Speedgoat 50K Race Companion

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The legendary Speedgoat 50k isn't just another mountain race—it's a brutal test of endurance that has humbled even the sport's greatest athletes. With 11,400 feet of climbing packed into 31 miles at altitudes reaching 11,000 feet, this Karl Meltzer creation has rightfully earned its reputation as America's toughest 50k.

James and Nick dive deep into what makes this race so special, tracing its rich history through the performances of ultrarunning royalty like Kilian Jornet, Anton Krupicka, and Jim Walmsley. They analyze David Sinclair's mind-blowing course record (4:57:35) set last year when he became the first runner to break the 5-hour barrier, while marveling at how the women's record has incredibly stood untouched since Anita Ortiz ran 6:02:06 back in 2008.

This year's field might be the deepest in race history. The women's battle features defending champion Jasmine Lowther, Broken Arrow winner Jennifer Lichter, mountain running star Grayson Murphy stepping up in distance, and local favorite Mally Noyes who knows every inch of the course. On the men's side, Michelino Senseri stands as the clear favorite—the only runner in the field who has broken 5:20, and he's done it twice.

What makes the conversation particularly fascinating is the hosts' analysis of the unique skills this course demands. Unlike many ultras, Speedgoat rewards ski mountaineering strength and climbing ability over pure running talent, explained by the exposed nature of the course running across ski slopes with minimal tree cover. Weather becomes crucial too, with cooler temperatures potentially setting the stage for record attempts.

Whether you're planning your fantasy picks, preparing to race, or simply love the drama of mountain ultrarunning, this preview provides all the insights you need to understand why Speedgoat has become one of the most respected measuring sticks in trail running—a race where legends are tested and new ones are born.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, fam?
Welcome back to the Steep StuffPodcast.
I'm your host, James Lariello,and I'm so excited to bring you
guys an episode today, aSpeedgoat 50k preview episode,
with none other than co-host,frequent co-host, Nick Tusa.
Hope you guys enjoy this one.
We get into all kinds of goodstuff.
This is a very historical race,so we get into a lot of the
history of the race.
Course records, broken courserecords, you name it.

(00:23):
We kind of get into it.
Hopefully there's a bunch ofvalue in there for your guys'
free trial fantasy picks.
We hope you enjoy it.
So, without further ado, hereis the Speedgoat 50k race
preview episode.
It's time.

(00:48):
Thank you, Ladies and gentlemen.

(01:34):
We are live, Nick Tussauds.
Welcome back to the Steep StuffPodcast.
How's it going, my friend?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's going, man, we're in the thick of things
summer racing.
It's been a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
I know, I know I can't believe it's already mid
to late July and we're alreadytalking Speedgoat man.
I always feel like it's crazyhow fast time goes by.
We were just chatting about allthese World Prep races and
Broken Arrow and centipede andhere we are already we're back
in the thick of it for for speedgoat 50 K.
It's pretty crazy.

(02:09):
It's crazy.
Yeah, yeah it's, it's a dude, I, it's.
I gotta say speed.
It's pretty stacked this year.
I'm pretty impressed with the,with the turnout for both the
men's and women's field.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Look, both the men's and women's field.
Look, look very deep, extremelydeep, yeah yeah, most years I
feel like you know you have yourlike three or four characters
in the women's and men's side,but this year it's, it's deep.
I'd say it's 10 deep on bothsides.
So it's easily solid and Ithink, I think a lot of people
are prepping, I would guess, forfor worlds, for heading over to
Sean, for OCC or CCC.

(02:45):
This is a great tune up for itand top three gets an entrance
into OCC.
So that's, that's probably abig thing for some people.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, it's an auto bid into OCC.
Is it an auto bid for this year?
Is it for the following?
That's a good point.
It would be for the fall, itwould be for the following, I
mean still interesting though.
I mean yeah, I mean stillinteresting, though I mean if
you're you know what, like Iknow like michelino's run at occ
before hasn't had the best racethat he wanted to.
So if he does well here there'san opportunity.
I just feel like it just itdoes create a lot of opportunity

(03:13):
.
Um, yeah, it's crazy, man, likewhen you, when you look at this
course profile and think aboutlike the history of this race,
like first off, like hands down,like what car Meltzer created
here, probably the toughest 50Kin America, like easily in North
America.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I would say it's up there.
Yeah, I mean, there are somesmaller races that I would put
up there, but this is ataltitude.
It's what?
Almost 10,000 feet of gain.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, it's 11,000 feet, 11,000 feet of gain for 31
miles.
It's 11,400 on the profile in31 miles.
It's 11 400 on the profile.
Okay, in 31 miles.
I I did not like.
I looked at a couple otherthings for the rut to compare
the rut 50k to it, um, but Ididn't look at the.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
I mean, obviously it goes over a lone peak, so it's
just as high, yeah, or if nothigher, yeah, more technical, I
would say the route's definitelymore technical, so it ends up
being a little bit of a slowerrace because no one's going
under five hours at the run byopinion.
But here we saw davidson.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
There is some crossover, though it is
interesting because, like yousee, athletes that seem to do
well, like your davidsonclaire's, your michelino's
jennifer lichter, like thoseathletes that seem to perform
pretty well at the rut also seemto cross over pretty well, um,
into speed go.
So, yeah, man, it's happening.
Yeah, saturday, july 26th 2025.

(04:30):
Uh, I missed it.
Cirque series, snowbirdsnowbird, I'm just so synonymous
with that, with that cirqueseries race.
Um, little cottonwood, such abeautiful canyon, um, I've
obviously haven't been backsince the cirque series race.
That's kind of what I was goingto say with it.
But, dude, what, honestly, likeyou were just back, uh, not too
far from there, racing in parkcity, like those canyons are so
gorgeous it's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
It's well, I'm big cotton winner.
It's special, special placeyeah.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, we just had a chat pretty, pretty recent.
We were kind of talking aboutsome of the circ series races
and just shorter technical stuff.
You think you'll try to hopinto anything next year.
Try to go back to uh, doanything maybe.
Maybe the speed go 28k.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
That'd be a good fit for you, I know that's, but it's
been on the list for a while,it just hasn't lined up.
Um, yeah, I mean, as long asweather pans out which I was
actually just looking at theweather and it looks like
they're gonna be having somepretty solid weather.
It looked like highs and likethe high 60s, lows and like the
low 40s ish.
So it should be a cool startwith like a little warmer finish
, but not what you're used to inthose canyons.

(05:29):
Those canyons can get very,very hot very hot.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, once the sun breaks in there you get
absolutely cooked because, dude,I remember from alta last year
like that was like relativelycool start.
But as soon as the sun hits you, as you start to get like above
tree line and expose, like like, you get frigging cooked.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, yeah.
That's one thing with thiscourse it is completely exposed.
You are not in any type of treecoverage whatsoever.
You're on top of ski mountainsthe entire time.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, that's one thing I really enjoy about the
Wasatch is like you can, it'snot, I mean it's high up for,
like, relatively speaking, butlike, not like Colorado, it's
like run runnable, high up,right, like you can run to
11,000 feet and, you know, stillfeel pretty good.
Um, and it's, yeah, you'reright, you're just hitting these
beautiful ski peaks, You've gotsuch a picturesque course.
You're dropping up and down,lots of up and down, just

(06:13):
pounding.
Um, yeah, I don't know.
I, like I said I speed goingintrigues me.
I don't know, like, justpersonally as an athlete,
there's something about it thatI I'd love to go see what it's
all about.
And obviously I played on thecourse in a couple different
sections, um, you know, throughcirc, series stuff, but like
never done the whole thing.
So, yeah, it's definitelysomething for for the list.
Yeah, definitely one on thelist.
Let's talk about it.

(06:34):
So, like we talked about thecourse a little bit, obviously,
31 miles, 11 400 feet, one ofthe biggest elevation gains, if
not the biggest, biggest in thesport as of right now as far as
the toughest in the UnitedStates, like 50 K wise.
Um, of course, low points about8,000 feet, high points about
11,000.
It's a lot of up and down, upand down, um, interesting thing

(06:56):
courses seven, eight stations,uh, seven checkpoint, eight
stations, if you will, two ofwhich allow crew access so crew
can get to two of those pointson there.
Um, yeah, one of the things, Ireally I was messing with it.
I was talking to Scott KlingonSmith.
Uh, we did a little uh like arace, um like pre-race interview
with him, and I was messingwith him cause he was like oh,
I'm going to put in my belt, I'mgoing to do this bottle, this

(07:29):
bottle, this bottle, and I'mgoing to keep these in my hands.
And I was like dude, what aboutthe mandatory gear?
And he like had a borderlinepanic attack and like but,
because utmb is kind ofsynonymous with mandatory gear,
but for this race in particular,I think it's kind of cool that
the only mandatory gear is justyour phone.
Um, food, obviously.
Um, I think it's a liter ofwater, so cell phone,
collapsible cup, one liter ofwater capacity and then the
ability to have food, spare food, so it's not like rain jacket

(07:51):
and all this other stuff whichis interesting.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, I'm surprised on like the one liter.
I know at Twisted Fork when Iran that they required a liter
and a half, though you weregoing farther away from I don't
know the start.
It was a bigger loop where it'slike this is like kind of
condensed on a ski Hill.
Everything is sort of close,like if, if weather did strike,
you could dip down pretty quick.
And there's eight stations,like you said, there's seven of

(08:16):
them.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
So yeah, yeah, I think it's kind of cool.
It's very uh like.
I think that was something thatI find interesting because,
like, like we said, utmb is verysynonymous with you gotta pack
your rain pants, your rainjacket, this thing, that thing,
it's.
There's a lot of minotaur gearuh is what I'm trying to get at.
But, like the like the mythos,like the, the background of

(08:36):
american trail running and ultrarunning in general is very
minimalist, right, I pictureanton running shirtless, with a
belt, you know, on long's peak,like that.
That's american ultra running ina lot of ways so and I, anton,
having history with this raceand amongst many others, like I
find it cool that they kind ofkept it very minimalist in some
ways so you can kind of run therace just with both bottles and

(08:57):
a phone and you're good.
Um, one of the interestingthings about this race that I
find kind of interesting, likeneat and different.
Prize purse $7,000.
Prize purse First place is$2,000.
Second, and this is for men andwomen, first place is 2000.
Second place is a thousand andthird is 500.
I mean, I'm happy that they doa prize purse but I think it's a
little low compared to someothers.

(09:19):
Like broken arrow, for the justgoes to show you like how crazy
our sports gotten, like as faras an evolved it's gotten, if
you will.
Um, from a prize purseperspective this year, the
broken, the broken arrow ascent3500.
For winning the ascent 3473,which is an obscure number.
Uh.
For winning the 23k 5500 to thefirst male and female.

(09:44):
For the 46 K.
So Jen, jen, yeah, like some ofthose folks, jen and Eli got
$5,500 checks.
It's pretty solid.
Second place $2,000.
For the ascent.
23 K was 2,315 and third player, I'm sorry.
And for the 46 K, second was$3,500.
Third place for the ascent was$1,200.

(10:07):
Third place for the 23K was$1,158.
And then third place for the46K was $1,000.
So pretty sizable prize pursesand compared, what I'm trying to
get at here is like UTMB Ithink needs to step it up with
the prize purse money.
Like you're only offering 7K,whereas you see, like broken
arrow for, like you gottaremember, for like an ascent or

(10:29):
like a Cirque series race, likeCirque series you can make a
thousand bucks right If you win.
Like that's an easy day out.
Like you don't have to workthat hard for that money,
whereas like two grand to haveto work your butt off for 50 K
it's going to take a long timeto come back from.
I don't know.
I feel like that's.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Whereas like a broken arrow you go win.
The 46K at 5,500 bucks is apretty solid payout.
I was just looking up here.
I was curious what UTMB likethe 100 miler, what the payout
is there, and it seems like theypay out pretty well the price

(11:14):
first.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
it looks like last year, I think it was 120,000
euros, so they're paying outpretty well I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
I had this in my head that they didn't pay out that
well, but maybe that's changedin the recent years?

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I don't know, I know Western doesn't?

Speaker 1 (11:22):
rut has a great prize purse, I mean the rut.
You're always seeing athletespictured with like stacks of
cash, like if you win the 50, 50care, 28 K.
It's $3,000 for first place, solike 3000 in cash.
That's like a lot of wads oflike a hundred dollar bills.
It's pretty cool, Even the VK.
You make a thousand bucks ifyou win.
So, like cam dude, Dude Kimcame away last year.
Then Did he win?

(11:43):
He won the VK.
If I remember correctly, he wonthe 28K too.
So dude made himself $4,000 ina weekend.
That's not bad.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I don't think the rep paid out like that.
Wow, I'm surprised we haven'tseen Joe go up there.
Joe Gray go up and do the VK.
Yeah.
I never even thought about that.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Usually, you know what?
It's always kind of probablywith pikes and stuff like that
could be why?
yeah, yeah, that's right.
Yeah, or worlds, or you know,in the in between years or off
years.
So, yeah, I do, he probablythat would be a cool one to see.
Yeah, because that's a proper,that's a proper like vertical
kilometer.
Yeah, you crush dude, let'stalk.
Let's talk history of this race.

(12:19):
So one of the things I reallygot into the weeds on um about
speed go is just like howstoried it is in our sport, like
it's.
There's a lot of history tothis race.
Like 2017, jim Walmsley brokethe course record that Sage
candidate had set.
We'll get into Sage's courserecord, but the former course
record was five oh eight ohseven set by Sage.

(12:40):
I believe it was in 2013.
Jim goes and breaks it by aboutfour minutes.
Uh, in 2017.
Then adam peterman came alongin 2021, broke jim's course
record by about 20 seconds.
I did not know it was thatclose.
So, peter, yeah, peterman wasvery close to jim's course
record in what was that time?

Speaker 2 (12:57):
is that five?

Speaker 1 (12:58):
peterman did it, it was five oh five hold on.
I didn't write that one downspecifically.
No, I do.
I wrote David Sinclair's down,which was broken by like seven
minutes.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
And then I would imagine, it was yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Wamsley.
Actually, you know what I canget hold on.
I can get cause that would havebeen 2021.
Adam Peterman one Hold on AdamPeterman ran five4, 31 back in
2021 so it took about 20 secondsoff of jim's time and then
david sinclair goes andabsolutely demolishes the course

(13:34):
record last year and brokeadam's time by about seven
minutes and the first, the firstperson to ever go under five
hours on that course, which iskind of crazy.
Yeah.
And you know what the evencrazier part is is like sam
hendry I really look up to as anathlete like I have a lot of
respect for, like like extremelytalented dude.
He beat sam hendry by 27 minuteslike 457, 35.

(13:56):
It's not like it was even 459,it was 450 something.
He was in into the four range.
Yeah, I'm doing like a hundredmile race, not a 50k.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
That's just domination, it's oh yeah, that
might have been.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
I mean we'll see what happens over the next few years
.
I mean like maybe, maybe you'llget, maybe jim will come back
or maybe david sinclair willcontinue to lower it.
But outside of that, maybemaybe folks will improve or
we'll get some new phenoms inthere.
But I don't know if that courserecord is going to come down
anytime soon.
Like that's that's kind of.
That's so fast to think about.
Like 31 miles, 11,200 feet or11,400 feet of climbing and

(14:32):
you're running less than fivehours on that.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
That's, that's yeah, that's crazy so sometimes it
just takes someone to do it, andonce someone does it, the
dominoes just fall.
So we'll see this year it'syeah.
This year I think we'll say alot because, like we were saying
, this is the one of the deepestfields we've seen it is.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
It is lots of names, lots of names, and I do want to
give some more commentary on thewomen's side as well the
women's course record.
So it's this is a tale ofcourse records and some
interesting history here.
Like the women's course record,you would have thought it would
have fallen since then.
It was set in 2008 by anitaortiz in six hours two minutes
and six seconds, and it'sinteresting because, like the

(15:09):
only athletes that have reallycome super close, jasmine luther
ran last year 6 1505, which isstill, you know, quite a few
minutes, 13 minutes off, andanime flynn ran 6 1804.
Um, so no one's really comesuper super close in that amount
of time.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
So, yeah, it's uh it's interesting now that you
say that, I feel like this islike, correct if I'm wrong here.
But is this the last known likeor the oldest course record in
american trail running right now?
Because recently, you know, uhpikes was broken pikes was
broken ledver was broken.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Oh, maybe it's the women's lead bill one it might
be and tracen that might be,that I don't know when that was,
though I want to say that thatwas more recent than 2008,
though I'm gonna find out who.
Yeah, I'm just gonna googlethis really quick, just yeah
that's just.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's so interesting, like you said, like this is a
race that has been around for solong and that every pro,
basically in their build up to alot of these ultra runners, um,
the build up to their 100milers that they start doing,
you know, when they're six,seven, eight years into the
sport, this is a, this is acourse that they go through,
like you've had every name racethis and the fact that it's

(16:23):
never been broken is astonishing.
Like, was there a shortercourse?
Then was?
Was it?
Was it the perfect weather?
Is it?
Is it a weather thing?
It's possible.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I want to give some commentary to the level one.
So I I didn't realize this, butMary Dell Denholm did break it
in 2024.
She broke and Jason's recordshe ran 18, 23, 51 Is Chris, set
by Mary Delahun.
The time broke previously heldby Antreson, who ran 1806-24.
That doesn't make any sense, ai.

(16:53):
What are you doing to me?
So?
No, that's incorrect too.
I might have to cut this out.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
I feel like she did, but she was very, very close.
She was on her way to doing soand then maybe fell apart
towards the end, but David couldhave very well overshadowed her
during that.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
No very well overshadowed her during that.
That's kind of no okay.
So I'm sorry, audience who'slistening to this thinking no,
it's and tracen's record,because we were right originally
and tracen holds the record.
In 1806, mary down home cameclose.
Listen to this.
This is kind of funny.
I typed this in.
This is how you can never trustai and this is why we don't
want them to be our.
It literally says the currentwomen's course record for the
leadville trail 100 is 18 23 51set by mary denholm in 2020.

(17:32):
That's yeah.
It could not be more wrong.
Dude like google.
Ai sucks.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I'm sorry and what year was that?
That and tracing did that?
Was that 2011?
Right, 1994?
Okay, that's the oldest.
Forget what I said.
How about 50k and under?

Speaker 1 (17:45):
this is probably what I'd say for some of the like
the bigger sub ultra races, it'shard to say because this is you
would qualify this astechnically an ultra race
because it's a 50k, but for someof the bigger races, set back
in 2008, this is one of thelonger standing ones.
I just the reason I bring it upbecause it's like a leadville
in a lot of ways, where so manyamazing women in our sport have

(18:06):
come through and have raisedthis, like your anime flins,
your hillary allens, likeJasmine Louther, like there's so
many strong women that havecome through and not even gotten
close, like within still within10 minutes.
So yeah, I don't know, maybe,like you said, maybe there was,
it was a great weather day andmaybe it was a shorter course.
Yeah, I have no idea, but it iswild to me that that has stood

(18:26):
the test of time since 2008.
So some more history that Ifind really interesting that I
do want to dive a little deeperinto.
So killian ran this, won therace back in 2012.
He ran 518, 27 um.
Sage canada is now tied withdavid sinclair for the most
titles.
David has three wins.
Sage canada has three wins.

(18:47):
Sage canada won 2013, 14 and 15and previously had the course
record at 50807.
That was set back in 2013, umanton.
Anton has raced this race twice.
Uh, 2012.
He was fourth behind killian umI do not recall who was kind of

(19:07):
in those two gentlemen inbetween and he was second in
2013 to sage um.
So anton's had some history atthis race.
Other legends who have run thisrace ricky gates, mike wolf,
joe grant, timmy parr, dylanbowman, tim tollefson, who we'll
get to ryan fabus, nick clark,um dude hayden hawks got his

(19:28):
start at this race in 2018 witha big win, and then christian
allen got his start at this racein 2018 with a big win.
And then Christian Allen gothis start at this race in 2023
with a statement that's right,yeah, yeah.
So lots of like a history on themen's side and on the women's
side.
All right, here's the women'shistory that I find really cool
about this race.
So we already talked about thewomen's course record that was
set in 2008 by Anna Ortizno-transcript and then she wound

(19:59):
up going to win her secondtitle in 2014 in 6'42".
Hillary Allen was fourth thatyear, in 2014, and then went the
next year in 2015,.
Came back and won.
So she's a former champion.
Won in 637, 35 in 2015.
Katie scheid ran this race in2015.
She was seventh in 2015.

(20:21):
Ran 744, 28.
Never came back to try and win,though I find that really
interesting that katie scheidnever came back to take the dub
or try.
Jaman ran this this race aswell, but we'll get to him.
He ran it in 2019.
Anime Flynn I feel like had herone of her many breakout

(20:41):
performances, but I think 2017Anime Flynn like you got to give
her flowers like absolutebreakout performance ran 618.04
for the win in 2017.
Marian Hogan was also in that2017 race, who's a big name in
ultra, now runs for Solomon andshe was sixth and 7 1501 back in
2017.
Anna Mae Flynn also went on towin again in 2019.

(21:03):
And then another household name, jennifer Lichter, raced her
first speed goat back in 2022and got second and 652 06 right
after coincidentally, rightafter winning the broken arrow
sky race 46k just a few, uh,about a month removed.
So, yeah, it's just interesting,lots of so, like so many greats
and so many of the big names inour sport, both men and women

(21:24):
have really come through andrace this race, so there's a lot
of history to it.
Yeah, uh, let's talk names.
We can talk.
Do you want to talk about men'snames or women's names?
Just like, I feel like thedepth is very deep here yeah,
let's start with the women, okay, yeah yeah, let's talk about it
.
So I'll let you, I'll let youthrow off a bunch of couple, or
a couple names that you thatreally stood out to you, of

(21:45):
women that are going to be uhyeah lead field this year.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, yeah, one of the surprising names.
I saw one that I I'm notfamiliar with.
Um, I don't I like to thinkthat I'm educated on like the
salt light kind of loss I'veseen, but this one I actually
haven't heard of.
It was uh, sorry if I'm sayingher name incorrect.
Is it mally noise?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
valley yeah, noise is the right way to say noise,
noise, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
So she, uh, she took second in 2023 and 2024.
And she, it seems like shelives like right around the base
of it, like in CottonwoodCanyon.
Is that what you were saying?

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, a little Cottonwood from sun Valley,
resides in little Cottonwood.
Now Got it yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
So, like she knows this race so well, it's cool to
see a local that has like beenhere a year after a year and now
is showing up with like somereally legit competition.
So I'm really excited to seewhat she could do, because like
that's kind of where people canhave their breakouts, you know,
at their hometown race, whenlike a bunch of big dogs come in
and they just like wipe thefield because they have

(22:46):
experience here and this seemslike a type of course, and with
a course with this much of hurt,it's something that you
probably have to return to.
I don't know if you're going tohit it right the first time,
because it's so easy to go athotness and just destroy the
first like couple climbs, butthose last couple climbs are
absolutely brutal, um.
So yeah, we'll see a coupleother names.

(23:07):
Emma cook clark she's neverraced here before.
Um, she, she was so good on theskyrunner series.
She's so good at thesetechnical mountain races, um,
whereas this one is maybe not astechnical, but very so much for
so much hiking.
That's just her thing, um she'ssuper excited.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
yeah, she showed her chops at mammoth in previous
years as well, or in a um, likeshe can do runnable stuff as
well.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
So and super steep so yeah, and then, uh, grayson
Murphy that always stands out,um, especially now that we saw
her kind of make the make themove up in distance, um, at a
broken arrow where she tookfifth Um.
So, yeah, it'd be, this will beher longest race, probably time
on feet like to date at a race,so be super interesting to see

(23:54):
what she can do there.
She's very familiar, I imagine,with these trails, having raced
on them before, just not in aspeed goat race.
Um, you got returning championjasmine lowther.
She's been out there trainingnow seems like her and nicolino
moved out there, so she'sprobably very familiar with the
course.
I've been kind of seeing whatthey've been doing bouncing
around the los ach, kind ofhitting all the all, the all the

(24:16):
major stuff that you kind ofgot to hit to, uh, get familiar
with that range now that theyjust moved there.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
So it's been fun to see I've heard milky nicolino is
getting pretty, pretty into theum the whirl spending a lot.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
oh dude, he's gonna, he's gonna give that a rip, he's
going to smash the world.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
of course, I love that.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Poor David.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Hedges is going to get two broken records in a year
.
That bastard.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I feel bad for him.
And then the big name thatreally stood out because she's
kind of been on everyone's radaras of late and you mentioned
she took second in 2022, jenLichter, having won Broken Arrow
, what what?
Now, a month or so removed fromthat win, similar to what she
did in 2022 and then coming tothis race, I expect she's in

(25:02):
very similar fitness um trainingout of missoula, peaked at her
shrava, putting in some big daysfor usual in the mountains,
kind of what she had to do forthis race.
Yeah, if she, if she can winthis man, I think she is.
She's in for you know, troywatch, I have a feeling yeah, oh
, easily yeah it's like wetalked about her on the last uh

(25:24):
broken arrow pod.
She just has that.
She has that dog in her and inher eyes.
Like you could tell she's sucha competitor and she's going to
come here.
You know what?

Speaker 1 (25:34):
The only thing it'll be bump, like it's kind of a
it's a good year for her, butlike a bummer year, like let's
say she does have, like let'ssay she wins speed, goat right.
She has an opportunity then togo for like the trif's team

(25:55):
those three kind of are thetriple crown.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I would say like broken arrow, speed, goat run, I
like that.
I like that.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
That's good I mean it's like the.
You know I would put her upthere as like probably the best
like female 50k mountain runnerin the country, like one of the
best in the world, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
No, 100%, yeah, Absolutely.
Then a couple other names Ijust want to throw out there too
.
Janelle Lynx every time she'son a starting line she's killer,
she's making the jump.
It seems like too.
I think she's done somethinglonger before.
I was looking at her UTMBprofile and she did something in
the azores with golden trailthat looked like it was a little

(26:32):
bit longer.
I don't know.
I don't know if it was, if thiswas a combined time or not, but
this does seem like a prettybig jump up in distance, for so
I'm curious why she's doing it.
Really cool that she's.
She's doing it because she wasalways just like a staple and
kind of zerk series and uh gopro games and or shorter
mountain races.
So it'll be cool to see her outthere broken arrow.

(26:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh.
Sarah beal she trains out ofboulder more of a flatter
runnable kind of um.
50k to like 100 mile seems like100k or um.
So it'll be interesting to see,uh, someone with you know
flatter speed coming here.
You never, you never know it.
Sometimes it translates forpeople, sometimes it doesn't.
Uh, robin lesh yeah, she was, uh, she was eighth at broken arrow

(27:16):
and she won the 28k last year,so she's familiar with this
horse.
It's just a little bit longer.
We'll see.
Uh, she's training right now umout of durango and I saw her
putting in some big loops in thesan juan, so I can imagine
she's uh, she's definitely readyto go.
Um, and then another san juangirl, uh, lindsey allison.
Yep, uh, coming off fifth lastyear um at this race and I think

(27:39):
she's coming here to get alittle bit of revenge from from
broken arrow, um having dnf to.
I did hear about the reason.
I know you're going to behaving her on in the next day or
so, um, so we'll figure out,maybe, maybe, why that happened.
Maybe she's trying to save herseason and maybe this ends up
being a big race.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
For we'll see, yeah I mean, she's made the world seem
too.
So I think this is, yeah, thiswould be a good.
I don't you know.
That's actually interesting,because I do need to ask her
about that if she'll continue onto do.
I know, before then, when wehad her on the podcast, it was
all about ccc.
Now things have changed alittle bit.
She's made a world's team.
So with CCC, still the, stillthe you know, the jewel in the
season, or is it going to beworlds?

(28:15):
And how do you?
How do you do?

Speaker 2 (28:17):
both.
And yeah, exactly, he soundslike he's.
He's doing both.
Yeah, he's doing CCC and andworlds, which is.
I commend you for that.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Eli's not a human being.
Yeah, he's also not human, I'mnot really sure where he's from.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
But yeah, and then another woman name I want to
toss out there, a new one for meuh, anna fisher.
Uh, she's sponsored by thenorth face.
Um, local out of uh salt lakearea, um, so again, familiar
with these trails.
You, just you can never countout somebody that that that's
familiar with the wasatch and,having trained there, has she
had any previous finishes atthis race?

Speaker 1 (28:55):
the one thing that like a common thread that I'm
finding, in both the men's andwomen's fields, is that there's
a lot of experience at this race, whether it be at the 28k or
the 50k.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, yep, yep, and that's absolutely going to show,
absolutely, um.
And then, as for just our timesand stuff, just uh, I know we
talked about it a little bitearlier, but just uh, reiterate
here, uh, last year's winner wasJasmine Lother at 615.
Um, and yeah, the course recordhaving been 602.
I think this year we're goingto be looking at somewhere
around 610, maybe pushing 605.

(29:26):
I just think, with thecompetition and with everybody
pushing each other, they'regoing to start out hotter than
maybe usual, similar to like howpeople did it like Western
States.
It's kind of kind of how we'reseeing this, this sport, go.
Regardless of the distance,people are putting themselves in
contention very early on.
The race doesn't start, youknow, at the third or fourth aid

(29:49):
station.
The race starts at the firstclimb and these girls are going
to be pushing it on the firstclimb, right off the bat.
I think that's going to resultin a time that's pretty close to
this course record.
I have a feeling to theseconditions.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
I think you're right.
I think we might be on courserecord watch for this week and
for the women's course record atleast.
Don't think the men's, I reallydon't, but for the women's
course record I think 602 tothat 604 range it's a stretch
like that's.
So that's hard to do.
But you gotta remember, likejazz did win last year in 6,
1505 and she wasn't like, I mean, she was push, but like, not

(30:26):
like, mally ran 622, 31 and thenthird place, cody, um kelvin
was 620, so about two minutesback.
Uh, mk was in the mix as well.
Lindsey allison and rubylindquist were kind of in the
mix but they were, all you know,15, 20 minutes back, um, you
know, 30 in some cases, like offof jazz, if you get a duel

(30:47):
between maybe great, like yougot, you also have like grayson
in the mix, you've got jenlichter, um, I think the level
of ladies in this race, I thinkwe'll get close.
I really do.
Do we get?
Did we get a new course record?
I mean maybe jazz, um, orjennifer or grayson, or one of
these like fantastic women, likegoes and absolutely smashes it

(31:09):
on the park.
It's possible, um, I just thinkthat's more likely to see a
women's course record go downthan the men's in my opinion I
agree I think that's totallypossible.
Um, yeah, so, so some otherthings to add to it, so that
mally noise um, interesting,she's a solomon freeski athlete.
Um, yeah, so that's why she wasbeing kind of hyped up a little

(31:30):
bit there in broken arrow.
There was some discussion, uh,at least around the golden trail
series, like they kind oftalked about her a little bit,
um, and there was just some somemedia around her.
Um, yeah, solomon free skiathlete.
So primary sport is is skiing, asecondary sport is running, but
she's a damn good runner man,like oh yeah three for three
finishes all in the top five,two second places, one in 24,

(31:52):
one in 22, and then fourth, uh,in 2020, her best time six 22.
So you know she very much showa contender for this podium like
easily uh, skiers race.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
I mean look, we have David Sinclair.
Yeah, I mean yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, and I think that this is just one of those
rare courses where there's a lotit's like there's a lot of
runnable climbs but there's alsoa lot of hiking like there's a
good amount of hiking in this.
So it's who's got like who'sand that ski strength really
matters.
It really translates in aparticular race like this.
Um, you know really yourability to endure those terrible
ups and downs of uh and thenbeing in the pain cave.

(32:31):
So, yeah, I think, yeah,there's this is a lot to this uh
.
Another person I do want topoint out, who you already
mentioned, was robin lesh.
Just very consistent, like oneof the things I really admire
about robin, like you said,eighth place the broken arrow uh
46k this year.
One speed goat 28k last year.
Very rarely is she not like inthe mix.
Like she's very much likeusually a very perennial top 10

(32:54):
contender in a lot of ways.
So, yeah, very much so.
One person you didn't mention Idid want to throw in there was
gwen rudy.
Uh, friend of the pod, we'vehad her on before trains out of
leadville.
She is a broken arrow triplecrown winner from 2022.
Um, she also set the courserecord at the uh run through
time half marathon this year, soit'd be fun to see her out

(33:14):
there mixing it up in in a muchlonger race.
Um, lindsay Allison doesintrigue me.
I'm very curious to see whatLindsay Allison does on this
course.
Uh, especially coming off ofbroken arrow, I think the fire
is definitely going to be there.
Um, yeah, and then, like wetalked about, I'm interested in
this group, like how graysonkind of falls in this like five,

(33:36):
you know the six hour range.
Uh, this more of a six to sevenhour range type of running.
Um, this will be by far herlongest run.
So I think it's it's the fearof the unknown, the wonder of
the unknown.
I think it's kind of cool.
I like seeing grace moving upinto the longer stuff, like it's
, um, you know, hopefully it's abetter fit for her or something
that she's excited to do youknow I wonder.

(33:58):
I'll never know what this islike, but to be so good at
something like so, so good andso talented, it's like why am I
gonna go run the vertical or theor the, you know, or the up
down slash mountain classicagain, when you know you have
the ability to explore more, youknow and maybe, maybe it's,
maybe it's less pressure.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
She's going into something where there's no
expectations for, so she cankind of just like do what she
wants and all the power to her.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, yeah no, and I I gotta applaud her for, like
you know, you got this big racein worlds at the end of
September and you're going totake some swings between now and
then to see, like, what sticks,what doesn't.
And you know, it's like one ofthose things where you know
she's so accomplished and justshe has so much experience but
it's like nothing reallyreplicates that race setting

(34:45):
where you got to take someswings at races beforehand to
get back into that.
You know that feeling andunderstanding like how that you
know what it's like to fuel onthat type of day Cause.
Like you, could do only so muchin training and I think that
she's like I said, I gotta, Igotta applaud her for taking
those swings and, you know,especially on a big stages like
this, and seeing where it comesout.
I know she had a tough day andthe day she didn't want to have

(35:06):
a broken arrow, like we had bothpicked her for easily first
place, um, just because namerecognition and just what she's
done throughout her career.
But you know, dude, we couldtotally be.
You know, I wouldn't besurprised at all if she goes and
wins.
You know, like, not at all.
Um, yeah, it's gonna be fun tofollow and, uh, yeah, I think
that's the ladies that intrigueme.
Janelle links as well.

(35:27):
She had a fourth place finishat broken arrow back in 2023 at
the 23k.
This year she did compete andtook eighth place at the broken
arrow scent.
Um, so much shorter.
Um, yeah, I mean, we'll see youknow, I'm excited to see kind
of her go out and compete.
Um, all right, let's talk aboutthe men.
The men's, like both, feelthese fields are so deep.
Man, um, I'll get into the men.

(35:49):
I'll jump on some of this.
Just the names that I just cameacross Michelino Senseri, ryan
Becker, timo Tollefsen, zachGardner, jeshrin Small Grant
Barnett, cole Campbell, adamMary, adam Loomis, our boy,
kieran Ney shout out to KieranNey, friend of the podcast.

(36:09):
Scott Klingonsmith, young gun,josh Potman.
And then Devin pancake Thanksfor letting me know Devin
pancake was in this race,because I did not.
I did not see that.
The name that stands out to mewhen you're when this is going
to be a math equation, right,it's like when we're looking at
this, we're looking at times,right, the only person that's

(36:33):
run under 520 in this entiregroup and, in fact, has run
really closer to 515 twice asmichelino um won the race back
in 2019.
He was a speed goat champion.
That's really what got him onthe map.
That's what got his namerecognition out there, dude.
I mean, back in 2019 he ran 514, 38 or 35.
I'm sorry, 514, 35 beat germain.
Germain was in that race, yeahshout out to our friend germain

(36:57):
uh, grandier I wish I couldspeak french, um, yeah, and then
also he took third place in2022.
I know he didn't have the racethat he wanted to, but still ran
516, 22 back in 2020.
That's fast, dude, that'sfaster than anybody, and so I
kind of look at it from a mathperspective.
Nobody in this entire group ofmen has run anything under 520.

(37:20):
And the fact that Michelino'sdone it twice gives me the
indication that if he's vintageMichelino that we've seen break
the Grand Teton record, winBroken Arrow 46K, back in 23.
If it's that Michelino, yeah,it's his raceeton record win,
broken arrow 46 K, back in 23.
Like, if it's that Michelino,yeah, he's that it's his race to
lose, in my opinion, like, Ithink Ryan Becker is supremely
talented, I think Zach Gardner,justin small, there's a lot of,
like Cole Campbell, there's alot of really talented guys in

(37:42):
this field.
But when you look at times like, for instance, like Ryan Becker
took third place last year and,um, sorry, he took third place
this year at the broken arrow46k, obviously seventh place,
yeah, seventh last year in 2024,but ran 549 49, that's, it's 30
minutes off of michelino's likeslowest time, um, tim tolfson,

(38:02):
tim tim's run close.
Like he took second in 2017 tothen course record uh breaker,
jim walmsley, um.
And he ran 523, 32.
And then the following yearcame back in 2018 and ran 537,
35 um.
Zach gardner is a big name.
He runs for norda um.
He's, I'd say, known enough uhfor being a wasatch guy.

(38:26):
He's a nord athlete and also hewon the Andorra 100 mile back
in 2023.
His fastest time on this is540.33.
Josh Small took fourth in 2023.
He's ran 537.22.
Grant Barnett took fifth inlast year, ran 545.56.

(38:47):
So you're starting to see atrend here.
Right, there's a lot of 525 tolike 545, but nobody really
sticks out to me that like the,the possibility of running
underneath 525 for at least thisyear at least.
I think like I could seemichelino going and winning it
and like, even if he runs 517,519, 520 um.

(39:07):
I don't think anyone's going tocome close to that.
He'll probably get it.
Have a nice padded lead um.
One person that does stand outto me.
I really like him both as aperson and just as a like, just
a really hard worker kind of guycalled campbell um didn't have
the race that he wanted thisyear at broken arrow but like is
so consistent uh, sixth placein 2024 at the 46k fourth place

(39:29):
in 2023, at the 46k ninth placethis year in probably what was
his most improved time,obviously, but like just just
you know this, he put himself init too.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
I know, like the first loop I saw him and he was
right up there with them andthen maybe just fell back.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, but this is tough man, I mean I got that
vibe from noah that like it wasjust it was car, like just it
was so many guys trying to buyfor the Brian Whitfield, like
just so many people trying tobuy for those spots.
Very deep, very deep.
Adam Mary, what's your thoughtson Adam Mary Like, what's your
take on him being in the field?
I know he took 19th place atBroken Arrow this year at the 46

(40:08):
K.
I think he's trying to gettransition more to like the
mountain stuff yeah, like whatdo you?

Speaker 2 (40:14):
yeah, I, I mean looking at, looking at his past
races and from what I know ofhim, he's never really been like
a.
It seemed like a more of amountain guy.
It's always been more of thatrunnable um type terrain, like a
western um.
So he's he's a big questionmark for me.
Um, he could go out very welland have a day.

(40:35):
Uh, he's a strong runner.
That's definitely one thingthat like stands out about him.
It's like he's strong.
In this race.
You need to be strong.
You can't be this like littlewimpy road runner or whatever.
Like this is a.
This is a true mountain race.
Uh, so, yeah, it's definitely aquestion mark, but he very well
could be in that top 10, top 10for sure.
We'll see.

(40:56):
For me it's six through.
10 is like all question marks.
It's anyone's game.
The top five, I feel like Ihave narrowed down a decent
amount, but again, this is sucha deep race, so it's just, it's
anyone's game.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, anyone's game.
Yeah, there's so much.
Yeah, there is a lot ofquestions marks like do we get
vintage tim tolson?
Like yeah, like tim, I can youstill pop on?
Yeah, well, the thing about itis like, dude, the last thing to
really like.
I'm not calling them old, but Iam saying like sorry, tip,
that's not an insult, but likewhat I was gonna say was like
the last thing to really go islike you might lose some top end

(41:28):
speed as you get into yourlater 30s, early 40s.
Like your vo2 goes down alittle bit but like also, vo2 is
not an indicator of who's goingto win this race.
It's.
There's a lot of other factorsand like, look at you know I
mean a lot of people want totalk about um, who just won hard
rock.
Um, the hoka athlete justtotally slipped my mind uh, uh.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
So it's the last thing right to the p ludovic,
ludovic pomeroy.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
It's been a long day, yeah, but like if you want to
like, and I'm not makingcomparisons at all, but ludovic,
if I remember correctly, he'sknocking on the door at 50 years
old and just can climb so welland just descend very well, like
so much that it made um likematthew blanchard, like back off
a little bit because he was toohard, so interesting.

(42:20):
So I mean, I think, um,obviously two very different
athletes, but I think, like,like I said, this might suit
someone like Tim a little bit,but he's had so many great
finishes at UTMB.
This is obviously just a verydifferent type of race, cause
there's so much vertical gain,so much hiking.
Um, and Tim's had, like I said,he's been on the podium twice
in this race, so wouldn't be atall surprised to see him off
there.
I'm curious, like Grant Barnetthas I don't want to say gone
full time, but pretty close toit, running for craft, like with

(42:44):
that extra time, we'll see if,like, he's been able to make
some improvements.
Like you know, grant is aninteresting case.
Like I really respect him a lot, both I really like him as a
human, but also like as anathlete.
Like he showed that he'sdeveloped and grown a lot.
Like he ran this race back in2019, 14th place, ran 628, 16.

(43:05):
Comes back for the first timelast year.
Takes fifth place in 2024 runs4, 5, 45, 56, so a good like
almost 40 something minutesfaster.
Like that's I gotta give him.
Yeah, that dad deserves hisflowers.
So just goes to show thedevelopment how much he's
improved as an athlete.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
It's really cool, um, another name, sorry, he just
the touch on him.
It looks like he's gearing upfor uh run, rabbit run later in
september.
So this seems like a like aproper tune-up.
Uh, he dnf'd at um at.
Where was that at canyonsearlier this year?
um probably went out with allthose other guys like everyone

(43:43):
did um, but yeah, it looks likehe sort of had a quieter year
won the 50k antelope islandbuffalo run.
Looks like that's a local onein march, but yeah, so it looks
like he's probably geared up andready to go.
I'm really excited to see whatGrant does.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
I'm a big Grant fan.
He's a wild boy, I really likehim.
That was one of my favoritepods.
Oh my god, Make ultra runningor trail running raunchy again.
I was like I'm going to getcanceled for this one.
What did you think of?
Adam?
Loomis is another one.
he's a local wasatch guy yes umeighth place in 2022 um ran 549,

(44:19):
21, and then fifth place in2021 ran 537, 44.
So another one of those.
Really there's a lot of reallyconsistent guys that are going
to compete for, like that sixththrough 10th spot, maybe even
fourth through 10th spot um,like very similar times.
We're going to see a lot oflike stacking, I think, just
everybody's ran around the sametime, if you will.

(44:39):
Most of like I said, the onlyoutlier really to me is, or one
of the big outliers is reallyMichelino.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Now I'm going to throw this out there Top five, I
think, is going to be 535.
If you want to be in the topfive, I think you have to run
like 535.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Is that fair to say, or is that?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
maybe pushing it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Okay, I'd say it's fair, damn my computer locked up
or I'd say like what thetraditional, or actually hold on
one second.
I'm kind of curious to see likewhat the podium was
historically.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Because you definitely have to go.
I think, with how deep thefield is this year, I think you
have to go under six to take top10.
For sure, because the women aregoing to be low sixes yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
I think that's fair.
You're right on the bubblethere.
So, like last year, davidHedges was fourth place and ran
538, 35.
Scott Patterson, who are weaware of?
Is Scott Patterson not on thelist for this year?

Speaker 2 (45:37):
I don't, I didn't see it, I didn't see him either.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
I just want to make sure I might go back and check,
just man, if he was yeah, scottpatterson's legit.
Um, scott patterson ran 532.
He's another one though 532,like it just goes to show you,
like dude, how I don't think.
I think sometimes people sleepon michelino.
But like the fact that, likesomeone like scott patterson,
his sam hendry adam peterman ran546 last year, like the fact

(45:59):
that like michelino goes likeliterally 516 and 514, like I
was under 520 twice, like that'sdude, like that's, that's world
class right there.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
So faster than kj.
No question about michelino.
Um, I know we talked.
When we talked in the brokenarrow preview, he didn't feel
like he was like 100 fit.
He was kind of like gearingback up.
Where where do we feel likehe's at now?
Is he he?

Speaker 1 (46:26):
hasn't I mean I know he's been.
He's been playing the world abunch.
I know he's signed up andplanning the race.
That's the best of my knowledge.
I text him this weekend he's outof service.
That's over right now, whichmakes me feel like, since that
he's out of service, I wouldguess that and I I don't know.
I asked francesco, like he andI, I talked to francesco more
than I talked to michelino.
Shout out to francesco guys, ifyou want to listen to a really

(46:47):
good podcast, listen to uhchasing trail by uh teddy tonel
anyway um, yeah, in my opinion.
Um, like francesco hadn't heardfrom him either, so that's my
guess is that he's he's, he'sdoing what he did before, like
the grand, and maybe sleeping uphigh getting used to the
altitude?
Um, maybe maybe being out ofservice a little bit dedicated

(47:08):
yeah oh yeah, dude, he's amountain ninja.
Um yeah, so that's my guess.
So if that's the case, then mymy opinion would be he's just.
Uh, we might be in for similarperformance of like 20, 2022 or
20 exciting yeah, um, yeah, letme go back.
I got some other numbers, so welooked at, we looked at the

(47:30):
podium from last year.
Like I said, 532.
So if you want to get in thetop three, you're gonna want to
run under somewhere under 535 soyeah, that would be my guess in
2023.
Christian won this racesurprisingly a little slower.
He ran 523, 37, uh.
Nick handel ran 530, adrianmcdonald ran 531 and Josh ran

(47:53):
537.
So I mean, with Josh comingback, 537 is his fastest time.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
He was eighth, also in 2018, and ran 607.
So he's another one Like lookhow much he's improved 607 all
the way down to 537.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Even in these last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Yeah, since he's moved to Boulder, I feel like,
which was like two-ish years ago, he wasn't based out of, like,
I think, golden before, um, yeah, he's kind of went to a new
level, he's, he's one to watchand I'm excited for josh it's
really interesting because, likeI think temperature is probably
going to play a big rolebecause, like I can remember
videos of christian sweatingpretty bad and like it was
pretty exposed, um, so yeah, ifit's a cooler year, like we

(48:34):
could see some, you know, Ithink we could see go under 520
and this is why I I'm gonna putsalt lake guys at an advantage
here for this race.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
They're used to that heat like it's.
Yeah, it's hot on the frontrange in colorado, but you can
go up the road 20 minutes andit's 20 degrees cooler and
whatever.
That's what I always do, atleast.
Um, but like these guys aretraining like it's, it's 100
plus degrees in salt lake and ifyou're climbing out of there
like you're ready for this race,it's big time.
I mean, I noticed that attwisted fork it was all the

(49:07):
satellite guys that trained inthe heat.
They were up at the top,surprised.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
So I expect that here as well.
Finn's home cooking dude best,yeah, um, yeah, trying to think
of who else I didn't mention.
I did mention kieran, nay, um,no history with this race, but
also did run.
This year he ran 448 23 atbroken arrow at the 46k.
Not the day he wanted, but likestill, 446 448 23 is pretty

(49:35):
damn fast on that.
Oh yeah, that's no joke.
Um, so definitely capable of atop 10 position um names I got,
I got here too.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Uh, alex proctor um, he's out of salt lake as well.
Young kid um just broke, Ibelieve him, and finn went at it
.
Um, uh, I think it was thatantelope island race 50 mile,
yeah, yeah 50 mile, yeah, and he.
I think he broke.
No, he did, he broke the court.
I think they both broke the oldcourse record that was set by.

(50:03):
Oh, I had it and I lost it umit was some prominent jameel no,
no, I remember who, but anyway,really solid race.
He's on the up and up.
He's 24, 25 years old.
Um, very well, could see him inthe top 10, uh, andrew, uh, nat
pick he I raced against him,kept it right a bit in 2023 at

(50:25):
Zerk series.
Yep, he is partners or marriedto, uh, just sell slop, I
believe.
I don't know if they're stilltogether.
They were at the time, um, andand then, uh, henry harris as
well.
He's a colorado guy, um, kindof pretty known, I feel like,
throughout the colorado scene.
He's kind of always up there.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
He's always competitive, um, yeah, so it
turns out salida he doesn't missmuch.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, he's no, he races very tough like reason.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
If I remember correctly, he did get it either
one or got on the podium.
I'm tough.
Last year like did some longerstuff and then I'm glad to see
him back.
You know he helped out a bunchwhen david um david hedges ran
hedges yeah, did his.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Uh, nolan's 14 record he was very involved with it
yeah, yeah, yeah, he yeahyounger kid in the sport, I
think he's maybe around my ageme, 29, 30 but has been at it
for a while.
I feel like like so very wellcould see something out of him.
Tyler Fox is another one.
I believe he's living inWyoming now, but he used to be a
Boulder guy.
I think he was a Rocky MountainRunners guy.

(51:27):
He was affiliated with them fora while.
Has a lot of really greatresults and he's a coach.
I don't think he's hit a homerun in the past couple years,
but very well can see somethingout of him.
He's.
He has segments all overboulder super solid.
But yeah, I think that's.
I think I listed.
You listed everything that Ihad and I just added to it.
But yeah, if there's anything,else.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
I think we're good.
I think we're good.
Uh, I do want to, like I said,give us, give a shout out to the
three young guns.
Kieran nay, who's?
I feel like I can't call itkieran a young gun.
Even as a young man you gottaremember, I'm ancient dude.
I brought my cane with me tothis experience of this
conversation.
So you know, as an old guy Ican say, uh, look out for the
young guns.
But scott cling on smith umdevin pancake and uh, kieran nay

(52:12):
, are the the young guys that Ithink are worth looking out for?
All right, let's do women'spodium.
I'll let you take it awayWomen's podium.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, I'll start.
I'll go from five to one.
In fifth I have Mally Noyes,fourth I have Emma Clark.
Third I have Grayson Murphy.
Second I have Jasmine Lotherand first I have Jennifer Lifter
.
I, I have Jasmine Lowther, andfirst I have Jennifer Lifter.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
I think we have the same podium.
It's pretty close, I had onlywritten down top three but like
on a side, so fifth place.
Fifth place this year.
I'm going to go Mally Noyes.
Fourth place I'm going.
Lindsay Allison Improves by onespot but probably has, like
it's a deeper field.
So I'm going.

(53:00):
Lindsay Allison improves by onespot but probably has like it's
a deeper field, so I'm sure shehas a much faster time.
Third place I'm going GraysonMurphy.
Second place I'm going JasmineLouther Um.
First place Jen Lichter, um.
And the only reason is like.
Jasmine we got to rememberJasmine's a defending champion
ran this race last year.
Um had an amazing race, I thinkit's it's between Jen Jasmine
and like and like um.
I don't know how grayson's gonnarace this race like how

(53:20):
aggressively?
So I think that's the bigquestion there I could see
aggressive too.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, I 100 because she knows it.
Yeah, I could see graysonpushing it out and taking the
lead like early on and kind ofset the tone, and then jen and
jasmine will probably make theirmoves because they yeah, like
watching Jen put on absoluteclinic at Broken Arrow um like
makes me feel like maybe she'lldo the same thing.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
I don't know, maybe she has like reverence and like
more respect for this coursejust because she's she didn't
win it last time around.
Um, I don't know.
Like that's a really she's areally fierce competitor.
Like I have a lot of respectfor her and like really like
admire Jen Lictor, like uh, yeah, so I don't know, like I I just
feel like, um, given off thatbroken arrow, uh, you know, just

(54:05):
after that broken arrowperformance, like just yeah, I
think this is a squad of ladiesthat will get significantly
closer to the course record.
I think I think we might be oncourse record watch for this
year, like I said, if it stayscool I mean you said it's going

(54:25):
to be cloudy, it's going to bewhat high sixties.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Low of the forties.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
It's possible, it's very possible very possible.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
If I mean, if the sun doesn't like sun plays such a
big factor out there, if it'sstate sun stays in and it's
cloudy, uh, we might have a,like you know, a really speedy
day out there and yeah.
So honorable mentions I do wantto give some honorable mentions
.
Um, robin lesh is one of thehonorable mentions I do want to
throw out there, just like soconsistent um, uh, gwen Gwen

(54:56):
Rudy.
Sarah Beal I think Sarah Bealis a big one to keep an eye on,
um, just because she has so muchconsistency.
Um, you know, 12th at thebroken arrow, 46 K this year.
Six, the canyons uh, secondlast year at the Pikes Peak
marathon, 2024.
So a lot of consistency there.
Someone I would expect tocompete honorable mention for.
You know, top 10 easily.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Let's talk men yeah, men, again about fit the first.
Uh, ours might be a little bitdifferent here, just because I
feel like the men's was this istough, this is tough.
Uh, fifth, I have grant barnett.
He was fit last year.
Uh, cole campbell fourth, thirdryan becker, second jessren
small and first Cole Campbell.
Fourth, third Ryan Becker,second Jeshrin Small and first

(55:38):
Nicolino Sinceri.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
It's like basically the same.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Really.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
So close, yeah.
So fifth, I'm going to go GrantBarnett Same.
Fourth, I'm going to go thistime Jesh.
Third, I'm going Cole Campbell.
I think Cole Campbell has a dayout there.
I wouldn't be surprised if ColeCampbell like wins the race,
like if, like I just I reallyliked that guy.
I just something about him,like his work ethic, just like

(56:01):
not that other guys don't havecrazy work ethic Like Cole
Campbell just struck me as aparticular hard worker.
In second place, I'm going to goRyan Becker I don't know, I
think Be or out of anybody justas the most approved on this day
, just because, like yes, he hadseventh place last year, took
seventh place last year, butlike you got to remember, like
Ryan has dealt with Achillesissues for a very long time and

(56:23):
like last year was kind of agift for him, like he didn't
really know what, how thingswere going to unfold, and he was
able to kind of you know, thisyear is obviously on a heater.
Last year ran what was it?
547 or 549, if I remembercorrectly, I think Ryan is
capable of going in the 520s andmaybe under.
I think, if there's anybodythat can stick with Michelino,
you got to remember, last yearwe had the duel between

(56:45):
Michelino and Ryan at the 50K,where Michelino beat him by 10
or 15 minutes or something likethat.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
So we'll see.
You know, like just goes toshow you like what a, what a, if
michelino was at full michelinomode, um, what would have
happened between him and eli and, uh, david sinclair this year?
I think, I think it would havebeen a different, it might have
been a different conversation.
You know, like I don't know,becker had the race of his life.
Um, like I think, uh, noahwilliams made a comment that

(57:15):
like damn, like you know, at thetime, like becker had the race
of his life, um, like I think,uh, noah williams made a comment
that like damn, like you know,at the time, like becker made a
move, apparently on one of theearly climbs, and like no, it
was like yeah, I, I that's aballsy move I'm not gonna do
that sure shit.
He stuck it.
So yeah, I, I like, I like thatryan races like um, like safe
money don't make money.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
So yeah, yeah ryan was.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Ryan was first team all violence there and hopefully
first team all violence at thisone.
So hopefully.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
I mean, yeah, it's.
He's got to have so muchconfidence he's going to be.
I bet he is the most confidentperson on that starting line.
I'm not kidding, I bet he isyeah.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
I mean we'll see.
Um, yeah, I'm just like I don'tknow.
I, I, I got to get in his heada little bit Cause he, he seemed
like just the emotion and justlike everything, just to finally
get that monkey off your backand like have a knock one out of
the park Like he, he's been duefor it.
So Ryan's- another one.
Ryan could win this race, dude.
You know, like I, I think he's.
He really came up another levelwith that performance of broken

(58:11):
arrow performance of brokenarrow.
So you know, we'll see if um,this is a much different course,
this is a bit of a differentbeast.
So we'll see um in first place.
I have to stick with Michelinoand the only reason is, like I
said I keep coming back to themath the only person to ever go
under two 20, um to do to gounder two 20 twice, that's in
this field.
Um right.

(58:36):
That's right, and he is the onlychampion in the field as well.
514 and then runs 516 in 2022.
So a lot of consistency too.
You know like to run 516 andrun 514.
Um, just really sticks out tome.
You know, even on a bad day.
I know he dropped one of theyears too.
If I remember correctly, itmight have been 20.
I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe it was 22 the year he gotthird.
I don't know, that might be badinformation, but I can't

(58:57):
remember Honorable mentions.
I'm going Tim Tolson Guy couldsee him in the top five.
Wouldn't be surprised.
Like I said, his best year wasin 2017, where he ran 223.
Grandpa Arnett, zach Gardner,and I think I already named
Grandpa Arnett in fifth place.
So, yeah, that's that's kind ofmy, my mix, if you will.

(59:17):
Um, yeah, it's going to be agreat race.
Man, I, I, I think this is likea.
This is a very stacked 50 Kfield.
I think a lot of really solidathletes, um, really excited to
see what's going to happen inthe women's race.
Like I said, there's a reallystrong possibility.
We get to, uh, get to get toclose to that that course record
, and it would be cool to see awoman go under six hours in this
race.
I think.
I think there's a lot of ladiesthat are capable of doing it,

(59:39):
so it's just a matter of gettingyou know people having the
right day, so cool.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Well, are we going to have a live stream for this?
I feel like typically there'snot one.
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
That's actually something.
I would hope so, but maybe not,I don't know Cause.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
to be honest, they have decent service in the
Canyon there.
I feel like I normally haveservice on there.
So hopefully one of these yearseventually they get something,
cause this would be a fun one.
Cause, like we were sayingearlier, the course is pretty
condensed for the most part, solike capable of doing it, and
the trails are smoothing upwhere you can have someone you

(01:00:14):
know whipping around on a bike.
Um, maybe not on the climbs buton the descents I'm on their
website now and I'm not seeinganything.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
But just because I'm not seeing anything doesn't mean
there actually isn't one.
I don't follow them oninstagram.
I don't really follow youtubeand be on instagram either, um,
but like I just and that'sthat's a different conversation.
But like I, yeah, I would.
It says click here to I don'tknow, maybe I'm wrong dude.
It just says click here tofollow the speed goat mountain
races.
So maybe there is, I don't knowif they're live tracking.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Live tracking is pretty good on the UTV website.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Yeah, I just see live tracking.
Okay.
So no, I can confirm there isno live stream, because if it
was, it would say stream livestreaming.
There is a few like, forinstance, like the Cat 100 by
UTMB that's on August 9th isjust live tracking, but like if
it shows like Hoka, utmbMontblanc on there August 31st
and it says live stream as well.

(01:01:09):
So this one is just livetracking.
Cool, they should get a livestream, though.
That would be cool, they should, you know game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Cool.
They should get a live stream,though.
That would be cool.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
They should Get Mountain Outpost out there to do
something.
That'd be dope, that'd beawesome.
Well, nicholas, thank you somuch for joining.
As always, I appreciate you andthis was a great one.
Cheers to many more.
I think these are pretty safepicks.
I think we'll be, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
so I got to submit my free trail because I'm feeling
pretty confident about this one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Yeah, I think so.
I think so.
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