#88 - Alison Rudy - The Steep Stuff Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What is up, fam?
Welcome back to the Steep StuffPodcast.
I'm your host, james Lauriello,and I'm so excited to bring you
guys an episode today with noneother than Miss Allie Rudy,
hailing from Leadville, colorado.
What a fun episode.
Allie and I talked a lot aboutSub Ultra.
We talked about her dedicationto Sub Ultra for this upcoming
season.
We talked about her 2025 seasonand plans, upcoming plans for

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racing Um.
Allie, most recently this pastSaturday, finished fourth place
in a stacked group of women thatincluded Tabor Hemming, uh,
janelle links and SydneyPeterson.
Uh took fourth place um indesert rats, 21 K, which is just
an awesome result.
Um, and even before that, uhtook the dub um as well as the
course record at the run throughtime half marathon in Salida,

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colorado.
So Allie is absolutely justgetting started probably a big
season in front of her, so we'reexcited to see what she's going
to be able to do with her plans.
We talked about her 2024 season.
We talked about her whys.
You know why running, why subultra, why Leadville all these
different things, which isreally fun.
We talked about some upcomingFKT plans that included Mount

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Elbert, a couple others.
Don't want to give too muchaway, but yeah, it was just a
really fun episode.
Allie's not just an amazingathlete in the sport but also a
fan of the sport too, talkedabout some of her favorite
runners and who inspires herJust all kinds of fun stuff.
So, without further ado, I hopeyou guys enjoy this one.
It's a personal favorite ofmine.
Really amazing person Allie is,and I'm just excited to see

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where her future is going totake her in the sport.
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Allie Rudy, welcome to theSteep Stuff Podcast.

(03:40):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I'm doing great, thank you.
How are?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
you doing today?
I'm doing great.
I'm so excited we finally wereable to do this.
I know we've on my behalf.
I'm kind of the worst personwith scheduling.
I need a personal assistant todo my scheduling, so I'm happy.
Thank you so much for beingflexible in the timing and
everything, so I'm so excited wewere finally able to have a
chat.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Absolutely.
You're talking to probably theworst scheduler also.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
How's your day going?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
It's been good.
I called in sick today, quitehonestly, oh wow, but it was
kind of necessary.
I've been doing some long dayslately and just needed a bit of
time.
I'm going to a trail runningfestival this evening in Buena
Vista as well.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Super cool.
How's life in Leadville,Colorado?
Is it cold for you up theretoday?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's cold here in the spring.
So, oh yeah, we got a dustingof snow.
Um, we were supposed to have aweek of like 50 degree weather,
so I was really looking forwardto that, but it was short lived.
So, yeah, we got like a fewinches just a couple of days ago
, and then it's kind of beencoming down ever since.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Oh wow, that's a crazy.
Do you ski at all?
Are you like a skier?
You just a full-time runner Ido um schemo.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
So I haven't had a downhill ski pass in like three,
four years now.
Um, but I do try to get out umon, usually just inbounds and at
the resorts, um like once ortwice a week nice building, that
build a building, that engine.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
I feel like you have to in in leadville just because
it's so high and it's like whatare you going to do?
Run on icy, snowy roads or thetreadmill all season?
So you got to find something todo right In the winter.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Exactly.
Yeah, I have definitely donemore treadmill days than I'd
like to admit this winter, butit's also been helpful in
building up speed, and that's anaspect that I've been looking
forward to just diving into inmy running.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Sweet.
Well, I'm not going to bury thelead too much.
You just came off a huge win, alike very dominant win at the
run through time half marathon.
Congratulations, thank you.
I appreciate that.
How does that feel?
That's going to feel prettysweet.
It's such a it's like an earlyseason race.
It's always pretty competitiveboth on like the full marathon
and the half marathon side.
And like, yeah, you like beatsome huge names of of years past
, like a lot of like reallystrong females.
You've completely dominatedtheir times.

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So congratulations to you.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Thank you so much.
Yeah, that was probably one ofmy best results that I have had,
um, and I definitely have beenputting a lot of preparation in
um, just to the specific, thespecific distance, probably
since like July of last year.
So I actually went to go to dothe Moab Trail Half Marathon
Championships and that race didnot go well for me, so I think I

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had a bit of a fire burning forthe whole winter season.
That kind of gave me somemotivation to sign up for an
early season race.
And, yeah, other than that,I've been coaching since then as
well.
I started coaching with um mycoach Tucker, last July and so I
just went into that race with aton of confidence and, um, I

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really felt prepared and that'skind of the direction I'm
feeling for this season, Um, atleast in comparison to last
season into last season's niceperfect execution.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
We'll talk about the race a little bit later, I think
.
First, before we dive intothings like I'd be really
curious and I think the audiencewould, would be like what's
like the five minute elevatorpitch on, like how you got into
running, like how you ended upin leadville, like let's, let's
hear your backstory oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
well, I'm one of those people who, like people
who know me well, say oh, you'vejust lived a million lives.
I did grow up moving aroundoverseas and then after that I
moved to Leadville at about 17years old.
So I did my first half marathonwhen I was 11 years old, living
in Bulgaria actually.
And then I did some crosscountry throughout high school,

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but I went to a few differenthigh schools so that was always
pretty short lived.
I really got into running whenI moved to Leadville.
I came up here to go toColorado Mountain College just
study outdoor education.
They have dorms up here, so itwas a fun kind of opportunity
and I actually went through apretty like challenging

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situation while living in thedorms and that just kind of
forced me to really embracerunning as a way to like just
find peace and solace for myself.
Um, so I was never competitive.
Um, I guess when I initially gotinto running I wasn't like an
ex NCAA or, you know, wouldbarely even call myself like a
high school cross country runner.

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Um, so yeah, it was just my, um, my outlet and I just started
going running prettyconsistently, um, because it
felt good and it was a way toget out.
Um, and after a few years ofthat I realized like, oh, I've
been training prettyconsistently.
Like you know, I think peoplereally don't value the benefit

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of like a 20 mile week, enough.
You know, I think people reallydon't value the benefit of like
a 20 mile week, enough.
You know, that's actually a lotof running to do.
So, um, yeah, I think justhaving a few years of that under
my belt, I've really become alot stronger.
And then one day it just kindof clicked like I'm kind of
ready to compete now, so, yeah,and then, other than that, I
also um, in a couple of years,after moving to Leadville, I

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moved to Washington and thenshortly after that I moved to
Alaska.
So I also got into a lot of skimountaineering up there, Not
like ski mountaineering, butactual ski mountaineering with
heavy skis and ice axes and,yeah, just do a bunch of long
days and traverses.
And that was another kind ofinspiration for getting outside.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
It's like learning how to survive in the mountains.
I feel like just learning thatat a young age is just so
important, right.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Oh, absolutely yeah.
When I was living in Alaska, Iwas actually in an avalanche,
and that definitely changed alot of my mindset when it comes
to just exploring outdoors andsafety, and that's probably why
I prefer to train inbounds on myskinny skis these days.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, I don't blame you.
Let's probably rewind the clocka little bit.
I want to talk about Bulgaria.
Was your family like militaryor like what were you doing,
like just like family, fromthere, or?

Speaker 2 (09:39):
how did you-?
So?
My dad worked for the PeaceCorps.
He was like a country directorand directed like training and
stuff, so we were actuallylimited to developing countries.
So yeah, I lived in Bulgariafrom the ages of like nine to 12
years old.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
So that's pretty formative years, Like did you
learn language and like what waslike just that experience, like
for you overall Pretty, prettycool, or oh, I love Bulgaria,
it's.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I got to go to an international school.
I had friends from everycountry and I don't know.
The education there is justamazing.
Um, we'd get out.
My parents were pretty goodabout getting us outside, so I
got to do some backpacking andskiing there and I I just
absolutely loved it.
Um, I think that's really all Ican say.
I did not want to leave when itwas time to go.

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And, yeah, I think EasternEurope is a really underrated
area and I tell everyone that ifyou're ever going to go to
Europe, try the Balkans.
The mountains are pretty great.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
And I feel like, too, just from at that young age,
being able to it just makes youmore of a like a worldly person,
like it opens up your mind tothings that aren't just like in
our own backyard, right, yourealize it's a much bigger world
out there and you meet moreworldly people.
I don't know, it's just like itchanges you a little bit.
I feel like when you'respending like formative years
and younger years abroad to beable to meet people, not just

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like learning languages andbeing more diverse, but like
also just I don't know, justlooking at the world in a little
bit of a different way, right.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, absolutely.
There's actually a term I don'tknow if you've heard of it
called like third culture kid,and it's what they call kids who
have kind of moved aroundoverseas to the point where,
like America or the country thatyou're originally from doesn't
really feel like home, but youalso can't say that you're from
the country that you lived in orthe country you feel connected
to, so you're kind of just inthis third culture.

(11:27):
It's hard to explain.
One of the hardest questionsfor me has always been like
where are you from?
Because I lived in Boulder alittle bit, because we did move
back to the States in between,living overseas at points, but
then I moved to West Africaafter that and just never really
had a good answer for thatquestion.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Wow, that's so cool.
What part of West Africa didyou live in?
Where were you out there?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I was in Burkina Faso , so it's the only kind of
landlocked country other thanMali in West Africa and yeah,
that place just has the mostamazing culture and people.
I you know, kind of like I said, I have always dabbled in
running, even at younger ages,and so I was like 14 living
there and I'd go run in thelocal park and there were just
crocodiles kind of swimmingaround and having that

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experience was definitelyformative.
It was weird coming back to theStates and being like oh, this
is not anywhere as exotic, Iguess.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I guess you got mountain lions and bears, not,
uh, crocodile well, crocodilesfurther south, but yeah, it's
still.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's pretty dope well , and you're from florida, so,
um, do you guys have crocodilesor alligators?
Both we have a small.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
So like in the very like furthest south of like
florida, we have the americancrocodile, which are dope.
If you ever see one, they'relike really cool, like it looks
like a normal, like nilecrocodile more or less, and
we've got alligators all overthe place.
But alligators are like notmean, they just kind of chill
and like really yeah, they justkind of do their thing like they
.
They, you know, as long as youdon't go in the water and like
hang out with them, like youknow, even if they're like

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hanging out on a bank, like theydon't bother you, like
alligators are super, super calm.
Uh, there's this cool spot thatwe'd go to in everglades
national park, um, which isshark river valley, and it's
like this 13.
It's actually sweet.
You can go run it.
If you're ever down there,happen to be in miami um, it's a
13 mile loop like paved loopthrough like the everglades, and
it's like a just a giant loopum, and you can, uh, you could

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bike it, you can run it.
I'd always go run it and likethe alligators and you can
google this like just alligatorsis like chill on the banks,
it's like maybe seven to eightfeet wide and there's alligators
just like chilling on the bankson both sides and they just
hang out and they don't botheryou.
And that's where you'llsometimes see like American
crocodiles as well, cause you'llsee them in the Everglades.
But, yeah, pretty sweet.

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And I can't imagine that can'timagine that super cool
florida's a crazy place to growup to.
Like everybody, like you know,thinks of florida as like miami
or, like you know, disney worldor something like that and like,
yes, sure, those are big thingsto do, but yeah, like the
environmental stuff is likereally cool, like get exposed
yeah, I would almost compare itmore to like australia or
something where there's justanimals, it's the other land

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down under that's what I call itbig bugs too, like I'm
terrified of spiders.
Uh, like like definitelyterrified of spiders.
I mean that's one thing I wasreally excited for when we moved
to colorado.
I was like there's not going tobe a lot of big spiders and I
was really kind of let down likewe actually have big spiders
here.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
So yeah, that's good for me.
That's why I moved up as highas I could, just to avoid the
spiders I've listened, listened.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I've been on 14 years and I've seen spiders.
So yeah, I guess they're there.
Oh, yeah, they're, they'rehanging out.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
So not that big but they're around.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, let's.
Let's talk about you.
Back to you.
So I'm curious to like about soa lot of like.
Your running history is justlike consistency.
And then you said to me one daythat you just decided I think
I'm ready to start competing.
What was that switch thatflipped for you, and what
competition was your first one?
You hopped in.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Let's see.
Yes, oh, it probably would bemy first 50K.
So it was, well, my first 50K.
I DNF.
That was the Broken Arrow 50Kin 2022.
So once again kind of started alittle fire burning and I signed
up for a 50 K called mountainrats.
Actually, it was a 55 K and Iwas not really aware of how big

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of a difference that can reallybe from the 50 K Um, and I was
able to get first place at thatone and, just you know, had a
really good race the whole way.
Um, I wasn't trained for it.
I wasn't, you know, like Ididn't think I would be
competing, and so it was justsurprising to come away with the
wind for that one and um, thatsame week I was just kind of

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scrolling through Instagram andsaw all these posts about um so
watch a cent.
So, um, the week following myfirst 50 K, I was like you know
what?
I'm just going to sign up forSwatch Ascent and ended up doing
two 50Ks back to back.
That one was kind ofinteresting.
I showed up late for it and wasable to start 10 minutes after
everyone and managed to getfourth place at that one on

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pretty heavy legs.
So I think that was those kindof two 50Ks just showed me like
I think that was those kind of250ks just showed me like you
can do more than what you expectof yourself.
And I was just so excited torace after that experience and
it's kind of the rest is history.
I think I have taken most of myracing since then pretty

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seriously.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Let's talk about living in Leadville and the
Arkansas River Valley area.
Obviously, courtney DeWalterlives in your town.
Mike Ambrose there's a lot ofhuge names in the sport, whether
they be executives or athletes,that live in the greater
Leadville area.
Do you hang out with thesepeople?
Are they readily available, oris everybody kind of do their
own thing, like Noah Williams?

(16:39):
There's so many people, doeseverybody kind of do their own
thing?
What's it like living there?

Speaker 2 (16:43):
I would definitely say that people do their own
thing.
Um, I actually used to liveacross the street from Courtney,
so it always be running bywhile she's hanging out on her
deck with Kevin and kind of theLeadville crew, um.
But we have a couple of rungroups up here.
I wouldn't say that like allthe people you just named really
attend those super regularly.
Um, I think for me I just traina little bit differently than a

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lot of people in Leadville andfrom my perspective, a lot of
people move here and reallyfocus on distance and volume and
so, yeah, I don't really do toomuch running with other people.
I have a few friends in likeBuena Vista and Summit as well,
but yeah, I think a lot ofpeople just do their own thing.

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It's really hard withscheduling as well, like
people's jobs up here, likeNoah's a ski patroller and like
I work at the school for like 11hours a day because I am a
substitute teacher and I run anafterschool program.
So a lot of times I'm justtrying to fit training in where
I can and I'm not able to fittraining in where I can, um, and
I'm not able to make it tothose group runs, but, um, I

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think one really fun part aboutbeing here is we all do run the
same routes in the winter.
Um, there's not too manyoptions, especially when there's
ice and snow on the ground, soyou almost always get a little
flyby from you know, courtney.
Um, you know whoever might berunning.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Because you're a sub-altra athlete, are you more
dirt roads and track kind ofgirl in the winter?
And then you'll do Schemo foruphill, for vertical, or what
are you doing in the winter foryour training?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Oh gosh, it really just varies.
We kind of just have threeroads.
One of them is pretty flat, sothat's my flat run, easy run for
the week.
And then we have um one calledblack cloud and seventh street,
and you know you're not gettingany less than like seven, 800
feet of gain in those ones Um.
So it's uh, yeah, that's.

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Those are the regular routesI'm doing.
I live outside of Leadville, um, in a place called Be Lakes
Estates, so we have a prettygood road here that I run on.
But I would say the only timeI'm really getting a flat run in
is on the treadmill.
And then, yeah, for long runs Igo down to Buena Vista and
Salida almost every weekend.

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It just helps to get thosedrier trails.
Even if we have a flat roadhere, it's usually just icy and
slippery on a day like today orin the wintertime.
So, yeah, that's kind of mygeneral plan for training and
where I run.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, it's so nice.
Even though you live at 10,000feet-ish, you can get down to
6,000 and 7,000 feet like BV andthen Salida pretty easily.
I love that Arkansas RiverValley.
I don't want to blow it up toomuch on the podcast because
enough people live there already, but it's like man, is it such
a cool?
I have a lot of friends thatlive in salida and it's just
like man.
If I was going to pick amountain town to live, that

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would probably be the one thatare like I don't know, I like
the remoteness of like silvertins or like hooray, but hooray
just gets too many people.
But yeah, silverton's dope oh,it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I just you know that would be an even more
challenging place to live thanleadville.
I can't imagine being you knowthat far from like a main
highway.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I don't know how, like avery and sabrina do it
like I.
I don't know if I could livethere all year round, like I
would have to be, like reallycommitted to skiing, or else
like I would lose my mind yeah,it just takes so much grit.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
I mean, I think you can kind of avoid some of that
grit and challenge living inleadville by doing things like
treadmill running and going downsouth, but I don't know how
they can.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, yeah I mean I'm in the springs, like we had a
mild winter and like I was onthe treadmill so much this off
season.
I like my treadmill, I was.
I cracked the uh the deck onthe thing.
I hate the.
You ever run on nordic trackhow they have like the bounce to
it I don't think I haveactually, if you, ever.
Next time you're I don't know ifyou happen to ever be around a
nordic track treadmill hop on it, because it's got like a bag,

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sure, like bounce to it that itshouldn't have, probably, like
they all do, because they havelike a almost like a um extender
to where you can get like 30grade like going uphill on it
okay and I've cracked the deckon that thing like three times.
Like like it will not run.
Like if you try to run anythingunder like a 540 mile on it,
like it literally will snap inhalf, or like yeah, it's kind of
funny anyway, is that like yourlocal gym, or is that your

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treadmill, my treadmill?
No yeah so yeah, I was I wentup and told the wife so I was
like damn it, I broke thetreadmill again.
She's like again yeah, so Idon't know, I gotta gotta get my
guy out to fix it.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
So oh, that sounds like a bummer.
I can't imagine it's cheapeither no, you know what
warranties.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Warranty is the way to go on those.
Yeah.
So listeners listening.
Yeah, get yourself a warrantyon your nordic track episode not
sponsored by nordic track.
Um, back to you, back torunning and back to training.
So what does your stuff looklike?
What was your block leading up?
I'm just out of pure curiosityand as a coach what was your

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block leading up to the halfmarathon?
For instance, were you doingtwo to three workouts a week
with hills?
What were you throwing in therefor speed workout and stuff
like that?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Um.
So let's see, I I really didn'tdo like too much of a block.
I think I would say I was stilljust in general winter training
mode at that point and you know, I think my coach knew about it
like a month and a half out, sohe just threw in some extra
workouts and smaller tempos, but, um, it didn't really feel like
there was, you know, this onepiece of time that I was putting
a ton of effort into.
I kind of just maintainedtraining and amped up a bit, um,

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in the weeks before.
Um.
But with that being said, II've been doing like workouts
consistently all winter.
Um, I know a lot of people arelike, oh, don't, don't run in
the winter, give yourself an offseason.
But for me, just keeping themileage pretty low, having
schema in there, it's beenreally manageable.
So yeah, I, just I, I didn'treally feel like I needed too

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much of a block.
And then also, I really don'tknow or understand much about
training compared to my coach.
He has a sports managementdegree and has been coaching for
years.
So I'm just like Tucker, I'lldo what you say.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
That's fair.
That's fair.
Yeah, it's.
It's really.
I don't know.
Like I just started likeself-coaching myself within the
last like six months and likereally got into the whole like
you know macro, mezzo and microcycles and learning like how to
put these blocks together.
It's so interesting.
I don't know like you can,especially for like sub.
I feel like you can apply morefor sub ultra as opposed to like

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ultra stuff, because like ultrais kind of long right, it's
like, yeah, maybe one to twoworkouts a week and then
everything else is go, you knowdabble and play around in the
mountains and just kind of youknow, maybe throw some tempo in
on your long run.
But like for sub ultra, likeyou got, you gotta be fit as
hell.
Like it's it almost like allthe time you have.
You can't just like quite bepeaking all season but you have
to be like almost right therethe entire time.

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Um, so yeah, there's a lot ofcool and interesting science
behind it that I don't know kindof gotten like sucked into in
the last like few months.
It's kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Definitely Well.
I'm curious what does yourtraining look like in Colorado
Springs and being self-coaching?

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Oh man, it's like I'd say like very block-based, so
like five to six week blocks.
So like I came off my winterblock and I did, it was like put
together like two kind of mixedtrail, or I'd mix it up like a
lot of roads but also a lot oftrail.
I did like five or two of thoseand then now I'm on a like a

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defined speed block, so like nottouching the trip maybe, maybe
touch the trails, like once aweek for my hill workout, um,
and then everything else is liketrack and track and road and
like it's uh, I'd say like threeworks out for three work.
Yeah, three workouts a week.
three and a half workouts a weekif you count hills so okay more
stuff like that and like yeah,like today I just got back from

(24:26):
um I did what was like a threemile tempo and then I think I
capped it off with like 12 by400 meters, uh, and then like 90
seconds between those and likesome cool down miles.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Super fun that's an intense workout fast is so
awesome.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, yeah, it's cool .
I've been and it's like it'sfunny because, like I'm a
sportive athlete, so like I'm soused to like trail shoes and
lately I've been like kind ofgoing crazy with my uh, like
trying to figure out what roadshoes work for me and like I
I've been like really dialing inthat and it's kind of nice.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
So it's different, it's fun, it gives me something
to do, right absolutely yeahthat's awesome yeah, goal of
mine is actually to um kind offigure out what some of my track
prs are, because I really don'thave a um 5k pr, 10k pr or a
mile pr, because I've neveractually went for it um.
And so, yeah, if you have anyrecommendations for a good track

(25:20):
shoe, let me know, because Idon't think I own any road shoes
except for some poke bondi oh,you know what I just got?

Speaker 1 (25:27):
what the hell did I get?
It was the a6.
Um, what is the name of thatshoe?
uh, nova blast and it's likeit's kind of do everything kind
of shoe.
It's just a trainer, it's notlike a super shoe or anything
like that.
But I literally just picked upa pair of those the other day
and wore them on my run todayand like they performed great
like on the track and theyperformed great on the road
because I like I did a littleroad warm-up before and felt

(25:47):
really good at them.
So I was like very cushioned,like super cushy and nice.
But yeah, I highly recommendthose.
Like kind of say, like asicskind of nailed it with that shoe
, so I'll have to check it out,yeah, so let's get back to you.
I want to talk about desertrats.
You've got desert rats comingup.
When.
When is that?
It's like two weeks from now,one week from now something like
that.
Yeah, On the 13th I believe it'son a Sunday, 10 days out.

(26:08):
Okay, are you?
Are you tapering for that one?
Or are you just going to do itas a training run, like what's
the plan?

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, I, I definitely will be tapering for this one
Um and um.
Yeah, I've had a pretty goodtraining block leading up to it
and, um, kind of finishing upsome of my last workouts this
week.
Um, I'll probably have like along run workout on Saturday, um
, but yeah, other than that, I'mjust really exciting.
A really big aspect of subultra that I've been working on

(26:37):
is the fueling piece.
I think.
In the past I thought, oh, Ican just make it 13 miles
without eating anything.
Um and um.
During run through time I wasable to get down like three
precisions.
So, um, I'm just really excitedto see kind of what I can do
with the fueling I have workedon the last few months.
Um, and you know I've I've putthe time and effort into the

(27:00):
speed, um, and I've put the timeinto endurance.
So just knowing that my feelingis feeling good too, I'm just
really excited for this race andjust hoping I can do something
crazy I love it.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
I love it.
What's the?
So talk to me about fueling.
Like it's funny, because in subultra I get asked this question
a lot, like, oh, what do you dofor fueling?
And I'm like, yeah, I just takeit because, like, usually I
race like circ series races, solike I'll just take a couple of
gels and like, if I need one, Ineed one.
Yeah, I'm pretty laxed with it,but like I just started feeling
a lot more and I'm like man,like if you want my workouts,
like I feel really good and I'mrecovering faster, like what do

(27:33):
you?
who would have thought Um?
So tell me about your feeling,like what are you doing, um, and
like what's working for you.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
So I definitely went down a bit of like the David
Roach GI training rabbit holewhere you know I would just be
on a long run and try to takelike two or three gels at once
and just kind of run throughthat discomfort.
But other than that I've justbeen so consistent with the
eating.
I think it's been great probablyhalf a year, six months now

(28:03):
that I've gotten to at least 70carbs an hour on my long runs,
um, and I've actually even beeneating during workouts.
Even if it's only like an hourlong, I just pop a gel in um
kind of right before a tempo orif I'm doing like a you know two
tempos back to back, like eatsomething in between, um, and I
just think it's really given methe confidence and and my

(28:25):
stomach is a lot more used toeating at high efforts now and I
think that's what had beenmissing in the past, even when I
did try to eat consistently isI couldn't do it during a long,
a hard effort.
So I'm just really excited tohave developed that skill and
keep working on it and I'vepretty solely stuck to

(28:47):
precisions.
But my stomach is handling somenever seconds and SIS, beta
fuels as well, but I also don'treally veer from those brands.
I think I know what'scomfortable for me and I stick
to that.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, I do.
I'm a big Martin guy.
I used to do a lot of Martingels and those have always
worked.
I have not tried the CIS ones,though, and that everybody like
says amazing things about thosegels.
I guess like a little bitcheaper, which kind of helps you
can buy a ton of them, right?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
So exactly yeah, which that's actually um part of
the reason I've done so wellfueling is um had this keep this
on the download but had a bitof a hookup um from a friend who
works for a race series and uh,there you go.
He gives me some of the theextra gels and food there.

(29:33):
So nice, if I came down, Iactually had a goodie bag of
morton's for you, so oh my gosh,thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I'll see you.
I'll see you at a race.
We'll have you out on thepodcast again.
We'll bring out to the spring Ican even.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
That'd be great.
I can even mail him orsomething.
Do you like Tailwind as well?

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm not as much a Tailwind guy.
I have a buddy that's anambassador for Tailwind.
He tries to give me Tailwindall the time and this is no shit
against Tailwind.
I'm really bad with fueling.
I'm just not a liquid calorieguy.
I'll take my gels on, eat, eatheavy foods like pre and post

(30:08):
workouts and then like when I domy workouts, like I don't run a
crazy distances, like I mightrun like 70, 80 miles a week,
like I'm not doing crazy likelong stuff.
So yeah, I don't know.
I'm kind of funny with that.
You know what I have just tried.
I jumped on the train or thebandwagon on is um, what is it?
Blank sports nutrition.
Have you ever heard of them?
they, it's this company called Ihaven't no, they're like based
in flagstaff and like basicallyit's like democratized fueling

(30:29):
and I like it because it's justlike really inexpensive and
really cheap.
And they make like they make arecovery powder, they make and
they make hydrogel powder andthey make like um, like, uh,
like just like normal, like yourtailwind stuff, but like they
make a particular like hydrogels, um, and it's just like,
literally it's I think it's like200 calories a scoop um, and

(30:49):
you they give you like theselittle um, like hydro hydro pack
um, like almost like just likelittle gel packets so they're
reusable and like I just take abunch of those with me on my run
.
Like I'll probably bring likeprobably two or three now.
So like for like today, liketrack, like I brought two with
me and that was great.
I mean that was like a couplehundred grams of carbs that I
fueled with.

(31:10):
And like they have all differentum, it might be hard on some
people's stomachs but like theyhave like pineapple flavor, blue
rat, they have like all theselike really good flavors that
are I've just like been kind ofblown away by.
So yeah, and like not sponsoredany.
I just happened to a company Ijust happened to come across
that I really liked and I waslike damn blank sports nutrition
.
Yeah, they make good stuff, sohighly recommend.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, I'll have to check those out.
Yeah, I'd love to try some moreflavors like that.
Sometimes it feels like they'reslacking on the flavor trend.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Were you one of those people Like when you first
entered the sport, like I wouldonly do like goos and like the
s'mores goos or something likethat, and like, oh my God, it
was so bad.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, I cannot go anywhere near a goo anymore.
I don't know how I ended upwith so many when I first
started running and I don't knowhow I got so many down, because
they're just disgusting.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
I don't know how.
I guess everybody that's like anoob falls into the trap.
So let's talk.
Let's talk about you.
I want to get into.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
So after desert rats like, what do you got planned
for 2025 um?
So yeah, like I said, I'mmainly just doing sub ultras.
So I'm planning on doing um twoevents.
At veil mountain games I'mgonna do the 10k and um peppy's
face off.
So I'm really excited for that.
Part of me is like, oh, maybe Ishould have just like done
Pepe's or give myself a chanceat, you know, podiuming at one,

(32:31):
but it's too fun of an event tonot do.
You know both of them.
So really excited for that one.
I have like a couple, a bit ofextra time in the summer to work
on FKTs.
So I'm going to be going forthe Mount Albert FKT, probably
in July, and if that doesn'twork out then I'll go for it

(32:52):
again in September.
So I'm really excited aboutthat.
I'm also going to go for theBuffalo Mountain Loop FKT and
then after kind of after that,I'll definitely do like a Cirque
series race.
And yeah, I talked to AndyWacker and he's helping me get
over to mammoth trail fest.
So I'm doing the 26 K overthere.
I'm really excited.

(33:13):
So I'm stoked for that onebecause I haven't done a super
competitive race um in a whileand I, you know, got on a little
weight to the broken.
Got on a little late to thebroken arrow train and I'm on a
wait list.
But figure, mammoth is just asgood of a choice.
Yeah, other than that, I haveone more race.
Oh, I'll do the Moab Trail HalfMarathon Championships again

(33:35):
this year.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Oh, and then Leadville Heavy Half Marathon as
well, okay.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Oh, you got a great schedule.
That's going to be sweet.
A little mix of stuff around,you know, not too far away from
you, and then also some stufffar away.
You know it's funny.
When I was researching, when Iwas getting ready for your
episode, I just happened toclick on mammoth trail fast 26 K
I was like dude there's like800 people signed up for that
race.
I was like, how do people getout to mammoth Like?
Isn't it like super far, orlike from like LA or like any

(34:02):
airport?
Isn't it like really hard toget to?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I have not.
I actually do not either.
I haven't done a lot ofresearch, um, and he just told
me he could get me into the raceand help with accommodation.
So I was like, well, I willfigure that out later, so I'll
be, looking for like planetickets and all of that.
Um, you know, there's a chanceI might end up just driving,
because if it is really that farfrom airports sounds like an

(34:25):
easier way to go.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, it's probably a really beautiful drive to
driving out that way throughNevada and yeah that's not If
you have a couple days to spare.
Now you're so, you're a teacher, so do you get?
You have summers off, thenright?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, I am, I'm so jealous of you.
Well, so I'm not like acertified teacher.
I um, I'm just a substitute andthen I run an afterschool
program.
So sometimes I do end upworking in the summertime, um,
but I usually still end upgetting at least a month off or
so, um.
So I'll run like a creditrecovery program for students
who fail their classes.

(34:59):
Um, and this year is reallyexciting, we changed our
programming around so I get totake students backpacking and
we'll recover their credits thatway.
So, looking forward to that one, I'll have to figure out how to
train for that week, but otherthan that it'll be cool.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
That's so cool.
What is that program like?
Is it just like backpackingthrough the backcountry, or how
does that work?

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, well, this will be my first time doing it.
We've always been in theclassroom in prior years just
going through an online programnothing special and our school
decided that it was too easy ofa program and kids were failing
classes and then recovering themin like two days and it wasn't
super fair.
So, yeah, they just added thisprogram.

(35:42):
We'll have like two or threedays where we just go on day
hikes and do some planning, andthen we'll do like a three to
five day backpacking trip.
I think it'll just be in thecollegiate round and in near
Leadville.
And yeah, I'm not sure what thecurriculum will look like, but
there'll be some type oflearning.

(36:03):
So we'll see how that one goes.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
That is so rad.
Oh my learning.
So we'll see how that one goes.
That is so rad, oh my God.
So I have two younger cousins,one just graduated high school
and one is, I think, junior orsenior, and they went to
Colorado Mountain College inCarbon I think it's in
Carbondale.
And dude, their school is socool, they're not even in class.
I'm like, do you guys evenlearn?
What do you do?
You're in the mountains thewhole time and hanging out and

(36:31):
having fun.
I'm like, are you kidding meright now?
What a nice, I don't know, whata nice life.
That would have been such acool experience.
We have such beautiful outdoorsystems and trail systems and
all these different things Toget more kids at a younger age
out on the trails and exploring.
I think it's just.
I just think it's so like good,developmental, wise right.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah Well, that's something I'm really passionate
about.
I think, living in Leadville, alot of people come here and
think, oh, I'm in this outdoorMecca, it's so beautiful, I have
all these outdoorsy friends.
But the truth is, if you thinkthat way, you're probably living
in a bit of a bubble because,like, the real population here
doesn't have access, like mostof my students don't even have a

(37:10):
pair of hiking shoes or even awinter jacket, and so just
finding ways to kind of inspirethat accessibility and get kids
outside, I know that's one of myfavorite things.
I used to be a girls on the runcoach as well, so I got to, you
know, I'd take the girls out on, like the mineral belt trail,
and it's crazy how just oneexperience can be so formative.

(37:33):
I think it's important to youknow, yeah, give those
opportunities to as many peopleas possible.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
And like you never know who you're like showing the
trails to right, like you mighthave the next Courtney to
Walter, like in that class, orlike you know something like
that, like it could very wellhappen.
Just kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Oh, exactly, yeah, I have one student.
He's not a runner, but I swearthis kid's going to be a
professional like biker in someshape or form, because he lives
like five miles out of town andevery day he just bikes or walks
to and from school and he'sbeen doing this for years and I
just can't imagine how strongthis kid is.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
It's going to be a monster.
Oh my God, he's got to get himsigned up for races, man.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Exactly, I'm working on getting him on our mountain
biking team for now.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
There you go.
That's cool.
The school has a mountainbiking team.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
That's dope oh wow, it's not actually the school,
but we have a cool nonprofitcalled Cloud City Mountain
Sports, so they have NordicAlpine, mountain biking, a bunch
of cool stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Super cool.
Wow, that's amazing.
I want to get back to I do wantto double back to racing.
One of the things I was goingto ask you is because you're a
really good uphill runnerPhenomenal.
Your Sunupi result kind of blewme away for the vertical Sixth
place at the U S mountainrunning champs for the ascent.
Um like, do you have anyaspirations to like do more
vertical races like, uh, likeVKs and stuff like that?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
A 100%.
And actually when I was talkingto you about races, I forgot to
mention that I will be doingthe um dragon's back ascent I
think is what it's called atMammoth Trail Fest.
Yeah, so yeah and um, I'm justreally excited between like
training for Elbert and um inthat race and then like Pepe's
face off at Vail.
I think I have some really goodopportunities to kind of show

(39:15):
off some of my uphill skills.
And yeah, I don't know if it'sskimo, I've just always really
loved uphill running.
I think a lot of that stemmedfrom some of the like ski
mountaineering I did living inWashington, alaska.
If you're carrying a 50-poundpack with skis walking uphill,
that's a million times harderthan just being a little runner

(39:35):
in your vest, and so I'm alwaysexcited for the uphill.
But the downhill is really mycaveat.
I'm working on that right now,continuously.
Fair enough, me too, me too,yeah, I my caveat.
I'm working on that right nowContinuously.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Fair enough, me too.
Me too, yeah, I don't know, Idon't.
I just don't like the downhillas much as I like the uphill,
like really, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I swear I can't get into the same flow Like when I'm
running uphill, even on uneventechnical trails.
It's there's just a differentflow to it.
You're just able to pushyourself in a different way.
I feel like I'm just kind ofletting go when I'm running
downhill like tryingrelinquishing all my control and

(40:15):
just letting it rip.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah, exactly, no man .
So what's probably the raceyou're most excited for out of
the season, like you probablyhave like start like what's
going to be the race you peakfor.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Oh, that is such a hard question.
I um, I think the reason it'shard to answer is the last
couple of years I focused onlonger stuff and then that
prevented me from doing as manyraces and so I've just had like
a two year backlog of being like, oh, I wish I did the Leadville
heavy half marathon, I wish Idid umville Heavy Half Marathon,
I wish I did Pepe's Face Off.

(40:46):
So I would probably say I'mmost excited for Mammoth Trail
Fest.
Just knowing that it's going tobe a stacked field, knowing
that I'll get to hang out withsome of the trail team people.
I can't really decide whether ornot the 26K or the vertical I'm
more excited for, but just thatrace, both of those races in
general, um, but I actually sayI'm almost just as excited about

(41:10):
the Leadville heavy halfmarathon.
I've been training on thoseexact routes for, you know,
seven, eight years now and, um,just excited to see what I can
do.
I feel like, you know it's,there's a pretty good course
record there, but I also thinkit could come down.
So we'll see what kind of day Ican have out there.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Nice, that's a proper course.
I mean, that's like what it'slike fifth, what?
15 miles with like four, maybe5,000 feet.
It's like a solid amount ofclimbing right.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, definitely, and then it's also up high.
I think a lot of it is abovelike 11,000 feet as well, but
that's where it's nice living inleadville and say it's nice for
you, I would die.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Like coming from 6 000 feet, like it's funny.
I even went for a run the otherday.
I was up near like 9 000 feetand I could feel the altitude,
like I was like man.
This doesn't like feel I'mworking harder than I want to be
or feel like I'm working harderthan I want to be because this
is higher.
I was like I don't like this.
I've been like I have.
I have 6,000 feet for too long,whereas, like you, it's so crazy
to come from 10,000 feet.

(42:07):
Like everything's easier foryou guys.
Like it's yes, the powergeneration is a little bit
different.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Like you guys are a little bit slower, but like
you're so much fitter and youknow, in a lot of ways, yeah, I
feel like one thing that isdifferent for me from other
athletes who don't live atelevation is like I'm just so
comfortable on uphills, likeI'll be running next to someone
and they'll just be breathing sohard and just working so hard
and I'm like man, I I'm savingit for the downhill right now.

(42:33):
Um, and so just having thatkind of strength, um, I don't
think a lot of other runnershave that strength.
I think a lot of people dogreat on the downhill, which
maybe I'm generalizing.
But yeah, um, like for example,at Cirque series, I um, cirque
series, a bet basin last year Iwas able to actually leave the

(42:54):
race for like two miles, but tome I was like I'm, I'm actually
comfortable right now.
I don't feel like I'm out of mybounds, um, with the pace I'm
going.
But I also knew that I would bepassed very quickly on the
downhills.
So that was, that was a fun one.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
How was that race?
You raised some stout,including one of my teammates,
jane mouse.
Like you've raised some stoutladies at that race.
Like how did that?
You had a great finish.
Like what did?
How did that unfold for you?

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Oh man, um, I, yeah, I really surprised myself on the
uphill.
I definitely didn't think Icould have hung with someone
like Jane and she was justphenomenal.
You could tell she was socomfortable the whole climb,
yeah, and I got ahead of herjust for like a mile or two,
probably a mile like four orfive or so a bit before the

(43:43):
summit.
And then she passed me kind ofright on the summit and I was
just amazed at, like, how shemaintained herself on the
downhill and it just seems likeshe continually sped up
throughout the whole rest ofthat race.
Um, so, yeah, I, I just got tothe top, I was feeling good, and
then I ate a maple and that waskind of before I had trained

(44:05):
with precisions or anything andit ruined my stomach.
So, um, by the time I got tothe kind of flatter road where
people are really throwing downlike five minute miles, I was
just struggling.
I looked down at my watch andwas doing like an eight minute
mile on this easy downhill and Ithink, um, alexa Aragon just
sprinted by me and I I knew likethere's no way I can catch her

(44:28):
right now.
Um, but I think that was also areally good learning experience
, knowing that I needed to workon fueling and that, um, I
needed to work on my downhillrunning as well.
Yeah, and actually I'm sorry Ithink the best part of that race
was I used to be on the All InTrail Collective.
I got a scholarship throughthem and I got to race my coach,

(44:51):
rosa, but I had signed up forexpert because I wanted to give
myself the best chance ofwinning a prize and Rosa was in
the pro category.
So I think I was in like fourthplace and all the girls had
passed me.
And um, and then Rosa comesrunning by and I tried to yell
at her like you're so close tothe podium, like just go past
this one girl and you'll get onthe pro podium.

(45:13):
But she didn't quite hear me.
So, um, I think she ended up inlike fourth place, but she was
so close to to podiuming thatone.
So cool.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
What I was just going to say was those races are so
like competitive and difficult,like, if you don't put yourself
in it, like you're going to getswallowed up it's, and there's
so much fun.
You know like to smash yourselfand you know you should like
look at some of these.
You should look at like theAlta race and like some of the
snowbirds, cause they're alittle bit higher altitude too,
you know not quite, they're like10, 11, like 8 to 11 000 feet,
but like you could totally smashone of those courses.

(45:45):
So that's.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
It's actually a big goal of mine to get out for, you
know, another cirque seriesrace that isn't just a base in
an hour away.
Can I ask which a base orcirque series races you've done?

Speaker 1 (45:56):
yeah, so I've done.
What have I done?
I've done brighton alta grandtargi.
I think I only did brighton outinto the grand targi last year.
Yeah, but this year I'll be at,oh, cannon, um, what will I be
at?
cannon killington, oh, nice uh,which is the east coast ones.
I'm going to aliaska so I'll beat that one.

(46:17):
Alta uh, a basin which I don'tknow.
If I'm gonna race a bit.
It all depends on points.
If I got the points I need, Iprobably I I hate high altitude
races just because like I, don'tlive at high altitude.
So for me, like I have toactually like work, to like go
get that high altitude a bunch,so for me it's like I'd rather
just, you know, like ifsomething like tops out at 11

(46:38):
000 feet like I'm, I can survivethat, like I'm fine.
But like, for instance, like abasin is just so high like it
kills me, um, and then I'll goto, I think, crystal for the new
crystal mountain race.
So like that's gonna be thebulk of my season will be all
the circ series because sportivais sponsoring them for this
year.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
So they're just gonna have a bunch of their athletes
out, which will be super fun.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah, I think I'm honestly looking the most
forward, though, to uh.
Obviously, alaska aliaska islike a proper mountain race, but
I think even more so to the uheast coast races.
I think that'll be a little bitfun to like mix it up, you know
yeah, and those are allinaugural right.
Yeah, yeah, all first year and Ithink we're just gonna get like
I don't know.
I'm excited because, like newhampshire and vermont have like

(47:18):
a lot of like former olympiansand like really fit athletes, uh
, just in general, like in thatdartmouth area.
Plus there's a lot of you knowpros that live out there, you
know, like remy larue, dan kurtz, um, you know, david sinclair
might even show up.
Like there's gonna be a lot oflike solid competition that I
think are going to show up tothese races.
So to me I'm just excited tolike get on a start line and see
because, like for me, I've beenworking on so much like speed

(47:40):
work, but I'm like there's.
There's like I have to like Ihave to have narrowed the you
know kind of like close the gapa little bit over the last year.
So we'll see.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I'm excited for it Should be fun.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Well, and knowing that you're such a good uphill
runner and probably spend a lotof time on the incline, it seems
like you are just perfectlyprepared for all of those.
Oh, I would hope so.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Like once a week.
I've only been on the inclinelike once a week.
Lately.
It's only been like onSaturdays.
I do my workout on it andthat's okay.
Yeah, I've been kind of lame,like I've only been doing like
four or 5,000 feet of vert aweek, which is like very unlike
me.
So really, yeah, just speed,flat speed, just trying to get
turnover and just get faster, sokind of the big emphasis.

(48:21):
So many of these people thatraise these races are like,
especially on the guy's side,they're like sub 14 minute 5k
guys.
They're so fast.
So that's what I mean by liketrying to like I'll never close
that gap, but at least liketrying to narrow the gap a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
You know like at least get my 10 K time, like
it's a, you know, low thirtiesor something you know the people
who are really fast on roads,coming to trails, like seeing
Andy win big Ulta, like I can'tsay I was surprised after, like
what he threw down at his lastroad race, like run the bridge

(48:56):
or something, yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, he's a monster.
Um, and you know I I got a lotof respect for Andy Cause, like
you know, after like partingways with Solomon this year.
Like you know, he's old now,not old, but like for Rubel
speaking, he's 30, you know,like late thirties, 36, 37 now.
So it's like you know, peoplekind of maybe sleep on him or
like forgot, and it's like, dude, you don't, you don't sleep on

(49:18):
somebody like Andy Wacker, Likehe's like one of the best still
in the sport easily, and thenyou go see what he did at big
Alta and just absolutelydominated.
So yeah, it's cool.
Are you a big fan of the sporttoo, or are you like as an
athlete in it, Like do youfollow a lot of like the races
and the other athletes and stuff?

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, absolutely.
I would say, um, this is kindof the first year I've really
gotten into that.
I think my partner and I arejust obsessed now.
Like whenever a race is goingon, we're checking the live
tracking, looking at results.
And I've never been a super bigsports person in the past, Like
for I think I watched like thesoccer world cup here and there,

(49:53):
but it's been really funfeeling like I'm kind of more
into the sport from that side ofthings and knowing what's going
on and kind of knowing names.
So still have a lot to learn,but really enjoying just
watching the running world playout right now.
It's really like a special timein history with kind of what
people are doing in this sport.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, it's so much fun too, right Like it's.
I don't know.
I to me.
I keep saying like it's thegreatest sport on earth just
because it's like theaccessibility for anybody to
like.
Get on the start line and youknow you can race the pros or
you can race.
You can race the pros or youcan race.
You can race wherever you wantin the race, you know, and it's
all just very approachable, likethe spread of sub ultra, which
makes it kind of fun yeah,absolutely well, and I would
also argue that just sub ultrain general is so much more

(50:36):
accessible.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
It kind of takes a lot of resources to run an ultra
and like the amount of stressthat has been like relieved for
me, not trying to do like a 50mile race this summer is amazing
.
I'm like I don't need all thistime off I need, I don't need to
worry about needing a full weekof feeling tired and recovery
Um, just less expensive.
It's easier, to you know, go toa race in one day instead of

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needing to spend the night, acouple of nights.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
So I really love that aspect of sub ultra running
yeah, just and just the abilityto recover faster, right, like I
mean just to like piggyback offwhat you said.
Like you know, you can stackthese out like who was it?
I think it was like roberto delrenzi, he's a superhuman, but
like, anyway, he raced like 27times last year or something
like that.
So like some people can, yeah,just stack week on week on week

(51:23):
on week.
I wouldn't advise that.
But like you could do 10 racesin a season and still not be
like pooped out.
Like you can, you know, stillkind of comfortably fit
something like that, whereaslike, yeah, you run 100, like if
you go to western states, forexample, right, like your
season's over after that, moreor less yeah, if you raise it to
your potential, right likeyou're going to be smashed.
So, yeah, I don't know.

(51:44):
Like to me, the uh, I don'tknow, I, I it's crazy, I can't
quite put my finger on it, justbecause and I ask a lot of folks
this like what is it that likemakes ultra so much more popular
in the states, whereas, like inin europe it's not necessarily
that way.
Like sub ultra is kind of morepopular in a lot of ways, like
it's.
Like what is it?
And I guess I think it's thecomes down to the storytelling,

(52:06):
like we don't do a great job oflike storytelling with our
athletes, whereas like the ultraside, like it makes them a
little bit more human and likehumanizes them in a lot of ways,
whereas like people think of,like people like joe gray and
andy wacker is like just theseextremely fit, fit steeplechase
guys that are like super humansand they don't realize the
humanity behind it.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Right, like it's yeah , absolutely yeah, and I feel
like, um, some of those ultrarunner names are just bigger
when, like they shouldn't be,like um, something my partner
has always said is like joe grayis just the most underrated
runner in history, like he doesnot get the clout he deserves
for what he is doing andcontinues to do yeah, no, it's

(52:44):
so true, I was.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I actually had to text him about something the
other day because what I want todo is I want to I pitched this
out to the world a couple timesis do like a film about him for
his uh, you know, for his like900th like national title win,
you know, or contention, andlike I was trying to like think
about it before I sent this textmessage like how many fucking
times has he won like a nationaltitle?

(53:04):
And like I really couldn'tfigure it out.
Like it's got to be like like25 or something like that.
Yeah, I have to ask him and Idon't think he'd be upset if I
didn't get the number right.
But like still, I just thinkI'd find it so funny that, like
the dude has won everything,more or less, and been like the
most dominant, probably the mostdominant person to ever enter
our sport, and like there, therewill probably never be another

(53:25):
like I don't.
I don't think it will everhappen again, and I just find
that so bananas that he doesn'thave like 200,000 Instagram
followers, right, Exactly.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
And then he's showing up to races like Vail mountain
games last year and no, no.
That to me is just amazing.
Like, even though they put alot of effort in there's a prize
purse, Like it seems like akind of a small and important
place for someone like Joe Grayto be in, yet he's there racing.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Oh yeah, he's a man of the people, he's.
If there's, if there's a prize,purse and some competition, the
man is showing up.
He's gone Exactly, yeah, no, he.
It's just like I don't know.
It's just a great sport andlike.
The other thing is like just tosee so much dominance from
these athletes.
You know, over time, like yougot your Grayson's of the world
too, and like, um, rachel Tom'syear to my Tom's yak, I can't

(54:13):
answer last.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
I couldn't even try.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
I butcher it every time, just like so many strong
ladies as well.
Like it's in Lauren Gregory now, who's like really blown up
last year.
And same with anna gibson.
Like, yeah, the ladies side.
I think the ladies side of thesub-alter scene has gotten
probably more interesting, withmore, more athletes popping on
you know, definitely.
Let me ask you this what kindof what shoes do you like to run
in like what's your go-to?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
um, so this is pretty new, but I just bought, um, the
005s, the nordas, and I amobsessed with them.
Um, I would like only run inthem exclusively, if you know I
could afford those shoesconsistently, but for now
they'll just be my racing shoe.
Yeah, I also have a pair of the002s and I'm just loving those

(54:56):
shoes right now.
They feel so good.
I have a really wide foot and,you know, just for living in
Leadville, they have the besttraction possible.
And, um, you know, just forliving in Leadville, they have
the best traction possible.
Um, but yeah, before that I wasmainly like a Hoka speed goat
girl.
Um, and you know, they werejust a trainer that kept me

(55:16):
happy and healthy.
Um, but I'm also kind of readyto move on.
I'll probably always have likeone pair of speed goats in the
back of the closet, but I'mreally enjoying the Nordas right
now.
And then I've also really lovedracing in the Nike ultra flies.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Those are and I've been doing a lot of workouts in
those as well.
It's a great shoe as well.
What do you?
Let's talk 005.
So I got to see that shoebefore any person had ever seen
it.
So like I saw that shoe, so I'mfriends with Jason and Jason
had it.
He literally got it in the mailfrom China the day before, two
days before Hard Rock, because Ihappened to do a photo shoot
with them, so I got to try thatshoe on before any person ever

(55:55):
laid eyes on it.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
And I was immediately blown away.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
I was like God damn, this is an amazing show.
I don't know if they made anychanges to it after the fact
because this was like July, so Iwould imagine it was still a
pre-production model.
But I remember texting a coupleof friends and I was like yo,
you don't even know what'scoming from Norda.
This is a shoe and it'sapparently pretty durable too.
It should last a very long time, which is pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah, I mean it, just yeah.
From what I've read and seen,it seems like you can get at
least a few extra hundred milesout of them, and for me that
difference makes it worth theprice point as well.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yeah, no, I totally agree.
I think it's like for somethinglike that to justify the price.
So, for instance, I'm asportiva guy and I love the
Prodigio Pros.
It's the best shoe, in myopinion, that's hit the market,
besides the 005.
I just personally, I'm still inmy first pair and I've had them
for like maybe four or fivehundred miles already and I
haven't worn them down.
But I'm curious, like what isit going to be like when these

(56:49):
things like actually break down?
Like am I going to feel adifference in the pop, you know?
Like are they going to start totear?
And like what I'm trying to getis like the shoe technology in
the last few years has justgotten crazy.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
it's pretty wild yeah , yeah, yeah, pretty amazing.
I've kind of become a shoe geekin recent years and I'm not sad
about it yeah, no, for sure,for sure.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
What kind of gear do you like?
Like, what kind of gear do yourun?
And I see you have a.
Is that a normal top on?

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I do.
Yeah, we're in the normal top.
Um, yeah, I let me see.
I I wouldn't say I have like aspecific brand that I go to.
I mean, I have like a Solomonvest that I will never get rid
of.
I accidentally like bleachedthe back of it while trying to
get the white side cleaner andso it looks all goofy now, but

(57:35):
it's just my favorite vest onthis planet.
I don't remember the name of it.
It's the one where it's whiteon one side and black on the
other.
Um, and then, yeah, other thanthat, I really like John G um
for their shorts, socks, um, Idon't have any of their tops,
but I would say those are likemy go-to brands.
Um, I wouldn't.
I don't put like too much moneyor time into like running

(57:57):
clothes.
I kind of just work with what Igot.
Um, probably like half of myrunning closet is from like
Sierras, tj Maxx, just cheaperstuff that is comfortable for me
.
But yeah, oh, and I guess onelast thing I'm excited about is
I got a racing suit from On andit's actually like their track
racing suit, so it's just ultralight and yeah, I'm really

(58:18):
loving that one.
I've always had like stomachissues when my clothes are too
tight in that area, so justfinding brands that kind of work
with like my physiology hasbeen really helpful for racing.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Nice.
Are you more a vest person or abelt person, for like these
races, oh I'm 100% vest.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I've tried to wear belts but I just cannot have any
pressure on, like my midsection.
It ends up hurting my tummyLike.
I have a few race pictureswhere I think I'm literally like
stretching my shirt or my vestoutwards to try to like take
some of that pressure off andrun a little faster.
So yeah, I'm vest all the way.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Interesting.
That's really you're.
You're some of the few you know.
I don't have too many peopletell me that usually people are
belt people Like I'm, like adiehard belt person, like more
than than more than the vest,just because I feel like the
vest for me, like I don't likeanything that constricts, like
my breathing.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
You know like I don't know everybody's different.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
It's kind of cool.
I got a competition questionfor you.
What, um, what's yourrelationship like with
competition?
Are you like extremelycompetitive person, like on a
scale of one to taylor stacklike, where do you, where do you
fall on that?

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Oh gosh, I would really say it depends on the day
, but, um, I'm probably at likea seven or an eight Um I.
That's part of why I'm reallyexcited to do some more
competitive races, just because,like, when there's a girl on my
tail, I don't think I can pushmyself harder than in that
moment.
Um, or if I'm trying to catchsomeone in front of me, I, yeah,

(59:47):
I just really love being aroundother like females specifically
um, because it just pushes meto to go faster.
I think, um, I think that isthe competitive edge where I
don't really want to like letsomeone go.
But I have this other problemwhere I don't get competitive
with the guys, like if say thatI'm like leading a race, um, on

(01:00:09):
the women's side, like really Ishould be trying to chase guys
and maybe get to like a, a, ahigher um point, but I'll just
be like, oh, whatever, he'srunning his own race.
So I'd say that's kind of whereI'm at.
Um, so I'd say that's kind ofwhere I'm at.
I think I in some ways was evenmore competitive before I

(01:00:29):
really got into training.
But now that I'm trainingpretty consistently, I also try
to just have trust in my race,especially early on.
And yeah, I run my own race andnot let someone else make me
push myself to a point where Imight end up failing it's a good
answer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
No, I, I like that.
What it's interesting too?
Because, like a lot, especiallywith sub ultra, it's a weird
thing where it's like you almostlike have to and I've said this
kind of before you got toassert yourself into the race
because, like, if you don't, therace is going to pass you by.
So it's like you have to findthis mix of like just towing
that line, of like notdestroying yourself, but also,
like trying to find a rhythm.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah, it's it's kind right.
Exactly, I'd say, for the subultra distance.
My, I try not to be competitiveuntil like at least halfway to
two thirds through, and then,once I'm there, it's like okay,
it's go time.
Like you know, got to leave itall on the trail.
So yeah, or would you callyourself a competitive person?

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Oh, psycho on a level of one stack, four stack.
I won't even let my wife and Icould be on a nice leisurely
family hike with the dogs andchilling and I'll lose my mind
because I cannot let someoneeven hike past us.
I'm like we got to hurry up.
Yeah, I don't know the way mybrain thinks.
It's always kind of acompetition, which is probably
not good.

(01:01:49):
But yeah.
I don't know.
It's like a with, even withpodcasts, with everything in
life.
Um, yeah, and it was just weird, cause I had a normal childhood
, like I think about this allthe time and I asked my mom,
like where did things go Southfor me?
Like what happened?
You know, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
It's just in our blood or something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah, I, I guess it's just like I don't know, like my
dad is very competitive andlike I guess maybe my, my mom is
too and maybe that just comesthrough.
Like I don't know, like Iwouldn't say my dad's like on a
like a level of like one topsycho, like I don't I wouldn't
say he's crazy, but like I seewhere I get it from, like that
part doesn't make a little bitof sense.
But yeah, I don't knowno-transcript.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
I'll see you later.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
That's actually a good question.
So, like, how many times areyou in a race?
Cause I feel like this happensto me a lot where I'll be in a
race and I'm like I'm droppingout at the end of this climb,
like I'm hurting so bad and likeeverything just sucks, like I'm
, I'm done, I'm taking thegondola down Like my day is over
.
And then you get to the top andyou're like, nah, I'm just going
to keep going, like I.
I, bailey Kowalczyk, said thisin a podcast the other day and

(01:03:24):
it like really stuck.
Yeah, oh, I definitely relateto that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I think every one of my good races I've told myself
like I'm not going to finishthis, this is, this is not
happening.
But I don't know if you justkind of deal with that mental
stress until you feel goodenough to not remember it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, I don't know what it is.
Yeah, you just get to the top.
You're like all right, I'm justgoing to keep going, Like let's
just see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
The pain of the first climb, I don't know.
It's like hits everybody in afunny way.
So yeah it's interesting, allright, so let's start winding
down now about inspiration.
I'm curious to see who inspiresyou.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Let's see.
I'd say my biggest inspirationsare just from runners.
Do you know Stephanie Case?
I do, yeah, yeah.
So I know she's not really asub-ultra runner, in fact quite
the opposite but I don't reallyhave a sub-ultra runner who kind
of inspires me in this way, andit's just about her activism
and the way that she's usedrunning to do so much more and,

(01:04:36):
you know, support Afghan womenand just women in areas that
don't have access to running.
And I know, I think I have abelief that if you have a
platform, that you should bedoing something good with it,
and she really just embodiesthat.
So, yeah, 100% like StephanieCase.
You know Dakota Jones as well,for the same reason, um, but on

(01:04:56):
the other side of things, I amalso like, so inspired by people
like Grayson Murphy, where youknow she's not showing up to a
national championship, or like aUSA team qualifier, like hoping
to get on the USA team, likeshe knows that she's making it
on the USA team so that she cango compete for America.
And I think it's just reallybeautiful when athletes are so,

(01:05:18):
so good that you know there'sjust no doubt about it, and I
can't even imagine the hard workshe's put in to get to where
she is, um.
So I'm just inspired by that.
What she's able to do, um I'vegotten to.
I think Sunupi was the onlyrace I did with her.
But seeing her sprint awaywhile me and hundreds of other

(01:05:39):
girls are just struggling andtrailing behind her, it's pretty
awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
She's a monster dude.
And one thing I can really say Irespect about her is I know now
she's very, very candid aboutlike an auto immune disease that
she's like working through andlike she's very open about it,
you know, and it's like life isnot easy, like things are
definitely difficult, you know,and I mean, if she happens to
make the team this year and goesto worlds and who knows, she
probably has an ability to evengo win it.

(01:06:13):
The damn thing that like it'lljust put, like just I probably
put her as probably the bestfemale mountain runner of all
time in my opinion, which iskind of wild to think, like
after three or four, this wouldbe her fourth or third, I can't
remember which one, but yeah,she's already, I think, a two
time national title or worldchampion now, which is crazy
yeah, it's insane, you know, andjust yeah, I feel like she's
pretty much at that joe graylevel where you know she's just
amazing yeah, it is crazy andespecially with the way the

(01:06:35):
sport's going and howcompetitive it is, it's only
going to get harder, like to todo those things like back to
back to back and you know, likedo what joe did.
So, yeah, like I said, we mightnever see people like this again
, which is kind of a shame, butthat's the way the sport goes
are you?
Are you a morning or are you a?
Uh, a music person?

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
I am, yeah.
So I'm a musician, I playguitar and like a singer and
songwriter.
So, um, last summer I investedum into a really nice sound
system, so now I'm able to, um,just perform at local venues,
don't need to have a sound guyand deal with all of that.
So, yeah, I'm, I'm reallyexcited to kind of dive into

(01:07:16):
that more.
Um, I probably could have put abit more effort into getting
some gigs throughout the winter,but, um, there's a lot of
opportunities in the summer andLeadville, just at local bars.
We have like a little likeoutdoor food truck space called
the Aliac, so I love performingthere.
Yeah, it's, I'd say it'ssomething that kind of fuels my

(01:07:40):
running.
In some ways.
It's a really nice rest dayactivity, and other than running
and playing music, I'm prettydarn lazy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
So, yeah exactly Got to recover right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Yeah, so that's probably like the one thing that
gets me off the couch after along run.
Yeah, I just I really enjoy it.
It's also just an outlet forlike I like songwriting, kind of
as an alternative to likejournaling or something like
that.
Just turn my thoughts into moreof a poetic form.
What kind of music do you play?
Almost 100% like folk music, Iwould say.
Turn my thoughts into more of apoetic form.
What kind of music do you playum almost 100 like folk music, I

(01:08:15):
would say.
I do like to do some like popcovers and make them more folk
um, and I also do play quite abit of country as well nice,
nice, very nice.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
I could respect that super cool, all right, well,
like.
So I'm just so curious aboutlike genre.
Then, like before a race, ifyou're listening to something
hardcore like, or like what'sgood, what's getting you pumped
before a race, I've had so manypeople tell me it's like soft
music.
But like what do you?
What are you listening to?

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
oh, I am fully the opposite.
Um, my probably go-to race song, I think I like got my
centipede result by repeatingthis song in my head.
It's called little girl gone bychinchilla and it's just like
very intense, that's all I'llsay.
Um, I love that one.
Um, then I've also beenlistening to, um, a song called

(01:09:03):
pickle rick by echo, and it'sjust like a fun kind of have you
heard of it?

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
I?
Do you ever watch rick andmorty?

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
yeah, I have all right, so that's where pickle
rick came from.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
That's that actually really funny.
I've only heard of Pickle Rickthrough that.
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
It's just the song name.
It's actually Macklemore whodoes the singing, but it's a
different band who's involved.
I guess one thing about musicfor me is I have to race with
music unless a race specificallysays, no, don't wear headphones
.
I'll almost always have one in,and that's probably part of why
I like wearing a vest as well,cause I need to bring my phone

(01:09:38):
for that.
But I don't know, the rightsong just really gets me going.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
I love to hear that.
So you're like I.
So I have done this a few times.
Actually, in like one circuitrace last year I did pop in just
like one earphone, just likefor me it was dialing out like
just the noise at the beginningof the race and like just trying
to focus because, like myanxiety is like sky high I
wouldn't even say anxiety, it'sjust like nerves, which is
probably the same thing.
But like, just like at a startline before you go, like when I

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play it back in my head, like Idon't hear anything, but like
when I remember it, it's likeman, like it is, it's very loud,
it's like a lot going on, it'svery intense and you could like
dump a lot of adrenaline orcortisol, I guess, at that one
point, whereas, like I feel likeI've had music and it's just
like kind of chilled me out alittle bit, like made me just a
little more relaxed, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Yeah, kind of keeps you in that like race mode and
frame.
I definitely relate to likethat anxiety and I think, yeah,
without music, I'm just standingon the start line uncomfortable
.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Yeah, it's funny too.
Like I will occasionally putmusic in for like uphill
workouts, like especially on theincline, where, like, I hate
hearing me myself breathingreally hard, like I don't like
that.
Like where I'm like I don'tknow, almost like kind of like
it is kind of like a performanceenhancer in one way or another,
where you can't hear yourselfbreathing and it's hard.
It's like better to kind oflike you could maybe put the

(01:10:57):
throttle down a little bit more,because you can't hear like
what's going on with your body.
Yeah, it's starting to breakdown, I don't know.
Like that's.
I do it a lot.
Like usually on my Saturdayworkouts, I almost always have
music in which is probably notgood, but whatever, can I ask

(01:11:18):
what your go-to song is or genre?
Oh, I listen to a lot of EDM,like, if I'm running, I like, so
I uh it gets said yeah insteadof um, like uh, spotify or
anything.
I have SoundCloud and what I dois like I find these like
Avicii DJ sets from like 2013that are like two hours long, so
it'll fuel an entire workoutand it's like just Avicii, just
like tearing it up like a liveconcert and it's so good Cause
like you can't even hear thepeople screaming, it's more so,

(01:11:39):
just like the recording of theactual DJ set and it's like one
thing after another, afteranother after another, and like
he'll hit like a bunch of likelittle ups and a lot of downs
and like the you can just getlike your heart rate and rhythm
into that like it's.
It actually works really wellfor me.
So, yeah, 10 out of 10.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Recommend anybody I'll have to check that out
because avicii is one of myfavorites.
I yeah party music all the waywhen I'm running I love avicii,
rip love avicii.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Yeah, do you?
know sunset, jesus, that's likeone of my favorites okay and I
just started getting into likemore dubsteppy stuff, like
there's this guy, ace aura,who's like an austin texas like
underground dj and he's reallygood, and so he's got some like
some sets from like land of thelost and a couple other like uh,
like live sets that he'll putout, and those are good too.
Some of them are a little toointense where I'm like, oh wow,

(01:12:26):
I'm probably not gonna be ableto hear by the time I get to 50.
I still listen to this likesuper high, so I'm going to dial
it back a little bit, but yeah,I don't know, it's great for
running.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Definitely yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
All right, so we're almost at the end.
I want to get into the like theBigfoot question, Cause I got
asked.
I usually ask this to everybodyDo you, do you believe in
Bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Do I believe in Bigfoot?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%.
I yeah, I can't say I havethought about it too much, but I
don't know.
It's kind of the same answer aslike aliens for me, um, like
there's just no way he's not outthere.
You know what I mean and I knowthat there's probably people
who dress up and, uh, you know,are tricking someone and make a

(01:13:09):
youtube video trying to make itlook like Bigfoot.
But I also think that withinthose videos, there's also some
real ones in there and that,like I don't know, just reading
like Reddit stories about peoplewho have encountered Bigfoot, I
fully believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
If you saw Bigfoot, would you tell anyone?

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, I think I would.
I have a big mouth, so probablyprobably run around but maybe
look like a crazy person.
Actually, we um, and here inLeadville we have like the
mineral belt, which is just like12 mile, um paved little road
around um Lake County andthere's like two big foot like

(01:13:49):
not like statues, they're likecardboard wood cutouts, like two
big foot like, not like statues, they're like cardboard wood
cutouts.
So actually before I knew thatthose were there, one time I
like ran up and I saw thissilhouette and I think it was
dusk or something and I juststraight up turned around.
I thought it was real.
So maybe I wouldn't tell anyonebecause I think I just turned

(01:14:10):
right around and was like I hopethat's not what I think it is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
That's funny.
Yeah, I don't know.
I kind of like wonder if, like,I did see like something weird
in the woods, like if I wouldtell anyone I don't know like a
Bigfoot or something, I don'tknow.
I feel like we're in the agenow of like with phones and
stuff like that.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
I've heard so much crazy shit that like I I almost
like believe everything now,like I'm like way more gullible
than I probably was like fiveyears ago.
I relate to that.
Yeah, I actually I spend alittle bit too much time
thinking about like skinwalkersum, okay, just because, like a
lot of my students in this areaI don't know they're all really
into it and they all have theselittle stories and anecdotes
about you know some someonecalling their name and it, you
know, just creepy skinwalkertype stuff.
So I believe in that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
You know what dude my young cousins like brought that
up too and it's like maybe it'slike a Gen Z thing, I don't
know Like maybe it's like onTikTok or something.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
It must be, could be, I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
But yeah, I don't know.
My cousins talk about that allthe time and they're young and
I'm like, are you watching, likehistory channel?
Like what are you getting thisfrom?
So who knows, that could be it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
I have no idea.
It's like an urban legend thatsomehow has conspired through
technology and youngergenerations.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Could be.
Well, listen, allie, we'realmost at time.
I just want to say thank you somuch for coming on the podcast.
I can't wait to do round two,Wishing you the very best of
luck, especially next week atDesert Rats and throughout the
rest of your season.
I can't wait to hear howMammoth goes.
So we'll have to do a round twoat the end of the summer.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
We'll bring you out for your time and having me on,
I yeah, absolutely love yourpodcast and I just feel honored
to be on a podcast when you havesuch big names and amazing
athletes on all the time.
I mean you just interviewedlike Bailey and like Joe Henn,
right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
You're part of the group too, man.
Like it's, I love getting in.
Like you know there's.
It's like a beautiful dichotomyand like a mix of like yes, we
have like professional athletes,but also like athletes that are
like in the process of makingtheir own name in their sport,
and like you're one of them.
So you know, I can't wait tosee what you're going to
accomplish over the next fewyears, and you know it'll be fun
to follow along.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
Thank you so much, James.
I appreciate that and I'mlooking forward to follow your
racing and stuff and everythingyou do at Cirque series this
year and with Las Fortiva.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, we'll be in touch.
We'll be in touch.
Have a great rest of your day,you have a great rest of your
day.
What'd you guys think?
Oh man, what a fun episode.
I want to thank Allie so muchfor coming on the podcast.
You guys, hop on Instagram,give her a follow.
You can find her on Instagramat Allie underscore at
underscore altitude Makes sensebecause she lives at 10,000 feet
in Leadville, colorado.

(01:16:55):
And, yeah, give her a follow,send her a DM.
I'm sure she'd love to hearfrom you all.
And, yeah, let her know whatyou guys thought about the
episode.
And, yeah, she's an absoluterock star and I'm just so
excited for what she's going todo with the rest of her 2025
season and she's just gettingstarted.
So pretty fun.
Um, guys, before you get going,if you wouldn't mind, please
give us a five-star rating andreview on uh, apple, spotify or

(01:17:21):
YouTube or wherever you consumeyour podcast.
That would mean the world to meand that's how we can continue
telling, um, you know, justthese great stories of all these
amazing athletes in the sportand, uh, continue to keep
building the sport as we go.
Um, yeah, uh, I've got some funstuff coming up this week for
you guys.
It's going to be super fun.
We're going to be droppinginterviews with the I think it's
the eight, I don't know, Ican't remember, I can't count.
It's Monday, we don't do publicmath on the steep stuff podcast,

(01:17:46):
but the number of individualsthat just made the trail team
elite, which is going to besuper fun, so we're going to be
dropping interviews while them.
That includes Oakley Olson,shay Aquilano, who literally
just won a gorge waterfall, 100K this past weekend, hawk call
uh, and so many others.
It's pretty bad-ass.
So, guys, have a great rest ofyour week, keep a lookout for
those episodes and, yeah, talkto you soon.
Thank you.

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