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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Are you interested in learning more about body
sugaring?
Or are you a sugar professionalwho already knows how to sugar,
but you are looking for betterways to kick up your business?
Welcome to the Sugar ShowPodcast.
I'm your host, shannon theSugar Momma, and, as a fellow SD
who learned to sugar 11 yearsago and tripled my solo skincare
(00:26):
business, I want to share notonly my sugaring wisdom but
introduce you to my network offriends who are masters in their
fields and want to help youexpand your sugaring business.
Let's get started.
Welcome back to this episode ofthe Sugar Show.
I am so excited for season five.
You have already now metRoddick of Roddick Lab, and this
(00:51):
is really cool because we're inour new podcast studio and
we're going to be bringing toyou not only new information on
the microbiome and healthy skin,as you've been hearing, but
also some of our educators thatare around the country now and
really just everything that youneed to know about sugar, from
(01:12):
how to start to how to get yourtechnique and your business
better.
So I invited one of oureducators, tahina Rock, onto
this episode of the show,because Tahina has been with me.
She was a student of when wewere called iSugar University,
and she not only just learnedhow to sugar, but she is killing
(01:34):
it out in New York.
So you're going to meet Tahinaand just understand why we love
her as much as you all will.
Really, to take your businessfrom being a successful salon to
then becoming an educator istruly something that you have to
A know deep in your heart thatyou really want to do and, b you
(01:56):
have to be really good ateducating.
So it's one thing to be areally good sugar practitioner
and another thing to actuallyknow how to teach someone how to
take that ball out of the jar,how to mold and flick that sugar
onto the skin and off the skin,how to work with different body
parts and differentpersonalities.
And to educate anotheresthetician or cosmetologist
(02:20):
about how to do that is truly,truly something that is not very
easy for everyone to do.
So I know a lot of people wantto be an educator.
So something to think about andwe will talk about in years to
come about what it takes to bean educator.
But Tahina is here today totalk about education in general
and also about her experienceswith this new paste.
(02:43):
So, tahina Rock, welcome to theshow, my girl.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Hi Shannon, how are you?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Always good, good, good.
I'm happy to have that.
Yeah, yeah, you'll see somevideos of Tahina.
She spent time with us in NewYork.
When we met Roddick, she waswith us, and what did you think
about this new company when youfirst met him?
What was your experience in NewYork with us?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
It was so amazing.
It was definitely an enjoyableexperience.
I will always cherish that,those couple of days that we had
together.
It was a lot of information, alot of knowledge, just a new way
of thinking about sugar and thewhole removal process.
And he is just so sweet.
I know, right and that is whatI appreciate the most how sweet
(03:33):
and caring and he really wantsto make sugar at its best and
not short change and cut corners.
It really it was a greatexperience.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
He is brilliant and I know you got that feeling from
him too.
I felt like we were two littlestudents just learning for the
first time some of the knowledgebombs that he was dropping on
us.
We have learned so much and I'mso glad that you could be on
this journey with me and withhim and starting to educate the
East Coast folks about yoursugar.
(04:08):
So let's start with Bear BodiesAcademy.
How you know, we've interviewedyou before about your success
with Bear Bodies in New York.
Tell us a little bit about yourexperience as a salon owner and
what kind of compelled you tobecome an educator and start
(04:30):
Bear Bodies Academy.
I know that's a big question,but just kind of help us to
understand your journey there.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
So when I started Bear Bodies and started sugaring
, it was something that I knewthat was gonna set me apart in
this industry.
Right, like everyone was waxingwhich is great, there's nothing
wrong with that but I justwanted to be do something
different and I fell in lovewith sugar.
And then I fell in love with,you know, at the time I sugar
university and just all of it asa whole, and when I started
(04:59):
there was only three sugaristsin New York.
So it was one of those thingswhere I was just like, oh my God
, like I have done it, and atthat time no one knew what sugar
was.
And fast forward.
You know, seven, eight yearslater now sugar is this thing in
New York but unfortunatelythere wasn't like real education
(05:21):
behind it in New York.
It wasn't even like on yourlicense, it didn't matter really
up until a couple of years agoCOVID and there was just this
demand that I saw that wasneeded for our sugar educators
and just getting properlyeducated in sugar.
(05:42):
And that's when I decided to doBare Body Sugar Academy.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So exciting.
So for those of you that havenot been to Bare Bodies, she has
an actual separate academy.
It's beautiful, it hastreatment rooms, it has theory
space and I mean you're not justteaching girl, you are a true
academy, you are a facility thatpeople can come and learn all
(06:09):
about sugar.
What kind of drew you toopening a whole academy, opposed
to just kind of mobile teaching?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Because I feel like when you're in a classroom
setting, you're in that space,you can receive the information,
something about just puttingthat education back hat on
versus being mobile.
There's nothing wrong withmobile right, I will still go
and teach and educate but it'salmost like taking yourself out
of your regular comfort zone andgetting back into that school
(06:41):
mentality of educating andlearning.
And that was really what thepush was for me to say we need a
separate space, we needsomeplace where you're free to
make mistakes and to learn fromyour experiences, versus you
have to get it all right in yourspace.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, for sure.
What are you seeing that thestudents are like having kind of
the most trouble with, and then, like you kind of see them come
up and out of it, like whenthey first start sugaring,
because I think there's somepeople that don't sugar and
they're kind of wondering, likewhat it's gonna be like to get
certified.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So everyone always struggles with mold and flick.
That is always.
You know, I can do theory, wecan talk about body parts, how
to sugar, but mold and flick iswhere people usually get hung up
on.
But once you get it, it just,it opens up, it just everything
just clicks.
(07:35):
It makes so much sense when youfinally get mold and flick.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And that usually takes.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
if you're practicing and listening to the techniques
that I show you and the trainingand I do coaching weekly on top
of classes If we're doing itand consistent, you'll get it in
about two weeks.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, for sure.
What we are loving doing isTahina now is combining the
online body certification bodysugaring certification program,
combining that with her hands-on.
So what's really great aboutthat is that consistent
education that you'll get onlineand then coming into perfect
your skills with Tahina.
(08:15):
Is it's really the one-twopunch, I think?
Are you seeing people reallyjust walking that way?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, so doing both right, Because if you think you
have the education at the tip ofyour fingertips, you can watch
it on the go at work.
You can really sit down andtake your time with it.
By the time you get into me,we're really just perfecting.
We're really just making surethat the mold and flick is right
, right, Working out whateverkinks we need to work out so
(08:43):
that you can be proficient andyou can feel successful when you
go into a treatment room.
So between the online andin-person, it's the perfect
combination for a successfulsugarest.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah yeah, I'm loving it.
Thank you for opening your mindto that, because you were
teaching all hands-on all thetime, so you would sugar all day
long and then in the eveningsbring all these people in and be
teaching them everything fromtheory and history and anatomy
of the skin, all the way throughpracticing.
So I love that we can be superefficient together and help
(09:18):
people before they even get toyou?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yes, of course, and it's so funny because they need
that refresh your online,because I noticed, if you've
been out of a static school fora couple of years now, some of
this stuff you need a refreshyour on and then you watch it
online and then I come in and Ireiterate everything that
happens online and then we roll.
It really is the perfectpairing.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah, I love it.
Okay, so in the very beginning,when you started Bare Bodies
Sugaring Academy, you had adifferent product that you used
lemon, sugar, water, usual paste, cleanser powder, the whole
thing.
You trained everyone awesome,the way you do.
And then we introduced you toRadic and now you've been using
(10:04):
his product now for a couple ofmonths.
What are?
Are you seeing a difference inyour clients and in your
students being able to use it?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
So I do see a difference with the clients and
the students I'm gonna say theclients first.
You see, there's less reaction.
The hairs come out, they comeall the way out.
It is not.
You're not going over andcausing more irritation with the
consistent going over the samearea over and over and the grow
(10:33):
back.
It's so much less, I know, andless irritation and less
breakouts and less in groans andless issues.
So you know my I already doBrazilians and other services
quickly, but going into aservice with my clients now one
(10:54):
minute, two minute tops.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
You're the fastest sugar in the west in the east,
not the west in the east.
You are fast.
I mean I thought I was fast,but you are fast.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And that comes in time and practice.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Right right?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well, this is sugar.
Five days a week, I'm down todoing these studio performances
now.
I think the fastest I probablygot it was about six minutes.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, but that's also , like you know, if you think
about it, your client coming inand being consistent and doing
the home care and all that jazzright.
And that's the other thing thatI love about Radic right, like
the home care right, the intreatment care, you know,
between the sugar and therosewater toner, the rosewater
aftercare and the pre-cleansing,all of it all works and you can
(11:42):
see the change.
You can.
You know, the skin is hydratedand it looks so much better.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Are you finding?
I think what I'm finding when Iuse this line on my clients is
that I thought I knew whathealthy skin looked like and I
thought that I was doing abeautiful job sugaring on my
clients and then I didn't tellthem Did you just bring it on
your clients?
I didn't tell them I wasswitching.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So there was a few clients that noticed the
difference when I made theswitch and then we had that
conversation and then there weresome clients that did not.
But I purposely tried to like,oh no, everything's fine,
Everything's great.
Especially some of my Agnatedclients that you know just
always had trouble issues.
They no longer have issues, soit has definitely like they've
(12:33):
now see this.
They say, whatever you're using, keep using it, yeah.
And even like when I'm aftercare, I say, all right, I'm
going to spray this pre and postprobiotic on you.
And they look at me like DrThing oh yeah, we're going to
make sure that you know, all thegood bacteria is back on this.
Like I give them the whole feeland it's the beautiful,
(12:55):
beautiful transition it reallyhas it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah for sure, educating your clients on that
next level kind of you know wetalk about it in Sugar Mama's
Beauty Club, my shop.
We talk about like we'reupgrading your sugaring.
So we've been sugaring for along time in our area and now we
talk to clients about upgradingtheir sugar experience and of
course, everyone wants to beupgraded right.
And so I've found that when Isee how healthy the skin is and
(13:23):
then they come back and it'samazing to me how, if we just
are balancing and nourishing andsupporting the health of the
skin and the microbiome, Ididn't even know that was a
thing and we've talked aboutthat the last couple of weeks.
Like I thought pre and pro andpost biotics were for the gut
only, which I love people towork on their gut health, but
(13:46):
once we started learning aboutthe health of the skin
microbiome, I really see adifference and I really love
that you have taken your Academyto the next level to educate
your students now.
So how are your students doinggrasping all of the science?
It's a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
It's a lot, but you know they really appreciate it,
Like if you really, if you're anesthetician, right Like?
Or a cosmetologist or a waxer,you want your client's skin To
reflect your knowledge and yourwork, right?
We're not just removing thehair.
Removing the hair is one piece.
That's really maybe 1% of it,right, If you weren't thinking
(14:27):
about it.
It's the health of the skin andthey really are tapped into
understanding why it's importantto treat the skin after, pre
and post hair removal.
That is what's really important, yeah for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So you had quite a few students come through your
facility there, your Academy.
Tell me about some of yourfavorite students and the
successes that they're seeing.
Is there some stories that thatyou can share with us about
being a student?
We've got a lot of studentsthat are in the audience and
we've got a lot of people likeme that haven't been back to
school for a really long time.
(15:03):
So what are you are my successstory.
By the way, I talk about allthe time my sweet friend and
watching you grow and be a sweetsuccess story has.
Just, it's been an honor tospend time with you and now that
you're educating for us, it'slike it's like double whammy.
Yeah, I just you're just,you're a really, really special
(15:26):
person for me and so I'm reallyglad to have you on the podcast
and as an educator with us.
But let's talk about yourstudents.
Like, do you have some folksthat are really killing it now
that they're learning and haveboosted their Definitely.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I have one out in Jersey.
She started with me and she'sclients out the door and she
opens her own studio.
She's in a suite.
You know she's really killingit.
I have another student who youknow.
She originally she was originalstudent when I was teaching wax
a long time ago and then shecame on to the sugar train and
(16:05):
she's sugaring as well and verysuccessful.
We do, you know, one on onemeeting.
Still they still reach out.
So I'm still, I'm still veryhands on, but not in the sense
of, you know, teaching anymoreis just really hearing their
stories and seeing what theyneed and really, you know,
helping them get to whateverlevel they want to.
(16:26):
But everyone has been whoeverhas come here, whatever they put
their mind through to, they getto the next level always.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Do you think that it's growing in New York now or
have you guys kind of corneredthe market and like what is the
aesthetic layout of New Yorkspecifically?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well, there are a lot of sugars popping up, so that's
a good thing.
I have trained quite a bit ofthem, so that's a good thing as
well.
But yeah, I think in New York,it's time for move, wax out the
way and let the sugars to whatwe need to do, because you are
the option.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, put down that wax stick.
It kind of surprises meactually that people still wax.
You know now that we can.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
We can thank the big chains for that.
They still try and make it.
You know this thing, you know.
But eventually, when you knowwhat's right and what's best,
you do come over.
You come over to the sweet side.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So I love that, I love that.
And so you have these studentsthat come through.
What's your biggest advice tothem?
They've just learned how tomold and flick Like.
What's your, what's your kindof aspiring entrepreneur advice
for your students when you sendthem off into the on their own?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I always tell them that you're a forever student.
You always have to keeplearning and growing.
Once you stop learning andgrowing, you're done and that's
and that's not.
That's not.
You can't never be finished,right?
If you think about the beautyindustry, something's always
happening, something's alwayschanging.
So I always tell them to stay aforever student, be hungry for
(18:14):
knowledge, and that is whatmakes you successful.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, yeah.
What is the best part aboutyour job?
Education and and estheticianand entrepreneur.
What is the best part aboutwhat you love to do every day?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
The best part of what I love is with the students is
when the lights turn on.
That's what I call it.
When the lights turned on andthey're like, oh, I got it, I
got it right, and that joy andthe you know they're like OK, so
I figured it out and I and nowI'm just working on like getting
my body parts and maneuveringbetter Right.
That is what makes I'm like,yes, like you finally crossed
(18:49):
the line right With in service,just really seeing the skin
change.
You know I'm such a sciencenerd and I love really like skin
change and changing for thebetter, right.
Like I love a client that haslike all these issues right,
they're coming someplace fromsomewhere else and they have all
(19:11):
these issues and in two tothree sessions you can see a
drastic change.
So that always keeps me goingand as far as entrepreneur, you
got to have thick skin to fightin that game and that is also a
very you know, knowledge basedtransition in life.
(19:31):
But it's a skill set, it's yougot to put your business hat on.
So, as much as we love you knowthe science and the art of
beauty because we do it's artright but you have to put your
business hat on and do all thebusiness things that come to
play when it comes to being anentrepreneur.
So that has also been somethingthat I really do appreciate.
(19:53):
And with having you as a mentor, right, there's things that you
taught me along the way thatI'm like oh yeah, we're going to
do that, because Shannon saidlet's do this Right, because
because you've been doing thisso much longer, so for me I can
turn and say well, shannon, whatdo you think?
And you give me the answer.
I go OK, we're going to do thatand it works Right.
(20:13):
So you know, that's been alsolike a blessing to having great
mentors Right, like you are agreat mentor to me.
So I mean I just love the wholeprocess.
It's you have, you have to, youhave to want it, you have to
want it.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Oh, absolutely.
And you have to be open andwilling.
You know I love that you areopen and willing to learn.
You are open and willing tohear, you know, critique or
maybe a shift in the way thatyou do your business.
You know, in the very beginning, when you were starting out, I
remember you're like, oh, whatdo I do?
You know, do I do this?
Do I do that?
You expanded really fast andthen thought, ok, that's, that's
(20:52):
not the smartest thing, let'sget, let's work smarter, not
harder and get tight.
And you were really open to toreally learning and listening
and listening to the podcast andand and growing, and I think
it's you summed it up.
I mean you really have toalways be a student.
Lord knows I have this.
Last year, when I met Roddickand I know you have, because we
thought we knew everything aboutsugar and boy, we didn't.
(21:14):
And and that's been really funto be a part of that journey
with you too, because it's beenfun to learn together.
Yeah, Teachers can learn too allthe time.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That's what makes us great teachers.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Right, right, okay.
So what is next for Tahina,rock and Bear Bodies?
What is next for you?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well, bear Bodies is we're working on just continuing
educating, continuing services,clients.
We're really just enjoying andhaving fun with where we are
right now and we really are likeputting the focus on education.
So that is where we're reallyat right now.
So in service, I mean we'regreat, but that's we do that
(21:56):
when I sleep.
It's really the education thatwe're really pushing and
focusing right now.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, yeah.
So Tahina is going to be notonly educating in the New York
area for us, but she is such aphenomenal educator.
I'm going to be tapping intoher to come to other states and
doing some of the cool stuffthat we're doing together to
really spread the word and helppeople to learn.
So, tahina, I'm excited to dosome road trips with you Of
(22:24):
course we're going to have fun.
We had fun when I was in NewYork, so we're going to take
that trip on the road.
I love it.
I love it.
Thank you so much for not onlybeing on podcast again, because
your original sweet successstory you were at a completely
different place with yoursuccess and you have taken it to
(22:45):
the next level.
But thank you for you know, Ithink what's really important in
this life is when you findsomething that makes your heart
happy and you become reallyskilled at is to pay it forward.
And that's what you're doing andthat's what we're trying to do
with love to sugar.
We're trying to get everyone tolearn to sugar, as I say, so
(23:08):
they will love to sugar, and Ijust love that you are realizing
that it's not just about youmaking the most money you can
out of your salon and notsharing any of your wisdom.
Really, what you've done iswhat we should all do in life is
work together.
Is, you know, not compete andrealize that there's plenty of
(23:29):
business for all of us, and it'sreally been fun to watch you
truly embody that and realizethat, like, we're all in this
together and our job as reallygood sugar pros is to spread
that message.
So I'm really grateful that youget the message and the kind of
the motto and the vibe thatlove to sugar is going for,
(23:52):
which is really just to justspread the passion of sugar.
I know you're having fun withthat.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I really.
You know, when I came in thisindustry I didn't realize it was
so competitive until I was inthe industry.
And I agree, like I just wannaspread the joy of sugaring.
And it's not a competition,we're a sisterhood and we all
gotta work together.
And I don't.
I am tired after doing 20 to 30clients a day and that is my
(24:21):
max right.
So I, if I'm only doing 20 to30, there's a billion people in
this world.
You can have a piece of thispie too.
So I 100% agree.
I really think that we need towork together as a team and
really pay it forward.
I mean, why not?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Thank you so much for being onthe episode, Ms Fang.
I look forward to interviewingyou many more times and to
sharing you with our sugaringcommunity.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Thank you so much.
You're welcome girl.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Okay, everyone, stay tuned for the next episode of
the Sugar Show podcast, where webring you wizards like Tahina
and Roddick.
We are going to really justwork on your business, your
technique, your understanding ofwhy you're doing what you're
doing, and the idea is to justmake sure that you are working
(25:14):
smarter, not harder, and thatthat beautiful ball of sugar is
helpful for you and your clients.
I look forward to sharing mynext episode with you and, in
the meantime, have a sweet week.
Are you interested in learning more about body
sugaring?
Or are you a sugar professionalwho already knows how to sugar,
but you are looking for betterways to kick up your business?
Welcome to the Sugar ShowPodcast.
I'm your host, shannon theSugar Momma, and, as a fellow SD
who learned to sugar 11 yearsago and tripled my solo skincare
(00:26):
business, I want to share notonly my sugaring wisdom but
introduce you to my network offriends who are masters in their
fields and want to help youexpand your sugaring business.
Let's get started.
Welcome back to this episode ofthe Sugar Show.
I am so excited for season five.
You have already now metRoddick of Roddick Lab, and this
(00:51):
is really cool because we're inour new podcast studio and
we're going to be bringing toyou not only new information on
the microbiome and healthy skin,as you've been hearing, but
also some of our educators thatare around the country now and
really just everything that youneed to know about sugar, from
(01:12):
how to start to how to get yourtechnique and your business
better.
So I invited one of oureducators, tahina Rock, onto
this episode of the show,because Tahina has been with me.
She was a student of when wewere called iSugar University,
and she not only just learnedhow to sugar, but she is killing
(01:34):
it out in New York.
So you're going to meet Tahinaand just understand why we love
her as much as you all will.
Really, to take your businessfrom being a successful salon to
then becoming an educator istruly something that you have to
A know deep in your heart thatyou really want to do and, b you
(01:56):
have to be really good ateducating.
So it's one thing to be areally good sugar practitioner
and another thing to actuallyknow how to teach someone how to
take that ball out of the jar,how to mold and flick that sugar
onto the skin and off the skin,how to work with different body
parts and differentpersonalities.
And to educate anotheresthetician or cosmetologist
(02:20):
about how to do that is truly,truly something that is not very
easy for everyone to do.
So I know a lot of people wantto be an educator.
So something to think about andwe will talk about in years to
come about what it takes to bean educator.
But Tahina is here today totalk about education in general
and also about her experienceswith this new paste.
(02:43):
So, tahina Rock, welcome to theshow, my girl.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Hi Shannon, how are you?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Always good, good, good.
I'm happy to have that.
Yeah, yeah, you'll see somevideos of Tahina.
She spent time with us in NewYork.
When we met Roddick, she waswith us, and what did you think
about this new company when youfirst met him?
What was your experience in NewYork with us?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
It was so amazing.
It was definitely an enjoyableexperience.
I will always cherish that,those couple of days that we had
together.
It was a lot of information, alot of knowledge, just a new way
of thinking about sugar and thewhole removal process.
And he is just so sweet.
I know, right and that is whatI appreciate the most how sweet
(03:33):
and caring and he really wantsto make sugar at its best and
not short change and cut corners.
It really it was a greatexperience.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
He is brilliant and I know you got that feeling from
him too.
I felt like we were two littlestudents just learning for the
first time some of the knowledgebombs that he was dropping on
us.
We have learned so much and I'mso glad that you could be on
this journey with me and withhim and starting to educate the
East Coast folks about yoursugar.
(04:08):
So let's start with Bear BodiesAcademy.
How you know, we've interviewedyou before about your success
with Bear Bodies in New York.
Tell us a little bit about yourexperience as a salon owner and
what kind of compelled you tobecome an educator and start
(04:30):
Bear Bodies Academy.
I know that's a big question,but just kind of help us to
understand your journey there.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
So when I started Bear Bodies and started sugaring
, it was something that I knewthat was gonna set me apart in
this industry.
Right, like everyone was waxingwhich is great, there's nothing
wrong with that but I justwanted to be do something
different and I fell in lovewith sugar.
And then I fell in love with,you know, at the time I sugar
university and just all of it asa whole, and when I started
(04:59):
there was only three sugaristsin New York.
So it was one of those thingswhere I was just like, oh my God
, like I have done it, and atthat time no one knew what sugar
was.
And fast forward.
You know, seven, eight yearslater now sugar is this thing in
New York but unfortunatelythere wasn't like real education
(05:21):
behind it in New York.
It wasn't even like on yourlicense, it didn't matter really
up until a couple of years agoCOVID and there was just this
demand that I saw that wasneeded for our sugar educators
and just getting properlyeducated in sugar.
(05:42):
And that's when I decided to doBare Body Sugar Academy.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So exciting.
So for those of you that havenot been to Bare Bodies, she has
an actual separate academy.
It's beautiful, it hastreatment rooms, it has theory
space and I mean you're not justteaching girl, you are a true
academy, you are a facility thatpeople can come and learn all
(06:09):
about sugar.
What kind of drew you toopening a whole academy, opposed
to just kind of mobile teaching?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Because I feel like when you're in a classroom
setting, you're in that space,you can receive the information,
something about just puttingthat education back hat on
versus being mobile.
There's nothing wrong withmobile right, I will still go
and teach and educate but it'salmost like taking yourself out
of your regular comfort zone andgetting back into that school
(06:41):
mentality of educating andlearning.
And that was really what thepush was for me to say we need a
separate space, we needsomeplace where you're free to
make mistakes and to learn fromyour experiences, versus you
have to get it all right in yourspace.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, for sure.
What are you seeing that thestudents are like having kind of
the most trouble with, and then, like you kind of see them come
up and out of it, like whenthey first start sugaring,
because I think there's somepeople that don't sugar and
they're kind of wondering, likewhat it's gonna be like to get
certified.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So everyone always struggles with mold and flick.
That is always.
You know, I can do theory, wecan talk about body parts, how
to sugar, but mold and flick iswhere people usually get hung up
on.
But once you get it, it just,it opens up, it just everything
just clicks.
(07:35):
It makes so much sense when youfinally get mold and flick.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And that usually takes.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
if you're practicing and listening to the techniques
that I show you and the trainingand I do coaching weekly on top
of classes If we're doing itand consistent, you'll get it in
about two weeks.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, for sure.
What we are loving doing isTahina now is combining the
online body certification bodysugaring certification program,
combining that with her hands-on.
So what's really great aboutthat is that consistent
education that you'll get onlineand then coming into perfect
your skills with Tahina.
(08:15):
Is it's really the one-twopunch, I think?
Are you seeing people reallyjust walking that way?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, so doing both right, Because if you think you
have the education at the tip ofyour fingertips, you can watch
it on the go at work.
You can really sit down andtake your time with it.
By the time you get into me,we're really just perfecting.
We're really just making surethat the mold and flick is right
, right, Working out whateverkinks we need to work out so
(08:43):
that you can be proficient andyou can feel successful when you
go into a treatment room.
So between the online andin-person, it's the perfect
combination for a successfulsugarest.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah yeah, I'm loving it.
Thank you for opening your mindto that, because you were
teaching all hands-on all thetime, so you would sugar all day
long and then in the eveningsbring all these people in and be
teaching them everything fromtheory and history and anatomy
of the skin, all the way throughpracticing.
So I love that we can be superefficient together and help
(09:18):
people before they even get toyou?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yes, of course, and it's so funny because they need
that refresh your online,because I noticed, if you've
been out of a static school fora couple of years now, some of
this stuff you need a refreshyour on and then you watch it
online and then I come in and Ireiterate everything that
happens online and then we roll.
It really is the perfectpairing.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah, I love it.
Okay, so in the very beginning,when you started Bare Bodies
Sugaring Academy, you had adifferent product that you used
lemon, sugar, water, usual paste, cleanser powder, the whole
thing.
You trained everyone awesome,the way you do.
And then we introduced you toRadic and now you've been using
(10:04):
his product now for a couple ofmonths.
What are?
Are you seeing a difference inyour clients and in your
students being able to use it?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
So I do see a difference with the clients and
the students I'm gonna say theclients first.
You see, there's less reaction.
The hairs come out, they comeall the way out.
It is not.
You're not going over andcausing more irritation with the
consistent going over the samearea over and over and the grow
(10:33):
back.
It's so much less, I know, andless irritation and less
breakouts and less in groans andless issues.
So you know my I already doBrazilians and other services
quickly, but going into aservice with my clients now one
(10:54):
minute, two minute tops.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
You're the fastest sugar in the west in the east,
not the west in the east.
You are fast.
I mean I thought I was fast,but you are fast.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And that comes in time and practice.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Right right?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well, this is sugar.
Five days a week, I'm down todoing these studio performances
now.
I think the fastest I probablygot it was about six minutes.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, but that's also , like you know, if you think
about it, your client coming inand being consistent and doing
the home care and all that jazzright.
And that's the other thing thatI love about Radic right, like
the home care right, the intreatment care, you know,
between the sugar and therosewater toner, the rosewater
aftercare and the pre-cleansing,all of it all works and you can
(11:42):
see the change.
You can.
You know, the skin is hydratedand it looks so much better.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Are you finding?
I think what I'm finding when Iuse this line on my clients is
that I thought I knew whathealthy skin looked like and I
thought that I was doing abeautiful job sugaring on my
clients and then I didn't tellthem Did you just bring it on
your clients?
I didn't tell them I wasswitching.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So there was a few clients that noticed the
difference when I made theswitch and then we had that
conversation and then there weresome clients that did not.
But I purposely tried to like,oh no, everything's fine,
Everything's great.
Especially some of my Agnatedclients that you know just
always had trouble issues.
They no longer have issues, soit has definitely like they've
(12:33):
now see this.
They say, whatever you're using, keep using it, yeah.
And even like when I'm aftercare, I say, all right, I'm
going to spray this pre and postprobiotic on you.
And they look at me like DrThing oh yeah, we're going to
make sure that you know, all thegood bacteria is back on this.
Like I give them the whole feeland it's the beautiful,
(12:55):
beautiful transition it reallyhas it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah for sure, educating your clients on that
next level kind of you know wetalk about it in Sugar Mama's
Beauty Club, my shop.
We talk about like we'reupgrading your sugaring.
So we've been sugaring for along time in our area and now we
talk to clients about upgradingtheir sugar experience and of
course, everyone wants to beupgraded right.
And so I've found that when Isee how healthy the skin is and
(13:23):
then they come back and it'samazing to me how, if we just
are balancing and nourishing andsupporting the health of the
skin and the microbiome, Ididn't even know that was a
thing and we've talked aboutthat the last couple of weeks.
Like I thought pre and pro andpost biotics were for the gut
only, which I love people towork on their gut health, but
(13:46):
once we started learning aboutthe health of the skin
microbiome, I really see adifference and I really love
that you have taken your Academyto the next level to educate
your students now.
So how are your students doinggrasping all of the science?
It's a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
It's a lot, but you know they really appreciate it,
Like if you really, if you're anesthetician, right Like?
Or a cosmetologist or a waxer,you want your client's skin To
reflect your knowledge and yourwork, right?
We're not just removing thehair.
Removing the hair is one piece.
That's really maybe 1% of it,right, If you weren't thinking
(14:27):
about it.
It's the health of the skin andthey really are tapped into
understanding why it's importantto treat the skin after, pre
and post hair removal.
That is what's really important, yeah for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So you had quite a few students come through your
facility there, your Academy.
Tell me about some of yourfavorite students and the
successes that they're seeing.
Is there some stories that thatyou can share with us about
being a student?
We've got a lot of studentsthat are in the audience and
we've got a lot of people likeme that haven't been back to
school for a really long time.
(15:03):
So what are you are my successstory.
By the way, I talk about allthe time my sweet friend and
watching you grow and be a sweetsuccess story has.
Just, it's been an honor tospend time with you and now that
you're educating for us, it'slike it's like double whammy.
Yeah, I just you're just,you're a really, really special
(15:26):
person for me and so I'm reallyglad to have you on the podcast
and as an educator with us.
But let's talk about yourstudents.
Like, do you have some folksthat are really killing it now
that they're learning and haveboosted their Definitely.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I have one out in Jersey.
She started with me and she'sclients out the door and she
opens her own studio.
She's in a suite.
You know she's really killingit.
I have another student who youknow.
She originally she was originalstudent when I was teaching wax
a long time ago and then shecame on to the sugar train and
(16:05):
she's sugaring as well and verysuccessful.
We do, you know, one on onemeeting.
Still they still reach out.
So I'm still, I'm still veryhands on, but not in the sense
of, you know, teaching anymoreis just really hearing their
stories and seeing what theyneed and really, you know,
helping them get to whateverlevel they want to.
(16:26):
But everyone has been whoeverhas come here, whatever they put
their mind through to, they getto the next level always.
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Do you think that it's growing in New York now or
have you guys kind of corneredthe market and like what is the
aesthetic layout of New Yorkspecifically?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well, there are a lot of sugars popping up, so that's
a good thing.
I have trained quite a bit ofthem, so that's a good thing as
well.
But yeah, I think in New York,it's time for move, wax out the
way and let the sugars to whatwe need to do, because you are
the option.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah, put down that wax stick.
It kind of surprises meactually that people still wax.
You know now that we can.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
We can thank the big chains for that.
They still try and make it.
You know this thing, you know.
But eventually, when you knowwhat's right and what's best,
you do come over.
You come over to the sweet side.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So I love that, I love that.
And so you have these studentsthat come through.
What's your biggest advice tothem?
They've just learned how tomold and flick Like.
What's your, what's your kindof aspiring entrepreneur advice
for your students when you sendthem off into the on their own?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I always tell them that you're a forever student.
You always have to keeplearning and growing.
Once you stop learning andgrowing, you're done and that's
and that's not.
That's not.
You can't never be finished,right?
If you think about the beautyindustry, something's always
happening, something's alwayschanging.
So I always tell them to stay aforever student, be hungry for
(18:14):
knowledge, and that is whatmakes you successful.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, yeah.
What is the best part aboutyour job?
Education and and estheticianand entrepreneur.
What is the best part aboutwhat you love to do every day?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
The best part of what I love is with the students is
when the lights turn on.
That's what I call it.
When the lights turned on andthey're like, oh, I got it, I
got it right, and that joy andthe you know they're like OK, so
I figured it out and I and nowI'm just working on like getting
my body parts and maneuveringbetter Right.
That is what makes I'm like,yes, like you finally crossed
(18:49):
the line right With in service,just really seeing the skin
change.
You know I'm such a sciencenerd and I love really like skin
change and changing for thebetter, right.
Like I love a client that haslike all these issues right,
they're coming someplace fromsomewhere else and they have all
(19:11):
these issues and in two tothree sessions you can see a
drastic change.
So that always keeps me goingand as far as entrepreneur, you
got to have thick skin to fightin that game and that is also a
very you know, knowledge basedtransition in life.
(19:31):
But it's a skill set, it's yougot to put your business hat on.
So, as much as we love you knowthe science and the art of
beauty because we do it's artright but you have to put your
business hat on and do all thebusiness things that come to
play when it comes to being anentrepreneur.
So that has also been somethingthat I really do appreciate.
(19:53):
And with having you as a mentor, right, there's things that you
taught me along the way thatI'm like oh yeah, we're going to
do that, because Shannon saidlet's do this Right, because
because you've been doing thisso much longer, so for me I can
turn and say well, shannon, whatdo you think?
And you give me the answer.
I go OK, we're going to do thatand it works Right.
(20:13):
So you know, that's been alsolike a blessing to having great
mentors Right, like you are agreat mentor to me.
So I mean I just love the wholeprocess.
It's you have, you have to, youhave to want it, you have to
want it.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Oh, absolutely.
And you have to be open andwilling.
You know I love that you areopen and willing to learn.
You are open and willing tohear, you know, critique or
maybe a shift in the way thatyou do your business.
You know, in the very beginning, when you were starting out, I
remember you're like, oh, whatdo I do?
You know, do I do this?
Do I do that?
You expanded really fast andthen thought, ok, that's, that's
(20:52):
not the smartest thing, let'sget, let's work smarter, not
harder and get tight.
And you were really open to toreally learning and listening
and listening to the podcast andand and growing, and I think
it's you summed it up.
I mean you really have toalways be a student.
Lord knows I have this.
Last year, when I met Roddickand I know you have, because we
thought we knew everything aboutsugar and boy, we didn't.
(21:14):
And and that's been really funto be a part of that journey
with you too, because it's beenfun to learn together.
Yeah, Teachers can learn too allthe time.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That's what makes us great teachers.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Right, right, okay.
So what is next for Tahina,rock and Bear Bodies?
What is next for you?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well, bear Bodies is we're working on just continuing
educating, continuing services,clients.
We're really just enjoying andhaving fun with where we are
right now and we really are likeputting the focus on education.
So that is where we're reallyat right now.
So in service, I mean we'regreat, but that's we do that
(21:56):
when I sleep.
It's really the education thatwe're really pushing and
focusing right now.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, yeah.
So Tahina is going to be notonly educating in the New York
area for us, but she is such aphenomenal educator.
I'm going to be tapping intoher to come to other states and
doing some of the cool stuffthat we're doing together to
really spread the word and helppeople to learn.
So, tahina, I'm excited to dosome road trips with you Of
(22:24):
course we're going to have fun.
We had fun when I was in NewYork, so we're going to take
that trip on the road.
I love it.
I love it.
Thank you so much for not onlybeing on podcast again, because
your original sweet successstory you were at a completely
different place with yoursuccess and you have taken it to
(22:45):
the next level.
But thank you for you know, Ithink what's really important in
this life is when you findsomething that makes your heart
happy and you become reallyskilled at is to pay it forward.
And that's what you're doing andthat's what we're trying to do
with love to sugar.
We're trying to get everyone tolearn to sugar, as I say, so
(23:08):
they will love to sugar, and Ijust love that you are realizing
that it's not just about youmaking the most money you can
out of your salon and notsharing any of your wisdom.
Really, what you've done iswhat we should all do in life is
work together.
Is, you know, not compete andrealize that there's plenty of
(23:29):
business for all of us, and it'sreally been fun to watch you
truly embody that and realizethat, like, we're all in this
together and our job as reallygood sugar pros is to spread
that message.
So I'm really grateful that youget the message and the kind of
the motto and the vibe thatlove to sugar is going for,
(23:52):
which is really just to justspread the passion of sugar.
I know you're having fun withthat.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I really.
You know, when I came in thisindustry I didn't realize it was
so competitive until I was inthe industry.
And I agree, like I just wannaspread the joy of sugaring.
And it's not a competition,we're a sisterhood and we all
gotta work together.
And I don't.
I am tired after doing 20 to 30clients a day and that is my
(24:21):
max right.
So I, if I'm only doing 20 to30, there's a billion people in
this world.
You can have a piece of thispie too.
So I 100% agree.
I really think that we need towork together as a team and
really pay it forward.
I mean, why not?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Thank you so much for being onthe episode, Ms Fang.
I look forward to interviewingyou many more times and to
sharing you with our sugaringcommunity.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Thank you so much.
You're welcome girl.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Okay, everyone, stay tuned for the next episode of
the Sugar Show podcast, where webring you wizards like Tahina
and Roddick.
We are going to really justwork on your business, your
technique, your understanding ofwhy you're doing what you're
doing, and the idea is to justmake sure that you are working
(25:14):
smarter, not harder, and thatthat beautiful ball of sugar is
helpful for you and your clients.
I look forward to sharing mynext episode with you and, in
the meantime, have a sweet week.
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