October 5, 2025 • 51 mins
What if the best service you offer isn’t a technique, but how you notice? We pull up chairs in the Sugar Mamas lobby with Daria—our social media lead and podcast editor—to explore sensory needs, anxiety, and the small choices that turn a treatment room into a safe room. From the rose scent that reads “too much” to the steam that feels like suffocation, Daria shares what many clients never say out loud and how simple, specific check-ins can change the whole experience.
We dig into intake forms as living documents—beyond meds and allergies—adding clear questions about scent tolerance, temperature, music volume, lighting, hot towels, and step-by-step narration. You’ll hear how to read ultra-quiet clients without guessing, create Plan B product options, and take notes that matter so each return visit starts from care, not trial and error. We also talk practitioner honesty and boundaries: how to set a calm tone on low-social days, stack your schedule to reclaim real rest, and choose tiny resets that protect your energy without hurting your business.
Daria also introduces Just Breathe Confessionals, her new reflective podcast about anxiety, heartbreak, and the messy process of becoming. She explains how speaking truths out loud softens shame and why caregivers—esthetician, sugar pro, or massage therapist—need self-love and community to sustain the work. If you’ve been looking for practical, trauma-informed client care, sensory-friendly skincare tips, and smart burnout prevention for beauty professionals, this conversation meets you where you are.
Listen now, subscribe for more human-centered esthetics, and share this episode with a pro who could use a gentler way to care—for clients and for themselves. Have a question or a sensory tip that works in your room? Drop us a note and join the conversation.
If you’d like to check out Daria’s podcast, Just Breathe Confessionals, you can find her on Instagram @justbreatheconfessionals
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SPEAKER_00 (00:05):
Welcome back to this episode of The Sugar Show.
This one is going to be a littledifferent for us today because I
am interviewing one of ourfavorite members on the Love to
Sugar team.
As you know, our team is growingleaps and bounds.
We have not only educators, butwe have ad specialists.
(00:27):
We now have a social mediamanager.
We have all kinds of folks tohelp us strategize to get the
word out to you and spread thepassion of sugar.
So you have seen the work ofthis beautiful human, but you
have not seen her.
On this episode, I have Dariawith us.
I've asked her to come on theshow for many, many reasons,
(00:49):
mostly because we have suchgreat conversations in general,
but also because she is has areally great um perspective on
being a client that has sensorystruggles, I guess you would
say.
And also she has become inspiredto start her own podcast, which
I think you will find to be veryinteresting and heartwarming.
(01:12):
And it will really touch alittle part of you that maybe
might resonate with you becauseyou are experiencing similar
things, or maybe your clients uhexperience similar experiences
to Daria, and you can uh relatein many, many ways.
So this episode again is just alittle bit different.
We are sitting in the lobby ofSugar Mamas in Folsom,
(01:34):
California, and we are justshooting the breeze.
So we're gonna we're gonna justuh just do a little chillaxing
and talking about what makes ourheart happy.
So, Miss Daria, welcome to thesugar show.
SPEAKER_01 (01:47):
Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_00 (01:50):
She has a cutest giggle, by the way.
She's gonna giggle throughoutthis thing, which is really fun.
Um, so Daria, let's just getright into it.
Um, you have been our socialmedia manager.
Gosh, how long now?
SPEAKER_01 (02:02):
I think maybe a year and a half.
SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
Gots, it was before the Sacramento show, so it's
easily been a year and a half.
Yeah, a year and a half.
Yeah, and you have really seenus through a lot in this last
little bit.
Daria is famous for uh gettingme to do random dances and
pointing at things.
She'll say, Shannon, want you towalk in the room, point up,
laugh, and walk out of the room.
SPEAKER_01 (02:24):
And take off your glasses.
SPEAKER_00 (02:26):
Oh, yes.
And she always yells at me totake off my glasses because they
provide a glare.
So Daria started out very shywith me because I have a big
bold personality, but then shenow quickly has figured out that
if she tells me what to do, thatum all things go smoother.
So again, welcome, Daria, and uhand thank you for your patience
with me as a as a subject.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
You're welcome.
SPEAKER_00 (02:47):
Okay, so I want to start um with, we're gonna get
to your podcast, but I reallywant to start with talking to
you about just what it is thatyou know, you're a client of
ours as well.
Yes.
And it's a little different foryou.
Talk about how you are a littlebit different than the average
person that comes into thetreatment room and uh what what
(03:09):
your experience has been withsugar so far.
SPEAKER_01 (03:11):
So I have a lot of sensory issues, I would say.
I'm really sensitive to smells,and a lot of the products that
you guys use are really smelly.
They either smell like, in myopinion, old lady rosy, and I
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don't like it, but uh that's theproduct you guys have, right?
So I kind of just have to dealwith it, right?
Or they're just really strong.
And so a lot of the times I willsay, like, if you have to use
that, I understand.
But if you don't, or if ifthere's an alternative, can you
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use that?
And sometimes you guys havealternatives, which is great.
Um I also am like prettysensitive to certain products.
I don't know why, but I willbreak out depending on the
products, um, which isinteresting because I don't
break out when I shave.
Um, but sometimes when I do getsugared, I break out, even if I
(04:18):
um exfoliate, which you'vetaught me.
SPEAKER_00 (04:21):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (04:22):
Um, so it's just interesting, and then I really
don't like silence in thetreatment room, but I also don't
like really loud music.
So I like the happy medium, soI'm very honest if you're
talking too much.
No, or if there's not enoughtalking.
(04:47):
And to some people that could betoo needy of a clientele, but
for me, a person with anxiety, Ineed to have somebody who I feel
comfortable with.
SPEAKER_00 (05:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:02):
And so I'm very upfront and honest to whoever
I'm going to, whether it's alash artist or a hairstylist,
I'm gonna ask questions.
Yeah, I'm I wanna know whatyou're doing to me.
SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:17):
And I don't think that maybe um people understand
that most of the time.
Like I want to know the serviceyou're providing for me because
my anxiety is wondering thattoo.
SPEAKER_00 (05:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:30):
I want to know that I'm safe in your hands.
SPEAKER_00 (05:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:33):
And so my mind's going a thousand miles an hour
and you're putting somethingwarm on my body, and I want to
know what you're doing to me.
SPEAKER_00 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
You know, I think it's reallyimportant for us as
aestheticians to, uh, whetheryou're a sugar pro or not, to
really be mindful um in theclient intake portion.
You know, I mean, I already knewDaria when we first started with
this, but you know, in theclient intake piece, it is about
medicine, it is about, you know,sensitivities.
But I think it's really good tohave the conversation with your
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client about, you know, anysensitivities they have.
Do they have sensitivities tolight, to temperature?
You know, a hot towel might justsend someone Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (06:13):
I hate that.
SPEAKER_00 (06:14):
Right?
And I actually didn't know thatabout you, but if I put a hot
towel on you, what does thatmake you feel like?
SPEAKER_01 (06:19):
I'm suffocating.
Yes, Audrey, who works at SugarMamas, I love Audrey.
Um, she gives me facialssometimes because I help with
the sugar mama's social media,and I feel like I'm suffocating.
And so she does not put towelson my face anymore.
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:36):
Because I just don't like it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:38):
Um, even if you do steam, I also feel like I'm
suffocating.
But that is a natural step infacials.
But if that was an all if thatwas on an intake form, I could
say decline, but it's not on anintake form.
I've never seen it on an intakeform for a facial.
SPEAKER_00 (06:58):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (06:58):
I just don't think it's um usually on that stuff.
But I yeah, I feel like I'mbeing buried alive.
SPEAKER_00 (07:04):
Yeah, and and that's interesting, right?
Because we talked about in a ina reel the other day about your
intake form being like a living,breathing document.
And I think if you do not have,do you like steam?
What temperatures do you are doyou struggle with?
If you don't have that on yourintake form, the aesthetician's
never gonna know.
And so then it causes angstwhile you're in a facial and it
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really does ruin the experiencefor you.
So I think the very first timethat you work with a client,
I'll say this to the audience,the very first time you work
with a client, you really haveto ask them things beyond the
medications, but like, do youstruggle with um, you know,
closed spaces?
Do you struggle with because alot of times it's just the
towel, might not even be warm.
SPEAKER_01 (07:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:47):
Um, do you struggle with heat?
Do you struggle with steam?
You know, and so that way youhave a plan B.
For example, you talked aboutRose.
You do not like the center rose,like that just sends you.
SPEAKER_01 (07:58):
Yeah, but a lot of your clients do because
obviously I'm in the room makingreels.
They go, I love it.
And I'm always like over heregagging, and I'm just like,
yeah, it's so great, guys.
It's really, I I just don't likeit.
Yeah, but then uh you've gottenstuff that I love, lavender, and
then it doesn't even smell likelavender, so I'm like, okay.
(08:19):
Yeah.
And you've also used me as atest dummy to smell incoming
products that you have.
Yes, I'm very intelligent.
SPEAKER_00 (08:28):
Yes, you are.
Um, but I think it is wise tosay, okay, and some of these
things are not fragranced, yeah,but the ingredients that they
have, like I have a product thathas a powdered aloe in it.
SPEAKER_01 (08:41):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (08:42):
I think it smells divine.
SPEAKER_01 (08:44):
I did not.
SPEAKER_00 (08:45):
And you did not.
So I put those products in frontof her nose all the time so that
I can really be mindful of like,you know, is this Daria approved
or not?
But I think if you do havesomeone that's sensitive and you
do bring a new product line, ifthat client does not like, say,
the micler water or um theaftercare lotion, find out first
(09:06):
before you go slathering thatall over their face, because it
might not be something thatmakes their heart happy or their
nose or their stomach happy.
So really be mindful of having aplan B, a soothing serum that's
a plan B, something that um Iknow that you're really
sensitive.
Like you had a bug bite earlier,and you're like, oh my gosh,
it's stinging, it's so crazy.
And I was able to put, I loveHale and Hush's, but um, shout
(09:27):
out to them, uh, bioreliefpowder and um a relief
biopowder.
I always freaking say thatwrong.
Um, but anyway, they're powderbecause it really does take um
insect bites um to the, youknow, takes all the sting and
pain out.
And that works.
I have that as an emergency inmy back bar, you know, for
anybody that has an oddreaction.
And I love that you now realizethat, you know, I might know
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what I'm doing when I put it onyou.
SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
You're my menacing, Mom.
I got stung by a wasp earlierthis morning and I said it hurt.
And then she's like, Oh, I gotsomething for that.
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
Yeah.
So I always got something forthat.
It's my hoodoo voodoo.
I always got those things.
But mindfully, if you know,there is a product that has some
people cannot do lavender, somepeople absolutely cannot stand
the smell of a woodsy something,you know, like it's just there's
just different people that, youknow, just respond to things
differently.
So you can say, especially whenyou're putting something on the
(10:18):
face, yeah, hey, how do you dowith rose?
How do you do with lavender?
How do you do with, you know,whatever it is that you have on
their for their skin?
Because it really does make adifference in the experience
they're having in general.
Yeah.
The other thing I will say is alot of clients like yourself,
well, not like you, you are veryoutgoing and you will tell me
exactly what you don't like.
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But there are a lot of you thathave sensory issues that will
say nothing and will grin andbear it and will absolutely
struggle.
And so if you have a client thatis ultra, ultra quiet, don't
just say, Are you okay?
You say specifically, how's thescent for you?
How's the temperature for you?
So they can answer that questiondirectly instead of not wanting
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to hurt your feelings.
So I think that's reallyimportant.
SPEAKER_01 (11:02):
I am like that at the beginning.
Like if I go to see someone likefor a first time, like I was
that way when I first met you,like a year or I don't know,
about two years ago it was.
About two years ago.
But like now I'm more vocal withyou.
But like if I'm going to seesomeone for the first time, I'm
(11:23):
kind of like in my head and I'mlike, is it supposed to feel
like that?
Do I question their artwork?
Like, because to me it's like anart form.
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:33):
And so I'm like, how dare I question them?
That's how I their technique.
Yeah.
Yes, exactly.
Like, I don't know how to dothis.
Like, I'm paying them.
Like recently I went to um getmy hair braided, and I'm paying
a lady to get my hair braidedbecause I can't braid my hair
for I can't.
(11:53):
Can I cuss?
No, yes, I can't I can't braidmy hair for shit.
And it was gonna be a hot day inFolsom, and I work at Folsom
High School, and I was gonna beoutside, and this lady, God
bless her heart, was pregnant,had pregobrain, and like was
just really hurting my head.
(12:14):
And I don't know how to braid,so I can't correct her.
And what I should have done wasjust said, hey, I'm gonna get
off out of this chair and leavebecause you're not in the state
of mind to braid my hair.
SPEAKER_00 (12:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:29):
But I stayed in that chair for over two hours until
she could get the braid, and allI was wanting was one braid.
Two hours?
Yeah.
And she ended up doing it, butit was not the braid I wanted.
But I got it done.
It was not what I wanted, but Ileft with it.
Yeah.
(12:49):
Because I'm just sometimes notvocally comfortable saying what
I want to say.
SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
Yeah.
So I I think as yourpractitioner, you know, if that
was me, I would notice that youwere quiet and I would check in.
So I think it's really importantfor sugar pros and
aestheticians, especially, toknow that if you have a client
that's exceptionally quiet, thatmeans a few different things.
Yeah.
It means they just need a littlepeace right now.
It could also mean that theydon't know how to say to you
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what they're not happy about.
It could mean they're notlistening at all or paying
attention because their life isso crazy.
It could also mean absolutelynothing.
So I think we need to be mindfuland say, hey, check in, how's
that temperature for you?
Yeah.
Hey, how's, you know, um, how'sthe, you know, is the volume in
the on the radio okay?
Do you like this music?
You know, really check in to thepulse of what your customers are
(13:46):
and your clientele is isthinking and feeling so that
they will come back.
And it seems as though you'recared about them.
SPEAKER_01 (13:53):
Yeah, but you could also like there are times I've
gone to like a hairstylist andbeen like, hey, I'm not in the
mood to talk today, but I loveyou.
Yeah.
And that's fine too.
Yeah.
I think that's totallyappropriate.
And that's something you couldput on an intake form too.
Like, uh, I don't like to talk,but I'm here for the service.
Like, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (14:12):
Yeah.
The other thing too is we'regoing to talk about estheticians
in the next little bit becausethat's um the the biggest part
of this conversation.
But for estheticians, it istotally fine if you aren't
feeling it to say, hey, I'mhaving a super mellow day.
I'm going to sugar and work onyou.
Um, you need to probably try tomuscle up your best.
But if you just can't, you know,there is no reason why you
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switch things up and make arelaxing experience for your
customer.
Yeah.
So, say, for example, yourclient says, um, you know, you
walk in and you're like, oh,you're just not feeling the day.
There is absolutely no reasonwhy you can't put a neck roll
under their head, put someessential oils behind their
ears, ask them, of course, ifthey like the scent, and just
say, Hey, I'm gonna have yourelax today.
I know we talk usually a lot,but um, for some reason, I'm I'm
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just not feeling it, or youknow, you know, I'm just like in
a in a super quiet space, andI'm having all of my clients
chill out today.
We're switching things up.
Oh my gosh, people would love tonot have to entertain you.
SPEAKER_01 (15:10):
I'd rather you be honest with me and not fake it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
Like as somebody who's working on me.
SPEAKER_00 (15:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:17):
I'd rather not fake conversations because us as
clients can tell when you'rebeing fake too.
SPEAKER_00 (15:24):
Oh my god.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (15:25):
It's like, how's the weather out?
Oh, it's great.
Okay, we're having a fakeconversation.
I already know that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:31):
And a lot of time it's because, you know, we've
got your legs in the air.
So there's that.
Yeah.
No, we haven't done that withyou, but we've only done your
brows.
But yeah, but at the end of theday, there are people that are
just really, really, reallyuncomfortable.
SPEAKER_01 (15:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:44):
And, you know, especially if it's a first-time
Brazilian or bikini, they'rereally uncomfortable to, you
know, drop their drawers.
And you have to have thatconversation.
You know, we've talked aboutthis for the last couple of
weeks, is having theseconversations, have them with
your customers, your clients,um, have them with other
aestheticians and your boss, andyou know, be really clear about
what's going on for you.
Because if you have sensoryissues, which I do not,
(16:06):
thankfully, but if you havesensory sensory issues,
everything is expanded for you.
SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
Yeah, overall.
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (16:12):
Yeah, from the the hardness of the bed, firmness of
the bed to the smell in the roomto you're hypersensitive, right?
You're hyper aware.
SPEAKER_01 (16:20):
Yeah, I'm aware of every little thing um in your
room, especially, or everywhere.
Yeah, every time I lay on thebed, I'm like, okay, my body
doesn't fit, uh, the lights aretoo bright, uh, that's making
that sound.
But but that's not anything onthe esthetician or the
esthetician's room.
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That's just what my mind'sthinking.
SPEAKER_00 (16:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
But I don't think the esthetician can do anything
to help my mind.
You know, that's just my mind.
SPEAKER_00 (16:53):
Well, we can't help your mind, but we can be aware
of it, right?
And so I can know and I can takenotes on you as a as a uh
client, and I can say, hey, shedoes not love Rose.
She does not love loud music,but she sure loves, you know,
easy rock.
And give her a little FleetwoodMac and an unscented product,
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you know, and you and she willknow that you've taken care of
her and you've thought abouther.
Yeah.
And that is really, reallycritical is you have to know
your clients.
You have to take notes on allyour clients so that you
absolutely they walk in and Iknow not to put rose on you.
I just know this.
SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:30):
And I have a lot of clients, but I make sure that I
take notes on everybody so thatI know exactly what's going on.
Okay, so I want to get intobasically why, well, what else
you're doing as it relates toestheticians and actually just
humans in general, because weare all human and we all have
needs, special needs.
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Um, you know, and one of thethings that is really fun is not
only do you so do our socialmedia, but you do, um, you're
the editor for my podcast.
For those of you that did notknow, she is the editor for the
podcast.
And she's, you know, I she'susually behind the scenes, and
now she's gonna be in front ofthe scenes on this episode.
Um, but I want to first put acaveat out there that we are
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gonna talk about some thingsthat might touch, you know, some
sensitive parts when talk alittle bit about mental health.
And, you know, this is at yourdiscretion, audience, if this is
something that you want tolisten to.
Um, Daria's um got a podcast.
And, you know, let's just let'sjust dive into your podcast and
what it's about and how it canbe really helpful to um to the
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you know, to the listeners thatare listening to our show, but
also for folks that, you know,really want to kind of dive into
this other area.
So talk a little bit, first ofall, about what why you started
the podcast and what it's about.
SPEAKER_01 (18:52):
Uh all right.
So I have obviously been editingyour podcast for a while now,
and it's kind of just made mewanna start one on my own.
Like I've always wanted to starta podcast, but I never really
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had the guts to.
And then when I started editingyours, I was like, I think this
is something I can do.
And so I came up with a titlecalled Just Breathe
Confessionals.
Um, just breathe, because it'ssomething my dad would always
say to me when I was having uhpanic attacks growing up.
(19:33):
Not anything mean, but in a dadway, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (19:35):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (19:36):
And so it's called Just Breathe Confessionals, it's
a reflective truth-tellingpodcast where I share personal
stories about my anxiety,heartbreak, healing, and like
the messy process of becoming.
Um I spend so much time behindthe scenes editing the sugar
(19:57):
show.
It just showed me how powerfulit is when people speak their
truths out loud.
The aestheticians, clients,everyone.
And for me, it it came from aplace of caring trauma.
My parents' divorce, my owndivorce, which a lot of people
don't know about me because Ikept that a secret.
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So that's something new peoplewill find out about me.
And I just realized that silencewas only making it a lot heavier
in my life.
So once I started speaking thosethings out loud, it felt like I
could finally breathe again.
And that's the heart of thepodcast, creating space to
release what's really been stuckinside.
(20:39):
And it just felt like reallyrefreshing to tell that out
loud.
SPEAKER_00 (20:43):
I'm so proud of you.
SPEAKER_01 (20:44):
Well, you inspired me.
SPEAKER_00 (20:46):
I just I love that I love that this is the direction
that you took it, though.
It's super healthy and healingand you know, audience, I think
what's really important for whenyou listen to this piece of the
episode is, you know, if itdoesn't resonate with you
because you're not someone thathas anxiety or or you know, any
of the the traumas, which Ithink we all have some, or you
(21:06):
know, or we are, or we lovepeople that do, you know, I
think it's really important tounderstand what the human
condition is and that yourclientele could be going with
through these things and maybe apodcast like this would help
them.
I think that having tools inyour toolbox, I always love
having um, you know, adermatologist I can recommend or
a podcast I can recommend, or,you know, any sort of
(21:29):
professional assistance that Ican give to my clients is really
helpful.
And that's why, Daria, I I'mloving that you're doing this as
a badass babe.
Um, but I also love that you canreally kind of give some insight
to to my aestheticians, youknow, and our sugar tribe that
they can learn from bothpersonally and professionally.
(21:53):
And so if you have someone whenyou're listening to this, you're
like, oh wow, this is perfectfor my client Sally, or wow,
that's actually perfect for me.
I didn't even realize it.
You know, you have so many goodtopics on here, and we'll get to
chatting about those in just asecond.
But that's really why I wantedyou on was for you to be able to
just relate with people and youknow, they can leave comments
and you can answer those becauseyou are the one that answers a
(22:15):
lot of that stuff.
Yes, I am, you know, so you'vegot a direct access.
Um, but let's just get rightinto it.
And, you know, it's reallyyou've described the Just
Breathe Confessionals, which ison all the major podcasts, you
know, Spotify, Apple, all that.
Yeah.
And you've described your showas a journey of self-discovery,
(22:36):
self-love, self-forgiveness.
Why do you think those themesresonate with so many of us,
especially aestheticians who areso often focused on taking care
of others?
SPEAKER_01 (22:49):
I think because self-discovery and self-love are
all struggles we all face.
I'm not an aesthetician myself,as we've said.
But I've seen so many of myclose friends, especially you
and even my aunt, who's amassage therapist, pour so much
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of themselves into others.
SPEAKER_00 (23:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:13):
That constant giving can be so draining if you don't
refill your own cup.
And my podcast touches on thatreminder you can't keep showing
up for others if you aren'ttaking care of yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (23:26):
Yes.
Yes.
You know, it's so funny.
We that's sweet that you saythat because we literally every
half hour are take care ofeveryone else, everyone else,
everyone else.
And then some of us go home andtake care of our families,
everyone else, everyone else,and then there's just like
minutes left over for us, andthen we fall into bed, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (23:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:43):
And so if we're constantly giving and giving and
giving, especially in these lastfew weeks when the topics have
been really, you know, big andheavy, and and it's every half
hour we're giving and giving andgiving.
And, you know, I think that thisis really, really important.
You know, um, you open up aboutyour journey with anxiety in
(24:05):
these episodes.
And have you found lessons fromyour experiences that
aestheticians can carry into thetreatment room when working with
clients who might be holdingstress or emotional weight?
SPEAKER_01 (24:17):
Yeah, so we've kind of touched on this a little bit
already, but anxiety's taught methat you never really know what
somebody is carrying.
SPEAKER_00 (24:26):
Oh, so true.
SPEAKER_01 (24:28):
Um, so true.
Like that dochy song, anxiety.
SPEAKER_00 (24:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:32):
Somebody's watching me.
Um, for me, silence can make meanxious, like I've already said.
So if I'm in a treatment room, Iwant to ask questions, I want to
know step by step on what'shappening.
Uh, that's not typical protocol,uh, but it's how my anxiety
shows up.
It's just always constantlythere.
(24:52):
And I think letting clients setthe tone, um, silence or
conversation or an explanationcan go a long way, especially
for people dealing with anxietyuh in the treatment room,
especially.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, both sides, right?
Yeah.
Because some people are like,Will you please stop talking?
And other people are like, So,tell me more about you.
Yeah.
You know, and especially infacials, that's hard.
But, you know, there's a lot ofpeople, even, you know, sugaring
is a very, is a very talky kindof treatment.
Um, but sometimes people justwant to lay there and they don't
want to talk to you and they itcauses them anxiety.
(25:29):
So I think we have to be verymindful as practitioners what
we're dealing with, you know,with with each client that that
lays on our table.
Because we often become somekind of a safe space for clients
to vent and unload.
And like I said, the last coupleof weeks has been really um full
of that.
And from your perspective,Daria, what can beauty
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professionals do to protecttheir own mental health while
while still holding space forothers?
That's a big chat challenge.
SPEAKER_01 (25:57):
Yeah, so I've actually been learning a lot
from editing the sugar show.
Um, I think I've edited maybelike 10 episodes now.
Um something that I've learnedis how deeply sugar pros love
their clients.
Right.
(26:17):
Um, but balance matters so much.
You can be so supportive andstill need to take a step back.
Um, I've seen you go getservices from other
aestheticians, and that's suchan important reminder that
estheticians need estheticians.
Yes, um it's no different fromtelling a partner, I need a
(26:40):
moment.
Giving yourself that grace isn'ta weakness.
It's what makes your connectionsmore sustainable.
SPEAKER_00 (26:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:49):
Um, it's just learning the balance, and it it
it happens in life too, likesaying no.
Um, I think is an important lifetool that you start learning as
an adult is saying no, um, whichI'm still learning.
And I think you are too.
SPEAKER_00 (27:07):
Oh.
I'm like 30 years older thanyou, and I'm still learning
that.
SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
You don't need to tell them that.
SPEAKER_00 (27:12):
Yeah.
Well, I said I'm proud of it.
I'm old and proud.
Um I you know, I I think aswell, we need to be mindful
that, you know, we have tocommunicate with each other.
SPEAKER_01 (27:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:25):
You know, and even you, you're doing the social
media, you're like, there's beena couple days where we set up to
film and you're like, I ain'tfeeling this today.
SPEAKER_01 (27:31):
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm very honest with you becauseone, you're my boss.
And two, if I'm not honest withyou and I come, there's been
days I do come here and you lookat me, you go, Are you okay?
And I'm like, No, I'm not.
SPEAKER_00 (27:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:47):
And you can tell too, like my eyes are closing,
and I'm just like, meh.
Because this is my second job.
SPEAKER_00 (27:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:53):
And like I work with teenagers all day, and sometimes
they just make me tired.
SPEAKER_00 (27:59):
Yeah.
They're hard.
They're hard.
Yes, yes.
And you know, I think that like,like we were saying, we have to
be open.
We have to communicate.
You have to talk to your boss oryour colleagues about like,
gosh, I am just not feelingsuper 100% today, you know?
Um, and then work on doing thosethings to make you better.
Yeah.
You're not going to the drink,you're not gonna, you know,
(28:21):
smoke weed or do whatever yourcrutches are.
It's like you gotta find waysthat like maybe it's your
hormones that are imbalanced,maybe, you know, you've just
been overstimulated that day.
Like, I mean, I think at the endof the day, you know, and you
talk about this in your podcast,um, we have to be mindful of
having tools in our estheticiantoolbox to, you know, be able to
(28:42):
pick ourselves up and out of it.
SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
Yeah.
Like I've been trying to getback into reading as a tool.
Like, I used to love reading,but I don't even have the time
to read.
And that's disappointing becauseit shouldn't be that hard to
read a book.
SPEAKER_00 (28:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:57):
But as an adult, it is like I see these TikTok
videos of adults planning datesjust to go out with friends, and
they're like, Oh, I can't evendo that.
Like they're planning years outin advance, and it's like, yeah,
it's gotten to that pointsometimes where I can't even
plan a date with a friend.
Like, even scheduling this withyou, it's like, I'm busy, I'm
busy, I'm busy.
SPEAKER_00 (29:17):
Yeah, I know, I know.
Well, I'm kind of a special herespecial case these days.
SPEAKER_01 (29:22):
You're fine though.
SPEAKER_00 (29:24):
Yeah, yeah.
Um, okay, so gosh, there's somuch to talk to you about.
Um, do you think that okay?
Let me let me actually go back.
So, your Just BreatheConfessionals podcast, just in
case um people are tuning in inthe middle of this, um, is about
telling stories about storiesthat we often keep hidden.
(29:47):
How do you think speaking yourtruth out loud has changed the
way you see yourself?
SPEAKER_01 (29:52):
At first, it was pretty terrifying because I
don't like the sound of myvoice.
Even when we record livestogether, I'm like Ugh, gross.
SPEAKER_00 (30:01):
Um, I'd you actually have a very soothing voice.
SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
So that's what my boyfriend said, and I was like,
he speaks nerdy to me.
SPEAKER_00 (30:09):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (30:10):
Um, I'd record an episode and then I'd feel like I
was talking for like hours, andthen I realized it was only for
eight minutes, and I was like,Okay.
So this is a lot harder than Ithought it was, but the more I
did it, the more I realized howmuch shame I'd been holding on
to just by staying quiet.
(30:32):
Saying things out loud softenedme towards my younger self a
little bit.
You know, once you own yourstory, it can't own you anymore.
SPEAKER_00 (30:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:43):
And that's like a really powerful statement.
And so then I just kept writingout my episodes more and more,
and just kept thinking aboutmore episodes, and then it just
kept spiraling, and then I justkept thinking about things.
And I often check with my dadabout my mer my memories, um,
just because memories can playtricks sometimes.
(31:04):
And um, I've been through a lotof trauma, and um sometimes what
I think is a memory isn't, umjust because a lot of the stuff
that happened in my childhoodmesses with my memories.
So I have to double check withmy dad if it's real or not.
SPEAKER_00 (31:21):
You know, I think that's fascinating because it's
childhood and it's actually justeven 10, 15 years ago, right?
Like I think that sometimes wehave a certain perspective of
our memories and we tell we wewrite our own story, we kind of
like switch the story a littlebit, um, whether it's older
relationships or something thatactually happened to you.
(31:43):
I think that, you know, we haveour own truths, and sometimes
when you really dive in and anddo the work, you realize like,
oh wait, was I really did thatreally happen?
Or did I just remember it thatway?
Or did I just fill in the blankswith my own stuff?
SPEAKER_01 (32:02):
Yeah.
My um, my grandfather passedaway about two years ago, and we
we did like a memorial service,and there was pictures, uh like
a they did like a slideshow, andthere was a family photo, and I
was in it, and I was like, don'tremember that photo at all.
(32:22):
So then I went to trauma therapyto try to unlock memories
because I was like, I don'tremember this photo, I don't
remember this time, what theheck?
Well, I went to trauma therapyand all it did was bring back my
anxiety I thought I stuffedaway.
So I was like, okay, great, moreanxiety.
SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
Awesome.
I'm so glad I opened this box.
SPEAKER_01 (32:44):
Yeah, I was like, well, that's cool because uh I
didn't need that.
Um, but that's that's whathappens with anxiety, you know.
You think you fix it, but itjust comes back with a
vengeance.
You yeah, you can't ever justget rid of it, you know.
It it it's gonna come back ifyou don't actually deal with it.
The same thing with trauma.
(33:05):
If you don't deal with it, it'sgonna come back.
Yeah.
And that's what I was trying tofigure out is hey, like what
where were these photos taken?
Like, was I actually present?
Like, obviously I was when I wasin this photo, but I just didn't
remember that time.
So, you know, memories are weirdthings, and and I talk about
(33:25):
that in one of my episodes isthat um I think it's called
fragments of childhood, is likemy memories are snapshots.
That's what I have of childhood.
I do not have full pictures,yeah.
And it's because of the trauma Ihave of my parents' divorce and
other stuff I went through.
And it's it's sad, but that'sthe reality of my childhood is
snapshots, and and I know otherswho have that too.
(33:49):
One of my colleagues at work,her childhood is the same way.
She has snapshots, and andthat's sad, but that's the
reality of some people's life isyou don't have the full picture.
SPEAKER_00 (33:58):
What do you think you would be like if you didn't
do all this healing work?
SPEAKER_01 (34:02):
Be pretty messed up.
That one therapist said she'svery surprised I never turned to
drug as an alcohol.
I said, Well, I never did.
SPEAKER_00 (34:12):
I'm glad you didn't.
But at the end of the day, like,I'm so proud of you for all the
work that you've done.
And, you know, for those thatyou know, we have a lot of
clients that don't do the workand they stuff it in like a
pressure cooker, right?
Yeah.
And you can tell, you can feelthe energy off of them.
And then we have others that,you know, have really done the
(34:33):
work and it's a it's a work inprogress.
SPEAKER_01 (34:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:36):
Always.
SPEAKER_01 (34:37):
Yeah, I don't know.
I I don't I don't know why I amthe way I am, but I'm glad I am
the way I am.
Right.
If that makes sense.
Um, I guess, you know, God mademe the way I am.
SPEAKER_00 (34:57):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's a true story.
I and I think that, you know,again, if we can be mindful, we
have a lot of personalities thatcome in the door.
If we can be very mindful thateveryone's got their own thing
and their own story in theirhead.
You know, client comes in, theyseem completely stoic, you know,
no big deal.
(35:18):
You have no idea what happenedto them before they walked into
the treatment room.
Yeah.
And they come in and they laydown and everything's loud and
the stuff's stinky, and which isfunny because everything we use
is like now that we use is likeunfragranced.
Yeah.
Um, but you know, products mightbe stinky to them that, you
know, they might be able to hearlike the dripping of your
faucet, and all of that is justnoise, noise, noise.
(35:40):
And what you don't also realizeis that they just walked in from
their own traumatic experience,and now you're gonna rip, you
know, hair out of their body,right?
So being really mindful ofsomeone like you, if you walk in
with, you know, high, highenergy or or even low, low
energy, you know, it's reallyjust checking in with each of
your clients and saying, hey,you know, what's going on for
(36:01):
you today?
You may turn the music downtoday.
Is that a little stimulating?
And you're like, oh, yes,please.
Or you might say, No, but canyou change the artist?
No.
But still, it's it shows itwould it shows that we would be
mindful of your needs, and thatis what it's gonna help you to
come back for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (36:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:18):
Um, what do you think about aestheticians that
can benefit from telling theirown stories?
Obviously, we have to be reallymindful in the treatment room of
like spilling our stuff, right?
Yeah, like, oh, here's myproblem, my problem, my problem,
my problem.
You know, your clients, yourcustomers are not your
therapists.
SPEAKER_01 (36:34):
Yeah, I think there is a balance between it.
Like, if more people could be onyour podcast, I think that'd be
cool.
Like, obviously, hit up Shannon,be on our podcast.
I'll edit it.
Woohoo! Yes.
Um, when I edited, I can't saythat word.
I feel like I'm doubling, Idon't know.
When I did the edit, when I didthe edit, yes, thinks, mom.
(36:59):
When I and see when I did theedit of Georgia's episode.
Oh yeah.
Shout out, Georgia.
SPEAKER_00 (37:06):
Yeah, we'll tack we'll put that in the show
notes.
SPEAKER_01 (37:08):
Yes.
She talked about doing beautyservices for others, um, instead
of herself.
She um she said that she likeddoing stuff for herself, not for
others, and that really clickedwith me.
I I texted her while I wasediting.
See, I'm doing it again.
That's okay.
While I was editing the episode,um, because I used to get lash
(37:32):
extensions when I was like 19 to24 because they made me feel
beautiful.
Not because I could give a fuckwhat boys thought about me or
whatever, but they made me feelpowerful, they made me feel
beautiful.
So I immediately texted her andwas like, girl, you made me feel
so seen while editing thispodcast.
SPEAKER_00 (37:53):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (37:54):
And so, like, even that, even what even Georgia's
simple statement, I have nevermet Georgia.
SPEAKER_00 (37:59):
She's awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (38:00):
Yeah, she lives in the Midwest.
I've never met Georgia, I'vejust texted with her.
But in that simple statement,she got me.
Yeah, you know, and so even inthat statement, I I she saw me.
Yeah.
And so if aestheticians just goton your podcast more or like
(38:21):
said stuff like that, yeah, in asimple story, I feel like you
just bond more with people, likejust saying those truths out
loud.
Yeah, you just you just connectwith people.
Like, yeah, I was just like,Yes, I don't get stuff done on
my body to please anyone elsebut myself.
(38:42):
Yeah.
Well, I used to, not now.
Not now.
Like now I do it because I wantto feel pretty, because it makes
me feel good.
SPEAKER_00 (38:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:50):
And so I connected with Georgia.
Georgia and I will be lifelongfriends.
SPEAKER_00 (38:54):
She's pretty incredible.
I could go on and on aboutGeorgia, and we will, we will.
Well, actually, I did on thepodcast, but she is one of the
most amazing little young humansthat that I've known that I've
met in a really long time.
And I just I it's an honor toteach by her side.
But um, yeah, I love that I andI love that you had the the
(39:15):
guts, so to speak, to reach outto her.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:18):
I immediately texted her.
SPEAKER_00 (39:19):
I was like, girl, I think listen in my language.
And that's the beauty of this isyou know, we're all on these
podcasts and and in thesetreatment rooms and on these
trade show stages and in tradeshow booths, and we're all
human.
SPEAKER_01 (39:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:31):
We're all human.
SPEAKER_01 (39:32):
And I'm not even an aesthetician.
And I went, girl, I feel you.
Right?
Because I've gotten thatservice.
SPEAKER_00 (39:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:38):
And because I've gotten the sugaring service,
yeah, I can text Jody and belike, oh, you see her hand?
That's not correct.
SPEAKER_00 (39:48):
I'm turning all of you non-estheticians into
converts where you can all judgethe mold and flick.
I love it.
Um, let's let's talk about uhburnout.
So so many people, especiallyaestheticians, struggle with
burnout from constantly giving.
What are some of the practicesthat you have learned that help
you refill your own cup?
(40:09):
Because you did a lot of work inthis area for yourself.
SPEAKER_01 (40:12):
Yeah.
So, like I mentioned earlier,I've been trying to get back
into reading.
So, me and my best friend umboth have the Goodreads app.
SPEAKER_00 (40:20):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:21):
And there's this thing where you can like list
the amount of books you want toread.
SPEAKER_00 (40:26):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (40:26):
And we're kind of in this competition where you can
list the amount of books youwant to read.
SPEAKER_00 (40:32):
Oh my gosh, it's like the summer reading program
at the library.
SPEAKER_01 (40:34):
Yeah, she's beating me hardcore.
SPEAKER_00 (40:36):
So cute though.
SPEAKER_01 (40:36):
Well, she works from home, but you know, whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (40:39):
Uh she's not wrestling high school students
on campus.
SPEAKER_01 (40:42):
No, she works from home.
She works for Vision's uhcharter school.
Oh, okay.
So she she I mean, she wrestlesthem online.
So yeah.
But she she reads more than me.
But just getting back into thatand spending time with my dogs
and saying no, like I said, I'mI'm a yes girl.
And so taking the time just todo that.
(41:02):
Um and taking mental healthdays, it's if you have sick
days, you can use them formental health days.
Like if you don't use them, youwill lose them.
SPEAKER_00 (41:14):
Yeah, yeah.
And for those of you who aresolo aestheticians, you know,
there's really no reason why youcan't.
I mean, I wouldn't bail onsomebody at the last minute,
right?
Oh, yeah.
But if you're like, if you'rereally grinding and you're like,
you know what, I have a lightday on Friday or have a light
day on Monday, I'm gonna scoochthose people together and maybe
just come in for two hours.
But I'm gonna spend the morninglike, like almost, you know,
(41:38):
just checking out and don'tscroll and don't do anything,
but maybe do a little yin yogaor do a little meditation or you
know, just go for a walk withyour dog and put your feet in
the grass.
Like sometimes that's what youreally need to do.
And you know, solos need to comein and get the work done because
that's how they, you know, thehow they make their money.
Um, but solos, you can getcreative with your calendar and
(41:58):
you know, really make it happenso that you can have a mental
health day.
Yeah.
Um, so you seem to have a prettybig theme in the Just Breathe
Confessionals podcast that's umis becoming softer with yourself
and finding connection along theway.
What do those things mean toyou?
(42:19):
And why do you think they wouldmatter for the people that
you've experienced asaestheticians?
SPEAKER_01 (42:24):
Um, for me, becoming softer means offering myself
compassion instead of constantcriticism.
I've spent years carrying shameand telling myself I should be
further along.
SPEAKER_00 (42:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (42:39):
I'm 30, yikes.
Oh, please.
Um, but growth happens withgrace.
Connection has also been a key.
Family, friends like you, evensmall exchanges with strangers
that made me feel seen.
(43:00):
Like when I texted Georgia afterher episode because she put into
words something I'd carried foryears.
Um, estheticians need bothreminders to be gentle with
themselves and to lean oncommunity.
Yes.
That combination makes work andtheir lives more sustainable.
SPEAKER_00 (43:19):
Oh my gosh, it's so true.
You know, I I think we tend togrind for everybody else, like
we talked about earlier.
And we have to be really gentle,you know.
It's it's interesting from theother perspective of when you
walk in the door with a lot ofshame and guilt and heavy, heavy
baggage, and someone just kindlylooks at you and says, Hey, I
(43:39):
got this.
Come lay down.
That's not very very grand of agesture, but it could wipe out
someone's like negativity in asentence.
You know, so useticians bereally, really mindful of, you
know, not bringing your stuffinto the treatment room, um,
making sure that it's number oneabout the client, but then
(44:01):
turning around and acknowledgingthat you need to take care of
yourself after work.
Like, wow, I'm really tired orI'm really fried, or everything
everyone says is annoying me.
Yeah.
I did those days.
Right.
Which which is probably a lot umwith the high school students.
Um, but yeah, it's really aboutyou know being mindful of the
(44:23):
profession that you have, thatyou, you know, you gotta do the
work.
You can't be taking sick daysall the time, right?
And if you feel like you needto, then you need to get to the
bottom of that.
SPEAKER_01 (44:30):
Yeah.
Because you can love what youdo, but you also need to love
yourself as well.
Like in the words of RuPaul, ifyou don't love yourself, how in
the hell are you gonna lovesomebody else?
SPEAKER_00 (44:44):
Woo-go.
SPEAKER_01 (44:46):
Damn straight.
SPEAKER_00 (44:47):
That's right.
So, all right, girl, if someonewas listening today and just
wants to dip into the JustBreathe Confessionals, which
episode do you recommend theystart with and why?
SPEAKER_01 (44:57):
Well, I think you should start with the intro.
SPEAKER_00 (45:01):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (45:01):
Because it lays out the heart of the podcast and
what just breathe means.
But if you want to dive into thedeeper stuff, I'd say start with
episode one.
That's where I talk about myanxiety and my self-love.
Um, each one stands alone, Ithink, like stands by itself,
(45:21):
but together they circle aroundthe same idea.
Giving yourself permission topause, reflect, and just be
honest with yourself.
Each episode is pretty muchdifferent, but it's all just
focuses on reflection andhonesty.
The one that comes out on Fridayis called, well, this will be
(45:43):
out after Friday.
So the one that comes out Themost recent one.
Yeah, the most recent one thatcomes out October 3rd is called
The Awkward Art of Growing Up,and it's about puberty.
Yay, puberty.
SPEAKER_00 (45:57):
That was a really long time ago for me.
Yeah.
Um I think you need to interviewme on the show about menopause,
which I never thought I wouldget to.
Oh my.
So, okay, girl, what do you hopethat anyone tuning in,
especially aestheticians, walkaway with after listening to
your podcast?
SPEAKER_01 (46:17):
My hope is that people feel less alone, that
they hear my stories and thinkme too.
SPEAKER_00 (46:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (46:25):
From there, that they can give themselves
permission to breathe, to pause,to care for their own hearts.
Healing isn't just for whenyou're broken, it's an ongoing
process.
We all deserve to become softer,stronger, and more ourselves
along the way because we're allgrowing.
SPEAKER_00 (46:45):
Oh, understatement.
And I think if we can have graceabout that, you know, when other
people are in the room with you,I think some people feel like,
oh, everyone else is beautifuland in here.
Everyone else has got their acttogether.
Everyone, look at that beautifullady.
Look at how well she's got itput it together.
Let me tell you, I'm with peopleevery half hour, they're a hot
mess express.
Yeah, you know, and it's justhow the package comes.
(47:07):
So I think that, you know,really listening to these
confessionals and givingyourself some br, you know, some
peace.
Um, you're catching a break foryourself, you know.
Um, I think it was really it'sbeen really healthy for you to
do the podcast.
Yeah.
I think it's healthy for peopleto listen to your heart, which
really comes out in the episode.
So great job, girl.
And, you know, I think that justtaking a little time to listen
(47:29):
to podcasts like this as you'redriving or, you know, walking
the dog, or you know, they touchthe heart, they touch the soul,
and that's what we're trying todo.
SPEAKER_01 (47:36):
So yeah, I'm excited.
I checked this morning and it'sin seven countries now.
Whoop whoop and my boyfriend'sfavorite country is Egypt, and
it's in Egypt, and he's like,Your podcast has made it to
Egypt.
SPEAKER_00 (47:51):
Yeah.
Oh, I love this technologyworld.
It's just so incredible.
So incredible.
Thank you so much for being onthe show, girl.
And thanks for having me.
I think it's funny that you'regonna edit your own voice, and
it's fine.
Yes.
Um, and also just that you havea chance to provide your
perspective.
And I think there are a lot ofpeople that are listening, not
only to your show, but to thisone, that say, I just want to
(48:13):
feel heard, I want to feel seen.
And that is what we're doingwith the sugar tribe and the
show.
And you know, what we're doingwith Love to Sugar is kind of
that holistic sugar proesthetician.
We're not just, oh, learn how tosugar, you know, it's it's learn
how to be human in the process.
SPEAKER_01 (48:29):
Yeah, it's the human experience.
That's what a lot of peopleforget is yes, sugaring is your
business, but we are all humans.
And though I may not sugar withyou guys, I am still human and I
am still with you, and I fightfiercely for you.
I love you.
SPEAKER_00 (48:47):
Oh, yes, you do.
You would throw yourself infront of a train for our team.
And I we are so blessed.
I know that the educators thatare listening to this are I love
them.
I know.
You really do, like a sister.
And so that's what's reallybeautiful about our team is you
know, every single person on theteam, from the person that makes
the sugar to the person that it,you know, promotes us, which is
(49:10):
you.
Um, you know, you all get itfrom, you know, our guy in India
that does all our yeah um, youknow, meta stuff and and our our
distributors and ourmanufacturers and our label
makers, you know, like we becomefriends with everyone.
And and it's it's about beingable to breathe and have grace
and to just be a really amazinghuman.
SPEAKER_01 (49:31):
So thanks for being on the team, kid.
So check out my podcast everyother Friday.
Just breathe confessionalswherever you listen to your
podcast.
SPEAKER_00 (49:39):
Yeah, girl.
All right, Tigger Tribe, thanksso much for spending time with
us.
And I look forward to nextmonth's episode where we are
going to launch something very,very new.
Welcome back to this episode of The Sugar Show.
This one is going to be a littledifferent for us today because I
am interviewing one of ourfavorite members on the Love to
Sugar team.
As you know, our team is growingleaps and bounds.
We have not only educators, butwe have ad specialists.
(00:27):
We now have a social mediamanager.
We have all kinds of folks tohelp us strategize to get the
word out to you and spread thepassion of sugar.
So you have seen the work ofthis beautiful human, but you
have not seen her.
On this episode, I have Dariawith us.
I've asked her to come on theshow for many, many reasons,
(00:49):
mostly because we have suchgreat conversations in general,
but also because she is has areally great um perspective on
being a client that has sensorystruggles, I guess you would
say.
And also she has become inspiredto start her own podcast, which
I think you will find to be veryinteresting and heartwarming.
(01:12):
And it will really touch alittle part of you that maybe
might resonate with you becauseyou are experiencing similar
things, or maybe your clients uhexperience similar experiences
to Daria, and you can uh relatein many, many ways.
So this episode again is just alittle bit different.
We are sitting in the lobby ofSugar Mamas in Folsom,
(01:34):
California, and we are justshooting the breeze.
So we're gonna we're gonna justuh just do a little chillaxing
and talking about what makes ourheart happy.
So, Miss Daria, welcome to thesugar show.
SPEAKER_01 (01:47):
Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_00 (01:50):
She has a cutest giggle, by the way.
She's gonna giggle throughoutthis thing, which is really fun.
Um, so Daria, let's just getright into it.
Um, you have been our socialmedia manager.
Gosh, how long now?
SPEAKER_01 (02:02):
I think maybe a year and a half.
SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
Gots, it was before the Sacramento show, so it's
easily been a year and a half.
Yeah, a year and a half.
Yeah, and you have really seenus through a lot in this last
little bit.
Daria is famous for uh gettingme to do random dances and
pointing at things.
She'll say, Shannon, want you towalk in the room, point up,
laugh, and walk out of the room.
SPEAKER_01 (02:24):
And take off your glasses.
SPEAKER_00 (02:26):
Oh, yes.
And she always yells at me totake off my glasses because they
provide a glare.
So Daria started out very shywith me because I have a big
bold personality, but then shenow quickly has figured out that
if she tells me what to do, thatum all things go smoother.
So again, welcome, Daria, and uhand thank you for your patience
with me as a as a subject.
SPEAKER_01 (02:46):
You're welcome.
SPEAKER_00 (02:47):
Okay, so I want to start um with, we're gonna get
to your podcast, but I reallywant to start with talking to
you about just what it is thatyou know, you're a client of
ours as well.
Yes.
And it's a little different foryou.
Talk about how you are a littlebit different than the average
person that comes into thetreatment room and uh what what
(03:09):
your experience has been withsugar so far.
SPEAKER_01 (03:11):
So I have a lot of sensory issues, I would say.
I'm really sensitive to smells,and a lot of the products that
you guys use are really smelly.
They either smell like, in myopinion, old lady rosy, and I
(03:34):
don't like it, but uh that's theproduct you guys have, right?
So I kind of just have to dealwith it, right?
Or they're just really strong.
And so a lot of the times I willsay, like, if you have to use
that, I understand.
But if you don't, or if ifthere's an alternative, can you
(03:54):
use that?
And sometimes you guys havealternatives, which is great.
Um I also am like prettysensitive to certain products.
I don't know why, but I willbreak out depending on the
products, um, which isinteresting because I don't
break out when I shave.
Um, but sometimes when I do getsugared, I break out, even if I
(04:18):
um exfoliate, which you'vetaught me.
SPEAKER_00 (04:21):
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (04:22):
Um, so it's just interesting, and then I really
don't like silence in thetreatment room, but I also don't
like really loud music.
So I like the happy medium, soI'm very honest if you're
talking too much.
No, or if there's not enoughtalking.
(04:47):
And to some people that could betoo needy of a clientele, but
for me, a person with anxiety, Ineed to have somebody who I feel
comfortable with.
SPEAKER_00 (05:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:02):
And so I'm very upfront and honest to whoever
I'm going to, whether it's alash artist or a hairstylist,
I'm gonna ask questions.
Yeah, I'm I wanna know whatyou're doing to me.
SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:17):
And I don't think that maybe um people understand
that most of the time.
Like I want to know the serviceyou're providing for me because
my anxiety is wondering thattoo.
SPEAKER_00 (05:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:30):
I want to know that I'm safe in your hands.
SPEAKER_00 (05:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:33):
And so my mind's going a thousand miles an hour
and you're putting somethingwarm on my body, and I want to
know what you're doing to me.
SPEAKER_00 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
You know, I think it's reallyimportant for us as
aestheticians to, uh, whetheryou're a sugar pro or not, to
really be mindful um in theclient intake portion.
You know, I mean, I already knewDaria when we first started with
this, but you know, in theclient intake piece, it is about
medicine, it is about, you know,sensitivities.
But I think it's really good tohave the conversation with your
(06:02):
client about, you know, anysensitivities they have.
Do they have sensitivities tolight, to temperature?
You know, a hot towel might justsend someone Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (06:13):
I hate that.
SPEAKER_00 (06:14):
Right?
And I actually didn't know thatabout you, but if I put a hot
towel on you, what does thatmake you feel like?
SPEAKER_01 (06:19):
I'm suffocating.
Yes, Audrey, who works at SugarMamas, I love Audrey.
Um, she gives me facialssometimes because I help with
the sugar mama's social media,and I feel like I'm suffocating.
And so she does not put towelson my face anymore.
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:36):
Because I just don't like it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (06:38):
Um, even if you do steam, I also feel like I'm
suffocating.
But that is a natural step infacials.
But if that was an all if thatwas on an intake form, I could
say decline, but it's not on anintake form.
I've never seen it on an intakeform for a facial.
SPEAKER_00 (06:58):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (06:58):
I just don't think it's um usually on that stuff.
But I yeah, I feel like I'mbeing buried alive.
SPEAKER_00 (07:04):
Yeah, and and that's interesting, right?
Because we talked about in a ina reel the other day about your
intake form being like a living,breathing document.
And I think if you do not have,do you like steam?
What temperatures do you are doyou struggle with?
If you don't have that on yourintake form, the aesthetician's
never gonna know.
And so then it causes angstwhile you're in a facial and it
(07:28):
really does ruin the experiencefor you.
So I think the very first timethat you work with a client,
I'll say this to the audience,the very first time you work
with a client, you really haveto ask them things beyond the
medications, but like, do youstruggle with um, you know,
closed spaces?
Do you struggle with because alot of times it's just the
towel, might not even be warm.
SPEAKER_01 (07:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:47):
Um, do you struggle with heat?
Do you struggle with steam?
You know, and so that way youhave a plan B.
For example, you talked aboutRose.
You do not like the center rose,like that just sends you.
SPEAKER_01 (07:58):
Yeah, but a lot of your clients do because
obviously I'm in the room makingreels.
They go, I love it.
And I'm always like over heregagging, and I'm just like,
yeah, it's so great, guys.
It's really, I I just don't likeit.
Yeah, but then uh you've gottenstuff that I love, lavender, and
then it doesn't even smell likelavender, so I'm like, okay.
(08:19):
Yeah.
And you've also used me as atest dummy to smell incoming
products that you have.
Yes, I'm very intelligent.
SPEAKER_00 (08:28):
Yes, you are.
Um, but I think it is wise tosay, okay, and some of these
things are not fragranced, yeah,but the ingredients that they
have, like I have a product thathas a powdered aloe in it.
SPEAKER_01 (08:41):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (08:42):
I think it smells divine.
SPEAKER_01 (08:44):
I did not.
SPEAKER_00 (08:45):
And you did not.
So I put those products in frontof her nose all the time so that
I can really be mindful of like,you know, is this Daria approved
or not?
But I think if you do havesomeone that's sensitive and you
do bring a new product line, ifthat client does not like, say,
the micler water or um theaftercare lotion, find out first
(09:06):
before you go slathering thatall over their face, because it
might not be something thatmakes their heart happy or their
nose or their stomach happy.
So really be mindful of having aplan B, a soothing serum that's
a plan B, something that um Iknow that you're really
sensitive.
Like you had a bug bite earlier,and you're like, oh my gosh,
it's stinging, it's so crazy.
And I was able to put, I loveHale and Hush's, but um, shout
(09:27):
out to them, uh, bioreliefpowder and um a relief
biopowder.
I always freaking say thatwrong.
Um, but anyway, they're powderbecause it really does take um
insect bites um to the, youknow, takes all the sting and
pain out.
And that works.
I have that as an emergency inmy back bar, you know, for
anybody that has an oddreaction.
And I love that you now realizethat, you know, I might know
(09:48):
what I'm doing when I put it onyou.
SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
You're my menacing, Mom.
I got stung by a wasp earlierthis morning and I said it hurt.
And then she's like, Oh, I gotsomething for that.
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
Yeah.
So I always got something forthat.
It's my hoodoo voodoo.
I always got those things.
But mindfully, if you know,there is a product that has some
people cannot do lavender, somepeople absolutely cannot stand
the smell of a woodsy something,you know, like it's just there's
just different people that, youknow, just respond to things
differently.
So you can say, especially whenyou're putting something on the
(10:18):
face, yeah, hey, how do you dowith rose?
How do you do with lavender?
How do you do with, you know,whatever it is that you have on
their for their skin?
Because it really does make adifference in the experience
they're having in general.
Yeah.
The other thing I will say is alot of clients like yourself,
well, not like you, you are veryoutgoing and you will tell me
exactly what you don't like.
(10:39):
But there are a lot of you thathave sensory issues that will
say nothing and will grin andbear it and will absolutely
struggle.
And so if you have a client thatis ultra, ultra quiet, don't
just say, Are you okay?
You say specifically, how's thescent for you?
How's the temperature for you?
So they can answer that questiondirectly instead of not wanting
(11:00):
to hurt your feelings.
So I think that's reallyimportant.
SPEAKER_01 (11:02):
I am like that at the beginning.
Like if I go to see someone likefor a first time, like I was
that way when I first met you,like a year or I don't know,
about two years ago it was.
About two years ago.
But like now I'm more vocal withyou.
But like if I'm going to seesomeone for the first time, I'm
(11:23):
kind of like in my head and I'mlike, is it supposed to feel
like that?
Do I question their artwork?
Like, because to me it's like anart form.
SPEAKER_00 (11:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:33):
And so I'm like, how dare I question them?
That's how I their technique.
Yeah.
Yes, exactly.
Like, I don't know how to dothis.
Like, I'm paying them.
Like recently I went to um getmy hair braided, and I'm paying
a lady to get my hair braidedbecause I can't braid my hair
for I can't.
(11:53):
Can I cuss?
No, yes, I can't I can't braidmy hair for shit.
And it was gonna be a hot day inFolsom, and I work at Folsom
High School, and I was gonna beoutside, and this lady, God
bless her heart, was pregnant,had pregobrain, and like was
just really hurting my head.
(12:14):
And I don't know how to braid,so I can't correct her.
And what I should have done wasjust said, hey, I'm gonna get
off out of this chair and leavebecause you're not in the state
of mind to braid my hair.
SPEAKER_00 (12:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:29):
But I stayed in that chair for over two hours until
she could get the braid, and allI was wanting was one braid.
Two hours?
Yeah.
And she ended up doing it, butit was not the braid I wanted.
But I got it done.
It was not what I wanted, but Ileft with it.
Yeah.
(12:49):
Because I'm just sometimes notvocally comfortable saying what
I want to say.
SPEAKER_00 (12:57):
Yeah.
So I I think as yourpractitioner, you know, if that
was me, I would notice that youwere quiet and I would check in.
So I think it's really importantfor sugar pros and
aestheticians, especially, toknow that if you have a client
that's exceptionally quiet, thatmeans a few different things.
Yeah.
It means they just need a littlepeace right now.
It could also mean that theydon't know how to say to you
(13:23):
what they're not happy about.
It could mean they're notlistening at all or paying
attention because their life isso crazy.
It could also mean absolutelynothing.
So I think we need to be mindfuland say, hey, check in, how's
that temperature for you?
Yeah.
Hey, how's, you know, um, how'sthe, you know, is the volume in
the on the radio okay?
Do you like this music?
You know, really check in to thepulse of what your customers are
(13:46):
and your clientele is isthinking and feeling so that
they will come back.
And it seems as though you'recared about them.
SPEAKER_01 (13:53):
Yeah, but you could also like there are times I've
gone to like a hairstylist andbeen like, hey, I'm not in the
mood to talk today, but I loveyou.
Yeah.
And that's fine too.
Yeah.
I think that's totallyappropriate.
And that's something you couldput on an intake form too.
Like, uh, I don't like to talk,but I'm here for the service.
Like, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (14:12):
Yeah.
The other thing too is we'regoing to talk about estheticians
in the next little bit becausethat's um the the biggest part
of this conversation.
But for estheticians, it istotally fine if you aren't
feeling it to say, hey, I'mhaving a super mellow day.
I'm going to sugar and work onyou.
Um, you need to probably try tomuscle up your best.
But if you just can't, you know,there is no reason why you
(14:35):
switch things up and make arelaxing experience for your
customer.
Yeah.
So, say, for example, yourclient says, um, you know, you
walk in and you're like, oh,you're just not feeling the day.
There is absolutely no reasonwhy you can't put a neck roll
under their head, put someessential oils behind their
ears, ask them, of course, ifthey like the scent, and just
say, Hey, I'm gonna have yourelax today.
I know we talk usually a lot,but um, for some reason, I'm I'm
(14:59):
just not feeling it, or youknow, you know, I'm just like in
a in a super quiet space, andI'm having all of my clients
chill out today.
We're switching things up.
Oh my gosh, people would love tonot have to entertain you.
SPEAKER_01 (15:10):
I'd rather you be honest with me and not fake it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
Like as somebody who's working on me.
SPEAKER_00 (15:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:17):
I'd rather not fake conversations because us as
clients can tell when you'rebeing fake too.
SPEAKER_00 (15:24):
Oh my god.
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (15:25):
It's like, how's the weather out?
Oh, it's great.
Okay, we're having a fakeconversation.
I already know that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:31):
And a lot of time it's because, you know, we've
got your legs in the air.
So there's that.
Yeah.
No, we haven't done that withyou, but we've only done your
brows.
But yeah, but at the end of theday, there are people that are
just really, really, reallyuncomfortable.
SPEAKER_01 (15:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:44):
And, you know, especially if it's a first-time
Brazilian or bikini, they'rereally uncomfortable to, you
know, drop their drawers.
And you have to have thatconversation.
You know, we've talked aboutthis for the last couple of
weeks, is having theseconversations, have them with
your customers, your clients,um, have them with other
aestheticians and your boss, andyou know, be really clear about
what's going on for you.
Because if you have sensoryissues, which I do not,
(16:06):
thankfully, but if you havesensory sensory issues,
everything is expanded for you.
SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
Yeah, overall.
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (16:12):
Yeah, from the the hardness of the bed, firmness of
the bed to the smell in the roomto you're hypersensitive, right?
You're hyper aware.
SPEAKER_01 (16:20):
Yeah, I'm aware of every little thing um in your
room, especially, or everywhere.
Yeah, every time I lay on thebed, I'm like, okay, my body
doesn't fit, uh, the lights aretoo bright, uh, that's making
that sound.
But but that's not anything onthe esthetician or the
esthetician's room.
(16:42):
That's just what my mind'sthinking.
SPEAKER_00 (16:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
But I don't think the esthetician can do anything
to help my mind.
You know, that's just my mind.
SPEAKER_00 (16:53):
Well, we can't help your mind, but we can be aware
of it, right?
And so I can know and I can takenotes on you as a as a uh
client, and I can say, hey, shedoes not love Rose.
She does not love loud music,but she sure loves, you know,
easy rock.
And give her a little FleetwoodMac and an unscented product,
(17:14):
you know, and you and she willknow that you've taken care of
her and you've thought abouther.
Yeah.
And that is really, reallycritical is you have to know
your clients.
You have to take notes on allyour clients so that you
absolutely they walk in and Iknow not to put rose on you.
I just know this.
SPEAKER_01 (17:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:30):
And I have a lot of clients, but I make sure that I
take notes on everybody so thatI know exactly what's going on.
Okay, so I want to get intobasically why, well, what else
you're doing as it relates toestheticians and actually just
humans in general, because weare all human and we all have
needs, special needs.
(17:51):
Um, you know, and one of thethings that is really fun is not
only do you so do our socialmedia, but you do, um, you're
the editor for my podcast.
For those of you that did notknow, she is the editor for the
podcast.
And she's, you know, I she'susually behind the scenes, and
now she's gonna be in front ofthe scenes on this episode.
Um, but I want to first put acaveat out there that we are
(18:16):
gonna talk about some thingsthat might touch, you know, some
sensitive parts when talk alittle bit about mental health.
And, you know, this is at yourdiscretion, audience, if this is
something that you want tolisten to.
Um, Daria's um got a podcast.
And, you know, let's just let'sjust dive into your podcast and
what it's about and how it canbe really helpful to um to the
(18:39):
you know, to the listeners thatare listening to our show, but
also for folks that, you know,really want to kind of dive into
this other area.
So talk a little bit, first ofall, about what why you started
the podcast and what it's about.
SPEAKER_01 (18:52):
Uh all right.
So I have obviously been editingyour podcast for a while now,
and it's kind of just made mewanna start one on my own.
Like I've always wanted to starta podcast, but I never really
(19:12):
had the guts to.
And then when I started editingyours, I was like, I think this
is something I can do.
And so I came up with a titlecalled Just Breathe
Confessionals.
Um, just breathe, because it'ssomething my dad would always
say to me when I was having uhpanic attacks growing up.
(19:33):
Not anything mean, but in a dadway, you know.
SPEAKER_00 (19:35):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (19:36):
And so it's called Just Breathe Confessionals, it's
a reflective truth-tellingpodcast where I share personal
stories about my anxiety,heartbreak, healing, and like
the messy process of becoming.
Um I spend so much time behindthe scenes editing the sugar
(19:57):
show.
It just showed me how powerfulit is when people speak their
truths out loud.
The aestheticians, clients,everyone.
And for me, it it came from aplace of caring trauma.
My parents' divorce, my owndivorce, which a lot of people
don't know about me because Ikept that a secret.
(20:18):
So that's something new peoplewill find out about me.
And I just realized that silencewas only making it a lot heavier
in my life.
So once I started speaking thosethings out loud, it felt like I
could finally breathe again.
And that's the heart of thepodcast, creating space to
release what's really been stuckinside.
(20:39):
And it just felt like reallyrefreshing to tell that out
loud.
SPEAKER_00 (20:43):
I'm so proud of you.
SPEAKER_01 (20:44):
Well, you inspired me.
SPEAKER_00 (20:46):
I just I love that I love that this is the direction
that you took it, though.
It's super healthy and healingand you know, audience, I think
what's really important for whenyou listen to this piece of the
episode is, you know, if itdoesn't resonate with you
because you're not someone thathas anxiety or or you know, any
of the the traumas, which Ithink we all have some, or you
(21:06):
know, or we are, or we lovepeople that do, you know, I
think it's really important tounderstand what the human
condition is and that yourclientele could be going with
through these things and maybe apodcast like this would help
them.
I think that having tools inyour toolbox, I always love
having um, you know, adermatologist I can recommend or
a podcast I can recommend, or,you know, any sort of
(21:29):
professional assistance that Ican give to my clients is really
helpful.
And that's why, Daria, I I'mloving that you're doing this as
a badass babe.
Um, but I also love that you canreally kind of give some insight
to to my aestheticians, youknow, and our sugar tribe that
they can learn from bothpersonally and professionally.
(21:53):
And so if you have someone whenyou're listening to this, you're
like, oh wow, this is perfectfor my client Sally, or wow,
that's actually perfect for me.
I didn't even realize it.
You know, you have so many goodtopics on here, and we'll get to
chatting about those in just asecond.
But that's really why I wantedyou on was for you to be able to
just relate with people and youknow, they can leave comments
and you can answer those becauseyou are the one that answers a
(22:15):
lot of that stuff.
Yes, I am, you know, so you'vegot a direct access.
Um, but let's just get rightinto it.
And, you know, it's reallyyou've described the Just
Breathe Confessionals, which ison all the major podcasts, you
know, Spotify, Apple, all that.
Yeah.
And you've described your showas a journey of self-discovery,
(22:36):
self-love, self-forgiveness.
Why do you think those themesresonate with so many of us,
especially aestheticians who areso often focused on taking care
of others?
SPEAKER_01 (22:49):
I think because self-discovery and self-love are
all struggles we all face.
I'm not an aesthetician myself,as we've said.
But I've seen so many of myclose friends, especially you
and even my aunt, who's amassage therapist, pour so much
(23:10):
of themselves into others.
SPEAKER_00 (23:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (23:13):
That constant giving can be so draining if you don't
refill your own cup.
And my podcast touches on thatreminder you can't keep showing
up for others if you aren'ttaking care of yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (23:26):
Yes.
Yes.
You know, it's so funny.
We that's sweet that you saythat because we literally every
half hour are take care ofeveryone else, everyone else,
everyone else.
And then some of us go home andtake care of our families,
everyone else, everyone else,and then there's just like
minutes left over for us, andthen we fall into bed, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (23:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (23:43):
And so if we're constantly giving and giving and
giving, especially in these lastfew weeks when the topics have
been really, you know, big andheavy, and and it's every half
hour we're giving and giving andgiving.
And, you know, I think that thisis really, really important.
You know, um, you open up aboutyour journey with anxiety in
(24:05):
these episodes.
And have you found lessons fromyour experiences that
aestheticians can carry into thetreatment room when working with
clients who might be holdingstress or emotional weight?
SPEAKER_01 (24:17):
Yeah, so we've kind of touched on this a little bit
already, but anxiety's taught methat you never really know what
somebody is carrying.
SPEAKER_00 (24:26):
Oh, so true.
SPEAKER_01 (24:28):
Um, so true.
Like that dochy song, anxiety.
SPEAKER_00 (24:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (24:32):
Somebody's watching me.
Um, for me, silence can make meanxious, like I've already said.
So if I'm in a treatment room, Iwant to ask questions, I want to
know step by step on what'shappening.
Uh, that's not typical protocol,uh, but it's how my anxiety
shows up.
It's just always constantlythere.
(24:52):
And I think letting clients setthe tone, um, silence or
conversation or an explanationcan go a long way, especially
for people dealing with anxietyuh in the treatment room,
especially.
SPEAKER_00 (25:07):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, both sides, right?
Yeah.
Because some people are like,Will you please stop talking?
And other people are like, So,tell me more about you.
Yeah.
You know, and especially infacials, that's hard.
But, you know, there's a lot ofpeople, even, you know, sugaring
is a very, is a very talky kindof treatment.
Um, but sometimes people justwant to lay there and they don't
want to talk to you and they itcauses them anxiety.
(25:29):
So I think we have to be verymindful as practitioners what
we're dealing with, you know,with with each client that that
lays on our table.
Because we often become somekind of a safe space for clients
to vent and unload.
And like I said, the last coupleof weeks has been really um full
of that.
And from your perspective,Daria, what can beauty
(25:51):
professionals do to protecttheir own mental health while
while still holding space forothers?
That's a big chat challenge.
SPEAKER_01 (25:57):
Yeah, so I've actually been learning a lot
from editing the sugar show.
Um, I think I've edited maybelike 10 episodes now.
Um something that I've learnedis how deeply sugar pros love
their clients.
Right.
(26:17):
Um, but balance matters so much.
You can be so supportive andstill need to take a step back.
Um, I've seen you go getservices from other
aestheticians, and that's suchan important reminder that
estheticians need estheticians.
Yes, um it's no different fromtelling a partner, I need a
(26:40):
moment.
Giving yourself that grace isn'ta weakness.
It's what makes your connectionsmore sustainable.
SPEAKER_00 (26:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:49):
Um, it's just learning the balance, and it it
it happens in life too, likesaying no.
Um, I think is an important lifetool that you start learning as
an adult is saying no, um, whichI'm still learning.
And I think you are too.
SPEAKER_00 (27:07):
Oh.
I'm like 30 years older thanyou, and I'm still learning
that.
SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
You don't need to tell them that.
SPEAKER_00 (27:12):
Yeah.
Well, I said I'm proud of it.
I'm old and proud.
Um I you know, I I think aswell, we need to be mindful
that, you know, we have tocommunicate with each other.
SPEAKER_01 (27:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:25):
You know, and even you, you're doing the social
media, you're like, there's beena couple days where we set up to
film and you're like, I ain'tfeeling this today.
SPEAKER_01 (27:31):
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm very honest with you becauseone, you're my boss.
And two, if I'm not honest withyou and I come, there's been
days I do come here and you lookat me, you go, Are you okay?
And I'm like, No, I'm not.
SPEAKER_00 (27:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:47):
And you can tell too, like my eyes are closing,
and I'm just like, meh.
Because this is my second job.
SPEAKER_00 (27:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:53):
And like I work with teenagers all day, and sometimes
they just make me tired.
SPEAKER_00 (27:59):
Yeah.
They're hard.
They're hard.
Yes, yes.
And you know, I think that like,like we were saying, we have to
be open.
We have to communicate.
You have to talk to your boss oryour colleagues about like,
gosh, I am just not feelingsuper 100% today, you know?
Um, and then work on doing thosethings to make you better.
Yeah.
You're not going to the drink,you're not gonna, you know,
(28:21):
smoke weed or do whatever yourcrutches are.
It's like you gotta find waysthat like maybe it's your
hormones that are imbalanced,maybe, you know, you've just
been overstimulated that day.
Like, I mean, I think at the endof the day, you know, and you
talk about this in your podcast,um, we have to be mindful of
having tools in our estheticiantoolbox to, you know, be able to
(28:42):
pick ourselves up and out of it.
SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
Yeah.
Like I've been trying to getback into reading as a tool.
Like, I used to love reading,but I don't even have the time
to read.
And that's disappointing becauseit shouldn't be that hard to
read a book.
SPEAKER_00 (28:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:57):
But as an adult, it is like I see these TikTok
videos of adults planning datesjust to go out with friends, and
they're like, Oh, I can't evendo that.
Like they're planning years outin advance, and it's like, yeah,
it's gotten to that pointsometimes where I can't even
plan a date with a friend.
Like, even scheduling this withyou, it's like, I'm busy, I'm
busy, I'm busy.
SPEAKER_00 (29:17):
Yeah, I know, I know.
Well, I'm kind of a special herespecial case these days.
SPEAKER_01 (29:22):
You're fine though.
SPEAKER_00 (29:24):
Yeah, yeah.
Um, okay, so gosh, there's somuch to talk to you about.
Um, do you think that okay?
Let me let me actually go back.
So, your Just BreatheConfessionals podcast, just in
case um people are tuning in inthe middle of this, um, is about
telling stories about storiesthat we often keep hidden.
(29:47):
How do you think speaking yourtruth out loud has changed the
way you see yourself?
SPEAKER_01 (29:52):
At first, it was pretty terrifying because I
don't like the sound of myvoice.
Even when we record livestogether, I'm like Ugh, gross.
SPEAKER_00 (30:01):
Um, I'd you actually have a very soothing voice.
SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
So that's what my boyfriend said, and I was like,
he speaks nerdy to me.
SPEAKER_00 (30:09):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (30:10):
Um, I'd record an episode and then I'd feel like I
was talking for like hours, andthen I realized it was only for
eight minutes, and I was like,Okay.
So this is a lot harder than Ithought it was, but the more I
did it, the more I realized howmuch shame I'd been holding on
to just by staying quiet.
(30:32):
Saying things out loud softenedme towards my younger self a
little bit.
You know, once you own yourstory, it can't own you anymore.
SPEAKER_00 (30:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:43):
And that's like a really powerful statement.
And so then I just kept writingout my episodes more and more,
and just kept thinking aboutmore episodes, and then it just
kept spiraling, and then I justkept thinking about things.
And I often check with my dadabout my mer my memories, um,
just because memories can playtricks sometimes.
(31:04):
And um, I've been through a lotof trauma, and um sometimes what
I think is a memory isn't, umjust because a lot of the stuff
that happened in my childhoodmesses with my memories.
So I have to double check withmy dad if it's real or not.
SPEAKER_00 (31:21):
You know, I think that's fascinating because it's
childhood and it's actually justeven 10, 15 years ago, right?
Like I think that sometimes wehave a certain perspective of
our memories and we tell we wewrite our own story, we kind of
like switch the story a littlebit, um, whether it's older
relationships or something thatactually happened to you.
(31:43):
I think that, you know, we haveour own truths, and sometimes
when you really dive in and anddo the work, you realize like,
oh wait, was I really did thatreally happen?
Or did I just remember it thatway?
Or did I just fill in the blankswith my own stuff?
SPEAKER_01 (32:02):
Yeah.
My um, my grandfather passedaway about two years ago, and we
we did like a memorial service,and there was pictures, uh like
a they did like a slideshow, andthere was a family photo, and I
was in it, and I was like, don'tremember that photo at all.
(32:22):
So then I went to trauma therapyto try to unlock memories
because I was like, I don'tremember this photo, I don't
remember this time, what theheck?
Well, I went to trauma therapyand all it did was bring back my
anxiety I thought I stuffedaway.
So I was like, okay, great, moreanxiety.
SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
Awesome.
I'm so glad I opened this box.
SPEAKER_01 (32:44):
Yeah, I was like, well, that's cool because uh I
didn't need that.
Um, but that's that's whathappens with anxiety, you know.
You think you fix it, but itjust comes back with a
vengeance.
You yeah, you can't ever justget rid of it, you know.
It it it's gonna come back ifyou don't actually deal with it.
The same thing with trauma.
(33:05):
If you don't deal with it, it'sgonna come back.
Yeah.
And that's what I was trying tofigure out is hey, like what
where were these photos taken?
Like, was I actually present?
Like, obviously I was when I wasin this photo, but I just didn't
remember that time.
So, you know, memories are weirdthings, and and I talk about
(33:25):
that in one of my episodes isthat um I think it's called
fragments of childhood, is likemy memories are snapshots.
That's what I have of childhood.
I do not have full pictures,yeah.
And it's because of the trauma Ihave of my parents' divorce and
other stuff I went through.
And it's it's sad, but that'sthe reality of my childhood is
snapshots, and and I know otherswho have that too.
(33:49):
One of my colleagues at work,her childhood is the same way.
She has snapshots, and andthat's sad, but that's the
reality of some people's life isyou don't have the full picture.
SPEAKER_00 (33:58):
What do you think you would be like if you didn't
do all this healing work?
SPEAKER_01 (34:02):
Be pretty messed up.
That one therapist said she'svery surprised I never turned to
drug as an alcohol.
I said, Well, I never did.
SPEAKER_00 (34:12):
I'm glad you didn't.
But at the end of the day, like,I'm so proud of you for all the
work that you've done.
And, you know, for those thatyou know, we have a lot of
clients that don't do the workand they stuff it in like a
pressure cooker, right?
Yeah.
And you can tell, you can feelthe energy off of them.
And then we have others that,you know, have really done the
(34:33):
work and it's a it's a work inprogress.
SPEAKER_01 (34:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:36):
Always.
SPEAKER_01 (34:37):
Yeah, I don't know.
I I don't I don't know why I amthe way I am, but I'm glad I am
the way I am.
Right.
If that makes sense.
Um, I guess, you know, God mademe the way I am.
SPEAKER_00 (34:57):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's a true story.
I and I think that, you know,again, if we can be mindful, we
have a lot of personalities thatcome in the door.
If we can be very mindful thateveryone's got their own thing
and their own story in theirhead.
You know, client comes in, theyseem completely stoic, you know,
no big deal.
(35:18):
You have no idea what happenedto them before they walked into
the treatment room.
Yeah.
And they come in and they laydown and everything's loud and
the stuff's stinky, and which isfunny because everything we use
is like now that we use is likeunfragranced.
Yeah.
Um, but you know, products mightbe stinky to them that, you
know, they might be able to hearlike the dripping of your
faucet, and all of that is justnoise, noise, noise.
(35:40):
And what you don't also realizeis that they just walked in from
their own traumatic experience,and now you're gonna rip, you
know, hair out of their body,right?
So being really mindful ofsomeone like you, if you walk in
with, you know, high, highenergy or or even low, low
energy, you know, it's reallyjust checking in with each of
your clients and saying, hey,you know, what's going on for
(36:01):
you today?
You may turn the music downtoday.
Is that a little stimulating?
And you're like, oh, yes,please.
Or you might say, No, but canyou change the artist?
No.
But still, it's it shows itwould it shows that we would be
mindful of your needs, and thatis what it's gonna help you to
come back for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (36:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:18):
Um, what do you think about aestheticians that
can benefit from telling theirown stories?
Obviously, we have to be reallymindful in the treatment room of
like spilling our stuff, right?
Yeah, like, oh, here's myproblem, my problem, my problem,
my problem.
You know, your clients, yourcustomers are not your
therapists.
SPEAKER_01 (36:34):
Yeah, I think there is a balance between it.
Like, if more people could be onyour podcast, I think that'd be
cool.
Like, obviously, hit up Shannon,be on our podcast.
I'll edit it.
Woohoo! Yes.
Um, when I edited, I can't saythat word.
I feel like I'm doubling, Idon't know.
When I did the edit, when I didthe edit, yes, thinks, mom.
(36:59):
When I and see when I did theedit of Georgia's episode.
Oh yeah.
Shout out, Georgia.
SPEAKER_00 (37:06):
Yeah, we'll tack we'll put that in the show
notes.
SPEAKER_01 (37:08):
Yes.
She talked about doing beautyservices for others, um, instead
of herself.
She um she said that she likeddoing stuff for herself, not for
others, and that really clickedwith me.
I I texted her while I wasediting.
See, I'm doing it again.
That's okay.
While I was editing the episode,um, because I used to get lash
(37:32):
extensions when I was like 19 to24 because they made me feel
beautiful.
Not because I could give a fuckwhat boys thought about me or
whatever, but they made me feelpowerful, they made me feel
beautiful.
So I immediately texted her andwas like, girl, you made me feel
so seen while editing thispodcast.
SPEAKER_00 (37:53):
Yep.
SPEAKER_01 (37:54):
And so, like, even that, even what even Georgia's
simple statement, I have nevermet Georgia.
SPEAKER_00 (37:59):
She's awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (38:00):
Yeah, she lives in the Midwest.
I've never met Georgia, I'vejust texted with her.
But in that simple statement,she got me.
Yeah, you know, and so even inthat statement, I I she saw me.
Yeah.
And so if aestheticians just goton your podcast more or like
(38:21):
said stuff like that, yeah, in asimple story, I feel like you
just bond more with people, likejust saying those truths out
loud.
Yeah, you just you just connectwith people.
Like, yeah, I was just like,Yes, I don't get stuff done on
my body to please anyone elsebut myself.
(38:42):
Yeah.
Well, I used to, not now.
Not now.
Like now I do it because I wantto feel pretty, because it makes
me feel good.
SPEAKER_00 (38:50):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:50):
And so I connected with Georgia.
Georgia and I will be lifelongfriends.
SPEAKER_00 (38:54):
She's pretty incredible.
I could go on and on aboutGeorgia, and we will, we will.
Well, actually, I did on thepodcast, but she is one of the
most amazing little young humansthat that I've known that I've
met in a really long time.
And I just I it's an honor toteach by her side.
But um, yeah, I love that I andI love that you had the the
(39:15):
guts, so to speak, to reach outto her.
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:18):
I immediately texted her.
SPEAKER_00 (39:19):
I was like, girl, I think listen in my language.
And that's the beauty of this isyou know, we're all on these
podcasts and and in thesetreatment rooms and on these
trade show stages and in tradeshow booths, and we're all
human.
SPEAKER_01 (39:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:31):
We're all human.
SPEAKER_01 (39:32):
And I'm not even an aesthetician.
And I went, girl, I feel you.
Right?
Because I've gotten thatservice.
SPEAKER_00 (39:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (39:38):
And because I've gotten the sugaring service,
yeah, I can text Jody and belike, oh, you see her hand?
That's not correct.
SPEAKER_00 (39:48):
I'm turning all of you non-estheticians into
converts where you can all judgethe mold and flick.
I love it.
Um, let's let's talk about uhburnout.
So so many people, especiallyaestheticians, struggle with
burnout from constantly giving.
What are some of the practicesthat you have learned that help
you refill your own cup?
(40:09):
Because you did a lot of work inthis area for yourself.
SPEAKER_01 (40:12):
Yeah.
So, like I mentioned earlier,I've been trying to get back
into reading.
So, me and my best friend umboth have the Goodreads app.
SPEAKER_00 (40:20):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (40:21):
And there's this thing where you can like list
the amount of books you want toread.
SPEAKER_00 (40:26):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (40:26):
And we're kind of in this competition where you can
list the amount of books youwant to read.
SPEAKER_00 (40:32):
Oh my gosh, it's like the summer reading program
at the library.
SPEAKER_01 (40:34):
Yeah, she's beating me hardcore.
SPEAKER_00 (40:36):
So cute though.
SPEAKER_01 (40:36):
Well, she works from home, but you know, whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (40:39):
Uh she's not wrestling high school students
on campus.
SPEAKER_01 (40:42):
No, she works from home.
She works for Vision's uhcharter school.
Oh, okay.
So she she I mean, she wrestlesthem online.
So yeah.
But she she reads more than me.
But just getting back into thatand spending time with my dogs
and saying no, like I said, I'mI'm a yes girl.
And so taking the time just todo that.
(41:02):
Um and taking mental healthdays, it's if you have sick
days, you can use them formental health days.
Like if you don't use them, youwill lose them.
SPEAKER_00 (41:14):
Yeah, yeah.
And for those of you who aresolo aestheticians, you know,
there's really no reason why youcan't.
I mean, I wouldn't bail onsomebody at the last minute,
right?
Oh, yeah.
But if you're like, if you'rereally grinding and you're like,
you know what, I have a lightday on Friday or have a light
day on Monday, I'm gonna scoochthose people together and maybe
just come in for two hours.
But I'm gonna spend the morninglike, like almost, you know,
(41:38):
just checking out and don'tscroll and don't do anything,
but maybe do a little yin yogaor do a little meditation or you
know, just go for a walk withyour dog and put your feet in
the grass.
Like sometimes that's what youreally need to do.
And you know, solos need to comein and get the work done because
that's how they, you know, thehow they make their money.
Um, but solos, you can getcreative with your calendar and
(41:58):
you know, really make it happenso that you can have a mental
health day.
Yeah.
Um, so you seem to have a prettybig theme in the Just Breathe
Confessionals podcast that's umis becoming softer with yourself
and finding connection along theway.
What do those things mean toyou?
(42:19):
And why do you think they wouldmatter for the people that
you've experienced asaestheticians?
SPEAKER_01 (42:24):
Um, for me, becoming softer means offering myself
compassion instead of constantcriticism.
I've spent years carrying shameand telling myself I should be
further along.
SPEAKER_00 (42:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (42:39):
I'm 30, yikes.
Oh, please.
Um, but growth happens withgrace.
Connection has also been a key.
Family, friends like you, evensmall exchanges with strangers
that made me feel seen.
(43:00):
Like when I texted Georgia afterher episode because she put into
words something I'd carried foryears.
Um, estheticians need bothreminders to be gentle with
themselves and to lean oncommunity.
Yes.
That combination makes work andtheir lives more sustainable.
SPEAKER_00 (43:19):
Oh my gosh, it's so true.
You know, I I think we tend togrind for everybody else, like
we talked about earlier.
And we have to be really gentle,you know.
It's it's interesting from theother perspective of when you
walk in the door with a lot ofshame and guilt and heavy, heavy
baggage, and someone just kindlylooks at you and says, Hey, I
(43:39):
got this.
Come lay down.
That's not very very grand of agesture, but it could wipe out
someone's like negativity in asentence.
You know, so useticians bereally, really mindful of, you
know, not bringing your stuffinto the treatment room, um,
making sure that it's number oneabout the client, but then
(44:01):
turning around and acknowledgingthat you need to take care of
yourself after work.
Like, wow, I'm really tired orI'm really fried, or everything
everyone says is annoying me.
Yeah.
I did those days.
Right.
Which which is probably a lot umwith the high school students.
Um, but yeah, it's really aboutyou know being mindful of the
(44:23):
profession that you have, thatyou, you know, you gotta do the
work.
You can't be taking sick daysall the time, right?
And if you feel like you needto, then you need to get to the
bottom of that.
SPEAKER_01 (44:30):
Yeah.
Because you can love what youdo, but you also need to love
yourself as well.
Like in the words of RuPaul, ifyou don't love yourself, how in
the hell are you gonna lovesomebody else?
SPEAKER_00 (44:44):
Woo-go.
SPEAKER_01 (44:46):
Damn straight.
SPEAKER_00 (44:47):
That's right.
So, all right, girl, if someonewas listening today and just
wants to dip into the JustBreathe Confessionals, which
episode do you recommend theystart with and why?
SPEAKER_01 (44:57):
Well, I think you should start with the intro.
SPEAKER_00 (45:01):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (45:01):
Because it lays out the heart of the podcast and
what just breathe means.
But if you want to dive into thedeeper stuff, I'd say start with
episode one.
That's where I talk about myanxiety and my self-love.
Um, each one stands alone, Ithink, like stands by itself,
(45:21):
but together they circle aroundthe same idea.
Giving yourself permission topause, reflect, and just be
honest with yourself.
Each episode is pretty muchdifferent, but it's all just
focuses on reflection andhonesty.
The one that comes out on Fridayis called, well, this will be
(45:43):
out after Friday.
So the one that comes out Themost recent one.
Yeah, the most recent one thatcomes out October 3rd is called
The Awkward Art of Growing Up,and it's about puberty.
Yay, puberty.
SPEAKER_00 (45:57):
That was a really long time ago for me.
Yeah.
Um I think you need to interviewme on the show about menopause,
which I never thought I wouldget to.
Oh my.
So, okay, girl, what do you hopethat anyone tuning in,
especially aestheticians, walkaway with after listening to
your podcast?
SPEAKER_01 (46:17):
My hope is that people feel less alone, that
they hear my stories and thinkme too.
SPEAKER_00 (46:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (46:25):
From there, that they can give themselves
permission to breathe, to pause,to care for their own hearts.
Healing isn't just for whenyou're broken, it's an ongoing
process.
We all deserve to become softer,stronger, and more ourselves
along the way because we're allgrowing.
SPEAKER_00 (46:45):
Oh, understatement.
And I think if we can have graceabout that, you know, when other
people are in the room with you,I think some people feel like,
oh, everyone else is beautifuland in here.
Everyone else has got their acttogether.
Everyone, look at that beautifullady.
Look at how well she's got itput it together.
Let me tell you, I'm with peopleevery half hour, they're a hot
mess express.
Yeah, you know, and it's justhow the package comes.
(47:07):
So I think that, you know,really listening to these
confessionals and givingyourself some br, you know, some
peace.
Um, you're catching a break foryourself, you know.
Um, I think it was really it'sbeen really healthy for you to
do the podcast.
Yeah.
I think it's healthy for peopleto listen to your heart, which
really comes out in the episode.
So great job, girl.
And, you know, I think that justtaking a little time to listen
(47:29):
to podcasts like this as you'redriving or, you know, walking
the dog, or you know, they touchthe heart, they touch the soul,
and that's what we're trying todo.
SPEAKER_01 (47:36):
So yeah, I'm excited.
I checked this morning and it'sin seven countries now.
Whoop whoop and my boyfriend'sfavorite country is Egypt, and
it's in Egypt, and he's like,Your podcast has made it to
Egypt.
SPEAKER_00 (47:51):
Yeah.
Oh, I love this technologyworld.
It's just so incredible.
So incredible.
Thank you so much for being onthe show, girl.
And thanks for having me.
I think it's funny that you'regonna edit your own voice, and
it's fine.
Yes.
Um, and also just that you havea chance to provide your
perspective.
And I think there are a lot ofpeople that are listening, not
only to your show, but to thisone, that say, I just want to
(48:13):
feel heard, I want to feel seen.
And that is what we're doingwith the sugar tribe and the
show.
And you know, what we're doingwith Love to Sugar is kind of
that holistic sugar proesthetician.
We're not just, oh, learn how tosugar, you know, it's it's learn
how to be human in the process.
SPEAKER_01 (48:29):
Yeah, it's the human experience.
That's what a lot of peopleforget is yes, sugaring is your
business, but we are all humans.
And though I may not sugar withyou guys, I am still human and I
am still with you, and I fightfiercely for you.
I love you.
SPEAKER_00 (48:47):
Oh, yes, you do.
You would throw yourself infront of a train for our team.
And I we are so blessed.
I know that the educators thatare listening to this are I love
them.
I know.
You really do, like a sister.
And so that's what's reallybeautiful about our team is you
know, every single person on theteam, from the person that makes
the sugar to the person that it,you know, promotes us, which is
(49:10):
you.
Um, you know, you all get itfrom, you know, our guy in India
that does all our yeah um, youknow, meta stuff and and our our
distributors and ourmanufacturers and our label
makers, you know, like we becomefriends with everyone.
And and it's it's about beingable to breathe and have grace
and to just be a really amazinghuman.
SPEAKER_01 (49:31):
So thanks for being on the team, kid.
So check out my podcast everyother Friday.
Just breathe confessionalswherever you listen to your
podcast.
SPEAKER_00 (49:39):
Yeah, girl.
All right, Tigger Tribe, thanksso much for spending time with
us.
And I look forward to nextmonth's episode where we are
going to launch something very,very new.
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