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March 3, 2024 34 mins

In this insightful podcast episode, host Tarryn interviews Bron Williams, an expert in bias awareness and a consultant who works with organisations to address bias issues. The conversation delves into the intricacies of biases, exploring their roots in fast and slow thinking processes. Bron shares her observations on biases becoming more apparent during times of crisis, drawing connections to events like the 2020 pandemic and societal shifts. 

The discussion highlights the importance of recognising biases as a universal human experience rather than a specific group's problem. Bron discusses her work with various organizations, emphasising the need for ongoing training to address biases effectively. The episode concludes with a powerful metaphor, encouraging listeners to question their own "water" and engage in courageous conversations to bridge the gap between instinctive biases and rational thought processes.


Key Points

  • Biases and Fast Thinking: The episode explores biases as a product of fast thinking, where connections from past experiences influence present reactions.
  • Slow Thinking for Understanding: Bron advocates for slow thinking, a more deliberate and thoughtful approach to understanding others and ourselves.
  • Pandemic Reflections: The discussion touches on how the pandemic, particularly during lockdowns, led to increased awareness of biases as society slowed down.
  • Bias as a Human Experience: Bron emphasises that biases are not exclusive to a particular group but are part of being human, urging a more open and normalised conversation.
  • Crisis Impact on Biases: The 2020 events, including the Black Lives Matter movement and the Capitol riot, are discussed as manifestations of biases heightened during crisis periods
  • Challenges and Progress in Diversity: The landscape is changing with increased diversity representation in advertising, television, and various industries, but challenges persist, especially in addressing white privilege.
  • Bron's Work with Organizations: Bron shares her experiences working with organisations like Tennis Australia, where she conducts training sessions on bias awareness and its impact in the workplace.
  • Certification Program: Bron introduces her upcoming certification program, aiming to empower organisations with ongoing training and the ability to address biases internally.
  • Elevator Effect: The episode discusses a powerful metaphor, the "elevator effect," highlighting how biases can manifest on a subconscious level, affecting body language and reactions.
  • Courageous Conversations: Encouraging open discussions and asking questions is emphasised as a key strategy in challenging biases and fostering understanding.
  • Upcoming Book: Bron provides a glimpse into her forthcoming book titled "What's Your Water?" as an introduction to bias exploration.
  • Closing Metaphor: The metaphor of merging the parallel worlds of biases and rational thought concludes the episode, prompting listeners to contemplate their own biases and engage in continuous self-awareness.


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