Immersive Experiences, Entrepreneurship & Community Building with Ely Beckman (Glassy)

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FOTF - Victoria (00:00):
Welcome to the Startup of Human Potential.
We're your co-hosts.

FOTF - Clifton (00:03):
I'm Clifton.

And I'm Victoria.

And together we're Faces of the Future.
Faces of the Future is astartup studio with a personal
development platform at theintersection of consciousness,
connection, innovation andwell-being.
We're excited to have you joinus on our show today.

And today we're excited to be joined by Ely
Glassy Beckman.
Thank you so much for coming onour show today For our
listeners.
A little bit of backgroundabout Glassy.
He goes by Glassy.
He comes from a music andarchitecture background, fashion
and digital marketing.
He's a visionary serialentrepreneur in web development

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app development.
They've onboarded about 400,000people into the Web3 space and
held the largest NFT-orientedclub on Clubhouse.
And for the last year and ahalf he's been focused on
building systems to close thefunding and resource gap for
entrepreneurs very much inalignment with our mission at
Faces of the Future as well.
And that gap includesmentorship and access to vetted

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professional resources and more.
And we'll talk a bit about hisdifferent organizations Glass
Haus, the Immersive Agency andVenture Studio.
Continuum, which is the privateentrepreneur's network focused
on blockchain, ai andedutainment, and Moonriser,
which is the media arm tellingthe story of the builders.
So thank you so much forjoining us.

(01:25):
Really excited to have you on.

Ely Beckman (Glassy) (01:27):
Yeah, pleasure to be here.
Thank you so much for invitingme on.
Really love the format that youput together and it was
wonderful to meet each otherface to face.
It's nice to start there.
I think so many of ourrelationships nowadays it's
whether it's Twitter or Telegramor whatever it might be, so
it's great to have collided.
It really felt like that inreal time in the real world
simulation, and really great tobe here Also.

(01:49):
What a nice summary.
I'm like I'm going to have togo back to the recording and
write that down, because, asI've heard, it.

Thank you, Thank you.
Yeah.
So we met at the Breatheconvention in Las Vegas, a
convention around emerging techand how it's disrupting every
industry, and Glassy came up toour booth saw our banner said
Quantumpreneurs.
It was like, yeah, I get that.
High performers, entrepreneurs,I'm all about that stuff too.
So from there it organicallyevolved into meeting again in

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the digital space, continuingthe conversation.
So I'm excited for what we havein store for our listeners
today and, Clipton, if you couldkind of steward the rails of
the conversation, becausethere's so many different ways
it can go.

So just to present.
We just found out that he is aprojector as well, so we've got
another three projector episodeheaded your way.
So just heads up.
This might get into some deeprabbit holes or go deep
somewhere and all over the place, but, with that being said, I
think it's such a clearalignment on so many levels of

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what we're doing in our venturestudio and what you have put
together and really just anecosystem approach as to how to
create the most joyful,high-functioning ecosystem to
bring us into this new world.
And so we can startchronologically and then see how
that opens up.
But it's not every day.
You wake up and have multipleprojects or multiple companies.

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How did this happen?
How did our listeners get up tothis point?
I mean, you're in a room withincredible creativity behind you
, but have you always beencreative?
Have you always had many?
This happen.
How our listeners get up tothis point.
I mean, you're in a room withincredible creativity behind you
, but have you always beencreative?
Have you always had manyprojects?
What's been going on?

I've I've said, I've always had a bit of a
crippling ambition, being likeI just had this sense, like we
can do it all, there's nothing,like we don't have to be held
back by anything.
So I have a tendency of findingreally interesting people and
saying yes.
After 20 years of being anentrepreneur, the power and
value of no and I think even anypast co-founders and friends

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they say that's actually one ofmy better qualities is my
ability to say no.
But just in general, I havemany passions.
This is actually a quote from afriend of mine.
Well, if I had only one interest, my life would be very simple
and straightforward.
But I have very many interestsand so my life is quite complex
and that's just kind of myburden to bear.
But a lot of that comes justout of ambition and also, I

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could say partially out ofseeing the interconnected nature
of things.
I don't necessarily draw such afirm division between one and
the other.
I see very much how theyinterlink and how one affects
and benefits the other, and so Icould say too, like part of the
discussion could also be likefrom inward to outward.

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That might be an interestingdirection, the one hand being
like the self and the mind, theother kind of next level being
like clothes and our identityand how we present ourself,
eventually thinking about likearchitecture and the places and
spaces that we inhabit, and then, on a larger scenario, even
zooming out.
So you're talking about cityplanning, zooming out even
further, you're talking aboutwhat are the interconnected

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nature of relationships and howpeople connect, and, when it
comes to being an entrepreneur,first of all, how many different
things you need to be able tobe good at in order to succeed.
I think that's a staggeringthing.
It's like the number is wayhigher than it really makes it.
It just makes it unrealistic, Ithink, for a lot of people to

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accomplish all of thosedifferent things, and so we need
to connect with other humans,and so the need of connecting
with other humans then presentsthe next level of need, things
like connecting with the righthuman, the next level of need,
things like connecting with theright human.
Where am I going to find them?
What am I going to say to themwhen I find them?
To actually start buildingmeaningful relationships, to
drive this whatever it is visioninto reality.

Wow, that's fascinating.
What brought you to observe theinterconnectedness of things?
Is it a visual, consciousawareness?
Is it more?

knowing.

I think it started in architecture school,
where they encouraged thingslike exponential ideation, like
this isn't what I was expecting,but they had us oftentimes
looking at natural phenomena andnatural systems and
organization and drawing fromthat principles that we then
would put into our designs andprojects and that.

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So I think it's really startedthere and then I think it really
crystallized in my own uhencountering of tibetan
buddhists and from side ofengaging, uh, tibetan mantra and
practices that kind of cemented, that's like more of a knowing
rather than like just a concept,like no, there truly is, like
all things really are linked asyou're sharing, about observing

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natural systems and how thatflows into architecture.

I was picturing the work of gaudy, barcelonian
architect, with the sagradafamilia and how everything is
nautilus, shaped and followingthe organizing principles of
nature, how it all exists outthere and thinking outside the
box.

Yeah, they look like they're grown.
It's like here's a print, likeBrad, just like, oh, here's a
box, and then we built this nextto it, like his work seemed to
have grown, as if it was fromnature or like with these kind
of fractal patterns.
Yeah, exactly.

And I think, that applies like.

From my standpoint, that same concept
can be expressed in many ways.
I think that's a lot of it too,and part of the interconnected
nature of things is it'sexpression or emanation.
It's like one thing may haveall kinds of different
expressions.

Yeah.

Talking about really high level concepts
like sovereignty or equity.
The way that can be expressedis so expansive, whether that be
in a conversation, whether thatbe in like branding, collateral
, or whether that be in likeguiding principles for how
people operate, build theirbusinesses, interact with each
other, design, governance Likeyou can start naming almost

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everything and you get thisgiant list, but they're all
really stemming off a centralconcept of one sort or another.

Awesome, let's ground that.
Let's talk about those centralconcepts.
What are some of thoseorganizing principles that you
have observed, either in natureand architecture, and ecosystem
design?

One beautiful parallel is like the
idea of mycelial networks andthe idea that there's an
overabundance of all things, butit's not necessarily.
There might be clumps of ithere, or abundance of certain
nutrients in certain parts ofthe forest and it might be just
a little further than the rootscould reach of that specific
tree that needs that nutrient.

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So these vast mycelial networksthat actually have an
intelligence connect todifferent organisms and
transport nutrients accordingly.
For me that's like the perfectmetaphor for a way to build
laterally among differentspecies that each of them may be
strong, but by having this kindof interconnected network now

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you're actually able to dosomething of a logistic nature
of actually transporting.
So I think what we're doing ina lot of ways is kind of
informed and parallel to thatsame expression of what we need
is certainly here.
We just might not know theperson that has it or we might
not have the relationship,equity or the relationship and
trust or way to have the wordingto even communicate what our

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idea is.

Yeah.

A lot of steps to that, but anyway,
through that whole processyou're actually able to even
successfully do the phenomena tocommunicate.
That means that two differentpeople need to have enough
shared experiences so that whenyou speak, your word is popping
in my head and mapping out thesame picture that's in your head
.
That's a phenomenon.

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We over expect that when wetalk, everyone knows exactly
what we're saying.
It's almost far rarer the case.
And when it comes to a businessor entrepreneur, that's so
critical that your meaning isbeing expressed clearly and that
there is trust that being builtover time and that through that
process, like the mycelialnetwork, that we can make

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agreements, that we can havecross organization structures to
transport key resources.
Yeah, mentorship, sometimesthat's insight and experience.
Sometimes you're just in asituation that you're not often
in oh, now we have a biggerinvestor, or now we have to deal
with jurisdictions or anynumber of things.
And how are we going to dealwith that?

(10:07):
Well, if you had access to theright mentors, then they swoop
in and, like an adjust in timescenario, they can come in
school, you, with their maybedecades of experience to give
you that you know, sharpen yourpencil on that exact area.
So sometimes it's information,sometimes it's resources, like
capital.
It's things like who am I goingto hire?
Or that could be vendors oremployees or partners.

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How am I going to get my wordout there?
How am I going to get exposure?
These are all key things thatrelate to both communication,
shared resources and thelogistic of actually
accomplishing what I wouldconsider maybe the finest art or
the most difficult art, beingthe art of business.

Yeah, an expansion, as you're talking
about, like putting theresources in the mycelial
network and having it flowthrough to where it's supposed
to go and permeate throughoutthe globe, and it's perfect
metaphor for what you've builtwith your different companies.

To have exposure.
Even if you have a ton of moneyand hire expensive marketing
firms or whatnot, you stillmight not get.
There's not like an exposurebutton.

If you could share some of your stories of
helping onboard over 250,000people into Web3, what were some
of the lessons?

Curiosity.
I think that a lot of it wascuriosity among a very diverse
group of people that seem toalso have a tremendous amount of
time on their hands.
A lot of it was curiosity amonga very diverse group of people
that seem to also have atremendous amount of time on
their hands, a lot of time ontheir hands that are very
curious, and maybe a lot ofmisfits I'd say I'm only saying
misfits like, I think, a lot ofaliens.
We know how to fit in but wedon't really feel like we belong

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, like there's a lot of thatfeeling with us the perfect
storm.
There's a lot of that feelingthat's the perfect storm.
And then, plus a new platform,new-ish platform, which was
Clubhouse at the time that wasoperating on invite only.
So now I'm trying to sayrelationship equity, that's
involved, because you can't evenget into the platform if you
don't know someone that's there.
And then once they bring youinto the platform, they're

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semi-responsible for you,because if you like, misbehave
and get kicked out, I think theygot kicked out too.
Like it was that kind ofsituation like accountability.
There was a social thing ofpeople inviting each other.
They also invited nicheindustries so really strong film
presence.
There was a really strong musiclike, so you could say, the

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culture makers of the world at atime of pandemic when everyone
was essentially grounded andlooking for something to do.
Now, what is the most fun thingto do as an adult, essentially,
is to meet generally meet newpeople, meet people that have
the answer to the to thequestion that you've been asking
a social audio format.
People had the opportunity toask questions and hear the

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answer, and here, withoutjudgment.
On the one hand, it was likethe visual judgments that we
always have, like oh you'repretty, you're too young, you
know, like all these things thatwe immediately jump to.
So you have no visual but justaudio.
You can hear the authenticityof people's voices.
And somehow, with that plus analgorithm, we were able to

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essentially have 500 to 1,000people a day for any session
that we were running and a verywide stream of new audience on a

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regular basis and a very highspring up and like fast motion,
like claymation, like you'rejust fast forwarding the whole
thing, and like these rapidcommunities were able to be
grown because and even the buildup of it and the kind of the
pullback from that platform, inparticular as they made certain
decisions and opened up theplatform, some of the simple
changes that they made you couldsay kind of ruined pullback
from that platform, inparticular as they made certain

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decisions and opened up theplatform, some of the simple
changes that they made you couldsay kind of ruined the platform
.
A lot of people left and sothere was a special time that
doesn't exist there or maybemany places still, but it just
goes to show when you do havethat alignment of people people
with time on their hands becauseit wasn't just me that educated
400,000 people there wereco-hosts that were running rooms

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.
If I was running them 10 hoursa day, someone else was running
other rooms five hours other.
If I was running the morningroom, someone else was running
the afternoon.
It was a host of people thatprobably, if they knew each
other, or as they got to knoweach other, they realized like
are we really, do we really wantto work together?
Maybe not, but in this littlemoment of time where you had no
judgment, you had curiosity, youhad questions being asked and
answered through, that is how wegot to those kind of numbers

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organically yeah, and it was atime when the world became very
passionate and tuned into what'sgoing on in web 3 and crypto as
well.

2020, 2021, the bull market that's beautiful and
and that's actually part of theprocess we run people with in
the foundries.
We talk about different levelsof manifestation and talking at
the highest level, like everyonewants abundance or peace or
good health, things like thatbut the difference is becoming
the nuances of grounding it moreinto the physical 3D realm and,

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exactly as you said, once youstart to interact with people
and have conversations, thatthose more refined levels of
distinction, ofthree-dimensional roles,
responsibilities and actuallycreation, that's when the
fragmentation might occur andpeople go in different ways, you
know similar vision, butdifferent pathways to get there.

The boundaries are progress for grounding
business concepts and businessideas from more macro and full
alignment to more specificityand roles, responsibilities, as
Clifton just mentioned.

So I just wanted to chime in and presence that
and so, taking that metaphor,what happened or what did you do
after all the lessons and thegrowth from Clubhouse?
How have you continued toground that down into what
you're doing now?

Well, the first thing I did was try to
recreate it on Twitter and thealignment was just different.
You don't have the same pieceson the board.
You don't have the same algo.
You know even the same people,the same content, the same
programming.
Like so much of the same we got.
We're going to just redo whatwe just did.
Nope, copy paste Further pastthe pandemic.

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No, no support, if anything.
That felt like the opposite.
I'm like this censorship feelsfamiliar and we just did it
relentless.
They're like oh, be consistent.
Right, I was saying that.
How do you, how do you besuccessful?
I'm like consistency, clearly,well, consistent as the dickens,
even after like 250 consecutiveshows, monday through friday,

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two to three hours, and it wasgreat.
We got everything recorded.
There was like still new lifefrom that, but it didn't grow
into the entrepreneurialcommunity that I had expected.
Yeah, different app, differentanimal, different game.
It's like you might be the bestsoccer player in the world, but
then you go to play football oryou might worse, cross sport
metaphor you might go to playbaseball and you just are

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terrible.
You're like you might be greatat shooting a basketball, but
you cannot hit that baseball tosave your life.
You know that might be thesituation anyway.
We we carried the communityforward.
That like just rawdetermination and a lot of
lessons learned.
Uh, also, I think a lot of ittoo is respecting how powerful
an algorithm can be, like youdon't know how good you have it
until you have it bad for awhile and then you're like oh

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damn algorithm could actuallysave humanity or keep us up, you
know, actually like turn theone that have real messages into
only getting those messagesheard by echo chambers, versus
actually getting them heard by aglobal audience of people that
were so I hate to say the worddesperate, but we're just so
thirsty for that knowledge, justso thirsty to know about what

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is the nfc, what is a blockchain?
How does it?
How does this even work?
What are these gas fees like?
What is an NFT?
What is a blockchain?
How does this even work?
What are these gas fees Like?
How do I use a bridge?
Why would I need to use abridge?
What is an L2 versus an L1?
A lot of fundamental stuff.
And it was funny because in theearly days we would always
circle back around like a waveand then it would get so complex
into like account abstractionor like something so complex,

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and then someone will come onstage and just ask a question
like yeah, but what is an nft?
And then it would start thiscycle around and I swear that
went on for like a year.
That go like, spun, like circlearound for about a solid year
maybe, maybe a bit older, evenmore than that.
But that's where Glass Haus wasborn, originally as an
accelerator.
To answer and get backanswering your question, um was
launching this acceleratorcalled Glass Haus to carry a
group of artists through amulti-month program of
developing somethingcollectively.

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I'm like we got a hundred of ustogether.
We couldn't fail.
That's what that was my thought.
And we did 144, 150 people orsomething signed up for the
accelerator.
We carried a bunch through.
There was definitely fall off.
Over the months we built a storyworld and from that another
brand was born, actually twobrands, one being the Glass Haus
name, which brought in a lot ofclients and was dealing with

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the client services.
Because I'll tell you something, when you have a thriving
teaming, community gatheringevery day and naturally occurs
from that is entrepreneurscoming up and saying what is it
going to take to get in front ofyour audience?
Can you help me launch aproject?
You're answering all thesequestions for free and building
community and doing these kindof like public service things.
But can we hire you, help uslaunch our projects?

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And that's really where GlassHaus got its footing clients and
helping launch projects, thethe multimillion dollar, you
know, drops and successes underits belt.

Wow, this is amazing and this is like from a
fire hose we're drinking andit's awesome.
I love it.
I just also want to presence afew really powerful things that
hopefully our listeners caught.
One is you had incrediblesuccess on clubhouse and then
you took that same model and youapplied it to a different
platform and didn't haveanywhere near the amount of

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success.
Correct this idea of, oh, beconsistent on social media, be
consistent, and you're basicallysaying you were consistent and
the results weren't there.

We spend hours a day.
You know what it is.
Being consistent doesn't helpyou if you're consistently doing
things that aren't helping you.
Yes, that's such a great point.
We had value, but it wasn't thecommunity growth that we were
aiming for.
We're like aiming for unitygrowth and we got an incredible
growth of content and, not tosay rooms, didn't get any

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audience.
We were growing.
Sometimes we would hit 150.
We would hit some hundreds,sometimes we would break into
the thousands, but it wasinterfitting and growing.
Sometimes we would hit 150, wewould hit some hundreds,
sometimes we would break intothe thousands, but it was
interfitting, and then sometimeswe would have a few dozen.
I'm like we're doing all thiswork and hours of prep and all
of these things, inviting guestsin.
Yeah, when you're doing live,it's different.
When you do a podcast, itdoesn't matter how many people
show up because you canbroadcast and syndicate and all

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these things, but in speakerformat or in live audio, you
want to invite people in.
That was another thing inTwitter, like people seem to
want to listen, although I guessI could thank Twitter in some
ways of refining my ability tomonologue.
We don't want to come on stage.
We're not going to come.
We're not going to come in andwe're only going to be listeners
, we're not going to be speakers.
So it just forces you more.
Wow, yeah, it's true, you, whatyou're underpinning is correct.

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Just moving over to a differentplatform, you're not
necessarily going to get thesame results and if you
consistent, but consistently notdoing the right things, then it
doesn't matter.

You're not getting 1000 a day, then you're
never going to move it to two or5000.
Wow, and then.
And so then, did you iteratehow you were showing up on
Twitter, or did you take it off?

We did a lot of things.
Probably the one of the thingsI didn't really.
You know, I don't even want togo down that road, but I didn't.
I didn't go on a lot of othervery popular spaces to get on
stage to shill our show.
I probably could do more ofthat.
I just didn't.
I'm like I don't know.
I like to move authentic andnatural.
That just didn't feel natural tolike, try to like shill what I

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was doing on other people'splatform, like we're, like we're
, we're doing it and we helped alot of people and there were a
lot of great stories and thearchive that we built was
incredible.
So that's where Moonriser builtinto actually being an outlet
as a media app and creating awebsite, moonriserio where we
can these?
Not only are there access toall those recordings from all

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those shows.
Yeah, so ongoing arts, liketelling the deeper story of
builders and maybe builders thatwouldn't be able to otherwise
get exposure that's part of myexposure has been so hard.
What if we made that a publicgood?
Like?
What if we make public good tofind great stories of founders
that might not have millions andmillions of dollars to burn on

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marketing but are buildingincredible protocol level
solutions or whatever it mightbe, and so that's where
Moonriser essentially evolvedinto more of a web platform and
less of Twitter spaces andexpecting a Twitter community.

Okay.
So then you took it into sortof your own hands off of the
algorithm of Twitter and createdyour own community and you
applied certain lessons that youlearned through the stages of
the massive growth of clubhouseto the what's going on with
Twitter, to your own creationand community.

I think it's easy to underestimate the
variables at play.
Oh, doing all these same things, and then why is it not working
over here?
You're underestimating so manythings of like how we were.

Like the world opened back up again and people
With variables of like.

How is Twitter going to see me?
Like, how are the bots and thealgorithm of Twitter going to
see me?
I wasn't thinking about that, Ijust jumped in.
Now I'm with all the D-gens inTwitter, thinking like, oh, I'm
with the collectors and theD-gens, but like next I probably
through that process of gettinginvolved in certain collections
, promoting those collections,getting a lot of followers from

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different NFTs that I washolding and buying, and those
kinds of situations.
I'm I'm fairly confident inretrospect, what I essentially
was doing was telling all thealgorithm hey, look at me Like
I'm a DJ and like all I careabout is NFTs, like all I'm
doing.
You know what I mean.
Like I was giving it the wrongsignals.
I wasn't coming into this newplatform giving it the signals
to say I'm a thought leader, Ihave something to tell this

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specific audience, with theentrepreneurs focused on web3
and blockchain.
Like if I was coming in withthose signals right from the get
, I would have likely had vastlydifferent results.
But that's retrospect.
But again, just that simplevariable of like.
How are you communicating withthe platform that you're in?
Uh, specifically, like thewords you're using and the
messages you're using and howit's going to track you forever,

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or six months of trying to dosomething different before it
puts you in a different category.

Yeah, I love how you're connecting this with
what you talked about at thebeginning of being that mycelial
network to be able tocommunicate with certain people
or coaches.
It almost sounds like you'relike a coach to speak to the bot
or to the algorithm.
It almost sounds like you'relike a coach to speak to the bot
or to the algorithm.
Yeah, like the algorithmwhisperer.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure it out.
I'm more like the person thatonly knows English, but I got
dropped in like Madrid and likeeveryone speaks Spanish and I'm
like using hand symbols to tryto figure it out and I think
that you're not alone.

I think a lot of people are trying to understand
how to play in this, in theseworlds.
And the algorithms and you knowthe classic is Google algorithm
they always change it every sooften, so you think you got
something, but now you got moreto learn and adapt.

Yeah, one of the previous guests on our show,
sheree Alexander, who wastalking about presence based
marketing, how some people arereally good at the algorithm
thing, so they know how to dothat social media thing, and
then there's other people whoare really good at the presence
thing.

Yeah, I'm on the presence side.

I would say, we are too.

Cool other things that happened was all
right.
I was talking about peoplemeeting each other without
judgment.
I don't know I'm not even goingto go down the thing of all the
different judgments that wemake every day, biases that we
have whatever it is too short,too tall, hair is too long,
whatever it might be.
So people started to getfamiliarity.
They knew each other's voicesbecause they were listening.
That's probably another.
People don't often do talk, butdo we really listen?

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Now you're this new sense oflistening and pretty quickly it
came into a situation where westarted planning events to this,
spanning off your last mentionof presence marketing.
So we moved right into eventsand some of the best moments we
had was meeting people for thefirst time but feeling like you
had known them so long, feelinglike your biggest supporter or

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your brother from another motheror whatever it might be.
You know.
Just incredible human beingsand really diverse.
And it didn't take very long afew months before we were
planning massive series ofreally elaborate events.
That's where I shine.
That's one of the areas where Ishine is creating those events.
And then a lot of that comesfrom fashion and fashion shows
some of the hardest productionwork you can do, in my opinion.

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So from there it's like createreal experiences and then when
you're meeting people, you'rehearing their voice and now
there's familiarity and you'reso excited to meet people.
That's a whole vibe, as opposedto networking event where you
just walk in, you never metanyone, you never heard their
voice.
It's awkward, there's justsocial tension and friction you
haven't cut through yet.
So, yeah, present, I thinkthat's what it's all about

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really getting people togetherto really face face to face.

And these events .
You mentioned a theme ofdiversity and, compared to the
echo chamber, were these eventsan expression of that diversity
as well?

The first show we put together, the first
art show we put together, had 70artists in, I think, six
continents I don't even know howmany countries, but it was just
this massive uh ray of reallyhigh level artwork that was the
question of that.
The people that were there, thepeople that were involved, the
people that were helping movethe needle on things, uh, the

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people that were at the eventsthemselves and flying in from
all over the place Wow.

I remember when we connected on a call a couple
of weeks before this podcast,you mentioning some kind of road
trip tour of different eventsand festivals.
That's something of the futuretoo.

Yeah, there's actually a couple of
things.
One is, as part of Continuum,our private entrepreneurs
network, is that we're connectedwith a lot of event producers
putting CoinAgenda and a numberof others, so we use these as
regular, like periodic meetups,and so people might be flying in
to LA or flying in to Vegas orMiami those are our three main

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cities for these different typesof events and so, like about
once a month or so, we havethese as an opportunity for
people to actually meet face toface, bill whatever sign deals
you know help.
It's like an acceleratedmatchmaking opportunity.
So we've definitely carriedthat play, that play from the
playbook forward and keeprunning it, whether that be

(28:43):
activations or just simply beingpresent there or very, very
integral to actually producingthe programming of the stage,
like for we produce the digitalassets stage the whole two days,
like every speaker we were, wehad selected and curated and
we're side chats and everythingyeah, what is one of your

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activations?

that's like an immersive experience at the
event.

My favorite ones was one that we
did at Basel, that actually thatstory world project that I was
talking about, where we had allthe artists sign up for the
accelerator from Glass Haus.
We brought that out as astealth launch.
We rented five yachts and wehad five yacht captains drive in
succession the boats down theMiami River and along the river

(29:28):
we had AR exhibits placed on thebanks.
That was relevant to our storyworld, like we did, like a whole
river as if it was a naturalhistory museum.
And these AR were cited to say,like this building 3000 years
ago, housed like a temple of the, never related to the story and
it would.
Just so that was.

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Yeah, that was probably one ofmy favorite ones that we've done
.
That sounds magical, like theyall got tied together Yachts
together, everyone's justdancing and jumping and swimming
.
And then the sun went down andwe went on a little cruise and
it was yeah, it felt like youwere in a video game by
nighttime.

Wow and we went on a little cruise and it was
yeah, it felt like you were in avideo game.
By nighttime is like the bestthing in the world have level
experiences.
I was like we're in a videogame.
I just love how that thisprogression you sort of reduced
human experience to just voiceand then, through your journey,
you've gone all the way toarused events in an immersive,
transformative world, and I'dlove to hear, now that we've had
that through-line established,what's your favorite part of

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creating transformativeexperiences?

I think it's just the feeling you get
when you're there.
It's like the best feeling,it's like among the best
feelings, like real humanconnection, connection, like
doing something you haven't donebefore.
Also, it's almost immediately away that you're trying to do
something that's so difficult onso many levels, that it's like
pushing you past the point ofwhat's possible, yeah, pushing

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you point of what's likephysically, maybe even good for
you.
I can't even tell you by thetime it was the day of how tired
I was.
I was like I didn't just likepick what?
What flag are we gonna fly onwhich yacht?
I remember like looking in thebag, like I don't even have what
it tastes to just pick up thesefew flags right now, but
somehow you dig deep enough thatyou get past that.

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So it's like when I love thisone quote, I'll probably
misquote it, but it's like whenthe strength of a man runs out,
it's his will that sustains him.

Something along those lines.

And it's true, like you expose, like what
really matters, whatrelationships will crumble under
that level of pressure, whatpeople thrive or kind of rise to
the occasion, maybe find even astrength that they didn't know
they had.
So I think there's a lot oflevels of just, first of all,
doing challenging things, butwhen the details are right and
you're actually executing, youmight have been in pain the

(31:55):
whole time, but then, by thetime you actually get to the top
of the mountain step, wassomehow worth it.
And it's really the people.
It's like the life moments,that's what I call them.
What is the cost or what is theprice of a life moment,
something that you'll neverforget, like because of you and
the people that were there, likethe relationships were deepened
, or even if you never talked toyou just know that, no matter

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anytime you see them in thefuture, they'll never forget
either, like that wasn't like oh, it was another night at the
club.
You're like no one had anotherprobably day in their whole life
where they were on with thatgroup of people in that time
Like it was just a special time.
Yeah, people remember it andthere's just something about
that feeling that continues todrive me Like I want to make
more of those.
We had a track of trying tooutdo our Basel.

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That was actually during ourBasel, during like the VIP days
of our Basel.
So every year we're like, howdo we outdo ourselves?
But we already set the bar kindof high, we figured out.

Yeah, I can relate to your like when your
strength runs out, like, dig inand find the will.
I've been there many times forsure, and I know Clifton has as
well and sometimes, like in thatchaos, incredible magic can
happen is what we're seeing,with a lot of presence-based
experiences and immersiveexperiences like that.

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It's like when you come in withsuch a clear intention and
center of what you want tocreate from that experience, you
kind of harmonize and findthose aligned people and you
find ways to meet each other inthe crowds of chaos, the throngs
of people.
And you know experience that atBurning man, different
festivals, conventions.

Absolutely .
It's like going through abattle with someone Like the
relationships you build in thatcircumstance.
It's just different than likeyour circumstance.

Yeah.

It's a nice park.
You're like okay, oh, we'rehanging out at the beach.
You're like okay.
You're like, remember that timewhen we didn't sleep together,
like we didn't sleep at all, orlike, however long it was,
you're like, yeah, best times ofour life, like deeper
relationship.
It teaches you more aboutyourself.
That's part of your identity,that's part of your strengths,
like another badge of honor thatyou get to wear for yourself

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yeah those are all.
I guess that's just what's come.
Also, it's just crazy enough.
I'm like when you startplanning it, it seems like it's
going to be easy and then whenyou actually go to do it.
You realize if you knew it wasgoing to be that hard.

You would have said no expanding moments.
Yeah, at the breathe conventionwe originally got a 20 by 20
booth and then they were likehow would you?

guys like another space to double the size
it was 10 by 10.

10 by 10 originally.

And then, a few days later, you want that
doubled Like, just in case.

And then the weekend before.

They're like how do you want that doubled space,
doubled, you know.
So 4X.
We're like what that?

sounds great, but that's 4X the
printing, 4X the moving, 4X thebody.

So we had to rise to the occasion and do like
that accelerated expansioncalled up Dr Vibe.
We're like, hey, do you havemore Viber Acoustic Therapy Pads
for our immersive experience?
We have like our one boothplanned out.
Now we have two booths so wecould make what we want of it,
you know, just to create thatkind of rejuvenation station
experience for the conventiongoers.
So it was like we didn't sleep.

Yeah, we were in the car ride on the way to
Vegas and Dr Vibe was maybe notcoming.
You know, we had to convincehim and hold the note.

And that's really what I heard answer yeah.

And I swear that's when your will
really matters.
You're like no, I have the willfor this person to come.
I have more will for them tocome than they even have.

We're like your life will change if you come,
and I love what you said too isit brings relationships closer
that lean into that and itdemonstrates the strength, or
lack thereof, of otherrelationships that you thought
was close.
You know that trial by fire andwe have one client who she
continuously puts on theseevents that just seem to be that

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kind of expansive experiencewith ridiculous timelines and
like how is this at all gonnacome together?
And she's like it just does.

There's just some magic budget or like
minimal budget.

Yeah, I saw data or I I heard from
someone.
This is really just secondhandinformation, but they said out
of all the most stressful jobs,at least according to this one
particular poll, all this thehundred most stressful jobs in
america that event producerfalls number six, so which I can
kind of see like it is reallystressful.

Yeah.

And I felt like I hit a fork in the road
at one point where I was like,look, I'm gonna burn myself out
again.
I've already done this so manytimes as an entrepreneur.
I'm gonna burn myself out again, totally.
So I need to pick a left orright.
I have a fork in the road doubledown on events or double down
on consulting and theentrepreneur side but you can't
really do both and afterprobably six months of deciding

(36:53):
on the consulting arm, I waslike that was the worst decision
.
I should have stayed withevents.
That was like clearly thebetter way to go and sure enough
, that popped back up on theradar and it's been a pretty
consistent mainstay and I wouldsay probably the how can I say
this Like the best things thatare happening right now business
wise, because of relationshipsand people that we've met there

(37:15):
in person at these differentevents that are so wild, rather
than just tell, oh, I could justdo it on Telegram, I could just
do it on Twitter, or, you know,when you have those life
experiences, you realize it's solimiting to be audio only, it's
so limiting on other companies.
Algorithm, face-to-face eventscritical, critical part of how
we grow as entrepreneurs.

I'm going to let the algorithm of the
universe guide me.
Where am I supposed to go?
Who's supposed to find me?

I swear I'm home, I'm lazy, I live on an
island.
I don't even want to leave myisland.
I was like walk to the beachisland, I don't even want to
leave my island.
I was like like walk to thebeach, so like we walk a lot, so
we're it's not like we're lazythat we don't want to walk
around.
I don't want to drive otherplaces.
But then you go to eat Denver.
Suddenly you're like you're anoperative, you're like a secret
operative, like you have to useyour intuition, like all these
faculty have to come on onlineto be like in the right place,

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right time to meet the rightrestaurants, like every little
thing.
Suddenly your intuition, I feellike the matrix absolutely.

That's awesome, and this is a thread of human
potential, right, and ourpodcast, this is the startup of
human potential.
And so how do we continue tocultivate and expand on our
human potential?
And with that, I'm curious whatdoes human potential mean to
you?
I?

think I'd like to believe that it's a
potential to do thingspeacefully, that it's a
potential to do like to actuallyachieve harmony.
What did you use a great wordearlier I don't know if it was
congruence or just like being onthe same page or for, even if
you're not on the same page,that you have a way to still

(38:51):
coexist, like, I think, peace.
I think really like that, um,support, collaboration, advocacy
of each other, of one another,like actually supporting each
other.
Um, the idea of individualitywas like way over promoted and
more like we were talking aboutearlier, like inter
interdependence.
If it was a bit more focused onthat, I think we'd be further

(39:14):
and realize that the actions andchoices that we make really do
affect other people.
With the benefit of having thatexperience with Clubhouse and
the algorithm and growing thesemassive clubs and regularly
having stages of over a thousandpeople and of them, like every
single person was getting itCome speak, come speak.
It would be like hilarious.
We'd have hundreds of peoplethat unmic and speak at the same

(39:37):
time and yet out of that wecultivated a different sense
where people actually had tolisten so they knew when they
could speak without gettingmoved down to the audience you
know like, without getting movedoff the ability you know, not
being on stage and not beingable to speak.
You just saw literallymillion-dollar successes pop off
on a regular basis when peoplehad a voice, when they had an

(40:01):
ability to be on a stage witheven just a few hundred people
on a regular basis.
After about three to six months, that person had enough support
behind them for them to seepersonal prosperity it was a
prosperity machine.
The likes of I always dreamed ofbut didn't know if it was
possible.
Definitely hadn't witnessedbefore but then after that it

(40:22):
hasn't been the same, right,it's not every other.
Oh so.
And so broke a million dollarson their sales of their art or
so, and so this other group hadanother multi.
Literally, it was like milliondollar successes were happening
on a regular basis.
It was just the case of thematter and it just goes to show
what local support can do.
Even in the quantity of a fewhundred or a few thousand people

(40:43):
that would band together, howeconomic impact was able to be
achieved.
That's beautiful leverage.
But now it's not.
Now everyone suffers.
It's like if you guys would justget together a little bit more
support like a little less of areason why to go your separate
ways and this also occurred tosay earlier.
It's like when you have afamily like your brother might

(41:04):
do something you don't like andat some point you're like we got
to get over it.
Because we're blood, we'refamily, we have to get over like
but it.
But I think a lot of people onthe internet they don't feel
that.
They're like I could just runmy own separate way.
The slightest inconvenience orthe slightest friction, I'm just
going to go my own separate way.
Don't find that economicprosperity or social prosperity
of having more advocates andmore supporters and more ability

(41:35):
to get their artwork seen.
It's crazy and so basic.
You're like people aren'treally asking for like that much
.
Like, can I make some artworkand a thousand people see it?
We're not even asking for likea thousand people to go buy it.
Like, can we get out of 10,000of my followers?
Could I get even a thousandpeople to see what I post?
The answer is generally not,generally, no, that is not the

(41:58):
case, but the opposite beingtrue, that if they could, then
they would see that prosperityIf people leaned in even to the
quantity of a thousand peopleyou actually economies bursting
open.

A thousand true fans right yeah, I love, I love
this duality of you.
Know, the way in which therelationship is formed
correlates to the stability ofthat relationship in the long
haul.
So if it's a very quick ad oh,let me just add this person,

(42:31):
follow this person well thenit's a very quick add.
Oh, let me just add this person, follow this person.
Well then it's a very quickunfollow this person versus like
, oh man, we went through theringer here, we committed to
this experience and now we havethis deep relationship.
Then, hey, you know, you can beyourself and challenges may
arise in a relationship, butwe'll still have those ties.
That's a really potent thing,especially for coming together

(42:54):
in transformative technologiesand in communities, the
oversaturation of all thesepockets of community that you
can be a part of and then leavefrom, walk away from.
And so it's like how do youbuild a solid foundation of
relationships that you canactually have challenging

(43:15):
experiences to empower the shiftthat we're all calling forth?
So how are you incorporatingthat in all that you're doing
with Continuum and with just allthese experiences you've
cultivated?
Was your architecture programvery intense as well?
I know at you it was crazy.

We literally were up 26 hours a day
.
A regular night was sleeping ahalf hour before class,
literally under your desk on apiece of cardboard.
Wow, and that was just.
That was normal, like thatwasn't a a oh, this one crazy
kid does this.
It was like no, that was just anormal thing.

(43:56):
Wow, yeah, and so so?
Yeah, I should have answered itlike that.
You asked about ambition.
Yeah, they just trained uswrong.
They trained us to have moreprojects than we could ever
really handle, like.
The silver lining of that isfor you to know how to
prioritize and move thingsforward accordingly, because
life is being an entrepreneur isthere's so much chaos for you
to have to cut through.

(44:17):
It was just so much work.
Like.
We could have just had ourdesign class and that would have
been work to be up 20 hours outof every day, but we had five.
So there's four other classesthat also need 10 to 20 hours a
day to stay on top of that wasour, and it was a five-year
program.
Wow, yeah, brilliant out theretraining ground for sure.

(44:38):
Pp is so crazy.
I wouldn't just do that, I wasalso doing like extracurricular
launching company even then anddoing cultural events and giant
art shows and art and jazzevents where we bring musicians
and have art decked out all overthe club or the lounge or
whatever it is all over LowerEast Side and I don't know.
I was just doing a lot ofthings even while, I was in

(45:01):
school.

I'm curious, as you're sharing this, what kind
of cultivated you to that pointyou know about your upbringing,
like how many activities andschool and things you balanced
back then, because you know itstarts young.

It was just always an overachiever,
maybe under challenged, a highperformer I can say it like that
.
I learned easy.
I can say it like that I'm afast learner.
I was always a fast learner, soschool was easy, did really
well on tests and was alwayslooking for a bigger challenge,
and generally that was not metup until architecture school.

Whoa Okay.

This is even more than I was bargaining
for.

Yeah, I felt that way about high school.
I went to a specializedengineering and science and
technology high school and upuntil that point I didn't feel
super challenged.
And then I had all theseextracurricular activities on
top of that too and I honestlyexperienced my first burnout
back then in high school.

I think it took a solid decade to get over
college, like even just wow,patient and otherwise Wow.

Wow.
So you've had thesetransformative experiences.
Certainly architecture schoolfive years of it was intense.
Now you have these events,these pop-ups that come around.
What's next for you?

Well, part of it is wisening up a little.
So, instead of like being theone that's producing the entire
event, from the conception allthe way through execution, you
are leveraging the kind ofmycelial network, like they
would connect to the oak treesand they would connect to the
ferns.
So the process of that beingimplemented is with continuum.
We're connected with a lot ofevent producers.

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But then number six, moststressful job, you know, we'll
do the vip, bring all theinvestors, or we'll add to the
guest list, or we'll we'll addto it, add value and bring nice
amenities so that we can, firstof all, look out for our
membership and either givingthem discounts, getting them
into the right rooms, knowingthe right after parties to go to
those kind of things.
Um, again, with a high priorityof getting people face to face

(47:02):
and a high priority of buildingrelationships, events is just
something we need to be doing orintegrated with in one way or
another.
So the way we do that now isactually letting other people
that are experts and have thatentire focus do their focus and
we bring the additional layersof value.

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What's next?
It's interesting because someof the people I've talked to,
even in the last week or two,have reminded me about my bigger
mission.
I think in a lot of ways, I'vechanged how I talk about what I
do in order to be understandableto a wider audience or just to
more people in general.
So, instead of talking likebrain busting ambitions of like

(47:45):
wealth redistribution, I talkabout the resource gap.
Well, there's a resource gap,and then, instead of talking
about it for the whole world, Italked about it like for
entrepreneurs, even though it'sfractal system and again it's a
different type of an expression.
Your ambition really is wealthredistribution, is really
protocol level solutions,automation, leveraging the

(48:07):
technology and the culture thatwe have to bring about a more
equitable system or more equalsystem, a system where people
actually can gain access toinformation, that can gain
access to each other in terms ofthe right counterparts and that
could be done in an intelligentway, digitally and in real life
.
Uh, some of the new projectsthat probably don't even have

(48:30):
the clearance to talk about,necessarily, but to answer
question is to start expressingthis continuum, and this is part
of what we're calling forContinuum 2030.
By 2030, this is what we'd liketo see in effect is a real life
network where there's physicalbuildings and structures that
are tying together theseincubation kind of centers where
people in a living environmentcan tap into these resources,

(48:53):
much like we're doing that in adigital and virtual way
currently.
So, instead of just a moment oflike once a month or two days
out of the month to be at aconference, those entrepreneurs
that elect it that they couldactually live in an environment
where they're doing this,they're living and breathing it
and they're surrounded byresources and support to give
them the edge on launching asuccessful product kind of like

(49:13):
creating hubs or nodes indifferent spaces that have been
identified as big communityfollowings exactly.

I mean like live work situations yeah,
clifton and I ran a consciousentrepreneur, co-working,
co-living space for about threeyears in Topanga, just outside
Los Angeles, and yeah you, maybeyou could talk me out of it.
You're like, listen, don't dothat we engineer our lessons,
for sure, and all the differentnew beliefs that came from that

(49:45):
for how we would do thingsdifferently.
Just like you know, you learnfrom your experiences switching
over from clubhouse to twitterspaces and how some things carry
over, some things don't fullyso, but it's all about the
frequency and the culture thatis being cultivated in that type
of community, because, you know, several people could be
working on a similar mission,creating these nodes, but each

(50:08):
one has its own distinct flavorand distinct message and
offering and it'll resonate witha different type of community,
for sure.

Absolutely .
You know it's interestinghearing you speak.
It reminds me of a couple otherthings.
One is like what was I doingbefore blockchain?
Part of what I was doing beforetrying to learn about NFTs was
working with economicdevelopment associations,
working with chambers ofcommerce, working with the
regional economic development uphere in the Northeast and on a
state level, on a regional level, and really asking questions

(50:39):
like how do we build incrediblecommunities, how do we add
resilience and a sense of equityand all these things in real
life communities?
How do we restore main streets?
Other things, like even in mypersonal life with my family,
like really seeking and questingfor a quote unquote community.
We live in a place of eitherco-working or co-living or

(51:01):
whatever We've.
We tried so many things.
We went on a 10,000 milejourney to go visit all these
different communitiesintentional communities and
otherwise, from cows all the way, you know, all over the place,
earth ships and all these things.
And I'll tell you, out of allthe places we looked, we did not
find what we were looking for.
So they either we have to keeplooking and it's somewhere else.

(51:22):
Maybe it's in costa rica, maybesomewhere else, or um, or we
need to.
I think yeah, and I alsohomeschool my kids two of my
children- we homeschool andconnecting with a homeschool.
My kids two of my children wehomeschool, and connecting with
a homeschool community has beenprobably the first expression
since our little amazing clubBlip on the Radar, Probably the
first community of real life, atleast face-to-face real life

(51:44):
community, where I'm like, wow,here these other parents are
cultivating the same values intheir children.
Amazing, yeah, I don't know afew dozen families or something
like that, so it's not a massive, massive community, but even
still you're like, oh no, thisis it Like.
This is the look and feel andthis is what that thing smells
like.

Definitely.
That's exactly what a lot ofentrepreneurs do.
You go around and you try tofind the thing that you came up
with an idea to create and ideato create and you're like, well,
it doesn't exist.
Does that mean I'm?

supposed to create it?
That's another answer to yourearlier question.
Why am I building so manythings?
Because I looked for them and Icouldn't find them and I had to
just make it for my own.
I needed a hammer and I didn'thave one, so I had to make a
hammer.

Yep, nice, and how unique is that perspective?
Do you find that you attract alot of people in that similar
view of life, or I think it's avery rare quality.

I think, if anything, we're like
conditioning machines and we'rereally exceptional at one thing
which is being conditioned.
Yeah, and on our circumstanceand context and conditioning you
get our output Like.
that's pretty much that would bemy summary for humanity, and
most people haven't gone througha conditioning that would yield
them to think like an engineeror inventor, or they might think

(53:01):
like it.
They're like oh, I had thiscool idea, it just lingers.
But their real overridingconditioning is like seek safety
and find happiness in routines,and sameness is good and
difference is bad.
Like the little simple thinglike that, like even if they
think differently, like fightthem.
And I think to some degreethat's even biologically
programmed.
The conditioning can go ineither way.

(53:22):
Like there's, these kids arereally kind.
Like granted, they'll push eachother down, they'll play a
football.
It's not like no, it's perfect.
But someone sees that someoneelse didn't have a lunch and
they just their kid, theirparents, not even there.
They reach in their bag andthey're like hey, you want this.
Hey, johnny, you want this.
Like these are real kids,they're looking out for each
other.
They're like this is whathumanity can be like.

So yeah.

I'm driven by that.
I'd like to see more of that.

Yeah, that you're homeschooling your kids,
because that conditioning ispresent in schools, so you can
choose how to cultivate yourchildren rather than what the
default mode is.
And it's great to find acommunity of others that are
doing that very similar thing,because we're brought up with
that mindset that you justtalked about of like seek safety

(54:07):
, seek approval because we'retribal being.
Of like seek safety, seekapproval because we're tribal
being.

It's not the same, it's not good and
that's not.
That actually is the post, kindof mentality.

And.

I swear.
If you know, even withoutgetting out of the conspiracy
theories, it's become a handicapfor our evolution as a species,
whether it be for entrepreneuror be how we educate or like.
In my opinion, some of the worstthings that could ever happen
are war, and if wars arehappening, then we need to look
at the cause of those type ofthings and start reverse
engineering all the way down tohow children are raised, the

(54:39):
words that we're using, theimagery, the media, like it's a
culture-wide thing and it's aglobal thing, and we don't want
one culture and one thing, butwe do need to find a way to
coexist, like I'll just hearanother, whether that be among
five kids in a classroom or adozen kids or a hundred in a
clubhouse room, or a thousandpeople in a twitter space, or

(55:00):
whatever it might be.
Um, that idea of findingcommonality and finding a way
for people to have experiencesthat evolve them, like they get
to evolve, but it's not becausesomeone else is suffering or
being left out or being cut outof the picture, like so I guess
that's a lot of.
What drives me is just tocreate the framework that can
operate like that, withoutcreating a doctrine that forces

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people to do it one way oranother.
Playground, and then if youwant to go on the slide, you go
there.
If you want to go on the swings, you go there.
There, if you want to go on theswings, you go there.
But our playground is more likeif you need funding resources
over to the left, if you needmentorship over to the right,
awesome.

It very much sounds like your definition of
human potential earlier, aboutcoexisting and peace.
So what's the best way forpeople to connect with you if
they're an entrepreneur lookingfor resources or people wanting
to learn more about the Web3space?

Probably the top two channels that I
spend a lot of time on isTwitter at Glassy Music and the
same for Telegram at GlassyMusic.
Our key websites where you canget a ton of information, as an
entrepreneur, about our journey,about how to connect and just
build successful businesses, isour media outlet moonriserio,
just like it sounds,m-o-o-n-r-i-s-e-rio.

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Glass Haus is our venturestudio website and the immersive
arm of what we're doing.
The website there is Glass Haus.
It's spelled like the GermanBauhaus, so it's
G-L-A-S-S-H-A-U-S, dot I-O.
And for the private businessnetwork, the website there to
get more information isthecontinuumnetwork, so it's a

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dot network.
Is the domain, the ways ofgetting direct access.
There's contact there that willfind its way to my team.
That will definitely leaddirectly to me, but if you
wanted to reach out to mestraight away, twitter or
Telegram is a perfect way to dothat.

Awesome and any last words you want to share
with the listeners Before wewrap up.

I would just like to say thank you again
.
This is really probably thelast direction or conversation I
was expecting to have, althoughI don't know what conversation
was I expecting to have.
We do so much networking.
We usually spend the entireconversation just talking about
what you summarized in like 30seconds.
I was like, oh great, we gotthat over with.
Now we get to have a realconversation.

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So I don't have to give allthis background, so I just
really want to say thank you.
It's been a wonderfulconversation and I wish the best
to both of you.
I hope Faces the Future getssuch a huge following.
Just seeing how you hold thisspace and hold these
conversations, I'm eager to goback and look through some of
the archives, so I wouldencourage some of the listeners
to do the same.

Amazing.
Thank you.
Thank you, Glassy.

Well, thank.

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