#82 - Johen DeLeon - The Steep Stuff Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, guys?
Welcome back to the Steep StuffPodcast.
I'm your host, james Lauriello.
Guys, I've got another bangerepisode for you.
This week We've been rollingthem out.
It's been just a crazy week.
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just get you guys some superquality episodes.
Guys, I'm bringing you todaythe man, the myth, the legend,

(00:21):
mr Joan DeLeon.
I have been so excited.
I've been trying to get thisconversation going with Joan
since I had Kate on the podcastand since, really, joan showed
up to a basin last year andwhoops him ass.
I absolutely love the style andattitude of this kid, like he's
one of my, like, favoritepeople in the sport now and just

(00:41):
after one conversation like itjust a genuinely cool human.
Like I said, joan probably isbest known for last year showing
up to Cirque Series A Basin andgetting second place and
beating some really heavyhitters in our sport of sub
ultra.
But even more so, I thinkJoan's more well known for just
being a really kind, caring andawesome human in his community,

(01:04):
just like what he's done for hiscommunity and the people around
him.
To sing his praises.
Yeah, he's just a reallyinspiring, really cool guy.
We talked a lot we talked aboutwhen we had this conversation.
He was just getting ready forBig Alta.
He actually just took thirdplace in the 28K this past
weekend at the Big Alta, whichis pretty exciting, so the

(01:26):
fitness is definitely showingthere.
We talked about.
He rolled out the idea of hisnew Satisfy deal which is pretty
exciting which was just droppedand unveiled last week as well.
It was a great episode, reallyfun just getting to know Joe and
just having a sweetconversation with them.
How can you not root forsomebody like this?
Like I said, just one of themost genuine people I think I've

(01:49):
ever had on the podcast, areally cool guy.
So hope you enjoy.
This one Definitely matteredand meant a lot to me and I'm so
excited for where Joanne'sfuture is going to take them.
So, without further ado, joanneDeLeon, thank you.

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Welcome to the Steep StuffPodcast.
How are you man?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Good man, Just chilling, enjoying life, Good
know good vibes going on rightnow, so you know, just enjoying
the day.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
How's your day going, man?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's going good, man.
I uh like got up, you know,like slow morning Cause it's my
day off, but uh, we've beenhaving some, like recently, good
snow and so kind of just beengetting some pow turns in, which
is really really sick.
You know, I'm kind of likestarting to chill on the skiing
now that running is ramping up,but, like you know, when it's
snowing man, I gotta get outthere, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
So this is a good day are you, uh, do you do like
more schema?
Or are you a backcountry guylike, what's your, what's your
style of ski?

Speaker 2 (04:55):
um, so I like I tore a little bit.
Um, I don't have like thecraziest avi education, you know
.
Um, I did a lot of like I meanactually it's kind of funny
enough.
I actually taught myself how toski by doing uphill, so like I
wouldn't consider myself like aschema guy.
But you know I do the uphillevery now and then and then do

(05:16):
that around, but mostly just hitthe hill like downhill.
You know, like a lot of myhomies at work are really really
really good skiers, so you knowit's like it's always a cool
opportunity and just to get outthere with them as much as I can
, so kind of just enjoy it yeah,man, what's it like living in
like the cresta butte area withall those like I mean cams in
that area, like there's so manylike world-class skiers and just

(05:38):
mountain athletes in general?
you, you know it's actuallycrazy because like there's like
the people that stick around inthe valley that are so long, for
example, like the GrandTraverse, like obviously it's
like a known race that's here,and like those old heads that
have been doing it for since thefirst one, you know, like they
had this crazy, just like crazymountain culture, and these

(06:01):
folks just kind of like live onthe skis, you know, you know in
the backcountry, you know, andand they do their thing.
So there's always like there'ssome crazy hammerheads out here,
like obviously there's cam, butthere's a lot of other like
low-key dudes, you know, thateven go to western, that are on
the ski mode team, that arereally, really nice with it.
You know.
So in the wintertime it's likeit's crazy because you go to the

(06:21):
base area where we have ourlittle uphill skin track and
like there's, you see people ofall ages, of all skill levels,
just like hammering like all thetime and it's kind of like it's
actually it's very inspiring tosee man, you know, and it kind
of motivates you a lot.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
So it's very cool dude, there's nothing better
than like seeing like justeverybody getting after it right
from a community perspective,because it just kind of yeah, it
gives you the the it like, putsthe wind in the sails to like
train harder and improve Right,it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Dude, it pushes you man.
You know, like a lot of people,um, and honestly like a lot of
people kind of like they feedoff each other.
You know, especially like here,you know, cause in the winter
time it could be it gets reallybrutal.
Here, you know, it gets likecrazy cold, like we're usually
like the second coldest placelike in the country besides like
Duluth, minnesota or somethingyou know.

(07:06):
So the community kind of likein the in the in the winter time
really just kind of comestogether and kind of gets after
it, because a lot of the peopleare really kind of like
basically organically trainingfor the GT, you know, and they
kind of just are just gettingafter it every day.
So it's a really cool likecommunity kind of just to be
around and it's reallymotivating.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, that's beautiful, we'll get.
We'll get more to it, I think Ithink for starters, let's get
into your story.
Like I want to talk about you.
I mean, dude, last year it wasCirque series, a basin like you.
You you went and beat thegreatest trail runner of all
time and Joe gray, and then,like you beat, you beat a lot of

(07:46):
dudes.
Like you showed up and shockedthe hell out of people.
Obviously dylan dylan noticedit.
You were on free trail and then, you know, there was this like
groundswell to kind of get youto some of these other ground or
golden trail series races andlike kind of put you on the map.
That's how I I found out aboutyou.
Um, obviously a lot of peoplefrom the Gunnison Valley, and
Cade Michael as well, sing yourpraises and were like you have

(08:07):
to have Joe and Dillian on thepodcast.
But, dude, I'm just so curious.
I want to hear about your story.
Man, talk to me about growingup in Texas, your relationship
with running and how you endedup in the greater Crested Butte
area.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, man.
So I kind of like, I meanorganically, I've kind of always
been really really running, youknow, and um, it's always been
like a thing, like just a thingto do, like even when you play
soccer.
You play, like in Texas growingup, like you play every sport,
you know.
And then, but one of those islike is summer track.

(08:42):
You know, like, no matter whatsport you do, whether you're a
football player, basketballplayer, baseball player in the
summertime, like you got to dosummer track, you know, and it's
such a big thing.
So I've kind of um, like hadsome really good, awesome like
mentors on my side, because alot of the coaches in waco, for
team waco, the summer track, arethe baylor track and field

(09:02):
athletes.
So they're like, they're likefolks that have, they've been
there, they've lived, like theylive the inner city life like
we've that, I've lived, you know, and they.
So it was cool like having goodrole models as a young kid, you
know, and I'm shown so, um, andkind of just really stuck with
it, like with running, and didit every summer until I was like
I think I like at 12 years old,from like being from 6 to 12

(09:25):
and then, uh, and you know, itwasn't until I was like 15 that
I started just like to progressreally well and running
naturally and get to, like youknow, made regionals in high
school and track and stuff.
And then, uh, and my parent, mymom specifically, she was a
runner growing up and she waslike saw that obviously, saw

(09:46):
this ability and then reallythought it would be really nice
to just like invest more into itand saw that I was willing to
be more dedicated to it.
And so we like sought after acoach.
And then I found a coach in highschool, a legendary coach named
Chris Schrader.
And then, you know, and then itwas kind of crazy because, you

(10:06):
know, no one in my family hadreally gone to college before.
So when I met Chris, he waslike you're going to college
like for this, you know, andwe're going to get paid for it,
you know, and that, so that waskind of the thing that really
kind of made me just reallystick to it and really dial in,
even at a young age, you know.
Um, and yeah, I was able tojust like ball out in high

(10:27):
school, did really well, like,won a state championship and
stuff, and then was able to getschool paid for.
And then, um, in college, likehad some awesome coaches too and
met Cade, my best friend, cadeMichael.
And then, uh, and when I wasgetting ready to graduate from
Texas State it was kind of funnybecause Cade was a year below

(10:47):
me and he was getting ready toum, our coach had left and he
was like, oh man, I need to looklike he was looking for a new
school to go to and, uh, andfound Western and, um, I was
getting ready to graduate and hewas like you know, man, like
you don't really want to go backto waco, man, you just come,
you should come crash up for abit and see how it goes.
And then kind of, just five,five years later, I'm like still

(11:10):
in the valley.
So I mean, you know, but, uh,it's kind of crazy the how it
all worked out, you know, butI'm very happy how it worked out
, you know it's a beautifulplace to live, man.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
It's like one of the most beautiful places in the
country.
You know Crested Butte andGunnison Valley Like it's.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
It's a fairy.
It's a fairy tale land for sure, man.
You know like it's reallyremote and like me growing up
like surrounded by just noiseall the time, you know like it's
crazy.
You like you go to CrestedButte and like people are
driving like under the speedlimit.
You know everyone's takingtheir time.
It's a really cool.
No one's in a rush, they'reblasting Grateful Dead or
something and just kind ofreally just in their own little

(11:49):
world.
So it's a really cool, it's adifferent pace of life.
Yeah, Different pace of life,for sure, man.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Let's talk about college.
Man, I want to dig into yourcollegiate years, just because I
know you had a lot of successthere.
First of all, what events?
Like did you specialize in onthe track and like like, get
like maybe more into like yourexperience?
Like did you enjoy yourexperience and like a lot of
people really struggle?
Uh, it sounds like you were theopposite, like you didn't
struggle at all, so maybe talkabout that.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, so I had um like I kind of did everything
from literally like the 800 allthe way to the 5k, like if you
had an Indian cross country.
Obviously you run, you get upto the 10k, you know.
But, um, our coach, my coachesare really big about just like
being strong, you know, likemiddle distance runners, you
know, and that kind of likegravitates to being like a

(12:39):
stronger kind of distance runnerand then also being quick on
your feet for doing like alittle bit like mid-distance
stuff.
Um, my coaches were reallyfocused on like winning like
conference championships andstuff.
So, uh, I was never reallydialed in on one specific event.
You know we were running like,you know we were scoring points,
so we were really dialed in andrunning multiple events, um,

(13:00):
throughout the year and um, andI was always just like really
like a like discipline and stufflike that and really bought
into training, no matter who mycoach is.
So I feel like it always like um, I never really had a problem
with, like even with differentcoaches in training and stuff
like that, cause I was alwaysreally bought in and like very
obedient to what was going on.

(13:21):
So, and I think that's reallythat really helped me like have
success and very obedient towhat was going on.
So and I think that reallyhelped me have success,
especially later on in collegeand figuring out and trying to
balance school life and stuff.
But yeah, man, I kind of justdid all types of events, which I
think kind of helps now becauseI enjoy doing longer stuff.

(13:42):
But then I also naturally kindof just been from doing the mile
all the time and doing 800s and5K, doing longer stuff.
But then I also like naturallykind of just been from doing the
mile all the time like anddoing 800s and five Ks and stuff
, kind of have that naturalspeed which I'm pretty, I'm
pretty blessed you know you have.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
So yeah, just pretty thankful for that.
That's crazy man.
What a what a cool experiencelike to be able to like run at
such a high level in undergrad.
I, I, you, you didn't bury thelead there with kade michael.
Uh, kade's a friend of the pod.
We've had him on before yeah I'mcurious what a good guy uh and
big shout out.
He just got his uh, him andandy just knocked off that that
gold hill fkt I think it wastoday they just announced it was

(14:15):
just pretty amazing.
But what was your experience inlike relationship like with
kate, like as your, as your boy,like what was that, like
running with him and like Idon't know?
Like it seems like you guyshave a very special like
friendship yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
So like I, like cave is very like, he's a very
disciplined like and verypassionate person about like
just running in general.
You know, I'm saying like whenI met him, like you know he he
isn't like he was running crazyhigh mileage and stuff like that
, and like he, that was justsomething he loved man, you know

(14:48):
what I'm saying.
And I, um, I and I was completeopposite, like I did like lower
mileage and was just never ahigh mileage guy.
But uh, from like you know myperspective, I just it was
always sick and inspiring to seehim kind of just like get after
it.
You know, just because he lovedit for like, for what it was,
you know, and um, and even likein college, it was always sick
and inspiring to see him kind ofjust like get after it.
You know, just because he lovedit for like, for what it was,
you know, and um, and even likein college it was sick Cause we

(15:10):
would have like in San Marcos wehave little trail networks and
stuff around and he's and he'snot a he's not a poser man when
it comes to trails, like he'sbeen, he's been like kind of
running trail races and stufflike that, since he was like at
a freshman in college and stuff,you know.
So he was kind of the originalperson that really kind of like
got me into trying, you know,running different stuff.

(15:30):
You know, because we um, I mean,I grew up like in a concrete
jungle.
You know we would train roads,you know, and like and sidewalks
and stuff.
So, you know, and I never, andif you found a dirt road, you
know it was a gold mine.
You know.
So when I was with k trainingand stuff, he he had such like a
diverse like look at it, whenit came to just like picking
spots to run and stuff, you know, and I was like not necessarily

(15:54):
close-minded about like where Iwanted to run, but he was just
really open-minded about a lotof like, a lot of stuff and
checking out new spots and andstuff and I thought that was
like the coolest thing everbecause I had never really
experienced that.
You know, like I always saw whenwe were in track and stuff,
like even growing up, like mycoach, chris Schrader, was like

(16:14):
only allowed us to run on grass,you know.
So when I was in high school, Ilike made a grass loop around
like a baseball field and stuffand ran that every day, even
though it was a one mile loop.
So when I got to college and,like you know, get to hang out
with this dude who's runninglike 120 miles a week, you know
obviously he has he's not doingthat.
You know what I mean.
So he's really really cool,really great homie man.

(16:36):
You know I'm happy to hear himlike and see him do some really
big things.
You know, because he he worksreally hard, like you know, he's
been working really hard for avery, very long time so he
deserves it dude big time.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Well, you know I can't sing his praises enough,
like, whatever brand picks himup over the next year, like
fucking really lucky to have him, like I'm excited for, I'm
excited for him.
Um, let's talk about you, man.
Let's talk about the trails.
Like, how, like, what turnedyou on to the trails?
I mean, like I like I said thefirst race that you popped onto
the scene for me was A-Basin,but I'm pretty sure you've been

(17:07):
putting in a ton of hard workbefore then.
So talk to me about yourrelationship with the trails and
what gets you excited there.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, man, I was really burnt out with running,
honestly, when I graduatedcollege and when I moved in with
Cade at the Western like crosscountry house, you know, and and
it's only because I had, like Ihad some really hardcore like
old school type coaches, likepretty much my whole life, you
know, I'm like mentally like,I'm very, I was very kind of

(17:37):
like burnt out with it.
I'm absolutely like gratefulfor everything that running has
brought into my life and stuff.
But, uh, when I moved togunnison and the whole in the in
the valley, like I had no ideawhat the heck like public land
was, or like if, or like youknow, open space, like mountains
.
I didn't know you could go overthere, you know, and so so, um,

(17:59):
you know, like the communitywas just insane.
So, like I, they quicklyinformed me that I was able to
go run pretty much wherever Iwanted, you know, and I and it
was a really cool like um,essentially feeling of just
being so like free, you know,and being just clear in the
mental, you know, and uh, andthe one thing about like living

(18:20):
at the western cross countryhouse was like, even though I I
said I was done with running,like kade never let me like he
would.
He would never let me not run.
You know he'd be like he wouldactually convince.
He would actually convince theWestern team to to run the house
that we were living in, to pickme up, to take me out off the
couch and then go run with him.

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You know, and like me beinglike like um, so just like
competitive and stuff like thatand and uh, just loving the
grind.
You know I would go off forthese like once a week 20 mile
long runs with kate and thenjust like put myself through the
suffice and uh, and get intothat and like through that was
just like finding all thesebeautiful trails, man, you know,
and um, it's just like atotally polar opposite thing

(19:03):
that I've ever experienced.
So like it was just immediatelylike man, this is sick.
You know, I'm not running inovals all the time and and then,
kind of just organically, justreally just kept that spark and
that love for it and I alwayslike, I think, because running
I've been doing running for solong, it's kind of like, kind of
just become part of my lifeinstead of me looking at it as

(19:25):
like I need to train really,really hard.
You know, I think likenaturally I'll like train stuff,
so, um, that that.
Then that translated to likeman, let me see how fast I can
get up this, you know, bag thispeak or you know, or run this
this whole route and stuff anduh, and still like I'm still the
same way man, I'm still kind ofjust getting after it.
I was like, obviously, like alot of people only saw me at a

(19:49):
basin, yeah, you know.
But, and for the first time,but like I had been like truly
like kind of putting up somesome nice times with some peaks
and you know, wouldn't reallypost on strava, always kept it
low-key, you know.
So people you know wouldn't seeit wasn't really about like the
attention and stuff.
So, and also like I work somuch and like having time off

(20:10):
and then like paying for racefees and stuff kind of was just
like kind of a hassle.
So always, just like you know,if I ever made a race appearance
, it was pretty rare like Ihonestly made time, like you
know, got time off work.
So I always took it prettyseriously if I ever showed up on
a start line, you know.
So, uh, yeah, man.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Let's.
Let's talk about a basin.
I didn't want to get too deepinto 2024, but like, damn, dude,
like, like you know, talk aboutlike beating your heroes in a
lot of ways, like it's sointeresting to me Cause, like
you know, joe's, joe's'smythical creature of a human
right, like and there's so many,you know, patrick, like there
are so many like world-classworld dominators there, and like

(20:49):
you're up there in the mix withthese guys and like a lot of
people was like who is this guy?
Like you know, like, obviously,unless they knew who, yeah,
yeah like where does this comefrom?
out of nowhere?
Like um, what was that race?
Like what did that mean to you,dude?
To like go and, you know, beatthe goat.
And like just like have like aphenomenal day out there.
Like what did that do for you?

Speaker 2 (21:09):
yeah, so I honestly like didn't.
I was originally gonna run,imaging, but then that which was
that same day and um, I wouldhave liked that because taylor
taylor would have had a littlelittle someone to.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, I actually saw taylor.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
I actually saw uh, like not that long after that,
and he and I think he, he, hehad heard that I was going to go
, so he was like, oh man, thisshould be sick, you know.
And but I didn't end up goingcause of the they rerouted the
course, unfortunately and um,and so I like signed up the
night before and like booked itthat morning to a basin and um

(21:43):
of was just like, like I'm fit,like I've done, like no one
obviously knows what my likeskill capability is, but I know
where I'm at, like I know.
And so I was just very andhonestly, I just wanted the bag
man, like I saw like a thousanddollars for winning and I was
like I like, but this would besick if I just like go after it
and try to win it, you know.
And then, uh, I kind of likeshowed up to the starting line

(22:06):
and was like, oh man, there'ssome heavy hitters here, you
know.
But at the same time, like I'vealways been told, like you know
, no matter, like on any givenday, man, anybody can be beaten,
you know, like whatever they'vedone in the past is a really
cool thing, but they're not.
That's in the past.
You know, like today they haveto show up and perform.
You know, so, as soon as thelike gun went off, like I was

(22:27):
just feeling really really,really good and just really kept
like just was really mamamentality.
You know, like eyes up justlooking who was in front of me
and just really getting after itand like me being a predator
person, I'm like really bummed,I lost.
You know, me being a predatorperson, I'm really bummed, I
lost.
But then after finding out whoI lost to I don't really do much

(22:51):
research until many runners ingeneral, so it was really crazy
to get informed after, you know,about, like who was in the race
, like you know who I beat andstuff, so and and seeing how
like people were super stokedfor me, um, like I was, just it
was a really, really, reallyawesome feeling.
And uh, and cam smith actuallycame up to me after the race and
was like dude, you just didsomething, really big man, yeah

(23:12):
I don't know if you know.
He was like I don't know if youknow this, but like you did
something really big foryourself and like you, this is a
lot.
This is a big change, it's abig moment for you.
You know, like you shouldn't,you should know that.
And I'm like, oh, you think soyou know.
And he's like, yeah, dude, likewhat do you mean?
You know, so it was really.
It was really really cool.
I had like the kind of thetraining that I had done all

(23:32):
summer, um, essentially kind oflike perfectly led up to that
point.
I mean I hadn't, I hadn'treally the year.
The summer before that I wasreally I was in gunnison, so I
was doing a lot more like singletrack, like trail running, and
it was a little bit more faster.
But I moved up to cb um thewinter after that summer.

(23:52):
So a lot of like this pastsummer was more of just like
bagging peaks and then reallykind of like of like this past
summer was more of just likebagging peaks and then really
kind of like getting faster onthe vertical than more of just
focusing on the speed.
So, uh, and that kind of showedwhen I went to golden shell
series, um, which was reallyhumbling and really awesome to
experience, you know, to kind ofsee where the, where the uh,

(24:13):
where the standard is, andthat's kind of like what I
really wanted, really wanted toexperience.
You know, I had to experiencelike where, like obviously at a
base, and I got to experience,like you know, the Patrick, you
know, or Joe, like reallyhammering the uphill and then
hammering the downhill, butthose like 18 mile races, uh, I
I hadn't really experienced thatbefore, so it was really cool

(24:34):
to see that part a couple weeksafter that.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, We'll talk about that in a second.
So A-Basin to have Cam Smith.
Who's Cam's amazing.
He's your favorite runner'sfavorite runner to me.
He's an amazing dude but futureOlympian probably.
For someone like that to comeup and be like Yo dude, you just
did something huge for yourcareer.
I just I don't know.

(24:58):
I think it's amazing, like, andjust to like think about, like
who you beat on that day dude,like there was some dudes out
there.
So yeah, it's pretty incredible.
What was it like to you whenDylan just like I don't know if
you were familiar with freetrail before Cause like that's
like, kind of like I don't wantto say the standard in the sport
, but like that's the biggestmedia brand in the sport right
now like for dylan to approachyou and be like hey, like you

(25:19):
know, sing your praises and haveyou on and like have you
talking about the race?
Like what was that experiencelike?
Was that a little like surrealfor you?

Speaker 2 (25:26):
yeah, I hadn't really done much, much like uh digging
into like the free trail beforethen, obviously, like I had
heard, I've heard I had heard ofit and stuff like that uh, but
um, it was pretty cool, man.
Like you know you, sometimesyou don't really know, like how
awesome people are until youhave conversation with them and

(25:46):
they tell you, like what they'vedone.
You would never even have knownthat until, like, you've had
the conversation with them anduh, so the more I like got to
talk to him and you know andlearn about, like who he was in
the sport, the more I was likeman, this is like an actual
honor to be like your historyman.
You know what I mean.
Like you know like he's kind ofcool because I mean he's, it's
kind of cool how he's like he'skind of was in the middle ground

(26:08):
between, like back when peoplewere doing ultras with no money,
and then he saw he's kind oflike was in the transition to
seeing where it is now, you know, and this part of his career.
So it was a really awesomeexperience just talking to him
like and I honestly I wanted tocome up to him before he even
introduced me because I had.
I saw his shoes he had like Ilater found out they were speed

(26:30):
lens and I was like, man, thoseare gnarly.
You know like I need to gofigure out what the heck those
kicks are.
You know like double boa, likewhat's going on with that, you
know.
So I like went up to him, wastalking to him and uh, and I was
like, yeah, these shoes, man,he's like you first off.
It's like what's your name?
You know like I just saw youkick butt.
You know like it's a pleasureto meet you and I was like, oh,
thanks, man, you know this iscool.

(26:51):
But, um, yeah, very super,super, super cool person.
Uh, obviously, he's seen a lotwith the sport and you know, and
they're doing, they're doingawesome things over there.
Man, it's, it's really coollike I like I like what they're
doing over there.
It's really awesome.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Oh yeah, man, dylan's .
Dylan's the standard.
Like first ballot hall of famerfor as a runner.
And then like now, what he'sbuilding building is crazy.
Uh, where I was leading to thatwas um, you're headed out this
week, you're gonna go race hisrace, the big alta 28k.
You pumped for that man.
Like what's?
Uh, how's the fitness feeling?
Like you ready to go shred itup in california?
Yeah, man, you know I'm pretty.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
I was like I was pretty kind of like conflicted
on, like um, how training wasgoing, mostly because I never
really like ran on a treadmilllike that before you know, but
that was one of the things that,um, like I knew I had to do,
like especially when the tempsdropped like to the 20 below is

(27:49):
like up here, and so I was, uh,really just like dialed in and
really getting after it.
But you know, like I've alwaysbeen iffy about treadmills, I
don't, I really don't know whylike and really getting after it
.
But you know, like I've alwaysbeen iffy about treadmills, I
don't, I really don't know why,like I really it's like an
awesome tool to train and stufflike that and uh, but had some
really awesome weeks these pastthree weeks, like outside, like
doing some really good running,just kind of.
Just see where I was at and I'mand I honestly like I'm beyond

(28:11):
stoked, you know, um, I knowthere's going to be like some
really heavy hitters up thereand it's going to be really
competitive.
So I'm really stoked to kind ofsee where the fitness is like
right now.
You know, I know like I don'thave to be the fittest right now
, you know, but I, because it'sa long year man, you know, like
I, I have so much respect forpeople that really get after it

(28:33):
and grind and put heavy miles induring the winter time.
But I've always just been like,uh, you know, like, I look at
it from like the whole yearperspective instead of like the
first few months.
So, um, I'm really stoked man,like I know.
Actually, when I was inCalifornia, I was, uh, I went on
a run with Dylan and you knowthat race like takes place

(28:53):
essentially in his backyard.
Man, it's like it's insane, youknow, and uh, and these crazy,
just punchy fire roads, Ithought it was like, I thought
it was the coolest thing.
You know, like 360 views, yousee, of, uh, of just the bay,
and everything is just reallysurreal.
So I I'm more, I'm super pumpedto be out there and see the
scenery and stuff like that, butalso just like even more stoked

(29:13):
to, you know, feed thatcompetitive spirit I have, you
know, and hopefully, hopefully,we have a good weekend.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Man, I'm like manifesting it, you know, oh I
love to hear that man, I'm sopumped for you dude, like
there's gonna be I'm excited tosee like this you know like this
is probably gonna be the firstmatchup with you against like
dan kurtz, who's like, yeah, man, one of the best in the sport
um, you know, high pedigree froma collegiate level.
And like Brooks runner, likehe'll be out there running the
28 K Um, trying to remember whoelse.

(29:40):
There's going to be quite a few.
Like the competition, the 28 Kis going to be deep, so I'm
excited to see you mix it upwith those guys and get after it
.
Man, like it's going to be likea good little prelude to a soon
to pee and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, man, yeah, I'm beyond stoked.
It's going to be sick.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Let's talk competition.
Man, I know you just said likeI want to.
I want to feed that competitivespirit.
Like, what's your philosophy oncompetition?
Like, how do you, how do youview it?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Um, like, like, what do you mean?
What do you mean on competition?

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Like are you like?
So I've heard the best way Icould put it and this is
actually a Cade Michael story.
He told me he talked aboutTaylor, how, like Taylor's like
one of the most competitivehumans he's ever met in his life
, like Taylor will lock himselfin a room and like, come out
when he's ready to destroy you.
I always really liked thatanalogy, just because, like you
don't meet too many psychos likethat.
So to me it's like all right onthe scale of one to like psycho

(30:28):
.
Like where do you land on thescale from that for competition?

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I think I'm pretty psychotic about it, which is why
I think I needed, I needed abreak, like after college, which
you know I ended up nevergetting, because, you know,
obviously like kate got me backinto running and stuff, but I I
like think about things a lot.
You know, like I only need toexperience something kind of one
time competitively, to kind ofjust like remember that forever.
You know, it's kind of funnybecause, like when this this is

(30:58):
kind of crazy.
But uh, so one of the firstraces that ever choice ever ran
was this like small little liketrail race I guess it was like a
usatf thing in colorado springs, you know, and joe great kicked
my butt by like 12 minutes inthat race, but I never, I like
literally got done and Kay wasactually at the finish line.
He was like man, like you know,like you just raised Joe Gray,

(31:22):
you know, and I was like yeah,he kicked my butt, you know.
I was like, but like I'm gonnaremember this, you know, like I
don't know when the next timeI'm gonna race, but I'm gonna
think about this a lot, you know.
And then so it's kind of funnyCause I like just kept telling
him I was like dude next time.
You know, I see Joe, like Ineed to be ready, you know,
whatever.
And it's kind of funny becausefast forward to a basin, I was

(31:43):
on the starting line and as soonas I like I looked to my left
and I saw him.
I was like, oh man, like thisis like this, is it man?
You know, I don't know what Ihave to do in this race, but I
know this guy next to me likehe's public enemy number one to
me right now.
You know so, so like I, I like,uh, so obviously like that's.
I guess it kind of sums up mycompetitiveness.

(32:05):
You know, like I, and that'skind of how it's been, like all
winter you know Like it's beenit's been really, really funny.
Like I don't really like put outany of my, I guess.
Sometimes I hop on Strava and Ipost stuff, but a lot of times
I just like to lay low and kindof just really just dial in

(32:26):
myself and then, you know, writeabout it and reflect on it so
and and so yeah, from acompetitive standpoint it's like
you know we're.
My high school coach, chrisSchrader, used to always like we
would show up to practice onSundays and he was like he's an
Australian dude.
So he was like I watch thisbloody video.
You guys need to watch it.
He was like it was a lionattacking like a deer or

(32:49):
something like that, you know.
And he was like and that's whatI want, that's, that's what,
that's what I want, you know.
So like that's kind of whereI've always looked at it in
front of uh, like you know,obviously we're all friends and
we're homies, but as soon as westep on the line, you know it's
it's kind of like a.
Okay, now my job here is toabsolutely destroy you right,
it's conflict and conflictresolution yeah yeah, I love it,
yeah, yeah, like I love you somuch, but right now this is kind

(33:11):
of this is business right now,so I'm sorry did you, did you
share?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I know because joe is not super talkative on the
start line after the fact,unless, like it goes really
really well, like, did you guysshare any dialogue after the
race by any chance or or no?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
no, man, I, I, he, he kind of, uh, I wish I would
have talked to him more, alittle bit, but he had, he, I
guess he had to do his thing,you know, he would, he got, he
got out of there.
So it was, uh, but next time,next time I'll have plenty of
opportunities.
He would tell me he lovedbaking, which was cool.
I was like man.
I like bacon too, man.
We need to talk more aboutbaking, you know he loves to

(33:46):
bake, he loves to cook.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, he's like dude.
He's a really interesting guy.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Like when you get to know him like one of one of the
most interesting people in thesport, like super complex yeah,
yeah, I also also just admire,like you know, like that guy man
like to be like at that levelfor that long you know what I
mean even to the where he is now.
Like that is like somethingthat just like I have the utmost
respect for.

(34:09):
You know what I mean because,like time and time, like he
shows that he's just like nomatter who's on the starting
line, he still is the guy youknow what I mean.
And like, um, and really justlike seeing him kind of dig into
the well and then really dothat, I'm just like man, like
this is, this is the standardlike we need, especially for the
future.
Like a bus, like you know, upand coming spirit alive.

(34:32):
Like you know, like he trulyjust wants to dominate, you know
, and that's that's an awesomething to see.
You know, from a competitiveside, dude, you know he's the
ultimate.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Like.
This is the thing I love abouthim he's like the kindest human,
but like the ultimatecompetitor.
The thing is, too is like toyour point, like he's he's gonna
be 41 now, something like thatso like to do this that long.
And like beat up on the youngstuds that come into the sport
on a consistent basis and dothis for like 15, 20 years, like

(35:01):
however long he's been doing it.
It's crazy, dude.
Like it's amazing longevity.
Yeah, I don't think anybodywill ever be able to do that
again.
Like I think, cause the sportis getting so competitive.
Like I don't think that thattype of career will ever happen
in our sport again for sure.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, he's one of them, a kind of man for sure man
yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
So that's.
I love that singing the praisesthere.
All right, let's pivot a littlebit.
We talked about competition.
What was it like for you then?
Was it?
Was it like humbling and like areally cool experience to have
so many people like get on, likelike you were, like this figure
, that everybody got behind afree trail to like you know,
like I don't know what do we,like uh tried to get you off

(35:41):
work and then send you to, uh,send you to go race the golden
trail races at mammoth and umand in the bay area, like what
was that?
Like dude, that must have beencrazy.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
and like super, like cool it was, you know it's kind
of funny because I I did not Iguess I'm not really on social
media like that, you know.
So I honestly didn't reallyknow much about the gofundme
thing until, like I think my, mygrandma, called me like a day
later and was like superemotional.

(36:11):
She was like, oh my god, likemijo, like all these people are
showing like so much love to you, you know, like you, have you
seen it?
You know, and I was like no,like what do you?
I have no idea what you'retalking about.
Like what are you talking about?
You know.
And then I saw him was like man,like what the heck is going on
right now?
You know like this is insane,you know.
And so it was a very likewholesome feeling.
You know, like that's a cool.

(36:32):
It just shows you kind of howlike cool the community is with
not just running but just likeultra running and trail running
and how people are so supportiveand you know, really caring and
everyone's like super kind ofjust like in love with what's
going on, like with the sportand like what's going on with
like the community in it, youknow.
And so to see people like trulyjust rally like that and um, and

(36:56):
even see like my community atwork kind of rally around me and
really just like be supersupportive, you know, and uh,
and like I said, I've I've neverreally like, especially at work
, you know, the Valley, likeI've never really told anyone
that I was really like out herelike running, like that, you
know.
So they found out kind of likeout of the blue and they were
like what the heck's going on,you know.
So they found out kind of likeout of the blue and they were

(37:17):
like what the heck's going on,you know.
So they immediately were justlike super supportive and um,
and just really down for me tojust go do what you know a lot
of folks really wanted me to godo and then I was, I was super
pumped to really get toexperience that.
It was super I'm gonna reallyI'm just like blushing, thinking
about it now.
I'm thinking now but it wasreally the greatest, greatest
sport on earth, like hands downit's, it's, you know, and the
thing is is like the one thingthat I was told from a young age

(37:40):
about running in general thatreally just connected, like
stuck with me, was like no onesits the bench.
It's the one sport, no one sitsthe bench, you know.
I'm saying like everyparticipate, everyone
participates, everyone gets playtime.
Like you truly get a chance toshow, like the work that you put
in, you know, like you know,and so that's, that's what's so
dope about.
Like just the sport, like justrunning sports in general.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Man, it's like it's the sickest thing to see him,
you know yeah, it's, it's thegreat dude and I was really
happy to see, like the communityrally and like you know.
Next thing, you know you'regoing to race.
What was it like going to thegolden Trail Series?
Like that's I mean it's from asub-Ulter perspective like
that's the pinnacle right there.
Like, even though Cirque Seriesit's a little bit, it's a super
competitive race and like youliterally got to race some of

(38:25):
the best competition in theworld.
But it's a shorter race Nowit's like different.
Going to the Golden Trail,where it's everyone, it's like
insanely stout, um, and it's amuch different type of distance.
Like what was that like from astep up for you?
Like was that much harder?
Like did you?
What did you think of?
Like the whole thing, um, itwas definitely much harder.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
There's a lot more that goes into it, like uh,
details, wise, um, you know,like, even though the race is
like 17 miles, you know whateverlike you're you're hauling ass.
You know what I You're not likeand and um it was.
It was crazy seeing thedifferent skill sets of what you
needed to like like some peopleare super well-rounded, you

(39:06):
know, and then some people arereally like their areas this
mountain aspect.
Some people are really fast,you know, they have really like
crazy speed, you know, and uh,uh on the trails and stuff.
So it was from like thestandpoint of just being in the
race, it was really insane kindof seeing like people's
strengths, you know, and um, andseeing like how people use them

(39:28):
throughout the race.
Because going to go into likesan francisco, like it was crazy
because a lot of that race waslike super brutal, brutal and
like but it's fast.
But you also, like you do ahefty amount of climbing, you
know in general it's very punchy.
So you saw a lot of like themountain folks really not do so
well, but you know, and then, uh, and then you with the mammoth

(39:49):
and you saw the opposite, likeyou saw like mountain folks
really just like do really welland um, really ball out and and
stuff.
But the golden trail series wasvery interesting, just like
experiencing it because, likeit's insane dude, I feel like
you're like in the hunger gamesor something.
Man, there's like droneseverywhere, like people pop out
of the trees and are like rightnext to you with a gopro.

(40:11):
You know, and I'm like you know, I was kind of bugging out.
I was like man, this is, thisis, this is so insane, like yeah
, like what you know, I was kindof bugging out.
I was like man, this is soinsane, like you know.
But it's also, you know, like Inever I didn't really know that
like how big like mountainrunning and trail running was
like or is in Europe.
You know what I mean Like howwe see the NFL and like NBA,

(40:32):
like that's how I see like thesemountain runner folks you know
over there.
So that was also a reallyreally cool thing to experience.
Um, I just I met a lot ofreally cool people like not
necessarily runners, but likepeople that are like in the game
, you know, like um, jamil fromlike Air Viper running, and like
got to hang out with him andhave dinner with him and talk to

(40:55):
him and learn his whole storyand just meet a lot of people
behind the scenes.
That I thought was really reallycool and uh was able just to
learn and experience a lot ofthe culture.
You know, and that's reallykind of what I really wanted to
experience was more of just likeunderstanding the culture of
kind of what was going on, youknow, because I I hadn't really
been kind of um, I hadn't reallyseen that you know, kind of

(41:15):
just really always just beenstuck in the bubble up in cb, so
yeah, how did that read like,did it readjust your goals at
all?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
like now that you've gotten, like exposure to some of
the biggest, like the biggestsub ultra races like on the
planet.
Like how did that set you upfor 2025?
Like now, like I, I didn'texpect you to see on the start
list for big alta, and nowyou're going to that and like
how did that set you up for 2025?
Like now, like I didn't expectyou to see on the start list for
Big Alta, and now you're goingto that and like how did that
readjust?
Like what you had planned forthis year?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah.
So it really like I had to takea step back and really like,
essentially, just like I don'tmind like I'll build Rome, I'll
build Rome, you know, but I alsodon't mind like I'll build room
, I'll build room, you know, butI don't also don't mind burning
it down and just rebuild itagain.
You know, like every singleyear I like I um, I just kind of

(42:05):
took a step back and likereally needed to like reflect on
like what I needed to do.
Um, and I had been like whenone of the first things was
really just like finding a coach, like I really had to find a
coach and I had been on a questfor a coach for like a year or
two and but and like it kind of,it kind of came in waves like
oh, I want to coach, and thenI'd like start skiing or

(42:26):
something and then really justforget about it and then then
I'd come back to it and stuff.
So that was one of the mainthings and was really on a hunt
for a coach and um, and justreally just work on structure
with training.
Like a lot of my training waswas really spontaneous, you know
.
It was like, oh, today, likelet's go run this, let's run red

(42:47):
lady here in crested view, youknow, or like let's go run this,
you know.
So, uh, I really needed likeessentially take the step
forward to kind of like take ita little bit more.
Now, I always, I always takecompetition seriously, but like
take it a little bit more, um,seriously and focus on a little
bit more.
So, you know, got found theHemings.
You know, the Hemings hit me upand were like super willing to

(43:11):
coach me and, uh, they're reallydown for it.
So, and and then really kind ofjust like do more research into
what, because I do, honestly,like my the beta that I get for
racing is from like jeshren,small like, or like kade michael
.
You know, like I don't knowanything that's going on in the
running world like like it'slike oh what, and I was always

(43:32):
curious on like what races to doto like go essentially like
race good competition you know,and so having someone like
having mentors, really kind oflike essentially show me and
make a blueprint for me, likethat's really what I needed to
have, because I mean, at everypoint in my, in my like running

(43:53):
life, like every time that I'vewanted to take it to the next
level, you know, I've always hadan awesome mentor to really
kind of help me along, help mealong in the process.
So you know, that's kind ofwhere, um, so finding the
coaches and then really workingon training and actually, like
you know, looking forward intothe future and planning out

(44:14):
stuff was a really big thing forme too because, like I said, I
never really like planned outfor races or anything.
It was always like, uh, so andso tells me to sign up for this
race, and it's me begging therace director to let me in, and
sometimes they let me in,sometimes they don't, you know,
and that's kind of how I end upracing.
So that's kind of how.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
It's kind of how I've taken the, the, the look
towards 2025 nice dude in inyour build up for big alta and
like, since you've gotten morestructured, have you started to
see some like noticeable changesin yourself, like getting like
seeing the improvements that youwant to see?
Or oh yeah, it takes some time,but like I feel like for
someone of your caliber likethat good, like it just takes a
few tweaks and bing bang, boom,you're ready to rock and roll

(44:54):
like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
So I definitely we with the hemmings, like we
worked on a lot of like, becauselike there was no way I was
going to run 100 miles orsomething you know like that on
the treadmill in the wintertime.
It was more of just working onthe craft itself and like the
biomechanics and you know, andreally dial in on like the
things that we can work on likenow, so like, and then you know,

(45:19):
because in the summertime, likesummertime is a perfect time to
really just crank up and reallypound, pound the mileage and,
uh, do more volume.
But we we did a lot of like, um,kind of like faster stuff and
speed work and really dialing onthat and like uh, and that was
the flaw, that like, because notthis summer but the summer

(45:41):
before that I really was in likefast, fast shape wise, like I
probably could have like runreally really fast in the 5k on
the track, like done some reallyfast road races, but this past
year was more of like a highaltitude, like vert, vert type
situation and then so I like Ilost that like honestly like and

(46:01):
um, and it showed when I wentto you know uh, to headlands and
and mammoth and stuff.
So this winter we've really justbeen working on like the work,
working on the speed aspect ofit, and it's really been showing
, like recently, like especiallyyou know, and um, we've been
hitting some really sweet runsand some fast-paced stuff up at

(46:22):
high altitude.
So that's what makes me reallystoked, because I was like man,
this is something that I reallyjust got exposed of in the races
and I really need to focus onthis.
So I think we'll work on thatfirst and then we'll focus on
other stuff later on Dude,they're awesome man.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
I used to work with the Hemmings and they're some of
the best in the game easilyawesome people and yeah, can't
sing their praises enough.
They coach quite a few of myreally good friends, so yeah,
they're awesome.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Right on, man.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, yeah, all right , dude.
So let's talk.
Let's talk season for 2025.
We already talked big out.
We kind of alluded to soon a P.
So you are, you are confirmedto be going out to soon a P,
right, like that's.
That's the plan.
Oh yeah, man, I'm so excited tosee you in the mountain running
champs dude, oh my God yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, I'm super stoked on like northeast, like I
was saying earlier, like I, Ihave a lot of homies here who,
um are from like vermont andlike from connecticut, new
hampshire area, and like I'venever, ever been to the east
coast, like the northeast, likethat, and they just tell me so
much about it and I'm likebeyond stoked, which is why I'm

(47:28):
probably gonna like just crashout there for like another week
and then follow up and do thethe uh, canon um circuit race,
because, hell yeah, it's justlike, it's kind of just like a
why not, you know?
Like why wouldn't you do that,you know, to experience it and
really get to just see, um, youknow, see what the east coast
has to offer.
Because, dude, there's a lot oflike, there's a lot of good

(47:51):
folks that are coming out of thenortheast right now, you know,
and it's like showing thatthere's obviously something
there that's like building thesebeasts, man, you know that are
and they're performing superwell.
So, um, I need to get some betaman, I need to check it out.
I really had to check it outmyself.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
So, at big Alta you got to go find a I don't know if
you've raced him before RemyLaRue he's another one and
Kurt's like there's so many guysfrom the East coast that are
going to be out there that arelike just like world-class, like
some of the best um, you know acouple of them are on the
Brooks team Like there's there'sa lot of uh dude the East coast
is like.
And the other thing too is themountain races.
Like now that the Cirque serieshas kind of come in, uh in

(48:28):
there, like you mix that up andyou kind of look at some of the
mountain races they have withthe circ series and now it's
like you could, you could do awhole season on the east coast
and like have some seriouscompetition, like I I've been
looking at it.
I was like wow, like there'scranmore mountain race, like
there's quite a few really solid, like legitimately like
competitive mountain races outthere yeah, man, and it's like,

(48:49):
um, it's just super.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
It just sounds like super technical, like trail wise
over there and like really,really kind of hardcore.
And uh, you know, like one ofthe things like like my homies
always tell me there's like noswitchbacks on the east coast.
So they're just like, dude, no,like you guys have switchbacks
over here.
You know we don't haveswitchbacks on the east coast.
So it's like, uh, so I'm juststoked to really kind of just
get thrown in the grinder manover there again.

(49:12):
Be, really, it's really gonnabe really sweet to see, yeah
yeah, I'm excited for you.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
What else do you think you're going to have on
the calendar besides CirqueCannon and Soonipi?
What do you got planned?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I'm on the wait list for Broken Arrow.
I'm honestly not reallysweating it that much.
There's a Golden Chalice Racethat's in Mexico that.
I would really, yeah, um, go dothat one that I would really
that I really love to go do uhand really kind of be pretty fit
for and show off for that andthen, uh, in july, like probably

(49:46):
gonna just like I don't knowlike colorado like the best
place to be in july if I'm beinghonest with you, you know
there's just like especiallycrest of even like there's gonna
be wildflowers everywhere,really awesome, probably be a
really awesome time to go aftera lot of FKTs in big mountains.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Go win Kendall man.
Go after Jim Walmsley's recordon Kendall.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
That's true.
That's a sick mountain race.
Silverton's a sick sweet placeman.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
That's right down the road from you.
That's not too far at all.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, that was something that was on my mind,
but you know we'll, we'll justhave to see like I'd like to see
the the matchup between likeyou and mason kopi.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Like mason's a monster, so it'd be cool to see
yeah man, he's a beast too manyeah, yeah, so all right.
So sticking around colorado.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
And then what do you got planned for august and
september, so august, um, liketrying to get into some of the
golden trail series races likein europe.
You know, we'll see how thatgoes.
I heard there's some likesierras and now I was like a
little tricky to get into um,but I'm hoping, like you know,
we have early success onthroughout the year and then it
can translate and really um kindof um do.

(50:52):
Uh, you know we can probablyget into that um, and then I'll
be in chumminy for like um.
I'll be in chumminy for liketeam camp and stuff and uh, just
experience that.
I don't I'm not in nocc's oranything like that, so uh, but
just be a really cool experienceto kind of like just be there

(51:13):
and kind of see what the culturehas to offer and you know, see
the race and see a lot of the,see a lot of the homies race and
stuff.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
So talk about this.
What do you mean by team?
Team camp like what, what's the?
What's going on there?
What do you got?
What do you got planned?

Speaker 2 (51:27):
yeah, man.
Um so like, yeah, I got.
I'm on like the satisfy, likepro team oh, I didn't know that.
When did this happen, dude holyshit, it's, it's, it's been,
it's been really kept on the lowlike we're uh doing an
announcement with uh okay, Iwon't release this until after
you make the announcement, butthat's amazing yeah, we're doing

(51:47):
an announcement with like, uh,with satisfied and like, and and
free trail.
They're gonna kind of um do that.
I was on their podcast like acouple weeks ago so uh, um, so
on the wrong gonna be going toteam camp there and then really
experiencing, like thevulnerable culture and it's kind
of crazy because I've neverbeen out of the country like it
took, you know, 18 years of mylife to even get out of texas.

(52:10):
So it's gonna be really cool toexperience that.
And you know, see where, um, umand just see where, like the,
you know we're all at, you knowholy shit, congratulations.
Yeah, thanks man.
Yeah, I'm not much of a personthat kind of like talk about
myself, so I kind of just keep.
Obviously it's a huge deal, youknow, and everyone's super
stoked.

(52:31):
I always kept it low key.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Do you want to?
All right, I have so manyquestions for you now.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
You shouldn't decide, all right.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
So the first question is what do you think of the new
shoes?
Have you gotten to play withthem at all?
I know they haven't.
I have.
I have the shoe at the cribright now what do?

Speaker 2 (52:44):
you think it's pretty sick man, like I definitely,
you know, up like just beinglike sell around and buy sneaker
hats and stuff.
I've always admired like thesmall, uh, the small little
things and um, and shoes andlike the specs and stuff.

(53:05):
So, uh, I like seeing howdialed they are, like with with
everything in the shoe um wasreally really freaking awesome
to see.
Like I, like you know, theyobviously took a lot of passion
into like every detail of fromthe bottom, the upper and stuff
and uh, it's really it's areally cozy shoe.
Like, honestly, like I um, likeI'm going to wear it.

(53:27):
I'm not going to race it yet but, uh, I'm definitely taking it
out to California and going tobe, you know, racing and I've
been just running around in itand really whipping around, man,
you know, really testing it out.
So it's gonna be super sick,but overall, like it's a really
comfortable, like really cozyshoot.
I think a lot of people likeare actually gonna like it and

(53:48):
you know that's my honestopinion too.
Like you know, I wouldn't justI'm not just gonna say that, you
know, yeah no, no, you're dude,you're authentic, you're a
genuine.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
So I take your word for what it is dude.
How did the I'm sure Cause alot of people are going to be
curious about this.
How cause satisfies like one ofthe hottest brands in the sport
right now?
How did that conversation comeabout?
Like, did they reach out to you?
Did you facilitate theconversation with them?
Like, how did that come aboutso?

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I'm kind of like a hard person to kind of get a
hold of.
Oh, I know, I'm not like a I'mnever really on my phone, like
that, you know.
And I actually like just got anew phone, like I have like an
iPhone, like a crazy beat upiPhone, like seven for the
longest time, you know.
So, uh, the team manager, logan, like essentially reached out

(54:33):
to Dylan and was like yo, like Isaw this podcast, I need to
meet this, like I need to know,I need to meet this kid, like
you know, I would love to talkto him about.
You know, about a per runningcontract and really seeing if
he's, if he's down for like whathe's up to and so, uh,
obviously, like the bum is likewe're really stoked for me and

(54:55):
um, you know, they forwarded mycontact information and I talked
to them and um, we just reallytalked about like, and logan hit
me up like the next day and wewere just chatting and uh, he
was talking a lot about, likeyou know, satisfy and what they
really you know what they'rewe're really into and um, what
they were pursuing and reallylike what their goals were and

(55:17):
um, and they're not really likeperformance based, you know and
uh, which is pretty interestingbecause, like I had all these
like you know, competitive goalsand stuff, but, uh, I was just
really like obsessed with kindof their whole idea and what
they were really trying to likeyou know, um, what they were
trying to reach as a brand, youknow, and I thought that was

(55:39):
like I really wanted to be.
I was like, yeah, I definitelywant to be a part of this.
This is like you guys are thecoolest.
This is the coolest.
You know, and I hadn't reallyheard about satisfied until,
like jamil was wearing like asatisfied running hat and I was
like, oh, yeah, what's that, youknow, at mammoth and he was
telling me all about it and Iwas like, oh, that's kind of,
that's kind of badass man like I, kind of like that, you know.

(55:59):
So, uh, it was cool, reallykind of learning their, their
approach and really really be apart of it.
So I'm I'm super, super stoked,you know I love it, man, I love
their like.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
You fit with them too .
Like you're.
You're very authentic and likethey're a scene to come across
as a very authentic brand, likeit's this very punk rock
counterculture, like I don'tknow.
Like it's.
It's how could you not like it?
Like it's, it's reallyinteresting.
It's a cool like brand storythat they're trying to tell it's
ridiculously expensive.
I will say that, but other thanthat, it's, it's yeah man, I

(56:32):
mean it's pretty uh, itobviously is.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
It's pretty expensive , but I mean it's like it's kind
of like where we are now with,yeah, you know, running wise man
.
Honestly, you know, obviously Idon't expect people to like be
dripped out head to toe andsatisfy.
You know, like, if you, if youare like I got mad respect for
you, like, you know your pocketsmight be hurting, but you know,
but it's like if you truly wantto invest in like a piece or

(56:56):
two, you know, then like that'scool to have in your wardrobe
man to pull up for a run.
You know, I'm saying that'slike.
You know you kind of like didmore research into what you
wanted to buy, which is how Ilook at it.
And you know kind of uh, and,and it's cool because it's like
when you buy clothes or like buypieces and stuff, you know it's
like it's cool knowing you'rebuying stuff that's like not

(57:17):
like it's not going to come outagain.
Essentially, you know, like youhave this one-on-one piece that
came out this season, you know,and if you take care of it like
years down the road, um, youknow you can really uh, you can
show it off, you know.
So it's super, super cool and Ilike and they're really,
they're truly just down man forthe culture.
You know, it's not like they'redoing their own thing, you know

(57:39):
, and that's kind of what Iadmired, like when I was um,
when I was with some of themlike um, doing a little like
shoot for for one of thecollections coming out, and, uh,
they truly are dialed into whatthey think is cool.
You know, like they're nottrying to ride anybody's wave,
like they're just like this iswhat we're into, this is what we
like, you know, and like that'sit.
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yeah, they're not trying to be some someone else,
right?
It's like not trying to keep upwith this brand dude.
I know I gotta be honest withyou, like their stuff is really
nice.
Like I guess I was I haven'ttried the shoe yet.
I've been like I've just seenthe photos.
I was blown away.
I was like, damn, they put alot of effort and a lot of work
into that.
I think that's going to be ahigh selling shoe dude.
Their belts are really nice,like a lot of their shit's like
super, super nice.

(58:21):
So yeah, it's super.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
It's super cozy too, you know like super cozy stuff.
It's not like just like bs,like oh, it's marked at this
price and it's just like it is.
You know, some like crappy madestuff, like it truly is like
super.
It's super cool knowing likeyou know it shows you on a
little tag when you get it.
It's like where it's made andyou know what it's made out of
and stuff.
So it's.
I's the dopest thing.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
That's cool, man.
I love it too because I lovethe fact that you signed a pro
contract, because that gives youthe ability now to have some
wiggle room to go race andcompete and travel and now get
to see Chamonix and do that.
The reason I ask you thisactually I'll go two different
routes on this.
First one is when are you backfrom chamonix?
When you, when you uh, comeback from that, so I get back

(59:04):
from chamonix the like,essentially the end of the week
of that race.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I think it's like the 30th or 29th of august.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Um, the only reason is I ask you is because I want
to.
I want to try to recruit you tocome do the pike's peak ascent
I mean, I honestly like when is?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
is it in september?
It September, yeah, it's likemid to late.
September.
I'm not completely out of that.
I could be down and do that,Dude you got a place to crash.
That's another historic race.
That's super sick to be around.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Yeah, I'm on the board there and I'm trying to
put together a sick elite field,so we're working on that now.
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Are you running it?
Are you doing the ascent or themarathon, or uh, I don't know
yet.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
I probably the ascent , but we'll say I'm decided.
Maybe the marathon I'm still upin the air, like it's september
so late that it's like hard forme to like ever figure out what
I want to do.
Uh, also that there's, you know, because sportiva, like I have
to also have a presence at a lotof the cirque series races
because of sportiva.
So it's like there's also thecanon, I don't know, canon um
crystal mountain crystal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is?

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
also the same weekend , which I might have to go to.
So I don't know, I'm stilltrying to figure out, like, what
I'll be doing.
So both super sick races thoughto be a part of yeah, I love
those races.
Um, what was I gonna ask you?
So when's the announcementgonna be made?
When are they gonna uh, makethis, make like, put this out to
the world?

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
it should be pretty here, pretty, um, pretty soon,
you know, I mean, I definitely,um, maybe when I go up to big
alta, like, yeah, you know, butuh, but it should be like any
day now, honestly sweet, youknow.
But I'm kind of just um, kindof just waiting, you know.
I'm waiting to do their thing,so you know, and uh, they're on

(01:00:42):
their own time.
I'm not really really sweatingit, you know, but they really
wanted to like like free trailand satisfy.
I wanted to kind of like collaband really, you know, cause,
like I said, like so we weretalking about earlier man, like
the free trail community likehas done so much, you know, you

(01:01:04):
know, and supporting wise for me, so it's like it was just's
like it was just, I thought it'dbe the next biggest thing for
them to kind of show some love,you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
So, oh, hell, yeah, dude, dude, I can't wait for the
world to hear it.
I'm kind of feel, uh, prettystoked that I got to hear it
pretty early.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
So, yeah, man yeah, man, we'll put this out right
after um.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Yeah, dude, all right , so we're starting to wind down
.
Now we're at about an hour um.
I'm gonna get into somequestions.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
I'm very curious to see who inspires you um like in
the sport or just like outsidethe sport.
You know, just just in generalyou do in general, or whatever
it's up to you whatever,whatever you're feeling I mean,
um, I mean the people areinspiring man, are just like
someone who inspires mespecifically, you know, I mean
growing up I was like surrounded, growing up in Waco, like

(01:01:44):
obviously Baylor university isthere and, like you know,
hooping is like such a big thing.
So I always grew up like a Kobefan, you know like, and he,
that was a very awesome thing.
Uh, kind of see the mamamentality and really kind of
just see, see the work ethic andstuff.
You know, uh, but I mean a lotof people inspiring man,

(01:02:05):
honestly, anybody who just getsafter it and just like you know,
anytime I see anyone likerunning or just just grinding.
You know I'm always or justworking really hard.
You know, like I bought, I justreally it doesn't take much for
me to get inspired and kind oflike be motivated.
Um, but yeah, man, like it'ssuper, super.
I don't know, I'm always, I'malways kind of inspired.

(01:02:25):
It's really it's really hardnot to be inspired when you,
when you kind of live here andsurrounded by such awesome
people, you know yeah, um, butyeah, man, you know you got
anybody inspires you oh man,that's a good, that's a dude.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
I haven't been asked that in a long time.
There's a lot of you know, man,I think it's.
I have so many conversationswith so many athletes that like
it's hard for me to just putlike one out there um to be like
, oh, this person like cam smithdefinitely like blows me away,
like I, like I said he's yourfavorite runner's, favorite
runner, um, and like his workethic is just one of these, one
of those people that like thework ethic, just like absolutely

(01:02:58):
astounded me and just seeinghis like ascent and rise and
like really trying to become anOlympian, um, you know, it's
this, it's it's.
It's an interesting storylineto follow and, just like you
know, I'm just a giant fan ofhis um, a lot of people, man,
like all the athletes.
It's hard for me to justpinpoint one, but like that that
was the one cause we had talkedabout him earlier.

(01:03:20):
That would just happen to belike um in the back of my mind,
um, but yeah, yeah, my wife too,got a shot with my wife.
Like she inspires me, she'samazing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
I mean, it's an.
It's an.
It's an inspiring world we livein, man.
It's an even more inspiringsport.
So it's like, uh, you know,endurance freaks could be really
, really sick to look up to, youknow, like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I said it's the greatest sport on earth.
Like man, there's nothing morefun than like training your ass
off for something and thensmashing yourself trying to
achieve right like it'ssomething about that, that like,
yeah, so it's funny, we talkabout this a lot.
Like I'm always not I dog onultra I love I have a lot of
friends that do ultra and I'vedone ran a few ultras.
But like just the differencebetween sub ultra races and

(01:03:56):
ultra races, like there's justlike that component of just like
absolutely destroying yourselfbut it's a different kind of
destroy yourself in sub ultraraces than in our ultra race.
Like that, that ability, thatthat hurt, um, and just continue
to dig deeper and deeper anddeeper, like you know, and how
how much can you tolerate thatpain?
I don't know.
There's something about thatthat I just yeah, the well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
The well is definitely different in in every
, in every event, but it's likeyeah, in every event.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
But it's like, yeah, it's a different experience, you
know, you just have to live itto, to feel it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
You know it's kind of yeah, you can't really describe
it in a way you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
So, yeah, what's?
Uh, I'm sorry, no, no, no, yougo ahead, man, I'm sorry.
What's, um, if you're gettingready for a race or or a hard
effort like what, what music areyou listening to?
Man going into that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
oh, man, uh, I don't know, man I'm, I'm just a
southern kid, so, like, Idefinitely listen to a lot of
like outlaw country, you know,like a lot of mellow stuff, you
know, and like, uh, but then Ialso listen to like, listen, I
like, like, I love like outcasts, you know listen a lot of
outcasts, uh, a lot of 90s, likelike rap and stuff, um, really

(01:05:05):
usually just kind of just mellowstuff for the most part.
You know, I'm not much of aperson to listen to like.
You know, like really hard rocktype thing when I'm trying to
get ready for a race orsomething, some people like that
, they like to get really ampedand stuff.
But I'm more of just like akind of just chill, you know.
So I usually have like I don'tknow, like Waylon Jennings or

(01:05:26):
like Willie Nelson in myheadphones.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Willie Nelson, I love it yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
So I listened to a lot of like Willie Waylon and
the boys before before races andstuff and then, um, yeah, just
like really nineties rap.
You know, my parents werereally young like uh, when they
had me, so I kind of got to growup with with them and like get
their flavor are you?

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
are you a big guy like you, like biggie, or who's
your?
Who's your 90s?

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
uh tupac like I mean boys in the hole obviously I
mean I had like ready to die oncd and stuff like, but I
definitely I'm not.
Like that's not my first pick,you know, I definitely I do.
I get down with, uh, justanything.
Honestly, new york hip-hop,like it's super sick.
Like you got like gangstar,just a lot of gangstar.
Um yeah, like the locks, Idon't know, just a lot of cool

(01:06:17):
dude I like your taste in music,man, I appreciate that thanks,
man dude all right, so I wasgonna ask you another question.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Oh yeah, all right, here we go.
I almost missed this one.
Do you get nervous on startlines?
Are you nervous at all sittingon the start line?
Are you a calm person?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
I think when I was in college when I did like mile
race, like the mile race or likethe 1500, I was always like
semi-nervous and always like I,semi nervous and I kind of get
semi nervous like on the startline, but as soon as the as soon
as it starts, it kind of justall goes away.
Yeah, you know, um, I kind ofjust like I really kind of think
about it and like before youknow and really like take some

(01:06:57):
deep breaths and kind of justlike visual, visualize
everything.
So I don't.
So by the time I'm online, I'velike kind of manifested in my
own eyes like how this is goingto play out.
So in a way, I'm like if I justdo what I'm supposed to do,
then it's supposed to go out, soI don't really get wicked
nervous.
You know, I think like, um, Imean, this year, when we like

(01:07:19):
some of these, some of theseraces, like some of you, I
probably will have some nerves,you know, and and uh, just
because they're like teamqualifications, you know.
So there might be a littlenerves, but for the most part,
man like I honestly kind of justtry to deal with the nerves
before you know and kind ofreally just think about it, you
know, and then that's it.
You know, all I got to do islike go out there and try my

(01:07:41):
hardest, you know, and then,like I've always looked at it as
like, whether I'm first or lastin the race, like if I go out
there like do what I'm supposedto do, follow a game plan and
execute.
Then whatever happens happensLike you know, like I can't
really be, I can't really sweatit, you know so let's talk about
soon to be really something Ikind of glossed over, but like
is your goal there?

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
because you have the ability to go win a race like
that and make a us selectionteam, is that a goal, or is it
more so just to go race the bestguys on in the united states?

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
oh no, it's a goal like I definitely like, uh, I
definitely think it's.
If you're a sub-ocean person,you know that's like obviously
this year is the year that youknow making a team is kind of
may not be your top goal, butit's one of the goals you know.
Um, you know I'm not sayingthat's like my top goal for the
whole year, but it'd be like I'mgoing to try my hardest to.

(01:08:35):
That's a one of a kind thing tobe able to be a part of.
So you know, um, I'm kind of,obviously, on race day, I'm all
in on making a team and you know, and that's definitely, uh,
something I would like to do, um, which is kind of what we're
really working towards, yeah, um, training wise and stuff.
But, like I said, man, it'slike june and there's a whole
year out.
There's a whole, like anothersecond half of the year after

(01:08:56):
that.
So, yeah, it's kind of um, justone race, one part of it, you
know dude, I like to hear it,man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Either way, whoever makes it, we're sending the best
US team ever.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Oh yeah, man, it's deep, man, it's super deep.
I'm beyond stoked to really beable to compete and just show
out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yeah, I can't wait to see you on a start line with
David Sinclair and all of thesekillers man, it's going to be
fun.
All right man.
Like killers man, it's gonna befun, um, all right man.
So last question I have isalways is like kind of a not so
super serious one do you believein bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
um, honestly, dude, like yeah, yeah, I mean I, yeah,
there's no way you know, but II went to first off, where's
bigfoot?

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
like we're originated from you know all over man.
What do you mean?
Like the myth.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Where are the sightings?
Where has he been seen?
Everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
But I'd say so, like most native persons' stories
from America talk about this.
They all have a story aboutthis giant hairy dude which is
maybe like a know, maybe like aremnant, gigantic Pithacus or
something like that, who knows?
Um, but yeah, so like they allhave a story about some big dude
.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Yeah, I definitely.
I went to the Pacific Northwestfor the first time in my life,
like this past summer, and afterlike being out there, I was oh
yeah, there's definitely some,some there's definitely
something like a bigfoot outhere, you know, like most death.
You know it's pretty, there'sno way there's no way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
There's not, do you do?
You do you believe in aliens?
Then like what's your take onthat?

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
um, I mean honestly for sure, I think, like it's
just, it's just too big outthere man for there not to be
just anything.
You know, but obviously youknow I don't know.
That's my answer is yes, forsure, but you know, I definitely
that's a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
It's a good question oh, it's got.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
You know what about?

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
you, bro, you believe in aliens?

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
oh, big time dude, like they're, they're yeah, yeah
, I think there's like no way Idon't know if it's like an alien
per se, like from like, allright.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
So the weird thing is is like, dude, we see like
these, like phenomena in the sky, like people see them all the
time.
It's like constantly talkedabout, and now there's like
government disclosure andthey're like talking about that
stuff.
So it's like there must besomething to it.
But it's like is it?
Is it like from a differentuniverse?
Is it like part of the like,different, like like within the
multiverse?
Is it like interdimensional,like oh, dude, you can go down a

(01:11:27):
rabbit hole with that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Like it's, yeah, man I'm one of my, one of my like
crazy family vacations.
As a child, we went to like Idon't know why the heck we went
here, but we went to roswell,new mexico.
Oh, I've been there, great placedude, went to this crazy museum
and they have like all thearchives of like even the
mcdonald's is like an alien shipand stuff, and after being I
was like god, dude, there's noway, you know, I'm like looking

(01:11:48):
at these white owl pictures andI'm like, oh man, dude, that's,
I see, that's like alien rightthere.
You know, it's like what theheck?

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
dude?
I think they're.
Yeah, I roswell, I and I if,for those of you who have never
been there, like listeners, likedude, like hands down, go check
it out is.
It is a different place, it's aunique spot, man it's super
sick that's cool.
Well, joe and dude, thank you somuch.
This is an amazing conversation.
I, dude, I mean, like I'm sucha big fan and I cannot wait to
see what you do this summer,like I'll be rooting for you

(01:12:16):
every step of the way.
And uh, yeah, man,congratulations on the new deal
with satisfy and I can't wait tosee where your career goes from
here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Thanks, homie, man, I can't wait to you.
Know, I got to pull up on yousometimes, man.
Yeah, let's hang.
Man, you want to come to theSprings?

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Like I said, if you want to do, uh, if you do wind
up like if you want to go toPikes like let me know, you got
a place to down.
So it's like hell yeah, dude,What'd you guys think?
Oh man, what a fun episode.
I want to thank Joan so muchfor coming on Just having a
conversation with me.

(01:12:49):
You know what, Like I justthink I don't know.
There you meet some people inthe sport that are just like
very much genuine and justthemselves, Not about anything,
Just like wants to do his thingand enjoy himself and have fun,
and like that all shined verythrough in the conversation.
Like he's just a very I thinkthe word I keep coming back to
is just authentic and genuine ofa human.

(01:13:10):
So definitely made an impact onme.
Can't wait to meet Joe on astart line this year.
Maybe we can get him out toPikes.
We'll see what happens.
Or maybe not.
Maybe he'll be on the world'steam which, wishing him the best
of luck in his 2025 season.
Guys, before you get going, hopon Instagram, give Joe and a
follow.
You can find him at Joe and J OH E N underscore D on Instagram

(01:13:31):
.
Uh, give him a follow, send himsome DMS, although he is hard
to get ahold of.
It took us like three years toput together this episode.
Um, and I don't think he can.
It was pretty funny, but yeah,no, it was.
Give him a follow, send himsome DMS.
I'm sure he would love to hear,hear, some, some words and kind
words from you all.
I think he would appreciate it.
So, guys, before we get going,tomorrow is our one year

(01:13:55):
anniversary for the steep stuffpodcast.
If you happen to be on thefront range or in you know
Colorado Springs or the generalarea, pop on into the Colorado
Running Company.
We're going to be going.
Starting at 8 am, nike's goingto kick things off with a shoe
demo and you're going to be ableto take those shoes out on a
group run, followed by some freerefreshments and conversation

(01:14:16):
by Ultimate Direction, as wellas some giveaways.
First 20 people through thedoor are going to get a free
pair of Cetus socks, as well assome nice Cetus discount cards
that Cetus hooked me up with.
Ultimate Direction is going tobe giving away some free packs,
as well as a bunch of hats andstickers and all kinds of fun
stuff that they have going on.

(01:14:37):
What else are we doing?
Like I said, some conversations, some banters, some product
demos.
Some conversations, somebanters, some product demos, and
then it's going to be cappedoff by a conversation, a live
podcast in front of the audiencewith myself and Nike trail
athlete Bailey Kowalczyk.
So it should be a blast.
Excited to have Bailey on thepodcast.
Finally, it should be a goodone.
And yeah, guys, I hope you guyscan join us.
Yeah, it means so much to me.

(01:14:58):
Thank you all from the bottomof my heart for supporting the
podcast and listening to thesestories and just supporting us.
So it means a ton.
Before we get going, if youenjoyed this episode, please
give us a five-star rating andreview on Apple, spotify or
YouTube, wherever you consumeyour podcasts.
And yeah, thanks so much, guys.
Have a great weekend, thank you.

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