September 23, 2025 • 43 mins
Ruby Lindquist has experienced a meteoric rise in the trail running world this season, securing a coveted spot on Team USA for the World Trail Championships following a gutsy sixth-place finish at the hyper-competitive Broken Arrow 50K. Our conversation dives deep into the mental strategies that allow her to push through pain barriers when races aren't going according to plan.
"You feel this awful feeling and you just have to pass right through it," Ruby explains, describing how she managed to stay focused at Broken Arrow despite not feeling her best. This acceptance of suffering rather than resistance to it has become a cornerstone of her racing philosophy. It's particularly relevant as she prepares for the World Championships course with its punishing 12,000 feet of vertical gain—terrain that should play to the strengths of the strong Alaskan contingent heading to the event.
Ruby's evolution as an athlete extends beyond the mental game. She's embraced a data-driven approach to nutrition, working with professionals to determine she's actually a "low salty sweater"—contradicting the high-sodium approach she'd previously followed. This personalized nutritional strategy has eliminated much of the trial-and-error that plagued her longer races in the past. Combined with targeted strength training and focused vert sessions, Ruby is methodically addressing every aspect of performance.
What stands out most in our conversation is Ruby's balanced perspective on competitive running. Despite her elite status, she emphasizes the importance of maintaining joy in the sport: "The reason why we do this is to be outside," she reminds us. This philosophy extends to her vision for trail running's future, where she believes Olympic-level competition can coexist with the community-oriented soul of the sport—much like what's happened with climbing and surfing.
Want to follow Ruby's journey or discover what fuels one of America's most promising mountain runners? Listen now to hear her full story, from eating udon daily in Japan to finding herself on the start list with some of the world's best ultra athletes.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's time.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, we are live.
(01:04):
Ruby Lindquist.
Welcome back to the Steep Stuffpodcast.
How's it going?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Thank you, it's awesome.
It's great to be here, yeahexcited to have you back.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Since we last talked I mean we talked like in the
spring, late winter spring yeah,things have changed for you big
time.
You've had a great finish atbroken arrow.
You got selected for the worldtrail team, which is nuts for
team usa.
You won cirque series, alyaskalike you've had quite an amazing
season so far.
How does uh, how's it feelinglike?
(01:36):
How are you feeling at thispoint in your, in your season?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
it feels really good.
I'm really happy for how theraces have gone and how my body
has felt, and I wouldn't say Iexpected it to feel as good as
it has so far.
So that's always a really nicesurprise when things are going
your way and I've been reallylucky and, yeah, it's been a
(02:03):
great year.
I'm really excited too forworlds coming up here soon.
That's gonna be a great showingof people and just a great team
we have going.
So, yeah, it's been an awesomeyear yeah, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, we'll get into each and every little piece.
We'll talk about some of theraces as well, like we'll
probably get into broken arrowand stuff like that.
But first and foremost, like Iknow you said, it feels good
Like you're.
You're feeling good as anathlete.
How has it affected?
Like confidence wise, like areyou on the like on the moon
right now?
Like like just knowing, likeconfident wise, like that you're
going to compete for team USAin the short trail, like in the
(02:38):
marathon distance, like I wouldbe like, holy shit, this is
amazing.
What is that feeling like?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It did give me a lot of maybe not a lot of confidence
.
It didn't give me theconfidence, but it gave me a
confidence boost.
I think the past year or soI've been training really,
really hard and working really,really hard and I knew that.
I kind of just knew at the backof my mind that I could do
something like this as long asthings kind of went my way.
(03:09):
You know, you have sicknessesthat you have to deal with
sometimes or little things thatget thrown your way that you
don't expect, but I, I thinkthat the US Team USA, has just
been, I don't know.
It's pretty amazing and it'ssurreal and I'm really lucky.
And it's also that culminationof you know what I'm doing is
working and I'm really happy forthat and I'm seeing results now
(03:33):
and, yeah, it has given me, youknow, a bit of a confidence
boost for sure.
So it's like you know what I'mdoing is working for me and
hopefully that continues tohappen in the next few years.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
So big time, big time .
What is it like?
I mean, I think it's somethingof a testament to just like how
amazing the Alaskan mountainrunning community is.
Like it's not just yourself,but Trayson and Claire also are
going to be on the team as well,like David.
Norris, like quite a fewAlaskans, um are on.
This isn't that crazy like.
(04:07):
Do you think that's?
Do you think there's somethingto that?
Like in the sense where, likeAlaska has just really come on
the scene in the last few years,where the athletes are just so
much better than they have everbeen, or do you think it's
Alaskans more just taking stabsat these races in the lower 48
to compete against others?
What do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I think it's in part, a lot of these races are.
It's the type of terrain thatwe run on growing up and we're
really pretty good at it.
Clearly, you know you haveTracyn and Claire and they grew
up running these trails andDavid as well.
Yeah, it's really cool and Ithink it's especially exciting
because the world's course is nojoke.
(04:49):
It's very steep and I thinkit's going to really play to our
strengths a lot, those of uscoming from Alaska.
So that's really exciting thatwe have that group going.
And, yeah, I think that was oneof the reasons I really wanted
to go.
I said I have to make this teambecause this course is my kind
(05:11):
of course.
This is the course for me and Iwanted to do it so bad.
So the fact that I get to gothere and really run this course
hard is really exciting for meand, I'm sure, exciting for them
as well, that's so cool Like Isaid, special time for the
Alaskans and I think it's justthe beginning.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
It's the beginning.
We're going to see so many moreI just had Michael Earnhardt on
the podcast as well and so manyup and comers that people have
maybe not even heard of.
That are just so much talentcoming out of that state, which
is pretty cool.
So so your, your coach, uh,rick Floyd not just yourself,
(05:51):
but he's got Jane and a fewothers that are going to be
racing, uh, different distancesin worlds.
I know Jane will be on the teamwith you, helen's going to be
on the.
No, helen's going to be on theteam with you as well, right,
yeah, yeah, that's kind of crazythat, like he has so many
athletes, um, you know, kind ofracing these, raising the
distances, so has he?
Have you guys adjusted yourtraining at all for this
particular type of race?
Like, has anything changed inyour training?
(06:12):
Like, how has that kind ofevolved?
And since?
Broken arrow, if you will.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I, we've been trying to focus a lot more on getting
as much vert as possible.
The course is pretty crazy.
It has almost 12,000 feet ofvert as far as I can remember.
So just trying to incorporate alot of that and also
incorporating downhill runningtoo, because there's going to be
(06:38):
a lot of downhill that comeswith that, and then technical
running as well.
So just trying to have reallylong days out, not necessarily
fast per se, but just long dayson feet, just being out there
for a while and trying to get asmuch vert as possible, I think
is going to be really helpfulfor this course.
But other than that, not a lothas changed.
(07:01):
I think it's been a really areally nice for my training, at
least a really nice steady yearfor me, and that I'm not really
adding or taking away anythingsignificant, it's just been very
steady.
Um.
So it feels it feels like it'sit's going really well and it'll
add up really nicely for therace.
Very cool, very cool.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Uh, before you and I like last time we had spoken, it
was just before you had goneout to Japan for the Mount Fuji
70 the race.
Very cool, Very cool Before youand I, like last time we had
spoken, it was just before youhad gone out to Japan for the
Mount Fuji 70K race.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So you had a great result there.
What was that experience like?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Fuji was incredible.
I, as soon as it was over, Iwas just thinking I want to go
back, I think, and I hadfinished just a couple of
minutes ahead of me and I'dreally, really wanted to win
that race.
I was so close, uh, so that was, but I mean, the fact that I
got second to her was pretty.
(07:56):
I was happy with that, and weate udon and ramen like every
single day leading up to thatrace, which was killer.
It just it was an amazingexperience.
Mount Fuji was beautiful.
We got kind of the last fewdays of the cherry blossoms
really.
But yeah, my immediate reactionafter that race was I just want
(08:18):
to come back.
I think I'm going to want tocome back, maybe not next year,
but soon, and try to do it againand nail it again.
And I think that the Japanesepeople there were so many of
them doing the hundred mile raceand they just do this because
they have this work ethic andthis grind, that they just want
to do something hard and finishit.
(08:38):
They have this thing about them.
They just have to, you know, towork really hard and that was
really inspiring to see.
You know, I'm out here racingfor a professional team and
they're out here grinding fortwo days trying to finish this
race.
It was just.
It was a really expired,inspiring thing to see.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Wow, yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Everyone should go do that race.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I've heard, just like so many amazing things about
Japan in general.
Like, just just like, not justthe food scene but just the
culture in general, the thingsto see, but particularly I've
heard the food is off the chain,like yeah, it's insane.
I heard even the 7-Eleven isdope there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
We were at 7-Eleven two times a day, every day.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So cool.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
No joke.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, yeah, no, I heard like oh, oh yeah, there's
all kinds of good stuff, um,yeah, yeah.
So after that you got first it.
Uh, wasn't, no, it was it mighthave been before, uh you went
to big alta, had a great race atbig alta as well yeah, that was
the opener.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I think that was in.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
It's a march, april, march it must have been march,
yeah, uh, which was another likesuper competitive race, like it
seems like that everybody'sshirt like turns out for that.
Um, as far as early season goes.
So you've kind of, like I said,just kind of assimilated and
big on a bit on a tear sincethen.
I do want to dive into brokenarrow though.
Your sixth place finish therejust off of I mean, you were
(09:56):
just a few places shy of makingthe team as an auto qualifier
for there.
Um, let's get into that raceand talk about it.
Just because you you live inTruckee, you train in Truckee,
obviously that must have been avery special opportunity for you
and probably the mostcompetitive 50K ever assembled
on American soil.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I try not to dig too deep into pre-race rosters
sometimes because I think thatit tends to make me a little
just overly nervous.
I think when you can see namesthat you know you're like wow,
these people have done someincredible things and this race
(10:38):
is going to hurt really, reallyhard.
And I went to pick up my bibthe day before and I was there
for maybe 10 minutes and I saidI got to get out of here, I got
to go home and go chill againbecause just the environment was
ecstatic.
Everyone is just, you know,everyone's different pre-race.
But I was very much just tryingto, you know, be calm and
collected and because I knewthat you know, whether I have a
(11:04):
not so great day or whether Ihave a good day, this race I'm
going to have to grind as hardas I possibly can, because this
is the US selection race and mygoal is to make that team Right.
So whether you go into thatrace feeling your best or not
your best, you kind of just haveto grind it.
(11:25):
So that was my mentality aboutit and you know, I just tried to
be as prepared as possible andsay, even if I don't have my
best day, I know that I canstill have an okay day.
It's like when you're notfeeling great and you have a
long run, you still can go outand get it done right, Even if
you're not feeling at the top atyour best.
(11:47):
So that was my mentality andunfortunately I did not feel
great during that race at all.
Even from the very start I justkind of felt laggy and tired
and I didn't feel like I hadmuch of a kind of a pop to my
step at all.
So for five, almost five hoursit was a grind.
(12:07):
It was a grind for me, um, butI just tried to stay in it and I
tend to do pretty good at thedownhills, so I was taking
advantage of that when I could,especially the downhill coming
back down into the village is.
It's a beautiful downhill,it's's really long, so you can
kind of cover a lot of timethere.
(12:28):
So yeah, it was an unbelievableexperience.
I think, like I said, justknowing how many girls were
there that have you know topthree podiums at UTMB, just huge
names.
It was amazing to race withthose girls and for all of us to
(12:48):
be so competitive the wholetime.
It was a really cool thing tobe a part of that day.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I got to ask you this .
So one of the things that Istruggle with in the sport, like
particularly in my own racing,is if I'm falling short of my
goal and I know that my ownracing is if I'm falling short
of my goal, and I know that it'svery hard for me mentally to
stay with it, how do you, howdid you deal with that in the
race, Like if you obviously your.
Your goal going into this raceis either get selected or
probably win or get on thepodium I would have met.
(13:16):
Imagine if you're just outsideof that or not feeling that
great in a race.
How are you able to, like,gather yourself mentally and
stay, like stay within it andnot give up?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It's hard because you do want to give up.
But I think for me, you know, II trained through a lot of this
.
Yeah, I train a lot feeling notgreat, and I know that I can
get through that training.
And also on race day, you knowyou're there and this is a test
(13:51):
of what you can do, and when youstart to feel really bad, you
just kind of have to passthrough it.
I don't know any better way tolike you feel this awful feeling
and you just have to pass rightthrough it and somehow, when
you get through it, or whenyou're really feeling it, you
just there's.
I don't know.
(14:11):
It's hard to explain, but youjust have to accept that it's
going to be super painful.
It's like, unless you justaccept that that pain is
happening, you're going to'regoing to have a really, really
awful, awful time.
Uh, for me anyways.
And so that's how I viewedbroken arrow.
It's like, okay, I feel notgreat, things aren't
(14:34):
particularly going my way, butI'm just gonna, you know, walk
straight through this door andjust accept that this is
happening and this is the wayit's going to be, and try to
just just grind through, becausethat is your opportunity to
make, you know, compete on aworld stage and I wanted that in
(14:54):
the end more than I cared abouthurting that day.
So yeah, it's a tough thing.
I think over time you just kindof get more and more used to it,
but yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I always love following the mental process and
saying like, okay, some folksdo give up.
It's very common, especially onthe elite end.
If the race isn't goingsomeone's way, it's like well,
like well, I'm just gonna savethis for another day.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
But it's amazing to see someone grind through and,
you know, still come to a top 10finish and you know, like I
said, such a competitive race,yeah that race was ticked like
that not terrifying I was gonnasay it was terrifying, but it
was exciting because any of thetop 20 girls right could have
been in that top 10, top fiveeven on a good day.
(15:39):
And that is that I.
I don't know if I've ever raceda race in the us that was that
deep, where you have girls youknow that don't really have big
names and you haven't reallyheard of them, but they are, you
know, up in the top and that'sjust really inspiring to see how
far we've come in trail.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
You've only been in the sport for a few years but
like you've must have seen it.
It's crazy how competitive it'sgotten like just in the last
few years.
It's kind of gotten just crazyand it's only getting crazier as
more like track and fieldathletes and athletes from like
various sports kind of enter andkind of try their hand on it.
Let me ask you this the raceitself, how did it play out for
(16:19):
you?
Were you in no man's land for agood chunk of it?
Were you battling with otherladies?
Were you in a higher positionafter the first lap and then
dropped down or dropped up?
Like how did?
How did the race kind of unfoldfor you?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I started I knew we were going to go out pretty hard
and I wanted to be in the topfive, top 10.
And I started, I think, in thetop five and when we got it was
almost to the ladder.
I was just feeling horrible andI started to get passed.
At that point I think Jane wasthe first one who passed me at
(16:52):
the top of the ladder.
I said, damn, jane is lookingstrong, she looks really good
right now.
You know, try to keep up withher.
Let's like work together.
And then I just started gettingpassed.
And that is so hard mentallywhen you're already feeling bad
and you want this result andgirls are passing you.
(17:13):
And it took me, you know.
I just, maybe a little bit inmy mind, was kind of giving up
like, uh, at this point I'm in.
I think at one point I was ineighth or ninth place and just
going through it.
Um, and then I actually saw mycoach, rick um, headed back up
towards KT and he said you know,use this downhill, you can use
(17:35):
this downhill.
And that's what I did.
And on the downhill the lastdownhill to the village I caught
I think I caught up to at leasta couple of girls and I ripped
it really hard I was, yeah, ithurt, but it was really.
It's what I needed.
My goal was top five, of course, and six isn't far from that,
(17:57):
so I was pretty satisfied withhow that turned out.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
When you finished, was it more just the relation of
what you just did?
Were you disappointed becauseyou were right there?
Like, what was the mix ofemotions?
Because I feel like it's one ofthose ones where, yeah, you
might have not gotten the exactgoal, but I would still have
been so damn proud, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I was really.
I was proud of myself,especially given the day that I
got handed.
I mean, I wasn't at my best, Ifelt I just wasn't, for whatever
reason, just wasn't feelinggreat.
But it was also nerve-wrackingbecause I knew, you know, sixth
place, I have a chance at TeamUSA.
And that was, you know, sixthplace, I have a chance at Team
USA.
And that was, you know, I wasreally excited, but I was also,
(18:46):
you know, kind of pulled twodirections, it's like.
It's like 50-50 at this point.
Am I going to make it, am I not?
And I was.
I wanted to make Team USA sobad that that was that was.
The hardest part for me waswaiting, waiting and waiting to
just hear, because I wanted itso bad.
I knew I was so close.
But yeah, I was satisfied withsixth.
I think that that was good forthat day.
(19:06):
And of course, you always wantmore, but there's time for that
and there are always more racesand more Broken Arrow.
It'll always be there, so true.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
So true.
So you, I'm trying to rememberthe application, the application
you apply.
I just can't remember this.
Did you apply before and thenBroken Arrow happened, and then
you found out after, or did youhave Broken?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Arrow, then apply and then find out.
So I think the applicationperiod ended either right before
or after Broken Arrow.
So I had already put in myresume and whatnot, but then I
updated it after Broken Arrow toreflect the Broken Arrow result
.
But yes, I think that it wentshortly from what?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
the understanding was , and Noah as well.
The broken arrow was definitelyprobably heavily weighed into.
It is what it seemed like.
That was definitely the, whichis great.
I'm glad they did that, becauseyou know any person that was
like on the bubble or just soclose, like it was, just you
know we just that was theselection race, that was the one
to do it, so it just it makesmore sense.
(20:13):
How did it feel when you gotselected?
Like were you?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
on cloud nine where you're like, oh man, now I got
to really train.
Like what was the?
What was those emotions?
Like I was stoked.
I got a call.
I was, yeah, I was hanging out.
And I got a call and I said, ohmy gosh, I think this might be
the call, whether they tell me Imade it or not.
And they told me that I'd beenselected and it was just very
satisfying and also what anamazing opportunity.
(20:45):
To go out and train andcontinue what I'm doing and just
race really hard on a worldstage is what I've wanted to do,
for I've wanted to do this foryears and I think two years ago
I was a fifth place at thebreakneck trail marathon, so a
couple spots out, and you know,I've always been kind of just
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like a couple spots out, acouple spots out.
So it was just a verysatisfying moment and knowing
that I'd I'd kind of reachedthat goal that I had and now,
okay, let's take it and let'srun with it and prepare as best
we can.
So very cool, it's been reallyexciting.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
How does?
How do you adjust that?
Like, how do you put yourexpectations forth for a race
like this?
Like what?
What are your expectations?
Is it to metal with, you know,with the other team?
Is it to do as well as theother ladies?
Like, how do you cause it's ateam based event, kind of like?
Obviously the goal is to win,but what are your expectations
for it?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I think this race just really forces me to be
super dialed in what mypreparation is and how my
training will be.
Leading up to this point,working with a nutritionist
actually a fuel lab here inTruckee, which has helped me
really dial my race nutritionpre-race, you know, during race
(22:01):
and that that has helped me alot and there's so much that I
was missing there.
And then working with astrength trainer and I just
think that all these littlethings that I've been kind of
adding into my training are whatare going to help me perform my
best at Worlds.
And so I've been trying tofocus on little details that I
(22:22):
haven't really been focusing onbefore, because I see almost
immediate results from those.
And yeah, just working with mycoach to dial things and see how
I'm feeling on a day-to-daybasis is important too.
But yeah, it's been an excitingbuild and I've had some pretty
long weeks, really some of thelongest training weeks that I've
(22:45):
ever had, and it's reallysatisfying.
And it's almost time to taperit back and that's also exciting
because I've been pretty tired.
But yeah, I'm really, reallyexcited.
It's not that far away now.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Just a couple of weeks now.
Yeah, let's talk about thenutritionist aspect.
This is something I've beenexploring personally for myself
and, um, like, it's amazing,like when you get right the like
I just did a sweat test,starting to like figure out the
nutrition aspect of it as well.
And it's like amazing when younail the right milligrams of
sodium before a race you'resupposed to have and just like
little things like that.
How has it helped you?
(23:19):
Just like, like what have youhad needed the most help with
and like what has changed themost for you?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, and I think I've had some nutrition
challenges in the past duringlonger races just cramping and
some major stomach issues.
And I also took a sweat testand you know, come to find I'm a
very low salty sweater.
And last year during the quaddipsy, I was taking like a
thousand milligrams of salt anhour.
(23:48):
And just these little thingslike that, you know you would
you hear people talk about, youknow, really high carb, a lot of
salt, do this, do this, do this.
But what I've come to realizeis everybody is so different.
Everyone's body processesthings differently and you know
what works for one personcertainly probably isn't going
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to work the same for you.
You know the chances of thatare not high.
So just getting a professionalto step in and help me really
dial what works for me has beena huge help and I've been
practicing it during long runsand stuff.
That's important.
But just knowing that I'm goingto go in with a nutrition plan
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that is catered to me and what Ineed and what my body needs, is
really important.
I think it's going to beimportant not only for this race
but for all the races that Ihave in the future.
Once you go over three or fourhours.
You know it gets prettyimportant to dial that stuff in.
(24:59):
So testing what works and whatdoesn't, that can take a long
time, a lot of trial and error,when you know she's a
professional and she can justlook at this spreadsheet and
look at this data and say thisis why this isn't working, this
is what's going to work better,and you have that.
It's just a much more efficientway to to go prepared into
(25:21):
these races instead of, like thepast few years, like, oh, maybe
I'll eat this salt tablet shoe,oh, I'm choking on it.
Oops, you know, that was kindof my.
I ran the route a couple ofyears ago and I was eating just
like salt tablets it was.
It's crazy how far, how muchyou can learn in a short period
of time when it's trial anderror.
But yeah, it's just reallyhelpful to dial those things in,
(25:43):
especially for big races likethis.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, that's amazing, amazing.
Yeah, it's, it's.
I can't wait to see, like formyself, what it does.
But like, yeah, it's just in ashort period of time.
I'm like, oh, that's the amountof milligrams that that really
works, sodium wise.
I'm like, you know, it's justlike, yeah, stupid little things
.
It's like once you tighten thatup, it really does make a huge
difference.
Yeah, good for you.
Uh, you were in Alaska for alittle bit.
Ran Cirque Series Alyaskaabsolutely destroyed that course
, had a wonderful day out.
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Did you spend a good amount oftime training out there for
Worlds at all, or did you domost of your?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
block in the Truckee area.
I've done most of my block herein Truckee.
I went to Alaska for 10 days orso.
I haven't done a race in Alaskafor a few years and seeing that
community again and my friendsand people that I haven't seen
in a long time was really,really special.
And also winning that race wasreally special for me.
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That's arguably one of my morefavorite races in Alaska and
I've wanted to win it for awhile and so to go and win it
and to feel as good as I did itwas was really happy about that.
But yeah, most of my traininghas been here in Truckee.
Um, we have, I'd say, alaska.
(26:58):
You just get way more vert veryquickly.
So that's been.
Kind of.
The struggle here is you haveto drive to get a lot of vert
and be out there for a while,but in it's 4,000 feet, in like
three miles, you can just crushthe vert all day, every day
crush it.
So yeah, it was great to behome.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
That's crazy, yeah, so on the topic of Truckee, I
don't want to go too far backinto Broken Arrow, but I did
forget a question that I meantto ask you.
Leading into Broken Arrow didyou play on the course at all?
Did you learn every inch ofthat loop?
Leading into Broken Arrow didyou play on the course at all?
Did you learn every?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
inch of that loop.
I was on it a couple times.
I kind of wish I'd been on itmore, but I ran it through.
I think I ran it fully throughonce.
So maybe if I run it again I'llbe out there a little bit more,
but I run out there quite oftenanyways, it's like one of my
favorite places to run, so Iknew it pretty well.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It's beautiful, yeah, do you find yourself
gravitating more to like the skiresorts out there, like when it
comes to running, or are youmore just like on the single
track playing Cause I feel likeit's just like Candyland.
There's just so much to do outthere.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
There really is a little bit of everything, cause
you can go towards South Lakeand get into Desolation,
wilderness and that's.
You know you can have some.
There's a seven, it's calledthe Seven Summits, but there's
this route and it's very, verytechnical, very, you know,
almost rock climbing, super slowmoving, you know you have stuff
like that, and then you have,like you said, the single track
(28:26):
really fast, and then BrokenArrow, which is the combination
of everything and, yeah, I thinkit's nice to throw in a bit of
a bit of all of it together.
Yeah, yeah, keep thingsinteresting.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
So I'm pretty close with the people on the classic
team.
I don't know too many like Iknow, like some of you guys on
the marathon team, like shorttrail, I should say mountain
classic team it was kind of cool, was able to get to well, I
should say mountain classic teamplus noah um was able to get
together to do like a littlecamp, like a mini camp in
(29:00):
colorado a few months, maybe,about a month ago, maybe three
weeks.
Um, how's the marathon team?
Have you guys tried tocoordinate anything, because I
know helen doesn't live too farfrom you?
Have you guys been able tocoordinate to train at all?
I know some of the teams havebeen doing that or has it been
just kind of like on your own?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
It feels like most of us have kind of been on our own
.
I think that quite a few of usare going early to Spain and the
plan is to meet up and rent acar and we'll go train together
for the week that we have beforethe race, and so that'll be
kind of our first time alltogether and training and, you
(29:37):
know, dialing these thingstogether, which is going to be
really exciting.
Um, but yeah, I really haven'tconnected with many of them
since broken arrow, so it'll becool to see everybody again.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Nice, yeah, super cool, are you?
Uh, as far as like, nervesgoing into this race and I
always get nervous on startlines is this like, are you
nervous for this one?
Like, will you be?
Like, do you like, did you havenerves on broken arrow?
I know this is kind of a weirdquestion, but like I'm just
always so curious because somepeople are cool as cucumbers.
I'm like, how are you thatrelaxed, like I can't be that
way.
How are you that relaxed, likeI?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
can't be that way.
I think that, yes, definitely,I think nerves are a sign that
you care, and but I try, when Istart to get really nervous, I
try to turn it and think youknow, this is really exciting
and this is a great opportunity.
So whenever I feel those nerves, I try to think to myself to
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not get overly nervous and treatthis as you know, this is an
exciting opportunity.
Because if I just think, oh,I'm so nervous, I'm so nervous,
I just it's a downhill slope forme and, coming from track and
field and cross country, youknow you deal with that like
every week, these crazy nerves,and I think the more that you
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deal with them, you just kind offind your own way to to deal
with them and try to to makethem positive in whatever way
you can.
So, yes, for sure I am nervous,but that's good I think it's a
healthy thing.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
everybody, yeah, um, I read this really good article.
Uh, it was like a local articleabout you.
I think it was like one of thelocal Alaska magazines or
newspapers had written about youand you stated like one of your
goals was to do the big loop atUTMB.
Yeah, is that like your bigoverarching goal for the sport?
Like one day?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
one day, Maybe not my biggest goal, but I for sure
want to do that loop.
I backpacked it last year andit's an amazing loop and I think
getting to a point where I canfeel fit and compete and race
UTMB.
I would love to be able to dothat one day and to do it to the
best of my ability, Ideally.
You know, in the top there is ahuge goal one day.
It's exciting for me because Ilook at the rosters sometimes
(31:53):
and I look at the ages of theseladies and they're in their
mid-30s, early 30s.
I just think I have so muchtime to do these things and
that's really exciting.
It's just very inspiring to see, you know, these women in their
mid thirties crushing everybody.
Um, yeah, it's, it's cool tosee that longevity in the sport.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
It's amazing.
How has, like obviously I justkind of brought that goal up
Obviously worlds is a goal, orwas a goal, and now you'll get
to go do that.
How do you, how are you goingto adjust your goals moving
forward?
Like, what is next for youafter this?
Like, is it going to be?
Like all right, I just did thatLike, oh, like, what's like
what?
What do you think is going tobe part of 2026?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I haven't really thought about that yet.
I'm probably going to race a.
Well, I am.
I'm planning to race a UTMBrace in November, the.
There's one near Santa Barbara,the Pacific Trails, that I'll
probably jump into to try toqualify for OCC next year.
So I'd love to jump into OCC orCCC, whatever I can, there next
year.
But yeah, I was thinking aboutthat the other day.
(33:00):
I don't really know, I haven'tthought about it.
I think I'll take it one stepat a time and have a good race
at Worlds, ideally, and then,after this season, kind of sit
back and reevaluate.
But that's something I haven'treally thought about yet.
I do think that qualifying andmaking this Worlds team is a
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step in a good direction and Ithink for a lot of people this
is a dream, and for me it is too.
But also, okay, I've reachedthis goal that I have and that's
just kind of building thismomentum towards other things
that I want to do, and so I'mreally satisfied to have made it
.
But also, you know, this is agood way to propel myself into,
(33:44):
you know, I know I can do this.
Okay, what's the next big thing?
What's the next big thing?
I don't think I'll ever hit apoint in my career where I'll
say I'm satisfied and I'm done.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I don't think that that's it's not the way that I I
work.
So, yeah, what's your what's?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
your why, like why, why do you do this?
You know I just I really enjoybeing outside.
I like being out for a reallylong time out, six-hour days
where you're scrambling aroundon ridges and also just being
joyful about that.
That's why I do this.
And I think that thecompetition too.
(34:25):
I'm a very competitive personand I love it.
I love the competition and Ireally love the process of
working really, really hardevery day.
It gives you a good routine andI think all those things
together are kind of why.
And also, you know, there aregirls sometimes in my DMs, young
girls who are like you know, Isee what you're doing and this
(34:47):
is awesome and one day I want tobe like you.
Or one of my co-workers'daughters sent me a message on
my birthday that was like I wantto be like you and I wish I was
like you and I'm really gladthat I know you and stuff like
that.
When people start saying thosethings to you, you know you're
doing something right, likeyou're inspiring kind of the
(35:07):
next generation coming up andyou're setting the standard and
the bar for what's possible nowand they're just going to come
up and they're going to push itout of the park.
But I think, being a part ofthis new era of you know, trail
running is growing so fast andit's cool to be more at the
start of it and, yeah, to beinspiring to a young kid growing
(35:29):
up who looks at you and says Iwant to do that, that's pretty
special.
So that's a lot of the why yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
That's amazing, wow.
Do you feel like a sense nowthat, like once you get those
messages, do you feel like asense of responsibility to just
be as professional as possibleand as good of a role model as
possible for some of these youngfolks that look up to you?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yes, but also try to show that this is fun.
This is a really fun thing thatwe do.
It doesn't have to be allcompetition all the time.
The reason why we do this is tobe outside, and you know, I try
to remind them.
You know, this is, this is fun.
(36:13):
Be active, you know.
Go out and bike or go out andrun and enjoy yourself out there
.
I think that's the biggestthing that I want to share is,
you know, keep it fun.
Don't make it too, tooaggressive to where you're, I
don't know, not having funanymore.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, no, I think it's really like.
The reason I ask is because Italked to a lot of folks that
are in either a similar positionto you or in the same exact
position and I always ask thefun, the F, the F word, like are
you having fun?
Do you enjoy this still?
Because I think it's reallyeasy for athletes to get so
caught up in I don't know like.
You have your training regimen.
You know what you got to nail.
(36:51):
You have to hit those workouts.
You have to do X, y, z like youhave to.
You know the formula if youwill, and it just becomes
routine after a while.
But if you're not having funwith it, then you're not going
to have that magic on race dayand it's not going to feel as
exciting as it should.
Are you still being able tolike strike that balance and
still find the fun in yourtraining and getting out and
just enjoying what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, I definitely have to mix it with.
You know, I have really reallyhard, long days and I'm not
having fun at all and it'sreally painful and I'm miserable
.
Bike or I'll go and I'll ski,or you know I'll go and I'll
(37:33):
just have you know, go do thisrun and be out there however
long you want to be out there,or go run for an hour, doesn't
matter where, just maybe halfthe time I'm walking during that
run, who knows.
But being able to incorporatethis kind of balance of I'm
going to do today what I want todo, not what I have to do, I
think that that's really helpedme and also my coaches really,
(37:55):
really helped me kind of figureout the right training for that.
It's like you know, you can'tjust go out and wander around
all the time.
I think it's important for meto have really hard workouts and
those are, those are fun too.
Sometimes you know you do areally hard workout and like, oh
wow, that that was, that wasgreat and it's addicting in that
(38:16):
way.
I think I'm really justaddicted to the process of all
of it.
You know, I really love to workreally hard, but I also really
love to go dink around in themountains for eight, 10 hours
and have no plan Um.
So I think being able to doboth is important um for my
longevity anyways, I've noticedit's important to do both yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Do you find, like I like to hide in the process,
like I really find that likewhen I say hide, I mean like
it's really easy to get caughtup in a training block and just,
you know, focus on the nuts andbolts of it, and just I don't
know, when you're just doing X,y and Z and really caught up in
it and excited about it, it's,it's easy to not think about the
race, if you will.
Do you like more of thetraining block or do you like
(38:58):
more of the race day?
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I don't know.
You know, I really like both.
The racing is just this.
I hear people say this all thetime, but it's so true.
It is just this.
I hear people say this all thetime, but it's so true.
It is really this celebrationof like the culmination of all
that hard work that you've putin, and that is something really
special, where you can get torace day and you know if you
have a really good race and itgoes really well and you're
(39:25):
super stoked.
It's just a reflection oneverything you've done up to
that point.
So I think that they, I thinkthat they go hand in hand.
Um, yeah, racing is really fun,but yeah, the train, I don't
know.
I can't pick a side there.
They're both great.
Yeah, I love the training and Ialso love the racing.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, You're young enough to where there's a
possibility that if we everbecome an Olympic sport like,
you'll still be around, like inthe sense of a professional
athlete like do you want it tobecome an Olympic sport?
Like what do you?
What do you want to happen?
What do you want to see as anathlete in the sport?
Like where do you want to seethis in 10 or 15 years?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I think it could be really cool.
I think I do think that we'llprobably eventually have
something in the Olympics, youknow, whether it be more golden
trail style races that are a bitshorter, faster, or.
But you know, I don't know.
I think a lot of people reallylike to go out and run their
local trail races with theircommunity.
(40:24):
Maybe it's 10 people, maybeit's 10,000.
I don't know, it doesn't matter.
I think that that's somethingthat I hope that we never lose
sight of is this communityaspect of trail running and what
it does for the community.
And I think it'd be awesome tobring the sport to the Olympics.
But I just hope that wewouldn't lose and I don't think
(40:45):
we would lose it, but lose thiscommunity vibe and what
everybody likes, like the cirqueseries is a great example of it
.
You know you have everybody outthere and everyone's having so
much fun and that is what thissport is all about is that
community aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
So yeah, it's interesting to me because, like
you, come from a place in alaskawhere, like the mountain
running community, the communityaspect of it is probably the
strongest out of maybe anywherein the entire country, like
rivaling a lot of places inEurope.
Yeah, so you think both can.
I think I personally, I'm I'man optimist, so I think both can
coexist, like I don't.
(41:21):
I don't see a world where onehas to eclipse the other, like I
think it's still very much asoul sport, where you see
surfing and skateboarding andeven climbing, like yes, there's
the olympic discipline, but therest of the sport still moves
on and does its thing, you knowyeah, exactly, I think that's
exactly how it's gonna go yeahyeah, it's a great way to put it
(41:42):
interesting, very cool.
Well, honestly, I think this wasa good one.
It's a good place to keep itall.
I think this is a good place tostop it and we'll catch up
after Worlds.
Yeah, ruby, I'm such a fan.
I'm wishing you such like thebest of luck.
I can't wait to see what you doon race day, and I hope you
have an amazing time and it'sjust a great experience for you.
So wish you the best, thank you, thank you.
It's time.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, we are live.
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Ruby Lindquist.
Welcome back to the Steep Stuffpodcast.
How's it going?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Thank you, it's awesome.
It's great to be here, yeahexcited to have you back.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Since we last talked I mean we talked like in the
spring, late winter spring yeah,things have changed for you big
time.
You've had a great finish atbroken arrow.
You got selected for the worldtrail team, which is nuts for
team usa.
You won cirque series, alyaskalike you've had quite an amazing
season so far.
How does uh, how's it feelinglike?
(01:36):
How are you feeling at thispoint in your, in your season?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
it feels really good.
I'm really happy for how theraces have gone and how my body
has felt, and I wouldn't say Iexpected it to feel as good as
it has so far.
So that's always a really nicesurprise when things are going
your way and I've been reallylucky and, yeah, it's been a
(02:03):
great year.
I'm really excited too forworlds coming up here soon.
That's gonna be a great showingof people and just a great team
we have going.
So, yeah, it's been an awesomeyear yeah, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, we'll get into each and every little piece.
We'll talk about some of theraces as well, like we'll
probably get into broken arrowand stuff like that.
But first and foremost, like Iknow you said, it feels good
Like you're.
You're feeling good as anathlete.
How has it affected?
Like confidence wise, like areyou on the like on the moon
right now?
Like like just knowing, likeconfident wise, like that you're
going to compete for team USAin the short trail, like in the
(02:38):
marathon distance, like I wouldbe like, holy shit, this is
amazing.
What is that feeling like?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It did give me a lot of maybe not a lot of confidence
.
It didn't give me theconfidence, but it gave me a
confidence boost.
I think the past year or soI've been training really,
really hard and working really,really hard and I knew that.
I kind of just knew at the backof my mind that I could do
something like this as long asthings kind of went my way.
(03:09):
You know, you have sicknessesthat you have to deal with
sometimes or little things thatget thrown your way that you
don't expect, but I, I thinkthat the US Team USA, has just
been, I don't know.
It's pretty amazing and it'ssurreal and I'm really lucky.
And it's also that culminationof you know what I'm doing is
working and I'm really happy forthat and I'm seeing results now
(03:33):
and, yeah, it has given me, youknow, a bit of a confidence
boost for sure.
So it's like you know what I'mdoing is working for me and
hopefully that continues tohappen in the next few years.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
So big time, big time .
What is it like?
I mean, I think it's somethingof a testament to just like how
amazing the Alaskan mountainrunning community is.
Like it's not just yourself,but Trayson and Claire also are
going to be on the team as well,like David.
Norris, like quite a fewAlaskans, um are on.
This isn't that crazy like.
(04:07):
Do you think that's?
Do you think there's somethingto that?
Like in the sense where, likeAlaska has just really come on
the scene in the last few years,where the athletes are just so
much better than they have everbeen, or do you think it's
Alaskans more just taking stabsat these races in the lower 48
to compete against others?
What do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I think it's in part, a lot of these races are.
It's the type of terrain thatwe run on growing up and we're
really pretty good at it.
Clearly, you know you haveTracyn and Claire and they grew
up running these trails andDavid as well.
Yeah, it's really cool and Ithink it's especially exciting
because the world's course is nojoke.
(04:49):
It's very steep and I thinkit's going to really play to our
strengths a lot, those of uscoming from Alaska.
So that's really exciting thatwe have that group going.
And, yeah, I think that was oneof the reasons I really wanted
to go.
I said I have to make this teambecause this course is my kind
(05:11):
of course.
This is the course for me and Iwanted to do it so bad.
So the fact that I get to gothere and really run this course
hard is really exciting for meand, I'm sure, exciting for them
as well, that's so cool Like Isaid, special time for the
Alaskans and I think it's justthe beginning.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
It's the beginning.
We're going to see so many moreI just had Michael Earnhardt on
the podcast as well and so manyup and comers that people have
maybe not even heard of.
That are just so much talentcoming out of that state, which
is pretty cool.
So so your, your coach, uh,rick Floyd not just yourself,
(05:51):
but he's got Jane and a fewothers that are going to be
racing, uh, different distancesin worlds.
I know Jane will be on the teamwith you, helen's going to be
on the.
No, helen's going to be on theteam with you as well, right,
yeah, yeah, that's kind of crazythat, like he has so many
athletes, um, you know, kind ofracing these, raising the
distances, so has he?
Have you guys adjusted yourtraining at all for this
particular type of race?
Like, has anything changed inyour training?
(06:12):
Like, how has that kind ofevolved?
And since?
Broken arrow, if you will.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I, we've been trying to focus a lot more on getting
as much vert as possible.
The course is pretty crazy.
It has almost 12,000 feet ofvert as far as I can remember.
So just trying to incorporate alot of that and also
incorporating downhill runningtoo, because there's going to be
(06:38):
a lot of downhill that comeswith that, and then technical
running as well.
So just trying to have reallylong days out, not necessarily
fast per se, but just long dayson feet, just being out there
for a while and trying to get asmuch vert as possible, I think
is going to be really helpfulfor this course.
But other than that, not a lothas changed.
(07:01):
I think it's been a really areally nice for my training, at
least a really nice steady yearfor me, and that I'm not really
adding or taking away anythingsignificant, it's just been very
steady.
Um.
So it feels it feels like it'sit's going really well and it'll
add up really nicely for therace.
Very cool, very cool.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Uh, before you and I like last time we had spoken, it
was just before you had goneout to Japan for the Mount Fuji
70 the race.
Very cool, Very cool Before youand I, like last time we had
spoken, it was just before youhad gone out to Japan for the
Mount Fuji 70K race.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So you had a great result there.
What was that experience like?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Fuji was incredible.
I, as soon as it was over, Iwas just thinking I want to go
back, I think, and I hadfinished just a couple of
minutes ahead of me and I'dreally, really wanted to win
that race.
I was so close, uh, so that was, but I mean, the fact that I
got second to her was pretty.
(07:56):
I was happy with that, and weate udon and ramen like every
single day leading up to thatrace, which was killer.
It just it was an amazingexperience.
Mount Fuji was beautiful.
We got kind of the last fewdays of the cherry blossoms
really.
But yeah, my immediate reactionafter that race was I just want
(08:18):
to come back.
I think I'm going to want tocome back, maybe not next year,
but soon, and try to do it againand nail it again.
And I think that the Japanesepeople there were so many of
them doing the hundred mile raceand they just do this because
they have this work ethic andthis grind, that they just want
to do something hard and finishit.
(08:38):
They have this thing about them.
They just have to, you know, towork really hard and that was
really inspiring to see.
You know, I'm out here racingfor a professional team and
they're out here grinding fortwo days trying to finish this
race.
It was just.
It was a really expired,inspiring thing to see.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Wow, yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Everyone should go do that race.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I've heard, just like so many amazing things about
Japan in general.
Like, just just like, not justthe food scene but just the
culture in general, the thingsto see, but particularly I've
heard the food is off the chain,like yeah, it's insane.
I heard even the 7-Eleven isdope there, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
We were at 7-Eleven two times a day, every day.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So cool.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
No joke.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, yeah, no, I heard like oh, oh yeah, there's
all kinds of good stuff, um,yeah, yeah.
So after that you got first it.
Uh, wasn't, no, it was it mighthave been before, uh you went
to big alta, had a great race atbig alta as well yeah, that was
the opener.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I think that was in.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
It's a march, april, march it must have been march,
yeah, uh, which was another likesuper competitive race, like it
seems like that everybody'sshirt like turns out for that.
Um, as far as early season goes.
So you've kind of, like I said,just kind of assimilated and
big on a bit on a tear sincethen.
I do want to dive into brokenarrow though.
Your sixth place finish therejust off of I mean, you were
(09:56):
just a few places shy of makingthe team as an auto qualifier
for there.
Um, let's get into that raceand talk about it.
Just because you you live inTruckee, you train in Truckee,
obviously that must have been avery special opportunity for you
and probably the mostcompetitive 50K ever assembled
on American soil.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I try not to dig too deep into pre-race rosters
sometimes because I think thatit tends to make me a little
just overly nervous.
I think when you can see namesthat you know you're like wow,
these people have done someincredible things and this race
(10:38):
is going to hurt really, reallyhard.
And I went to pick up my bibthe day before and I was there
for maybe 10 minutes and I saidI got to get out of here, I got
to go home and go chill againbecause just the environment was
ecstatic.
Everyone is just, you know,everyone's different pre-race.
But I was very much just tryingto, you know, be calm and
collected and because I knewthat you know, whether I have a
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not so great day or whether Ihave a good day, this race I'm
going to have to grind as hardas I possibly can, because this
is the US selection race and mygoal is to make that team Right.
So whether you go into thatrace feeling your best or not
your best, you kind of just haveto grind it.
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So that was my mentality aboutit and you know, I just tried to
be as prepared as possible andsay, even if I don't have my
best day, I know that I canstill have an okay day.
It's like when you're notfeeling great and you have a
long run, you still can go outand get it done right, Even if
you're not feeling at the top atyour best.
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So that was my mentality andunfortunately I did not feel
great during that race at all.
Even from the very start I justkind of felt laggy and tired
and I didn't feel like I hadmuch of a kind of a pop to my
step at all.
So for five, almost five hoursit was a grind.
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It was a grind for me, um, butI just tried to stay in it and I
tend to do pretty good at thedownhills, so I was taking
advantage of that when I could,especially the downhill coming
back down into the village is.
It's a beautiful downhill,it's's really long, so you can
kind of cover a lot of timethere.
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So yeah, it was an unbelievableexperience.
I think, like I said, justknowing how many girls were
there that have you know topthree podiums at UTMB, just huge
names.
It was amazing to race withthose girls and for all of us to
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be so competitive the wholetime.
It was a really cool thing tobe a part of that day.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I got to ask you this .
So one of the things that Istruggle with in the sport, like
particularly in my own racing,is if I'm falling short of my
goal and I know that my ownracing is if I'm falling short
of my goal, and I know that it'svery hard for me mentally to
stay with it, how do you, howdid you deal with that in the
race, Like if you obviously your.
Your goal going into this raceis either get selected or
probably win or get on thepodium I would have met.
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Imagine if you're just outsideof that or not feeling that
great in a race.
How are you able to, like,gather yourself mentally and
stay, like stay within it andnot give up?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It's hard because you do want to give up.
But I think for me, you know, II trained through a lot of this
.
Yeah, I train a lot feeling notgreat, and I know that I can
get through that training.
And also on race day, you knowyou're there and this is a test
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of what you can do, and when youstart to feel really bad, you
just kind of have to passthrough it.
I don't know any better way tolike you feel this awful feeling
and you just have to pass rightthrough it and somehow, when
you get through it, or whenyou're really feeling it, you
just there's.
I don't know.
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It's hard to explain, but youjust have to accept that it's
going to be super painful.
It's like, unless you justaccept that that pain is
happening, you're going to'regoing to have a really, really
awful, awful time.
Uh, for me anyways.
And so that's how I viewedbroken arrow.
It's like, okay, I feel notgreat, things aren't
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particularly going my way, butI'm just gonna, you know, walk
straight through this door andjust accept that this is
happening and this is the wayit's going to be, and try to
just just grind through, becausethat is your opportunity to
make, you know, compete on aworld stage and I wanted that in
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the end more than I cared abouthurting that day.
So yeah, it's a tough thing.
I think over time you just kindof get more and more used to it,
but yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I always love following the mental process and
saying like, okay, some folksdo give up.
It's very common, especially onthe elite end.
If the race isn't goingsomeone's way, it's like well,
like well, I'm just gonna savethis for another day.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
But it's amazing to see someone grind through and,
you know, still come to a top 10finish and you know, like I
said, such a competitive race,yeah that race was ticked like
that not terrifying I was gonnasay it was terrifying, but it
was exciting because any of thetop 20 girls right could have
been in that top 10, top fiveeven on a good day.
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And that is that I.
I don't know if I've ever raceda race in the us that was that
deep, where you have girls youknow that don't really have big
names and you haven't reallyheard of them, but they are, you
know, up in the top and that'sjust really inspiring to see how
far we've come in trail.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
You've only been in the sport for a few years but
like you've must have seen it.
It's crazy how competitive it'sgotten like just in the last
few years.
It's kind of gotten just crazyand it's only getting crazier as
more like track and fieldathletes and athletes from like
various sports kind of enter andkind of try their hand on it.
Let me ask you this the raceitself, how did it play out for
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you?
Were you in no man's land for agood chunk of it?
Were you battling with otherladies?
Were you in a higher positionafter the first lap and then
dropped down or dropped up?
Like how did?
How did the race kind of unfoldfor you?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I started I knew we were going to go out pretty hard
and I wanted to be in the topfive, top 10.
And I started, I think, in thetop five and when we got it was
almost to the ladder.
I was just feeling horrible andI started to get passed.
At that point I think Jane wasthe first one who passed me at
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the top of the ladder.
I said, damn, jane is lookingstrong, she looks really good
right now.
You know, try to keep up withher.
Let's like work together.
And then I just started gettingpassed.
And that is so hard mentallywhen you're already feeling bad
and you want this result andgirls are passing you.
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And it took me, you know.
I just, maybe a little bit inmy mind, was kind of giving up
like, uh, at this point I'm in.
I think at one point I was ineighth or ninth place and just
going through it.
Um, and then I actually saw mycoach, rick um, headed back up
towards KT and he said you know,use this downhill, you can use
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this downhill.
And that's what I did.
And on the downhill the lastdownhill to the village I caught
I think I caught up to at leasta couple of girls and I ripped
it really hard I was, yeah, ithurt, but it was really.
It's what I needed.
My goal was top five, of course, and six isn't far from that,
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so I was pretty satisfied withhow that turned out.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
When you finished, was it more just the relation of
what you just did?
Were you disappointed becauseyou were right there?
Like, what was the mix ofemotions?
Because I feel like it's one ofthose ones where, yeah, you
might have not gotten the exactgoal, but I would still have
been so damn proud, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I was really.
I was proud of myself,especially given the day that I
got handed.
I mean, I wasn't at my best, Ifelt I just wasn't, for whatever
reason, just wasn't feelinggreat.
But it was also nerve-wrackingbecause I knew, you know, sixth
place, I have a chance at TeamUSA.
And that was, you know, sixthplace, I have a chance at Team
USA.
And that was, you know, I wasreally excited, but I was also,
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you know, kind of pulled twodirections, it's like.
It's like 50-50 at this point.
Am I going to make it, am I not?
And I was.
I wanted to make Team USA sobad that that was that was.
The hardest part for me waswaiting, waiting and waiting to
just hear, because I wanted itso bad.
I knew I was so close.
But yeah, I was satisfied withsixth.
I think that that was good forthat day.
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And of course, you always wantmore, but there's time for that
and there are always more racesand more Broken Arrow.
It'll always be there, so true.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
So true.
So you, I'm trying to rememberthe application, the application
you apply.
I just can't remember this.
Did you apply before and thenBroken Arrow happened, and then
you found out after, or did youhave Broken?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Arrow, then apply and then find out.
So I think the applicationperiod ended either right before
or after Broken Arrow.
So I had already put in myresume and whatnot, but then I
updated it after Broken Arrow toreflect the Broken Arrow result
.
But yes, I think that it wentshortly from what?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
the understanding was , and Noah as well.
The broken arrow was definitelyprobably heavily weighed into.
It is what it seemed like.
That was definitely the, whichis great.
I'm glad they did that, becauseyou know any person that was
like on the bubble or just soclose, like it was, just you
know we just that was theselection race, that was the one
to do it, so it just it makesmore sense.
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How did it feel when you gotselected?
Like were you?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
on cloud nine where you're like, oh man, now I got
to really train.
Like what was the?
What was those emotions?
Like I was stoked.
I got a call.
I was, yeah, I was hanging out.
And I got a call and I said, ohmy gosh, I think this might be
the call, whether they tell me Imade it or not.
And they told me that I'd beenselected and it was just very
satisfying and also what anamazing opportunity.
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To go out and train andcontinue what I'm doing and just
race really hard on a worldstage is what I've wanted to do,
for I've wanted to do this foryears and I think two years ago
I was a fifth place at thebreakneck trail marathon, so a
couple spots out, and you know,I've always been kind of just
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like a couple spots out, acouple spots out.
So it was just a verysatisfying moment and knowing
that I'd I'd kind of reachedthat goal that I had and now,
okay, let's take it and let'srun with it and prepare as best
we can.
So very cool, it's been reallyexciting.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
How does?
How do you adjust that?
Like, how do you put yourexpectations forth for a race
like this?
Like what?
What are your expectations?
Is it to metal with, you know,with the other team?
Is it to do as well as theother ladies?
Like, how do you cause it's ateam based event, kind of like?
Obviously the goal is to win,but what are your expectations
for it?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I think this race just really forces me to be
super dialed in what mypreparation is and how my
training will be.
Leading up to this point,working with a nutritionist
actually a fuel lab here inTruckee, which has helped me
really dial my race nutritionpre-race, you know, during race
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and that that has helped me alot and there's so much that I
was missing there.
And then working with astrength trainer and I just
think that all these littlethings that I've been kind of
adding into my training are whatare going to help me perform my
best at Worlds.
And so I've been trying tofocus on little details that I
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haven't really been focusing onbefore, because I see almost
immediate results from those.
And yeah, just working with mycoach to dial things and see how
I'm feeling on a day-to-daybasis is important too.
But yeah, it's been an excitingbuild and I've had some pretty
long weeks, really some of thelongest training weeks that I've
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ever had, and it's reallysatisfying.
And it's almost time to taperit back and that's also exciting
because I've been pretty tired.
But yeah, I'm really, reallyexcited.
It's not that far away now.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Just a couple of weeks now.
Yeah, let's talk about thenutritionist aspect.
This is something I've beenexploring personally for myself
and, um, like, it's amazing,like when you get right the like
I just did a sweat test,starting to like figure out the
nutrition aspect of it as well.
And it's like amazing when younail the right milligrams of
sodium before a race you'resupposed to have and just like
little things like that.
How has it helped you?
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Just like, like what have youhad needed the most help with
and like what has changed themost for you?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, and I think I've had some nutrition
challenges in the past duringlonger races just cramping and
some major stomach issues.
And I also took a sweat testand you know, come to find I'm a
very low salty sweater.
And last year during the quaddipsy, I was taking like a
thousand milligrams of salt anhour.
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And just these little thingslike that, you know you would
you hear people talk about, youknow, really high carb, a lot of
salt, do this, do this, do this.
But what I've come to realizeis everybody is so different.
Everyone's body processesthings differently and you know
what works for one personcertainly probably isn't going
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to work the same for you.
You know the chances of thatare not high.
So just getting a professionalto step in and help me really
dial what works for me has beena huge help and I've been
practicing it during long runsand stuff.
That's important.
But just knowing that I'm goingto go in with a nutrition plan
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that is catered to me and what Ineed and what my body needs, is
really important.
I think it's going to beimportant not only for this race
but for all the races that Ihave in the future.
Once you go over three or fourhours.
You know it gets prettyimportant to dial that stuff in.
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So testing what works and whatdoesn't, that can take a long
time, a lot of trial and error,when you know she's a
professional and she can justlook at this spreadsheet and
look at this data and say thisis why this isn't working, this
is what's going to work better,and you have that.
It's just a much more efficientway to to go prepared into
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these races instead of, like thepast few years, like, oh, maybe
I'll eat this salt tablet shoe,oh, I'm choking on it.
Oops, you know, that was kindof my.
I ran the route a couple ofyears ago and I was eating just
like salt tablets it was.
It's crazy how far, how muchyou can learn in a short period
of time when it's trial anderror.
But yeah, it's just reallyhelpful to dial those things in,
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especially for big races likethis.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, that's amazing, amazing.
Yeah, it's, it's.
I can't wait to see, like formyself, what it does.
But like, yeah, it's just in ashort period of time.
I'm like, oh, that's the amountof milligrams that that really
works, sodium wise.
I'm like, you know, it's justlike, yeah, stupid little things
.
It's like once you tighten thatup, it really does make a huge
difference.
Yeah, good for you.
Uh, you were in Alaska for alittle bit.
Ran Cirque Series Alyaskaabsolutely destroyed that course
, had a wonderful day out.
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Did you spend a good amount oftime training out there for
Worlds at all, or did you domost of your?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
block in the Truckee area.
I've done most of my block herein Truckee.
I went to Alaska for 10 days orso.
I haven't done a race in Alaskafor a few years and seeing that
community again and my friendsand people that I haven't seen
in a long time was really,really special.
And also winning that race wasreally special for me.
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That's arguably one of my morefavorite races in Alaska and
I've wanted to win it for awhile and so to go and win it
and to feel as good as I did itwas was really happy about that.
But yeah, most of my traininghas been here in Truckee.
Um, we have, I'd say, alaska.
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You just get way more vert veryquickly.
So that's been.
Kind of.
The struggle here is you haveto drive to get a lot of vert
and be out there for a while,but in it's 4,000 feet, in like
three miles, you can just crushthe vert all day, every day
crush it.
So yeah, it was great to behome.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
That's crazy, yeah, so on the topic of Truckee, I
don't want to go too far backinto Broken Arrow, but I did
forget a question that I meantto ask you.
Leading into Broken Arrow didyou play on the course at all?
Did you learn every inch ofthat loop?
Leading into Broken Arrow didyou play on the course at all?
Did you learn every?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
inch of that loop.
I was on it a couple times.
I kind of wish I'd been on itmore, but I ran it through.
I think I ran it fully throughonce.
So maybe if I run it again I'llbe out there a little bit more,
but I run out there quite oftenanyways, it's like one of my
favorite places to run, so Iknew it pretty well.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It's beautiful, yeah, do you find yourself
gravitating more to like the skiresorts out there, like when it
comes to running, or are youmore just like on the single
track playing Cause I feel likeit's just like Candyland.
There's just so much to do outthere.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
There really is a little bit of everything, cause
you can go towards South Lakeand get into Desolation,
wilderness and that's.
You know you can have some.
There's a seven, it's calledthe Seven Summits, but there's
this route and it's very, verytechnical, very, you know,
almost rock climbing, super slowmoving, you know you have stuff
like that, and then you have,like you said, the single track
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really fast, and then BrokenArrow, which is the combination
of everything and, yeah, I thinkit's nice to throw in a bit of
a bit of all of it together.
Yeah, yeah, keep thingsinteresting.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
So I'm pretty close with the people on the classic
team.
I don't know too many like Iknow, like some of you guys on
the marathon team, like shorttrail, I should say mountain
classic team it was kind of cool, was able to get to well, I
should say mountain classic teamplus noah um was able to get
together to do like a littlecamp, like a mini camp in
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colorado a few months, maybe,about a month ago, maybe three
weeks.
Um, how's the marathon team?
Have you guys tried tocoordinate anything, because I
know helen doesn't live too farfrom you?
Have you guys been able tocoordinate to train at all?
I know some of the teams havebeen doing that or has it been
just kind of like on your own?
Speaker 2 (29:16):
It feels like most of us have kind of been on our own
.
I think that quite a few of usare going early to Spain and the
plan is to meet up and rent acar and we'll go train together
for the week that we have beforethe race, and so that'll be
kind of our first time alltogether and training and, you
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know, dialing these thingstogether, which is going to be
really exciting.
Um, but yeah, I really haven'tconnected with many of them
since broken arrow, so it'll becool to see everybody again.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Nice, yeah, super cool, are you?
Uh, as far as like, nervesgoing into this race and I
always get nervous on startlines is this like, are you
nervous for this one?
Like, will you be?
Like, do you like, did you havenerves on broken arrow?
I know this is kind of a weirdquestion, but like I'm just
always so curious because somepeople are cool as cucumbers.
I'm like, how are you thatrelaxed, like I can't be that
way.
How are you that relaxed, likeI?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
can't be that way.
I think that, yes, definitely,I think nerves are a sign that
you care, and but I try, when Istart to get really nervous, I
try to turn it and think youknow, this is really exciting
and this is a great opportunity.
So whenever I feel those nerves, I try to think to myself to
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not get overly nervous and treatthis as you know, this is an
exciting opportunity.
Because if I just think, oh,I'm so nervous, I'm so nervous,
I just it's a downhill slope forme and, coming from track and
field and cross country, youknow you deal with that like
every week, these crazy nerves,and I think the more that you
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deal with them, you just kind offind your own way to to deal
with them and try to to makethem positive in whatever way
you can.
So, yes, for sure I am nervous,but that's good I think it's a
healthy thing.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
everybody, yeah, um, I read this really good article.
Uh, it was like a local articleabout you.
I think it was like one of thelocal Alaska magazines or
newspapers had written about youand you stated like one of your
goals was to do the big loop atUTMB.
Yeah, is that like your bigoverarching goal for the sport?
Like one day?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
one day, Maybe not my biggest goal, but I for sure
want to do that loop.
I backpacked it last year andit's an amazing loop and I think
getting to a point where I canfeel fit and compete and race
UTMB.
I would love to be able to dothat one day and to do it to the
best of my ability, Ideally.
You know, in the top there is ahuge goal one day.
It's exciting for me because Ilook at the rosters sometimes
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and I look at the ages of theseladies and they're in their
mid-30s, early 30s.
I just think I have so muchtime to do these things and
that's really exciting.
It's just very inspiring to see, you know, these women in their
mid thirties crushing everybody.
Um, yeah, it's, it's cool tosee that longevity in the sport.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
It's amazing.
How has, like obviously I justkind of brought that goal up
Obviously worlds is a goal, orwas a goal, and now you'll get
to go do that.
How do you, how are you goingto adjust your goals moving
forward?
Like, what is next for youafter this?
Like, is it going to be?
Like all right, I just did thatLike, oh, like, what's like
what?
What do you think is going tobe part of 2026?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I haven't really thought about that yet.
I'm probably going to race a.
Well, I am.
I'm planning to race a UTMBrace in November, the.
There's one near Santa Barbara,the Pacific Trails, that I'll
probably jump into to try toqualify for OCC next year.
So I'd love to jump into OCC orCCC, whatever I can, there next
year.
But yeah, I was thinking aboutthat the other day.
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I don't really know, I haven'tthought about it.
I think I'll take it one stepat a time and have a good race
at Worlds, ideally, and then,after this season, kind of sit
back and reevaluate.
But that's something I haven'treally thought about yet.
I do think that qualifying andmaking this Worlds team is a
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step in a good direction and Ithink for a lot of people this
is a dream, and for me it is too.
But also, okay, I've reachedthis goal that I have and that's
just kind of building thismomentum towards other things
that I want to do, and so I'mreally satisfied to have made it
.
But also, you know, this is agood way to propel myself into,
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you know, I know I can do this.
Okay, what's the next big thing?
What's the next big thing?
I don't think I'll ever hit apoint in my career where I'll
say I'm satisfied and I'm done.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I don't think that that's it's not the way that I I
work.
So, yeah, what's your what's?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
your why, like why, why do you do this?
You know I just I really enjoybeing outside.
I like being out for a reallylong time out, six-hour days
where you're scrambling aroundon ridges and also just being
joyful about that.
That's why I do this.
And I think that thecompetition too.
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I'm a very competitive personand I love it.
I love the competition and Ireally love the process of
working really, really hardevery day.
It gives you a good routine andI think all those things
together are kind of why.
And also, you know, there aregirls sometimes in my DMs, young
girls who are like you know, Isee what you're doing and this
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is awesome and one day I want tobe like you.
Or one of my co-workers'daughters sent me a message on
my birthday that was like I wantto be like you and I wish I was
like you and I'm really gladthat I know you and stuff like
that.
When people start saying thosethings to you, you know you're
doing something right, likeyou're inspiring kind of the
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next generation coming up andyou're setting the standard and
the bar for what's possible nowand they're just going to come
up and they're going to push itout of the park.
But I think, being a part ofthis new era of you know, trail
running is growing so fast andit's cool to be more at the
start of it and, yeah, to beinspiring to a young kid growing
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up who looks at you and says Iwant to do that, that's pretty
special.
So that's a lot of the why yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
That's amazing, wow.
Do you feel like a sense nowthat, like once you get those
messages, do you feel like asense of responsibility to just
be as professional as possibleand as good of a role model as
possible for some of these youngfolks that look up to you?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yes, but also try to show that this is fun.
This is a really fun thing thatwe do.
It doesn't have to be allcompetition all the time.
The reason why we do this is tobe outside, and you know, I try
to remind them.
You know, this is, this is fun.
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Be active, you know.
Go out and bike or go out andrun and enjoy yourself out there
.
I think that's the biggestthing that I want to share is,
you know, keep it fun.
Don't make it too, tooaggressive to where you're, I
don't know, not having funanymore.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, no, I think it's really like.
The reason I ask is because Italked to a lot of folks that
are in either a similar positionto you or in the same exact
position and I always ask thefun, the F, the F word, like are
you having fun?
Do you enjoy this still?
Because I think it's reallyeasy for athletes to get so
caught up in I don't know like.
You have your training regimen.
You know what you got to nail.
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You have to hit those workouts.
You have to do X, y, z like youhave to.
You know the formula if youwill, and it just becomes
routine after a while.
But if you're not having funwith it, then you're not going
to have that magic on race dayand it's not going to feel as
exciting as it should.
Are you still being able tolike strike that balance and
still find the fun in yourtraining and getting out and
just enjoying what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, I definitely have to mix it with.
You know, I have really reallyhard, long days and I'm not
having fun at all and it'sreally painful and I'm miserable
.
Bike or I'll go and I'll ski,or you know I'll go and I'll
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just have you know, go do thisrun and be out there however
long you want to be out there,or go run for an hour, doesn't
matter where, just maybe halfthe time I'm walking during that
run, who knows.
But being able to incorporatethis kind of balance of I'm
going to do today what I want todo, not what I have to do, I
think that that's really helpedme and also my coaches really,
(37:55):
really helped me kind of figureout the right training for that.
It's like you know, you can'tjust go out and wander around
all the time.
I think it's important for meto have really hard workouts and
those are, those are fun too.
Sometimes you know you do areally hard workout and like, oh
wow, that that was, that wasgreat and it's addicting in that
(38:16):
way.
I think I'm really justaddicted to the process of all
of it.
You know, I really love to workreally hard, but I also really
love to go dink around in themountains for eight, 10 hours
and have no plan Um.
So I think being able to doboth is important um for my
longevity anyways, I've noticedit's important to do both yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Do you find, like I like to hide in the process,
like I really find that likewhen I say hide, I mean like
it's really easy to get caughtup in a training block and just,
you know, focus on the nuts andbolts of it, and just I don't
know, when you're just doing X,y and Z and really caught up in
it and excited about it, it's,it's easy to not think about the
race, if you will.
Do you like more of thetraining block or do you like
(38:58):
more of the race day?
Speaker 2 (39:03):
I don't know.
You know, I really like both.
The racing is just this.
I hear people say this all thetime, but it's so true.
It is just this.
I hear people say this all thetime, but it's so true.
It is really this celebrationof like the culmination of all
that hard work that you've putin, and that is something really
special, where you can get torace day and you know if you
have a really good race and itgoes really well and you're
(39:25):
super stoked.
It's just a reflection oneverything you've done up to
that point.
So I think that they, I thinkthat they go hand in hand.
Um, yeah, racing is really fun,but yeah, the train, I don't
know.
I can't pick a side there.
They're both great.
Yeah, I love the training and Ialso love the racing.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, You're young enough to where there's a
possibility that if we everbecome an Olympic sport like,
you'll still be around, like inthe sense of a professional
athlete like do you want it tobecome an Olympic sport?
Like what do you?
What do you want to happen?
What do you want to see as anathlete in the sport?
Like where do you want to seethis in 10 or 15 years?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I think it could be really cool.
I think I do think that we'llprobably eventually have
something in the Olympics, youknow, whether it be more golden
trail style races that are a bitshorter, faster, or.
But you know, I don't know.
I think a lot of people reallylike to go out and run their
local trail races with theircommunity.
(40:24):
Maybe it's 10 people, maybeit's 10,000.
I don't know, it doesn't matter.
I think that that's somethingthat I hope that we never lose
sight of is this communityaspect of trail running and what
it does for the community.
And I think it'd be awesome tobring the sport to the Olympics.
But I just hope that wewouldn't lose and I don't think
(40:45):
we would lose it, but lose thiscommunity vibe and what
everybody likes, like the cirqueseries is a great example of it
.
You know you have everybody outthere and everyone's having so
much fun and that is what thissport is all about is that
community aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
So yeah, it's interesting to me because, like
you, come from a place in alaskawhere, like the mountain
running community, the communityaspect of it is probably the
strongest out of maybe anywherein the entire country, like
rivaling a lot of places inEurope.
Yeah, so you think both can.
I think I personally, I'm I'man optimist, so I think both can
coexist, like I don't.
(41:21):
I don't see a world where onehas to eclipse the other, like I
think it's still very much asoul sport, where you see
surfing and skateboarding andeven climbing, like yes, there's
the olympic discipline, but therest of the sport still moves
on and does its thing, you knowyeah, exactly, I think that's
exactly how it's gonna go yeahyeah, it's a great way to put it
(41:42):
interesting, very cool.
Well, honestly, I think this wasa good one.
It's a good place to keep itall.
I think this is a good place tostop it and we'll catch up
after Worlds.
Yeah, ruby, I'm such a fan.
I'm wishing you such like thebest of luck.
I can't wait to see what you doon race day, and I hope you
have an amazing time and it'sjust a great experience for you.
So wish you the best, thank you, thank you.
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