mind.
Alright, that. Being said, let's set the table
for this situation. There is currently a labour
dispute between the union with you in Canada Post.
Yeah, OK. The main issue appears to be
wages. The.
(04:16):
I I know this. Do you want me to do Yeah,
actually set the table, man, OK.Canada Post says posted losses
exceeding $3 billion since 2018 Like. 10 million a day.
Right 20 yeah 2023 alone it lost$748 million before tax at 26%
jump over 2022 it received federal lifeline loans of up to
a billion dollars in early 2025 to prevent insolvency.
(04:38):
The parcel share is collapsing with once a 62% of the of the
market, now it's down to 26%. Yeah, by the way, they're
getting crushed by like go Bolt and like these little gig
economy guys, like the irony. I I would also just point out
that a lot of these roles are are done by people who wanna
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fucking hustle. And there are a lot of them are
immigrants. And the irony of this is that
during Trudeau shitload of immigrants.
Now there's a ton of people doing these big parcel
deliveries. Yeah, and it's crushing Canada
Post. Yeah, that's another thing.
OK, the union demands, OK, there's more money always.
That's this seems like a thing. The union is pushing for 10
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extra paid medical days on top of existing personal leave,
expanded healthcare benefits andshort term disability benefits.
They're fighting proposed operational changes.
They wanna Canada Post wants to phase out the fixed routes in
favour of dynamic routing. So letting software assign where
they go sounds very efficient, although that's kind of like a
weird problem. I'm sure that's a very
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inefficient thing, broadly speaking.
But anyway, they also oppose removing wash up time before
meals and any cuts to rest or health protections.
The union accuses the federal government of attacks on public
Postal Service proposals to convert 4 million addresses to
community mailboxes, weaken the five day delivery requirement,
lift rural post office moratoriaand more frequent stamp rate
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increases. OK, so I view the governor.
Here's a weird one. I'm super super in favor of
almost every government positionon this because funding.
Government or Canada Post? Management, Government of
Canada's position, all of the things they're talking about are
either efficiencies or reductionin service, right, because the
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year is 2025 and not that many people get mail.
People do still get mail, Yeah. You know honestly old people,
just just the elderly excuse, right?
Like some. People right?
Check. But rural communities, I can
respect that. There is a I would actually say
it's gone from being a mass market thing.
(06:43):
Yeah, the every single person inthis country needs mail service,
right to a niche market, OK. Very small numbers of people in
this country, unfortunately in very rural places in particular
up here or or the elderly need mail service, OK.
So the government goes, OK, how can we make try to make this
work? How can we find efficiencies?
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How can we find ways to reduce costs?
Because again, we're paying likea billion dollars a year for
this thing. We're losing.
To to, to fail. Yeah, basically to, to,
obviously wind down. And so they go, well, let's look
at a series of practical ways todo this.
The Union has come back with we want to work.
Less yeah, yeah, stuff. Holy shit, are you serious?
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But I think they want more moneyas well, right?
Yeah. So it's like, it just feels
like, look, I'm not against union unions, and United Nations
unions protect employees from shitty employers.
Yeah. And historically, that's always
been the case. It feels like these, the reality
for a lot of these postal workers is a lot of them should
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be laid off. And that sucks.
And I really feel for those people.
But it's a corporation that's losing an unbelievable amount of
money. Let's just put it in the
context. Let's say it was a private
company. Would it even exist?
No. Right.
Belong on. So like these.
I, I think what I, I struggle with on the union side here is
they are lucky to have these jobs.
(08:12):
Yeah. They're really well.
Paid in a lot of cases, they're really good benefits.
Really, really good salary. Yeah.
You know, it's. It has its dangers, you know, I
suppose, you know, driving around can be dangerous, like
random dogs. I have a very nice dog, but dogs
can be dangerous and all these other things that can happen.
Yeah. Probably weird stuff in
packages. Yeah.
(08:32):
But like, come on, you're not a police officer, right?
You know what I mean? Like you're not in the other
categories. I think of sort of what I
imagine like the broader unionized civil service kind of
idea. You know what I mean?
And just to me, it feels like ifyou want to, if you want to lose
all the jobs, like 90% of the jobs in Canada Post is a great
way to do it. Yeah.
(08:53):
If you want to preserve, let's say, half, you'd be working with
the government. So why don't I throw 3 scenarios
at you and get your your, your? Thoughts.
I would like you to also put your ass on the.
Line no well you've done a good job of sort of table setting the
dire situation that exists financially so I I I kind of see
(09:13):
like 3 possible outcomes here sothere's kind of like the you
know overarching Canada Post is supposed to get mail to people
and especially these rural communities are the most like at
risk yeah if this goes South so so like avenue 1 is like what if
you kill it and just come up with like an innovative way to
accomplish Canada Post mission so option 1 is like kill it what
(09:35):
does that look like option 2 is fix it OK and fix it means we
gotta get to like some sort of break even OK and option 3 is
the the the sunshine option which is we crush this market
we're going to every house in this country every single day
why don't we eat up the bolt at and all these other startups why
(09:59):
why aren't we winning that and then going.
Back and that's easy. OK, so let's let's take option
one first. OK, Kill it.
How do you kill it? How do you kill it and still
find a way to get parcel delivery, mail delivery to rural
communities in this country? I don't think it's feasible to
be honest with you. I think that it's not appealing
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to private industry to do this. I think you would have to find a
way to tie like something, another organization that's also
forced to go to these communities.
Remember, we're wasting a billion dollars a year right now
on the current solution. What does that buy from a
delivery perspective if you go and create a market and say we
need rural delivery OK to and you can identify on a map.
(10:43):
These I guess. The real question is, and you
can say we are open, there's an RFP, yeah, who will do it for
20? 4 million, Yeah, because we'd
save 800. Yeah, right.
Exactly. So I think there's like an
argument to be made there about,hey, maybe this just doesn't
work anymore. Could you end up like Air
Canada? Do it?
They flied all these remote ass places.
(11:03):
She They don't even fly. That's another like.
This isn't a bust that Kingston now.
Like, come on. So like there's a nice.
Forget Air Canada is not gonna do it, but yeah, but no.
Is there some other way of doingit?
Is there something innovative? Is there like drones that we can
fly up to those communities to deliver parcels on a daily
basis? Is this gonna dovetail?
Into the third the third scenario, the union will not
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allow this. The union will can't be a
union's fundamental goal is to make life as comfortable and is
protected for as many union members as possible.
It is a direct like counter incentive to, I would argue, a
lot of profitability, right? Which is OK, Generally speaking,
we need to protect employees. I think that's totally great.
But at the same time, you go to the union and say, hey, we're
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gonna fire half the people or furlough or lay them off,
whatever we want to call it, andwe're gonna buy, yeah, 1010
thousand, 50,100 thousand drones, right?
And we're going to deliver shit that way.
OK, There's gonna be. No.
Alright, right, fine on that point.
But I think one weird point though that like, you know, if
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you think of outside of a union,if you're just an employee, OK,
uh huh. If your company is hemorrhaging
money and you're, you know, fighting and you're not getting
along real well, is that the dayyou go ask for a raise?
No, it's crazy. It's, it's, you know, so I, I
just, I really struggle. I don't feel the plight.
Of the Canada the opposite side now, let Canada Post that Canada
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Post, they had said. You know what?
We're gonna rock on these small packages.
We're gonna be Amazons delivery.We were gonna crush this stunt
everywhere. That they lost or like can't,
can't be the option of choice. And we keep going.
Yeah, but like, and then you go to the the the government and
you say, hey, Canada Post just made a billion dollars in profit
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this year. We'd like a raise.
Hell yeah. Well, yeah, go for.
It OK. What do you want?
To do it understand is why that they would want to have a a
fight when they're in in such a weak negotiating position on
this we're the contemplation is like literally shutting.
Canada Post Fundamentally, I believe this is a form of
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anchoring. I think they're anchoring
because they understand that if they don't take a ridiculous
position way down on the other end of the spectrum of like what
reason, I think we're pretty reasonable.
What most people would think is reasonable, yeah.
Then they will lose all the jobs.
And so I think what they're doing is they're positioning as
our position is not only the have to keep all of us, we have
to pay us more and we get 10 extra crazy sick days or
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whatever the hell it is and all these other things.
So that when they do come to a resolution with the government,
they're only firing like 30%, OK.
You know I'm. Saying, yeah, so like they kind
of like meet in the middle and they've just taken that really
far. The the Zopa Zone of potential
agreement is like further towards what they want.
I think is that is is the feeling OK?
(13:55):
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Hey, can I throw an idea out there?
For sure. We like.
I like your drone idea, by the way.
That's a cool idea. And also, I think yeah, for $200
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million, Government of Canada for $200 million, I'd be happy.
Chris, I will work on this for you.
We will get some drones. We will figure.
This out we will deliver mail delivery.
We will deliver the remote communities for you.
But the second option is thinking is like, well, what
other like can you deliver? So First off, community
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mailboxes, no doubter. So I'm I'm one who gets first of
all, I get out of our house. We have like legacy mail
delivered to our door, that kindof thing.
This is an old timey thing. We were grandfathered into this.
I don't care. I don't mind walking around the
block. I get like no mail.
Only mail I get is ads. Anyway, so you're getting into
option two. Yeah, which is the let's fix it.
(14:57):
OK, Yeah. So we're not gonna be super
profitable, but we need to figure out some way to not
breaking hemorrhage ability break even.
Right. Right.
Break. Freaky.
OK, So what do they do? First of all, all, the door to
door mail delivery is over history.
Definitely. It's all super boxes or whatever
they call community mailboxes. Sure.
That's that's gotta do that. You know, the other thing I
think they're gonna have to do is, you know, right now it's
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every day of the week, you know,five days a week.
Yeah. You don't know delivery.
What about one day a week? Yeah, you know, great.
OK, Alright. Yeah.
So we have delivery. You know what?
I go to the mailbox. I don't think I would go to the
mailbox more than once a week like in my condo down the
street. It is like a community.
We get mail every. Day yeah I don't check it every
day I only I would only go once a week anyway yeah and any like
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so I got all my bills online I'mnot gonna.
Sure, wait. But let's imagine you were.
But it's still 30 days that you have.
To ask you like 30. Yeah, 30 to deliver, then a week
maybe. So then you got two weeks to pay
it and you know, you're gonna know these recurring bills like
when they're gonna do and stuff like that.
So I don't see that as super scary or anything like that, but
I think there may be something around that.
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Obviously, if you've got, you know, postal carriers and you
got to go five days a week and now all of a sudden you have to
go one day a week, you're only 20%, only 20 of the workers that
you needed before. The other thing too is I, I just
don't know if there's like a capacity issue, trucks, that
sort of stuff, if there's something they run into there by
bringing it down that much. Although I did read that I think
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it was like 6 billion letters in10 years ago were being
delivered and now it's down to like 2 billion per year.
That's a lot. So the amount of letter mail has
gone way down. So I'm assuming the amount of
space taking up in the trucks isgoing I actually.
Think there's two different people I think there's parcel
truck drivers and then there's like mail people yeah yeah.
And so I. Think so can I get my my other
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piece of the fix it approach, which I think is around the the
people that are receiving things.
So, you know, government checks for OS, old age security and
things like that. Yeah, that's a big issue, right?
Because people need that money, they need those checks.
And, you know, I, I was watchingthe news and somebody was
saying, well, I don't wanna do any online banking.
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I don't want my banking on computer or whatever.
And I'm sitting there thinking to myself like it's in a
computer somewhere. Yeah, you think?
The governments got your file and a big journal.
They're like, oh, it's Gary. Yeah.
Maybe maybe a little bit less risk by not having an online
banking account, but like, you know, it's a computer somewhere.
Like you can't immunize yourselffrom it.
It's more just a resistance to wanting to use a computer to
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access or do your banking over your phone or what have you.
And I think there might need to be some programs or some ways
that you say, hey, maybe you go down to the local library and
the librarians there can help you do so.
I was gonna say online banking. Infrastructure like this, public
libraries, yeah, great. You have a bunch of terminals in
the library. Yeah, if you're looking for your
government, Canada, whatever yougo in.
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There cause remember we've got abillion dollars a year we can
spend on. That's a lot of.
Dough and like you go in there we I had to do online
verification for something the other day Government Canada
starting to do this. So you go in you have to like
give your drivers license. You gotta give your passport or
something that shows like you are Canadian citizen, sure.
So you could reinforce that withthese terminals and all of a
(18:08):
sudden you're like, hey, you canget access to your stuff.
Pretty quickly. There's already precedent for
it, like Service Ontario Kiosk, Yes or common.
You know, like, Oh yeah, put them in the Staples too.
The the service Ontario is now in like some Staples location.
Yeah, yeah. There's so much like optical
infrastructure that makes it so like, I think broadly speaking
though, too, there's a, there's two ways I can see that you
could like for OAS, for example,like because I.
(18:31):
Go right into your bank. Account.
Yeah, like what the hell are we talking about now, don't we?
Like so part of you have to fileyour taxes, Yeah, so give Sierra
your bank account information asyou do your next tax thing and
then boom, coming right into your account the.
Other thing too is I don't thinkthis, you know, this like fix it
solution would happen overnight.It would be phased in over three
years. So you've got some time to kind
of like put the groundwork in place to make it happen.
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So anyways, I don't want to waste too much time on the fix
that one. What I'd like to try it talk
about last is sort of the optimistic, let's crush it.
Let's let's own this market of door to door delivery.
OK, How would you do? That if you're So what I
understand right now is that actually and one of the reasons
because we are started, one of the reasons why this is so
annoying for a lot of businessesis that Canada Post is the most
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affordable form of parcel delivery and mail.
Delivery. Yeah, a lot.
Of small business this is obviously like heavily
subsidized is the reason for that is probably tied to why
we're losing billions of dollars, right.
So this is like all kind of there's a reason for that, but
it's very disruptive I think fora lot of businesses that this is
happening especially repeatedly happening.
OK, so there's I just wanna throw that point out there is
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kind of relevant. The other thing though is that
if we're being heavily subsidized, we have employees
that are being paid a lot with ashit load of vacation days and
all these other things. You're competing against
somebody who is working a lot, who is hustling, who wants every
dollar. It's not guaranteed they have to
deliver parcels. Yeah, they are more cost
competitive and hungry than thanthe Canadian corporation doing
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this. I'm gonna see that as a pretty
big losing proposition unless wereally, really I I'm not saying
it shouldn't necessarily have a union, but the union better be
on board with way improved. Competitiveness and recognize
that it's you're, you're competing against these guys.
That are gonna hustle and that. Are hungry.
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The other the only other thing you could do is maybe as Canada
is go to the Amazons go to the big parcel delivery the the
biggest you know probably like walmart.ca and like these other
ones and be like look we're going to give you some sort of
special thing. You're only going to work with
Canada Post and not to force them like try to incentivize
them to do this and try to get them to move away from these
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other three PL's and these are like delivery services right And
so they have to like flex their government wait.
But the problem is they're stillgonna be more expensive or it's
still gonna cost in the taxpayer.
Yeah I just don't think they have it in them.
Like if you was, if you were to say to me, let's imagine it was
our app armor and one of our competitors was unionized, yeah,
I'd be like, great. Yeah, that's awesome news.
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So yeah, I, I think the mentality has to be that, hey,
as like workers, OK, you're gonna do the exact same thing
that you're doing. You're going to drive the same
route, we're gonna stop at the same houses that you may just
have more packages that you're stop dropping off at those.
And I don't understand, it mightbe that there's a lot of
resistance to this and there maybe like a, an operational side
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of it that it's more difficult than I'm, I'm realizing.
Probably. Sure, definitely.
Probably something should be a reason for the push.
I recognize, right? Yeah.
But at the same time, you gotta say to them, like, look, if we
do wanna keep getting raises andwe do want, we gonna have a rate
that we can do this and we can compete with these other people
that are doing it at like a third of the salary of what what
we're making. So we've got to be able to
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provide this capability and we've got to be really good at
it. And you know, like you think
they've already got the trucks, they've already got the
infrastructure, they're already at those doors already like got
the mailboxes in place. They've, you know, like I, I
just don't understand why they don't grab that opportunity.
And run with it. There's a, there's a, I feel
like there's also a fundamental misalignment between unions and,
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and their corporate entity, right.
And, and that is that the, the union exists through support of
the members. Yeah, members pay into it.
So if you have to turn around and be like, hey, members.
Well, by the way, in a lot of cases people are forced to join
the union as and when they joined a company.
That's really nice. So I I would assume it's the
same in this case. Yeah.
(22:23):
So you're forced to join this union and then you pay in this
union for something and then union turns around and say hey,
we gotta cut like half of you. Yeah.
Like, you know, the problem is like they can't, they're this is
always what I find. This is kind of a weird thing.
I'm very pro charity. Just I'm gonna say this is
before I say anything, but I always find it kind of weird
because when you think about a charity, their existence is
perpetuated. Let's say they're trying to cure
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cancer. Their existence is perpetuated
on the existence of that cancer.If that cancer is resolved, what
are they doing there? Right.
So when I think about not so nota fair comparison to unions, I
don't think it means our cancer.But I am going to say though
that like there's the the it's not.
It's just this fundamental broken misalignment where their
existence is perpetuated on the members being employed in in
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vast numbers. It even affects their revenue.
Yeah, that the that that is going to be jeopardized in these
situations. But I think they see the writing
on the wall, man. And I think that's why they're
positioning their anchored so hard as they know that this is
over. Yeah, whether it's sort of.
Over 10 years, It's gonna It's on its way.
Out. Yeah, It's not if, but when.
(23:28):
Yeah. And maybe they're trying to
squeeze the last little. Bit what if you were just
Government of Canada? Here's another option.
What if you're just like, we're not gonna do anything with
Canada Post If you're a governorof Canada, you say it's all
digital. Fuck it.
Just fuck. It so like option one.
Option one, no more mail from Canada and watch on.
All the other governments would do it.
Yeah. And then all of a sudden you're
(23:49):
just like OHP now they're delivering nothing.
Well, that's easy, yeah. Then you go to Parliament and
you say hey, let's pass the bill.
It says no more Canada Post phase out over the next five
years. I like I.
I I think that Union's gonna be really regretting that little
like flag. It's funny, I always think of
libertarians, right? They have like, what?
(24:09):
What are the two things government should do?
The litter of the male Defend the shores.
Really. Yeah, it's.
It's always say that's like that's their minimum of what
government does, OK. They don't want anything else
from government. They're the smallest government
possible. Defend the shores, deliver the
mail. And I'm like, I don't think you
need to deliver the mail just tofeathers.
Just defend the source. We need an army.
I think that's pretty cool. But hey, can I end with one
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small anecdote? Yeah.
What was the first paid job I ever had?
Delivering newspapers. Yeah, yeah.
So I kind of know the pain. I had 115 houses that I had to
go to. It was twice a week.
It was Wednesdays and Saturdays.How much you paid bro?
How many sick days did you have?Bro I remember.
It was you put the flag. Up No, I you know what, it was
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really bad. I remember.
So when I remember being at yourhouse and seeing the Canada Post
guy cut across all the yards to drop the mail and they just walk
right across the yards and stufflike that.
I remember being like a 13 year old kid and having a lady yell
at me because I walked on her grass.
Yeah. And then I never walked on
people's grass again. So like, if you think of going
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to houses, it was like, it was like Rd. up to house directly
back down, over, up, down, over,up, down.
And like it was brutal. So I understand, yeah.
The pain of of delivering anything.
OK, I. Think I wanted to say here too,
I'm with you. Yeah, I get that.
And I think on a human level, like I, I understand that this
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would feel really bad to be in this position as, as a maybe a
Canada Post employee who understands everything we just
said. Yeah.
And I'm really not mad at you asa person.
But I think fundamentally you have to look at the services we
provide and what we do as a country and as a people and
understand whether or not this makes sense.
And I'm going to also say that losing your job sucks.
I've been fired before, a coupleactually a couple of times.
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Like, it is not fun. You feel like a total loser.
And I do apologize for that cause that's gonna suck.
But I also think that we just have to make some of these
decisions sometimes. I respect the work you've done
as a person. I respect you the human level
that this would suck, but at thesame time it's not tenable.
I really hope they take the pathof we can retake this market and
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make this artist. Don't.
I don't think they will. Well, I'm gonna see that.
I see that very. Unlike, I'm gonna stay positive
and say. That I think digital
transformation leads to it beingabout 10% of its size in like 10
years, yeah. Well, anyway.
We'll see. We'll see.
Alright, we'll come back in 10 years and see how it worked out,
Yeah. By the way, if you want to
direct your hate mail somewhere,don't bother.
We'll get there anyway. Hey, alright, we'll see you next
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week. Alright, cool.
Start let's get it rolling. Big ideas, money folding hustle,
smart dream so wild turn that grinding through a joy.
Ride.
I like your drone idea, by the way.
That's a cool idea. And also I think, yeah, for $200
million, Government of Canada for $200 million, I'd be happy.
Chris, I will work on this for you.
We will get some drones. We will figure this out.
We will. Deliver mail delivery.
We will deliver to remote communities for you.
Let's get it rolling. Big ideas.
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Money folder hustle. Smart dream.
So wild. Turn that grinding through a joy
ride. Get an e-mail lately?
But. Why not?
Did you actually hear that Canada Post came out and said
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that there are no longer? So I I I gotta digress.
Yeah, I have. Let's start with the preamble.
OK, here's the premise. Chris, this is this has a Chris
vengeance or Chris aggression. Yeah, like labels is warning
just popping. Up on screen.
So Chris recently purchased a cottage.
OK. Lovely spot.
I love it. It's it's amazing.
It's on a very quiet Rd. Yeah.
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But what it's got is it got the the mailbox at the end of the
driveway with the little flag. Thing was, ohhhhh.
Yeah, you, but did you hear whatCanada?
They don't wanna. Do it anymore.
They won't. Build up.
The government doesn't want to do it right.
I thought we have no idea CanadaPost or the union or both or
whatever, they won't put the little flag up.
They. Literally just the flag.
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They won't put the flag like they would do like area
mailboxes now. Instead of ohe, you're getting
way ahead. OK, just think of today, right
now they won't do the thing theyput they.
Do you know how many Canada Postworkers are killed every year
lifting the little flag? Apparently.
So many like blisters so. It's this is such a small thing,
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OK, But I feel like when you're gonna go into a labour dispute
and you know, why would you wantto piss off all of your
customers over? Not like, oh, hey, I just put a
bunch of mail in your mailbox. I will refuse to put the little
flag up so that you can know that you have to walk down to
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the end of your driveway to get your mail.
And this is such a small thing. It's so silly to be complaining
about. I actually read that everybody's
kind of confused what the flag is actually for, and it's
actually the reverse. It's like, yeah.
If I wanna rail something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Then I put the flag up to tell the post office to stop at my
mailbox to pick up the thing to mail.
I I think I. Thought it worked either way.
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If The thing is up, that means there's got there, yeah.
But what if I didn't pick up my mail and the flag still up?
Like there's a whole bunch of confusion around this.
The you know, it's a bully. Truer false.
Is this whole lot of different? What tree is this?
Yeah, there's somebody I like, some bureaucrat is like, hey, we
need you to figure out the little flag problem.
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We're gonna pay you $150,000 a year.
It's the flag is part way up hanging.
Chad of Ohe Man, there's a reference for for my millennial
folks in the. House OK, so Oh my God, my grass
will actually older actually talk about the actual.
Talk somewhere Al Gore, just like who?
Shattered, sorry. So the topic we're talking about
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today is the Canada Post labour disruption, though I think we
need to put out there that like we were business owners and you
know when you own a business, you see business through a
certain lens. When you've been an employee and
you've never run a business, yousee business through another
lens and everybody has their own.
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Perspectives on these things I also like.
I think 1/3 category is bureaucrats.
I, I think there's a category where you haven't run a
business, but you've all had a government job and I think
there's something, especially when you're in a unionized
environment. So all I wanna do on this
episode is I wanna make sure that we're trying to look at
this issue from those different lenses, sure.
So that we can we have a balanced approach.
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We have. We are not Kevin O'Leary or
whatever, just saying whatever crazy thing comes to mind.
Alright, that. Being said, let's set the table
for this situation. There is currently a labour
dispute between the union with you in Canada Post.
Yeah, OK. The main issue appears to be
wages. The.
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I I know this. Do you want me to do Yeah,
actually set the table, man, OK.Canada Post says posted losses
exceeding $3 billion since 2018 Like. 10 million a day.
Right 20 yeah 2023 alone it lost$748 million before tax at 26%
jump over 2022 it received federal lifeline loans of up to
a billion dollars in early 2025 to prevent insolvency.
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The parcel share is collapsing with once a 62% of the of the
market, now it's down to 26%. Yeah, by the way, they're
getting crushed by like go Bolt and like these little gig
economy guys, like the irony. I I would also just point out
that a lot of these roles are are done by people who wanna
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fucking hustle. And there are a lot of them are
immigrants. And the irony of this is that
during Trudeau shitload of immigrants.
Now there's a ton of people doing these big parcel
deliveries. Yeah, and it's crushing Canada
Post. Yeah, that's another thing.
OK, the union demands, OK, there's more money always.
That's this seems like a thing. The union is pushing for 10
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extra paid medical days on top of existing personal leave,
expanded healthcare benefits andshort term disability benefits.
They're fighting proposed operational changes.
They wanna Canada Post wants to phase out the fixed routes in
favour of dynamic routing. So letting software assign where
they go sounds very efficient, although that's kind of like a
weird problem. I'm sure that's a very
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inefficient thing, broadly speaking.
But anyway, they also oppose removing wash up time before
meals and any cuts to rest or health protections.
The union accuses the federal government of attacks on public
Postal Service proposals to convert 4 million addresses to
community mailboxes, weaken the five day delivery requirement,
lift rural post office moratoriaand more frequent stamp rate
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increases. OK, so I view the governor.
Here's a weird one. I'm super super in favor of
almost every government positionon this because funding.
Government or Canada Post? Management, Government of
Canada's position, all of the things they're talking about are
either efficiencies or reductionin service, right, because the
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year is 2025 and not that many people get mail.
People do still get mail, Yeah. You know honestly old people,
just just the elderly excuse, right?
Like some. People right?
Check. But rural communities, I can
respect that. There is a I would actually say
it's gone from being a mass market thing.
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Yeah, the every single person inthis country needs mail service,
right to a niche market, OK. Very small numbers of people in
this country, unfortunately in very rural places in particular
up here or or the elderly need mail service, OK.
So the government goes, OK, how can we make try to make this
work? How can we find efficiencies?
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How can we find ways to reduce costs?
Because again, we're paying likea billion dollars a year for
this thing. We're losing.
To to, to fail. Yeah, basically to, to,
obviously wind down. And so they go, well, let's look
at a series of practical ways todo this.
The Union has come back with we want to work.
Less yeah, yeah, stuff. Holy shit, are you serious?
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But I think they want more moneyas well, right?
Yeah. So it's like, it just feels
like, look, I'm not against union unions, and United Nations
unions protect employees from shitty employers.
Yeah. And historically, that's always
been the case. It feels like these, the reality
for a lot of these postal workers is a lot of them should
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be laid off. And that sucks.
And I really feel for those people.
But it's a corporation that's losing an unbelievable amount of
money. Let's just put it in the
context. Let's say it was a private
company. Would it even exist?
No. Right.
Belong on. So like these.
I, I think what I, I struggle with on the union side here is
they are lucky to have these jobs.
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Yeah. They're really well.
Paid in a lot of cases, they're really good benefits.
Really, really good salary. Yeah.
You know, it's. It has its dangers, you know, I
suppose, you know, driving around can be dangerous, like
random dogs. I have a very nice dog, but dogs
can be dangerous and all these other things that can happen.
Yeah. Probably weird stuff in
packages. Yeah.
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But like, come on, you're not a police officer, right?
You know what I mean? Like you're not in the other
categories. I think of sort of what I
imagine like the broader unionized civil service kind of
idea. You know what I mean?
And just to me, it feels like ifyou want to, if you want to lose
all the jobs, like 90% of the jobs in Canada Post is a great
way to do it. Yeah.
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If you want to preserve, let's say, half, you'd be working with
the government. So why don't I throw 3 scenarios
at you and get your your, your? Thoughts.
I would like you to also put your ass on the.
Line no well you've done a good job of sort of table setting the
dire situation that exists financially so I I I kind of see
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like 3 possible outcomes here sothere's kind of like the you
know overarching Canada Post is supposed to get mail to people
and especially these rural communities are the most like at
risk yeah if this goes South so so like avenue 1 is like what if
you kill it and just come up with like an innovative way to
accomplish Canada Post mission so option 1 is like kill it what
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does that look like option 2 is fix it OK and fix it means we
gotta get to like some sort of break even OK and option 3 is
the the the sunshine option which is we crush this market
we're going to every house in this country every single day
why don't we eat up the bolt at and all these other startups why
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why aren't we winning that and then going.
Back and that's easy. OK, so let's let's take option
one first. OK, Kill it.
How do you kill it? How do you kill it and still
find a way to get parcel delivery, mail delivery to rural
communities in this country? I don't think it's feasible to
be honest with you. I think that it's not appealing
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to private industry to do this. I think you would have to find a
way to tie like something, another organization that's also
forced to go to these communities.
Remember, we're wasting a billion dollars a year right now
on the current solution. What does that buy from a
delivery perspective if you go and create a market and say we
need rural delivery OK to and you can identify on a map.
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These I guess. The real question is, and you
can say we are open, there's an RFP, yeah, who will do it for
20? 4 million, Yeah, because we'd
save 800. Yeah, right.
Exactly. So I think there's like an
argument to be made there about,hey, maybe this just doesn't
work anymore. Could you end up like Air
Canada? Do it?
They flied all these remote ass places.
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She They don't even fly. That's another like.
This isn't a bust that Kingston now.
Like, come on. So like there's a nice.
Forget Air Canada is not gonna do it, but yeah, but no.
Is there some other way of doingit?
Is there something innovative? Is there like drones that we can
fly up to those communities to deliver parcels on a daily
basis? Is this gonna dovetail?
Into the third the third scenario, the union will not
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allow this. The union will can't be a
union's fundamental goal is to make life as comfortable and is
protected for as many union members as possible.
It is a direct like counter incentive to, I would argue, a
lot of profitability, right? Which is OK, Generally speaking,
we need to protect employees. I think that's totally great.
But at the same time, you go to the union and say, hey, we're
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gonna fire half the people or furlough or lay them off,
whatever we want to call it, andwe're gonna buy, yeah, 1010
thousand, 50,100 thousand drones, right?
And we're going to deliver shit that way.
OK, There's gonna be. No.
Alright, right, fine on that point.
But I think one weird point though that like, you know, if
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you think of outside of a union,if you're just an employee, OK,
uh huh. If your company is hemorrhaging
money and you're, you know, fighting and you're not getting
along real well, is that the dayyou go ask for a raise?
No, it's crazy. It's, it's, you know, so I, I
just, I really struggle. I don't feel the plight.
Of the Canada the opposite side now, let Canada Post that Canada
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Post, they had said. You know what?
We're gonna rock on these small packages.
We're gonna be Amazons delivery.We were gonna crush this stunt
everywhere. That they lost or like can't,
can't be the option of choice. And we keep going.
Yeah, but like, and then you go to the the the government and
you say, hey, Canada Post just made a billion dollars in profit
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this year. We'd like a raise.
Hell yeah. Well, yeah, go for.
It OK. What do you want?
To do it understand is why that they would want to have a a
fight when they're in in such a weak negotiating position on
this we're the contemplation is like literally shutting.
Canada Post Fundamentally, I believe this is a form of
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anchoring. I think they're anchoring
because they understand that if they don't take a ridiculous
position way down on the other end of the spectrum of like what
reason, I think we're pretty reasonable.
What most people would think is reasonable, yeah.
Then they will lose all the jobs.
And so I think what they're doing is they're positioning as
our position is not only the have to keep all of us, we have
to pay us more and we get 10 extra crazy sick days or
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whatever the hell it is and all these other things.
So that when they do come to a resolution with the government,
they're only firing like 30%, OK.
You know I'm. Saying, yeah, so like they kind
of like meet in the middle and they've just taken that really
far. The the Zopa Zone of potential
agreement is like further towards what they want.
I think is that is is the feeling OK?
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Hey, can I throw an idea out there?
For sure. We like.
I like your drone idea, by the way.
That's a cool idea. And also, I think yeah, for $200
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million, Government of Canada for $200 million, I'd be happy.
Chris, I will work on this for you.
We will get some drones. We will figure.
This out we will deliver mail delivery.
We will deliver the remote communities for you.
But the second option is thinking is like, well, what
other like can you deliver? So First off, community
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mailboxes, no doubter. So I'm I'm one who gets first of
all, I get out of our house. We have like legacy mail
delivered to our door, that kindof thing.
This is an old timey thing. We were grandfathered into this.
I don't care. I don't mind walking around the
block. I get like no mail.
Only mail I get is ads. Anyway, so you're getting into
option two. Yeah, which is the let's fix it.
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OK, Yeah. So we're not gonna be super
profitable, but we need to figure out some way to not
breaking hemorrhage ability break even.
Right. Right.
Break. Freaky.
OK, So what do they do? First of all, all, the door to
door mail delivery is over history.
Definitely. It's all super boxes or whatever
they call community mailboxes. Sure.
That's that's gotta do that. You know, the other thing I
think they're gonna have to do is, you know, right now it's
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every day of the week, you know,five days a week.
Yeah. You don't know delivery.
What about one day a week? Yeah, you know, great.
OK, Alright. Yeah.
So we have delivery. You know what?
I go to the mailbox. I don't think I would go to the
mailbox more than once a week like in my condo down the
street. It is like a community.
We get mail every. Day yeah I don't check it every
day I only I would only go once a week anyway yeah and any like
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so I got all my bills online I'mnot gonna.
Sure, wait. But let's imagine you were.
But it's still 30 days that you have.
To ask you like 30. Yeah, 30 to deliver, then a week
maybe. So then you got two weeks to pay
it and you know, you're gonna know these recurring bills like
when they're gonna do and stuff like that.
So I don't see that as super scary or anything like that, but
I think there may be something around that.
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Obviously, if you've got, you know, postal carriers and you
got to go five days a week and now all of a sudden you have to
go one day a week, you're only 20%, only 20 of the workers that
you needed before. The other thing too is I, I just
don't know if there's like a capacity issue, trucks, that
sort of stuff, if there's something they run into there by
bringing it down that much. Although I did read that I think
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it was like 6 billion letters in10 years ago were being
delivered and now it's down to like 2 billion per year.
That's a lot. So the amount of letter mail has
gone way down. So I'm assuming the amount of
space taking up in the trucks isgoing I actually.
Think there's two different people I think there's parcel
truck drivers and then there's like mail people yeah yeah.
And so I. Think so can I get my my other
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piece of the fix it approach, which I think is around the the
people that are receiving things.
So, you know, government checks for OS, old age security and
things like that. Yeah, that's a big issue, right?
Because people need that money, they need those checks.
And, you know, I, I was watchingthe news and somebody was
saying, well, I don't wanna do any online banking.
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I don't want my banking on computer or whatever.
And I'm sitting there thinking to myself like it's in a
computer somewhere. Yeah, you think?
The governments got your file and a big journal.
They're like, oh, it's Gary. Yeah.
Maybe maybe a little bit less risk by not having an online
banking account, but like, you know, it's a computer somewhere.
Like you can't immunize yourselffrom it.
It's more just a resistance to wanting to use a computer to
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access or do your banking over your phone or what have you.
And I think there might need to be some programs or some ways
that you say, hey, maybe you go down to the local library and
the librarians there can help you do so.
I was gonna say online banking. Infrastructure like this, public
libraries, yeah, great. You have a bunch of terminals in
the library. Yeah, if you're looking for your
government, Canada, whatever yougo in.
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There cause remember we've got abillion dollars a year we can
spend on. That's a lot of.
Dough and like you go in there we I had to do online
verification for something the other day Government Canada
starting to do this. So you go in you have to like
give your drivers license. You gotta give your passport or
something that shows like you are Canadian citizen, sure.
So you could reinforce that withthese terminals and all of a
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sudden you're like, hey, you canget access to your stuff.
Pretty quickly. There's already precedent for
it, like Service Ontario Kiosk, Yes or common.
You know, like, Oh yeah, put them in the Staples too.
The the service Ontario is now in like some Staples location.
Yeah, yeah. There's so much like optical
infrastructure that makes it so like, I think broadly speaking
though, too, there's a, there's two ways I can see that you
could like for OAS, for example,like because I.
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Go right into your bank. Account.
Yeah, like what the hell are we talking about now, don't we?
Like so part of you have to fileyour taxes, Yeah, so give Sierra
your bank account information asyou do your next tax thing and
then boom, coming right into your account the.
Other thing too is I don't thinkthis, you know, this like fix it
solution would happen overnight.It would be phased in over three
years. So you've got some time to kind
of like put the groundwork in place to make it happen.
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So anyways, I don't want to waste too much time on the fix
that one. What I'd like to try it talk
about last is sort of the optimistic, let's crush it.
Let's let's own this market of door to door delivery.
OK, How would you do? That if you're So what I
understand right now is that actually and one of the reasons
because we are started, one of the reasons why this is so
annoying for a lot of businessesis that Canada Post is the most
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affordable form of parcel delivery and mail.
Delivery. Yeah, a lot.
Of small business this is obviously like heavily
subsidized is the reason for that is probably tied to why
we're losing billions of dollars, right.
So this is like all kind of there's a reason for that, but
it's very disruptive I think fora lot of businesses that this is
happening especially repeatedly happening.
OK, so there's I just wanna throw that point out there is
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kind of relevant. The other thing though is that
if we're being heavily subsidized, we have employees
that are being paid a lot with ashit load of vacation days and
all these other things. You're competing against
somebody who is working a lot, who is hustling, who wants every
dollar. It's not guaranteed they have to
deliver parcels. Yeah, they are more cost
competitive and hungry than thanthe Canadian corporation doing
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this. I'm gonna see that as a pretty
big losing proposition unless wereally, really I I'm not saying
it shouldn't necessarily have a union, but the union better be
on board with way improved. Competitiveness and recognize
that it's you're, you're competing against these guys.
That are gonna hustle and that. Are hungry.
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The other the only other thing you could do is maybe as Canada
is go to the Amazons go to the big parcel delivery the the
biggest you know probably like walmart.ca and like these other
ones and be like look we're going to give you some sort of
special thing. You're only going to work with
Canada Post and not to force them like try to incentivize
them to do this and try to get them to move away from these
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other three PL's and these are like delivery services right And
so they have to like flex their government wait.
But the problem is they're stillgonna be more expensive or it's
still gonna cost in the taxpayer.
Yeah I just don't think they have it in them.
Like if you was, if you were to say to me, let's imagine it was
our app armor and one of our competitors was unionized, yeah,
I'd be like, great. Yeah, that's awesome news.
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So yeah, I, I think the mentality has to be that, hey,
as like workers, OK, you're gonna do the exact same thing
that you're doing. You're going to drive the same
route, we're gonna stop at the same houses that you may just
have more packages that you're stop dropping off at those.
And I don't understand, it mightbe that there's a lot of
resistance to this and there maybe like a, an operational side
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of it that it's more difficult than I'm, I'm realizing.
Probably. Sure, definitely.
Probably something should be a reason for the push.
I recognize, right? Yeah.
But at the same time, you gotta say to them, like, look, if we
do wanna keep getting raises andwe do want, we gonna have a rate
that we can do this and we can compete with these other people
that are doing it at like a third of the salary of what what
we're making. So we've got to be able to
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provide this capability and we've got to be really good at
it. And you know, like you think
they've already got the trucks, they've already got the
infrastructure, they're already at those doors already like got
the mailboxes in place. They've, you know, like I, I
just don't understand why they don't grab that opportunity.
And run with it. There's a, there's a, I feel
like there's also a fundamental misalignment between unions and,
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and their corporate entity, right.
And, and that is that the, the union exists through support of
the members. Yeah, members pay into it.
So if you have to turn around and be like, hey, members.
Well, by the way, in a lot of cases people are forced to join
the union as and when they joined a company.
That's really nice. So I I would assume it's the
same in this case. Yeah.
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So you're forced to join this union and then you pay in this
union for something and then union turns around and say hey,
we gotta cut like half of you. Yeah.
Like, you know, the problem is like they can't, they're this is
always what I find. This is kind of a weird thing.
I'm very pro charity. Just I'm gonna say this is
before I say anything, but I always find it kind of weird
because when you think about a charity, their existence is
perpetuated. Let's say they're trying to cure
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cancer. Their existence is perpetuated
on the existence of that cancer.If that cancer is resolved, what
are they doing there? Right.
So when I think about not so nota fair comparison to unions, I
don't think it means our cancer.But I am going to say though
that like there's the the it's not.
It's just this fundamental broken misalignment where their
existence is perpetuated on the members being employed in in
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vast numbers. It even affects their revenue.
Yeah, that the that that is going to be jeopardized in these
situations. But I think they see the writing
on the wall, man. And I think that's why they're
positioning their anchored so hard as they know that this is
over. Yeah, whether it's sort of.
Over 10 years, It's gonna It's on its way.
Out. Yeah, It's not if, but when.
(23:28):
Yeah. And maybe they're trying to
squeeze the last little. Bit what if you were just
Government of Canada? Here's another option.
What if you're just like, we're not gonna do anything with
Canada Post If you're a governorof Canada, you say it's all
digital. Fuck it.
Just fuck. It so like option one.
Option one, no more mail from Canada and watch on.
All the other governments would do it.
Yeah. And then all of a sudden you're
(23:49):
just like OHP now they're delivering nothing.
Well, that's easy, yeah. Then you go to Parliament and
you say hey, let's pass the bill.
It says no more Canada Post phase out over the next five
years. I like I.
I I think that Union's gonna be really regretting that little
like flag. It's funny, I always think of
libertarians, right? They have like, what?
(24:09):
What are the two things government should do?
The litter of the male Defend the shores.
Really. Yeah, it's.
It's always say that's like that's their minimum of what
government does, OK. They don't want anything else
from government. They're the smallest government
possible. Defend the shores, deliver the
mail. And I'm like, I don't think you
need to deliver the mail just tofeathers.
Just defend the source. We need an army.
I think that's pretty cool. But hey, can I end with one
(24:29):
small anecdote? Yeah.
What was the first paid job I ever had?
Delivering newspapers. Yeah, yeah.
So I kind of know the pain. I had 115 houses that I had to
go to. It was twice a week.
It was Wednesdays and Saturdays.How much you paid bro?
How many sick days did you have?Bro I remember.
It was you put the flag. Up No, I you know what, it was
(24:50):
really bad. I remember.
So when I remember being at yourhouse and seeing the Canada Post
guy cut across all the yards to drop the mail and they just walk
right across the yards and stufflike that.
I remember being like a 13 year old kid and having a lady yell
at me because I walked on her grass.
Yeah. And then I never walked on
people's grass again. So like, if you think of going
(25:11):
to houses, it was like, it was like Rd. up to house directly
back down, over, up, down, over,up, down.
And like it was brutal. So I understand, yeah.
The pain of of delivering anything.
OK, I. Think I wanted to say here too,
I'm with you. Yeah, I get that.
And I think on a human level, like I, I understand that this
(25:32):
would feel really bad to be in this position as, as a maybe a
Canada Post employee who understands everything we just
said. Yeah.
And I'm really not mad at you asa person.
But I think fundamentally you have to look at the services we
provide and what we do as a country and as a people and
understand whether or not this makes sense.
And I'm going to also say that losing your job sucks.
I've been fired before, a coupleactually a couple of times.
(25:53):
Like, it is not fun. You feel like a total loser.
And I do apologize for that cause that's gonna suck.
But I also think that we just have to make some of these
decisions sometimes. I respect the work you've done
as a person. I respect you the human level
that this would suck, but at thesame time it's not tenable.
I really hope they take the pathof we can retake this market and
(26:15):
make this artist. Don't.
I don't think they will. Well, I'm gonna see that.
I see that very. Unlike, I'm gonna stay positive
and say. That I think digital
transformation leads to it beingabout 10% of its size in like 10
years, yeah. Well, anyway.
We'll see. We'll see.
Alright, we'll come back in 10 years and see how it worked out,
Yeah. By the way, if you want to
direct your hate mail somewhere,don't bother.
We'll get there anyway. Hey, alright, we'll see you next
(26:37):
week. Alright, cool.
Start let's get it rolling. Big ideas, money folding hustle,
smart dream so wild turn that grinding through a joy.
Ride.
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