Are you ready to journey down the rabbit hole of art, technology, and personal transformation? We're joined by former frontman from the band "Coast Modern", Coleman Trapp, a multitalented musician, philosopher and passionate consciousness explorer, who has a unique perspective on life, having grown up in the heart of Hollywood as a high performer and musician.
He shares his insights on the purpose of art, his respect for the deep thinkers of the past, and his studies on topics such as time, nature, linguistics and more.
We discuss the intricate web of addiction and recovery as Coleman shares with us his experiences of working with and supporting those in recovery. Which leads us to discussing the ego, "software upgrades" and the role of the nervous system for human transformation, and his latest pursuit - creating music in alignment with natural language.
This episode is a rollercoaster ride, filled with thought-provoking insights and a whole new perspective on reality. Join us on this intellectual adventure with Coleman, and prepare to be opened as you've never been before.
To connect with Coleman, reach out to colemantrapp@gmail.com
And check out his YouTube Channel: @DigitalArcheology
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the startup of human potential.
We're your co-hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Clifton.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
And I'm Victoria.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And together we are Faces of the Future.
We have an awesome guest ofours, coleman Victoria.
Would you do the honors ofintroducing Coleman?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Absolutely so.
Coleman defines himself as aCalifornian who grew up in the
epicenter of the illusion,saturated by media, the
entertainment industry, and hegot to see a lot which has
broadened his deep perspectiveon the music and film industries
and how media programs people.
He wants to create a programthat's more meaningful,
(00:40):
resourceful and useful forpeople.
With this deep wisdom, he wasthe frontman, writer and
producer of the futuristic indiealternative pop rock band Coast
Modern, which did five nationaltours, half a billion streams.
A huge fan of nature anddefines everything as being
natural and miraculous.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And of course his accolades go far beyond that.
But, as typical high performersgo, there is a beautiful,
authentic humility to Colemanand his focus is not on his
achievements of the past but, onwhat he's currently
passionately involved in in thepresent.
So grateful to have you on,coleman.
(01:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I'm grateful to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Awesome.
So you know we can go manydifferent ways in this
conversation because you're somulti talented, so tapped in
with your musical backgrounds,with your interest in AI and
futuristic technologies.
Where do you want to start,coleman?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
That's a good question.
I kind of circle back to whatthe purpose of art is
traditionally.
Why were artists necessary?
Why did Da Vinci get so muchresource from the state and that
drive to find solutions,inventive things?
That was an artistic drive atone point.
(02:09):
It wasn't just about selfexpression, you know, and so my
interest in technology of thefuture also connects to my
respect for the deep thinkers ofthe past as well.
I just love dipping intoancient language, ancient
thought, and if time is morecircular than we think it is,
(02:34):
then a lot of the answers tofuture technology will be
encoded in the past.
Try and take that holisticapproach.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Amazing.
Yeah, I love that you mentionedLeonardo da Vinci, because many
people know him as the artist,but he's also a mathematician
and inventor and really balancedin his left and right brain.
Genius is what I would say.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I would say he was much more of a scientist.
He only did 10 paintings.
He would get an atronage andthen not even finished paintings
, because what he wanted to dois study nature.
He would just sit and stare atwater at ease in the way smoke
moved, in the way light playedagainst walls, and he had such a
deep understanding of naturethat art flowed out of that.
It was an overflowing of hisunderstanding of nature.
(03:24):
Yeah, when a lot of modernartists will only focus on art
and then they're trying tosqueeze water out of a rock.
Because what does art flow outof?
Yeah, da Vinci is a greatexample.
He's the OG, the goat.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
What you can tell right away is the depth of
Coleman's perspective, that heuses art and other modalities
like technology to be anexpression of and we talk all
around consciousness and beingat the forefront of emerging
consciousness, emergingtechnologies.
And Coleman, just in the firstquestion, he just brought in all
(04:02):
of history and all of nature inyour consideration.
I think that's amazing, thankyou.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, it really ties into what you said about not
believing so much inspirituality we were talking
offline about that but about hownature and everything is just
natural.
It just is.
It's a creation ofconsciousness, for sure.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Yeah, I think it's resourceful not to separate the
world into material when that'sreally a perspective.
The universe is miraculous.
It just depends on yourthreshold for the miraculous
right.
It's like something awesomehappens to you.
You feel great that day andthen the next day the threshold
has risen back up and thingsthat wonderful to you aren't
(04:52):
wonderful anymore Maybe not toy'all, but to a lot of people.
And yeah, that's how I look atit.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Were you always this contemplative as a child and
growing up?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Yes, as a small child .
But yeah, I had a rough go ofit just with you know education
system, my way of thinkingfitting into that, and I kind of
lost touch with who I was fromthe ages of maybe nine to all
(05:24):
the way through high school.
I was always in thedisciplinarians office, that
curious mind I have.
It didn't do great in theclassroom, like I would be up
out of my seat walking aroundtalking to the kids and I always
had good relationships with theteachers, but it was like
you're not going with theprogram.
So I really muted that.
I really muted it and it wasn't.
(05:48):
Yeah, and I got into someaddictions.
I became very addicted tosubstances and activities that
made me feel at peace on earth.
Because I was not at peace, Iwasn't at peace in my own skin.
Yeah, I had lost touch withreality.
25 or 26,.
(06:08):
I had a series of breakthroughs.
It was grace, it was fortune.
They kind of woke me back up tothis curiosity, this
mindfulness, and, yeah, now Ijust hold on to it as tight as I
can because I don't want to goback to a state that's
disconnected and I want to helpanybody who I can to get out of
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a disconnected state.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Wow, there's so much there in what you just said.
You describe yourself as thatdisruptive youth not fitting
into the mold of society, and Ithink you use the words going
against the program, that youweren't in the program.
A lot of times people fall toaddictions because they want to
get out of a program and seesomething else, see the other
(06:55):
side, and I'm curious, afteryour experiences with that, what
were some of those awakeningmoments that brought you back,
that made you feel thatconnectedness that you're just
talking about, how it's like ithappens from disconnection?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah.
So it was a number of things atonce.
One of them was a relationshipwhere I felt love for the first
time, and it wasn't how Iexpected.
It didn't come from the place Iexpected it to.
So that care that my partnerhad for me started to loosen up
(07:30):
some of my beliefs.
It's interesting because evenin my darkest times, I had this
like intuition about the distantfuture that I would be okay,
like this little light at theend of the tunnel.
But it was so faint, and so thisrelationship really started to
light that up.
I joined an accountability teamwhere individuals would hold me
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accountable to commitments Imade, which was very resourceful
for me.
I discovered vipassanameditation through a book called
Mindfulness in Plain English.
That had a huge effect on me,and around that time I signed a
record deal and so that kind ofwent against my narratives Right
, and so growing up I didn'tknow anybody in the music
industry, and so I was alwayslike how am I going to make it
(08:15):
in the super competitiveindustry?
Around 27, when I signed myfirst record deal, I had been
trying to make it in the musicindustry for a decade at that
point, and so that challenged mynarrative of like, oh, I'm just
going to be one of the manyunknown musicians.
Those are a few things thatjust kind of all happened around
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the same time.
That started this momentumtowards rewriting the program.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
How did that happen?
That opportunity that cameafter 10 years of wanting to
make it in the music industry.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
So I was already working with people who were
successful in the music industryat this point and they were
like, just wait, like you'regoing to be okay, just be
patient.
But I was working for free, Iwas making EPs and producing
people for free and I gave up.
I moved to Denver.
I just wanted to be regular.
I worked at a music store, in achicken wing restaurant.
(09:09):
Then I got an email from mywriting partner and he said hey,
there's a record label thatwants to sign us and it's
interesting.
We put our music online, notfor anybody to discover, but so
that if, like a producer on a TVshow, you know, like pitching
music for sync and TV, like sowe would have a link for them to
(09:30):
click.
And the person from the recordlabel who found the music said
that the graphic design was sobad that they knew that hiding.
They knew that.
Yeah, that's how that happened.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Wow, it was so cool.
I didn't know that was thething.
The graphic design has to be sobad, like oh, they're hiding
their genius, or it looksamazing.
They must be like polished andready or something.
Two extremes, very cool.
Wow, I didn't know that story.
I know Clifton and I knowColeman for a few years now and
(10:08):
we don't know a lot of yourstories and I'm excited that you
get to share them here.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Thank you, you too.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, and I just want to present the pace and energy
of this episode and pause for amoment and reflect that.
Our listeners know thatVictoria and I are projectors
and Coleman also is a projector.
So one of the things we like topresent to our listeners is
just getting that understanding,that natural ability to sense
(10:38):
what kind of energy certainpeople have.
Some of our previous guestswere manifesting generators or
generators.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Jen was a projector.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yes, Jen was a projector.
So, just that the depth of whathappens when you have three
projectors come together to talkabout very broad topics such as
art and creation, and so we'regoing to dive a little deeper in
that, and then we're going tohopefully keep you all engaged
with some specific questionsaround what Coleman is working
(11:10):
on.
Now to dive deep into today'stopic, coleman, what was the
aspect or area that you wantedto explore?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
One thing that's been inspiring me a lot is the
conversation about addiction,because it connects to so many
other things.
It connects to feeling like youbelong here, being at peace in
your skin, being productive,living in your purpose.
Over the last year I've gottento spend a lot of time
counseling and facilitatinggroup discussion and rehab
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centers and have gotten a lot ofperspective from that and also
with my past.
I have an addictive personality, I'm very impulsive, so it's a
topic that's dear to my heart.
Yeah, I feel like that'sresourceful topic because we're
all addicted to something.
I don't know if I can say thatbroadly, but maybe I can.
(12:09):
Maybe there's always somethingthat we can loosen the bonds of
and be more productive, happier.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So and addiction is such a broad topic.
It's not just substances.
People can be addicted to it's.
I think you mentioned, when wewere talking before Coleman,
that fasting is something youcan be addicted to.
You can be addicted to even asurge of chemicals in the body,
because what does that addictiondo for people that hit of a
(12:39):
substance or whatever the actionis that someone is addicted to,
there's a surge of chemicalssurging through the body,
neurotransmitters, dopamine andserotonin.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
So you can be addicted to emotions.
You can be addicted to going tothe gym.
Yeah, all different forms ofaddiction, and I think one of
the powerful aspects of thisconversation, coleman, is your
unique perspective of goingthrough it yourself and then
also helping others, and I'dlove to explore that.
What are some experiencesyou've had directly that you see
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in others, that you're able torelate to them or see yourself
in them?
How do you help an individualor how do you show up to be of
help and to be of service forthem?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
That's a good question.
I lucked out that I was notexposed to hard drugs, because
if I had been exposed to harddrugs, my life would have been
very different.
And when I say hard drugs, Imean the hardest of drugs, not
like party drugs that you canget in LA, but the hardest of
drugs are the kinds of thingsthat are at these rehab centers.
People are dropping like fliesfrom fin all they say.
(13:52):
It's the equivalent of like a747 every day, papal passing.
And so how I relate to them iswith humility, because I have
not had the depth of experiencethat they've had.
Some of the people in thesefacilities have been using since
childhood because their familydealers the families were
cooking it up and they don'tknow any different right.
(14:14):
It's like somebody could be auser and their parents be
disappointed in them.
That's one story, but anotherstory is their parents are
enabling them and that's whatyour family does and that's what
your whole city does.
And rehabs are making money offof addiction.
Pharmaceutical companies aremaking money off of addiction.
Justice department is makingmoney off of addiction.
Cartels are making money off ofaddiction.
(14:36):
So it's not even just aconversation about the
substances, it's a conversationabout powers, authorities, like
entire organizations.
If people can manifest, arethere corporations and companies
and whole parts of society thatare manifesting this epidemic?
So it's deep.
When I'm in there I'm like Ihave insight for these
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individuals because I've foundfreedom and because I know that
they can have freedom, but I'mgrateful that I haven't
experienced the depth ofaddiction that they have.
At the same time.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Wow, do most of the people that you work with know
what you just shared about thevarious industries like pharma
and cartels and all thestakeholders that benefit from
this kind of economy?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I bring it up sometimes, depending on the
group, because it's important.
There's a lot ofself-deprecation, beating
yourself up for relapsing andstuff, but that's still like the
thing that keeps the addictionin play is that isolation.
I think the conversation ofaddiction and energy efficiency
are very closely related, andyour energy efficiency goes up
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when you start collaboratingwith people and creating
networks, and so that's whynetworking is such a big part of
recovery.
Like AA is an amazingorganization, because AA there's
no governing authority.
It's all these little satellitegroups and they've perpetuated
for decades.
That's pretty awesome.
(16:15):
It means they're doingsomething right.
People are in recovery as ateam and then they relapse solo
and beat themselves up about it.
I'm like you have to keep intoconsideration the number of
people who want to keep thosepeople addicted.
It's a real thing.
It's a huge network.
I mean I said it earlier eventhe rehab center that they're in
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is profiting off of it.
I know certain rehab centersare incentivized to put people
on prescriptions like Suboxoneblocks, opioid receptors, and
they'll push this on somebodywho's not even addicted to
opioids.
I've seen clients get reallyangry about that, like you
brought me in here and tried toput me on an opioid suppressant
(16:57):
which could have gotten meaddicted to opiates, and I
didn't even come in for opiates.
So and these are even thebetter of rehab centers there's
certain rehabs that don't evenexist.
They pay you to come out andthey give you drugs just to say
that you're in recovery.
Yeah, it's a big thing.
The other thing about relapsewhich is sad is people feel like
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they're starting over, likethey're starting from zero.
They just lost all theirprogress, not realizing that
every moment you have sober,you're building those neural
pathways.
One relapse is not gonna undoall that.
So all that to say.
Your question was do I bring upthis bigger picture about
recovery?
Sometimes I do, depending onyour posture.
(17:39):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I haven't actually thought about that other layer
that you just mentioned, abouthow they profit off of the
solution as well.
So the economy as a wholeprofits from the problem and
then you're giving them thesolution, which also puts money
back into those industries.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, including prison, all that.
Those are private as well.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, I knew about the prison system, but about the
rehab system.
I haven't gone there yet, Ihaven't gone to that narrative
yet.
So I appreciate that.
Of course.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, and it's very interesting that we're talking
about addiction, because we'vehad two other guests whose
parents actually had addictionissues.
So if you haven't checked outour episode with Frank Waters or
with Ellie Rollins, they bothgrew up in households or single
mother households where therewas addiction and hearing their
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stories of how they were able tomove through that and create
their life of joy and whatthey're creating.
And so how do you?
Obviously there are thesenarratives of the money making
industries, but how do youobserve beneficial intentions of
these places?
If we could talk about that fora second.
(19:00):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, I mean it's a mixed bag.
You definitely hear firsthandfrom the clients that there are
people at the decenters thatthey are really grateful for.
They're definitely pushing,Pushing the needle.
I don't know if rehab is thesolution, though.
I don't know if that's thein-game.
I don't know if that is thefuture of recovery.
(19:26):
I think that there's cure onthe horizon.
I think that there's a paradigmshift that could make addiction
of that degree of hard drugs athing of the past.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I'd love to talk aboutthat more, Coleman, and I love
what you said earlier aboutbuilding new neural pathways.
Every time somebody has astreak of sobriety and then they
relapse.
So they might be in thatthinking, feeling loop of shame
or guilt that comes up forhaving done that, but then, as
they're breaking through thatsite, they're still building the
(20:01):
neural pathways of like, hey, Idid this for 75 days last time,
Next time I can do this for 180days.
Right, and what is kind of thatcore root pattern and I'm sure
many people have different onesof why people would want to be
addicted to something and what'sthat thing that you see that
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they actually want, that theythink that addiction provides
them?
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
That's totally so.
I think what people want is tobe lit up.
I think they want to beelectrified.
Mm-hmm.
I think that, and you know,this is just my belief.
It's not capital T, true, but Ithink that the human is
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designed with seven distinctenergy centers that have a
unique type of energy, rightLike you wouldn't put raw petrol
in a Lamborghini.
So it's not just about energy,it's about the type of energy.
Mm-hmm.
And I think that's reallyimportant.
I think that's a distinctionthat people miss because, let's
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say, your Lamborghini breaksdown.
Okay, this is a very, veryfine-tuned machine, okay, but
you might find yourself pushingit if it breaks down, which is
still an energy source.
It's just a very crude energysource compared to what the
Lamborghini is meant for.
So, when acute trauma takesplace to the human species, I'm
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trying to use, like technical, aperson, a people, their ideal
energy source.
They might not have access toit, so they might have to push
it, and I think that could startwith a shot of tequila and turn
into heroin over the course ofa decade.
(21:56):
It could also be seekingflattery.
It could be going to websitesthat don't support your
relationships.
There's all kinds of ways thatpeople could try and fuel their
Lamborghini, which is their body, and I think that's a good
analogy, because the human being, the design of the human being,
is just miraculous.
(22:16):
It's like one of the mostintricate things on the whole
planet.
Your ability to access energyhas to do with your models,
models of the world, if youbelieve that you can tap into,
like capital E energy source,energy that's going to change
the way you live.
It's going to change the wayyou seek energy right, and each
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one of these seven centers thatI'm talking about, that distinct
flavor of energy likeself-expression, creativity,
forgiveness, empowerment,connection to the divine wisdom,
knowledge, intimacy,groundedness, those pure sources
of energy have their flip side.
So I need your help, becausethat was a lot of info.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
That's beautiful, coleman, and we're tracking with
you because we've studied theworks of people like Dr Joe
Dispenza, who has practices ofblessing in the energy centers,
which are each one of the sevencenters that some people call
chakras.
He uses just the organ centersand the culmination of a lot of
the fascia and nervous systemthroughout the body.
(23:24):
What are you seeing in terms ofthe depletion or what these
individuals who have addictions,what are they short of?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
It's the opposite.
I think that they have asurplus.
I think that they're people whoare born with the ability to
channel more energy.
That doesn't mean better, it'sjust more.
And so I think they desire moreextreme situations, right?
Like when I would get high.
I only wanted to get so high.
(23:57):
I could get too high and belike, wow, that was a little
intense, right?
These people, they want more,they want to go faster, they
want to feel more intense, right?
So they have a higher thresholdand it has to do with their
purpose.
It also has to do with theirindividual design, right?
If you're a child who's bornwith extra intuition, extra
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energy, extra libido, then ifyou have a trauma that shuts
that down, to feel normal,you're going to need more than
someone else, right?
Someone else who sufferedtrauma.
They might just need a supportgroup and they're fine.
They might not go for more,some of these more intense
things that make them feel likethey're flying a thousand miles
an hour through space.
(24:39):
So if I do a group meditationwith people who are not in
recovery, just regular folks,the energy reaches a certain
intensity, right.
If you do that same meditationwith people in recovery, it will
feel like the walls are goingto blow off, wow, in that room,
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and that was somethingenlightening for me.
Let's say, you took a bunch ofpeople in recovery.
If they had victory right, ifthey had success, the world
would change.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Hold on right there, coleman, because you're laying
gems one sentence after theother.
So just to present it, you'resaying that when you do group
meditations it feelselectrifying because these are
individuals who have a highercapacity to connect to this kind
of energy.
That's your direct experience.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, you're going to get amplitude.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
right yeah, Not quality, but amplitude.
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Amplitude, wow, okay, and so we also talked about
societal design and your ownself in school, where the
education system is waking up toit.
Sitting in a chair for a childfor six hours a day is not
healthy, right?
So is there some aspect ofsocietal design that can support
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these higher amplitudeindividuals?
To achieve that level offulfillment or connection.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Absolutely.
I think the answer is societal.
I think when society makes roomfor these kind of people, so
like, let's say, your heartcenter, your heart chakra, let's
say that your heart has eyesokay, and just like, eyes can
open to light, that's energyentering okay.
So let's say, your eyes areopening to the light when you
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wake up in the morning and thelight is bright, you don't want
to open your eyes all the way,right, because it hurts.
I think this is exactly whatanxiety is it's the eyes of the
heart that are trying to open up, but the light is painful.
So if I had a high amplitudeenergy coming out of my heart
okay, and you did not want yourheart to be opened because it
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hurt too bad, someone told youit was anxiety and said you
weren't supposed to feel thatway, right, you might push me
away, you might discredit me,you might create a legislature
that keeps me in the dark.
So I think that's exactly whatthis is.
I think society is not ready tobe activated in this way, so the
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people who could activate themare put in.
A lot of this is subconscious.
Almost everything I'm talkingabout is subconscious If you're
talking about just a regularperson and there are seven
energy centers.
Like Clifton was talking aboutsociety more in general, every
one of these seven is being fedby some kind of subpar energy
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source.
That is the global economy.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Hold on right there.
That's another statement andit's beautiful diving into these
and we're going to keep gettinga little bit deeper for a few
more minutes, folks, so staywith us, but we're tracking with
you, coleman.
So can you explain or giveexamples of what you mean by
subpar energy source for eachone of these seven energy
centers.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
So if you could sit and pull in energy into these
centers just by being, just bysitting there and being, that
would be ideal.
It might not just be meditation.
There could be somethingfuturistic that we haven't
tapped into, or something reallyawesome is entering into these
centers.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Like a futuristic passion technology Coleman's
talking about here.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I've experienced this firsthand and it's wonderful.
Sometimes it feels like drugs,but not always, but sometimes it
does.
So.
Food is solar power.
On a scientific level, that'swhat it is.
Solar energy hits the earthbecause of the second law of
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thermodynamics, actually, let mesay, because nature abhors a
gradient.
It means that this is like andI'm going to connect this to
your question, I'm going to makeit simple Energy can't just
collect somewhere.
The universe, based onthermodynamics, wants to
equalize energy.
It wants to make a homogenousright.
So solar energy is beating theearth.
(29:10):
It needs to be expressed insome way, and it's expressed as
plant matter, it's expressed asanimals, it's expressed as
ecosystems right, wow, that'sdeep.
Yeah, fruit is the fruit ofthat ecosystem, the food we eat,
and some people eat animals,and those animals ate plants.
What about?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
lab made food chemical food?
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Well, it comes from solar Everything we have on this
planet.
All the petrol that makes thatlaboratory came from plants that
were buried for millions ofyears.
Everything comes from solarenergy.
When you're consuming food, youare desiring solar energy, so
when you are hungry, you feel itin your solar plexus.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Oh, I need it.
Are there thought leaders outhere that you're pulling this
from?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
There's a book called Into the Cool, there's a book
called Every Life is on Fire,and there's a book called the
Romance of Reality.
These are three books about hownon-equilibrium thermodynamics
create all this.
Wow.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I just want to present that this is deeply
researched by Coleman.
It's not just pontificating,he's done his research and he
goes deep.
He spends years and hoursdiving into the weeds of the
science, of the mathematicsbehind it.
He does that for listeners,that what he's saying.
There's a whole body of workthat you can explore just to
establish a little bit ofcredibility of where you're
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coming from.
So he said the solar plexus.
Yeah, you want solar energy.
So you feel it in your solarplexus.
Non-equilibrium thermodynamicsexpressed through your own
experience of hunger in thesolar plexus.
I think that's a powerfulconsolidation of macro thinking
and existential observationembodied into the human vehicle.
(31:02):
So I just want to say that wasawesome.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Thank you.
You could take any product andfind which one of the seven
centers it's feeding right.
Wikipedia feeding your brain.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Agena, the sixth center, which a lot of religion
does too People will want toknow.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, so what was the term you used, victoria?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh, agena, the sixth chakra, that's like the third
eye between the brows, that'sthe head spot where, when we're
a very intellectualized society,that's where we're very
dominant, the human species, aswe've been talking about, used
to have more of a sloped brain,or what do you call it skull,
because the prefrontal cortexhadn't yet developed when we
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were Neanderthals and otheriterations before we became Homo
sapiens.
And now humans have this morestraight forehead because of
that development of theprefrontal cortex.
So it's a very developed sixthchakra, agena, and you're saying
that religion also influencesit, which, in my experience of
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diving into spirituality andconsciousness, is true.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
And as a society, they push certain societal
religions right Are we talkingabout human evolution here
through the lens of drugrehabilitated individuals who
have a high amplitude of energycapacity.
Is that where we're going withthis?
Because it sounds like that'swhere we're going with this.
Are you saying that people inrehab centers might hold keys to
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our evolution?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, I think they're the mutants.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
X-Men yeah.
Wow.
So what is that paradigm shiftthat you were talking about
earlier, how there will be atime when there's no drugs and
substances or addictions?
What does that paradigm shiftlook like then?
Do we have higher access tothese energy centers and that
energy with a capital E that youwere talking about?
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And what is that energy?
Is it source, is it love?
Is it connectedness?
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Yeah, what is that energy?
It's a good question.
Energy, you know, it's like awave is not a thing.
A wave is something thatsomething does, like water waves
, hand waves.
But what is a wave?
It's like an attribute more thanit's a noun, and I think both
think about energy like a noun,when I think this only makes
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sense when you look at it as anattribute.
Right?
Energy is the.
It's a disparity between twothings.
Right, it's like water flowsdown and so, yeah, when you ask
me, what is this fuel source?
It's just the movement.
It's the movement of nature andthere's ways that nature
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prefers to move.
There's a dance that it prefersto do, and if things within the
universe are not doing thatdance, then they'll be dissolved
, and that can be takennegatively or positively, right?
I don't know if you've seen theYouTube videos where people
will have like 20 metronomes allticking out of order with each
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other and they'll all startgoing at the same speed.
Yeah, or you could even look atthe sides of a river how
they're eroded.
It's like that's changed.
You could see it as the death,but you could also see it as
birth at the same time, and,yeah, so I wouldn't use another
term to describe the energy.
Like love, I feel like you know, it might be a whole other
conversation about words and thepower of words and how words
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have been co-opted, but love isdefinitely a difficult one.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
What I'm getting from what you're sharing, coleman,
which is awesome, is that it'salmost to me how I'm
interpreting what you say, asthese individuals in rehab
centers hold keys to theevolution of our society because
they have a greater capacity,or a greater ability to create
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an amplitude, or capacity for ahigher amplitude in one of the
seven energy centers that theywere unable to receive
sustenance from society.
So they turn to drug use andaddiction, and so if we wanted
to understand the naturalevolution of where society would
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move towards a greater state ofequilibrium, it would be to
actually understand theindividuals and their stories
and what would bring them intoequilibrium and then extrapolate
that to a societal construct.
So I'm really fascinated by whatyou also shared about the.
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There might be some futuristictechnology that could help
either align these individualsor provide that sustenance that
they're craving or they'reasking for.
Do you have any insights orareas how that futuristic
technology might come about, orare you just holding space for
(36:10):
it or yet?
Where are you in that?
Because I want to move nowtowards, you know, from
addiction to the conversation oftechnology and music, and what
you're currently passionateabout and I wanted to stop real
quick on this one that I'mreally passionate to explore is
that notion of a futuristictechnology that you discussed.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
For sure.
Yeah, just to clarify, I don'tthink it's one of the centers, I
think it's all of them.
Yeah, maybe people are giftedin one center, but I don't know.
I think ideally we'd be likefiring on all cylinders.
As far as the futuristictechnology, it's more of a
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software than a hardware.
I don't think that it's likebuilding something.
I think it's about operatingsomething.
I think that whatever we are,we just have no idea.
We have no idea what humans areor what our purpose is, and so
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I think that there's a softwareupgrade that would convert.
Yeah, it's almost like if thatLambo was running off of
gasoline for the last couplehundred years, but whoever
invented that Lambo gave it theability to have a software
update that would allow it torun off of electricity.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Okay, so it's software for the human Right
You're talking about.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Okay, yeah, that would basically reveal just an
entirely new dimension of whatit means to be in a body on
Earth as a human.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Like activating human potential.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Yeah, and it's the paradigm shift that I'm not just
talking about like an emotionalshift.
You know more positive.
I'm talking about somethingthat would have an effect on the
whole planet plants and animals, ecosystems and society and
might have consequences that areon a different time scale than
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we think about, like that mightstretch outside of the time
scale of a single human life.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Wow, that's a mouthful Okay.
So, victoria, what did you getfrom that?
And thank you, coleman, thatwas awesome.
So I just want to take a moment, because a lot of the wisdom
that you talk about, coleman, isfrom your thousands of hours of
research and your in-depthintellect, and it might take a
bit of time to digest theprofoundness of what you say.
(38:49):
So, victoria, what did youcatch on that?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
one Coleman's from the future.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
It might also be the past, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
But it's informed by the wisdom of the past, as you
mentioned before, I think, sometechnologies you're almost
talking about.
Upgrading the human into alight body is kind of how I was
interpreting it.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, I was kind of getting that like the Buddhist
light body activation or therainbow body.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
That's how we are.
So that's why it's a softwareupdate.
It's not like, yeah, andthere's a roadmap to it.
And the fact that you even usethe term rainbow body is perfect
, because, like that's, I knowthat rainbow body idea is not a
one-to-one relationship withwhat I'm about to say, but that
is what the system of seven is.
It is like that Rainbow body.
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Did you have more that you weregoing to say Clifton?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I was just going to say that, combining it, we also
have our quantum doc, who we'veinterviewed and we certainly do
for another interview with him.
He also talks about updatingthe hardware and how imagine you
had your first Windows 95.
Try to run the most up-to-dateversion of Windows 11 or
(40:09):
whatever it's at now.
The hardware can't handle thatsoftware.
So for some people and a lot ofthe high performers that we're
working with, we're seeing thatthey need to upgrade their
hardware, that being theirnervous system, their reflexes,
their capacity to hold theenergy.
And what you're sharing is thatthe people that you've observed
(40:34):
in rehab centers have theupgraded hardware and they need
the upgraded software, and so Ithink it's a really cool
combination that's tied into aconcept like the rainbow body,
to have a loose approximation ofwhat we're discussing.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
What you just said helped me clarify a couple
things that I'll speak out nowif it's a good time.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, please.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
So I don't know that the people in the rehab have the
hardware.
I think it's more like theblueprint or a purpose.
I think it's more in theirpurpose.
Because here's the thing whenyou talk about upgrading your
hardware, it's like what part ofyou is upgrading your hardware.
We like to think of ourselvesas individuals, but on almost
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every level we're made of parts,like 38 trillion cells, all of
our ancestors, our community,our different body parts, the
different ways we think aboutourselves from day to day,
different thoughts.
So it's like you can upgradeyour software in one part of
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your body, like your brain, onepart of your brain.
You could upgrade the softwareof one part of your brain and
that upgraded software in onepart of your brain can start to
do things that will upgrade thehardware in another part of your
brain, right?
So the hardware would be likethe neural pathways.
The software is like symbolism,it's like code.
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It's different, doesn't havethe same type of physical
manifestation, right?
So I could say something to youoh, speed on ton logo, on
speedy.
I could speak life into you,right?
Something I could inspire youin some kind of way.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
What did you just say ?
How did you just inspire us,Coleman?
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, my crown is like vibrating, my skull like
Brrr, brrr, brrr.
I don't even know what you said.
What did you say?
Speaker 4 (42:35):
I said the so or so with the word.
It has to do with programmingright Programming planning seeds
.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Coleman, you're the first person that had me
fascinated with etymology ofwords.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
I love that.
Etymology is important.
So let's say there's a part ofyour brain that's like soil,
that's ready, okay.
That means the hardware's ready, right, the soil is ready, okay
.
So when someone inspires you,it takes root.
So that means that part of yourhardware just got a software
upgrade, okay.
And because that happened, youmight realize oh, another part
(43:11):
of my hardware, this otherneural pathway, right, that
applies to the body, because youhave neurons through your whole
body.
It's like your vagus nerveneeds to be toned, your gut
lining needs to be healed, yourfashion is connected.
So it's both.
It's a hardware, it's softwarethat's updating hardware, that's
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telling the body where there'sother hardware.
You know what I mean.
It's like it's this wholeconversation that's happening
internally and I think, yeah,with addiction it's like a
hardware thing.
There's nervous issues, there'sneural pathway issues, there's
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fascial issues and it becomescompounded and so the basics are
a big part of recovery.
Like, what gives people a lotof progress is body work and
Asian and hypnotherapy and icebaths and NAD, neural feedback,
right.
That's getting the hardwarethere and you have to have the
software coming at the same timeof like hey, I love you, you're
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worth it, you belong here, youhave a purpose.
If those two things are in lineand people in rehab are the
edge case because they're ondrugs that are incredibly
addictive, I think you feelincredibly energized.
But this applies to everybody,and until yeah, legislators,
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ceos, taste makers, when yourhardware is upgraded, it feels
like dying.
It's the same feeling Becausesomething is dying.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I felt that.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
So the world will resist it with all of their ego,
because the ego has a purpose.
It's an evolutionary purpose tokeep you alive, right, it's
like you can't push it downforever.
You just have to replace itwith something with just a
bigger commitment.
So this is complicated, yeah,and it's something that we're
moving towards.
Like nature is doing this workthat I'm talking about, this
(45:24):
futuristic technology, is anatural thing.
What were you gonna say,victoria?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Oh, I was gonna say the new hardware update that we
were talking about.
The new neural pathway is beingthat identity, because Clifton
and I talk a lot about identitywork, the identity of a person
who doesn't have that addiction,and how a part of them is dying
off because it's a part of themthat associates existence with
this thing that's been like thebane of their existence.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, what you're talking about.
It brings that up, victoria andme as well.
With our clients, we talk aboutidentity design and redesign as
the pathway towards takingquantum leaps in your own
reality, and so we deal on thedaily basis with ego's egoic
self-defense mechanisms of highperformers and be able to
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understand how to help them.
That software is reallyimportant.
And there's also this corereflex that I didn't have
integrated, that the quantumdoctor, dr Brian, helped us with
called the MoroReflex, which isthe fight or flight reflex, and
so I couldn't actually handleany form of upgrades of
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heightened energy and Cliftonchannels.
Of actually changing my egobecause, I would run away from
it and I would do everything inmy power because I didn't have
the capacity to experience thatkind of a transformation.
I couldn't contain it within mybody.
And so.
I would rather physically diethan to actually go through that
(47:08):
.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, the addiction Clifton and I see the most often
is addiction to the current egoin our work, which the ego can
express itself in many differentways and have non-beneficial
patterns and certain patternsthat got them to a place of
success that they're at, thatultimately might be crippling to
get to the next level of wherethey wanna go next.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
For sure, right.
And there's traditionally beenso much talk about suppressing
the ego.
It's funny, the people who talkthe most about not having ego.
Well, I'm not gonna say what Iwas about to say.
I'll save that.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
But so here's what I did when I went through my
awakening and channeling andaccessing the Akashic record and
getting to no thoughts persecond is.
I started just observingreality and essentially removed
the idea of an ego within me,and what happened was I could
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not exist in this realitywithout an ego, so people would
be projecting and defining whatmy ego was whether or not, I was
conscious and creating it, Iwas receiving it, and a lot of
unconscious people myself beforethat.
that is who I am.
I'm defined by others, I'mdefined by society.
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I'm defined by parentsprogramming things of that
nature.
The illusion of the media thatyou're so fully aware of and so
here I was consciously aware nowof what was happening was I was
being imprinted with aparticular ego, and so the work
that we do, then, that so manyothers do, is to consciously
(48:55):
create an ego and to work withthe idea of an ego to operate in
a different way in this reality.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
I hear that I hear that I yeah, that's awesome.
I think that's like theconversation right now.
I hope yeah, because for thelast 20 or so years it seems
like spiritual conversationshave been about you know, the
ego is not your amigo, but Inever heard anyone say that
(49:24):
before.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I like it, it seems really obvious but really clever
, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
But if the ego is a.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
You come up with that .
I like it.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
No, no, I didn't.
That was over the desk of agentleman who was a program
director at one of the firstrehabs I worked at.
Oh, got you.
So the ego is survival, right,it's how you survive, right, If
a bear's coming out of the woodsto maul you, you have to say,
oh, hell, no, it's like I have aright to survive, so it has a
purpose, right.
(49:53):
And then it's like we have theability to commit, we have the
ability to make plans, we havethe ability to be disciplined,
which is like the remedy againstthat, because it's not that
temporal thing of, oh, there's abear coming out of the woods,
or oh, I need food for today.
It's like what do I want theworld to look like in 50 years?
Right, so it's not like yourego isn't there, it's just that
(50:16):
you're changing the time scaleand so you see people right now
pushing their ego into savingthe planet.
Right, it's like people getvery egoic in that.
But it's like, as you all aretalking, I'm thinking like maybe
that's where the ego belongsright now is like, can we like
what is the ego of mother nature?
It is, I mean, I don't knowthat the earth is at risk right
(50:39):
now it seems like there's a lotof evidence that it is and a lot
of people saying it is.
From my finite perspective, Ican't necessarily say for sure
that it's at risk, but if it is,then does the earth?
Do we need to project our egoonto the earth?
Speaker 2 (50:53):
And so, coleman, absolutely, as you're talking
about this, where I'm at rightnow, which you just inspired, is
that we think in stories, right, our and this is gonna talk
about language, our Englishlanguage has subjects, or
subject verb, object, I thinkright, and the I, the physical
body, your soul's experience,has to have a subject to it, and
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therefore it's part of theecosystem of observing the human
experience, and so it needs tohave some definition of itself
in order to engage in thisreality.
So the ego is the thing that ispart of the stories that you're
telling yourself and that thepart of you that engages in
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other stories Without that, thenthe story of who you are or
what you're doing, or the moneyin your bank account, or the
relationship you have.
You need some form of thatsubject to interact with.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
But what is something outside of relationship?
You can't know everythingwithout knowing what it is
related to something.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Exactly, and so you have to have that concept at
least based on the Englishlanguage, and that's where I'm
going is.
I know, victoria, you're verygifted in Russian as well, and I
wanna explore real quicklylinguistics, because I know,
coleman, you've really studied alot of Hebrew and linguistics
(52:23):
and just how language structuresare, our own interpretation of
reality.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
Yeah, it's a big thing.
Yeah, I'll dive into that realquick.
I just want to say that theconversation about addiction
also connected to theconversation about cancer, and
it's interesting because theseare huge issues.
But a cell, when it doesn't knowits place in relationship to
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the rest of the body, startslooking for cheaper energy
sources.
Instead of getting that bodyenergy, it starts to consume
sugar, cheaper sources at ahigher rate, and starts
reproducing really quickly outof fear and doesn't want to die,
right, because it's a f***ingdeath.
So, linguistics, there's a lotof different ways I can crack
(53:16):
that egg.
So there's this idea that onthe surface of a black hole, a
black hole has a ton ofinformation inside of it,
basically everything that ablack hole consumes.
That information is inside ofthe black hole.
There's this idea thatinformation is lost slowly over
time by hawking radiation.
But generally speaking, a blackhole has a ton of information
(53:42):
inside of it.
Okay, there's an idea that inphysics.
There's an idea in physics thaton the boundary of the black
hole, just the surface alone,all of the information from
within the black hole can beencoded.
So that idea is basically thatyou can take information from a
higher dimension and encode itonto a lower dimension.
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Right, if you're playing avideo game, right, all that
information about the space ofthe game, the storyline, the
time, the colors, all of it.
Right, you could have VR on andbe immersed in this 3D temporal
experience.
All of that information can beencoded in a lower dimension,
which we call a computer program.
(54:26):
You can look at a computerprogram like a wall of text, but
programmers know that thoseline breaks don't have to be
there.
That's just to help you read it.
A program is really one longsentence.
Okay, so that's basicallytaking something that's two
dimensional and bringing it toone dimensional.
You could take each one ofthose characters and turn it
into just an amplitude right,and then you could take that
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amplitude and instead of makingit a line, you could make it
static and just changing overtime color and amplitude, and
you could have all of theinformation from a video game
inside this one blinking light,where amplitude is one dimension
, frequencies another dimension.
So basically there's this ruleof nature.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Hold on, can we take a breath?
You just basically explainingthe matrix and how reality works
.
Okay, I think I got it,victoria, you good.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
I'm like Coleman.
Do you see this happening, likeyou mentioned earlier,
observing nature and howLeonardo da Vinci observed
nature.
Is this something that you seeas well in day to day reality?
Speaker 4 (55:33):
It depends.
It depends on what kind ofstate of mind I'm in.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
So the answer is yes.
Sometimes yeah, okay, wow.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
So Coleman's mind is fascinating and I want to see
reality through his lens.
Is what I'm thinking.
Speaker 4 (55:46):
I love that.
Thank you, same to you.
The point that I'm making,though, is that it's dimensional
compression right.
Information from higherdimensions can be encoded into
lower dimensions.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, and what you were saying earlier about.
I don't know if you're done yet,but I wanted to chime in about
how we were talking about thatsixth chakra, the asana.
That's like the pineal glandand it's the transducer or the
interpreter of information thatgoes from the higher dimensions
into this dimension.
And when we download thesoftware upgrades that you were
(56:16):
talking about, clifton, and Irefer to them as quantum packets
, like it's a piece ofinformation encoded into a
little like thought bubblepacket we can't see, we pick it
up by our transducer, the pinealgland, and then interpret the
information in whatever extrasensory intuitive gift that is
(56:36):
the highest functioning for us.
So, like Claire audience,hearing the information, claire
cognizance, which is knowingnessof what that information is
Claire voyance, seeing something, claire sentience, feeling it
somewhere in your body.
So interpreting and interactingwith those higher dimensions is
happening all the time.
Speaker 4 (56:59):
I love that and, for the sake of this illustration,
the term dimension is even morebasic, right?
It's like if you look at apainting where someone has depth
, has placed depth into thepainting, that's three
dimensional information beingencoded onto a two dimensional
surface, right?
So we experience this a lot.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
So Victoria's explanation, based on what
you're sharing, coleman itsounds to me like a five
dimensional piece of informationbeing interpreted into.
I don't know.
How many dimensions is thisreality, coleman?
Three, four, what?
Speaker 4 (57:34):
Maybe seven, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Maybe seven, okay, but into a dimension that could
be understood at the very least,right.
So that's how we're able toenter into the quantum, enter
into higher dimensions, and sothere's dimensional compression,
right, that languages.
Speaker 4 (57:52):
So, because there's dimensional compression right, I
don't have the same experienceas y'all, you have different
gifting than I do and because Ithink that nature is very loopy,
there's a chance that higherdimensions could lead back to
(58:15):
what?
Well, there's this idea of thenth dimension like the ultimate
dimension, like infinite.
Right, infinity is like themirror image of nothingness,
emptiness, zero, right, one zero, or like opposite extremes.
But I think in terms of lowerdimensions having authority more
(58:39):
than I think in terms of higherdimensions having authority.
When people think of going tohigher dimensions, it's almost
like getting more power, like inthis analogy, lower dimensions
would be closer to oneness.
And because a seed like, thinkabout a tree, right, a tree is a
three-dimensional thing thattakes place over time and all of
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that information is encodedinto a seed which is not
changing over time.
It's static DNA, right, it'slike DNA is expressed in space
and time, but it is, for allintents and purposes, a very
low-dimensional thing.
So, language, the question camefrom language.
Language is lower dimensionthan 3D reality, because
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language can be expressed on atwo-dimensional plane and
language on a two-dimensionalplane expresses itself into
three-dimensional reality.
Right, our civilization is builton our literature, on our
spiritual texts okay and human.
There is human language, butthere's also natural language,
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and nature encodes language invarious ways.
I think that certain humanlanguages are more natural.
I think other human languagesare more abstract.
I think English is an abstractlanguage.
I think it's very human.
(01:00:10):
It has to do with humantechnology and human society,
and I think that's fine.
I think that there's languagesthat are more like the language
of trees.
I'm not Jewish by blood, butfor some reason I have this deep
intuition that Hebrew is.
A natural language, one of thelanguages that's closer to the
(01:00:33):
language that nature itselfspeaks.
The way that DNA is encoded, orRight.
I have a way that I think thateverything was encoded into the
Big Bang.
I have a theory about howeverything was encoded into the
Big Bang.
What language was that writtenin?
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Are these videos on your YouTube channel the
concepts that you're describingright now, coleman?
Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Yes, to some degree.
Whereas those videos are veryreligious, they take a very
religious angle.
I don't think they have to.
What we're talking about ismore.
You could make a scientificcase for everything I'm saying.
I just so happen to be veryreligious minded, so that's my
(01:01:18):
outlet for talking about thesethings through a religious lens.
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
As you mentioned, infinity oneness and the lower
levels.
It reminds of the toroidalfield.
You got a visual of the toroidalfield of the energy of an
individual, of an apple of earthgoing up and then starting over
at the base.
Then you said the baser levelsare closer to oneness.
I go to the model of businessand real estate is one of the
(01:01:44):
best businesses to get into forsustainable, scalable income.
That's because it's real estate.
It's finite.
Then, finally, you mentioned aswell the pulsing or flickering
of light could encodeinformation.
There's certain healingmodalities and technologies out
there that use flickering lasersor flickering information
(01:02:07):
that's encoded to do things suchas heal individuals, organs,
scar tissue, activate higherlevels of consciousness, create
and stimulate stem cells andthings of that nature.
This is an area of futuristictechnology that I feel like
you're on that path.
(01:02:28):
You're on that journey.
You've created some videos thatwe're excited to share and
we'll share in the descriptionwhere they can find that.
How are you taking all of thisinformation and this certainly
multi-subjects, renaissancescholar-esque approach to
reality?
(01:02:48):
What is your current expressionof that right now?
What are you working on thatreally lights you up?
That is related to all of this.
Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Because I have a ton of experience in the music
industry.
I would like to find a way tocreate music that is in
alignment with natural language,some kind of software update.
I like sound healing, I likesoundbaths and stuff.
I think I've gotten a lot outof those.
But I'm talking about somethinga little different.
I don't actually know what itis yet, I don't know what it
(01:03:20):
sounds like, but music thatdoesn't pander to emotion, but
actually gives you somethingfeeding you, like drinking water
or sitting in the sun.
Maybe there is something withyeah, okay, so that's one thing.
Yeah, what is my messaging?
What are the words I'm saying?
So music is a big thing.
Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Are you looking for collaborators in that space, or
how can our readers support youin this journey?
Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Yeah, if you are in any kind of sonic realm
podcasting, guided meditationjust have something you want to
say poetry, spoken word, or amusician, an instrumentalist I
want to put a lot of variouselements on this album,
different sounds that youwouldn't necessarily expect on
an album, so you could reach outin that capacity.
(01:04:10):
I love collaborating so realquickly.
I'll dive into the tech side,dive into the shallow end of it.
I have a lot of evidence thatnatural language, like all of
this programming that we weretalking about, like how a tree
has a seed, like where's theseed of the universe right?
(01:04:32):
Like where's the twodimensional code for, like
reality, I have a lot ofevidence that it's encoded into
the number pi, which is perfectbecause that is related to the
circle right.
So if everything's cyclical,then where else would this
information be encoded?
And this really elaborate systemof decoding pi through the
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Hebrew language, and if there'snot a futuristic technology
associated with it, it's atleast very entertaining and I
think it's very fun andadventurous, and I think that
there is some industry in thefuture that has to do with
taking the digits of pi,converting them into computer
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language and having VRexperiential experiences with
this other dimension.
What's interesting is, I foundthings that I think are like
cures and solutions to bigproblems in this number as well,
so the entertainment angle isjust one thing.
It's almost like anotherfrontier.
It's like discovering a planetor something that's massive.
(01:05:43):
This project, using AI andsimulations in general to plant
this pi seed until a digitalsubstrate and see what grows out
of it, is something I've spentyears working on and I'm just
like at the edge of what I cando on my own, and so that's
another place where I'm openingup the invitation for
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collaboration, insight andendorsement of any kind.
Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Amazing, and how can people reach out to you?
What's the best way to contactyou about either project, the
music collaborations or the piAI healing technologies project?
Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
My personal email is the best way, and that is
Coleman Trap at gmailcom.
Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
And where is that incredible information that you
shared, with your perspectivesabout pi and reality?
Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
I have just the tip of the iceberg on this YouTube
channel.
It's called Digital Archaeology.
I think one of the earliestvideos is called Hebrew as a
programming language.
The earlier videos have wayhigher production quality.
I would spend like 150 hours onthe earlier videos and then
later on I would just jump on myiPad and make a video in 10
(01:06:59):
minutes, so you get a hugespectrum of production quality.
But yeah, it's on.
That Digital ArchaeologyYouTube channel is where a very
small amount of this informationis.
Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Amazing.
While I look forward to seeingmore videos and content about
your perspectives on reality,coleman and Clifton and I have
watched some of those earlyvideos that you're talking about
and I'm like, oh my God,there's so much in here, there's
a lot and so much upgradesinstalled in the process of
watching them that you may noteven understand how to verbalize
(01:07:34):
or repeat what I just heard.
But I know on a cellular levelsomething was upgrading when I
was watching those, so that wasreally cool.
I really appreciated watchingthem.
Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
So inspiring, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah and same for the listeners.
Hopefully this resonated withyou, either consciously, or it's
planting seeds within you.
We covered so much aboutreality with Coleman and it's
been such a pleasure to sit withyou and share with the
listeners your reality, yourprojects, what you're working on
(01:08:09):
and I know myself in thisconversation was enriched and
had a few of those synapticconnections connected.
So I really appreciate youbeing on the show.
And once again, he can bereached at Coleman Trap and
that's two P's at ColemanTrap atgmailcom.
Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Awesome.
Thank you all for tuning in andlistening today, and we'll talk
to you next time.
Welcome back to the startup of human potential.
We're your co-hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Clifton.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
And I'm Victoria.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And together we are Faces of the Future.
We have an awesome guest ofours, coleman Victoria.
Would you do the honors ofintroducing Coleman?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Absolutely so.
Coleman defines himself as aCalifornian who grew up in the
epicenter of the illusion,saturated by media, the
entertainment industry, and hegot to see a lot which has
broadened his deep perspectiveon the music and film industries
and how media programs people.
He wants to create a programthat's more meaningful,
(00:40):
resourceful and useful forpeople.
With this deep wisdom, he wasthe frontman, writer and
producer of the futuristic indiealternative pop rock band Coast
Modern, which did five nationaltours, half a billion streams.
A huge fan of nature anddefines everything as being
natural and miraculous.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And of course his accolades go far beyond that.
But, as typical high performersgo, there is a beautiful,
authentic humility to Colemanand his focus is not on his
achievements of the past but, onwhat he's currently
passionately involved in in thepresent.
So grateful to have you on,coleman.
(01:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I'm grateful to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Awesome.
So you know we can go manydifferent ways in this
conversation because you're somulti talented, so tapped in
with your musical backgrounds,with your interest in AI and
futuristic technologies.
Where do you want to start,coleman?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
That's a good question.
I kind of circle back to whatthe purpose of art is
traditionally.
Why were artists necessary?
Why did Da Vinci get so muchresource from the state and that
drive to find solutions,inventive things?
That was an artistic drive atone point.
(02:09):
It wasn't just about selfexpression, you know, and so my
interest in technology of thefuture also connects to my
respect for the deep thinkers ofthe past as well.
I just love dipping intoancient language, ancient
thought, and if time is morecircular than we think it is,
(02:34):
then a lot of the answers tofuture technology will be
encoded in the past.
Try and take that holisticapproach.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Amazing.
Yeah, I love that you mentionedLeonardo da Vinci, because many
people know him as the artist,but he's also a mathematician
and inventor and really balancedin his left and right brain.
Genius is what I would say.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I would say he was much more of a scientist.
He only did 10 paintings.
He would get an atronage andthen not even finished paintings
, because what he wanted to dois study nature.
He would just sit and stare atwater at ease in the way smoke
moved, in the way light playedagainst walls, and he had such a
deep understanding of naturethat art flowed out of that.
It was an overflowing of hisunderstanding of nature.
(03:24):
Yeah, when a lot of modernartists will only focus on art
and then they're trying tosqueeze water out of a rock.
Because what does art flow outof?
Yeah, da Vinci is a greatexample.
He's the OG, the goat.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
What you can tell right away is the depth of
Coleman's perspective, that heuses art and other modalities
like technology to be anexpression of and we talk all
around consciousness and beingat the forefront of emerging
consciousness, emergingtechnologies.
And Coleman, just in the firstquestion, he just brought in all
(04:02):
of history and all of nature inyour consideration.
I think that's amazing, thankyou.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, it really ties into what you said about not
believing so much inspirituality we were talking
offline about that but about hownature and everything is just
natural.
It just is.
It's a creation ofconsciousness, for sure.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Yeah, I think it's resourceful not to separate the
world into material when that'sreally a perspective.
The universe is miraculous.
It just depends on yourthreshold for the miraculous
right.
It's like something awesomehappens to you.
You feel great that day andthen the next day the threshold
has risen back up and thingsthat wonderful to you aren't
(04:52):
wonderful anymore Maybe not toy'all, but to a lot of people.
And yeah, that's how I look atit.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Were you always this contemplative as a child and
growing up?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Yes, as a small child .
But yeah, I had a rough go ofit just with you know education
system, my way of thinkingfitting into that, and I kind of
lost touch with who I was fromthe ages of maybe nine to all
(05:24):
the way through high school.
I was always in thedisciplinarians office, that
curious mind I have.
It didn't do great in theclassroom, like I would be up
out of my seat walking aroundtalking to the kids and I always
had good relationships with theteachers, but it was like
you're not going with theprogram.
So I really muted that.
I really muted it and it wasn't.
(05:48):
Yeah, and I got into someaddictions.
I became very addicted tosubstances and activities that
made me feel at peace on earth.
Because I was not at peace, Iwasn't at peace in my own skin.
Yeah, I had lost touch withreality.
25 or 26,.
(06:08):
I had a series of breakthroughs.
It was grace, it was fortune.
They kind of woke me back up tothis curiosity, this
mindfulness, and, yeah, now Ijust hold on to it as tight as I
can because I don't want to goback to a state that's
disconnected and I want to helpanybody who I can to get out of
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a disconnected state.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Wow, there's so much there in what you just said.
You describe yourself as thatdisruptive youth not fitting
into the mold of society, and Ithink you use the words going
against the program, that youweren't in the program.
A lot of times people fall toaddictions because they want to
get out of a program and seesomething else, see the other
(06:55):
side, and I'm curious, afteryour experiences with that, what
were some of those awakeningmoments that brought you back,
that made you feel thatconnectedness that you're just
talking about, how it's like ithappens from disconnection?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah.
So it was a number of things atonce.
One of them was a relationshipwhere I felt love for the first
time, and it wasn't how Iexpected.
It didn't come from the place Iexpected it to.
So that care that my partnerhad for me started to loosen up
(07:30):
some of my beliefs.
It's interesting because evenin my darkest times, I had this
like intuition about the distantfuture that I would be okay,
like this little light at theend of the tunnel.
But it was so faint, and so thisrelationship really started to
light that up.
I joined an accountability teamwhere individuals would hold me
(07:52):
accountable to commitments Imade, which was very resourceful
for me.
I discovered vipassanameditation through a book called
Mindfulness in Plain English.
That had a huge effect on me,and around that time I signed a
record deal and so that kind ofwent against my narratives Right
, and so growing up I didn'tknow anybody in the music
industry, and so I was alwayslike how am I going to make it
(08:15):
in the super competitiveindustry?
Around 27, when I signed myfirst record deal, I had been
trying to make it in the musicindustry for a decade at that
point, and so that challenged mynarrative of like, oh, I'm just
going to be one of the manyunknown musicians.
Those are a few things thatjust kind of all happened around
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the same time.
That started this momentumtowards rewriting the program.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
How did that happen?
That opportunity that cameafter 10 years of wanting to
make it in the music industry.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
So I was already working with people who were
successful in the music industryat this point and they were
like, just wait, like you'regoing to be okay, just be
patient.
But I was working for free, Iwas making EPs and producing
people for free and I gave up.
I moved to Denver.
I just wanted to be regular.
I worked at a music store, in achicken wing restaurant.
(09:09):
Then I got an email from mywriting partner and he said hey,
there's a record label thatwants to sign us and it's
interesting.
We put our music online, notfor anybody to discover, but so
that if, like a producer on a TVshow, you know, like pitching
music for sync and TV, like sowe would have a link for them to
(09:30):
click.
And the person from the recordlabel who found the music said
that the graphic design was sobad that they knew that hiding.
They knew that.
Yeah, that's how that happened.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Wow, it was so cool.
I didn't know that was thething.
The graphic design has to be sobad, like oh, they're hiding
their genius, or it looksamazing.
They must be like polished andready or something.
Two extremes, very cool.
Wow, I didn't know that story.
I know Clifton and I knowColeman for a few years now and
(10:08):
we don't know a lot of yourstories and I'm excited that you
get to share them here.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Thank you, you too.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, and I just want to present the pace and energy
of this episode and pause for amoment and reflect that.
Our listeners know thatVictoria and I are projectors
and Coleman also is a projector.
So one of the things we like topresent to our listeners is
just getting that understanding,that natural ability to sense
(10:38):
what kind of energy certainpeople have.
Some of our previous guestswere manifesting generators or
generators.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Jen was a projector.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yes, Jen was a projector.
So, just that the depth of whathappens when you have three
projectors come together to talkabout very broad topics such as
art and creation, and so we'regoing to dive a little deeper in
that, and then we're going tohopefully keep you all engaged
with some specific questionsaround what Coleman is working
(11:10):
on.
Now to dive deep into today'stopic, coleman, what was the
aspect or area that you wantedto explore?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
One thing that's been inspiring me a lot is the
conversation about addiction,because it connects to so many
other things.
It connects to feeling like youbelong here, being at peace in
your skin, being productive,living in your purpose.
Over the last year I've gottento spend a lot of time
counseling and facilitatinggroup discussion and rehab
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centers and have gotten a lot ofperspective from that and also
with my past.
I have an addictive personality, I'm very impulsive, so it's a
topic that's dear to my heart.
Yeah, I feel like that'sresourceful topic because we're
all addicted to something.
I don't know if I can say thatbroadly, but maybe I can.
(12:09):
Maybe there's always somethingthat we can loosen the bonds of
and be more productive, happier.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So and addiction is such a broad topic.
It's not just substances.
People can be addicted to it's.
I think you mentioned, when wewere talking before Coleman,
that fasting is something youcan be addicted to.
You can be addicted to even asurge of chemicals in the body,
because what does that addictiondo for people that hit of a
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substance or whatever the actionis that someone is addicted to,
there's a surge of chemicalssurging through the body,
neurotransmitters, dopamine andserotonin.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
So you can be addicted to emotions.
You can be addicted to going tothe gym.
Yeah, all different forms ofaddiction, and I think one of
the powerful aspects of thisconversation, coleman, is your
unique perspective of goingthrough it yourself and then
also helping others, and I'dlove to explore that.
What are some experiencesyou've had directly that you see
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in others, that you're able torelate to them or see yourself
in them?
How do you help an individualor how do you show up to be of
help and to be of service forthem?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
That's a good question.
I lucked out that I was notexposed to hard drugs, because
if I had been exposed to harddrugs, my life would have been
very different.
And when I say hard drugs, Imean the hardest of drugs, not
like party drugs that you canget in LA, but the hardest of
drugs are the kinds of thingsthat are at these rehab centers.
People are dropping like fliesfrom fin all they say.
(13:52):
It's the equivalent of like a747 every day, papal passing.
And so how I relate to them iswith humility, because I have
not had the depth of experiencethat they've had.
Some of the people in thesefacilities have been using since
childhood because their familydealers the families were
cooking it up and they don'tknow any different right.
(14:14):
It's like somebody could be auser and their parents be
disappointed in them.
That's one story, but anotherstory is their parents are
enabling them and that's whatyour family does and that's what
your whole city does.
And rehabs are making money offof addiction.
Pharmaceutical companies aremaking money off of addiction.
Justice department is makingmoney off of addiction.
Cartels are making money off ofaddiction.
(14:36):
So it's not even just aconversation about the
substances, it's a conversationabout powers, authorities, like
entire organizations.
If people can manifest, arethere corporations and companies
and whole parts of society thatare manifesting this epidemic?
So it's deep.
When I'm in there I'm like Ihave insight for these
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individuals because I've foundfreedom and because I know that
they can have freedom, but I'mgrateful that I haven't
experienced the depth ofaddiction that they have.
At the same time.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Wow, do most of the people that you work with know
what you just shared about thevarious industries like pharma
and cartels and all thestakeholders that benefit from
this kind of economy?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I bring it up sometimes, depending on the
group, because it's important.
There's a lot ofself-deprecation, beating
yourself up for relapsing andstuff, but that's still like the
thing that keeps the addictionin play is that isolation.
I think the conversation ofaddiction and energy efficiency
are very closely related, andyour energy efficiency goes up
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when you start collaboratingwith people and creating
networks, and so that's whynetworking is such a big part of
recovery.
Like AA is an amazingorganization, because AA there's
no governing authority.
It's all these little satellitegroups and they've perpetuated
for decades.
That's pretty awesome.
(16:15):
It means they're doingsomething right.
People are in recovery as ateam and then they relapse solo
and beat themselves up about it.
I'm like you have to keep intoconsideration the number of
people who want to keep thosepeople addicted.
It's a real thing.
It's a huge network.
I mean I said it earlier eventhe rehab center that they're in
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is profiting off of it.
I know certain rehab centersare incentivized to put people
on prescriptions like Suboxoneblocks, opioid receptors, and
they'll push this on somebodywho's not even addicted to
opioids.
I've seen clients get reallyangry about that, like you
brought me in here and tried toput me on an opioid suppressant
(16:57):
which could have gotten meaddicted to opiates, and I
didn't even come in for opiates.
So and these are even thebetter of rehab centers there's
certain rehabs that don't evenexist.
They pay you to come out andthey give you drugs just to say
that you're in recovery.
Yeah, it's a big thing.
The other thing about relapsewhich is sad is people feel like
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they're starting over, likethey're starting from zero.
They just lost all theirprogress, not realizing that
every moment you have sober,you're building those neural
pathways.
One relapse is not gonna undoall that.
So all that to say.
Your question was do I bring upthis bigger picture about
recovery?
Sometimes I do, depending onyour posture.
(17:39):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I haven't actually thought about that other layer
that you just mentioned, abouthow they profit off of the
solution as well.
So the economy as a wholeprofits from the problem and
then you're giving them thesolution, which also puts money
back into those industries.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, including prison, all that.
Those are private as well.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, I knew about the prison system, but about the
rehab system.
I haven't gone there yet, Ihaven't gone to that narrative
yet.
So I appreciate that.
Of course.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, and it's very interesting that we're talking
about addiction, because we'vehad two other guests whose
parents actually had addictionissues.
So if you haven't checked outour episode with Frank Waters or
with Ellie Rollins, they bothgrew up in households or single
mother households where therewas addiction and hearing their
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stories of how they were able tomove through that and create
their life of joy and whatthey're creating.
And so how do you?
Obviously there are thesenarratives of the money making
industries, but how do youobserve beneficial intentions of
these places?
If we could talk about that fora second.
(19:00):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Yeah, I mean it's a mixed bag.
You definitely hear firsthandfrom the clients that there are
people at the decenters thatthey are really grateful for.
They're definitely pushing,Pushing the needle.
I don't know if rehab is thesolution, though.
I don't know if that's thein-game.
I don't know if that is thefuture of recovery.
(19:26):
I think that there's cure onthe horizon.
I think that there's a paradigmshift that could make addiction
of that degree of hard drugs athing of the past.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I'd love to talk aboutthat more, Coleman, and I love
what you said earlier aboutbuilding new neural pathways.
Every time somebody has astreak of sobriety and then they
relapse.
So they might be in thatthinking, feeling loop of shame
or guilt that comes up forhaving done that, but then, as
they're breaking through thatsite, they're still building the
(20:01):
neural pathways of like, hey, Idid this for 75 days last time,
Next time I can do this for 180days.
Right, and what is kind of thatcore root pattern and I'm sure
many people have different onesof why people would want to be
addicted to something and what'sthat thing that you see that
(20:21):
they actually want, that theythink that addiction provides
them?
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
That's totally so.
I think what people want is tobe lit up.
I think they want to beelectrified.
Mm-hmm.
I think that, and you know,this is just my belief.
It's not capital T, true, but Ithink that the human is
(20:48):
designed with seven distinctenergy centers that have a
unique type of energy, rightLike you wouldn't put raw petrol
in a Lamborghini.
So it's not just about energy,it's about the type of energy.
Mm-hmm.
And I think that's reallyimportant.
I think that's a distinctionthat people miss because, let's
(21:08):
say, your Lamborghini breaksdown.
Okay, this is a very, veryfine-tuned machine, okay, but
you might find yourself pushingit if it breaks down, which is
still an energy source.
It's just a very crude energysource compared to what the
Lamborghini is meant for.
So, when acute trauma takesplace to the human species, I'm
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trying to use, like technical, aperson, a people, their ideal
energy source.
They might not have access toit, so they might have to push
it, and I think that could startwith a shot of tequila and turn
into heroin over the course ofa decade.
(21:56):
It could also be seekingflattery.
It could be going to websitesthat don't support your
relationships.
There's all kinds of ways thatpeople could try and fuel their
Lamborghini, which is their body, and I think that's a good
analogy, because the human being, the design of the human being,
is just miraculous.
(22:16):
It's like one of the mostintricate things on the whole
planet.
Your ability to access energyhas to do with your models,
models of the world, if youbelieve that you can tap into,
like capital E energy source,energy that's going to change
the way you live.
It's going to change the wayyou seek energy right, and each
(22:38):
one of these seven centers thatI'm talking about, that distinct
flavor of energy likeself-expression, creativity,
forgiveness, empowerment,connection to the divine wisdom,
knowledge, intimacy,groundedness, those pure sources
of energy have their flip side.
So I need your help, becausethat was a lot of info.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
That's beautiful, coleman, and we're tracking with
you because we've studied theworks of people like Dr Joe
Dispenza, who has practices ofblessing in the energy centers,
which are each one of the sevencenters that some people call
chakras.
He uses just the organ centersand the culmination of a lot of
the fascia and nervous systemthroughout the body.
(23:24):
What are you seeing in terms ofthe depletion or what these
individuals who have addictions,what are they short of?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
It's the opposite.
I think that they have asurplus.
I think that they're people whoare born with the ability to
channel more energy.
That doesn't mean better, it'sjust more.
And so I think they desire moreextreme situations, right?
Like when I would get high.
I only wanted to get so high.
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I could get too high and belike, wow, that was a little
intense, right?
These people, they want more,they want to go faster, they
want to feel more intense, right?
So they have a higher thresholdand it has to do with their
purpose.
It also has to do with theirindividual design, right?
If you're a child who's bornwith extra intuition, extra
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energy, extra libido, then ifyou have a trauma that shuts
that down, to feel normal,you're going to need more than
someone else, right?
Someone else who sufferedtrauma.
They might just need a supportgroup and they're fine.
They might not go for more,some of these more intense
things that make them feel likethey're flying a thousand miles
an hour through space.
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So if I do a group meditationwith people who are not in
recovery, just regular folks,the energy reaches a certain
intensity, right.
If you do that same meditationwith people in recovery, it will
feel like the walls are goingto blow off, wow, in that room,
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and that was somethingenlightening for me.
Let's say, you took a bunch ofpeople in recovery.
If they had victory right, ifthey had success, the world
would change.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Hold on right there, coleman, because you're laying
gems one sentence after theother.
So just to present it, you'resaying that when you do group
meditations it feelselectrifying because these are
individuals who have a highercapacity to connect to this kind
of energy.
That's your direct experience.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, you're going to get amplitude.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
right yeah, Not quality, but amplitude.
Wow.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Amplitude, wow, okay, and so we also talked about
societal design and your ownself in school, where the
education system is waking up toit.
Sitting in a chair for a childfor six hours a day is not
healthy, right?
So is there some aspect ofsocietal design that can support
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these higher amplitudeindividuals?
To achieve that level offulfillment or connection.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Absolutely.
I think the answer is societal.
I think when society makes roomfor these kind of people, so
like, let's say, your heartcenter, your heart chakra, let's
say that your heart has eyesokay, and just like, eyes can
open to light, that's energyentering okay.
So let's say, your eyes areopening to the light when you
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wake up in the morning and thelight is bright, you don't want
to open your eyes all the way,right, because it hurts.
I think this is exactly whatanxiety is it's the eyes of the
heart that are trying to open up, but the light is painful.
So if I had a high amplitudeenergy coming out of my heart
okay, and you did not want yourheart to be opened because it
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hurt too bad, someone told youit was anxiety and said you
weren't supposed to feel thatway, right, you might push me
away, you might discredit me,you might create a legislature
that keeps me in the dark.
So I think that's exactly whatthis is.
I think society is not ready tobe activated in this way, so the
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people who could activate themare put in.
A lot of this is subconscious.
Almost everything I'm talkingabout is subconscious If you're
talking about just a regularperson and there are seven
energy centers.
Like Clifton was talking aboutsociety more in general, every
one of these seven is being fedby some kind of subpar energy
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source.
That is the global economy.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Hold on right there.
That's another statement andit's beautiful diving into these
and we're going to keep gettinga little bit deeper for a few
more minutes, folks, so staywith us, but we're tracking with
you, coleman.
So can you explain or giveexamples of what you mean by
subpar energy source for eachone of these seven energy
centers.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
So if you could sit and pull in energy into these
centers just by being, just bysitting there and being, that
would be ideal.
It might not just be meditation.
There could be somethingfuturistic that we haven't
tapped into, or something reallyawesome is entering into these
centers.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Like a futuristic passion technology Coleman's
talking about here.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I've experienced this firsthand and it's wonderful.
Sometimes it feels like drugs,but not always, but sometimes it
does.
So.
Food is solar power.
On a scientific level, that'swhat it is.
Solar energy hits the earthbecause of the second law of
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thermodynamics, actually, let mesay, because nature abhors a
gradient.
It means that this is like andI'm going to connect this to
your question, I'm going to makeit simple Energy can't just
collect somewhere.
The universe, based onthermodynamics, wants to
equalize energy.
It wants to make a homogenousright.
So solar energy is beating theearth.
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It needs to be expressed insome way, and it's expressed as
plant matter, it's expressed asanimals, it's expressed as
ecosystems right, wow, that'sdeep.
Yeah, fruit is the fruit ofthat ecosystem, the food we eat,
and some people eat animals,and those animals ate plants.
What about?
Speaker 1 (29:31):
lab made food chemical food?
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Well, it comes from solar Everything we have on this
planet.
All the petrol that makes thatlaboratory came from plants that
were buried for millions ofyears.
Everything comes from solarenergy.
When you're consuming food, youare desiring solar energy, so
when you are hungry, you feel itin your solar plexus.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Oh, I need it.
Are there thought leaders outhere that you're pulling this
from?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
There's a book called Into the Cool, there's a book
called Every Life is on Fire,and there's a book called the
Romance of Reality.
These are three books about hownon-equilibrium thermodynamics
create all this.
Wow.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I just want to present that this is deeply
researched by Coleman.
It's not just pontificating,he's done his research and he
goes deep.
He spends years and hoursdiving into the weeds of the
science, of the mathematicsbehind it.
He does that for listeners,that what he's saying.
There's a whole body of workthat you can explore just to
establish a little bit ofcredibility of where you're
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coming from.
So he said the solar plexus.
Yeah, you want solar energy.
So you feel it in your solarplexus.
Non-equilibrium thermodynamicsexpressed through your own
experience of hunger in thesolar plexus.
I think that's a powerfulconsolidation of macro thinking
and existential observationembodied into the human vehicle.
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So I just want to say that wasawesome.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Thank you.
You could take any product andfind which one of the seven
centers it's feeding right.
Wikipedia feeding your brain.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Agena, the sixth center, which a lot of religion
does too People will want toknow.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yeah, so what was the term you used, victoria?
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh, agena, the sixth chakra, that's like the third
eye between the brows, that'sthe head spot where, when we're
a very intellectualized society,that's where we're very
dominant, the human species, aswe've been talking about, used
to have more of a sloped brain,or what do you call it skull,
because the prefrontal cortexhadn't yet developed when we
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were Neanderthals and otheriterations before we became Homo
sapiens.
And now humans have this morestraight forehead because of
that development of theprefrontal cortex.
So it's a very developed sixthchakra, agena, and you're saying
that religion also influencesit, which, in my experience of
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diving into spirituality andconsciousness, is true.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
And as a society, they push certain societal
religions right Are we talkingabout human evolution here
through the lens of drugrehabilitated individuals who
have a high amplitude of energycapacity.
Is that where we're going withthis?
Because it sounds like that'swhere we're going with this.
Are you saying that people inrehab centers might hold keys to
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our evolution?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, I think they're the mutants.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
X-Men yeah.
Wow.
So what is that paradigm shiftthat you were talking about
earlier, how there will be atime when there's no drugs and
substances or addictions?
What does that paradigm shiftlook like then?
Do we have higher access tothese energy centers and that
energy with a capital E that youwere talking about?
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And what is that energy?
Is it source, is it love?
Is it connectedness?
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Yeah, what is that energy?
It's a good question.
Energy, you know, it's like awave is not a thing.
A wave is something thatsomething does, like water waves
, hand waves.
But what is a wave?
It's like an attribute more thanit's a noun, and I think both
think about energy like a noun,when I think this only makes
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sense when you look at it as anattribute.
Right?
Energy is the.
It's a disparity between twothings.
Right, it's like water flowsdown and so, yeah, when you ask
me, what is this fuel source?
It's just the movement.
It's the movement of nature andthere's ways that nature
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prefers to move.
There's a dance that it prefersto do, and if things within the
universe are not doing thatdance, then they'll be dissolved
, and that can be takennegatively or positively, right?
I don't know if you've seen theYouTube videos where people
will have like 20 metronomes allticking out of order with each
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other and they'll all startgoing at the same speed.
Yeah, or you could even look atthe sides of a river how
they're eroded.
It's like that's changed.
You could see it as the death,but you could also see it as
birth at the same time, and,yeah, so I wouldn't use another
term to describe the energy.
Like love, I feel like you know, it might be a whole other
conversation about words and thepower of words and how words
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have been co-opted, but love isdefinitely a difficult one.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
What I'm getting from what you're sharing, coleman,
which is awesome, is that it'salmost to me how I'm
interpreting what you say, asthese individuals in rehab
centers hold keys to theevolution of our society because
they have a greater capacity,or a greater ability to create
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an amplitude, or capacity for ahigher amplitude in one of the
seven energy centers that theywere unable to receive
sustenance from society.
So they turn to drug use andaddiction, and so if we wanted
to understand the naturalevolution of where society would
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move towards a greater state ofequilibrium, it would be to
actually understand theindividuals and their stories
and what would bring them intoequilibrium and then extrapolate
that to a societal construct.
So I'm really fascinated by whatyou also shared about the.
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There might be some futuristictechnology that could help
either align these individualsor provide that sustenance that
they're craving or they'reasking for.
Do you have any insights orareas how that futuristic
technology might come about, orare you just holding space for
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it or yet?
Where are you in that?
Because I want to move nowtowards, you know, from
addiction to the conversation oftechnology and music, and what
you're currently passionateabout and I wanted to stop real
quick on this one that I'mreally passionate to explore is
that notion of a futuristictechnology that you discussed.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
For sure.
Yeah, just to clarify, I don'tthink it's one of the centers, I
think it's all of them.
Yeah, maybe people are giftedin one center, but I don't know.
I think ideally we'd be likefiring on all cylinders.
As far as the futuristictechnology, it's more of a
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software than a hardware.
I don't think that it's likebuilding something.
I think it's about operatingsomething.
I think that whatever we are,we just have no idea.
We have no idea what humans areor what our purpose is, and so
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I think that there's a softwareupgrade that would convert.
Yeah, it's almost like if thatLambo was running off of
gasoline for the last couplehundred years, but whoever
invented that Lambo gave it theability to have a software
update that would allow it torun off of electricity.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Okay, so it's software for the human Right
You're talking about.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Okay, yeah, that would basically reveal just an
entirely new dimension of whatit means to be in a body on
Earth as a human.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Like activating human potential.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Yeah, and it's the paradigm shift that I'm not just
talking about like an emotionalshift.
You know more positive.
I'm talking about somethingthat would have an effect on the
whole planet plants and animals, ecosystems and society and
might have consequences that areon a different time scale than
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we think about, like that mightstretch outside of the time
scale of a single human life.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Wow, that's a mouthful Okay.
So, victoria, what did you getfrom that?
And thank you, coleman, thatwas awesome.
So I just want to take a moment, because a lot of the wisdom
that you talk about, coleman, isfrom your thousands of hours of
research and your in-depthintellect, and it might take a
bit of time to digest theprofoundness of what you say.
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So, victoria, what did youcatch on that?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
one Coleman's from the future.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
It might also be the past, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
But it's informed by the wisdom of the past, as you
mentioned before, I think, sometechnologies you're almost
talking about.
Upgrading the human into alight body is kind of how I was
interpreting it.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, I was kind of getting that like the Buddhist
light body activation or therainbow body.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
That's how we are.
So that's why it's a softwareupdate.
It's not like, yeah, andthere's a roadmap to it.
And the fact that you even usethe term rainbow body is perfect
, because, like that's, I knowthat rainbow body idea is not a
one-to-one relationship withwhat I'm about to say, but that
is what the system of seven is.
It is like that Rainbow body.
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Did you have more that you weregoing to say Clifton?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
I was just going to say that, combining it, we also
have our quantum doc, who we'veinterviewed and we certainly do
for another interview with him.
He also talks about updatingthe hardware and how imagine you
had your first Windows 95.
Try to run the most up-to-dateversion of Windows 11 or
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whatever it's at now.
The hardware can't handle thatsoftware.
So for some people and a lot ofthe high performers that we're
working with, we're seeing thatthey need to upgrade their
hardware, that being theirnervous system, their reflexes,
their capacity to hold theenergy.
And what you're sharing is thatthe people that you've observed
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in rehab centers have theupgraded hardware and they need
the upgraded software, and so Ithink it's a really cool
combination that's tied into aconcept like the rainbow body,
to have a loose approximation ofwhat we're discussing.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
What you just said helped me clarify a couple
things that I'll speak out nowif it's a good time.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, please.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
So I don't know that the people in the rehab have the
hardware.
I think it's more like theblueprint or a purpose.
I think it's more in theirpurpose.
Because here's the thing whenyou talk about upgrading your
hardware, it's like what part ofyou is upgrading your hardware.
We like to think of ourselvesas individuals, but on almost
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every level we're made of parts,like 38 trillion cells, all of
our ancestors, our community,our different body parts, the
different ways we think aboutourselves from day to day,
different thoughts.
So it's like you can upgradeyour software in one part of
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your body, like your brain, onepart of your brain.
You could upgrade the softwareof one part of your brain and
that upgraded software in onepart of your brain can start to
do things that will upgrade thehardware in another part of your
brain, right?
So the hardware would be likethe neural pathways.
The software is like symbolism,it's like code.
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It's different, doesn't havethe same type of physical
manifestation, right?
So I could say something to youoh, speed on ton logo, on
speedy.
I could speak life into you,right?
Something I could inspire youin some kind of way.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
What did you just say ?
How did you just inspire us,Coleman?
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, my crown is like vibrating, my skull like
Brrr, brrr, brrr.
I don't even know what you said.
What did you say?
Speaker 4 (42:35):
I said the so or so with the word.
It has to do with programmingright Programming planning seeds
.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Coleman, you're the first person that had me
fascinated with etymology ofwords.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
I love that.
Etymology is important.
So let's say there's a part ofyour brain that's like soil,
that's ready, okay.
That means the hardware's ready, right, the soil is ready, okay
.
So when someone inspires you,it takes root.
So that means that part of yourhardware just got a software
upgrade, okay.
And because that happened, youmight realize oh, another part
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of my hardware, this otherneural pathway, right, that
applies to the body, because youhave neurons through your whole
body.
It's like your vagus nerveneeds to be toned, your gut
lining needs to be healed, yourfashion is connected.
So it's both.
It's a hardware, it's softwarethat's updating hardware, that's
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telling the body where there'sother hardware.
You know what I mean.
It's like it's this wholeconversation that's happening
internally and I think, yeah,with addiction it's like a
hardware thing.
There's nervous issues, there'sneural pathway issues, there's
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fascial issues and it becomescompounded and so the basics are
a big part of recovery.
Like, what gives people a lotof progress is body work and
Asian and hypnotherapy and icebaths and NAD, neural feedback,
right.
That's getting the hardwarethere and you have to have the
software coming at the same timeof like hey, I love you, you're
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worth it, you belong here, youhave a purpose.
If those two things are in lineand people in rehab are the
edge case because they're ondrugs that are incredibly
addictive, I think you feelincredibly energized.
But this applies to everybody,and until yeah, legislators,
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ceos, taste makers, when yourhardware is upgraded, it feels
like dying.
It's the same feeling Becausesomething is dying.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I felt that.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
So the world will resist it with all of their ego,
because the ego has a purpose.
It's an evolutionary purpose tokeep you alive, right, it's
like you can't push it downforever.
You just have to replace itwith something with just a
bigger commitment.
So this is complicated, yeah,and it's something that we're
moving towards.
Like nature is doing this workthat I'm talking about, this
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futuristic technology, is anatural thing.
What were you gonna say,victoria?
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Oh, I was gonna say the new hardware update that we
were talking about.
The new neural pathway is beingthat identity, because Clifton
and I talk a lot about identitywork, the identity of a person
who doesn't have that addiction,and how a part of them is dying
off because it's a part of themthat associates existence with
this thing that's been like thebane of their existence.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
Exactly yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, what you're talking about.
It brings that up, victoria andme as well.
With our clients, we talk aboutidentity design and redesign as
the pathway towards takingquantum leaps in your own
reality, and so we deal on thedaily basis with ego's egoic
self-defense mechanisms of highperformers and be able to
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understand how to help them.
That software is reallyimportant.
And there's also this corereflex that I didn't have
integrated, that the quantumdoctor, dr Brian, helped us with
called the MoroReflex, which isthe fight or flight reflex, and
so I couldn't actually handleany form of upgrades of
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heightened energy and Cliftonchannels.
Of actually changing my egobecause, I would run away from
it and I would do everything inmy power because I didn't have
the capacity to experience thatkind of a transformation.
I couldn't contain it within mybody.
And so.
I would rather physically diethan to actually go through that
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.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, the addiction Clifton and I see the most often
is addiction to the current egoin our work, which the ego can
express itself in many differentways and have non-beneficial
patterns and certain patternsthat got them to a place of
success that they're at, thatultimately might be crippling to
get to the next level of wherethey wanna go next.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
For sure, right.
And there's traditionally beenso much talk about suppressing
the ego.
It's funny, the people who talkthe most about not having ego.
Well, I'm not gonna say what Iwas about to say.
I'll save that.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
But so here's what I did when I went through my
awakening and channeling andaccessing the Akashic record and
getting to no thoughts persecond is.
I started just observingreality and essentially removed
the idea of an ego within me,and what happened was I could
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not exist in this realitywithout an ego, so people would
be projecting and defining whatmy ego was whether or not, I was
conscious and creating it, Iwas receiving it, and a lot of
unconscious people myself beforethat.
that is who I am.
I'm defined by others, I'mdefined by society.
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I'm defined by parentsprogramming things of that
nature.
The illusion of the media thatyou're so fully aware of and so
here I was consciously aware nowof what was happening was I was
being imprinted with aparticular ego, and so the work
that we do, then, that so manyothers do, is to consciously
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create an ego and to work withthe idea of an ego to operate in
a different way in this reality.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
I hear that I hear that I yeah, that's awesome.
I think that's like theconversation right now.
I hope yeah, because for thelast 20 or so years it seems
like spiritual conversationshave been about you know, the
ego is not your amigo, but Inever heard anyone say that
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before.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I like it, it seems really obvious but really clever
, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
But if the ego is a.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
You come up with that .
I like it.
Speaker 4 (49:33):
No, no, I didn't.
That was over the desk of agentleman who was a program
director at one of the firstrehabs I worked at.
Oh, got you.
So the ego is survival, right,it's how you survive, right, If
a bear's coming out of the woodsto maul you, you have to say,
oh, hell, no, it's like I have aright to survive, so it has a
purpose, right.
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And then it's like we have theability to commit, we have the
ability to make plans, we havethe ability to be disciplined,
which is like the remedy againstthat, because it's not that
temporal thing of, oh, there's abear coming out of the woods,
or oh, I need food for today.
It's like what do I want theworld to look like in 50 years?
Right, so it's not like yourego isn't there, it's just that
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you're changing the time scaleand so you see people right now
pushing their ego into savingthe planet.
Right, it's like people getvery egoic in that.
But it's like, as you all aretalking, I'm thinking like maybe
that's where the ego belongsright now is like, can we like
what is the ego of mother nature?
It is, I mean, I don't knowthat the earth is at risk right
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now it seems like there's a lotof evidence that it is and a lot
of people saying it is.
From my finite perspective, Ican't necessarily say for sure
that it's at risk, but if it is,then does the earth?
Do we need to project our egoonto the earth?
Speaker 2 (50:53):
And so, coleman, absolutely, as you're talking
about this, where I'm at rightnow, which you just inspired, is
that we think in stories, right, our and this is gonna talk
about language, our Englishlanguage has subjects, or
subject verb, object, I thinkright, and the I, the physical
body, your soul's experience,has to have a subject to it, and
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therefore it's part of theecosystem of observing the human
experience, and so it needs tohave some definition of itself
in order to engage in thisreality.
So the ego is the thing that ispart of the stories that you're
telling yourself and that thepart of you that engages in
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other stories Without that, thenthe story of who you are or
what you're doing, or the moneyin your bank account, or the
relationship you have.
You need some form of thatsubject to interact with.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
But what is something outside of relationship?
You can't know everythingwithout knowing what it is
related to something.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Exactly, and so you have to have that concept at
least based on the Englishlanguage, and that's where I'm
going is.
I know, victoria, you're verygifted in Russian as well, and I
wanna explore real quicklylinguistics, because I know,
coleman, you've really studied alot of Hebrew and linguistics
(52:23):
and just how language structuresare, our own interpretation of
reality.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
Yeah, it's a big thing.
Yeah, I'll dive into that realquick.
I just want to say that theconversation about addiction
also connected to theconversation about cancer, and
it's interesting because theseare huge issues.
But a cell, when it doesn't knowits place in relationship to
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the rest of the body, startslooking for cheaper energy
sources.
Instead of getting that bodyenergy, it starts to consume
sugar, cheaper sources at ahigher rate, and starts
reproducing really quickly outof fear and doesn't want to die,
right, because it's a f***ingdeath.
So, linguistics, there's a lotof different ways I can crack
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that egg.
So there's this idea that onthe surface of a black hole, a
black hole has a ton ofinformation inside of it,
basically everything that ablack hole consumes.
That information is inside ofthe black hole.
There's this idea thatinformation is lost slowly over
time by hawking radiation.
But generally speaking, a blackhole has a ton of information
(53:42):
inside of it.
Okay, there's an idea that inphysics.
There's an idea in physics thaton the boundary of the black
hole, just the surface alone,all of the information from
within the black hole can beencoded.
So that idea is basically thatyou can take information from a
higher dimension and encode itonto a lower dimension.
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Right, if you're playing avideo game, right, all that
information about the space ofthe game, the storyline, the
time, the colors, all of it.
Right, you could have VR on andbe immersed in this 3D temporal
experience.
All of that information can beencoded in a lower dimension,
which we call a computer program.
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You can look at a computerprogram like a wall of text, but
programmers know that thoseline breaks don't have to be
there.
That's just to help you read it.
A program is really one longsentence.
Okay, so that's basicallytaking something that's two
dimensional and bringing it toone dimensional.
You could take each one ofthose characters and turn it
into just an amplitude right,and then you could take that
(54:49):
amplitude and instead of makingit a line, you could make it
static and just changing overtime color and amplitude, and
you could have all of theinformation from a video game
inside this one blinking light,where amplitude is one dimension
, frequencies another dimension.
So basically there's this ruleof nature.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Hold on, can we take a breath?
You just basically explainingthe matrix and how reality works
.
Okay, I think I got it,victoria, you good.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
I'm like Coleman.
Do you see this happening, likeyou mentioned earlier,
observing nature and howLeonardo da Vinci observed
nature.
Is this something that you seeas well in day to day reality?
Speaker 4 (55:33):
It depends.
It depends on what kind ofstate of mind I'm in.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
So the answer is yes.
Sometimes yeah, okay, wow.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
So Coleman's mind is fascinating and I want to see
reality through his lens.
Is what I'm thinking.
Speaker 4 (55:46):
I love that.
Thank you, same to you.
The point that I'm making,though, is that it's dimensional
compression right.
Information from higherdimensions can be encoded into
lower dimensions.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, and what you were saying earlier about.
I don't know if you're done yet,but I wanted to chime in about
how we were talking about thatsixth chakra, the asana.
That's like the pineal glandand it's the transducer or the
interpreter of information thatgoes from the higher dimensions
into this dimension.
And when we download thesoftware upgrades that you were
(56:16):
talking about, clifton, and Irefer to them as quantum packets
, like it's a piece ofinformation encoded into a
little like thought bubblepacket we can't see, we pick it
up by our transducer, the pinealgland, and then interpret the
information in whatever extrasensory intuitive gift that is
(56:36):
the highest functioning for us.
So, like Claire audience,hearing the information, claire
cognizance, which is knowingnessof what that information is
Claire voyance, seeing something, claire sentience, feeling it
somewhere in your body.
So interpreting and interactingwith those higher dimensions is
happening all the time.
Speaker 4 (56:59):
I love that and, for the sake of this illustration,
the term dimension is even morebasic, right?
It's like if you look at apainting where someone has depth
, has placed depth into thepainting, that's three
dimensional information beingencoded onto a two dimensional
surface, right?
So we experience this a lot.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
So Victoria's explanation, based on what
you're sharing, coleman itsounds to me like a five
dimensional piece of informationbeing interpreted into.
I don't know.
How many dimensions is thisreality, coleman?
Three, four, what?
Speaker 4 (57:34):
Maybe seven, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Maybe seven, okay, but into a dimension that could
be understood at the very least,right.
So that's how we're able toenter into the quantum, enter
into higher dimensions, and sothere's dimensional compression,
right, that languages.
Speaker 4 (57:52):
So, because there's dimensional compression right, I
don't have the same experienceas y'all, you have different
gifting than I do and because Ithink that nature is very loopy,
there's a chance that higherdimensions could lead back to
(58:15):
what?
Well, there's this idea of thenth dimension like the ultimate
dimension, like infinite.
Right, infinity is like themirror image of nothingness,
emptiness, zero, right, one zero, or like opposite extremes.
But I think in terms of lowerdimensions having authority more
(58:39):
than I think in terms of higherdimensions having authority.
When people think of going tohigher dimensions, it's almost
like getting more power, like inthis analogy, lower dimensions
would be closer to oneness.
And because a seed like, thinkabout a tree, right, a tree is a
three-dimensional thing thattakes place over time and all of
(59:03):
that information is encodedinto a seed which is not
changing over time.
It's static DNA, right, it'slike DNA is expressed in space
and time, but it is, for allintents and purposes, a very
low-dimensional thing.
So, language, the question camefrom language.
Language is lower dimensionthan 3D reality, because
(59:26):
language can be expressed on atwo-dimensional plane and
language on a two-dimensionalplane expresses itself into
three-dimensional reality.
Right, our civilization is builton our literature, on our
spiritual texts okay and human.
There is human language, butthere's also natural language,
(59:49):
and nature encodes language invarious ways.
I think that certain humanlanguages are more natural.
I think other human languagesare more abstract.
I think English is an abstractlanguage.
I think it's very human.
(01:00:10):
It has to do with humantechnology and human society,
and I think that's fine.
I think that there's languagesthat are more like the language
of trees.
I'm not Jewish by blood, butfor some reason I have this deep
intuition that Hebrew is.
A natural language, one of thelanguages that's closer to the
(01:00:33):
language that nature itselfspeaks.
The way that DNA is encoded, orRight.
I have a way that I think thateverything was encoded into the
Big Bang.
I have a theory about howeverything was encoded into the
Big Bang.
What language was that writtenin?
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Are these videos on your YouTube channel the
concepts that you're describingright now, coleman?
Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Yes, to some degree.
Whereas those videos are veryreligious, they take a very
religious angle.
I don't think they have to.
What we're talking about ismore.
You could make a scientificcase for everything I'm saying.
I just so happen to be veryreligious minded, so that's my
(01:01:18):
outlet for talking about thesethings through a religious lens.
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
As you mentioned, infinity oneness and the lower
levels.
It reminds of the toroidalfield.
You got a visual of the toroidalfield of the energy of an
individual, of an apple of earthgoing up and then starting over
at the base.
Then you said the baser levelsare closer to oneness.
I go to the model of businessand real estate is one of the
(01:01:44):
best businesses to get into forsustainable, scalable income.
That's because it's real estate.
It's finite.
Then, finally, you mentioned aswell the pulsing or flickering
of light could encodeinformation.
There's certain healingmodalities and technologies out
there that use flickering lasersor flickering information
(01:02:07):
that's encoded to do things suchas heal individuals, organs,
scar tissue, activate higherlevels of consciousness, create
and stimulate stem cells andthings of that nature.
This is an area of futuristictechnology that I feel like
you're on that path.
(01:02:28):
You're on that journey.
You've created some videos thatwe're excited to share and
we'll share in the descriptionwhere they can find that.
How are you taking all of thisinformation and this certainly
multi-subjects, renaissancescholar-esque approach to
reality?
(01:02:48):
What is your current expressionof that right now?
What are you working on thatreally lights you up?
That is related to all of this.
Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Because I have a ton of experience in the music
industry.
I would like to find a way tocreate music that is in
alignment with natural language,some kind of software update.
I like sound healing, I likesoundbaths and stuff.
I think I've gotten a lot outof those.
But I'm talking about somethinga little different.
I don't actually know what itis yet, I don't know what it
(01:03:20):
sounds like, but music thatdoesn't pander to emotion, but
actually gives you somethingfeeding you, like drinking water
or sitting in the sun.
Maybe there is something withyeah, okay, so that's one thing.
Yeah, what is my messaging?
What are the words I'm saying?
So music is a big thing.
Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Are you looking for collaborators in that space, or
how can our readers support youin this journey?
Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
Yeah, if you are in any kind of sonic realm
podcasting, guided meditationjust have something you want to
say poetry, spoken word, or amusician, an instrumentalist I
want to put a lot of variouselements on this album,
different sounds that youwouldn't necessarily expect on
an album, so you could reach outin that capacity.
(01:04:10):
I love collaborating so realquickly.
I'll dive into the tech side,dive into the shallow end of it.
I have a lot of evidence thatnatural language, like all of
this programming that we weretalking about, like how a tree
has a seed, like where's theseed of the universe right?
(01:04:32):
Like where's the twodimensional code for, like
reality, I have a lot ofevidence that it's encoded into
the number pi, which is perfectbecause that is related to the
circle right.
So if everything's cyclical,then where else would this
information be encoded?
And this really elaborate systemof decoding pi through the
(01:04:57):
Hebrew language, and if there'snot a futuristic technology
associated with it, it's atleast very entertaining and I
think it's very fun andadventurous, and I think that
there is some industry in thefuture that has to do with
taking the digits of pi,converting them into computer
(01:05:20):
language and having VRexperiential experiences with
this other dimension.
What's interesting is, I foundthings that I think are like
cures and solutions to bigproblems in this number as well,
so the entertainment angle isjust one thing.
It's almost like anotherfrontier.
It's like discovering a planetor something that's massive.
(01:05:43):
This project, using AI andsimulations in general to plant
this pi seed until a digitalsubstrate and see what grows out
of it, is something I've spentyears working on and I'm just
like at the edge of what I cando on my own, and so that's
another place where I'm openingup the invitation for
(01:06:04):
collaboration, insight andendorsement of any kind.
Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Amazing, and how can people reach out to you?
What's the best way to contactyou about either project, the
music collaborations or the piAI healing technologies project?
Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
My personal email is the best way, and that is
Coleman Trap at gmailcom.
Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
And where is that incredible information that you
shared, with your perspectivesabout pi and reality?
Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
I have just the tip of the iceberg on this YouTube
channel.
It's called Digital Archaeology.
I think one of the earliestvideos is called Hebrew as a
programming language.
The earlier videos have wayhigher production quality.
I would spend like 150 hours onthe earlier videos and then
later on I would just jump on myiPad and make a video in 10
(01:06:59):
minutes, so you get a hugespectrum of production quality.
But yeah, it's on.
That Digital ArchaeologyYouTube channel is where a very
small amount of this informationis.
Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Amazing.
While I look forward to seeingmore videos and content about
your perspectives on reality,coleman and Clifton and I have
watched some of those earlyvideos that you're talking about
and I'm like, oh my God,there's so much in here, there's
a lot and so much upgradesinstalled in the process of
watching them that you may noteven understand how to verbalize
(01:07:34):
or repeat what I just heard.
But I know on a cellular levelsomething was upgrading when I
was watching those, so that wasreally cool.
I really appreciated watchingthem.
Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
So inspiring, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah and same for the listeners.
Hopefully this resonated withyou, either consciously, or it's
planting seeds within you.
We covered so much aboutreality with Coleman and it's
been such a pleasure to sit withyou and share with the
listeners your reality, yourprojects, what you're working on
(01:08:09):
and I know myself in thisconversation was enriched and
had a few of those synapticconnections connected.
So I really appreciate youbeing on the show.
And once again, he can bereached at Coleman Trap and
that's two P's at ColemanTrap atgmailcom.
Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Awesome.
Thank you all for tuning in andlistening today, and we'll talk
to you next time.
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