April 21, 2025 • 37 mins
From the rugged trails of rural New Mexico to NCAA Division I running and now the competitive mountain racing scene, Emily Clarke's journey represents a thoughtful evolution in running specialties that many athletes aspire to navigate. Fresh off her selection to the 2025 Trail Team Elite roster and a second-place finish at Way Too Cool 50K, Emily joins us to share the insights she's gathered along her unique path.
Growing up with national forest trails literally at her backdoor, Emily developed an early appreciation for mountain running before heading to college. Her collegiate career took her from Claremont Mudd Scripps to the University of Nevada, where she became immersed in a trail running culture she "knew nothing about" through teammates and her eventual coach, MK Sullivan. That connection with MK has evolved from potential college coach to current mentor, providing Emily with invaluable guidance as she transitions into competitive trail racing.
Now based in Flagstaff's thriving mountain running community, Emily shares her approach to balancing road speed with technical trail skills. Her recent 50K performance demonstrated both her strengths and weaknesses – leading for 26 miles before struggling on a technical downhill section. With refreshing candor, she discusses her nutrition strategies, training philosophy, and the importance of "controlling the controllables" while maintaining a healthy relationship with competition.
As she prepares for prestigious races at Broken Arrow and Tsunopee, Emily offers a window into the mindset of an emerging trail talent who's thoughtfully building her career one race at a time. Her balanced perspective on competition, rating herself just a "6 out of 10" on the competitive scale while focusing on personal improvement, might be the secret ingredient to her early success.
Whether you're a competitive runner looking to transition to trails or simply curious about what makes trail elites tick, Emily's journey provides valuable lessons on finding flow in both track and trail environments. Follow her progress on Instagram @_emilaria as she tackles the 2025 season with the perfect blend of track speed and mountain grit.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, boys and girls, welcome back to the steep
stuff podcast.
I'm your host, james Lariello,and I'm so excited to bring you
guys an episode this morningwith none other than Miss Emily
Clark.
The 2025 trail team elitestandout selection joins us on
the pod not too long after hersecond place finish at the way
too cool 50k back in March.
Really fun conversation.
(00:20):
We talked about her track andfield seasons and kind of what
she did at the University ofNevada.
We talked about her 2024 season.
She's got actually got a lot ofracing experience and plans for
2025, where she'll be competingboth at Tsunopee and Broken
Arrow.
So that's the Mountain Classicand the Ascent, as well as the
23k.
We talked about New Mexico,what it's like living in
(00:43):
Flagstaff and so much more.
It was a great episode.
We also talked actually a lotabout nutrition and training
theory, which was a fun one aswell.
So, guys, I really enjoyed thisone.
I hope you enjoyed too.
Without further ado, none otherthan Emily Clark.
It's time.
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Emily Clark, welcome to thesteep stuff podcast.
How you doing today.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I'm doing well.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Thank you so much for having me, yeah yeah, yeah, I'm
stoked to finally have thisconversation.
I'm glad we were able to dothis.
Congratulations on making the2025 Trail Team a lead team.
It's pretty sweet.
Thank you.
Yeah, it's a super excitingopportunity, really excited for
the year.
Yeah, yeah, it should be superfun.
All right, so before we dive in, maybe give me I mean, I did
some research on your backgroundand stuff like that and we'll
(03:27):
dissect questions from there butlet me be giving you like the
five minute elevator pitch onlike your background, how you
got into running, where you'refrom, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah for sure.
So I grew up in rural NewMexico outside of Albuquerque
and I grew up running trails,national forest, like right up
against my backyard.
So it was super lucky to get tolike chase my dad around on
these loops that he had likeincorporated into his marathon
training for for years and yearsand years um.
So I grew up loving themountains, um, and like trail
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running was one of like my first.
It was kind of like the firsttype of running that I that I
really got into um yeah, andthen I went over to um Claremont
, california, um, and ran crosscountry and track for Claremont
Moods Crips, a D3 school outthere.
Um had a really awesomeexperience, um, and then had the
opportunity to like keeppursuing um the rest of my NCAA
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eligibility, um, went up to Reno, was recruited by MK Sullivan
Um and um yeah, ran a, finishedoff my eligibility up there, um,
and in the process kind of likegot uh introduced to the world
of trail racing that I didn'teven like really know uh, no,
that I that I knew nothing about.
(04:39):
Um watching MK crush it Um, andI had some teammates uh, page
who's um, for uh, the North facein australia, um, and then adam
schoen, like kind of like doingthe the crossover thing, um,
you know, running track andcross country while also being
like really, really good, um, onthe trails.
Um, yeah, and we're super luckyup there we have this like
(05:00):
incredible system of uh calledrancho, like half a mile from
campus, so all our easy runswere were up there in the, in
the reno hills.
Um, and yeah, um, when Ifinished up there I knew I
wanted to keep running and I waspretty excited about about the
trail side of things, more sothan the track and road at that
(05:20):
point and moved up to flagstaffto be a little closer to my
family and, you know, get toexperience this really epic
running community.
And, yeah, out here right now.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Super cool, love to hear it.
Love to hear it.
All right, so I got a bunch ofquestions based off that.
First one I got to ask you islike, what is it like having
Because MK is one of the biggestfemale names in the sport,
obviously, she's got a rockingpodcast and she's like she's
just a big contributor to thesport in a lot of ways what was
it like having her as a coach?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So it was actually really funny.
So she recruited me and Ihonestly I picked Nevada because
I really wanted to run for her.
Um, it was like, wow, she's soincredible, like such an
inspiring um athlete.
And then, like I felt like weconnected really well.
And then, and then it was likemy finals week in my like last
season at CMS or last semesterand I get a call from MK and
(06:10):
she's like, hey, so I'm so sorry, but I'm going to actually not
be coaching anymore, I'm goingto go all in on my own running.
It was like, oh, I'm so happyfor you, that's so awesome.
And at that point, like I wasgoing to Nevada and I was really
excited about it.
And at that point, like I wasgoing to Nevada and I was really
excited about it, but while Iwas in Nevada she wasn't
actually my coach and it workedout great because I got to like
run with her on the weekends,like we became really good
(06:30):
friends.
And then, after I like finishedup, like in the spring, it felt
like like a natural transition.
So she's my coach now.
So like she started coaching methat May and we've been working
together since then and, yeah,been a been a cool kind of
unique path, um, and it's soinspiring, uh, so just to get to
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like see her like she can likehurt like no one else, um, and
getting to see that like upclose, you know, on on runs
together and I got to pace herat Black Canyon, um, for the
last like little stretch there,um, it's, it's really, it's
really neat, it like, yeah, Ifeel like it helps me get more
out of myself and I want to belike mk when I grow up and you
(07:14):
know all that good stuff she's amonster.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, I guess definitely someone that I admire
in the sport, like great person, great human, but like even
more so, just like some of thestuff that she's been able to do
over the last few years isabsolutely crazy.
So that's super cool to be ableto learn from someone like that
and, you know, just havesomeone like that as a like a
mentor in a lot of ways.
Like I feel like that's maybeone of the hardest things, like
when you come into the sport,especially maybe from like the
NCAA background, trying tofigure out like okay, like what
(07:39):
do I do?
What races are the ones thatare competitive?
How do I get into these races?
Like just obviously, the trailteam will help play a role with
that too, but like, even justlike having someone like mk in
your corner to be able to likecoach you and kind of show you
the way who's already kind ofgoing through it, it just like
makes such a huge difference.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So yeah, absolutely 100, and like the approach that
she brings to it is really likerefreshing and and um, one that
I like to try to model, likeit's it's not that big of a deal
, you know, it's just running.
Um, it's it's supposed to bereally fun, like we can do
really hard things and make itreally fun.
Um, and yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Super cool, Super cool.
Let's talk New Mexico for asecond, just because, like I, I
have a good buddy of mine shoutout to Jeff Cuno uh, that is a
New Mexico guy.
Um, I just feel like the trailscene there is very slept on,
Like I was really happy to seeher in your ultra sign up, Like
you were signed up for Ymez andMount Taylor.
Like I know you haven't runthose races before, but like I'm
just kind of curious as likewhat inspires you about them?
(08:32):
I know Ymez is like prettycompetitive, Like it should be a
pretty sweet like throw down ofa race.
So tell me, tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, I for him is, um, like I haven't run those
trails or much in that area atall, but like just growing up,
like exploring the new mexicowilderness, it's.
It's such a underrated, likebeautiful, beautiful place, um,
and it's kind of a I think it'sa growing trail community.
It was cool this past year inalbuquerque.
Um, there were a couple likelittle races they put on in in
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the foothills and those trailsare just like fun and flowy and
there was like pretty goodturnout for it.
So I made sure to like driveback on over to to go support
that scene.
Um, it's just like, you know,it's a fun little homecoming.
Uh, like to return to, you know, mountains that I, that I
really love, and then, um, likethey're, they're good trails and
(09:21):
they're good events, yeah,super cool.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
What is it like for you now living in flagstaff?
Like obviously it's likekiller's row of like like every
athlete in the world pretty muchlives there.
Let's either like a competitivemarathon or or, you know, ultra
marathon or whatever, and youknow like it's just such a crazy
place of like athletes.
Like how are you adjusting?
Like what do you think?
Like, how do you like that areaor that town in general?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I've been loving it.
I mean, just like Flagstaff,where it is and what we have,
especially in terms of trails,is so unique, and so you know
it's such a treat.
We can go to the canyon in halfan hour.
We can be down in Sedona ifit's snowing up here in an hour
or sorry, sorry, hour and a halfto the canyon, um, like within
within two hours, we can doanything, um, and then you know,
(10:07):
we have our own mountains, likeright, right here.
It's.
It's super cool also just to belike so, just so, surrounded by
like people who are, you know,doing way crazier things than
you are like every single day,every single weekend.
It's super inspiring and likeyou can learn so much just by
talking to people and getting asense of why they're doing what
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they're doing and where they'vebeen and how they got here.
So I'm just trying to take itall in and really get dragged
down some techie descents bypeople who are much better at
them than I am and, yeah, I feelreally privileged to get to be
here right now.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
It's super cool.
Yeah, it's such a spot I feellike too.
The diversity of trails is justreally good.
You can get your dirt roads,you can get your flat stuff, but
also you can get your steep andtechnical and old in and around
there.
So it's, I guess, the what'sthe name of that mountain that
opens up by the ski bowl.
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Humphreys.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, super cool, super cool.
I got to ask you, sue, you justran a 5K, was it this past
weekend or something like that?
Tell me about that.
What went down there?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah.
So I guess at the beginning ofMarch I ran a 50K over in Way
Too Cool and I wasn't sureexactly how the body was going
to come off it.
But some friends in in flag,we're looking for like a fun
road race to go out to, andCarlsbad's only like seven hours
from us.
So we're like, okay, cool,we'll make a road trip to the
beach out of the deal, like ripa little 5k.
And yeah, I the the comebackfrom the turnaround from the 50K
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was like a little bit slowerthan maybe I'd hoped, and so it
was.
It was really just like a goodvibes.
Uh, go run fast with my friendslike you know, see how it feels
to to rip a, to rip a 5K forthe first time in a long time.
Um, and yeah, I think it's,it's really good to, you know,
run fast and it was.
It was pretty like refreshingto like not have it feel like a
(12:04):
big deal or anything like that.
And it was neat because Carlyand Andy and some other trail
team folk were out there too, sowe got to get dinner with them
Like I ran with Carly for mostof the race.
Yeah, great little trip, likefeel like it built some momentum
for for trail season here, eventhough it'll be totally
different.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Super fun, super.
I I don't know.
I just feel like I don't knowand you could tell me how you
think about this.
But like I, I find a lot ofpeople that like, identify as
trail runners and don't reallyopen up on the roads at all.
And I'm just like man, like youcould have a whole road season
and a whole trail season andit's just like so much fun
because you could build so muchfitness.
I don't know the way you viewit.
I'm curious to get your take onthis.
(12:45):
Like, as you evolve and grow inthe sport, like, will you try
and keep like a track and roadseason and then do a trail
season?
It seems to be the way like alot of like the higher end
athletes are doing it these days.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think running fast is really fun and
I think being able to like kindof nail fast workouts is also
like a really good skill.
That like will hopefully likehelp me continue to improve as a
trail athlete, even when it'snot specifically like
transferable.
So I did like a like a bigbuild for a half this this um
winter and I felt like that setme up like super well for the
50k.
So I definitely plan to kind ofkeep that that sort of like you
(13:19):
know dedicated period of likeall right, you're ripping some,
some like hard, hard, hardtempos and stuff um as part of
every year, because I don't wantto, I don't want to lose my,
lose my speed and and everythingbuilds on it on itself, I feel
like way stronger as a as a fastrunner than I than I, or as a
flat and fast runner than I thanI did a year ago, like with all
the trail miles under my legsafter this past and yeah, vice
(13:43):
versa.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, there's something to be said about it.
Like it is really like I'vebeen doing a block on the like,
mostly on the roads and track,over the last three weeks and
like I'm just like man, like Iwish I did this longer, like
it's just so much fun.
Before I got on the phone withyou, I was just I came back
starts to wear on you.
You start to really enjoy beingable to run fast.
It's like wow, I you know causetrail running, especially for
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like steep mountain stuff, like,relatively speaking, like I'm,
it's not very fast, like it canbe, but like depending on what
you're running.
But so when you're ripping itup on the trail or on the roads,
it's, it's kind of a blast.
Um, curious about your buildright now are you starting to
get like more specific and getready for sunup and broken arrow
?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
yeah.
So this week is kind of like ayeah, um, you know, return to
vert, basically, um and so likedoing a lot of like steep hike
doubles and um, just trying tolike get the legs primed to be
able to, to be able to like havea big, big block of that this
this spring.
Um, I think that, like for me,I'll get fit and I'll like the
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uphills will will be good, but Ireally need to like work on the
technicality of the downhillsfor centerpiece specifically.
So, um, yeah, I think afterafter carlsbad, we've like
turned the corner.
It's like fully trail season.
Now.
I'll definitely do some likeflat stuff, uh, here and there,
but mostly know we're going tothe canyon this weekend and,
(15:09):
yeah, just like lots of EldonLops.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Nice, nice, Love to hear it.
Okay, cool, Are you so you've,you've?
You've raced a Broken Arrowbefore, so are you must be so
stoked to go back and rip it upthis year.
What are your thoughts on that?
What are your thoughts on that?
What are you more excited forSoon to appear broken arrow.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Oh, they're so different.
I'm so excited for the both.
I feel like Senate is excitingbecause I think I have like a
lot I can work on to to try tonail that day.
But broken arrow Um, it feelslike a home race because I spent
like two years in Reno and it's, you know, 45 minutes away from
Reno, um, so I ran the 11k likein between my like two Nevada
seasons uh, in 2023 I guess andthat was so fun like it was the
(15:48):
super snowy year, so it was likeI had never glissaded before
and I never did anything likethat before and you know, just
ripping down the mountain, um,and it was just like a really
fun introduction.
So, uh, very positive taste inmy mouth about Broken Arrow.
And then last year, um, I wascoming off like a pretty big
injury in the spring that likeunfortunately cut that like
track season short and I wasbeing pretty stubborn like I was
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like I'm gonna race trails thissummer I don't even care like
and and luckily my body held upfor it and MK like helped me do
that in a in a smart way.
So I ended up running the VKrather than the 23k that year
and, you know, just like alittle easier on the body and I
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was like way undercooked, but itwas a good, a good learning
experience, you know.
And now I'm really excited toget to return to it, like with
some fitness and also knowledgeof the course and like, yeah,
it's going to be such a loadedyear, so super excited to be
able to do the double and tolike, yeah, I feel like I can
like be as competitive as I wantto be.
Um, rather than just like beinggrateful to, I mean, I was very
grateful to be able to race atall last year, but this year
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we're going to hit it.
I'm really excited.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Oh, I love to hear it .
That's super exciting.
What do you think?
Like?
I mean, I don't know, I feellike for a track and field
athlete, like, obviously, likeyou see, like ladies like Anna
Gibson come off the track andjust absolutely nail.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
The VK Is your strength more in the climbing,
if you will, or like what isyour strength flying?
It was kind of funny last yearbecause so, yeah, I was coming
off that injury and a lot ofwhat I was doing before I could
run a lot was just like hardsteep hikes, and it's wild, like
you know how hard you can makea steep hike, and so I felt like
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last year my strength washonestly like the steepest parts
of each of those races, Um, solike the beginning of the VK at
Broken Arrow and like the upperwalking bus segment at Loon, Um,
and I think that like I'mexcited to carry that, that like
that background from last yearforward into this year, that
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background from last yearforward into this year, Um, but
yeah, I think I also have like apretty good aerobic engine, um,
that translates pretty well touphills.
So I would say that that's mystrength, Um, and then you know
when, when there's places toturn over, I've got the turnover
.
So, yeah, working on thedownhills, working on the
downhills working on thedownhills.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I feel like that's every everyone's weakness.
I hate technical downhills.
Working on the downhills,working on the downhills, I feel
like that's every everyone'sweakness.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I hate technical downhills.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I think everybody does.
I think you have to like, learnto love it.
Like the only person I knowthat I think I've ever talked to
on the podcast, that's like, Ilove technical downhills is like
dan kurtz.
I'm like what a random thing.
You're a track and fieldathlete.
I think you would be amazing onthe uphill, like what the hell.
So, yeah, some people are, it'sdifferent.
Um, yeah, so let's talk.
Let's talk about your schedule.
So, obviously, you got you mez,you got franklin.
Obviously soon api, brokenarrow.
(18:29):
Is there anything on therethat's not showing up on ultra?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
sign up that, uh, you're going to be going to um,
I think my plan is kind of tolike hit the beginning half of
the season here, you know, withum hey mez, son of p, broken
arrow um and of like, assesswhere we're at um and build, you
know, the rest of the summerbased off that.
Uh, I either, potentially, willlike go to Europe, um, uh, or
(18:54):
um hit some like 50k's and stuffin the fall.
Um, in terms of like, in thisbeginning block that's not on
there.
I'll probably run GoPro games,um, tbd, what, but it should
just be like a fun little likeuh leap into like the trail team
.
We have a camp that that weekand we had a really big turnout
for it last year, so excited forthat um, but yeah, mostly just
gonna like focus on the firstsegment and then like talk to
(19:16):
mga, figure out what seemsexciting and what I think um,
you know where I'm at we'll likeplay best into and then figure
out the rest of the year fromthere.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Super cool.
I'm curious, like as someonenew to the sport well,
relatively you're not reallylike super new, cause you've
raced before I'm just curious,like from your point of view
like what are you excited torace?
Like what?
Uh, like, is the golden trailseries eventually?
Like what?
What pulls your interest?
Is it like longer stuff?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Um, I feel like I'm excited to race everything.
That's.
That's not a good answer.
But, um, I think like I'mparticularly excited about like
domestic stuff.
Um, there's just like so muchout here in in the west in
particular, um and uh, you know,it's like the rut everyone says
is like such a fun event andlike I've had so much fun at
Mammoth the last couple years,um, and there's so many um
little things like that.
And then you know, like thelocal stuff in New Mexico like
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I'm excited to to dive into that.
I think, like long term, Ireally had fun with the 50k at
way too cool, um, I felt like Ifound like a flow and I felt
really strong and I think thatlike who I am as an athlete,
like in terms of rhythm and likethe type of training I like to
do, like finds really well with,with, with that distance, um,
in the like medium term future,um.
(20:27):
So, yeah, a little bit ofeverything.
Likely more 50k next year, um,but but yeah, we'll just see.
I just want to keep followingwhat's exciting and yeah super
cool.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, I think the best part about it is like yeah,
you got to follow what excitesyou.
Like different people gettingstoked over different things.
Like just because it's one raceas part of a series doesn't
mean you need to do the entireseries like it's.
I feel like that's like a trap.
I've seen a lot of athletesfall into where it's like, oh, I
gotta go chase the series forthe points, for the money or for
this and that.
But that's like just do becauseit gets you excited, right.
Like yeah, I'm curious with you.
(21:01):
Uh, let's talk.
Um, uh, way too cool.
Like what, what was yourexperience?
Like that's a fast, likeprobably the fastest 50 K, if
not one of the fastest 50 Ks inAmerica.
Well, how did the race unfoldfor you?
Like, what was your experiencelike there?
And tell me all about it?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, um, so I want to throw that race because, uh,
like the year before, two before, um, from Reno, we had like
driven over to like spect, we'llwatch some friends who are
racing, and then, um, it was asuper cool event, you could just
tell, but it was.
But it was that crazy winter.
You know, the whole country hada crazy winter, it seemed like.
But in Reno we were justgetting like an atmospheric
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river every weekend.
Um, and uh, yeah, long storyshort, um, it was there was a
big storm coming and we ended uplike losing the battle with the
blizzard like back over thepass.
It was like a whole like crazyweekend road trip with friends.
Um, uh, you know, hour and ahalf drive becomes an eight,
eight hour drive back and youknow, it just felt like a very,
(21:57):
very big event for that spring.
But then, like, still, like therace was was like such a fun
scene and you could tell thatthose trails were beautiful and
fun and um, like very fast, uh,so, yeah, I knew 150k, I wanted
to kind of go back to reno.
So, yeah, it seemed like theobvious choice.
And then, um, yeah, I had likea pretty like quick block off my
off my half training, but I'mlike a pretty high volume person
(22:20):
anyway.
So it transitioned well, justdid like some like specific long
runs, and then didn't reallyknow what to expect, like
especially in the last five, sixmiles.
You know, just like unchartedterritory.
So kind of went into it withthe mindset of just like, run
fast while I can and then we'llproblem solve when the problems
arise, if the problems arise.
So I took it out uh hard and Iled the first 26 miles.
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Um was just like trying totrying to keep pressing like the
whole time, um, and then, yeah,at that point, uh, jen caught
me at the top of that climb andit was like the very beginning
of like a steep techie downhill.
Um, and like my hip flexors werelike so cooked I had never
experienced, like you know, astructural failure in a race
(23:02):
before because I've never racedthat long before and um just
couldn't, couldn't go with hermove.
But like was, uh, you know,still like very mentally in it
and just like trying to keeppressing and trying to regroup
like on the smoother stuff.
That felt better.
Um, and she like ran a supersmart, super strong race and uh
(23:23):
and yeah, but the whole thingabout one of those perfect days
you get into a flow state andeverything goes right, and I
know that's super rare, so itwas, yeah, grateful for that,
and it definitely gave me the50K bug.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So Super cool.
If you don't mind me asking Ithink the audience might get a
lot out of this what's yournutrition situation like?
Are you subscribed to thiscrazy grams per hour kind of
deal, or like what are you?
What are you doing fornutrition?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
yeah, um, again, super nice to have like mk for
as a mentor in this, in thissituation.
But we kind of worked out.
I've been shooting for, likeyou know, about 75 grams per
hour, so like not on the likehigh, high end, um, but that
seems to like be enough for meand it doesn't put my stomach
over the edge.
So so I was just doing like 60grams of tailwind in a bottle
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and a goo like for the firstlike two and a half hours and
then, and then the stomach got alittle, a little worse and it
was just like get in what I can,um, but trying to trying to
stay on it and mostly doing likeliquid liquid carbs, um,
because you know it's a loteasier to drink than it is to
the slurp.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, for sure, yeah the G.
I feel like man, three gels anhour for three hour race or four
hour race, like damn, that's alot of like, that's a lot of
gels.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Let me drink my sugar water, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That's funny.
I'm curious about cause I dowant to go back to you like your
relationship with MK from acoaching perspective, cause it
seems like you're veryintelligent and you know a lot
about training.
What is that like thatrelationship Like?
Is it more like guidance fromher or is it a lot?
Is it very conversational withall we should you know like
cause I've seen a lot of likeathlete relationships with
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coaches where they just assignyou just assign X amount in a
block and the athlete just doesit.
There's not a lot ofconversation there other than
the communication that they didit or didn't do it.
It sounds like with you youreally know what you're doing in
the sense of these builds andstuff like that.
So maybe talk about that howit's, maybe a collaboration.
It seems like right.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, it's been cool because it's kind of evolved.
When we first started workingtogether, like, we started
working together the week Istarted my run walk back from
from an injury and so for thefirst like really like six
months of our coachingrelationship, um, what, what I
think I it was, it was, it wasgood, it was very, it was very
needed.
Um, she was like very,extremely specific, like okay,
(25:42):
you're running three miles this,that, and then you're cross
training and then you're, youknow, um like kind of keeping
keeping me under wraps, likekeeping me patient, and I just
needed to be like told what todo at that point, like couldn't
overthink it, just had to likebe patient with the, with the
process, and like let my bodyget all the way back to where it
was going to get.
Um, but like at the beginningof every season and like kind of
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throughout our blocks, we likeat the beginning of every season
and like kind of throughout ourblocks, we like we'll, we'll
have conversations and we'llsort of, like you know, sketch
out like what, what we're goingto look at, like what we're
going to focus on, like what wethink weaknesses and strengths
and stuff are, and she'll justlike, pretty much write me a
workout and like a specific longrun and you know some, some
(26:26):
strides and all that throughoutthe week, and then I'll kind of
structure my week around that.
It's usually like I'll text youafter my workout and we'll like
talk about how it went um, andthen you know she'll adjust like
what the next week's gonna looklike.
And I think if she, she sensesshe knows me really well like as
a person and as an athlete, andso it's cool.
It's like she says I need likea confidence builder workout,
that's that's what we'll do.
(26:46):
Or if she's like okay, cool,like steeps are going well, like
let's keep it coming, um, sovery flexible, and it's it's
really nice to like be workingwith someone that like I know
personally and like I can, youknow I can call her mid workout
and be like okay, is thissupposed to be like 10 out of 10
hard or not?
And yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
So a little bit of everything, yeah, I know I like
that and I thank you for beingcandid.
I was just curious Cause, likeyou know, it's really just so
important to have someone likeas a coach that just like really
knows you, you know, and Ithink that's super cool for the
relationship.
Let's talk trail team.
I'm just curious.
Okay, so like, obviously you've, you know, you've kind of been
around the sport for a year ortwo.
You've been around the sportfor a year or two, you've done
some trail races.
I'm curious, what inspired youto apply, because you're
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obviously a great candidate, aperfect candidate, for the elite
team.
What got?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
you to fill out the application.
I applied last year and I endedup as part of the club team.
I got to know Andy and Carlyand like um, they're like put on
these awesome camps and um likegot to like kind of meet, part
of meet the community at thesedifferent events that like we
were all going to um and so thatwas super cool and I was like,
(27:59):
um, you know what they're doingin terms of building community
and like providing just like apath in like this space where
sometimes it's like very, veryunclear like how you possibly
could get from point a to pointb.
Um, it's super neat and so Iwanted to apply apply again, um,
because, yeah, I'm still on thepath and um, like their help,
(28:24):
like last year in terms of justlike guidance and uh, yeah,
housing and support andeverything um was like huge for
like me being able to like kindof keep pursuing this seriously,
um, and I want to keep pursuingit seriously.
So, yeah, super cool.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
No, thank you for being candid about that and
answering.
I was very curious because,like I said, it's great fit.
Um, I'm curious like so I knowthey'll be putting on a bunch of
camps this year.
I think there's a, the grandlake one.
Which ones will you be able togo to all of them, or how does
that work for you?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
um, yeah, um, that's the plan, definitely like
pending employment situation andall that, uh, but the goal is
to is to be, at all of them, um,really excited for the, the
mammoth camp that um willhopefully come together.
Uh, like that area is sobeautiful and again, it's kind
of like just outside the likereno backyard, so it's really
(29:17):
fun to go, go back there supercool.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, all right, I gotta ask because obviously now
you're trail team elite,obviously it builds up to
something bigger than that Like,will you try to be pursuing a
professional contracts next yearafter this is all done?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, yeah, Um, I think yeah, if that opportunity
like feels right and andpresents itself, that would be
like super exciting, Absolutedream.
But, um, you know, at the sametime, like having autonomy and
my running is also reallyawesome.
Not that that, not that I wouldlike lose that in.
Yeah, Um, yeah, we'll just see.
(29:52):
We'll just see what happens.
I definitely want to like keeprunning hard and getting better
and like any support in that islike incredible and be very
blessed to have it.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Super cool, super cool.
What shoes are you running inthese days?
Like what's your go-to workoutshoe?
What's your trail shoe?
Like what are you?
What are you rocking?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I mix it up.
Um, I wear the Solomon ultraglides a lot, um, cause, cause I
can put like 800 miles on them,honestly, um, and and they feel
good I'm close to the ground.
Um, I race way too cool in roadshoes.
Uh, I uh tried the the normalTomi years and I really like
(30:30):
them on like slick rock stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
They're awesome, um, but yeah, depends on the day,
depends on the terrain I like tohear it very cool yeah, I mean,
I feel like yeah there's somany different things, and
especially for like a race, likeway too cool.
Yeah, why would you not race itin road shoes?
Yeah yeah like anything now.
Like it's like I don't know atleast the way I view it.
Like anything now.
Like it's like I don't know atleast the way I view it.
Is like anything that's likeeven rolly or flat, like you
gotta wear road shoes.
(30:51):
It's gives a little boost, youknow you just feel a little
faster.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
All right, so we're almost about 30 minutes.
I know we got a hard stop foryou at 45.
So I'm curious to hear yourrelationship with competition.
On a scale of 1 to 10, where doyou fall on that spectrum and
how do you view it?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Interesting.
That's a good question.
I think I'm actually not a supercompetitive person, maybe a 6.
I'm very motivated by gettingthe most out of myself, um, but
I think I have to kind of likepush myself to, to like be
competitive, um, like externally, uh, and yeah, like way too
(31:38):
cool was really fun because itfelt like one of those days
where I got like 99% of likewhat I could out of myself, um,
and I, you know, like all youcan do is like control what you
can control, and so, like what'sworked for me throughout my
running career on the track, onthe roads, um, on the trails,
(31:59):
has just been like, you know,doing what I can and like being
patient with the process andlike getting a little bit better
and a little bit better and alittle bit better.
And where that spits me out andhas me stack up, yeah, that's a
little out of my control, but Ican control how much I work on
these techie downhills thisspring and how hard I run the
(32:21):
Blue Dot segment and how I keepa handle on my recovery and all
that.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
So controlling your controllables.
I like that's a very healthyway to view it.
My opinion like I've met somepeople that are like on a scale
of one to ten, like psychos, I'mjust like man.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's not a healthy place to be no, but it's cool
like people can get a lot out ofit that way too.
For sure, for sure.
Everybody's different you know.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, I gotta ask you .
This one's a little out of leftfield, but it's a Flagstaff
question.
Is pizza like.
Does it live up to the hype?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
If you, when you're when you're coming through town,
you gotta, you gotta hit it.
They do this thing in May where, like, if you get up to the top
of Eldon before 8am, you get afree pizza, and so I'm really
looking forward to that.
It'll be my first.
I can't remember what it'scalled.
Uh drew to eldon, I think.
Yeah, um, but everyone talksabout it, yeah wow, that's
(33:14):
pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, all right, big shout out to pizza club.
I gotta try it next time I'm intown.
Super definitely, all right.
So another cool question foryou.
I'm curious who inspires you?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
um, we've talked about a little bit already but
but, uh, in the running space,like mk, um 100, um, she is just
like, yeah, such a model ofbalance and grit and, yeah,
positivity and joy and like um,I'm inspired by like uh, yeah,
(33:47):
uh, seeing how she has likebuilt her life and her career.
Um, yeah, similarly, I thinklike a lot of the folks that I
get to like hang out with day today here in flag, like um are
are just like inspiring in their, in their own individual paths
and stories and yeah super cool.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Are you a music person like you?
Uh, like what's your?
And all right, this is atwo-parter.
What are you a music personinto?
Like what's the hype up songbefore?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
like a hard effort oh , that's a good question.
Um, yes, I'm a music person.
I, yeah, I shamelessly musicfor workouts.
I know some people are like Ido on that, I'm on that.
Yeah, um, I like, I like a goodDominic Fike um hype up pre
pre-workout, okay Um yeah, Iliterally just made a post
(34:40):
that's supposed to post tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
It's got what is it?
Superstar, superstar, shit song.
I think is what it is.
It's a great song, it's a basicsong.
I'm surprised you're the firstperson that's ever like brought
him up.
All right, very cool, you justgot to the top of my list.
Very awesome, awesome, allright.
So last question is usually isusually a crazy one Uh, it's
usually especially cause you'rein Flagstaff, I feel like that's
more Arizona, I think of likeUFOs and aliens, plus New Mexico
(35:01):
and and, uh, roswell.
Do you believe in aliens andhave you ever been to?
Roswell.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I've been to Roswell.
I don't know if I believe inlike the Roswell aliens, but I
believe in aliens 100%.
There's no way they're not outthere yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Roswell is a crazy place.
I have been myself.
There's like a UFO museum.
It's pretty dope.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
It's very unique.
Yeah, super cool.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Super cool, super cool.
All right, emily, I don't wantto take all your afternoon.
Thank you so much for coming onthe podcast.
It's a great conversation.
Wish you the best of luck inyour 2025 season and we'll chat
in probably the next couple ofmonths.
I'm going to start doing somebuild up stuff for Broken Arrow
and Soonapiece, so we'll be intouch.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Sweet, thank you so much for your time.
It was so nice to chat with you.
Yeah, you too.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
What'd you guys think ?
Oh man, what a fun episode.
I want to wish Emily theabsolute best of luck in her
2025 season and plans that shehas for the rest of the season.
It's going to be a fun one.
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I'm sure she'd love to hearsome not just words of
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What's up, boys and girls, welcome back to the steep
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I'm your host, james Lariello,and I'm so excited to bring you
guys an episode this morningwith none other than Miss Emily
Clark.
The 2025 trail team elitestandout selection joins us on
the pod not too long after hersecond place finish at the way
too cool 50k back in March.
Really fun conversation.
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We talked about her track andfield seasons and kind of what
she did at the University ofNevada.
We talked about her 2024 season.
She's got actually got a lot ofracing experience and plans for
2025, where she'll be competingboth at Tsunopee and Broken
Arrow.
So that's the Mountain Classicand the Ascent, as well as the
23k.
We talked about New Mexico,what it's like living in
(00:43):
Flagstaff and so much more.
It was a great episode.
We also talked actually a lotabout nutrition and training
theory, which was a fun one aswell.
So, guys, I really enjoyed thisone.
I hope you enjoyed too.
Without further ado, none otherthan Emily Clark.
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Emily Clark, welcome to thesteep stuff podcast.
How you doing today.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I'm doing well.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Thank you so much for having me, yeah yeah, yeah, I'm
stoked to finally have thisconversation.
I'm glad we were able to dothis.
Congratulations on making the2025 Trail Team a lead team.
It's pretty sweet.
Thank you.
Yeah, it's a super excitingopportunity, really excited for
the year.
Yeah, yeah, it should be superfun.
All right, so before we dive in, maybe give me I mean, I did
some research on your backgroundand stuff like that and we'll
(03:27):
dissect questions from there butlet me be giving you like the
five minute elevator pitch onlike your background, how you
got into running, where you'refrom, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah for sure.
So I grew up in rural NewMexico outside of Albuquerque
and I grew up running trails,national forest, like right up
against my backyard.
So it was super lucky to get tolike chase my dad around on
these loops that he had likeincorporated into his marathon
training for for years and yearsand years um.
So I grew up loving themountains, um, and like trail
(03:55):
running was one of like my first.
It was kind of like the firsttype of running that I that I
really got into um yeah, andthen I went over to um Claremont
, california, um, and ran crosscountry and track for Claremont
Moods Crips, a D3 school outthere.
Um had a really awesomeexperience, um, and then had the
opportunity to like keeppursuing um the rest of my NCAA
(04:17):
eligibility, um, went up to Reno, was recruited by MK Sullivan
Um and um yeah, ran a, finishedoff my eligibility up there, um,
and in the process kind of likegot uh introduced to the world
of trail racing that I didn'teven like really know uh, no,
that I that I knew nothing about.
(04:39):
Um watching MK crush it Um, andI had some teammates uh, page
who's um, for uh, the North facein australia, um, and then adam
schoen, like kind of like doingthe the crossover thing, um,
you know, running track andcross country while also being
like really, really good, um, onthe trails.
Um, yeah, and we're super luckyup there we have this like
(05:00):
incredible system of uh calledrancho, like half a mile from
campus, so all our easy runswere were up there in the, in
the reno hills.
Um, and yeah, um, when Ifinished up there I knew I
wanted to keep running and I waspretty excited about about the
trail side of things, more sothan the track and road at that
(05:20):
point and moved up to flagstaffto be a little closer to my
family and, you know, get toexperience this really epic
running community.
And, yeah, out here right now.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Super cool, love to hear it.
Love to hear it.
All right, so I got a bunch ofquestions based off that.
First one I got to ask you islike, what is it like having
Because MK is one of the biggestfemale names in the sport,
obviously, she's got a rockingpodcast and she's like she's
just a big contributor to thesport in a lot of ways what was
it like having her as a coach?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So it was actually really funny.
So she recruited me and Ihonestly I picked Nevada because
I really wanted to run for her.
Um, it was like, wow, she's soincredible, like such an
inspiring um athlete.
And then, like I felt like weconnected really well.
And then, and then it was likemy finals week in my like last
season at CMS or last semesterand I get a call from MK and
(06:10):
she's like, hey, so I'm so sorry, but I'm going to actually not
be coaching anymore, I'm goingto go all in on my own running.
It was like, oh, I'm so happyfor you, that's so awesome.
And at that point, like I wasgoing to Nevada and I was really
excited about it.
And at that point, like I wasgoing to Nevada and I was really
excited about it, but while Iwas in Nevada she wasn't
actually my coach and it workedout great because I got to like
run with her on the weekends,like we became really good
(06:30):
friends.
And then, after I like finishedup, like in the spring, it felt
like like a natural transition.
So she's my coach now.
So like she started coaching methat May and we've been working
together since then and, yeah,been a been a cool kind of
unique path, um, and it's soinspiring, uh, so just to get to
(06:52):
like see her like she can likehurt like no one else, um, and
getting to see that like upclose, you know, on on runs
together and I got to pace herat Black Canyon, um, for the
last like little stretch there,um, it's, it's really, it's
really neat, it like, yeah, Ifeel like it helps me get more
out of myself and I want to belike mk when I grow up and you
(07:14):
know all that good stuff she's amonster.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yeah, I guess definitely someone that I admire
in the sport, like great person, great human, but like even
more so, just like some of thestuff that she's been able to do
over the last few years isabsolutely crazy.
So that's super cool to be ableto learn from someone like that
and, you know, just havesomeone like that as a like a
mentor in a lot of ways.
Like I feel like that's maybeone of the hardest things, like
when you come into the sport,especially maybe from like the
NCAA background, trying tofigure out like okay, like what
(07:39):
do I do?
What races are the ones thatare competitive?
How do I get into these races?
Like just obviously, the trailteam will help play a role with
that too, but like, even justlike having someone like mk in
your corner to be able to likecoach you and kind of show you
the way who's already kind ofgoing through it, it just like
makes such a huge difference.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So yeah, absolutely 100, and like the approach that
she brings to it is really likerefreshing and and um, one that
I like to try to model, likeit's it's not that big of a deal
, you know, it's just running.
Um, it's it's supposed to bereally fun, like we can do
really hard things and make itreally fun.
Um, and yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Super cool, Super cool.
Let's talk New Mexico for asecond, just because, like I, I
have a good buddy of mine shoutout to Jeff Cuno uh, that is a
New Mexico guy.
Um, I just feel like the trailscene there is very slept on,
Like I was really happy to seeher in your ultra sign up, Like
you were signed up for Ymez andMount Taylor.
Like I know you haven't runthose races before, but like I'm
just kind of curious as likewhat inspires you about them?
(08:32):
I know Ymez is like prettycompetitive, Like it should be a
pretty sweet like throw down ofa race.
So tell me, tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, I for him is, um, like I haven't run those
trails or much in that area atall, but like just growing up,
like exploring the new mexicowilderness, it's.
It's such a underrated, likebeautiful, beautiful place, um,
and it's kind of a I think it'sa growing trail community.
It was cool this past year inalbuquerque.
Um, there were a couple likelittle races they put on in in
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the foothills and those trailsare just like fun and flowy and
there was like pretty goodturnout for it.
So I made sure to like driveback on over to to go support
that scene.
Um, it's just like, you know,it's a fun little homecoming.
Uh, like to return to, you know, mountains that I, that I
really love, and then, um, likethey're, they're good trails and
(09:21):
they're good events, yeah,super cool.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
What is it like for you now living in flagstaff?
Like obviously it's likekiller's row of like like every
athlete in the world pretty muchlives there.
Let's either like a competitivemarathon or or, you know, ultra
marathon or whatever, and youknow like it's just such a crazy
place of like athletes.
Like how are you adjusting?
Like what do you think?
Like, how do you like that areaor that town in general?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I've been loving it.
I mean, just like Flagstaff,where it is and what we have,
especially in terms of trails,is so unique, and so you know
it's such a treat.
We can go to the canyon in halfan hour.
We can be down in Sedona ifit's snowing up here in an hour
or sorry, sorry, hour and a halfto the canyon, um, like within
within two hours, we can doanything, um, and then you know,
(10:07):
we have our own mountains, likeright, right here.
It's.
It's super cool also just to belike so, just so, surrounded by
like people who are, you know,doing way crazier things than
you are like every single day,every single weekend.
It's super inspiring and likeyou can learn so much just by
talking to people and getting asense of why they're doing what
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they're doing and where they'vebeen and how they got here.
So I'm just trying to take itall in and really get dragged
down some techie descents bypeople who are much better at
them than I am and, yeah, I feelreally privileged to get to be
here right now.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
It's super cool.
Yeah, it's such a spot I feellike too.
The diversity of trails is justreally good.
You can get your dirt roads,you can get your flat stuff, but
also you can get your steep andtechnical and old in and around
there.
So it's, I guess, the what'sthe name of that mountain that
opens up by the ski bowl.
I can't remember.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Humphreys.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, super cool, super cool.
I got to ask you, sue, you justran a 5K, was it this past
weekend or something like that?
Tell me about that.
What went down there?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah.
So I guess at the beginning ofMarch I ran a 50K over in Way
Too Cool and I wasn't sureexactly how the body was going
to come off it.
But some friends in in flag,we're looking for like a fun
road race to go out to, andCarlsbad's only like seven hours
from us.
So we're like, okay, cool,we'll make a road trip to the
beach out of the deal, like ripa little 5k.
And yeah, I the the comebackfrom the turnaround from the 50K
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was like a little bit slowerthan maybe I'd hoped, and so it
was.
It was really just like a goodvibes.
Uh, go run fast with my friendslike you know, see how it feels
to to rip a, to rip a 5K forthe first time in a long time.
Um, and yeah, I think it's,it's really good to, you know,
run fast and it was.
It was pretty like refreshingto like not have it feel like a
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big deal or anything like that.
And it was neat because Carlyand Andy and some other trail
team folk were out there too, sowe got to get dinner with them
Like I ran with Carly for mostof the race.
Yeah, great little trip, likefeel like it built some momentum
for for trail season here, eventhough it'll be totally
different.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Super fun, super.
I I don't know.
I just feel like I don't knowand you could tell me how you
think about this.
But like I, I find a lot ofpeople that like, identify as
trail runners and don't reallyopen up on the roads at all.
And I'm just like man, like youcould have a whole road season
and a whole trail season andit's just like so much fun
because you could build so muchfitness.
I don't know the way you viewit.
I'm curious to get your take onthis.
(12:45):
Like, as you evolve and grow inthe sport, like, will you try
and keep like a track and roadseason and then do a trail
season?
It seems to be the way like alot of like the higher end
athletes are doing it these days.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think running fast is really fun and
I think being able to like kindof nail fast workouts is also
like a really good skill.
That like will hopefully likehelp me continue to improve as a
trail athlete, even when it'snot specifically like
transferable.
So I did like a like a bigbuild for a half this this um
winter and I felt like that setme up like super well for the
50k.
So I definitely plan to kind ofkeep that that sort of like you
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know dedicated period of likeall right, you're ripping some,
some like hard, hard, hardtempos and stuff um as part of
every year, because I don't wantto, I don't want to lose my,
lose my speed and and everythingbuilds on it on itself, I feel
like way stronger as a as a fastrunner than I than I, or as a
flat and fast runner than I thanI did a year ago, like with all
the trail miles under my legsafter this past and yeah, vice
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versa.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, there's something to be said about it.
Like it is really like I'vebeen doing a block on the like,
mostly on the roads and track,over the last three weeks and
like I'm just like man, like Iwish I did this longer, like
it's just so much fun.
Before I got on the phone withyou, I was just I came back
starts to wear on you.
You start to really enjoy beingable to run fast.
It's like wow, I you know causetrail running, especially for
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like steep mountain stuff, like,relatively speaking, like I'm,
it's not very fast, like it canbe, but like depending on what
you're running.
But so when you're ripping itup on the trail or on the roads,
it's, it's kind of a blast.
Um, curious about your buildright now are you starting to
get like more specific and getready for sunup and broken arrow
?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
yeah.
So this week is kind of like ayeah, um, you know, return to
vert, basically, um and so likedoing a lot of like steep hike
doubles and um, just trying tolike get the legs primed to be
able to, to be able to like havea big, big block of that this
this spring.
Um, I think that, like for me,I'll get fit and I'll like the
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uphills will will be good, but Ireally need to like work on the
technicality of the downhillsfor centerpiece specifically.
So, um, yeah, I think afterafter carlsbad, we've like
turned the corner.
It's like fully trail season.
Now.
I'll definitely do some likeflat stuff, uh, here and there,
but mostly know we're going tothe canyon this weekend and,
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yeah, just like lots of EldonLops.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Nice, nice, Love to hear it.
Okay, cool, Are you so you've,you've?
You've raced a Broken Arrowbefore, so are you must be so
stoked to go back and rip it upthis year.
What are your thoughts on that?
What are your thoughts on that?
What are you more excited forSoon to appear broken arrow.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Oh, they're so different.
I'm so excited for the both.
I feel like Senate is excitingbecause I think I have like a
lot I can work on to to try tonail that day.
But broken arrow Um, it feelslike a home race because I spent
like two years in Reno and it's, you know, 45 minutes away from
Reno, um, so I ran the 11k likein between my like two Nevada
seasons uh, in 2023 I guess andthat was so fun like it was the
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super snowy year, so it was likeI had never glissaded before
and I never did anything likethat before and you know, just
ripping down the mountain, um,and it was just like a really
fun introduction.
So, uh, very positive taste inmy mouth about Broken Arrow.
And then last year, um, I wascoming off like a pretty big
injury in the spring that likeunfortunately cut that like
track season short and I wasbeing pretty stubborn like I was
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like I'm gonna race trails thissummer I don't even care like
and and luckily my body held upfor it and MK like helped me do
that in a in a smart way.
So I ended up running the VKrather than the 23k that year
and, you know, just like alittle easier on the body and I
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was like way undercooked, but itwas a good, a good learning
experience, you know.
And now I'm really excited toget to return to it, like with
some fitness and also knowledgeof the course and like, yeah,
it's going to be such a loadedyear, so super excited to be
able to do the double and tolike, yeah, I feel like I can
like be as competitive as I wantto be.
Um, rather than just like beinggrateful to, I mean, I was very
grateful to be able to race atall last year, but this year
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we're going to hit it.
I'm really excited.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Oh, I love to hear it .
That's super exciting.
What do you think?
Like?
I mean, I don't know, I feellike for a track and field
athlete, like, obviously, likeyou see, like ladies like Anna
Gibson come off the track andjust absolutely nail.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
The VK Is your strength more in the climbing,
if you will, or like what isyour strength flying?
It was kind of funny last yearbecause so, yeah, I was coming
off that injury and a lot ofwhat I was doing before I could
run a lot was just like hardsteep hikes, and it's wild, like
you know how hard you can makea steep hike, and so I felt like
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last year my strength washonestly like the steepest parts
of each of those races, Um, solike the beginning of the VK at
Broken Arrow and like the upperwalking bus segment at Loon, Um,
and I think that like I'mexcited to carry that, that like
that background from last yearforward into this year, that
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background from last yearforward into this year, Um, but
yeah, I think I also have like apretty good aerobic engine, um,
that translates pretty well touphills.
So I would say that that's mystrength, Um, and then you know
when, when there's places toturn over, I've got the turnover
.
So, yeah, working on thedownhills, working on the
downhills working on thedownhills.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I feel like that's every everyone's weakness.
I hate technical downhills.
Working on the downhills,working on the downhills, I feel
like that's every everyone'sweakness.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I hate technical downhills.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I think everybody does.
I think you have to like, learnto love it.
Like the only person I knowthat I think I've ever talked to
on the podcast, that's like, Ilove technical downhills is like
dan kurtz.
I'm like what a random thing.
You're a track and fieldathlete.
I think you would be amazing onthe uphill, like what the hell.
So, yeah, some people are, it'sdifferent.
Um, yeah, so let's talk.
Let's talk about your schedule.
So, obviously, you got you mez,you got franklin.
Obviously soon api, brokenarrow.
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Is there anything on therethat's not showing up on ultra?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
sign up that, uh, you're going to be going to um,
I think my plan is kind of tolike hit the beginning half of
the season here, you know, withum hey mez, son of p, broken
arrow um and of like, assesswhere we're at um and build, you
know, the rest of the summerbased off that.
Uh, I either, potentially, willlike go to Europe, um, uh, or
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um hit some like 50k's and stuffin the fall.
Um, in terms of like, in thisbeginning block that's not on
there.
I'll probably run GoPro games,um, tbd, what, but it should
just be like a fun little likeuh leap into like the trail team
.
We have a camp that that weekand we had a really big turnout
for it last year, so excited forthat um, but yeah, mostly just
gonna like focus on the firstsegment and then like talk to
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mga, figure out what seemsexciting and what I think um,
you know where I'm at we'll likeplay best into and then figure
out the rest of the year fromthere.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Super cool.
I'm curious, like as someonenew to the sport well,
relatively you're not reallylike super new, cause you've
raced before I'm just curious,like from your point of view
like what are you excited torace?
Like what?
Uh, like, is the golden trailseries eventually?
Like what?
What pulls your interest?
Is it like longer stuff?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Um, I feel like I'm excited to race everything.
That's.
That's not a good answer.
But, um, I think like I'mparticularly excited about like
domestic stuff.
Um, there's just like so muchout here in in the west in
particular, um and uh, you know,it's like the rut everyone says
is like such a fun event andlike I've had so much fun at
Mammoth the last couple years,um, and there's so many um
little things like that.
And then you know, like thelocal stuff in New Mexico like
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I'm excited to to dive into that.
I think, like long term, Ireally had fun with the 50k at
way too cool, um, I felt like Ifound like a flow and I felt
really strong and I think thatlike who I am as an athlete,
like in terms of rhythm and likethe type of training I like to
do, like finds really well with,with, with that distance, um,
in the like medium term future,um.
(20:27):
So, yeah, a little bit ofeverything.
Likely more 50k next year, um,but but yeah, we'll just see.
I just want to keep followingwhat's exciting and yeah super
cool.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, I think the best part about it is like yeah,
you got to follow what excitesyou.
Like different people gettingstoked over different things.
Like just because it's one raceas part of a series doesn't
mean you need to do the entireseries like it's.
I feel like that's like a trap.
I've seen a lot of athletesfall into where it's like, oh, I
gotta go chase the series forthe points, for the money or for
this and that.
But that's like just do becauseit gets you excited, right.
Like yeah, I'm curious with you.
(21:01):
Uh, let's talk.
Um, uh, way too cool.
Like what, what was yourexperience?
Like that's a fast, likeprobably the fastest 50 K, if
not one of the fastest 50 Ks inAmerica.
Well, how did the race unfoldfor you?
Like, what was your experiencelike there?
And tell me all about it?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, um, so I want to throw that race because, uh,
like the year before, two before, um, from Reno, we had like
driven over to like spect, we'llwatch some friends who are
racing, and then, um, it was asuper cool event, you could just
tell, but it was.
But it was that crazy winter.
You know, the whole country hada crazy winter, it seemed like.
But in Reno we were justgetting like an atmospheric
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river every weekend.
Um, and uh, yeah, long storyshort, um, it was there was a
big storm coming and we ended uplike losing the battle with the
blizzard like back over thepass.
It was like a whole like crazyweekend road trip with friends.
Um, uh, you know, hour and ahalf drive becomes an eight,
eight hour drive back and youknow, it just felt like a very,
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very big event for that spring.
But then, like, still, like therace was was like such a fun
scene and you could tell thatthose trails were beautiful and
fun and um, like very fast, uh,so, yeah, I knew 150k, I wanted
to kind of go back to reno.
So, yeah, it seemed like theobvious choice.
And then, um, yeah, I had likea pretty like quick block off my
off my half training, but I'mlike a pretty high volume person
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anyway.
So it transitioned well, justdid like some like specific long
runs, and then didn't reallyknow what to expect, like
especially in the last five, sixmiles.
You know, just like unchartedterritory.
So kind of went into it withthe mindset of just like, run
fast while I can and then we'llproblem solve when the problems
arise, if the problems arise.
So I took it out uh hard and Iled the first 26 miles.
(22:42):
Um was just like trying totrying to keep pressing like the
whole time, um, and then, yeah,at that point, uh, jen caught
me at the top of that climb andit was like the very beginning
of like a steep techie downhill.
Um, and like my hip flexors werelike so cooked I had never
experienced, like you know, astructural failure in a race
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before because I've never racedthat long before and um just
couldn't, couldn't go with hermove.
But like was, uh, you know,still like very mentally in it
and just like trying to keeppressing and trying to regroup
like on the smoother stuff.
That felt better.
Um, and she like ran a supersmart, super strong race and uh
(23:23):
and yeah, but the whole thingabout one of those perfect days
you get into a flow state andeverything goes right, and I
know that's super rare, so itwas, yeah, grateful for that,
and it definitely gave me the50K bug.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So Super cool.
If you don't mind me asking Ithink the audience might get a
lot out of this what's yournutrition situation like?
Are you subscribed to thiscrazy grams per hour kind of
deal, or like what are you?
What are you doing fornutrition?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
yeah, um, again, super nice to have like mk for
as a mentor in this, in thissituation.
But we kind of worked out.
I've been shooting for, likeyou know, about 75 grams per
hour, so like not on the likehigh, high end, um, but that
seems to like be enough for meand it doesn't put my stomach
over the edge.
So so I was just doing like 60grams of tailwind in a bottle
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and a goo like for the firstlike two and a half hours and
then, and then the stomach got alittle, a little worse and it
was just like get in what I can,um, but trying to trying to
stay on it and mostly doing likeliquid liquid carbs, um,
because you know it's a loteasier to drink than it is to
the slurp.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, for sure, yeah the G.
I feel like man, three gels anhour for three hour race or four
hour race, like damn, that's alot of like, that's a lot of
gels.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Let me drink my sugar water, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That's funny.
I'm curious about cause I dowant to go back to you like your
relationship with MK from acoaching perspective, cause it
seems like you're veryintelligent and you know a lot
about training.
What is that like thatrelationship Like?
Is it more like guidance fromher or is it a lot?
Is it very conversational withall we should you know like
cause I've seen a lot of likeathlete relationships with
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coaches where they just assignyou just assign X amount in a
block and the athlete just doesit.
There's not a lot ofconversation there other than
the communication that they didit or didn't do it.
It sounds like with you youreally know what you're doing in
the sense of these builds andstuff like that.
So maybe talk about that howit's, maybe a collaboration.
It seems like right.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, it's been cool because it's kind of evolved.
When we first started workingtogether, like, we started
working together the week Istarted my run walk back from
from an injury and so for thefirst like really like six
months of our coachingrelationship, um, what, what I
think I it was, it was, it wasgood, it was very, it was very
needed.
Um, she was like very,extremely specific, like okay,
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you're running three miles this,that, and then you're cross
training and then you're, youknow, um like kind of keeping
keeping me under wraps, likekeeping me patient, and I just
needed to be like told what todo at that point, like couldn't
overthink it, just had to likebe patient with the, with the
process, and like let my bodyget all the way back to where it
was going to get.
Um, but like at the beginningof every season and like kind of
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throughout our blocks, we likeat the beginning of every season
and like kind of throughout ourblocks, we like we'll, we'll
have conversations and we'llsort of, like you know, sketch
out like what, what we're goingto look at, like what we're
going to focus on, like what wethink weaknesses and strengths
and stuff are, and she'll justlike, pretty much write me a
workout and like a specific longrun and you know some, some
(26:26):
strides and all that throughoutthe week, and then I'll kind of
structure my week around that.
It's usually like I'll text youafter my workout and we'll like
talk about how it went um, andthen you know she'll adjust like
what the next week's gonna looklike.
And I think if she, she sensesshe knows me really well like as
a person and as an athlete, andso it's cool.
It's like she says I need likea confidence builder workout,
that's that's what we'll do.
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Or if she's like okay, cool,like steeps are going well, like
let's keep it coming, um, sovery flexible, and it's it's
really nice to like be workingwith someone that like I know
personally and like I can, youknow I can call her mid workout
and be like okay, is thissupposed to be like 10 out of 10
hard or not?
And yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
So a little bit of everything, yeah, I know I like
that and I thank you for beingcandid.
I was just curious Cause, likeyou know, it's really just so
important to have someone likeas a coach that just like really
knows you, you know, and Ithink that's super cool for the
relationship.
Let's talk trail team.
I'm just curious.
Okay, so like, obviously you've, you know, you've kind of been
around the sport for a year ortwo.
You've been around the sportfor a year or two, you've done
some trail races.
I'm curious, what inspired youto apply, because you're
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obviously a great candidate, aperfect candidate, for the elite
team.
What got?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
you to fill out the application.
I applied last year and I endedup as part of the club team.
I got to know Andy and Carlyand like um, they're like put on
these awesome camps and um likegot to like kind of meet, part
of meet the community at thesedifferent events that like we
were all going to um and so thatwas super cool and I was like,
(27:59):
um, you know what they're doingin terms of building community
and like providing just like apath in like this space where
sometimes it's like very, veryunclear like how you possibly
could get from point a to pointb.
Um, it's super neat and so Iwanted to apply apply again, um,
because, yeah, I'm still on thepath and um, like their help,
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like last year in terms of justlike guidance and uh, yeah,
housing and support andeverything um was like huge for
like me being able to like kindof keep pursuing this seriously,
um, and I want to keep pursuingit seriously.
So, yeah, super cool.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
No, thank you for being candid about that and
answering.
I was very curious because,like I said, it's great fit.
Um, I'm curious like so I knowthey'll be putting on a bunch of
camps this year.
I think there's a, the grandlake one.
Which ones will you be able togo to all of them, or how does
that work for you?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
um, yeah, um, that's the plan, definitely like
pending employment situation andall that, uh, but the goal is
to is to be, at all of them, um,really excited for the, the
mammoth camp that um willhopefully come together.
Uh, like that area is sobeautiful and again, it's kind
of like just outside the likereno backyard, so it's really
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fun to go, go back there supercool.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, all right, I gotta ask because obviously now
you're trail team elite,obviously it builds up to
something bigger than that Like,will you try to be pursuing a
professional contracts next yearafter this is all done?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, yeah, Um, I think yeah, if that opportunity
like feels right and andpresents itself, that would be
like super exciting, Absolutedream.
But, um, you know, at the sametime, like having autonomy and
my running is also reallyawesome.
Not that that, not that I wouldlike lose that in.
Yeah, Um, yeah, we'll just see.
(29:52):
We'll just see what happens.
I definitely want to like keeprunning hard and getting better
and like any support in that islike incredible and be very
blessed to have it.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Super cool, super cool.
What shoes are you running inthese days?
Like what's your go-to workoutshoe?
What's your trail shoe?
Like what are you?
What are you rocking?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I mix it up.
Um, I wear the Solomon ultraglides a lot, um, cause, cause I
can put like 800 miles on them,honestly, um, and and they feel
good I'm close to the ground.
Um, I race way too cool in roadshoes.
Uh, I uh tried the the normalTomi years and I really like
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them on like slick rock stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
They're awesome, um, but yeah, depends on the day,
depends on the terrain I like tohear it very cool yeah, I mean,
I feel like yeah there's somany different things, and
especially for like a race, likeway too cool.
Yeah, why would you not race itin road shoes?
Yeah yeah like anything now.
Like it's like I don't know atleast the way I view it.
Like anything now.
Like it's like I don't know atleast the way I view it.
Is like anything that's likeeven rolly or flat, like you
gotta wear road shoes.
(30:51):
It's gives a little boost, youknow you just feel a little
faster.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
All right, so we're almost about 30 minutes.
I know we got a hard stop foryou at 45.
So I'm curious to hear yourrelationship with competition.
On a scale of 1 to 10, where doyou fall on that spectrum and
how do you view it?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Interesting.
That's a good question.
I think I'm actually not a supercompetitive person, maybe a 6.
I'm very motivated by gettingthe most out of myself, um, but
I think I have to kind of likepush myself to, to like be
competitive, um, like externally, uh, and yeah, like way too
(31:38):
cool was really fun because itfelt like one of those days
where I got like 99% of likewhat I could out of myself, um,
and I, you know, like all youcan do is like control what you
can control, and so, like what'sworked for me throughout my
running career on the track, onthe roads, um, on the trails,
(31:59):
has just been like, you know,doing what I can and like being
patient with the process andlike getting a little bit better
and a little bit better and alittle bit better.
And where that spits me out andhas me stack up, yeah, that's a
little out of my control, but Ican control how much I work on
these techie downhills thisspring and how hard I run the
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Blue Dot segment and how I keepa handle on my recovery and all
that.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
So controlling your controllables.
I like that's a very healthyway to view it.
My opinion like I've met somepeople that are like on a scale
of one to ten, like psychos, I'mjust like man.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's not a healthy place to be no, but it's cool
like people can get a lot out ofit that way too.
For sure, for sure.
Everybody's different you know.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah, I gotta ask you .
This one's a little out of leftfield, but it's a Flagstaff
question.
Is pizza like.
Does it live up to the hype?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's so good.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
If you, when you're when you're coming through town,
you gotta, you gotta hit it.
They do this thing in May where, like, if you get up to the top
of Eldon before 8am, you get afree pizza, and so I'm really
looking forward to that.
It'll be my first.
I can't remember what it'scalled.
Uh drew to eldon, I think.
Yeah, um, but everyone talksabout it, yeah wow, that's
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pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, all right, big shout out to pizza club.
I gotta try it next time I'm intown.
Super definitely, all right.
So another cool question foryou.
I'm curious who inspires you?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
um, we've talked about a little bit already but
but, uh, in the running space,like mk, um 100, um, she is just
like, yeah, such a model ofbalance and grit and, yeah,
positivity and joy and like um,I'm inspired by like uh, yeah,
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uh, seeing how she has likebuilt her life and her career.
Um, yeah, similarly, I thinklike a lot of the folks that I
get to like hang out with day today here in flag, like um are
are just like inspiring in their, in their own individual paths
and stories and yeah super cool.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Are you a music person like you?
Uh, like what's your?
And all right, this is atwo-parter.
What are you a music personinto?
Like what's the hype up songbefore?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
like a hard effort oh , that's a good question.
Um, yes, I'm a music person.
I, yeah, I shamelessly musicfor workouts.
I know some people are like Ido on that, I'm on that.
Yeah, um, I like, I like a goodDominic Fike um hype up pre
pre-workout, okay Um yeah, Iliterally just made a post
(34:40):
that's supposed to post tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
It's got what is it?
Superstar, superstar, shit song.
I think is what it is.
It's a great song, it's a basicsong.
I'm surprised you're the firstperson that's ever like brought
him up.
All right, very cool, you justgot to the top of my list.
Very awesome, awesome, allright.
So last question is usually isusually a crazy one Uh, it's
usually especially cause you'rein Flagstaff, I feel like that's
more Arizona, I think of likeUFOs and aliens, plus New Mexico
(35:01):
and and, uh, roswell.
Do you believe in aliens andhave you ever been to?
Roswell.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I've been to Roswell.
I don't know if I believe inlike the Roswell aliens, but I
believe in aliens 100%.
There's no way they're not outthere yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Roswell is a crazy place.
I have been myself.
There's like a UFO museum.
It's pretty dope.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
It's very unique.
Yeah, super cool.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Super cool, super cool.
All right, emily, I don't wantto take all your afternoon.
Thank you so much for coming onthe podcast.
It's a great conversation.
Wish you the best of luck inyour 2025 season and we'll chat
in probably the next couple ofmonths.
I'm going to start doing somebuild up stuff for Broken Arrow
and Soonapiece, so we'll be intouch.
Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Sweet, thank you so much for your time.
It was so nice to chat with you.
Yeah, you too.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
What'd you guys think ?
Oh man, what a fun episode.
I want to wish Emily theabsolute best of luck in her
2025 season and plans that shehas for the rest of the season.
It's going to be a fun one.
Guys, before we get going, dome a favor hop on Instagram and
you can give Emily a follow.
You can find her at underscoreE-M-I-L-A-R-I-A, or you can type
in Emily Clark and that's Clarkwith an E.
(36:06):
Send her a DM, let her knowwhat you guys thought about the
episode.
I'm sure she'd love to hearsome not just words of
encouragement as she goes intoher 2025 season, but I'm sure
she'd love to hear from fans.
And yeah, it's pretty coolstuff.
So I appreciate it.
Guys.
Thanks for tuning in.
If you did enjoy this episodeand you don't mind, please give
us a five-star rating and reviewon Apple, spotify or wherever
(36:28):
you guys consume your podcasts.
We've got a locked and loadedweek for you, including the
Canyons 50K preview that's goingto be coming out this week.
That has co-host Teddy Tonellifrom the Chasing Trail podcast.
That's going to be a fun one.
And then we have a whole lineup, including the rest of the
selections for the 2025 uh trailteam elite.
(36:48):
Uh, that's going to be droppingthis week, so got a locked and
loaded week for you and uh hopeyou guys enjoy it.
Thanks so much for tuning in.
Thank you, we'll see you nexttime.
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