Navigating Depths: Freediving, Men's Work, Ocean Activism, and the Joy of Discipline with Brady Orca

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As we navigate the currents of life, it's rare to find a soul as deeply connected to the ocean's call as Brady Bradshaw, our guest in this heartfelt exploration. 

Known as Brady Orca, this senior oceans campaigner and world record holding freediver plunges not only into the depths of our planet's waters but also into the crucial fight for marine conservation. 

Join us in this episode as we dive into his journey of becoming so passionate about swimming, the breath and the majestic diversity of the ocean.   

Learn how he took action on his passions through a career in activism that includes successful campaigns against the sale of shark fins and prevention of mass offshore drilling.  

And enjoy the unique connections we explore between freediving, men's work, leadership and the subconscious.

This conversation isn't just a surface-level chat; it's an intimate revelation of the profound impact our blue planet has on our lives and the intertwining of passion and activism.

Brady can be found on IG: 
@bradyorca

The Center for Biological Diversity can be found on X:
@EndangeredOcean 
@CenterForBioDiv

00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:22 Guest Introduction: Brady Bradshaw
02:52 Brady's Journey into Freediving
05:33 Brady's Childhood and Early Experiences with Water
16:12 Brady's Activism and Vision for the Future
24:09 The Importance of Indigenous Knowledge and Practices
29:13 The Impact of Cultural Wealth and Power on Ecology
31:05 The Value of Relationships and Individual Roles
32:11 The Importance of Hierarchy and Leadership
33:02 Exploring the Concept of Leadership Archetypes
34:50 The Role of a Good Captain
35:25 The Power of Enjoyment and Relaxation in Performance
37:05 The Journey to High Performance and Joy
38:26 The Balance of Discipline and Ease
41:12 The Power of Surrender and Acceptance
43:09 Exploring the Depths: The Ocean as a Metaphor for the Subconscious
49:23 The Activist's Journey: From Anger to Peace
57:00 The Future: Activism, Freediving, and Personal Growth

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Episode Transcript

Victoria Petrovsky (00:00):
Welcome back to the Startup of Human
Potential.
We're your co-hosts.

Clifton Smith (00:04):
I'm Clifton.

Victoria Petrovsky (00:05):
And I'm Victoria.

Clifton Smith (00:07):
And together we're Faces of the Future.
Faces of the Future is apersonal development platform at
the intersection ofconsciousness, connection,
innovation and well-being.
We're excited to have you joinus in on our show today.

Victoria Petrovsky (00:22):
And today we're excited to be joined by
our great friend Brady Bradshaw,or Brady Orca.
Welcome, Brady, Thank you.

Brady Bradshaw (00:30):
Thank you.
If I could make an orca sound,I would do it right now, but I'm
trying my best and that's whatI'm here to talk about.

Victoria Petrovsky (00:37):
Cool and much more.

Brady Bradshaw (00:39):
Thanks for welcoming me.

Victoria Petrovsky (00:41):
Awesome, excited to dive in with you.
So Brady is a senior oceanscampaigner at the Center of
Biological Diversity, working toprotect endangered marine
species from extinction andmarine ecosystems from collapse.
That's freaking awesome work.
And he has been successful inbanning the sale of shark fins
in the US and has blocked boththe Obama and Trump

(01:04):
administration from expandingoffshore drilling on nearly
every coastline in the US.
Also, he's a competitive andspiritual freediver who has set
four national records and he hasan exciting new venture he'll
talk about later in this episodeabout where that world
freediving is taking him next.

(01:24):
And he has investigated illegalfisheries while being
undercover abroad, which is anincredible story, and has
published a scientific articlealongside world-renowned
fisheries biologist, dr DanielPauley.
So welcome, brady.
It's an honor to have you onthis show.

Brady Bradshaw (01:44):
Thank you.
Well being introduced on apodcast, that's what's happening
right now.
That feels so nice to hearthose words.
And it's really fun to be withyou.
I'm excited.
I can tell there's a lot ofintention that's gone into
creating this and you are bothgreat friends and great humans,
so just want to share thegratitude right back.
I'm excited to talk with you.

Victoria Petrovsky (02:06):
Thank you, let's dive in.
I'm sure we'll use that pun afew times today because Brady's
a freediver, and let's get to it.

Clifton Smith (02:16):
So the story begins with our meeting each
other in a very serendipitousway.
Brady, catch the readers up towhere you are today.
Sometimes life just brings youpeople into your life, and
that's exactly what happenedhere.
We had a conscious, co-living,co-working space, and a mutual

(02:36):
friend on Facebook introduced us.
But what brought you to theworld of freediving and ocean
conservation?

Brady Bradshaw (02:44):
Oh my gosh, so many important moments here
encompassed in what you justsaid, and I think I want to
start with how I got intofreediving in the first place,
which was I was.
It's a journey of both, likeimpassioned activism and burnout
, which I think is a very commonthing in the activist world,
and then trying to find thingsthat served my well-being.

(03:07):
I had just run a campaign onthe east coast of the United
States fighting an offshoredrilling plan and we secured our
victory and I left to go startgrad school in Australia on the
Great Barrier Reef, which hadalways been my journey or my
mission to see the Great BarrierReef.
Before knowing the dangers thatare present and the impacts

(03:29):
that are happening to the reef,I always wanted to see it before
it died or I died.
Really glad I got there when Idid because it was in pretty
beautiful shape, but a lot ofpeople were saying it's not like
it used to be, but neverthelessI was just so fascinated by it.
I was there to study theecology on the reef and during
our breaks during my class Iwould see these shiny things

(03:52):
just a little bit deeper than wewere currently in our field of
study and I would just need tosee it and would just dive a
little deeper and a littledeeper.
And fortunately I knew how to,my body knew how to do that and
fortunately I had enough fitnessat that time to not kill myself
, because it's actuallydangerous to start freediving
without a certification and withproper safety methods.

(04:13):
But anyway, I loved it.
I actually ended up leavinggrad school to pursue that skill
and felt as though I was beingcalled to do what my body was
always meant to do.
It's such a beautiful thing toexperience.
I know it can be scary.
For a lot of people it cansound really scary and extreme.
What I was experiencing wasthis deep serenity and belonging

(04:37):
underwater, which was reallyreally special, beyond what I
had known before that point.

Victoria Petrovsky (04:44):
So this is before you got officially
certified to do freediving.
You're talking about how it'slike a dangerous thing to just
do on your own without propertraining.

Brady Bradshaw (04:53):
Yeah, before I was certified as one, I was
still in Australia on theOrpheus Island Research Station
is where I started doing it.
And then, once I got back intothe classroom back on the
mainland, I was like I justcan't sit here anymore and I
actually left grad school andtraveled to Mexico to start
training with a really talentedand spiritually based instructor

(05:15):
in La Paz, and that was thebeginning of my freediving
journey.

Clifton Smith (05:21):
Wow, but take us back a little bit, because how
did you get to the Great BarrierReef?
Was this something that yougrew up as a child around the
ocean?
What was that like?

Brady Bradshaw (05:33):
Yeah, I was actually just reflecting on this
because I had to write a littlebit more of a personal bio for
my teammates at work and I waslike, wow, ok, this actually
started Like I used to.
I grew up in Pittsburgh and Iwould always hold my breath
through the Fort Pitt tunnel andthen the Liberty tunnel, which
is actually, at one point, wasthe longest tunnel in the world.
Wow, so, I had this training asa kid because I had a

(05:55):
superstition that you had tohold your breath through tunnels
.

Clifton Smith (05:57):
Yeah, I remember that I used to do that.

Victoria Petrovsky (06:00):
Yeah.

Clifton Smith (06:01):
Is that a thing?
Yeah, I was enjoying it.

Victoria Petrovsky (06:03):
I didn't know about it.

Clifton Smith (06:05):
Yeah, you couldn't do that through your
New York tunnels with thetraffic, but you know if you.

Victoria Petrovsky (06:12):
I'd pass out and we'd call a code blue.

Clifton Smith (06:15):
Yeah.

Brady Bradshaw (06:16):
Yeah, you know, that's another thing that I like
.
I want to disclaimer,disclaimer.
Don't try these things at home.
But I realized that I used toretreat into the swimming pool
that was right across the streetfrom my house as like a
sanctuary.
And I find sanctuary now in mydiving and I was thinking back
to when I was really young.
I used to go touch the bottom ofthe pool and I felt really

(06:38):
special because I could, andbeing at the bottom of that pool
and the silence was so muchmore calming to me and I think
there's something reallyprimitive about being able to be
surrounded by water and silencecool like the coolness of it
that we really often miss, yeah.
So yeah, that started when Iwas about, when I was like just

(07:01):
early enough to swim.
And going back even farther, mydad was a swim coach at the
University of Pittsburgh and aschool by instructor, and he
actually used to throw me intothe pool when I was a baby to
demonstrate to his students thathumans are designed to survive
in water and that we all have itin us to just instinctually do

(07:22):
the right thing.
So I was his test subject.
He knew I'd be fine and Ialways was fine, so he would
just toss me in the pool and Iwould exhibit some of the
natural functions that humansare built with.

Victoria Petrovsky (07:34):
Wow, and that's the human potential right
there.

Clifton Smith (07:37):
We're designed to swim.
That's awesome.

Victoria Petrovsky (07:39):
Yeah, so much depth and tranquility in
your presence, brady.
It's felt from the word choicesyou're using to the way you're
describing the ocean, and we'llprobably get into a lot of more
ocean metaphors and depth andexploration and deep diving with
you.
So really awesome, great it'smy love.

(08:03):
I remember you sharing a storywith us when we used to live in
our co-working, co-living spacein Topanga, about how you were
training in high school and theytold you like, for whatever
reason, you didn't have thecapacity to be a diver or to
swim or something like that.
Do you remember what I'mtalking about?

(08:24):
Yes, could you share that story?

Brady Bradshaw (08:27):
Yeah, we're really taking a journey into my
childhood now.
Great.
I just visited my hometown, bythe way, and realized and have
been admitting to everyone justhow privileged I was growing up
and how that's something that Iwant to.
I've been starting to be morelike expressive about that.
I was extremely privilegedgrowing up and I got to reflect

(08:47):
on a lot of this childhood thatI had.
So I tried it a lot ofdifferent sports.
I never my dad never forced meinto swimming, even though he
was so passionate about it.
So I got into karate, soccer,football.
Skateboarding was a big thingfor me.
I ended up being like a bigskater punk.
So I took this big detour awayfrom my baby in the pool days

(09:09):
and got to get involved in allsorts of different activities.
And when I first realized Iwanted to join the swim team, I
went to the pool, jumped in thepool to have the coach check out
my technique and give me myprognosis, and he said you just
have to try another sport,You're just not going to make it
.
And my technique was prettyterrible, but my dad, I think,
handed me a what do you evencall those?

(09:32):
Like a V tape.

Clifton Smith (09:34):
VHS yeah.

Brady Bradshaw (09:35):
Yeah, vhs of this guy recorded a bunch of
technique videos and I watchedthem religiously and went to the
pool myself and just trainedfor like several months and got
to the point where I was in highschool.
This is in high school I got tothe point where I was skilled
enough to join the middle schoolteam and started, started

(09:56):
trying to overtake middleschoolers in my speed and like
progressed to the high schoolteam and just I just loved it.
The movement through the waterwas something that it just felt
like this beautiful dance beyondany actual dance I'd ever seen,
and it's a dance with the waterand a dance with the breath.

(10:18):
So I don't think I was likecommunicating about all this
stuff or communicating withmyself consciously about it, but
like my love for being in thewater and moving through the
water and letting air move inand out of my body and keeping
air in my body and letting itmove through my bloodstream and

(10:38):
you know, all of theseexplorations has just deepened
and deepened and I think it'sprobably never going to end how
beautiful the experience ofbeing immersed in these mediums
of water and air and theconsciousness bringing the
consciousness into the body.
I struggled a lot with asthmaand and, I think, called vocal

(11:00):
cord dysfunction when I was inhigh school, and so I was like
hacking up along on the side ofthe pool a lot of the time, and
I was also blessed to receivesome advice from a speech
therapist that how to breathefrom the belly and learned if I
wanted to go fast and crush itlike everyone was trying to do,
I had to also integratebreathing while sitting,

(11:24):
breathing while walking and theneventually breathing while
swimming into my belly and so,yeah, the whole thing.
I just feel incredibly gratefulfor being given the exact path
that I was given and that'shelped me a lot in my breath
control with free diving.
So it's often kind of part ofthe same training for life as

(11:44):
well.

Clifton Smith (11:46):
I love how your passion for swimming in the
water has been your consciousexpansion journey.
I've never thought of it withthat much intentionality of the
breathing and then enriching thebloodstream and the dance with
the water, but the way youdescribe it is so beautiful.
I could see how you have anauthentic love for that.

(12:08):
And it's palpable.
Thank you so much for sharing.

Victoria Petrovsky (12:12):
Yeah, I want to jump in.
Right now.
I was going to say yeah, it's90 degrees in Topanga today, so
maybe some of the listeners wantto jump in too.
Yeah, what you're sharing aboutswimming and feeling it like on
that cellular level, Ipersonally resonate with that
too.
I come out of the water renewed.

(12:35):
If I'm going through somethingchallenging emotionally or I
need to move through things,like when I'm moving through
water, I feel like I'm makingprogress and it's like a renewal
.
I really feel that too.

Brady Bradshaw (12:48):
Yeah, being in high school and going through
all the social chaos of thattime, like the water was always
a place to yell or let it outthrough the muscular movement.
I do think it's such abeautiful thing for that too.
And water is so absorptive.
This is fun fact.
The ocean has absorbed morethan 80% of warming.

(13:13):
We talk about global warming.
The ocean is absorbed over 80%of that heat.
So we are experiencing theseweird temperature events.
The ocean is warming even fasterthan we are expecting and I
think about if you're a chemistor physicists will talk about
the specific heat capacity ofthe water and how it has this

(13:35):
incredible ability to absorb.
So I do think there's all theseparallels between the water has
this, these ions that can helpus discharge energy from our
bodies and taken on so much.
We used to think the ocean couldtake on everything and this.
So this is part of, I think,the spiritual journey with water
too is that we have to like wetalk about.

(13:58):
I talk about mother ocean.
A lot of people say mother ocean, and it's like a metaphor for
the feminine and is the femininein so many ways.
It's a fluid, flowy body andfor a really long time men in
our culture have taken outthings on the feminine, not to
say it's all.
The dysfunction has been allwith with men in our culture,

(14:20):
but there's been this tendencyto believe that there's this
infinite capacity to take onmore and more, and so that's a
question I think I always haveis like when do we reach our
level of responsibility forcaring for that body of water,
caring for the feminine?
How do we do that?
When it's, it has the abilityto take on a lot?

(14:43):
These are some of theexplorations of metaphor and
energy that I think about whenI'm swimming, or some of the
experiences that I have with thewater that sort of teach me how
life is.

Clifton Smith (14:56):
Wow, yeah.
What comes to me is that Pixarmovie, the one where the song is
like the strong older sisterwho keeps taking on more and
more, and that song comes tomind, you're talking about
incanto.
Incanto, yeah have you seenthat one, Brady.

Victoria Petrovsky (15:17):
No, the older sister is like the strong
one and they're like how muchmore can she take on your
sister's older or she's stronger?
That's what you're talkingabout.

Clifton Smith (15:27):
Yeah, and she puts on a facade that she can
take on so much.
But it's really like crushingher, and I feel like that song
really brings in that metaphorthat you're talking about, brady
, about the ocean and aboutwater taking on the burden of
our society and basically how welive as a global system.
And you also talked about thatmasculine, feminine energy, and

(15:53):
I know that you've done a lot ofdeep work with men's groups as
well, and so I'd love to tie inall your love for water, your
diving, your activism.

Victoria Petrovsky (16:05):
Stewarding of water, yeah.

Clifton Smith (16:07):
Yeah.
What is that through line thatconnects all of this in your
opinion?

Brady Bradshaw (16:12):
Yeah, oh, my gosh.
I think that's the questionthat I'll be exploring, probably
for the next, I don't know,probably forever.
But I do feel like I'm in areally big process of
exploration with understandingthat this through line.
I am experiencing myself as athrough line.
I started doing men's work outof necessity.

(16:35):
I went to support a friend.
Initially I went to a men'scircle.
I was like, oh, my friend wantsme to go to this men's circle.

Victoria Petrovsky (16:41):
That's how it always starts.

Brady Bradshaw (16:46):
And then, as soon as I got there, I was like
oh I, oh, dang, I'm unfurl, I'mnot going to be able to not have
this in my life anymore.

Clifton Smith (16:56):
It was so potent and For some of the listeners
who are considering, who'venever been in a men's group.
What is it that you're talkingabout?
That was called for in yourlife.

Brady Bradshaw (17:07):
Yeah, I just remember being in the circle and
I remember thinking, oh no,this is going to be a disaster.
There's 30 men in this room, weonly have an hour, like
everyone's going to be talkingover one another, and I didn't
say anything in that firstcircle and it didn't matter,
because every single thing thatevery man said I felt deeply and

(17:31):
I felt that I was feeling, andI think most of the men who were
speaking up were doing socourageously and probably were
afraid to speak up because theyfelt like they were alone, which
is just so sad and powerful atthe same time.
There's so much work to be donejust to be seen by each other

(17:51):
and being community andconnection.
I also feel like men bring.
To answer the other question,we've been really careful about
my choice of words here.
Men have been culturally putinto a category of toxic almost

(18:12):
just for being men.
And I'm not saying, oh, men,have it so hard and all this.
I think there's somevictimization going on too.

Clifton Smith (18:23):
But with the eye right, Like a personal
experience, like I'm a man andI've certainly had those
instances right.
And I think if we personalizeit, maybe that can help with the
explanation.

Brady Bradshaw (18:38):
Thank you, and that's actually a great one,
because that's typically anagreement we have in the men's
circles is to speak from mystatement, which is wonderful.
So my experience is, havingbeen in a lot of activist
circles, I have felt a lot oftimes like it's time for me to
step back and listen, and Ithink that's so true.

(18:59):
And I've taken it to a bit ofextreme at times when I've been
like I don't deserve to speak,which can over time.
I think it's important to feelthat for a little bit and to
know what other people arefeeling.
And then it got for me to apoint where I had to relearn to
speak up, because I was beingasked to fill roles that would

(19:23):
require speaking up and using myexpertise that I've ported my
heart and soul into.

Clifton Smith (19:31):
Which is your activism, right?
You're not just speaking up ona small thing, you're talking
about a global thing.
So I just want to give thatcontext of what you're being
asked to step into and speak upfor.
So, yeah, keep going.
This is amazing.

Brady Bradshaw (19:50):
Yeah, I witnessed the BP oil spill
firsthand.
Wow, I remember watching thedolphins swimming through the
sludge and the pelicans thatwere trying to fly and were
never going to fly again, andthese things that were just so
like.
I think the first word thatcomes to mind is shameful and

(20:12):
just feeling so ashamed ofhumanity at that point in time.
And it took some years tointegrate.
But those are the kinds ofthings that, because I've seen
that and because I've had theprivilege to learn about marine
biology and to be able to use mytime to be involved in activist
campaigns, that it's myresponsibility to bring that

(20:35):
information forward and to bringthat awareness forward, because
people don't remember the BPoil spill as much as I think
they should.
It was horrific and should havebeen culture shifting for us
forever, and so that's the workthat I'm tasked with.

Clifton Smith (20:54):
And what's that vision of the future that you're
working towards?

Brady Bradshaw (20:59):
Yeah, the vision I mean I can start with the one
about the ocean, which is ahealing ocean, and I can explore
that vision in ways like thereturn of the basic kelp and
seagrass beds all over differentcoastlines, the native species

(21:20):
that exist there and the bottomup building of the ecosystems
and the fish jumping out of thewater that are way bigger than
they are now.
They used to be like thesemassive tuna, just the ocean
being really full of life and usexperiencing that level of
abundance again.
And also humans beingintegrated into that, like

(21:42):
seeing what's underwater andbeing related to what's
underwater.
And so my vision also includeshumans getting in that water and
actually interacting withmarine life and being a part of
the community and takingresponsibility for the
continuation of the life in thatcommunity.

(22:03):
And a lot of my work is donethrough like big policy level
stuff at the national level,like banning the shark fin trade
it's not allowed anymore in theUS.
It makes a huge impact and itmakes a huge immediate impact,
and so I think those are thekinds of impacts that we need at
this point, because they'rekind of an emergency situation

(22:25):
regarding the state of the ocean.
But eventually, what I'd like tosee is like a whole lot more
people taking these actions thatare really tangible, rather
than just like these policyexperts trying to intervene in
high level.
Immediate impact things likebanning offshore drilling is one

(22:46):
thing that needs to happenbefore we can start to show up
in the places that offshoredrilling is currently
threatening these massive spills, like I'm not going to build a
kelp garden there, or like helpbe a part of an underwater
permaculture thing there because, like it's very next day, it
could be ruined by a massivespill.
Are those?

Clifton Smith (23:06):
some of the more local, community, grassroot
things that you see is likebuilding a local kelp garden or
what are some of those examplesthat are grassroot For my
experience in newspapers andjournalism sometimes and this is
funny, coming for me, butsometimes etheric concepts are
so unrelatable that peopledistance themselves from that.

(23:31):
But if you can get them to feelit, to experience it like, your
story inspires me when I was acamp counselor on Catalina
Island and we would take BoyScouts and experience the ocean
for the first time.
We had a little like shark areawhere they could actually pet a
shark and to actually feel it,see it, be it, be a part of it,

(23:54):
created that deep connectionwhich I see so present here.
So what are some of those waysthat people can connect to the
ocean and start to build thatlove and that privilege you say
that you have and you'veexperienced?

Brady Bradshaw (24:09):
I want to go back to something that you said
earlier in this question sparkedlike we really need to connect
with indigenous people again andunderstand the indigenous ways
and the ways that people haveinteracted with the life in this
area for at least 5,000 years.

(24:30):
If you are An indigenous person, you probably would say time
immemorial.
There's not really.
There's not really a beginning.
That's been a forever thing andthat's the whole.
So these are the things thatwork in terms of what
permaculture projects look like,in terms of building towards
something that actually is Likepermanent culture.

(24:56):
Those were the permanentcultures and those are only
cultures that can be permanent,the ones that actually work with
the land.

Victoria Petrovsky (25:02):
I'm picture out the way of water.
Yeah, as you're describing this, yeah.

Brady Bradshaw (25:12):
Yeah, I've been extremely curious about the
indigenous people's history indifferent tribes along the
coasts who harvested what fromthe ocean and how.
Help helping indigenous peopleto Overcome the obstacles that
our culture, that the USgovernment and our culture is
imposing on them right now Inorder to have a little bit of

(25:33):
breathing room to rediscoverthose kinds of things is
important.
I think the climate movementright now is doing a really good
job and can always be doing abetter job at Centering
indigenous people and being ledby indigenous people.
So there's a whole lot of workbeing done.
I think we're doing our verybest as a movement, but you also

(25:54):
we're asking about the bridgeto get there, and I think there
is a component where, like, it'sjust simply getting out in the
ocean and like letting the ocean, teach us right like what
sharks teach.
Teach by their being like.
They're not showing up as jaws,they're showing up as this cute
probably cute shark that youcan pet and that you can Feel

(26:17):
for and feel like connected toinstead of just yeah, and you
have to just eliminate it.

Victoria Petrovsky (26:23):
That reminds me of when I did a scuba diving
training in Indonesia, actuallyaround the Gillies, and they
were like, oh, this dive's gonnahave sharks, and then I've
sharks.
Like oh, sharks.
I got scared and then you seetwo little baby sharks huddled,
snuggling with one another andlet's see of people around them
with go-pros video taping.
You know they get the sharksare like and we out of here and

(26:49):
I was afraid of before going in.
Didn't think that they'd beafraid of us.
I.

Brady Bradshaw (26:55):
Love that line about when one of my friends
who's a shark biologist alwaysasked what his scariest animal
he's ever seen, and he alwayssays the human, because people
are always expecting him to say,oh, 20-foot bull, shark or
whatever, but he's not.
Humans are the scariest.
I mean, we used to slaughterSharks to a level just by the

(27:16):
shark fin trade that used toexist in the US.
We were importing fins from 7373 million sharks every year.
Mm-hmm and so the level ofdestruction compared to people
who have been accidentallybitten by sharks.
What are, what are they youimportant to recognize.

Victoria Petrovsky (27:34):
Yeah, for those listeners who may not
exactly know, what would you usea shark fin for or like?
Why would you trade a shark fin?

Brady Bradshaw (27:44):
Shark fins are high-dollar item.
Used for shark fin soup ismostly at weddings that
wealthier, I think Chineseweddings and it became a status
symbol in the culture and becamesomething that I think there

(28:05):
were some disagreements a bitcontentious.
It's like are you against ourculture?
And I think it's.
It goes back to that thing likewhat were the permanent
cultures?
Those are the ones that Ireally respect.
Just to be really blunt, ifthis was something that was
created by a king because theking wanted to eat shark fin
soup at one point, or an emperor, and then people started using
it as a status symbol, I don'tthink that's and I think that's

(28:28):
something that can be defendedby saying what's worth driving
sharks extinct?
A Shark's are such an importantplayer in the ecosystem.
They help regulate differentfish species.
And they help keep the entireecosystem in balance by their,
by the way that they seek preyand so If they're not hunting a

(28:49):
certain fish, that fish can getreally out of balance and out
compete another fish inEcosystem.
Every species in the ecosystemplays a role like that.
Every species has a puzzlepiece to add and Actually it's
something that's sewed togetherand he starts to remove little
threads.
And at what?
Some point?

Clifton Smith (29:06):
the whole thing on rattles, because each species
is really important, plays animportant role well, that
reminds me of the Colorado wolfproject actually as well to
repopulate the wolves and thewilderness and their impact on
the local ecology, and Wolvesare another one that could be
feared by man and hunted.

(29:27):
So you hit on something reallyinteresting.
You said that Ultra wealth andpower creating a certain status
symbol that impacts the localecology or global Situation.
What are some ways that we canstart to shift the conversation
to create more of apermaculture-esque status symbol

(29:52):
that would bring balance andharmony to to the land or to the
water?

Brady Bradshaw (29:57):
I wonder what friends showed me this diagram.
I wish I had it in front of meright now.
Years ago about.
It was an upside-down triangleand a right triangle and it had
things like community tools andthings along the lines of what
you need to be in a healthycommunity or a healthy culture
and an unhealthy culture, andStatus was part of the unhealthy

(30:20):
culture, mm-hmm.
And I think there's a different, there's a whole different
concept than status, or maybeit's just a small piece of
relationship, because maybestatus does have a place in it
all, but Status and title isjust a part of the whole thing.
And in the community, say, weused to have this neighbor right

(30:41):
where we lived across thestreet, and John that's.
I didn't care what John'sStatus was, I just knew that he
knew how to handle a situationof if we had a, we had a massive
fire coming up the hill towardsour house, mm-hmm.
So it was like which?

Victoria Petrovsky (30:57):
I'm going to John to ask.

Brady Bradshaw (30:59):
Yeah, we're gonna ask John for answers if a
fire kicks off, which we did,and that was relationship and I
know John felt gratification inthat.
I know he felt seen andImportant.
I think those are the kinds ofthings that we needed to, just
in order to Be recognized.

(31:20):
Do you actually need to providevalue to the people in our
lives?
And that value can be Whatever?
Your value, it whatever youfeel is.
It doesn't have to be the valuethat is being asked for by
Culture.
It can be like my value is tobe a vulnerable man and to cry
and let people see me cry, yeah.

Victoria Petrovsky (31:40):
Yeah, like you were talking about the ocean
, and each roll or each speciesthere has a specific thread and
it's necessary for the completepuzzle and complete picture.
Same thing with humanity.
When each person is aligned totheir true core essence and
being of who they are, then theycan participate in the world in
their full value, be seen andrecognized for that and then

(32:04):
amplify that to others.
That's how I see it.

Brady Bradshaw (32:11):
Yeah, without the obfuscation or distortion of
what is your role in yourstatus, and not that I don't
believe in hierarchy.
If you're on a sailboat, youneed a hierarchy, you need a
captain, one captain speaking inone voice telling people where
to go.
Anarchy won't work in thatsituation.
But yeah, I just I feel whatyou're saying, how we build

(32:37):
toward working together andproviding each other resources
and support and what you knowwhat title you have nice.

Clifton Smith (32:48):
How do you become a good captain?

Brady Bradshaw (32:50):
That's a great question.
I've been recently Asked tobecome more of a captain at my
in my position and that works,and I do think that when it's
being asked so, I also want totake this to the concept of a
king like we talk about.
There's a lot of talking thatmen's work community, about
Archetypes, so there's like thefour architects warrior, lover,

(33:12):
magician and king and we kind ofjoke about these men that like
call themselves a king.
I Don't think you can justdesignate yourself a king.
Being being a king this is notreally my, so much my words, but
it really resonated with me isthat like being a king is has to
do with having a kingdom andhaving people that Recognize you

(33:36):
as a leader, and so I'm notclaiming to be the king of my
team.
I'd go over really badly at workand it just isn't true.
There's people that I had torecognize their skills, like I
work with a bunch of lawyers andscientists and I am the person
who helps coordinate thosepeople.
So really understanding thatthe communities needs are a

(33:57):
coordinator, like I'm nottelling people what to do
because I'm better than them,I'm coordinating them because my
skill is a coordinator Mm-hmm,and I have a campaigner lens.
My my title is campaigner andso starting to embody that more
is to recognize people'sstrengths and Call them forth

(34:18):
into their strengths and praisethem for their strengths, have
them feel Really good, make surethat their strengths are used
in a way that helps us win andthat they can feel a sense of
accomplishment and Victory andachievement.
I think that's something alongthe lines of my answer to that
question of how you become Likea captain, because just

(34:39):
recognizing that the role ofcaptain is needed and Playing
that role in order to supportthe movement of the ship, versus
being like I'm the captainbecause I'm the captain.

Victoria Petrovsky (34:50):
So I'm hearing having a common ground
and a specific vision anddestination and an understanding
of what one's unique skill setis that could incline them to be
a good Captain or leader forthat specific objective of the
group's trying to accomplish.

Clifton Smith (35:07):
And coordination to our names and yeah yeah,
you're coordinating the windwith the sail with the team.
And understanding how the boatmoves.
Yeah, yeah, you have the visionof where you're going.
I love it.
Brady, that's so cool, yourcoordinator, it's very flowing
really fun when it's clear.

Brady Bradshaw (35:26):
It's really fun when it's very clear what it's
about.
It's not about keeping the jobor performing well.
When it's clear that ourmission is like we're gonna stop
exon from restarting theirplatforms off the coast of Santa
Barbara and what needs tohappen in order to do that is
for me to coordinate a callbetween all of our partners,
then I keep in that zone reallyeasily versus worrying, being in

(35:49):
a state of worrying about am Iperforming well, which, again,
there's so many links and thisis a huge lesson I always
learned from freediving and I'velearned it very starkly
recently is that times when I'vebeen focused on performing and
getting that national heard andReally focused on, like this is
my shot.
I have to perform, yeah, itgoes up, I start to get stressed

(36:12):
and my brain is, my mind isreally active, which the brain
itself takes about a quarter ofthe oxygen consumption of the
body.
So if my mind is extra activeand burning more oxygen then I
get to Get hypoxic faster and Idon't perform as well.
But then yeah when I set myrecent records, I was actually

(36:36):
Meditating before my swim.
I was looking at the moon and Iwas a lot more focused on the
sky and the moon and thesensations of water on my body.
And just like truly, my goalthat day was to enjoy the dive,
actually focused on theenjoyment of the safeties and
the judges and the people thatwere there to be a part of it.

(36:58):
I was like really focused onokay, are people having fun here
?
Like this is supposed to be fun.

Victoria Petrovsky (37:03):
Yeah, I was gonna say that touches on the
work that Clifton and I do,because we help people create
high performers, create theirtotal life of joy, and we call
them quantumpreneurs and it'sthe idea that, like anything you
wanna accomplish in life, youcan do that from that feeling of
joy rather than through all thehustle and grind or force.

(37:25):
I mean that to a extent isneeded, but it's about
recontextualizing what thatprocess looks like and allowing
that process to feel more joyfulby how you're describing, by
that visualization, thatmeditation.
What would it feel like ifeverybody's having a great time?
What would it feel like withthe water on my skin and then
the judges are having a greattime and the moon is shining and

(37:48):
it's just a reverence for theprocess and the whole experience
and less about the objective,about the actual destination.

Clifton Smith (38:00):
Yeah, I mean, we work with high performers so by
definition, they know how to putin the work and the consistency
.
Yeah, brady puts in the work,he is consistent.
He didn't just show up to thepool that day and was like, ooh
the moon and boom got a worldrecord.

Victoria Petrovsky (38:14):
Yeah.

Clifton Smith (38:15):
And how, when you're in that state, do you get
to the next level?
How do you unlock that nextlevel of your potential?
That's what Victoria is sharingis getting into that state of
joy.

Victoria Petrovsky (38:26):
Yeah, we've seen Brady train for
competitions Like he is asdisciplined as anyone I know
probably one of the mostdisciplined people I know in my
life and I've seen you trydifferent approaches to the
training, from being at the poolevery single day at 5.30 and
going to sleep at a certain timeand doing your breathwork
practices and all of that.
And I love this kind of mindsetshift that you've been bringing

(38:50):
into it lately with like moreof that ease.

Clifton Smith (38:54):
Yeah, what are some of those beliefs that you
now have, or those empoweringbeliefs that fuel you up?

Brady Bradshaw (39:00):
Yeah, this is the prime example, and I've been
writing little notes to myselfat work to remind myself of what
I've learned in freediving,which is something that a diver
named Harry Chammas kind ofcoined this term train hard,
dive easy.
And so in freediving it's allabout that.
It says early morning workouts.
It's that consistency and thediscipline which I really value.
Discipline and I relate to itin a kind way now.

(39:23):
I used to not so much, but Ilove discipline and I hold
myself to that standardthroughout my training season.
And then the competition.
It should feel really beautiful,like it's a ball out of divers
coming together in the samespace, and so it's my time to
really enjoy the moment.
The sun is shining, the wateris.
You got those beautiful lineson the bottom of the pool that

(39:46):
are like moving in these waysthat you just never see anything
move that way, and there's thislike rainbows and sparkling.
It's like a magical, mysticalexperience.
And then there's people aroundwho get it and you can nerd out
on physiology.
It's like the best.
It's my version of a musicfestival.
So, taking that over into mywork, I've been like, okay, like

(40:06):
how do I train hard, dive easy?
And I realized like I do train.
I'm naturally I train hard LikeI don't have to think about
that part.
I study these issues.
I'm very serious aboutunderstanding the opposing
viewpoints energy policy,climate politics, everything and
I've trained hard.
So when I get nervous about amedia interview, when someone

(40:28):
from Fox News or something callsme, I'm like, oh no, I'm not
prepared for this.
I just have to remind myselfthat I'm like very prepared for
this and I had to do a littleversion of that before the
podcast.
I think I've got to remindmyself that often that what
comes out of my mouth is okayand it's good and I've trained
hard.
So now it's time to enjoy theconversation and be expressive

(40:52):
and let myself be the self thatI've put time and energy towards
.
And I think that it is so truethat, like, preparation is
necessary and it's okay to showup something unprepared and
realize that you were unpreparedand then to reflect like maybe
I need to train harder for this.
I think that's all part of thesame process.

Victoria Petrovsky (41:12):
Yeah, it's like the letting go and
surrendering also.
So like, regardless of if youprepared or how much someone
prepared, when you're there,you're there, so you just got to
surrender to what is and,through presence and being
yourself, just see what happens.

Brady Bradshaw (41:31):
Yeah, the surrender.
I mean that's another greatlesson from the ocean.
Like my free diving instructorhas Ishvara Pranidhana on the
side of her panga, which is anartisanal fishing boat type
thing.
So that is Ishvara Pranidhana islike surrender to the higher
power, and so I do have fear ofsharks, to be honest, when I
dive, and it's so irrational,but it comes up from time to

(41:54):
time and I just I actually tellmyself like if the worst happens
and for some reason a sharkmistakes me for food, which is
extremely like, beyond extremelyunlikely to happen, by the way
I just have to accept that andthen let my body actually relax,

(42:16):
because relaxation is importantin free diving to allow the
chest to compress and allow theocean to compress the air spaces
and to be in a good, safeposition when you're diving deep
.
So I've definitely learned thelesson about surrender through
free diving in the ocean andthere's been moments when I've

(42:36):
been at big waves and actually,instead of fighting, the best
thing to do is to become likereally present and try to like,
do like consistent movements,but sort of in a surrendered way
.
And the best way to get tangledup in something like a kelp
forest is to fight and try tofight.
To the surface, I could seethat A little bit.

(42:57):
The better thing to do is likelet yourself flow through the
kelp.
So there's boundless lessons ofsurrender from the ocean.

Victoria Petrovsky (43:07):
Wow, and with that I'd love to transition
to another topic aboutexploring the depths, and the
topic of the subconscious andthe metaphor of how exploring
the ocean is exploring thesubconscious, and I wanted to
hear what you had to say aboutthat piece, brady.

Brady Bradshaw (43:29):
Yeah, I have said before, the ocean, I
believe, represents best thesubconscious of the human
experience.
It's out of sight, like wedon't see what's happening under
the ocean and, at the same time, like we're pouring toxins into

(43:49):
the ocean Like every day.
And it's getting.
We're sort of offloading thetoxicity of humanity off into
the ocean and this needs to beseen.
So we need to start seeing it.
So people that are meditatingare starting to see what's in
their own subconscious.

(44:09):
People that are exploring theocean are starting to see what's
in the ocean, and I thinkthere's a lot of healing to be
done for the planet throughseeing, recognizing, grieving
what's happening to the oceanand then, with the clarity that
comes from that, taking theaction that's needed to try to
help heal.

(44:30):
And that's the same thing forour subconscious.
That's the same thing throughgoing through therapy, picking
up on things that are deepwithin ourselves that we maybe
haven't thought about in areally long time, that got
dumped on us from someone else.
So I think that's how I wouldput it.
In a basic way, it's like that.
The ocean is a very clearrepresentation of our

(44:52):
subconscious and possibly, ifwe're able to heal ourselves,
then we will be able to heal theocean, because we'll be willing
to take a hard look at thethings that we've done, without
all the guilt and the shame.
The paralyzing Paralyzing, yeah, the paralyzing guilt.
I love that.

Clifton Smith (45:12):
Yeah, like the ocean is the collective
subconscious.
I love that, like, if you wantto see how we're doing as
humanity, see how the ocean'sdoing.
That's cool, I like that.

Victoria Petrovsky (45:27):
Yeah, and many things can be below the
surface that we don't see.
But we only see if it'sfloating at the top right, if
there's like a film of oil orsome debris, some garbage
floating around.
It's like when somethingbubbles up, it's in now you're
in your awareness.
It bubbled up from yoursubconscious to your conscious.
Now that you see it, you'reaware of it, can you acknowledge

(45:49):
that it's there and then canyou accept, like you said,
without that feeling ofparalyzing grief.
And then how do you move toaction from that space with what
just surfaced?

Brady Bradshaw (46:01):
I do think action is a strong antidote to
pain and to the grief that comesfrom recognizing what's
happening to the earth and I doface off with climate grief and
earth planet grief and I believestrongly that coming out of
that not into hope, but intocreating hope with action, it

(46:26):
doesn't go like summon up somehope and you'll just brush your
grief under the rug.
I think for me personally againback to speaking for myself I
do invite people to think aboutthis Is it better to complain on
social media, or is it for you?
Or is it better to try andmaybe fail to take action and

(46:49):
then try again?
Because if being a part oftrying and knowing in my heart
that I've been trying and havingluckily for me, I've had a lot
of success, it's been a reallygood way of navigating.
I live a very happy life.
My parents think that becauseI'm an activist, I'm angry and
sad, because that's what themedia kind of portrays.

(47:10):
Often Is it like these angryand crazy and disruptive
activists throughout there?
But my life is really good andI also read about this stuff
every day.

Victoria Petrovsky (47:23):
Who's done the work.
It doesn't mean you weren't inthat place ever, like you
mentioned the paralyzing griefand whatnot.
So what's the work that you'vedone to come to that place of my
life is beautiful, I live ahappy life and I'm an activist.
Yeah.

Brady Bradshaw (47:39):
Well, I think some activists have families
that they are like.
I pack up my computer at theend of the day and there's my
family and they need me and thatkeeps me in check and keeps me
in balance.
Currently, my devotion tofreediving is doing that for me.

(47:59):
I get up in the morning beforework and I take my freediving
pretty seriously and that helpsme to lineate my schedule.
I've gotten I'm a Virgo risingAll the strollers out there.
I've got like the flowiness,but I've also got the strict
scheduling of things andorganizations and they're polar
opposites, because you're aPisces Sun right.

Victoria Petrovsky (48:22):
Yes, well funny airy sun, libra rising,
which are also the polaropposite, the balancing dynamic.

Brady Bradshaw (48:29):
So I feel that that internal push-pull oh yeah,
it's great there's someastrology people in Bangor and
it's fun.
It's like playing Pokemon cardsagain.

Clifton Smith (48:43):
What's your sad what's your mood If you're
always immersed in work that isprotagonist, antagonists and
trying to stop something, andthe overarching narrative is not
necessarily a positiveprognosis towards the future
right that can build up insomeone's psyche and their
subconscious and it can createdeep depression or anxiety or

(49:07):
whatever, but then hearing youtalk about your joy and your
love for life, how did you getto that place?
How do you set up boundarieswithin your own personal self
versus what you're constantlyconnected with in your work?

Brady Bradshaw (49:22):
Oh, beautiful question.
This is wonderful because Ididn't think about something I
haven't thought about in a longtime.
My roommate in college asked medon't you think it's better to
meditate and people like Gandhi?
There was this peace about itand Gandhi was an activist and

(49:44):
my response to that because Iwas really in the activist space
and he was concerned about meand my mental health, surely,
and wanted me to become morelike him maybe and I love this
guy like such a good person andhe was like the part of me that
I wasn't integrated with.
Yet I think it's reallyimportant to like I am angry, I

(50:05):
am angry and sad, you know, butI'm also playing that role.
I'm also playing that game likemy ego.
That's my ego and I'm not goingto stop my ego from feeling
what it feels, because I getfired up and then I take action.
But outside of that,encompassing all of that, is
awareness and I think that'ssomething that I pray that

(50:29):
activists learn more and more.
Not saying I'm the best at it,people need to learn to be like
me.
But I'm really grateful thatI've had the yoga and meditation
practice to recognize I'm notmy thoughts, I'm not really my
emotions, because I get thosethings coming up and just

(50:51):
learning to say okay, like yesto all that and everything is
perfect, all is well and it'snot well.
It's like having the drive toactually do something about it.
And also like having the tool totake a deep breath every now

(51:12):
and then and just say to myselfall is well and this is all well
.
All this not well is also allwell.

Victoria Petrovsky (51:21):
Yeah, as you're sharing this, I'm
thinking of the Hawkins map ofconsciousness that we've talked
about before, the book LettingGo.
You know how it's from 20sshame all the way up to
enlightenment is 1000.
So, depending on what topicyou're focused on, what
narratives are coming in, andwhat you're describing is like

(51:41):
all is well, like everything isperfect.
Is that peace narrative?
When you're in the level ofconsciousness of peace, and then
when you're in the container ofworking, like doing the work on
the campaign, you're like, okay, I need to actually tap into
anger here to spark some actionand to do stuff about it.
But putting a boundary aboutnot allowing that to permeate

(52:04):
into your other categories oflife is what I'm hearing.

Brady Bradshaw (52:09):
Yeah, is the anger serving me right now?
Is it serving the ship thatwe're on?
Is it helping the captain get?

Victoria Petrovsky (52:15):
done.

Brady Bradshaw (52:15):
Yeah, get done.

Clifton Smith (52:18):
Thanks a lot.
And can you share a bit aboutwhat it's taken for you?
You mentioned your yogapractice.
You mentioned some of yourconscious practices.
Could you just, for a fewmoments, share a bit about your
own conscious journey and thoseawakening moments you've had?

Brady Bradshaw (52:37):
Yeah, for some reason, what's coming to mind
right now is this concept ofeverything is bonus.
At this point, I'm thinking oftimes when I've had near death
experiences or was told I wouldend up paralyzed.
When I broke my back when I was20 years old, I was told I'd be
paralyzed no matter what, andso just physically yoga did a

(53:02):
lot for me then.
I turned to yoga instead of thedoctors that were telling me I
can be paralyzed.

Clifton Smith (53:09):
And.

Brady Bradshaw (53:09):
I'm 33 now.
It's nine years after I wassupposed to be paralyzed.
All those nine years are bonus,and so gratitude is the tool
that helps recognize that.
Like back to the activist stuff.

(53:29):
Yes, there's a threat ofoffshore drilling.
There's all these industrialprojects that are trying to get
their people, are trying toexpand the industrialization and
the destruction of certaincritical ecosystems on the earth
, but I might not even be here.
So just the fact that I'm hereis already bonus.

(53:50):
So it's not really like I usedto take on, especially as a
youth activist when I was like19,.
I used to take on a lot ofresponsibility because everyone
was telling me, like it's up tothe youth, it's up to you.
You got to do this and so, Ithink, spelling that myth that

(54:10):
like it's on and it also like itcreates this self image of the
hero Whereas it's really not.
It's not me like I've taken apart in these campaigns that
have been successful, but it'salways about collaboration and
how many?
people were able to move withthe movement and that's been a

(54:32):
really important thing for Ithink a lot of people also to
recognize in the movement isthat when you step away like
voila, you come back two yearslater and things are still there
, still moving as the way theywere.
Yeah, I think it's just theability to to let go when it
becomes clear that, like thingsaren't going as planned and

(54:54):
aren't going to go as planned,to just be like oh, I don't have
to be stuck in this way anymore.
And that's what's driven me tobe like.
I'm an activist for some years,I'm a grad student, I'm a free
diver.
I'm doing all these differentthings that have all contributed
towards this moment now and I'mjust, I'm recently starting to

(55:14):
integrate, like, okay, it's notthat being a free diver takes
away from my ability to do work.
It actually contributes like,oh, what lessons I learned this
realm contribute this realm.
And it's all multiplicativewhen, like when the heart is in
it, when we're in it to get tolike.

(55:34):
What we were talking aboutmaybe before we started
recording was like the idea that, yes, there are goals to reach
and there are these goal posts,and those can be meaningless if
you're just doing them, get theachievement, but if the heart's
really in it along the journey,there's, like these golden
lessons that are learned, thatcan be applied across every

(55:57):
aspect of life.

Victoria Petrovsky (55:59):
Wow, it's so .

Clifton Smith (56:01):
Yes, that's so in alignment with the work that
that we do and we talk aboutfirst establishing that heart,
coherence between the heart andthe brain, so your heart is in
everything you do, and thencreating your total life of joy.
And from that your being aspace, business Emerges and that
business is a natural byproductof who you are, right so that

(56:25):
Freediving adds and is theunique aspect of who you are.
When you show up to work andyou're able to bring those deep
lessons, passion to this spacethat could be Challenging for
those who are just coming at itfrom a mental perspective.
Mm-hmm and don't necessarilyhave that level of conscious

(56:45):
awareness that you do, and soit's so beautiful.
And Brady, what?
Where are you headed next as wemove towards wrapping up?
What's next for you, what's onthe horizon and how can our
listeners get a hold of you?

Brady Bradshaw (56:58):
Yeah, well, there's, there's, hopefully
Sometime in the future, andsomething that emerges that it's
a hub for all of these aspectsthat people can plug into in
terms of activism, maybe men'swork, as well as just getting
acquainted with the water andand so I don't know what that

(57:21):
looks like yet, but that's maybesomething that would become my
lifelong passion project, andI'm currently working for a
non-profit that I feel isextremely effective, and I'm
excited for us to move beyondPreventing the expansion of
offshore drilling and movetowards phasing out oil and gas
drilling so that the planet canstart to balance out and and

(57:44):
heal.
It's a big picture.
That's what I'm envisioning formy work in that realm.
And then I'm really excited.
The sport of freediving hasjust been recognized by the
world games, the, and it's onthe road to getting integrated
into the Olympics.
I've always wanted to be, so in2025, I will hopefully be at

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the world games for the firsttime, which is so cool, and I'll
be training for that.
I'm also gonna keep progressingin in Depths as well as
distance wise.
I I'd love to answer anybody'squestions.
I love talking about freediving.
As you both know, I can talkabout it for hours.
So if anyone has questionsabout how to get into it safely.

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I really want to be a supportfor people to safely pursue
freediving and learn as much asthey possibly can about the Epic
, cool things that we can dowith our bodies in the water, as
well as if folks are looking toget involved in Any type of
ocean conservation or climateactivism.
I'm always happy to talk andyou can Find me at at Brady orca

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on Instagram Is a great way toget in touch.
Simple We've got for the Centerfor Biological Diversity.
I've got at endangered ocean.

Victoria Petrovsky (59:04):
We'll drop the link below in the show notes
too.
Oh great, and that's on Twitteror X.

Brady Bradshaw (59:13):
That's on Elon Musk's website.
Twitter acts and over.

Victoria Petrovsky (59:21):
And the at Center for bio dive div on X as
well.

Brady Bradshaw (59:27):
Yes.

Victoria Petrovsky (59:28):
Yes.

Brady Bradshaw (59:29):
So we've got a lot of our campaign calls to
action there.
You can click on our stuff, youcan sign a petition, you can
make a phone call to a member ofCongress that needs to hear
from you, things like that.
We're always posting updatesand actions.
People can help that, I believe, and strongly.
I think our organization reallyaligns with biodiversity and
with helping the planet balanceagain beautiful, awesome and any

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parting words from you for ourlisteners, brady our last
question, too, that we ask iswhat does human potential mean
to you?
Oh my we've done so much inexploring technology in terms of
like what can be built with ourhands and with our minds, and
there's different directions togo with human potential, and I

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think we're exploring the depths.
I think it's wonderful toexplore, wonderful to explore,
these kinds of worlds of what is, what are our bodies capable of
doing in the natural world.
I think that's a wonderfulplace to explore, to unplug from
all of this, all thestimulating things that we've

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surrounded ourselves with, andget into the natural world and
Learn to climb a tree, get backin the trees, get back in the
depths and let our bodiesexperience the stimuli that will
be ultimately healing andstrengthening for our bodies and
minds.

Victoria Petrovsky (01:00:58):
Wow, thank you so much for joining us today
, brady.
It's been a pleasure and anhonor having you on our show,
having this conversation withyou, sharing from the depths of
your heart and or friends and Ialways love having our friends
on our show to hear Other sidesof their story that we haven't
explored before, so it's alwaysgreat seeing another lens of

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them, of their Personality andwho they are and how they show
up.
So I really enjoyed this timewith you, both with Brady and
with Clifton.

Clifton Smith (01:01:29):
Yeah, thank you for yeah and thank you for
listening.
We'll catch you next time.