September 23, 2025 • 28 mins
What does it truly mean to represent your country on the world stage? For Michelino Senseri, it's the fulfillment of a childhood dream that once seemed impossible. Speaking from Spain where he's been meticulously studying the World Trail Championship course, Michelino offers an unfiltered look at what American trail runners can expect when they toe the line against the world's best.
The terrain in Spain presents a fascinating challenge - more technical than anything in the United States, with runnable climbs that zigzag up mountains and downhills so steep and rocky that Michelino warns "if it rains the night before, you're gonna wish to God you had lugs and good rubber." His early arrival and careful course reconnaissance reveal a race that will demand technical proficiency, strategic pacing, and mental fortitude from every competitor.
Despite what he calls a "bumpy season," Michelino approaches this championship with refreshing clarity and determination. "How many chances do you have to line up at a world championship? If you're not rolling the dice and going for it, then why are you there?" This all-in mentality extends to his assessment of Team USA's chances against powerhouse nations like Spain, Italy, and France. With teammates Eli Hemming, David Sinclair, Seth DeMoor, Noah Williams, and late addition Max King (replacing injured Ryan Becker), Michelino believes they have the firepower to challenge for gold if three Americans can crack the top 15.
Perhaps most compelling is Michelino's perspective on what success actually means. "The dream was not to win in the jersey. The dream has been to represent the jersey and the colors and the country." In a sport often focused on individual achievement, his pride in wearing the stars and stripes transcends personal results. Listen now for an insider's perspective on international competition and what it truly means to race not just for yourself, but for something larger.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's time.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
(01:00):
We are live.
Michelino Senseri.
Welcome back to the Steep StuffPodcast.
How's it going, buddy?
Good dude.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Stoked to be here.
Just woke up from a siesta overhere in Spain, man.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Is that a thing they do there?
They do siestas pretty often.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Dude, it's kind of wild.
A lot of the restaurants,anytime we've tried to go after
runs's closed or they're notserving food till you know 8 pm.
Everyone's just hanging outdrinking at five, six, seven
o'clock having a couple freedinner beers, and then the
restaurant's all open.
They're like all right, finallylike I can get some dinner, uh.
(01:40):
But yeah, definitely it's kindof cool dude, I would never go
back.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I would just stay if I were you.
Honestly, like it sounds likeit sounds a bit like europe.
Every time I've been to europeI'm just like, why do I go back?
It's just so nice over there.
Europe's amazing thought aboutit.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Food's better.
The only problem is nobodysmiles around here.
Man, like I don't know, I'm apretty friendly guy so I usually
like smile and say hi toeverybody on the trails.
Yeah, but I don't know, I'm apretty friendly guy so I usually
like smile and say hi toeverybody on the trails.
But I don't know, around townit's just like you say hi or
smile and everybody just kind ofmean mugs, you like as you walk
by and nobody says anything.
It's kind of I don't know, it'snot very friendly, I don't
(02:17):
think.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
That's a little weird yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
They don't really smile.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Euros don't really smile for photos either, Do they
?
I don't know.
I'm trying to think, or is thatjust like people from the 1800s
?
I don't know so well, man,we're here to do this
conversation, to talk about,talk about worlds, talk about
the short course, talk aboutwhere you're at and your
excitement level for it.
You know you've been out,you've been training on the
course a bit what your initialthoughts are you?
Is the stoke level high forthis?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
oh yeah, I mean I think initial thoughts, the
course is more technical thanprobably anything in the us, but
it like comes in waves, youknow, like it's really I don't
know, it's really hard tocompare it to anything Like
maybe maybe the rut would be theclosest comparison, um, but
(03:08):
honestly it's almost morerunnable than the rut.
But then the actual techiesections are way more technical,
um, but then the the gradientof the uphills and downhills is
way steeper.
Um, I don't know, it's reallyit's.
It'll be interesting.
I.
I mean, it seems like all theuphills are super runnable,
which I think you know Team USAwe got a lot of guys on the team
(03:29):
that are going to smash therunnable uphills.
Uh, the downhills are brutallysteep and, uh, technical.
So, like that very firstdownhill, like it's, it's flowy
and runnable, if you're, if youlike techie terrain and you know
, rocky like, kind of like it'salmost like it's all eroded out
from water, like a lot of it's.
There's not even really a trail, like it'll just be like an
(03:52):
erosion channel and then likepatches of trails to the right
or left, it's like there's nolike one maintained trail, it's
kind of just all over the place.
So it's pretty fun.
I mean, if anything it's, Idon't know there's a lot of
areas where it's pretty fun.
I mean, if anything it's, Idon't know there's a lot of
areas where it's just likechoose your own adventure, you
know, like it's like all right,have at it, Like go, go, run
fast down something, um, butit'll be interesting, I think.
(04:16):
Uh, I think we've got a lot ofguys that are going to have
quite a bit of strengths.
I really can't see anyweaknesses on our team with the
course itself.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So it'll be fun Nice.
Have you been able to get outwith any?
I know a lot of people arethere.
Have you been able to get outwith any of the teammates at all
on on the short trail team?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Not on the short trail team.
No, I think I'm the only personhere.
I think Eli might be coming outlike tomorrow.
Okay, I not on the short trailteam.
No, I think I'm the only personhere.
I think eli might be coming outlike tomorrow.
Okay, um, I think he'll be heresoon, um, but maybe get out
with eli soon.
Um, got out with some people inthe long trail team, though.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So, yeah, I'm able to run with some americans, so
that's nice nice, there you go,a little camaraderie, you know,
oh yeah, yeah, has, um, I don'tknow.
Just like what are you thinking?
Does this, this type of course?
Does it make you change likeshoe ideas for what type of shoe
you'll be wearing?
Uh, adjust for anything, causeit's going to be.
(05:15):
I've heard like this could be afive or six hour race.
Like, has it made you adjust,like your idea for duration and
things like that, because it isseems extremely technical?
Like, how has it changed your,your preconceived notions for
what, now that you've gotten toplay on it?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
um, I think it definitely requires something
with lugs, especially if it'swet.
There's quite a few differentreally steep downhills that are,
you know, 20% grade, that arejust straight down a patch of
grass.
So if it's wet at all, likepeople will be eating it left
(05:52):
and right, sliding down.
That.
I mean the very last section,the 10-mile section, of course,
is a lot of that plus a lot ofrock.
So I mean, if it rains thenight before, rains the morning
of, or if it's just extra humid,I mean mean you're gonna wish
to god you had lugs and goodrubber, um, because you will go
slipping and sliding, um, but ifit's dry I mean if it's dry
(06:15):
though, like yeah, you still dowant those lugs, but the rubber
won't be as big of a deal um,but yeah, that I mean.
The one thing that is reallysurprising to me is you look at
the course profile and it lookslike it's just straight up for
all the climbs, but surprisinglythey just zigzag up and it's
(06:38):
all super runnable.
So I could see, I don't know,like polls.
I'm not gonna bother with poles, mostly because I suck with
them, um, but also because Ijust don't think it's gonna be
really required, like the top ofeach climb, like you'll get you
know like the first climb is4500 feet, so you'll probably
get you know, 3800 feet upthat's super runnable and
(07:01):
switchbacky and then have to useyour poles for the last, final
part of the climb.
So you know, you know like youcould be using them for maybe 10
, 12 minutes on the first climb,then the second climb kind of
the same thing, but less times,like maybe five or six minutes
on that climb, and then the very, very final climb.
You know, two and a half hoursafter that you might use them
again.
(07:22):
Um, so I don't know, I don'tthink it's so.
I mean, knowing the Europeans,like you know Antonio Martinez
Perez and you know Manuel, guyswho are known for using their
poles really well, like I'm surethey're going to use them and
they're really good at it.
So I mean, of course it's goingto help them.
But I don't think you need tobe somebody that uses poles to,
(07:44):
you know, to podium at this raceor to finish top 10.
Um, in the long trail, 100.
Like, if you're not using polesin the long trail, like you're
probably totally screwed.
Um, yeah, because that's just a.
I mean what it's?
An 80k, but you know thesections that I have ran of it
and know of it.
It's like, yeah, it's not gonnathat that one's way.
(08:06):
Their course seems to be farmore rugged than ours is.
So, yeah, ours is just kind ofkind of not pancake, like not
pancakey, but like it's it'sflat uphill.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
yeah, like super vulnerable oh, interesting,
interesting, all right, so Igotta talk team dynamics here.
It's been interesting for mebecause, like I'm I'm very close
with the guys on the mountainclassic team.
Like I know cam and cam closewith the guys on the mountain
classic team.
Like I know cam and cam's kindof taken more of a this
leadership role in a lot of wayson the mountain classic team
and try to organize a camps andstuff like that and have people
out on your guys's end for theshort trail.
(08:41):
Have you guys been in contactwith one another?
I know unfortunately I guessthis is live news now people
know about this that ryan beckeris not going to be racing and
that he is going to be replaced.
I don't know if I can say bywho uh, I'm not going to leak
that yet until it becomesofficial or if they oh, dude,
entry lists are are public, somax king.
Max king is going to bereplacing him have you guys,
have you guys talked like, haveyou guys been able to, like you
(09:02):
know, talk as a team and haveany of those discussions?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
for, uh, as far as that goes, uh, we just shared
our first text messages today.
So what is the september 17thlike?
We have a.
We have a whatsapp group that,uh, tom hooper and paul made
okay um, but there hasn't reallybeen much communication on it.
Just because nobody's out hereyet, I mean it's really, it's
really just me.
Uh, eli, like I said, eli's outin europe but he's not here in
(09:28):
spain yet.
I think he's gonna be be here,like I said, today or tomorrow
somewhere, but yeah, therehasn't been much communication
yet.
I mean that will change.
I think people start rolling inearly next week, maybe this
weekend.
I know Max and David get herenext Monday.
(09:48):
I think Seth's at a weddingLike I've been kind of texting
people individually a little bit, but not all together Like Seth
has a wedding this weekend, soI think he'll be probably out
here by Monday or Tuesday.
Noah is slamming IPAs somewhere.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
He is, so God only knows what he's up to.
Helping David finish Nolans.
I saw him on the Nolans.
Yeah, yeah, I was like dude.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Helping David punch that ticket.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Get to Europe bro.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Noah, we know you're not working right now.
Get out of here, dude.
Yeah, let's see yeah, max, andthen I think that's everybody,
yeah, oh, yeah, let's see yeah,max, and then I think that's
everybody.
Yeah, I think I tickedeverybody off the list there,
but yeah, I think I don't know.
It would be nice to organize arun with the whole team for the
(10:39):
last, the back 10 of the course,all of it.
Like a lot of the hills arerunnable, but that back 10 tends
to get way more technical andthere's a lot of parts of it
where if you pre-run it you'regoing to be stoked.
You did so.
Hopefully we can.
I don't know, that's going tobe a little too late for me.
(11:01):
Like it's a two hour.
Like, if you're running thatlast 10 miles hard it's, you
know, going to be hour 52 hours.
You, you know like it's not aneasy 10 miles.
Jesus okay like yeah, like it's,it's pretty.
So I don't think, I don't know,I don't know if we're gonna be
able to get any runs in togetherunless they're flat, easy and
(11:21):
chill, because every single partof this course, if you're going
to do it a little bit of atrail rec here reconnaissance,
like your minimum doing, youknow 10 to 12 miles, so I'll
probably.
And then like long, 10, 12miles, you know you're either
doing four, almost 5,000 feet ofclimbing or you know 3,900,
with a bunch of technicalterrain or steep stuff.
(11:45):
So it's like I don't know.
Trying to check out the coursethe week of is going to be
difficult.
Um, I feel like it mightcontribute a little too much
fatigue, uh, but I mean it could.
It could also help with themental side of things.
So who am I to say what worksbest for everyone?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Uh, yeah, Interesting , interesting, um, all right, so
I've got to ask you thequestion.
One of the things I reallyappreciate and admire about you
is that, just like the grand,you kind of like projected this
in a lot of ways.
Like you, it seems like youcame out here very early.
You learned every, a lot of.
You learned pretty mucheverything possible about the
course.
It seems like you know most ofthe sections extremely well.
(12:24):
Would you, would you agree withthat?
I mean, I like how peopleproject stuff, because that sets
you up for success.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I mean, I do love to do that.
I think it works wonders from amental standpoint, especially
once you try to start puttinginto your head splits, timeframe
, nutrition, where you're goingto be, what you're going to do,
how much energy you need, what'son the other side of this hill,
um, and just have the abilityto you know put.
(12:58):
You know put a little extra gason the pedal in certain places.
Or you know, know you shouldlet off in certain places.
You know where to go all in andwhere to make up time.
Um, I think there's a lot of.
Yeah, personally, I love doingthat with any course I can.
Um, this one, like I said, Ithink that back 10, the final 10
(13:20):
miles is definitely, I wouldsay, you know, if anything like
the crux of the course, uh,everything else.
Honestly, the first 18 miles ofit, like it's kind of just like
follow the flags and let it rip, like I don't really think it's
that you know that important tohave to be out here to check
(13:41):
that out.
Um, I think being mentallyready for it all, that's the
most important part piece of it.
Uh, know, knowing that, allright, cool, we're running down
a 20 degree slope on a field ofgrass, um, or just kind of
getting getting familiar withthe terrain.
You know, getting familiar withwhat type of rocky terrain it
(14:01):
is, um, you know how big of lugsto wear.
You know which shoes to wear?
Um, like there's definitely youknow which shoes to wear?
Um, like there's definitely,you know a lot of little things.
That kind of add up that Ithink can help out and save a
lot of time.
So, yeah, I, I mean I love beingable to recce all my courses,
like I think it just workswonders from a mental point of
(14:23):
view, and being able to see thecourse and you know visualize
things before the race, and youknow visualize things during the
race.
And you know visualize thingsduring the race and just wrap
your head around what you're upagainst and what you have left
to do.
You know it can be I mean, it'sa double-edged sword.
It can be.
If you hit a wall early on, itcould be extremely daunting, and
then you're just like fuck,like I got, I still have to do
(14:45):
that, like all right, damn.
But at the other end of it it'slike man, I feel really good.
So I'm going to push thissection, cause I know what's up
ahead of me.
Um, so I think you know,depending on where you're at in
the race, it could be good, itcould be bad.
But you know the point is forit to be good and to work hard.
So you know you kind of have tolean into that side of it,
(15:05):
gotcha.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Gotcha.
Um, this might be all right.
I got to ask you this question.
It's been a bumpy season foryou a little bit, and do you put
high expectations on this oneto to to hit a home run, or is
it more so just go out there anddo my thing?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Um, definitely, I mean definitely high
expectations.
I mean I'll be going into thisone with, surprisingly, even
though I've bombed every racethis year Um, I, I'm pretty sure
I know why and I have itfigured out, and, um, if
anything, that just gives memore confidence to really go for
it.
Um, so, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'mgoing to be pushing right off
(15:44):
the gun and just, you know you,only you don't.
How many chances do you have toline up at a world championship
, Like if you're, if you're notrolling the dice and going for
it, then why are you there?
You know, like you may as well,you know, push all your chips
in and you know, really let itrip.
So that's my, my goal is toreally let it rip.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
All right, All right, I like it.
I like it.
The uh, the stars and thestripes.
What does it mean to you torepresent team USA?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Um, I mean shit, man, like, since I was 13 years old
reading books on, you know, uh,you know once a runner.
Um, man, like, since I was 13years old reading books on you
know, you know once a runner.
You know all these legendaryrunning lore books and, just
like having that dream of youknow, for some reason, when I
was a kid, I'd always thought Iwould be, you know, racing like
a 5k or 10k in the Olympics.
You know reading aboutPrefontaine and you know reading
(16:42):
about all of the differentrunning legends and the lore.
Like you know, I was always,you know, had those dreams, but,
you know, little did I know itwas slow as shit and there was
no way I was going to be reppingthe red, white and blue in a 5k
dude.
Um, so, the fact that you knowI found my niche and I know you
know what I, what I am good andbad at, and having the ability
to, you know I found my nicheand I know you know what I, what
(17:03):
I am good and bad at, andhaving the ability to, you know,
go all in on it and still weara team usa jersey like I don't
know it's.
It's pretty special I, you know, part of me was like, man, like
I didn't get picked on resumespot.
I didn't get.
I didn't get picked because Igot top three at Broken Arrow.
I got picked on my resume.
(17:25):
So there might be a crowd orpeople who are like, oh well,
you maybe didn't deserve it.
You were picked because of whatyou've done in the past, not
what you've done now, and that'sfine, I don't give a shit.
I think it's even cooler to bepicked on resume for what I have
done and have the respect to beput on that too.
Um, so I mean, yeah, at the endof the day, I'm I'm stoked to be
(17:48):
able to wear a team USA, jerseyand uh, you know, it's kind of
a it's.
It truly is a dream come true,which is why I'm like, well,
fuck it man.
Like we're going to roll thedice and we're we're going all
in on this thing and uh, youknow not gonna, you know not
going to treat it like a race,that you know you're waiting,
(18:10):
waiting to see if people dropback to you.
It's like, no, I want to be, Iwant to be up there racing.
Like I don't want, I don't wantto rely on people to die up
front and to come back to meLike I want to be there when
they die.
Like you know what I mean.
Like I want to be there whensomeone realizes that they can't
hold the pace anymore and theystart to drop back.
(18:31):
And that could be me and that'sfine.
Like that's part of racing andthat's part of you know the
whole mentality of putting itall out there.
So yeah, that's that's my goal.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I like it.
I like it.
What do you think of this team?
Do you guys think, from a teamperspective?
Obviously missing Ryan sucks,but with the gain of Max, that
also brings a lot of experience.
Yourself, eli, noah, you guyshave a.
I don't want to call you guysthe dream team, but like it's a,
it's a solid fucking team.
Like you guys have the abilityto go get a medal.
Um, I, I is that, would you say.
That's the expectation for forthe from a team perspective.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Oh, 100%.
I think it's an extremelystrong team.
I mean missing, missing Ryanand having Ryan be injured and
not be able to uh, heal that Imean I think tor is posterior,
yeah, post, yeah, so I meanthat's like that sucks like.
I love ryan.
I think he's a great guy, he'sa fantastic racer.
He puts a lot of time andeffort and dedication into all
(19:35):
of this, and I mean the factthat he isn't sponsored yet just
absolutely blows my mind likethat's totally ridiculous.
Um, it sucks to not have ryanout here, um, but at the same
time, I think the rest of theteam is all really strong guys
as well.
I think we have one of the.
(19:56):
I mean, if you look at elihemming, he is one of the best
50K runners in the entire world.
David Sinclair typically hasbeen beating Eli Hemmings Like.
So between those two right offthe bat, it's like all right,
cool, like we got a prettystrong punch right there.
(20:17):
You know, seth has a crazyengine.
I think this course is going tosuit him really well.
A lot of the runnable climbsand Seth's been.
You know, I've seen Seth run onsome of the shale on the
terrain over at the rut and he'svery good at that as well, so I
think Seth could have anawesome day.
Noah Williams ran what was histime last year.
(20:41):
It was like 2.45?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It was pretty fast, yeah, 2.43, maybe even.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You can fact check me on that one.
But Noah's super strong, comingdown from Leadville, he's a
super tough dude, he's hungry,he's ready for it.
And then we got Max to kind ofjust take the team captain role.
And if you've been watching Maxthe last few years, captain
role and like, if you've beenwatching max the last few years,
he's been really leaning intothe uh, really really leaning
(21:09):
into the uh crap that's calledorienteering, yeah, and pretty
much everything he's been doinghas been, you know, like
technical, like totally weirdshit that you know most of us
aren't doing.
So like his, his, hisexperience, strength and ability
to totally navigate and crushthat terrain is, you know, like
it sucks to lose ryan.
(21:29):
But I think the fact that we dohave max's experience to fall
back on like that's, that'spretty damn awesome, you know,
and like I think it says a lotabout becker that you know the
one guy who is chosen to toreplace him is like an absolute
legend in us mountain running.
So I don't know I I really Ithink our team makeup is solid.
(21:53):
Uh, what the spanish and theitalians are fucking strong.
Uh, same as the french.
Uh, the spanish team isdefinitely, I don't know, this
is their, this is their turf, Imean, and those guys are,
they're very strong, theirlineup is badass, uh.
So I think like, honestly, dude, I think we have to have, like
(22:17):
we're gonna have to have threeguys in the top 15 to win this
thing and to get a gold medal,like I think it's going to be
that tight up front, um, andit's kind of cool, like bringing
back the whole collegecross-country mentality, all
this yeah like personally, likeI'm not.
(22:38):
I'm in it to run my own race.
Like I care about my teammatesand I care that they do.
Well, I care, you know about, Icare about my fellow US
countrymen and I want them tokick ass.
But at the end of the day, teamtactics in a race like this
we've all been doing all thisand running our own races for so
long.
It would almost be a bad ideafor us to start thinking like,
(23:00):
hey guys, let's all do this andtry to run this way.
No, I think if everybody justruns their own race and is
supportive of each other and,you know, has the extra
mentality and boost of like I'mnot just doing this for myself
today, I'm doing this for all ofthese guys, even if we're not
running together, I think that'senough, you know, have that
(23:23):
extra oomph to hopefully get usin metal territory.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Dude with your resume .
You're a first bout hall offamer in the sport now which is
kind of crazy to think about.
No, dude, you're half, I mean.
I would easily say, uh, you'rea hall of famer.
What would it mean to you forthe resume to get doesn't matter
, I mean gold medal, silvermedal, bronze medal, like what
would that do for you as far aslike your career, like what
(23:49):
would you like?
How excited, um, and just likewhat would that be to put that
on the list of the resume, ifyou will?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I mean that would be awesome.
I think that's more of likelike goal versus process thing.
You know, the process of it all, like the fact that I can even
be here training for the raceand be lining up for it and
being in a place where I feelgood about lining up for it and
to be competitive, that'shonestly enough for me.
I'm just stoked to have theopportunity to be able to even
(24:21):
do it and that's special in andof itself.
Anything else is just gravy,you know, like anything else is
just like hell.
Yeah, but uh, but you know, uh,process over over the goal and
the destination.
Um, that would be awesome, thatwould be.
You know, the.
The dream was not.
(24:42):
The dream has always been towear the Jersey.
You know the dream was neveractually to win in the Jersey.
The dream has been to representthe Jersey and the colors in
the country, you know.
So I mean that's that's alreadyhappened.
So now everything else.
That's why you know kind ofhave a bit of a maybe a little
bit of a laissez-faire attitudewith the race, like maybe it.
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You know I feel really strong,so race it kind of how I I used
to, and you know kind of throw alittle bit more of the you know
intelligent racing if you willout the window like I'm not
gonna, you know, and it would bereally cool to add add a medal
to the resume, but for me, theresume and being here is all I
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really need.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I love it.
What's next for you after this?
Are you hanging out in Europefor a bit longer, or are you
going somewhere else?
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
No, dude, I got to go back for sentencing.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That was not a gotcha question, by the way.
I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I know I know no dude way, I totally forgot about
that.
I know I know no dude.
Uh, hopefully, hopefully wecould get it moved.
But I'm supposed to be backoctober 1st, which would suck,
because if we do metal, then Ihave to miss the ceremony and I
won't even be able to be there,which is another reason why I'm
like, ah, like, whatever, like Iguess you know, like, for me,
just being here is the, is themetal, um, so I may have to
(26:05):
totally skip it if that happens.
But as of right now, I have tobe in a courtroom in jackson
hole on october 1st, um, andthen kodiak, 100k.
Okay, all right, all right.
So, dude, kodiak, I forgot.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Francesco told me about kodiak.
Okay, sweet dude, that'll befun, that'll be.
Kodiak is a dope race.
You get to hang out with ChadHall.
That'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, oh yeah.
No, I'd be stoked.
I don't think we've ever raced,so I mean he'd smoke my ass in
anything you know, 50k and under, I think, especially on those
trails.
But I don, I could actually,you know, go up against them and
see what happens but it'll be anice, it'll be a nice cherry on
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top for the season.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You know, nice, nice, I do.
I'd love to hear it, man.
Um, dude, wish you the best ofluck.
I hope you have an amazing race, man.
I hope it.
I hope it's the a beautiful capon the season and, uh, you know
, is it meets your expectationsand you have a great day out
there.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Thanks, man.
Yeah, I'm stoked.
Thanks for thanks for having meon again and stoked to uh hear
what everybody else has to sayabout this race.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Thanks for coming on.
Oh, absolutely Dude.
It's going to be fun.
Appreciate it oh yeah, thankyou.
We'll see you next time.
It's time.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
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We are live.
Michelino Senseri.
Welcome back to the Steep StuffPodcast.
How's it going, buddy?
Good dude.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Stoked to be here.
Just woke up from a siesta overhere in Spain, man.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Is that a thing they do there?
They do siestas pretty often.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Dude, it's kind of wild.
A lot of the restaurants,anytime we've tried to go after
runs's closed or they're notserving food till you know 8 pm.
Everyone's just hanging outdrinking at five, six, seven
o'clock having a couple freedinner beers, and then the
restaurant's all open.
They're like all right, finallylike I can get some dinner, uh.
(01:40):
But yeah, definitely it's kindof cool dude, I would never go
back.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I would just stay if I were you.
Honestly, like it sounds likeit sounds a bit like europe.
Every time I've been to europeI'm just like, why do I go back?
It's just so nice over there.
Europe's amazing thought aboutit.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Food's better.
The only problem is nobodysmiles around here.
Man, like I don't know, I'm apretty friendly guy so I usually
like smile and say hi toeverybody on the trails.
Yeah, but I don't know, I'm apretty friendly guy so I usually
like smile and say hi toeverybody on the trails.
But I don't know, around townit's just like you say hi or
smile and everybody just kind ofmean mugs, you like as you walk
by and nobody says anything.
It's kind of I don't know, it'snot very friendly, I don't
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think.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
That's a little weird yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
They don't really smile.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Euros don't really smile for photos either, Do they
?
I don't know.
I'm trying to think, or is thatjust like people from the 1800s
?
I don't know so well, man,we're here to do this
conversation, to talk about,talk about worlds, talk about
the short course, talk aboutwhere you're at and your
excitement level for it.
You know you've been out,you've been training on the
course a bit what your initialthoughts are you?
Is the stoke level high forthis?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
oh yeah, I mean I think initial thoughts, the
course is more technical thanprobably anything in the us, but
it like comes in waves, youknow, like it's really I don't
know, it's really hard tocompare it to anything Like
maybe maybe the rut would be theclosest comparison, um, but
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honestly it's almost morerunnable than the rut.
But then the actual techiesections are way more technical,
um, but then the the gradientof the uphills and downhills is
way steeper.
Um, I don't know, it's reallyit's.
It'll be interesting.
I.
I mean, it seems like all theuphills are super runnable,
which I think you know Team USAwe got a lot of guys on the team
(03:29):
that are going to smash therunnable uphills.
Uh, the downhills are brutallysteep and, uh, technical.
So, like that very firstdownhill, like it's, it's flowy
and runnable, if you're, if youlike techie terrain and you know
, rocky like, kind of like it'salmost like it's all eroded out
from water, like a lot of it's.
There's not even really a trail, like it'll just be like an
(03:52):
erosion channel and then likepatches of trails to the right
or left, it's like there's nolike one maintained trail, it's
kind of just all over the place.
So it's pretty fun.
I mean, if anything it's, Idon't know there's a lot of
areas where it's pretty fun.
I mean, if anything it's, Idon't know there's a lot of
areas where it's just likechoose your own adventure, you
know, like it's like all right,have at it, Like go, go, run
fast down something, um, butit'll be interesting, I think.
(04:16):
Uh, I think we've got a lot ofguys that are going to have
quite a bit of strengths.
I really can't see anyweaknesses on our team with the
course itself.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So it'll be fun Nice.
Have you been able to get outwith any?
I know a lot of people arethere.
Have you been able to get outwith any of the teammates at all
on on the short trail team?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Not on the short trail team.
No, I think I'm the only personhere.
I think Eli might be coming outlike tomorrow.
Okay, I not on the short trailteam.
No, I think I'm the only personhere.
I think eli might be coming outlike tomorrow.
Okay, um, I think he'll be heresoon, um, but maybe get out
with eli soon.
Um, got out with some people inthe long trail team, though.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So, yeah, I'm able to run with some americans, so
that's nice nice, there you go,a little camaraderie, you know,
oh yeah, yeah, has, um, I don'tknow.
Just like what are you thinking?
Does this, this type of course?
Does it make you change likeshoe ideas for what type of shoe
you'll be wearing?
Uh, adjust for anything, causeit's going to be.
(05:15):
I've heard like this could be afive or six hour race.
Like, has it made you adjust,like your idea for duration and
things like that, because it isseems extremely technical?
Like, how has it changed your,your preconceived notions for
what, now that you've gotten toplay on it?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
um, I think it definitely requires something
with lugs, especially if it'swet.
There's quite a few differentreally steep downhills that are,
you know, 20% grade, that arejust straight down a patch of
grass.
So if it's wet at all, likepeople will be eating it left
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and right, sliding down.
That.
I mean the very last section,the 10-mile section, of course,
is a lot of that plus a lot ofrock.
So I mean, if it rains thenight before, rains the morning
of, or if it's just extra humid,I mean mean you're gonna wish
to god you had lugs and goodrubber, um, because you will go
slipping and sliding, um, but ifit's dry I mean if it's dry
(06:15):
though, like yeah, you still dowant those lugs, but the rubber
won't be as big of a deal um,but yeah, that I mean.
The one thing that is reallysurprising to me is you look at
the course profile and it lookslike it's just straight up for
all the climbs, but surprisinglythey just zigzag up and it's
(06:38):
all super runnable.
So I could see, I don't know,like polls.
I'm not gonna bother with poles, mostly because I suck with
them, um, but also because Ijust don't think it's gonna be
really required, like the top ofeach climb, like you'll get you
know like the first climb is4500 feet, so you'll probably
get you know, 3800 feet upthat's super runnable and
(07:01):
switchbacky and then have to useyour poles for the last, final
part of the climb.
So you know, you know like youcould be using them for maybe 10
, 12 minutes on the first climb,then the second climb kind of
the same thing, but less times,like maybe five or six minutes
on that climb, and then the very, very final climb.
You know, two and a half hoursafter that you might use them
again.
(07:22):
Um, so I don't know, I don'tthink it's so.
I mean, knowing the Europeans,like you know Antonio Martinez
Perez and you know Manuel, guyswho are known for using their
poles really well, like I'm surethey're going to use them and
they're really good at it.
So I mean, of course it's goingto help them.
But I don't think you need tobe somebody that uses poles to,
(07:44):
you know, to podium at this raceor to finish top 10.
Um, in the long trail, 100.
Like, if you're not using polesin the long trail, like you're
probably totally screwed.
Um, yeah, because that's just a.
I mean what it's?
An 80k, but you know thesections that I have ran of it
and know of it.
It's like, yeah, it's not gonnathat that one's way.
(08:06):
Their course seems to be farmore rugged than ours is.
So, yeah, ours is just kind ofkind of not pancake, like not
pancakey, but like it's it'sflat uphill.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
yeah, like super vulnerable oh, interesting,
interesting, all right, so Igotta talk team dynamics here.
It's been interesting for mebecause, like I'm I'm very close
with the guys on the mountainclassic team.
Like I know cam and cam closewith the guys on the mountain
classic team.
Like I know cam and cam's kindof taken more of a this
leadership role in a lot of wayson the mountain classic team
and try to organize a camps andstuff like that and have people
out on your guys's end for theshort trail.
(08:41):
Have you guys been in contactwith one another?
I know unfortunately I guessthis is live news now people
know about this that ryan beckeris not going to be racing and
that he is going to be replaced.
I don't know if I can say bywho uh, I'm not going to leak
that yet until it becomesofficial or if they oh, dude,
entry lists are are public, somax king.
Max king is going to bereplacing him have you guys,
have you guys talked like, haveyou guys been able to, like you
(09:02):
know, talk as a team and haveany of those discussions?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
for, uh, as far as that goes, uh, we just shared
our first text messages today.
So what is the september 17thlike?
We have a.
We have a whatsapp group that,uh, tom hooper and paul made
okay um, but there hasn't reallybeen much communication on it.
Just because nobody's out hereyet, I mean it's really, it's
really just me.
Uh, eli, like I said, eli's outin europe but he's not here in
(09:28):
spain yet.
I think he's gonna be be here,like I said, today or tomorrow
somewhere, but yeah, therehasn't been much communication
yet.
I mean that will change.
I think people start rolling inearly next week, maybe this
weekend.
I know Max and David get herenext Monday.
(09:48):
I think Seth's at a weddingLike I've been kind of texting
people individually a little bit, but not all together Like Seth
has a wedding this weekend, soI think he'll be probably out
here by Monday or Tuesday.
Noah is slamming IPAs somewhere.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
He is, so God only knows what he's up to.
Helping David finish Nolans.
I saw him on the Nolans.
Yeah, yeah, I was like dude.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Helping David punch that ticket.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Get to Europe bro.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Noah, we know you're not working right now.
Get out of here, dude.
Yeah, let's see yeah, max, andthen I think that's everybody,
yeah, oh, yeah, let's see yeah,max, and then I think that's
everybody.
Yeah, I think I tickedeverybody off the list there,
but yeah, I think I don't know.
It would be nice to organize arun with the whole team for the
(10:39):
last, the back 10 of the course,all of it.
Like a lot of the hills arerunnable, but that back 10 tends
to get way more technical andthere's a lot of parts of it
where if you pre-run it you'regoing to be stoked.
You did so.
Hopefully we can.
I don't know, that's going tobe a little too late for me.
(11:01):
Like it's a two hour.
Like, if you're running thatlast 10 miles hard it's, you
know, going to be hour 52 hours.
You, you know like it's not aneasy 10 miles.
Jesus okay like yeah, like it's,it's pretty.
So I don't think, I don't know,I don't know if we're gonna be
able to get any runs in togetherunless they're flat, easy and
(11:21):
chill, because every single partof this course, if you're going
to do it a little bit of atrail rec here reconnaissance,
like your minimum doing, youknow 10 to 12 miles, so I'll
probably.
And then like long, 10, 12miles, you know you're either
doing four, almost 5,000 feet ofclimbing or you know 3,900,
with a bunch of technicalterrain or steep stuff.
(11:45):
So it's like I don't know.
Trying to check out the coursethe week of is going to be
difficult.
Um, I feel like it mightcontribute a little too much
fatigue, uh, but I mean it could.
It could also help with themental side of things.
So who am I to say what worksbest for everyone?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Uh, yeah, Interesting , interesting, um, all right, so
I've got to ask you thequestion.
One of the things I reallyappreciate and admire about you
is that, just like the grand,you kind of like projected this
in a lot of ways.
Like you, it seems like youcame out here very early.
You learned every, a lot of.
You learned pretty mucheverything possible about the
course.
It seems like you know most ofthe sections extremely well.
(12:24):
Would you, would you agree withthat?
I mean, I like how peopleproject stuff, because that sets
you up for success.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I mean, I do love to do that.
I think it works wonders from amental standpoint, especially
once you try to start puttinginto your head splits, timeframe
, nutrition, where you're goingto be, what you're going to do,
how much energy you need, what'son the other side of this hill,
um, and just have the abilityto you know put.
(12:58):
You know put a little extra gason the pedal in certain places.
Or you know, know you shouldlet off in certain places.
You know where to go all in andwhere to make up time.
Um, I think there's a lot of.
Yeah, personally, I love doingthat with any course I can.
Um, this one, like I said, Ithink that back 10, the final 10
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miles is definitely, I wouldsay, you know, if anything like
the crux of the course, uh,everything else.
Honestly, the first 18 miles ofit, like it's kind of just like
follow the flags and let it rip, like I don't really think it's
that you know that important tohave to be out here to check
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that out.
Um, I think being mentallyready for it all, that's the
most important part piece of it.
Uh, know, knowing that, allright, cool, we're running down
a 20 degree slope on a field ofgrass, um, or just kind of
getting getting familiar withthe terrain.
You know, getting familiar withwhat type of rocky terrain it
(14:01):
is, um, you know how big of lugsto wear.
You know which shoes to wear?
Um, like there's definitely youknow which shoes to wear?
Um, like there's definitely,you know a lot of little things.
That kind of add up that Ithink can help out and save a
lot of time.
So, yeah, I, I mean I love beingable to recce all my courses,
like I think it just workswonders from a mental point of
(14:23):
view, and being able to see thecourse and you know visualize
things before the race, and youknow visualize things during the
race.
And you know visualize thingsduring the race and just wrap
your head around what you're upagainst and what you have left
to do.
You know it can be I mean, it'sa double-edged sword.
It can be.
If you hit a wall early on, itcould be extremely daunting, and
then you're just like fuck,like I got, I still have to do
(14:45):
that, like all right, damn.
But at the other end of it it'slike man, I feel really good.
So I'm going to push thissection, cause I know what's up
ahead of me.
Um, so I think you know,depending on where you're at in
the race, it could be good, itcould be bad.
But you know the point is forit to be good and to work hard.
So you know you kind of have tolean into that side of it,
(15:05):
gotcha.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Gotcha.
Um, this might be all right.
I got to ask you this question.
It's been a bumpy season foryou a little bit, and do you put
high expectations on this oneto to to hit a home run, or is
it more so just go out there anddo my thing?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Um, definitely, I mean definitely high
expectations.
I mean I'll be going into thisone with, surprisingly, even
though I've bombed every racethis year Um, I, I'm pretty sure
I know why and I have itfigured out, and, um, if
anything, that just gives memore confidence to really go for
it.
Um, so, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'mgoing to be pushing right off
(15:44):
the gun and just, you know you,only you don't.
How many chances do you have toline up at a world championship
, Like if you're, if you're notrolling the dice and going for
it, then why are you there?
You know, like you may as well,you know, push all your chips
in and you know, really let itrip.
So that's my, my goal is toreally let it rip.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
All right, All right, I like it.
I like it.
The uh, the stars and thestripes.
What does it mean to you torepresent team USA?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Um, I mean shit, man, like, since I was 13 years old
reading books on, you know, uh,you know once a runner.
Um, man, like, since I was 13years old reading books on you
know, you know once a runner.
You know all these legendaryrunning lore books and, just
like having that dream of youknow, for some reason, when I
was a kid, I'd always thought Iwould be, you know, racing like
a 5k or 10k in the Olympics.
You know reading aboutPrefontaine and you know reading
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about all of the differentrunning legends and the lore.
Like you know, I was always,you know, had those dreams, but,
you know, little did I know itwas slow as shit and there was
no way I was going to be reppingthe red, white and blue in a 5k
dude.
Um, so, the fact that you knowI found my niche and I know you
know what I, what I am good andbad at, and having the ability
to, you know I found my nicheand I know you know what I, what
(17:03):
I am good and bad at, andhaving the ability to, you know,
go all in on it and still weara team usa jersey like I don't
know it's.
It's pretty special I, you know, part of me was like, man, like
I didn't get picked on resumespot.
I didn't get.
I didn't get picked because Igot top three at Broken Arrow.
I got picked on my resume.
(17:25):
So there might be a crowd orpeople who are like, oh well,
you maybe didn't deserve it.
You were picked because of whatyou've done in the past, not
what you've done now, and that'sfine, I don't give a shit.
I think it's even cooler to bepicked on resume for what I have
done and have the respect to beput on that too.
Um, so I mean, yeah, at the endof the day, I'm I'm stoked to be
(17:48):
able to wear a team USA, jerseyand uh, you know, it's kind of
a it's.
It truly is a dream come true,which is why I'm like, well,
fuck it man.
Like we're going to roll thedice and we're we're going all
in on this thing and uh, youknow not gonna, you know not
going to treat it like a race,that you know you're waiting,
(18:10):
waiting to see if people dropback to you.
It's like, no, I want to be, Iwant to be up there racing.
Like I don't want, I don't wantto rely on people to die up
front and to come back to meLike I want to be there when
they die.
Like you know what I mean.
Like I want to be there whensomeone realizes that they can't
hold the pace anymore and theystart to drop back.
(18:31):
And that could be me and that'sfine.
Like that's part of racing andthat's part of you know the
whole mentality of putting itall out there.
So yeah, that's that's my goal.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I like it.
I like it.
What do you think of this team?
Do you guys think, from a teamperspective?
Obviously missing Ryan sucks,but with the gain of Max, that
also brings a lot of experience.
Yourself, eli, noah, you guyshave a.
I don't want to call you guysthe dream team, but like it's a,
it's a solid fucking team.
Like you guys have the abilityto go get a medal.
Um, I, I is that, would you say.
That's the expectation for forthe from a team perspective.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Oh, 100%.
I think it's an extremelystrong team.
I mean missing, missing Ryanand having Ryan be injured and
not be able to uh, heal that Imean I think tor is posterior,
yeah, post, yeah, so I meanthat's like that sucks like.
I love ryan.
I think he's a great guy, he'sa fantastic racer.
He puts a lot of time andeffort and dedication into all
(19:35):
of this, and I mean the factthat he isn't sponsored yet just
absolutely blows my mind likethat's totally ridiculous.
Um, it sucks to not have ryanout here, um, but at the same
time, I think the rest of theteam is all really strong guys
as well.
I think we have one of the.
(19:56):
I mean, if you look at elihemming, he is one of the best
50K runners in the entire world.
David Sinclair typically hasbeen beating Eli Hemmings Like.
So between those two right offthe bat, it's like all right,
cool, like we got a prettystrong punch right there.
(20:17):
You know, seth has a crazyengine.
I think this course is going tosuit him really well.
A lot of the runnable climbsand Seth's been.
You know, I've seen Seth run onsome of the shale on the
terrain over at the rut and he'svery good at that as well, so I
think Seth could have anawesome day.
Noah Williams ran what was histime last year.
(20:41):
It was like 2.45?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It was pretty fast, yeah, 2.43, maybe even.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
You can fact check me on that one.
But Noah's super strong, comingdown from Leadville, he's a
super tough dude, he's hungry,he's ready for it.
And then we got Max to kind ofjust take the team captain role.
And if you've been watching Maxthe last few years, captain
role and like, if you've beenwatching max the last few years,
he's been really leaning intothe uh, really really leaning
(21:09):
into the uh crap that's calledorienteering, yeah, and pretty
much everything he's been doinghas been, you know, like
technical, like totally weirdshit that you know most of us
aren't doing.
So like his, his, hisexperience, strength and ability
to totally navigate and crushthat terrain is, you know, like
it sucks to lose ryan.
(21:29):
But I think the fact that we dohave max's experience to fall
back on like that's, that'spretty damn awesome, you know,
and like I think it says a lotabout becker that you know the
one guy who is chosen to toreplace him is like an absolute
legend in us mountain running.
So I don't know I I really Ithink our team makeup is solid.
(21:53):
Uh, what the spanish and theitalians are fucking strong.
Uh, same as the french.
Uh, the spanish team isdefinitely, I don't know, this
is their, this is their turf, Imean, and those guys are,
they're very strong, theirlineup is badass, uh.
So I think like, honestly, dude, I think we have to have, like
(22:17):
we're gonna have to have threeguys in the top 15 to win this
thing and to get a gold medal,like I think it's going to be
that tight up front, um, andit's kind of cool, like bringing
back the whole collegecross-country mentality, all
this yeah like personally, likeI'm not.
(22:38):
I'm in it to run my own race.
Like I care about my teammatesand I care that they do.
Well, I care, you know about, Icare about my fellow US
countrymen and I want them tokick ass.
But at the end of the day, teamtactics in a race like this
we've all been doing all thisand running our own races for so
long.
It would almost be a bad ideafor us to start thinking like,
(23:00):
hey guys, let's all do this andtry to run this way.
No, I think if everybody justruns their own race and is
supportive of each other and,you know, has the extra
mentality and boost of like I'mnot just doing this for myself
today, I'm doing this for all ofthese guys, even if we're not
running together, I think that'senough, you know, have that
(23:23):
extra oomph to hopefully get usin metal territory.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Dude with your resume .
You're a first bout hall offamer in the sport now which is
kind of crazy to think about.
No, dude, you're half, I mean.
I would easily say, uh, you'rea hall of famer.
What would it mean to you forthe resume to get doesn't matter
, I mean gold medal, silvermedal, bronze medal, like what
would that do for you as far aslike your career, like what
(23:49):
would you like?
How excited, um, and just likewhat would that be to put that
on the list of the resume, ifyou will?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I mean that would be awesome.
I think that's more of likelike goal versus process thing.
You know, the process of it all, like the fact that I can even
be here training for the raceand be lining up for it and
being in a place where I feelgood about lining up for it and
to be competitive, that'shonestly enough for me.
I'm just stoked to have theopportunity to be able to even
(24:21):
do it and that's special in andof itself.
Anything else is just gravy,you know, like anything else is
just like hell.
Yeah, but uh, but you know, uh,process over over the goal and
the destination.
Um, that would be awesome, thatwould be.
You know, the.
The dream was not.
(24:42):
The dream has always been towear the Jersey.
You know the dream was neveractually to win in the Jersey.
The dream has been to representthe Jersey and the colors in
the country, you know.
So I mean that's that's alreadyhappened.
So now everything else.
That's why you know kind ofhave a bit of a maybe a little
bit of a laissez-faire attitudewith the race, like maybe it.
(25:02):
You know I feel really strong,so race it kind of how I I used
to, and you know kind of throw alittle bit more of the you know
intelligent racing if you willout the window like I'm not
gonna, you know, and it would bereally cool to add add a medal
to the resume, but for me, theresume and being here is all I
(25:25):
really need.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I love it.
What's next for you after this?
Are you hanging out in Europefor a bit longer, or are you
going somewhere else?
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
No, dude, I got to go back for sentencing.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That was not a gotcha question, by the way.
I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
I know I know no dude way, I totally forgot about
that.
I know I know no dude.
Uh, hopefully, hopefully wecould get it moved.
But I'm supposed to be backoctober 1st, which would suck,
because if we do metal, then Ihave to miss the ceremony and I
won't even be able to be there,which is another reason why I'm
like, ah, like, whatever, like Iguess you know, like, for me,
just being here is the, is themetal, um, so I may have to
(26:05):
totally skip it if that happens.
But as of right now, I have tobe in a courtroom in jackson
hole on october 1st, um, andthen kodiak, 100k.
Okay, all right, all right.
So, dude, kodiak, I forgot.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Francesco told me about kodiak.
Okay, sweet dude, that'll befun, that'll be.
Kodiak is a dope race.
You get to hang out with ChadHall.
That'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, oh yeah.
No, I'd be stoked.
I don't think we've ever raced,so I mean he'd smoke my ass in
anything you know, 50k and under, I think, especially on those
trails.
But I don, I could actually,you know, go up against them and
see what happens but it'll be anice, it'll be a nice cherry on
(26:49):
top for the season.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You know, nice, nice, I do.
I'd love to hear it, man.
Um, dude, wish you the best ofluck.
I hope you have an amazing race, man.
I hope it.
I hope it's the a beautiful capon the season and, uh, you know
, is it meets your expectationsand you have a great day out
there.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Thanks, man.
Yeah, I'm stoked.
Thanks for thanks for having meon again and stoked to uh hear
what everybody else has to sayabout this race.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Thanks for coming on.
Oh, absolutely Dude.
It's going to be fun.
Appreciate it oh yeah, thankyou.
We'll see you next time.
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