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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, boys and
girls?
Welcome back to the Steep StuffPodcast.
I'm your host, james Lauriello.
Guys, I'm pumped.
I got a good one for you.
I am so excited to bring you arace preview with frequent
co-host, mr Nick Tusa, for theGolden Trail Series race, kobe
Trail that is happening thisupcoming Saturday, april 19th in
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Japan.
Pretty stacked field, I got tobe honest.
It's not one of Golden Trailslike most stacked fields, but
some boys and girls are showingup so it's going to be
competitive nonetheless.
I think there's a lot of reallyfun storylines with this one.
I think you guys are going tolike it.
So I'm not going to hold up toomuch.
I want to thank my frequentco-host, mr Nick Toose, for
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coming um and giving some expertanalysis and opinion.
Um, but I think this is goingto be a good one.
So hope you guys enjoy this onewithout further ado.
Kobe trail race preview.
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How are you, homie?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I'm good man, stoked
to be kicking off the season,
kicking off Golden Trail, yeahhow crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
We're here already,
man.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I know.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
It's like end of
April already.
Crazy, you're racing thisweekend already Shit's popping
off.
How are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Oh, dude, you ready
to throw down?
Oh, I'm ready to throw it out.
Yeah, it's been a great couplemonths Consistency.
Name of the game.
Now we'll see what happens.
Yeah, that's been a good build.
Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I'm excited to see
you beat up on some Castle Rock
and Denver dudes this weekend.
It's going to be fun to follow.
Yeah Well, dude, what else isgoing on these days?
I'm stoked because AlexanderVolkanovski is now the
featherweight champion, so allis good.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, pretty happy
about that.
As far as NBA playoffs arestarting, nhl playoffs are
starting.
It's a good time of year forsports.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Honestly, I've been
watching a good amount of hockey
lately and it's yeah, yeah,it's good stuff, it's good stuff
, so all right.
We're here to talk about KobeKobe trail.
Yeah, so hopping in thisupcoming uh saturday, for it's
going to be april the 19th um,it's a short race, it's only
like 21k, so it's like 13, 13miles and some change.
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Um interesting course, likeit's a.
It's a four looped course,which seems kind of dope.
Um, we can obviously get intostorylines and talk about the
race.
Dude, I gotta be honest withyou, like I I'm surprised by not
a lot of people turning up atthis race, just because it's a
looks like a beautiful area,beautiful course.
Like if I could go pick agolden trail series race, that's
like not in europe to go dothis probably, probably would be
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the one, a hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
If not, if, if my
sponsors were giving me a budget
to to go, I'm going 100.
So it's, it's, it's weird.
Yeah, I don't know, and not alot of.
I don't know, and not a lot ofpeople I don't know have ran in
Japan before and it's weird.
I think we're seeing a lot of alot of repeat people.
I would think we'd be seeingnew people come, but yeah, yeah,
I'm surprised.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
There's not like
we'll talk about this as we get
further into the episode, but Iam, I'm very surprised, like I
don't know what, if I don't knowwhat's going on with golden
trail for this first race.
I don't know if it's justtiming of the season, but like
we might have I don't know likeone fifth of the names that we
had last year, like last year,like I mean, allie Mac was there
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, christina masquerade, likeAndy whack, or like there was a
lot of Americans showed.
This year, we might have, like,well, with the absence possibly
, of Lauren Gregory, we mighthave one or two Americans.
Crazy, yeah, very smallAmerican field which is kind of
a bummer.
But yeah, I don't know, we canhop into it now and maybe talk
about it a little bit.
I think it's worth talkingabout the course, absolutely
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yeah.
So what do you think about thatcourse?
Four loops looks gnarly dude,yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
I don't hate the four
loop format.
It's gonna allow for people tocarry pretty light um, maybe
just bring a handheld orsomething like that, or I don't
even know if they even need that.
I mean, aid stations willprobably be pretty centralized.
I would imagine um, some fansand stuff.
I'm sure the japanese communitywill be out there um in full
force cheering people on, whichwould be awesome, um.
But yeah, I have here loop oneum is about 2.3 miles with 950
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feet of gain, so the shortestand the lowest vert loop of the
four.
Uh, the second loop there wehave 3.8 miles with 1700 feet of
gain, so getting a littlesteeper there.
So you had six miles with 2700feet in the first half.
Um, pretty solid, like that's atrue mountain race, like that's
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, yeah, I mean.
And then you got loop three,3.85 miles with 2200 feet of
gain.
That's like out the back doorhere with green mountain, like
that that's steep, that's that'sgnarly um.
And then loop four, 2.3 mileswith 2000 feet of gain.
So you end up with right arounda marathon with what does that
end up being?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's like 6,900 feet,
yeah, almost 7,000 feet of gain
.
Wow, it's like it made me laughbecause I'm like 21K, 2109
meters.
The math started.
A math informant.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I'm like, oh, that's
the Pike's Peak Ascent.
Yeah, yeah, it's like almost,almost.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well, like yeah, yeah
, almost seriously.
Well, I think it's like anotherthousand feet for the pikes
ascent, but like sure, it'spretty descending as well.
Yeah, pretty close, yeah, yeah,I mean, dude, the race starts
like I remember, uh, when I hadchristina on, she was telling me
the race starts on a descent aswell.
So like yeah, you start goingdown.
She was like she's like Ilooked at my watch and I'm
running like low five, like highfour something per mile.
She's like I should not berunning.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
This is insane I have
a feeling a lot of people are
going to be taking those firsttwo loops out a little hard and,
uh, it's going to slap themacross the face that final loop.
So I think I think if you haveyour climbing legs ready this
early in the season, you'regoing to be coming out on top.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So I'd focus on the
climbers here for sure it's
going to be interesting, rightlike we've got this dichotomy
because you're gonna see, I mean, this is a, this is a course,
particularly for me, that Ithink like.
So, for instance, like joey umheld iran or hadron, I can't
pronounce it the swiss athletefrom solomon, like he had a lot
of success very early on.
He's also a very talentedorienteer.
The race is insanely technical,very like like philomon got
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knocked out of the race lastyear I think he was in tandem
first, second, third with Joeyand Patrick last year and Phil
Oman twisted his ankle anddropped.
It's an extremely technicalrace.
So to me, I think it's going tobe if you can run efficiently
downhill like very strong andyou, I don't know, can follow
course markings very well andyou just can kind of get dialed
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in on that.
I think that's where the raceis going to be won on the
descents things very well andyou just can kind of get dialed
in on that.
I think that's where the raceis going to be won on the
descents because, like, if youdon't know what you're doing on
the technical descents, you'rejust going to be, you know, kind
of molly, whopping your waygoing down and it's not going to
end up very good.
So, yeah, I don't know, I thinkit's, it's going to be.
You got to be really strong onthe technical department in
order to, uh, to make thishappen.
I don't, we've got some names,though.
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I mean, like.
So, one of the things I saw,joyce Nauru returns.
Joyce Nauru, golden TrailSeries female winner last year,
just signed with Normal.
My question to you is like solast year we got El Hussein
coming out just after signingwith Normal, had a great result
at Kobe I think he took fourththere and then went on to win
the Golden Trail World Seriesand just completely dominate.
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I kind of see a similarstoryline for someone like Joyce
.
Now that she has the resources,what?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
do you think?
Oh, 100%.
Yeah, I mean, I have Joyce formy.
I think she was what fourthyear last year.
Yeah, yeah, just returning tothat course again.
I'm sure she's had some timeout there, I don't know.
Do you know if she's out therealready?
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I'm out there, I
don't know.
Do you know if she's out therealready?
Okay, so interesting.
She does not have a Strava.
Okay, I did did a ton ofdigging into some of these
athletes.
Like Madalina Floria does nothave a straw.
Like does have a Strava butdoesn't post.
Um, malinosa doesn't post onStrava.
Like I literally found like oneathlete in my women's top five
that has a fucking Strava, whichdrives me crazy.
Yeah, it's funny.
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Like I mean I'm kind of crypticon Strava but I know like a lot
of my friends are not.
Like a lot of people put theirshit out there.
Yeah, it's kind of annoying,it's tough to get.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It's just tough for
us to talk about it If we don't
know, like, how someone'sfitness is, like we can really
just go off past, uh, pastexperience yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, um, so in in
addition to joyce.
I'm excited for this joyce.
Uh, sarah alonzo rematch.
Um, sarah had a great late racelast year.
Um, wouldn't be surprised tosee someone like sarah come in,
because you gotta remember, likethis is, this is an interesting
like intersection of a race.
Right, like you're getting alot of people coming in with a
ton of fitness, right, I'm sure,like based on like what I've
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been looking at, because likephilip mont has a very public
strava and dude's running like130 miles a week, oh wow, so
he's coming in with a a shit tonof fitness.
I'm sure patrick as well.
But you also have this weirddichotomy too, where you'll see,
the orienteers are kind of verymuch in their orienteering
season right now.
Um, what does that look like?
They're better technicalrunners.
They might not have the samefitness level, but they can
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handle courses like this, maybebetter than people that are just
like running on flat serviceroads or dirt roads or easy kind
of tame trails, so that maybeyou haven't like put that
specific stuff into their blocksyet.
So you're very much going toget this intersection of.
I think that's why Joyce maybecame in fourth last year,
because you get a Sarah Alonzoand a Malinosa that you know.
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These are Spanish athletes thatrun on very technical trails.
You know, joyce might be fitterin theory but might not be able
to match some of those descentsor um, you know, in some of
those areas.
So it's going to be interestingto kind of see this
intersection and what that lookslike.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
That will be
interesting, cause like yeah, I
mean fitness translatesincredibly well to the uphill,
but, like the downhill,obviously that's a skill.
Um, so you could be the bestclimber in the field, but if
you're tiptoeing down, maybe youcan get by.
I don't know.
It's.
This isn't a super deep field,but it's deep enough to where it
could bite you at the towardsthe end.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Um, yeah, yeah.
So it's going to be interesting, I think.
So we get Patrick back, we getPhil on back.
Patrick took second in theoverall golden trail world
series last year.
Phil Amon took fourth overall.
Dropped from this race, patrickwon the race last year.
Uh, joey Hadron, who tookeighth last year overall in the
golden trail world series andtook second at this race.
I think this race, in myopinion, kind of made a name for
him.
Um, cause Solomon, I mean thisrace, I think this race, in my
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opinion, kind of made a name forhim.
Um, because solomon, I mean hedid take top 10 overall in the
ranking but, like at the end ofthe day, he um, yeah, solomon,
signed him to the internationalteam this year.
You know, he reminds me of kindof like a sam hendry for some
reason, I don't know what it isabout him that he just kind of
reminds me of sam hendry 100.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, I wish they
would have kept sam on the team
as well, but it's unfortunate.
But yeah, but yeah it's I meantaking second at any golden
trail event.
Like you're going to make aname for yourself and you
deserve to be sponsored.
So yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
All right, let's.
Let's get into maybe somequestions, just some general
questions.
I think my question to you islike do you think this
particular course, because it isso, is going to favor?
We kind of tackled it a littlebit.
I'm just kind of curious to getyour take on it.
Do you think the course favorsany, like certain type of
athlete?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
um, yes, like I
wanted to put lauren gregory up
there because I feel like itfits like an east coast kind of
kind of runner.
Um, as well as like sarahalonso and uh malinosa running
in, I'm sure what are theytraining out of spain or
something right?
Now um super technical, um,maybe a different type of
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technicality.
I feel like this race is alittle bit more like roots yeah,
so that's why I'm getting thatkind of east coast.
That's why it sucks thatlauren's not there, because I
really I mean I had laurenpotentially over joyce like for
this one, if she for sure I meanshe showed it in the end of the
season last year.
But yeah, I think it definitelyfavors that technical mountain
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athlete, which not a lot ofthese Golden Trail events favor,
necessarily like maybe like aMount Block Marathon or
something like that.
But this one 100, I mean wejust talked about the course
profile.
I mean it's steep, there's notgoing to be a lot of flat
running.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Um, it's up and down
yeah, who I would have really
liked in this course, uh, and itreally favored like his
abilities is dan kurtz um, yeahdan's listening to this.
God damn it.
I wish I could just send you apin and go beat up on some of
these dudes because it would bereally fun to see him with like
with patrick and philomon andlike racing in front, because
dan's like a nasty descenderdude.
He's like really really strongum, I mean he's strong kind of
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everywhere.
It's why he's one of the bestin the world but like, at the
same time, like to see him atone of these courses would be,
especially something like this,which is very east coast vibes.
It would have been sick with allthe rocks and roots and shit
like all the stuff I hate um acouple other things.
So like we got joey hedron, whoI brought up before daniel
pattis, um kind of a cryptic guydoesn't post much on strava, if
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anything at all.
He's more active like on likeinstagram and shit like that.
Took fifth over like kind of aquiet crusher.
Fifth and golden trail lastyear.
He's a brooks athlete and he'sback in this race.
I think he finished.
I'm pretty, almost like ahundred percent sure.
He ran into the top five lastyear at this race, so he's
another one that's coming backin search of.
I mean, dude, I gotta be honestwith you, like, if it was me at
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a very top, top level, like oneof these guys, why would you
not go to this race?
Because no one's going to it,like exactly.
It's such an easy opportunity toget points Like I feel like
this is the least stack goldentrail series race I've ever seen
100%, and what do you thinkthis is going to do for the rest
of the season?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I mean Sears and all
Zagama these races are going to
be 40, 50, like elite deep, Likeit's going to be so hard to get
any kind of points.
Come here free, couple pointsit just you know it's, it's
tough and you know what's gonna.
These guys have an advantagenow.
They're gonna be able to, uh,to sit back kind of the rest of
the season and maybe like be alittle bit more strategic on
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what they want to pick, andthey're gonna be fresh as can be
come come the finals.
So, um, all the power to thesepeople are flying out to asia.
I'm sure it's tough with thetime zone and everything like
that, but, uh, but it's gonna,it's gonna fare well for them.
I have a feeling.
I have a feeling we're gonnasee a lot of those men that, uh,
we probably both have here inour top five.
Uh, they're late in the season.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Well, that's the
thing, like exactly that's the
thing is.
Like you're like it's just, whywould you have to go through,
like I mean obviously zagamaseries and all like amazing
races, but like it's killer'srow, like where you would
probably go top five in thisrace.
You're top 25 in in somethinglike zagama or series at all.
So, yeah, I, I definitely I amvery surprised, and dude it
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speaks to golden trail, likemaybe because it's a world
selection year, people'spriorities have changed.
Uh, maybe the other thing Icould think is like a lot of the
euros, um, also double eskimoathletes, like world schema was
still going on.
Like, yeah, like I I wouldn'texpect to see something like a
remi here, um, or like a davidemagnini, or even like a deer,
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but like it's very weird to meto not see just so many people
absent.
So, uh, even I guess it waseven too early for uh, what's
his face?
Um, oh, has seen till theseason?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I guess he didn't,
yeah so interesting.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
What do you think, uh
, baseline fitness, what do you
think?
Well, obviously, we couldprobably guess.
I don't know what patrick's 10ktime is, or even what his 5k
time is, but what do you thinkhe's hitting like?
What do you think his fitnessis at?
I mean, mean dude Phil, my mindStrava is is redonkulous.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I need to look at it.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I actually have not
looked at it 120, 130 miles a
week and like pretty easy stuff.
And then like he'll throw inlike one threshold day where
he'll run like a half marathonand like one oh five or one oh
six, like just completely likedo like most of the splits at
like 8,500 feet or like belowfive minute mile.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It's, it's ridiculous
, um, just like dirt roads Most
of the time.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
A lot of it's dirt
roads and you know it's
interesting I don't know andlike this speaks to uh, you know
, training theory, to verylittle vert.
Like the most vert he'll do islike maybe 2000 feet, but it's
like spread out in like a 13, 14mile run.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Right, it comes with
the mileage.
I mean, when you're putting in130 miles like you're probably
gonna still hit 10 000 feet ofgain, I would imagine 12 um,
yeah yeah, so maybe for them itjust it comes with the mileage.
Yeah, interesting though it isinteresting.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
it is interesting, um
, so yeah, what do you think?
Like base fitness, like I mean,obviously patrick's a sub 30
minute guy 28, 30, maybesomething like that.
I mean elite stuff, yeah,sub-14, 15.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
If Patrick trained
for it he could probably go to
the Olympics in probably the 10K, I would imagine, or get very,
very close Olympic standard.
You know what's?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
crazy.
The other day I was on an easyrun with my dog and me and Lunar
trotting around.
I'm running like, maybe like aneight or nine minute pace, like
on the greenway trail, likejust an easy, just relaxing,
chill day.
I'm looking up at pike's peakand who comes running past me,
but a group of like kenyanolympians and then joe gray,
like five minutes, like mad,soon say five minutes maybe like
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45 seconds later on their tail.
These guys are running like midto low five minute pace, like
just hammering on the greenwaytrail and then joe gray's like
hammering behind them, trying tolike keep with.
It was really cool to see I waslike awesome.
I was like damn dude like that.
That got me, gave me the firefor the rest of the week to go
out and like go hammer myworkout the following day.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
It was do you see?
Do you see them out there,often like um, like kenyan and
like other elite I got lucky.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I saw I think it was
hillary boore um at the track on
saturday after the incline.
I was like wow, we are.
Dudes are showing up.
Yeah, it's like very random.
Like I saw the kenyans on on, Iwas like I must have saw the
kenyans on.
It might have been friday isprobably what it was.
And then saturday after theincline on the track I saw some
guys.
So I was like wow cool, verycool.
What do you think about?
(19:27):
All right.
So I got a question.
If let's say Joey, somebodylike Joey comes out or Daniel
Pettis comes out and has astellar race, like let's say
Daniel Pettis goes and beatsPhil Amon or Patrick let's say
he beats Patrick, beatable doesthat push him to a little more
superstardom?
Does that elevate him?
Or like maybe joey, like youthink, joey, if he goes and
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beats, uh, someone like like apatrick, will that elevate him
to superstardom a little bitmore?
Like will he become solomon'snext guy?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I, I think, man, if
you beat patrick, yeah, you
gotta at least talk about, atleast have the conversation.
Um, it might not happen in aninstant, but I mean this guy,
he's, I mean he was eighth lastyear in.
Man, if you beat Patrick, yeah,you got to at least talk about
it, at least have theconversation.
Um, it might not happen in aninstant, but I mean this guy
he's, I mean, he was eighth lastyear in this series, like, he's
definitely one of their topathletes, as it is, but, um, but
no, I think beating Patrick orPhilemon, it's yeah, no, all
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eyes on them going to the nextrace, cause that's all we're
going to be talking about.
Yeah, no, yeah, I agree, yeah,like I said.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I'm really onto this
like joey hadron guys.
So listen to this.
2024 swiss cross-country titleholder, signed to solomon, this
year also.
He's a swiss orienteer.
Like I said, he's 28 years old,he's from burn.
Like I told you, he reminds meof like a sam hendry, also 2024
world orienteering gold medalistand last year he balanced
orienteering with trail running.
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I'm not sure if he's doing thesame, but like this, this kid
could.
I think Solomon's sending thisguy up to be he's like not that
Remy's old, but, like you know,this guy's a bit younger.
Um, you know, this guy's gotsome promise they don't have, I
know, especially with Bart andThibaut going to more of the
ultra scene like Bart's notdoing as many Golden Trail
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series races, I feel like that'swhy Solomon kind of invested
more to get some more guys.
I mean this dude's pretty legit.
Second at Kobe last year, fifthat the Great Wall Race, 17th at
Headlands, which was straightup barn burner ran eighth in the
prologue and then 16th in theoverall final to finish eighth
overall.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
That's pretty solid
for a first year kids talented,
so last year was he on thedevelopmental team because I
swear he had a solomon kit soit's like their national oh yeah
, the national, yes, yes I guessthere's like a solomon swiss or
solomon france and like it'llbe a part of that, but now he's
like the international dude.
So so I think I think joey isthe next um version of judith.
(21:46):
You know what I mean, the maleversion.
I mean I think I, if judith cando it, coming at, dominate in
in orienteering and coming to, Ithink joey can do the same yeah
, I don't know much about thatsport it's just interesting
because, like no, it produces aton of really good technical uh
athletes like uh fred trenchard,who runs a lot of more sky
running stuff oh, he's a monster.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, he was an, or
he's a, french orienteer um
judas obviously yeah, yeah, hedid go to merrill this year.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, he left scott
for merrill.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Good for him.
Cool, yeah, merrill probablythrew the bag at him.
Good for that.
Um, um, okay, do you think thewinner of this overall race,
let's say Patrick goes and wins?
Do you think this year is goingto be Patrick's year?
He's gotten.
I think he's going to be histhird year or fourth year.
You think Al-Hussein falls offa little bit now that he's
already won it.
(22:37):
You think he still is hungry?
I'd love to see Patrick go andget it.
There's been some holes inPatrick's game over the years.
Patrick's so nasty though, dude.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
So patrick's so nasty
, though dude so nasty.
I think if he wins this manit's gonna be tough.
Uh, he's just not having to goagainst al-hazin for a race like
I just I think that's like ahuge advantage for him here, um,
because, like we just talkedabout, he can now pick and
choose going forward.
It's.
This result is going to tell mea lot, I think, after, after
this, if he, if he wins this,like in a pretty like convincing
(23:15):
fashion, I have a feeling thatthis is a this is his year.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
I think the winners
of this race go on to win the
whole thing.
I think if Patrick I'm going topick Patrick to win the whole
overall thing this year I'mgoing to pick Joyce to win the
whole overall thing this year.
I'm going to pick Joyce to winthe whole overall thing too.
I think Joyce probably, andwe'll see when we get to picks.
But like I think Joyce has agreat opportunity to win the
whole damn thing.
We'll see what happens at thisrace for her.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
But Can you take over
?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yep, let's talk
women's names.
So we've got Joyce Nauru, sarahAlonzoin, osa osa, madalena,
floria, um.
And then we're gonna say, I'mgonna say, lauren gregory's a
scratch.
It's not official, but as ofthis morning, we're recording.
This is it tuesday?
This is tuesday.
This will come out, uh, friday.
(23:59):
She's still in phoenix,according to strava, as of this
morning.
So, but then again, when Ichecked philip onstrava this
morning, he ran today and he wasstill in kenya.
So shorter flight, but stillyeah, yeah, I don't know but
like I feel like to go acrossthe world, you might want to be
there already um, yeah, and thenon top of that, uh, lauren was
(24:21):
pretty public about dropping outof I think it was the new york
city marathon because of someachilles issues and she said her
spring was up in the air.
I would guess she's probablynot going to be there.
If I was putting smart money onit, um, I'd say probably not.
And then for the men's names,uh, daniel pattis.
Uh, we talked about roy rui.
Uh, roy, damn it rui.
(24:42):
Uh, you wait he's in this.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
He's in this, yeah,
okay, okay, good, because he
should be.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I had to decide, dude
.
I deciphered some seriousJapanese names Bogdan Damien,
patrick, obviously, patrickPhilemon, joey Hadron, and then
the only American that I couldfind is Nicholas Turco, who we
had talked about a little bitearlier when we were chatting
about this he's a Boulder guy,yeah, did you see anything on
him?
What's the deal there?
Who we had talked about alittle bit earlier when we were
chatting about this.
(25:08):
He's a Boulder guy, yeah.
Yeah, did you see anything onhim?
What's the deal there?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, yeah, I saw.
I mean he's been racing GoldenTrail now since 2022, maybe even
2021.
Yeah, I just really fly underthe radar, kind of taking my
20th, 30th place at most, whichis great in Golden Trail.
Kind of taken like 20, 30thplace at most, which is great in
(25:32):
golden trail.
Um, I've here 31st at uh,mammoth 26k, and 2023 and 2024,
uh, 23rd at pikes, ran a 224,which is super stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
We know, you know,
pikes, that's yeah, so it's just
it's.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
It's interesting.
Yeah, it seems like he may be aproduct of uh of western um
born.
I think he was born in uh indurango um, so probably just a.
You know, mountains have been apart of his life, um his entire
life and I dm'd him, yeah Idm'd him today to get him on the
podcast.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Dude, it's just weird
.
Like I always feel like I'm inthe know and I know like all,
like I have an idea of whoeverybody is.
And this guy, like it's funnybecause, like I I saw like
kieran follows him, a lot ofpeople like I know follow him
and he was well and I was likewhat the shit?
Like how do I never, like,never heard of this kid?
Like how is that possible?
It's just crazy.
Like goes to show you, like Ithink he's a Western product to
(26:17):
Western.
How many athletes that goddamnschool produces is insane.
Dude, this is bananas, yeah,bananas.
What do you think aboutMadeline Euphoria?
We didn't get a chance to talkabout this in our free agency
episode.
Since then, she signed withScott, left Solomon to go to
Scott.
What's your take on that?
You think they just get paid.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Oh yeah, I think.
So I think she's kind of theface of the brand, kind of on
the female side probably now, Iwould imagine, and maybe that's
something that she wanted.
Maybe she didn't want to go toanother bigger brand and kind of
just get lost in the weedsthere.
That she wanted.
I feel like she's the type oflike her attitude I've listened
to her on some podcasts.
She wants to be a priority, shetakes the sport really really
serious, and so I I'm reallyexcited for her.
(27:02):
I think this year is the yearthat she really really blossoms.
Yeah yeah, she was six lastyear in Golden Trail't.
I think I have her in like mytop three this year um, yeah,
I'm excited she's legit.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
She's probably one of
the best marathoners in the
entire like for the women in theentire field.
Like she's legit, she ran 114and a half marathon just a few
months ago.
I know she did a speed blockout in kenya which some people
frown upon because there mightbe some anti-doping allegations
there.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I'm not going to
start that conversation.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
But I don't know,
it's a little weird.
But anyway also has a smallorienteering background and
obviously has represented herhome country of romania on
numerous occasions.
So she's legit like one of thebest, came onto the scene in a
massive way and uh, yeah, it'sgonna be interesting to see her
(27:54):
out there.
You know kind of match.
I think there's some reallygood matchups here.
Like sarah alonso, ever sinceshe went to asics and left
solomon, like she's like kind ofspotty with the amount of
golden trail series races shedoes, like when she does race,
yeah she does great um, and shekind of mixes it up which I kind
of like.
Yeah, I kind of like better,like I don't know.
I feel like when you're signedwith a company like solomon,
(28:15):
like it's in your contract, likeyou're you're going to the
golden trail series like youhave to race these races,
whereas like going to asics, Ifeel like, just like you're
probably getting paid a littlebit more and you're probably, in
my opinion, like it opensthings up, like you can do
golden trail series races butyou can also go sky racing like
you could do a little.
There's more incentives, let'sput it that way.
(28:35):
So it kind of opens you up alittle bit more, uh, to go do
things.
So I wouldn't be surprised tosee sarah alonzo go win the damn
thing.
Um, challenged for the leadlast year she finished second
place at this race.
Very good technical runner.
Mod won this race last year.
She finished second place atthis race.
Very good technical runner.
Mod won this race.
Last year she did.
Yeah, which is uh upsetting tonot see mod back.
Um, she's another one on the a6team this year, that's right
(28:57):
yeah, therese laboe.
Um, who's another swiss athlete, um, joyce naru obviously got
fourth and then maidlin tookfifth.
So it's interesting.
We got a lot of returningcharacters on the women's side.
It's going to be, I think, Idon't know.
I think you're going to seemalin key off of sarah probably
I would yes yeah, becausethey're tight.
I'd like to you know I I thinkthey probably work together.
(29:19):
Um, I think it's going to bethem working together to run
down joyce you know, I agree, Iagree, no, honestly.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Malin is another one.
Um, she's, she's young.
She was on like Solomon'sdevelopment team.
She's kind of similar to like aRemy Um.
She's been with the brand for awhile.
They've kind of been developingher.
Um, I think this is the yearthat she kind of blows up and
kind of becomes like.
I think she has potential to belike the face of Solomon Um, um
, so big things from her comingthis year.
(29:48):
I think if she can stamp herher name on a good result here
it's, it's gonna be big, yeahdude, I'm curious to see, even
like now that you, like youmentioned remy.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Obviously he's not in
this race.
This is an olympic selectionyear.
Is remy even going to be racing?
That much like I'd be curious,like he'll probably do a small
trail season, but I I'd becurious to see why.
I mean, for instance, theAmericans Cam Smith's going to
throw down.
I'm sure Griffin Biley will beracing.
Obviously those are theAmericans.
Those boys are any place,anywhere, anytime.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Remy's a little
different no-transcript makes
the finals or something likethat.
(30:39):
Um, I think he's still gonnarun, but it just might not be a
priority, like you said.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean,
if I were him I'd go honestly,
did same.
I would do it short season,like he's never.
I think he might've won Saganaonce.
I'd go maybe throw it out onSagama, see if I can go get that
, cause it's early season.
He probably won't be ready forthat.
Go see if you can go tunethings up at a series at all.
I'd love to see him go finallywin series, and all cause he's
never broken the Swiss cursecourse.
(31:11):
Um, yeah, I'm, I'm.
It's funny, I'm pretty hard onremy for some reason.
Maybe it's because he took ourcourse record at pike's peak.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
That's great no, so
the season, though this year it
ends with series at all correct,it does yeah and so that's kind
of mid-august, so it does end alittle bit earlier.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
So yeah, because the
world.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, I'm big props to to golden
trail for for working aroundworlds.
Um, I feel like a lot of peopleand races aren't really doing
that this year.
Um, I don't know, I had somegripe with races that were for
selection races and I heard youchat about it on the podcast too
(31:45):
, and just like timing ofeverything and, uh, I don't know
people racing these big racesright before it, it just it kind
of puts a sour taste in mymouth, but you know is what it
is.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Well, I think there's
a lot of things to discuss from
that right.
The first one is is like, Imean, I'm super critical,
obviously, of golden trail and alot of things, particularly,
most notably probably,anti-doping, but like I can give
them their flowers when itcomes to something like this,
where it's like damn dude, mostof the other big series, like
Skyrunning, has like 700 fuckingraces, they're not slowing down
(32:16):
, they're not changing.
And that's fine, and I thinkit's World Mountain Running as
well, wrma.
They're not changing theirschedule as well for uh, for
world.
So it's like, I think to melike this is this is probably
the best decision, consideringmost of these athletes are going
to go represent their country,um, respectively.
I don't know what do you think,uh?
Not to change the subject tooclose, but like, what do you
(32:37):
think of?
Uh?
Obviously we just had gorgeouspast weekend.
Yeah, I think the winners arethe top.
The people that won and gottheir tickets to worlds were the
right.
That was the right 100 percent,not right, worked out the way
it did 100.
I'm glad.
I was definitely skeptical.
The people that won and gottheir tickets to worlds were the
right.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
that was the right.
100% Not right.
It worked out the way it did100%.
I'm glad.
I was definitely skepticalgoing in, as were a lot of
people.
Unfortunately, there aren't alot of mountainous races this
time of year in North America.
It's very hard to come acrossone, especially one that's like
has big infrastructures, likefree trail has with with gorge,
um.
But yeah, I'm really excitedfor for the choices um that came
(33:11):
out of that and um, yeah, Ithink it's gonna be a great team
a star is born in shakwalano.
Dude like yeah crusher yeah,midwest crusher indiana like
great story.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, yeah, I had you
know.
It's funny I had her on like afew days before the race I
really I gotta release thatepisode because she's made the
trail team.
Yeah, yeah, but it's funny, likeI like she's going to be signed
to a brand before I even getthis thing out, because, like
dude, I got to say, like she hada great race at Black Canyon
too.
I think she's the story forWestern states this year on the
women's side.
Dude, she could very well gowin that, sneak up and win that
(33:41):
race and just completely shockpeople and she got in off of a
lottery ticket, which she did.
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
And then the other
two obviously adam peterman.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I figured was gonna
win anyway, but, like I gotta
say I am so stoked that tracenand claire both got tickets
because, like alaskan mountainrunners, you know, and it's like
both extremely good ontechnical terrain, both have
experience at mount marathon andbig mountain races, uh, namely
the rut and things like thatlike you're, you're sending four
people that can seriouslycompete, um, when it comes to
(34:13):
the pyrenees.
So, yeah, I think that thepeople that were should have
gone are the ones that are going, which is good, yeah, yeah, all
right back to golden trail.
Um, let's get into pics.
Dude, I think we're probablysomewhere near where we need to
go.
I'll let you take it over withwomen.
See who you got.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Let's start with the
women.
Yeah, so I have Joyce taking it.
I think she is the best runnerin the field.
She took fourth last year.
She knows the course.
I think that's a big thing,whereas, like Lauren Gregory,
(34:52):
even though that she'spotentially a a scratch, I'm
still going to include her inthis um.
I had her second because shethis is her type of course, but
she's never ran it before, so,um.
And then I have sarah alonzo inthird um, or potentially second
um.
She was second last year.
Um, this is her kind of course.
Um, she's going to be right onthe heels of Joyce.
I can imagine the whole time.
I think this is a race like lastyear, like you were saying,
(35:14):
philemon blew up or blew up hisankle or something like that.
I mean, it could be somecarnage that launches someone to
the top, like Zara.
I have Madalena Floria infourth.
She hasn't ran this before, butwe talked about her and how
(35:43):
great she is.
And then in fifth I haveMelanosa, who was also fifth
last year.
She very well could be right upthere.
Honestly, she's my sleeper fortaking the win if she has her
day.
Just what I see from her.
She takes the sport so seriousand, like I said, solomon is
investing so much in her.
I think she really has takenher game to the next level and
uh we'll see.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, I like
that.
No, I honestly, ours are pretty, pretty identical.
What?
What I found interesting waslike I looked most of these
ladies up on strava and otheroutside of sarah alonzo, like
nobody has a public or like putstuff on their Strava, which is
kind of funny.
I'm going to start with first.
I'm going to do this.
So I was so conflicted.
The story of the women's raceis going to be Joyce Nauru
(36:16):
getting chased by other, likeJoyce Nauru on the ups versus
Sarah Lonzo and Malin Osaworking together in the downs,
possibly tailed by MadalenaFloria.
So it's like how does thisshake out?
This is, is it Sarah's downhill?
And like ability to technicallydescend versus Joyce's
ascending.
And, like I said, dude, like ifyou're you're training in Kenya
(36:37):
, like you're just not gettingtechie stuff.
Like you're going to have aboatload of fitness, especially
this time of the year.
You're going to be super fit,but it's like, have you dialed
it in to where you're going tobe ready to not destroy your
ankles and and break something?
Or like, really just like,because there's just I don't
know if you've looked at some ofthe photos of this course, but
it's fucking nasty dude, like Idon't know, like not something I
(37:01):
would want to have to run afive or six minute mile downhill
like it looks really not fun.
Um, with that, I am going to gowith sarah lonzo's first.
I kind of waited, just likeroll the dice on this and like.
So she's pretty transparent inher, in her um strava peaked
last week, had a huge 120 mileweek split up between two.
I'd say like it was probablylike 50 miles of biking, um, and
(37:25):
then the 70 miles of running,but like solid quality, vertical
, pretty good looking stuff andseems to be kind of what looks
like a proper taper for thisweek.
Maybe I'd say maybe a shortertaper for something like this.
I might've given it like maybea two week taper, but I don't
know, everybody's a little bitdifferent and yeah, so I'm going
(37:46):
to take her as first.
Better on technical terrain, Ithink sarah lonzo pulls it off
second last year and was veryclose behind mod um.
Second is going to be joyce naru.
The only thing I wish I didbefore we did this episode.
I should have gone back todayto watch the videos um of this
race on kobe and saw like whatwas joyce's weakness.
The only thing I can assume isit was the descending and not
(38:08):
the ascent, but I don't know.
I'm going to go second, withJoyce, very closely followed.
I'm going to go third MadalenaFloria and I'm going to go
fourth, malin Osa and what wouldhave been the top five.
I'm going to lower it down to afour because Lauren Gregory is
probably a scratch, so we'llstick with just the top four
women.
I looked at a lot of Japanesenames.
(38:29):
So, for those of you who areinterested, kobe has a pretty
solid website as far as forEnglish audiences, but a lot of
these names are in Japanese, soyou have to get pretty heavily
involved in Google Translate.
I went through and lookedthrough because Remy La larue
(38:49):
kind of tipped me off and so,like last year, a lot of the
names that were uh, some of themthat should have been in
english, were in japanese, soyou kind of got to decipher and
play around.
So it's like all right, I'll getbusy on the translate and I
couldn't find like any reallysolid japanese athletes but I I
could be overlooking.
Um, I'm sure there are a ton ofthem.
And I just cause you gottaremember it's not like Japan is
ultra sign up or like run signup, Like it's hard to look for
(39:10):
these results, um, in somedegree.
So yeah, we we could be talkingout of our ass and some
Japanese runner goes and wins.
The damn thing.
I wouldn't be good yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Last year I think
there was a local that took, I
think, ninth.
I want to say overall.
So you never know.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, it's totally
possible, all right.
Um, let's talk.
To talk about the men.
I'll let you take it away forwhat you think as far as the men
go.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, so first I have
Patrick.
Um, I mean, he won last year.
He was second overall in theseries last year.
Um, second.
And also another thing I wantedto add to um, this race is
lower, uh, lower altitude.
Uh, Patrick is training, youknow, up at, up at him, and
Joyce training up at 8,000 plusfeet.
That is an advantage.
(39:53):
We just saw it a couple weeksago at Big Alta, being able to
run it at such a low altitudelike that.
You can just, oh, it's the gapsthat these guys are putting in.
It's insane, yeah.
With that being said, second,uh, Joey Hadorn.
Uh, second last year, eighthoverall in the series.
Um, expecting a big year fromhim.
(40:15):
Third, Philemon um, as long as,uh, he can uh keep those ankles
taped, maybe or something, Idon't know he should, he should
do great.
Um, he was fourth last year inthe series.
Um, Daniel Pettisis um, in myopinion, one of the best runners
on brooks, um, super underratednasty um, yeah, fifth last year
(40:36):
at kobe, um, and fifth over onthe series.
So big contender, um.
And then fifth.
I have one that we actually didnot mention.
Um, this is, um, what's hisname?
Uh, sylvan uh kachard.
If I'm saying that correctly,he's a hoka athlete.
He was seventh last year at uhsears and all.
(40:56):
Uh, he was fourth at sears andall in 2023 and he was 17th at
uh occ, which is still occ wasso, so, so deep last year.
Um, so this guy's yeah, he's,um, he might be the real deal.
He might be an up and comer.
I haven't heard much about him,but, uh, he has a pretty.
He's raced in a lot of big timeraces, so this is not his first
(41:19):
first time here, um.
And then one guy that I justwanted to throw out there as
well Um, I might be pronouncingthis name incorrectly, but his
name is theo uh burgois,potentially burgos he's a brooks
athlete as well.
Um, yeah, maybe that could be it.
Uh, brooks athlete as well, andI was uh just peeking through
his instagram and he kind ofmade it clear, uh, that he is
(41:40):
fully focused on golden trailseries this year.
He's kind of an up-and-comer.
He took 12th at mont blancmarathon last year.
Mont blanc's always super stout, so very well could see him
sneak into that.
Maybe fifth spot, um, and thenas well as we'll have to mention
a local here, that nicholasturco, who he chatted with uh
training out of boulder um verywell could, could surprise us.
(42:01):
Uh, he's thrown down some, somegreat results.
So that is my men picks.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Hopefully he's been
running up and down green.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, four wraps up
green up and down.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
You're ready to go
for this race?
No, I do.
I couldn't agree more.
I think we've got a verysimilar top five.
I'm going to start with myfifth place pick.
I'm going to stick for fifth,rui Ueda.
His Strava is pretty, prettytransparent.
He doesn't do high volume, 60to 80 miles a week.
He actually raced last.
What saturday?
This past saturday ran a 50,let's do ran a 50k.
(42:36):
Listen to this shit.
Six hour race, 50k, 13 000 feetof vert.
So like he knows these trails,um, and like he can hang on him,
I mean rui's got like amazingbackground and like he's been on
him.
I mean Rui's got like amazingbackground and like he's been in
the game for a long time.
Years and years and years he'shad great finishes at pikes,
like the dude's legit.
(42:57):
So I'd count him in for the topfive.
You know home Japanese trails.
See what happens, man, you knowit'll be fun.
And fourth, I'm going to go fillhim on average, 119 miles a
week for the last four weeks,between 150 and 119.
I should say, like I said, hethrew in this like nasty 12 and
a half mile workout at 502 permile at 87 000 feet.
Now, I should note it was adescent, mostly a descending
(43:19):
route.
Um, there's a point to pointdescent, but like 8700 feet.
You're running like most ofthat, like it's gonna beat your
legs to shit.
He's running like 4 forties ormost of that.
Um, and then started slowingdown a little bit towards the
end.
So I if Phil mine's definitelyfit, we'll see- what happens?
I don't know you know it's funny, I'm very hard on Phil, I'm on,
(43:40):
and the only reason is withphilomon and he's always
catchable, like I like have.
We both have friends that havecaught philomon races.
Um, so like he doesn't, he doeshave chinks in his armor for
some reason.
The dude just has alwaysfigured out series and all.
I don't know what it is.
Um, like doesn't show up forlike he just like kind of, like
(44:01):
it's like okay at every otherrace and then like completely
like shows in the world.
Yeah, yeah, that's in the worldtook Took Killian to the brink
dude.
Philemon's got the ability tobe the best in the world, but I
don't know, maybe he's betterthis year.
I don't know.
Like I said, I tend to be alittle harder on Philemon.
I probably shouldn't be, but Iwant to see more out of him.
(44:23):
Come on, philemon, let's getthis done.
Dude um, third place, I'm gonnago.
Joey hadron um, like I said, hedoesn't have a strava either,
but it seems like solomon'sriding on this dude to come back
and reproduce.
Um, he's got some stories oninstagram where he's on the
course right now running around,so he's quite taking this quite
seriously obviously it's reallyimportant for these races.
You want to adapt to your sleep,you want to adapt to your diet.
(44:45):
There's a lot of things you gotto do ahead of time to ensure
success on race day.
These races start a little bitlater too.
They're like afternoon basedraces, so there's a lot of like
little tweaks you're going tohave to make to make sure like
you're on point for this Um, andit sounds like he's doing all
those things.
Like I said, phil Oman, Ichecked a Strava today.
Dude, still in Kenya, maybeit's a different strategy, but
(45:09):
like joey's on the course doinghis thing.
So, um, yeah, I don't knowwe'll see what happens, but I I
see him competing for the podium.
Um, and second, I'm gonna go todaniel pattis.
Daniel passes a fucking beastdude, like that guy's legit.
Um, like I said, fifth overallat the golden trail world series
last year.
Um finished fifth thisparticular race last year, so it
shows that he can hang.
Um would have gotten sixthprobably, or seventh if it
wasn't for philip munn's drop,so hopefully he's learned and
(45:32):
can hang on to some of thistechnical stuff.
Um, it's gonna be interestingto see.
And then, in first place, uh, Igot patrick.
He's going sizzler bro.
I don't even think patrickmeans patrick doesn't even need
to show up, like he's just like,goes and does this thing and
like.
I don't think he actually hasto work very hard to win this
race.
He's not going to be pushed upfront, in my opinion.
All he has to do is work prettyhard on the ups and probably
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chill on the downs.
I just don't think he's going tohave to work particularly hard.
I know Joey took him to thebrink last year and they had a
tight race and Patrick was ableto get away in the fourth loop.
Dude.
I think, Patrick has just made alike monumental jump in the
last like like few monthsthroughout that year.
So I I wouldn't be surprised tosee him like I said, like I
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like that term going sizzler.
That that's where he's going.
He's go, he's, he's done,doesn't, doesn't even have to do
anything, it's over.
So how old is patrick now?
Is he 31?
Speaker 2 (46:25):
we don't really know,
according to joe, gray.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
we're not sure he
might actually lie about his age
.
We're not sure.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, whatever, I
guess no, but no, I think he's
made a jump.
Like I said, I think this ishis year.
He's got the world in hisfingertips.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I'm excited for him.
I think he's going to win thewhole thing this year.
I would like to see it, dude,I'd love to see him.
I don't know, I've heard abunch of inside baseball and I
don't want to like speak for him, but like I've heard a bunch of
inside baseball in the way likea lot of these kenyan athletes
get like they should be makingmore money let's put it that way
like he's on this team runtogether which is based out of
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kenya and they have like amanager that kind of manages all
their shit and their contractsand their money and like that's
cool and all.
But, like you know, patrickshould be making well into the
six figures per year.
I mean, he's one of the best inthe world, he's he is literally
the best in the world as far asuphill.
He's the VK world champion anduntil that changes this year, if
, if he doesn't wind up going toget a good prelude to that dude
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, I actually think he's comingto Broken Arrow.
The reason I say that isbecause WRMA comes back and he
runs a lot of those WRMA races.
So he'll be back for the BrokenArrow Ascent this year so we
might get Patrick and Joe andthe whole crew out there for the
Broken Arrow Ascent, which isgoing to be a good prelude.
It's a good world qualifier,yeah, um but yeah, I don't know,
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like, I think somebody likepatrick uh I can't speak too
much for philomon because Ithink philomon's really good,
but you know, like david norriswent and beat philomon at at
cirque brighton, like philomon,and he got also got beat up at
cirque, uh, a base, so I've seenit twice um, yeah, I don't know
.
So I I think that pat Patrickis genuinely like world class.
Oh, yeah, um, so yeah, I'd liketo see him.
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Uh, I'd like to see some, likemaybe Hoka or someone, go get
him and pay him what he's worth,cause he should be, uh, yeah,
up there.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
I mean on gets him
all the run together, that they
get him to every important racethat like he needs to be at.
That is the one thing that theythey definitely do for him.
I'm sure it's travel stipendsinsane but yeah, who knows what
he's getting paid?
I'm sure it's not enough, yeah.
But I just want to say thisabout him.
I'm going to go ahead and makethis prediction Patrick is going
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to win the golden trail seriesand he is going to win the
vertical championships as well.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, I think,
championships as well.
Yeah, I think, I think so.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
I like that's a good
prediction and if he does that,
safe bet and if he does that, heis trail runner of the year in
my eyes.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
But oh, we will see,
yep yeah, um, yeah, there's no,
no doubt in my mind.
I I think he's yeah worldchampion.
I think he might be early 30s,something like that I'd say 32.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
That'd be my guess.
33, I don't know.
Yeah, that'd be my guesssomething like that.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
But yeah, I mean,
dude, like I would take the over
under, I would take the under,I'd say 32.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
That'd be my guess 33
.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
That'd be my guess,
something like that.
I would take the over-under, Iwould take the under on that.
I think he's probably thebetting favorite to double and
go win the vertical as well asthe overall Golden Trail series.
I don't know, for some reason Ijust have a feeling that Yossi
Seen's not going to repeat thisyear.
I don't know what it is, but Ijust Because Remy only was able
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to do it once and then I thinkhe was two years in a row where
he won and then he kind of felloff this year, or his pass in
2024.
It's a hard thing to carry man.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
It's hard to repeat
oh yeah, no.
That's why I think Patrick,going into this just with a
little chip on his shoulder,being second last year, it's
yeah, yeah, no, very hard torepeat.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
And then on the
women's side, dude, it's even
more unpredictable for theladies.
Like Joyce came out of nowherethis year.
I mean, you know, who reallyshocked the hell out of me this
year was Lauren Gregory.
Like Lauren Gary's, like she'sa world beater, like that girl
probably will challenge, likeGrayson, for the title in the
next few years, as well as um uh, anna gibson, another one
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that's like killer, killer, dude.
Did you see her take secondplace the grudge 30k yeah, be
joe dude, yeah, but joan waslike leading that rate.
What happened he?
Speaker 2 (50:25):
blew, he blew, yeah,
so I heard he was like 25k and
um and he, I think he juststopped and he just exploded I I
don't know.
Cramps like a mother?
I don't know.
Yeah, cramped like a mother.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
He's going to.
Yeah, she, she crushed it.
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
I think us women wise
yeah, Lauren Gregory and Ana
Gibson are, are the two I mean,that's well, I guess we can't
leave out Sophia locally as well.
It's when people get injured.
We have a tendency to likesports.
They pushed out, yeah, it's,it's tough.
And that's like with LaurenGregory too.
Like, yeah, she, she had hertime at the end of the season
last year and really put on ashow and ended up seventh
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overall.
Um, but she's just beenbattling with injury.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
So it's like if she
can just get over that man.
So, for instance, graysondoesn't even have to really run
Sunipi or Broken Arrow.
She's already on the WorldVertical team because she's
reigning champion.
Did she win in the Classic orthe Vertical?
I should know this.
I think she won in the ClassicClassic.
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Yes, she got second.
Maybe she got a silver medal inthe Vertical.
Second or third, yeah, yeah, shewon the Mountain Classic,
that's exactly what it was.
So her third yeah, yeah, soshe's.
So yeah, she won the mountainclassic, that's exactly what it
was.
So she's already selected forthe classic team.
The question so that's soon apiece, so she doesn't
technically have to go back andrace.
I'm curious can tell she'sdealing with a lot of like
health issues.
Does she go back to do it oryou know, you're gonna have to
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get like rip off.
It's tough for her becauseyou're gonna have to rip off the
band-aid before worlds.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
You can't just show
up and not have a show.
She just does.
I don't know what it is.
It's when worlds is knocking.
She's there, so can't count herout.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
I wouldn't be
surprised to see her go be a
three time world champion.
But I do think the, the, thewomen, um, so like I mean I'm
just guessing for the up-down,or we should call it the
Mountain Classic, that's theright way to say it.
But like dude Soonipi's goingto be nasty, like between Lauren
Gregory and like, if she'shealthy, with the Achilles thing
and you get Anna Gibson like,and Rachel Tomaszak, like Allie
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Mack as well I don't know ifAllie Mack's going to run,
decide to race the mountainclassic, but like I max, another
killer dude world beer.
Like it's going to be so muchfun to see who we send, because
that that's my favorite distance.
Uh, is the mountain classic.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
It's going to be
really fun to see, like who
shows up for that you know and Iguess with that being
unpredictable with that beingsaid, I bet lauren gregor I bet
she's holding out this for supersoon to be I would, yeah, yeah,
I mean it's 60, 60, where Ihave literally counted down on
my calendar.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
It's like 60
something days away.
So it's common, yeah, it'scommon, gotta get healthy, gotta
get fit.
I know you got Dan Kurtz outhere.
He's playing in a playing inBoulder.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
You see him running
around the trail.
I haven't seen him yet.
He's up there yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
so, yeah, all right,
dude, I think we nailed it.
I think we got it all.
Yeah, I haven't seen him yet.
He's out there.
Yeah, he is.
So, yeah, all right, dude, Ithink we nailed it.
I think we got it all.
Yeah, anything you think wemissed, anything we didn't get?
Speaker 2 (53:20):
I think we hit just
about everything, yeah, and then
next week or the week yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Next week will be the
Great Wall.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
reached out to Golden.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Trail.
Just so the audience knows this.
I reached out to Golden Trail,got crickets, put the bath
signal up on Instagram.
Literally nobody responded.
I do want to give a big shoutout to Remy LaRue.
Guy's so helpful, super niceJoe.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Love Remy LaRue, big
fan of his.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
He just put his
schedule out today.
Sunopi Cannon in the room, bigfan of his um.
He just put his schedule outtoday, dude, he's.
We did soon a p cannon umbroken arrow.
Yeah, he's, he's gonna have.
I'm excited for what?
And he's gonna go.
Dude, there's a mexico worldseries, golden trail race I did
see that and sir killington,yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it looks
good, that's gonna beinteresting, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Are we gonna see?
So I guess I'll throw it there.
Are we gonna see some like Idon't know, breakout, like I
don't know, like south american,like mexico runner, like
there's some crushers out there,you know, we saw what was his
name last year at um.
What was it?
Black canyon.
Uh, yeah, you put it.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah you
never know, made a star out of
him dude he's running on thecraft team.
Now I'm a big fan as he applied, so I I I have an idea of like
who.
Obviously I get to see whoapplies for like the the lead
entries for pike's peak right.
So he applied.
Last year we gave him um anelite bib, so I want to see if
we can get him back this year.
(54:46):
It'd be fun to get him and likerun the marathon or something
yeah, yeah, but he could bedewey.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
I mean, he very well
could be on the world's team, I
don't know.
Mexico yeah, yeah, I don't knowprobably I would think they
have some gnarly mountains, soI'm really excited for that race
.
That one's gonna be fun.
I always like to see new raceson the golden trail series
schedule, so I think it was cool.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
I think it was a good
move too, because, like the sky
, I guess it was like to combatyou've got utmb there now and
utmb's got their um, the hell isthe name of it not montez,
there's a special name for that.
I can't, honestly cannotremember.
Uh, the utmb calls their theirrace and then, which everybody
seems to go to because it's lateutmb mexico one.
Yeah, yeah, porto barra, thankyou, thank you and then there's
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the mexico sky challenge, whichis the sky, you know, sky
running.
So I guess it was only a matterof time before golden trail
series decided to come in there.
You know what's bummer though?
I was perusing their websitetoday and it's like they have
for every country, like a northamerican, they have like a
national series, national.
They got and got rid of thenorth american national series.
I don't know what the deal isthere like what?
Speaker 2 (55:49):
I don't know what the
deal yeah, no, I think they're
focusing more on the asianmarket, potentially, and now
maybe with mexico, they'retrying to get like the I don't
know that side of the world.
They're trying to expand allthe power to them.
Um, but you can't leave out.
You know the us there's so manygood mountain?
Speaker 1 (56:05):
I don't know.
Yeah, dude, I also wonder, likeI know a lot of people and this
is very inside baseball and Ilike I don't want to go too hard
on like golden trail, but likeI know a lot of people have like
a very big issue with theiranti-doping program, like it
used to be called courts, Ithink, is what it was as and
then they changed it to likeclean sport or some bullshit
like that and it's like, yeah,it's like a lot of people have
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issues with that, including racedirectors, um, from across the
board that I've heard aren't sofond of their situation than
what they do.
So, yeah, I don't know, maybe Ithe only thing I can wonder is
like maybe the north americanrace directors were, like some
of them were, like the onlyproblem is is like, how can you
say no to that?
Like you're gonna make somemoney, right, oh yeah.
Like you're gonna track so much, yeah it's.
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And people keep coming to yourrace.
Like I was really surprised,like I thought tim Tollefson's
race was going to fall off aftergolden trail series left.
Oh, no, dude, that 26, 800people signed up for it.
Holy shit, like he's.
Yeah, good for him.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
So the fact that
mammoth didn't have a race
before.
It was like crazy, at least onethat I knew of.
I don't know about it.
He, he, like the perfectscenario for him and good for
him.
He took advantage of it.
(57:23):
Yeah, awesome, funny races arecrazy.
Oh yeah, um, one last thing, um, did you have any inside
baseball, and why golden?
Speaker 1 (57:26):
trail series left um
pikes.
Did you ever hear why, like dothey want to keep it or like I?
There's some stuff I can say,some stuff I can't some stuff I
can't say.
Let's just say it's probably thebest for the race to be in the
position that it's in now.
You know like, listen, whenGolden Trail Series comes to
your race there's a lot ofreally good things right Like
you get world-class talent,everybody comes.
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You know it's always a really,really big deal, but also
there's a lot of stipulationsand they kind of run the show.
Let's put it that way.
I don't want to say italienates the race director, but
it makes it much more hard fora lot of people to do their jobs
Totally get it and, yeah, I'llleave it at that.
(58:09):
I still want it to come back.
I still think it would be a netbenefit for a lot of races.
Dude, you know what there hasbeen.
I'm going to put this out intothe world now.
I probably shouldn't because Ihaven't even pitched this yet,
but this is something that'sreally interesting.
I had a friend of mine who hasbeen on the podcast, who I won't
name, has reached out to me theother day, who is tight with
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the Mount Marathon race director, matthias, and there was some
discussion and I even ran this.
I talked to Brian Whitfieldabout this.
I talked to a few people and Iwas like what do you think about
if we created, so I think,races, especially something like
pikes?
Right, it's very difficult forraces to survive on their own
now.
You almost have to be a part ofsome sort of series.
(58:58):
So I was like what if we justcreated our own like, like
legendary race series like mountmarathon, pikes, mount
washington road race, um, youknow maybe a handful of other
races that you can kind of throwin there that are like
legendary, um, and then have itas like a series that you would
go race and you can copy thepoint system that, like golden
trail does, and then at the endof the year we just we make like
a like we find either a race orwe create one that is like a
(59:20):
you know for um, you know forthe final, and we do something
like that and we could just doit as like the north american
thing um, that is something I'veheard thrown around that I was
like, oh, that needs to, like I,I'm gonna need to have that
happen, because unless, likegolden trail series comes back
like this is that's somethingI'd want to pursue is like, get
us, get us in that and havepike's peak like the marathon
and the ascent.
(59:41):
Be like the crown jewel andmount marathon like mount
marathons, like so crazy, such ahigh octane race.
So, um, and then, like you seeother races like, uh, you know,
like mount washington road racehas kind of like fallen back in
the last few years, um, yeah, soI don't want to give away too
much, but like that's somethingthat has been brought up and
something like I I'm going to bepushing for, I'm all in.
Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Yeah, I'd go race it.
Absolutely yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
So, yeah, yeah, Well,
dude, thank you so much.
I want to wish you the best ofluck of your race this weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Bring it home, thank
you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Nick's going to
sizzler.
Have a good week.
Have a good week, patrick.
All right, bye, thank you,we'll see you next time.