Ted Lasso | S2 Ep12 Part6 "Inverting the Pyramid of Success" - The Tedcast - A Deep Dive Podcast About The Bear

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast.
Welcome all Greyhound fans,welcome all you sinners from the
dog track and all the AFCRichmond fans around the world.
It's the Lasso way around theseparts with Coach, coach and
Boss, without further ado, coachCastleton.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay, welcome back everyone.
I hit record because we werejust having a great conversation
about poor people and if you'rereally poor and you need some
money to get ahead, mitt Romneysays just grab 10,000, wherever
yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
From your parents who will have it.
That's always my classicexample, I bet like.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
I bet to this day.
It's just unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
God bless that guy.
I have a distinct hatred forMitt Romney that I don't think
other people do.
A lot of other people are like,well, he tries to be a good guy
, he tries to meet people in themiddle.
He's not as bad.
I'm always like, no, fuck thatguy.
Like in that case you couldhave become a democrat, you
could have supported not donaldtrump, but instead you went to

(01:27):
dinner with him.
So like, sorry, mitt, you'renot getting any credit from me,
uh, but he did give us.
Just ask your parents if youdon't have the money.
Just ask your parents for tenthousand dollars, or.
And he also gave us uh, heseemed like he would be good at
sport and I do say he is good atsport.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
A lot like it's oh, I don't know that I I either
don't remember that or neverheard it.
What?

Speaker 4 (01:51):
it's just.
It's like when he was at hismost, like mitbot 5000, trying
to connect with the averageperson, he did say I met a.
I met a gentleman the other dayand he was very tall and I
thought well, well, you must begreat at sport.
But he didn't do sport at alland I was like what's wrong with
you?
Also, somebody said what's yourfavorite kind of food or

(02:12):
something.
He was like what's yourfavorite meat?
And he was like my favoritemeat is hot dog, hot dog.
He said hot dog.
He didn't even say hot dogs.
He wasn't even like I like thedish that is a bun with toppings
.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I like hot dog.
Yeah, he likes, yeah, hot dogmeat.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
I like hot dog meat.
Hot dog meat makes me cringe.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
I remember summers we would sit out and sip
Chardonnay and hot dog.
What are you talking about Eat?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
hot dog.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah, chardonnay, is your slumming it wine, wine,
obviously.
What?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I mean, it's not a merlot, but come on well, hot
dog is like, uh, like fish.
You know right.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
One hot dog, many hot dog, right only in the case
that I don't want to eat most ofthem this is the um.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
This is the version.
I remember seeing a, a, uh, thefirst time I heard maths plural
.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, itwas uh an emma watson uh
interview, when she was like alittle squirt.
She was the actor who played,uh hermione granger, of course,
and they were like, oh, what doyou uh, what do you, um, what?
Are you?

Speaker 4 (03:20):
good at what do you like?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
and she was like she said sport singular, and then
somehow in the same, she's likesport, I like sport, that I like
sport, and I was like withsport and then, and then someone
was like well, what about, likeyou know, school?
She's like yeah, and I likemaths, or something.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
So what's the deal with math?
Because I just got introducedto that.
I feel like I may have missedthe whole thing that was going
on in the world, but like I justgot introduced to that, I feel
like I may have missed the wholething that was going on in the
world, but like I just gotintroduced to that this year and
it was like who the fuck put anS?

Speaker 2 (03:50):
at the end of math.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
It's because, it's math.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Mathematics, mathematics.
No, no, we're solving the wrongproblems.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
There are people starving in the world and
there's somebody figuring outthat we can put an s at the end
of fucking math like why wedon't?

Speaker 4 (04:10):
we don't, we don't need to do all that no I would
like to also.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Uh well, I think it's more important than people I'll
check counterpoint, I'll check.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
I'll counterpoint check at work.
Uh, I would also like to verybriefly mention that, um, I
can't remember when let's say2021, maybe Mitt Romney really
got on my shit list by dressingup as Ted Lasso for Halloween
with Senator Kyrsten Sinema.

(04:39):
Is that correct, Yep yep, yep,yep, he dressed up as Ted Lasso,
she dressed up as Rebecca.
No, they posted some stuff.
It really.
Yep, yep, he dressed up as TedLasso, she dressed up as Rebecca
.
They posted some stuff.
It really I hated it.
And then he made the mistake oftweeting clear eyes, full
hearts can't lose.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
No, no, Wait what.
He tweeted Friday Night Lights.
He did.
He did when he was wearing Ted.
No, yes he did.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
He's not that much of a robot I know that he is for a
fact because I got suspendedfrom twitter because I tweeted
at him plus.
That's the wrong fucking show.
You dork ass loser and then youstupid fucking wait.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
why did you get blamed for that?
I've seen shit on twitter thatwould fucking dwarf that Like
what it was more for my goodthan for Twitter's.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
They were like I'd already been tweeting at many
senators, so much that day.
They were like girl, you need atime out.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
You need to settle the fuck down.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Go chill out on Facebook.
You can't bring that, You'regoing to get into trouble.
So that was on me Kind of hope.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
We never mentioned, uh, kristin cinema on this
podcast, but, um, you know,wherever she is, hope, um hope,
everything catches up with her.
Yeah, can I?

Speaker 3 (05:54):
I just I will toss this in and promise to let you
begin.
I have become such a fan ofeither when others do it or I am
not doing it, when I tellpeople that I hope they have the
day they deserve.
And that is what I will say toSenator Kyrsten Sinema May you
have the life you deserve.

(06:15):
Let you and the universe sortthat out.
I know what I think but I'm noteven going to get involved.
You and the universe sort thatout.
I think it's great.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, no, no, I hear that coach.
Um, uh, I, uh, I am your host,coach castleton.
The one speaking a second agowishing people their deserve, uh
, their just desserts is coachbishop, and of course, the
dulcet tones that you hear inthe background are our boss,
emily Chambers.
Now I am in a great moodbecause it's playoff hockey

(06:51):
season and during playoff hockeyseason in the first few rounds,
here's the problem with playoffhockey it's so good and you
know, all my friends up willwill back me up on this there.
But, uh, it is so good that I'mlike why do I ever watch the

(07:11):
regular season?
Playoff hockey is so good.
Now, uh, I was watching, uh,watching some hockey the other
night and I have such a softspot for the canadian teams.
I shouldn't, I should want tostick it to them.
But there's like a team inwinnipeg uh kind of lost their
team and had a team back andthey did this white out where
everybody was like wearing likewhite and I was like I'm gonna,

(07:34):
you know, I'm gonna put it onthe.
Uh, I'll take a, take a take asnapshot and put it on the
community site, because I'm likethis is like such teamwork to
get everybody to buy in and andthey started by going up against
the Colorado Avalanche and theywon the first game.
This was game two at home.
They're going crazy.
And they're going crazy in away like they do street shots of

(07:58):
Winnipeg and everybody on thestreet is wearing white for the
whiteout and it's like when yousee rallies from World War II,
where every person in a certaincountry was out in the streets.
That's what it looks like inWinnipeg.
And they score a goal andeverybody loses their mind.

(08:19):
It's so hard to get a goal inthe National Hockey League.
They get a goal and the placegoes berserk.
And then, of course, coloradocomes back and wins and you
watch like the last period and ahalf of the Mopi-est people in
the world watching, watchingeverything slip away.
And it is, it is torture.

(08:41):
So playoff hockey it giveth andit taketh away.
But it's a good time of yearand man man, it is so much fun
we're going to have to do.
I've been trying so hard to getCoach into certain parts of it
and he has at least dabbled intiny little things.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I was going to jump in here and let you know that I
have been paying attention, thatI know that the bruins are one
one, that I didn't know thatpatrick wah was a uh coach now,
which I was like I mean this isinsanity.
I actually know that name andunderstand what that means.
And then I watch pk suban talkabout whether you change goalies

(09:26):
, if you've been alternatinggoalies all season or if you go
with the hot hands.
I just want you to know.
I am tuning in coach.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Oh man, that's what it's all about.
Coach, Let me tell yousomething.
Oh no, no, I just saw boss.
She turned her mic back onthere.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
I just don't understand why you want to stick
it to Canadians if you're alsodoing hate crimes against them.
I love.
Canadians, do you want to sleepwith them, or?
Do you want to make fun of them?
Which one are you going for?
Both.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
That makes sense.
We grew up American men, sothose are not mutually exclusive
.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Those are not exclusive.
Yeah, that's fair, I get that.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I get it.
La has a team coach, just soyou know.
I am aware.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I have been to the arena for one of their games.
I will say this I don'tunderstand a lot of the rules.
You know I'm learning.
Those are some impressivefucking athletes.
Like seriously, jokes aside,I'm like I have to say that I
have ice skated.
I think is a bit aggressive indescribing the event.

(10:31):
I have been in a situationwhere there was ice and there
were ice skates on my feet and Imoved.
I'm somewhat, and I moved.
I'm somewhat.
So the idea of someone beingable to move like that on a
fricking blade on ice whilemaking sure not to get

(10:57):
obliterated and looking toobliterate someone else, it's
pretty impressive, prettyimpressive stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, I mean you have to learn a whole other way of
moving, and then you have to,rather than using your hands or
something, or your feet,something attached to your body,
then you have to use animplement to track a tiny little
disk of rubber.
So it is a whole other thing.
Uh, with regard to your la team, they have to play.

(11:28):
There's a dude that plays forthe edmonton oilers who his name
is connor mcdavid.
He was the first uh round pick,the first pick of in the draft
years ago, and he's so good thatit's like makes me like I've
almost never seen like he's.
He's it's reminiscent of likethe wayne gretzky type of like
he's so dominant.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
I was just watching a thing about it it's unfair.
I'm not kidding, actuallyseriously yeah he was on uh part
of the interruption.
There was another pk suban uhtopic go ahead nice, yeah, so so
it's, it's tough.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
It's it's tough sledding for LA.
There was a guy on his wingergot a hat trick the other day
against LA and I swear most ofthe it was just basically Conor
McDavid like banking, shots offthe guy to go.
I'm like, oh my god, like how.
Anyway, that's an exaggeration.

(12:22):
The team is excellent, butanyway, playoff hockey is
wonderful.
And the only thing I likedabout the movie either one of
you see the movie Argyle, aPG-13 action comedy from no yeah
, a PG-13 action comedy is notwhat I want.

(12:43):
Yeah, no, no, I'm a sucker for agood pg-13 action comedy, I
mean like for an r?
Yeah action comedy.
But, um, the only thing uhgreat about it, other than, um,
sam rockwell, his generalmovement in it.
He's always funny to me how hemoves uh was in the very end.
There's like this insane I'mguessing LSD inspired action

(13:08):
sequence where they're on youwon't believe this when I say it
there's an oil spill and themain character takes two daggers
and slams them into her bootsto make blades and then she

(13:31):
skates on the oil slick, whichis like the type of thing I, you
know, like maybe Joe Esterházwould have come up with in the
eighties, where you're likethat's the stupidest fucking
thing, but somehow it's going towork.
It was the worst thing I'veever seen.
But uh, giuliano was making funbecause as I'm watching this,
I'm like you know, I don't knowwho the uh, the stunt double is.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Who's, you know, doing the skating but they got
great, got great form.
That's why they did it.
Yeah, this, whoever that,whoever the stunt double was,
this is their um, uh, fonzie'smom explaining that Henry
Winkler can water ski reallywell, so they should do that in
an episode Is that real.

(14:12):
That is how Jumping the Sharkhappened.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
No, that Henry.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Winkler's actual parents were on the set of Happy
Days and they're like you knowhe can water ski real well, real
, real good.
Did you tell him about thewater skiing?
He's like I am the coolest guyon one of the most popular shows
in the country.
You don't need to convince them, but I am doing my job, but
yeah.
But then they're like all right.
Well, if you could water ski,you water ski now.

(14:39):
Fonzie, water skis now.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Jumping the shark has just taken on like a, a, a, a,
a, like it just really it's gota whole new level, like a new
body.
That your mom told them.
That's how it happened.
That's how you jump the shark,your mom.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Your mom told them.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
It's so great.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Did I tell you my Henry Winkler story?
I'm sure I've said it on thispodcast before.
Uh, yeah, you were peeing atthe urinal best guy in hollywood
yeah, best guy.
Oh yeah, I was at the.
I was at the dodge ballpremiere and I had seats that
were better than jeremy ronick.
That was my claim to fame atthe premiere.
I was like, oh my god, jeremyronick, a famous um hockey

(15:22):
player.
I look and he's like eight rowsbehind me, like trying to look
over somebody's hat, and I'mlike, oh, I made it.
I made it.
I have better seats to jam.
And then I went to the bathroomand was in the urinal next to
Henry Winkler and you don't youknow, you don't look at other
people at a urinal.
This is like just guy code.
But I was like I sort of diddouble take and I'm like'm like,
oh my God, is that Fonz next tome?

(15:44):
And he turns and makes full eyecontact with me at the urinal
and he goes hey, how you doing.
I was like, what a fucking gooddude he could have been like
what he could have given a stinkeye, but no, hello.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Hey, hey, how's it going.
Just super nice, super genuine.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Hey, how's it going Just super nice.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
I would also like to briefly mention yes, ordinarily
no eye contact or looking oranything else at urinals.
I've been told by a guy friendof mine that when he was at a
gay bar he is straight, but wewere all at a gay bar for
something and the guy that camein into the middle between him

(16:26):
and somebody else peeing the guythat came in the middle did
like a full-on look and then onthe other side a full-on look
again and then went back to thefirst guy and was like whatever
was happening on the other side,he was not interested.
So sometimes apparently you doget some looks.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
I didn't want to break up your story, but when
you said he stepped up to theurinal and came in the middle, I
did.
Oh, oh.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
A lot of phrasing.
That was a phrasing moment.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
for sure, that was a phrasing moment.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Damn it I should have caught that myself.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
There was a good visual joke on letter Kenny
where you're behind three guysat a urinal and you're tight on
their back.
You know half up from thebackup and then you pull back
and the next shot is you see allthree of them fully in frame
and the guy in the middle hashis pants down to his ankles.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
No, no, listen, it's not about confidence.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
It caught me so funny .
Coach is laughing.
It works Coach.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
It works, but like Good visual joke oh dear.
But then your pants aretouching the floor of the
bathroom.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Oh, that's so far down my list.
Oh, oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, no, that's pretty high on my list you can't
be high on your list, boss.
You live in like a arachnidcentipede infested hair
explosion.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah, but those are all me.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
That's like bacteria.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
The centipedes.
They come and go.
I kill them.
It's fine, my hair my hair isfine.
This is like how everybodynobody will admit it, but
everybody secretly thinks thattheir individual farts smell
fine.
You have never been grossed outby your own fart.
It can't happen.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
And if you have see a doctor, I guess yeah, I'm
thinking it through it's more myawareness that that's going to
harm others.
Yeah, but yeah but yeah, Ithink you don't gag at your own
smell, yeah, if you've evergagged at your own smell it's
not good.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yeah, that makes go see that, see a doctor, my hair,
my hair is fine check it outsleep in my sheets.
I live inside my body.
You think I'm gonna be grossedout by my hair being on the
ground?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
come on I'm I'm getting grossed out just
thinking about all of you inthat one place.
All right, so we left off thegreat Coach Bishop.
The great Coach Bishop.
Well, I think you're fuckingjoke.
Without me, you wouldn't havewon a single match.
They would have shipped yourass back to Flatbush, where you

(19:03):
belong with your son, becauseyou sure as hell don't belong
here.
But I do, Coach Bishop, Ibelong here.
This just didn't fall into mylap.
All right, I earned this.
I know you did.
I know you did, Coach, I knowyou did.
Oh no, this is your line, yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Wait, no, wait, wait, wait Sorry.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
I was just joking around.
Yeah, I was.
Yeah, I was just riffing.
I'm just riffing, um, you knowwhat?
You know what, coach?
You're full of shit and justjust fuck you ted.
Um, so that's where we left off.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Was nate saying you're full of shit, just fuck
you ted so I thought it was thatit's almost identical in the
explosion of it to Roy, when Royis going to get benched Like

(19:54):
the sort of like Right, and inboth cases I thought built into
the explosion was because youare, ted Lasso, I don't have any
reason to believe you're goingto come back at me or harm me
for this.
Like I'm allowed to be likethis around you.

(20:15):
He creates a really safe space,even in moments of conflict in
a way, because I In whatsequence of events would any of
these characters just turn andgo fuck you, rupert right.
Like there's something aboutthe way ted interacts with all

(20:38):
of them that makes it so thatyou're allowed to he.
He really.
I mean as much as we talk aboutthe dad son dynamic with him
and nate it is.
It is perhaps most on displayhere, because that's the way a
child can explode at a parent,because there is the
unconditional love sort ofundergirding everything.
What do you mean?
Fuck you Ted.

(20:59):
Like no, fuck you Nate.
You're fired, but he knows he'snot about to get fired.
You know what I mean Like he's,like he knows that's not going
to happen.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Now, boss, is that a good thing?
Because for me it's a greatthing.
Nope, but I'm guessing you'regoing to push back against that
because you have a differentviewpoint.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
I actually just spent the last weekend with one of my
five.
Her birthday is coming up.
We do a trip each year.
She and I were discussing howwhat it basically comes down to
for me is that everybody can doalmost anything they want, but
there will be naturalconsequences that you need to
face from that that you need toface from that.

(21:48):
So if what Ted wants to do isnurture an environment where his
employees are able to tell himfuck you, ted.
Oh, and it you know, like wasit slightly different when Roy
did it from when Nate did it?
Yes, because Roy tellseverybody to fuck off all the
time.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
So there's always context and there's always
nuance, but I am suspicious of asystem that says this is built
on mutual respect and a mutualdesire to reach a specific goal.

(22:32):
To reach a specific goal, and I,as the head not just the person
who is in charge, but theperson who is responsible for
this team will accept yourdisrespect and also expect you
to not disrespect other people,like I think that you were
seeing this as Ted being so safefor Nate that Nate is able to
say fuck you, ted, like I'mgoing to explode on you because
I'm angry at you.
That nate is able to say fuckyou, ted, like I'm gonna explode
on you because I'm angry at you.

(22:53):
We have already seen nateexploding at colin and at will
and and maybe you could say thatted can say you can disrespect
me and that's fine, but what heneeded to do was make sure nate
was not disrespecting.
You have an obligation when youare in charge.
You have an obligation.
You can choose to not be incharge.
You can say I don't want thisresponsibility and therefore I'm
not going to take it, but youcan't be in charge and then not

(23:17):
protect the people that you arein charge of.
That is your number onepriority.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
You make sure that they're protected.
Hey, nate, when it's somebody'smother's 50th birthday, the
culture here is we're going to,we'll figure out how to put the
towels up.
They can go celebrate theirmother's 50th birthday.
Correct, right?
Okay, they're allowed to dothat.
I got you, yeah, and I thinkand I think you're right too in

(23:42):
that thinking as a father for amoment, I may have absorbed
certain energy from my kids at acertain point, for you know,
whatever understanding thatthey're a kid, but wouldn't
allow them to treat each otherlike that.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Exactly, yes, so I hear you, yep, yep.
These are great conversationsand they inform more than you
think about, boss, because we'vementioned that Coach Bishop was
hired as the head coach of theuh, los angeles black storm and
there have been every time, uh,every time there, um, that, uh,

(24:23):
you peel another layer of likewhat coach's job description is.
Uh, it seems, seems like thethere, like there's a lot more
to it than the coach was bankingon.
And it's been fascinating to bebehind the scenes with coach
trying to figure out okay,listen, for example, boss, who

(24:46):
do you protect, coach?
What's the pecking order?
What is your responsibility asa leader?
How should people feel whenthey come in To the point where
Coach has analyzed every step ofthe onboarding process for new
players?
He's tremendous.
Coach Bishop should coacheverything, but it's been

(25:09):
revelatory for me to have a peekbehind the scenes to see how he
does it and know that it'sinformed by you know, hundreds
upon hundreds of hours of usanalyzing a fictional sports
franchise, to say, okay, like,what are they trying to
accomplish?
Um, and, and how are theygetting there?
And boss, boss, as much as Imake fun of you, know basically

(25:33):
everything you say.
Your boundaries are valuable inthose discussions because when
you're talking in theory, it's,it's, it's great, but then
sometimes the actual peopleonline, you have to say, all
right, well, it's not as cut anddry.
You really need to, you know,highlight the safety, prioritize

(25:56):
, like you know, sort ofenvironmental factors that have
actual responsibility attachedto them.
So it's been amazing and again,you would never think it, but
it, it's a it's, you know, itinforms people's real lives,
which is, which is great.
Um, okay, so we move on.

(26:17):
Uh, from nate storms out.
Uh, we are at the next game forrichmond.
This is a big, this is a big,big, big game.
Uh, richmond versus brentwood.
Richmond down two sticking witha false nine formation.
There's Brentford on the attack.
This is now we're in the secondhalf of said game and, chris,
is time running out onRichmond's chances to control

(26:38):
their future?
Only if you think of time aslinear.
Arlo, yes, chris, I do.
I was like what?
Okay?

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Arlo usually just takes it.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, this time he's like you know what?
I don't think I'm like out on aleft field on this one.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Am I the weirdo here?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, it's good pressure from Rojas, lovely from
Tard.
Obasanji is in, he scores andthanks to that Obasanji, all
Richmond's hopes are still alive.
Oh my God, that's how you playa false nine Arlo.
So pack the midfield, stayorganized, look for gaps.
Well done, here we go.
Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Okay.
So I wanted to say one thinghere, or I guess it's a body of
things, but for me it, not verylong ago, the, the, the take was
this is a you know it's, thisis crazy to be doing this new
thing, and then it works andit's like oh, great job, guys.

(27:41):
And I think as a coach I'vethought about this a ton.
But I think in life it can bethis way too, where people
evaluate decisions almost purelybased on outcome, and I think

(28:01):
it's a real mistake, especiallyin sports, in sports, especially
in sports.
In sports, it's insane, theworst.
I'm like if that didn't work,you would be ready to fire that
coach, but it worked.
So now he's a genius.
I'm like that cannot, or she,I'm sorry, it usually comes up
to me in football.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Should have kicked the extra point, though.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Should have kicked the extra point, you know and
I'm always sort of blown away bythat, and it also helps me,
just in life in general, to bevery mindful of the feedback I
get when it's all over.
You know what I mean.
Like, oh, it's all over now,you know what happened, so you
can tell me like, oh yeah, youdefinitely should have gone back

(28:41):
to a 4-4-2, right, but you know.
So, anyway, process versusoutcome, people, it's a big deal
.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yes, it's very important now.
Sam obasanya grabs the ball outof the net and runs it back to
uh midfield.
Um, this is a very common thing.
When you're in a hurry, time'srunning out and you score, you
don't celebrate.
You grab the ball and you runback and you get back to.
You.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Don't want to lose momentum and oh, I noticed that
they do it on the show, but Ididn't know that was a thing
from the sport.
Oh yeah, okay, cool, I didn'tnotice that.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Oh no, no, that's a real thing.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah, makes sense.
And what some people will do is,on the other team they'll grab
the ball before the scoring teamcan grab the ball and then the
player on the scoring team willrun up to the player on the
defending team and try to grabthe ball out of his hands and
they'll be like shoving becauseit's sort of the dickiest thing

(29:33):
you can do.
But it also so it can backfirebecause and on the one hand, it
can interrupt their chemistry,can interrupt their, you know,
can get people off their gamebecause you're in their head now
, um, but it can also fire themup even more.
So they're like, because it isa massive dick move to grab it
and and prevent the other teamfrom doing that.

(29:53):
So there's a lot at the end ofa soccer game where, like, time
wasting is an accepted part ofthe sport.
It's not my favorite thing, butlike, rather than scoring, if
you're up by a goal, you'll takethe ball, dribble it into the
other teams, like the far corner, where nothing can happen.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
if you're up by a goal, you'll take the ball,
dribble it into the other team'sum core, like the far corner
where nothing can happen andyou'll just like hold it there
and put your butt between oh wow, oh so they really killed clock
like it's a real thing.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Oh like fully, oh, wow, and so yeah, yeah, it's
like a whole thing.
Um, so Sam runs the ball out.
Everyone says come on, let's goOne more.
Fans are going crazy and youknow, you got Ted cheering
everybody up.
Now Nate is notably, doing whathere, boss?

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Oh, he's being a little asshole.
He's sitting, he is not on thesidelines.
He is not on the sidelines, heis not cheering, he is looking
actually sort of disappointedthat the goal happened because,
as Coach said last episode, thatguy is miserable and he wants
to stay miserable.
If they lose he'll be miserable, if they win, he'll be

(31:04):
miserable.
However it shakes out, he isnot going to be happy.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Shakes out.
He is not going to be happy.
Yeah, that's a good point, um,so, uh, we have, we get a
picture of the scoreboard andwe're at 90 minutes, uh, which
is that's how long a uh footballmatch is.
And so arlo said so it'sbasically that's over, right?
No, because you, because youhave stoppage time for injuries,

(31:30):
and this is when the excitementreally happens.
I can't help but mention playoffhockey, where Carolina
Hurricanes were down by a goal,pulled their goalie and tied it
it up, and then had a faceoffand then scored the winning goal

(31:53):
like 10, 12 seconds later andyou just go.
Oh my God, so in those finalminutes, it can be so crazy.
This just happened last night.
It can be so crazy.
So miraculously, after ahistorically dreadful start to
the season, um, so miraculouslyafter historically dreadful

(32:14):
start to the season, um, theseguys are all AFC Richmond are
only, uh, one point out ofsecond place and everyone's
doing come on Richmond, come onRichmond.
Um, and we're back to um.
You know contention now, um,anything at this point, uh, sort
of uh.
When you guys first watched this, were you like, okay, ted lasso

(32:39):
, they were, they were, theystarted out and the and the sort
of victorious penultimate sortof thing from season one was
they got relegated, like usuallythey're like that's not how TV
shows usually do it.
So now we're building up thishope.
There's you know, roughly Idon't know a quarter of the of

(33:03):
the of the episode left.
It's the finale for season two,if they score, which will be
promoted back to the premierleague, right?
Um, what did you guys think atthis point?
Do you remember back way, way,that's funny yesteryear so far,
long ago I guess the the sort ofstory you know.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Storyteller in me thought they're not gonna have
them twice, like like, just sortof like wow really, but they
have, in the way they've toldthis story, make me go, they
might do that shit.
But I thought really, twice,they're going to lose, so anyway
.
But yeah, that was sort of mygut, was telling me they've got

(33:46):
to make it.
And then I was like, but theybreak rules, they break rules
everyone.
So you got to make it.
And then I was like, but theybreak rules, they, they, they
break rules everyone.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
so you gotta, you know, you gotta consider it.
I so, I think, going all theway back to season one, I sort
of expected them to lose.
I was, I.
I wasn't like when it happened.
I was like, oh, that makessense, like I could sort of see
that coming.
Um it, just because so manythings on the show had already

(34:17):
subverted expectations.
It felt like that would be agood way of cleaning this it,
actually adding a lot ofemotional weight, because it
wasn't just a happy ending andnow you need to figure out how
to deal with continuing on whenyou have a sad ending.
And what does that look like?
I was pretty sure that theywere going to win here, but in

(34:37):
the same way as season one, withJamie doing the extra pass in
order to get the goal and tyingup that whole character arc, I
wasn't sure how they were goingto have it play out here.
I was expecting them to win.
I thought it would be a littleanticlimactic if they were like,
oh, they didn't get promotedand now they're just still at
the top of this league, likethat felt like it wasn't enough.

(35:00):
So I was more waiting to seethe details than the actual plot
points themselves.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
There are certain times in a thank you boss.
There are certain times in a Ithank you boss.
Um, there's.
There are certain times in ashow uh, there was there's twice
that I can remember where I wasso invested in game of thrones.
I'm like, if this person dieshere, like I am, I am out, I am,
I am done with the show andlike I remember thinking like
they must tie this up, like Ithought it would be a colossal

(35:31):
error if it was like oh no, thisseason didn't.
I was like you have to put themback in the Premier League.
So you get a long ball from JanMaas.
Everybody's losing their minds.
Jamie Tartt, beautiful trap anddrops it right on his feet and
then he gets cleaned out andeveryone's, like you know,

(35:53):
losing their mind, and then weget a penalty call.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
So I'm so into this show that I think I have a Keely
yelling referee fetish, so I'mjust going to put that on the
table.
I don't know what that's about.
I'm like, oh, right up thespine with that one.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
thank you yeah, no, there's.
There are moments that peoplelisten.
So on our Eurovision episodecoach, I played up until the
Angelina Mango song.
There's this one thing that Icalled out.
It was like her little shoulderroll that I love.
Then I looked at the YouTubevideos like the most replayed

(36:34):
thing and it spikes.
Is that right?
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (36:38):
at that shoulder I'm like, okay, I'm not alone in
this, that's funny.
This is the thing that peoplethis is your version of Benedict
Cumberbatch as Sherlock,ripping his scarf off of his
neck so that he could getpunched in the face that that,
that is a fun gif I yeah,exactly yeah, those nice little

(37:00):
beat, but but it's.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I like that, I really was something.
There's something reallyexciting about the fact that
there's a more informed audiencethan there used to be, I think,
and so that, like people arenoticing, filmmakers can do cool
things right right, you know,like henry, like when he when he
shakes his guns up like that.
There's these little beats whereyou're like, let's try this,

(37:21):
you know on the day, and youdon't know if it's gonna have
legs.
But then you know, these thingsget a half-life of their own
because people notice andthey're great little beats.
So, yeah, no, I think it'sreally great.
So now we have a penalty andeverybody is cheering, except

(37:42):
for Nate, who's just sittinghands clasped together in his
dark attire, right, coach.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, and if you notice, I I mean I didn't really
until right now, everyone elseis colorful in some way.
Like he is alone, like evenblue, like he is alone in that
like choice of absolute darkness, right, because, mean, one of
the team colors is blue.

(38:10):
We could have a lot of blue inthe stands, but a choice was
made, he is out of step witheveryone in this arena and so,
yeah, but yes, he is just asdour as it gets.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
His hair has fully turned gray.
At this point he's got thatsalt and pepper and a lot more
salt than you'd think in like athree-week period.
We harped a little bit on.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
The speed and alacrity of the hair change is a
little much, I believe youcompared it to middle school
play makeup, which I'm sure theprofessionals at Ted Lasso would
lap up of that.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I mean, it was just like you know, just a little
heavy, a little heavy on thespray, but it's okay, it's fine.
You know, we know what they'retrying to get across as a
concept.
Uh, we have to think that tartwill be the one to take it.
He hasn't missed a penalty allseason.
Um, jamie tart, man, he's good,he's a good player, he's a good
player.
Um, we get a, we get a sort ofa one-er of him, got a lot of

(39:25):
guys in the background.
This, this is this.
Listen for those that don't know, a soccer penalty kick is way
closer than you think it is.
First of all, you would notbelieve if I put any one of our
listeners in goal and then, andthen you said all right, go put
the ball where you're going tokick it from.
It's basically like two stepsaway.

(39:45):
You're like wait, what the like?
That cannot be.
How close you're kicking andthat's universal.
That's like little kids and andcall it, you know, you just go.
How do you not score from there?
But then the goalie gets in the, in the, in the cage, in the
panel, in the, in the, in thesort of they have to keep their
feet on the line.
Do you guys know the rules ofthe penalty kicks.

(40:06):
Have we ever talked about that?

Speaker 3 (40:07):
indeed.
I mean I think I get theconcept, but no, I wouldn't know
like oh, his toe was on theline or anything it's okay, it's
got to go in the net that well,that's what, yes, you're trying
to write.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yes, thank you for the record motherfucking pyramid
balls go ahead, all rightimagine that the line, the line
of the end of the field, extendsthrough the goal.
So there's a line in the goaland the ball, to be a goal, has
to cross it entirely.
So if part of it is on thewhite line it doesn't have to

(40:39):
break the plane.
Like football, it has to befully past the white line in the
goal.
The goalie as you're going totake a penalty kick, goalkeeper,
they will have to keep theirfeet on the line and they're not
allowed to move until the ballis kicked, which is a huge

(41:00):
advantage for the kicker.
Sometimes they'll approach theball and sort of do a little
stutter step and the goalie willwobble a tiny bit and they'll.
Then they'll just kick the ballwherever the goalie, as long as
you can get the goalie offtheir line.
The goalie has done a ton ofresearch.
There's a stats team that saysoh, jamie tart always kicks,

(41:21):
right, it keeps it low, you knowwhatever.
So they know generally wherethey're going to jump.
Sometimes the goalie will comeout and touch the ball to be an
obnoxious ass before, becauseyou're trying to do anything to
get yourself an advantage.
Obviously I'm.
I, uh, I played out.
I was a goal scorer when Iplayed, so I I'm clearly have a

(41:42):
bias for the shooter, um, butthe goalie they want to get in
your head.
No, whatever.
However, any way they can,they'll be like I know you're
going're gonna shoot left.
You know that they'll talk toyou.
There's a lot of chirping, um,you always shoot left.
You shoot left 85 of the time,like they'll just do whatever.
They open their body up, theyopen their arms to try to take
as much of the goal as they can.
They bounce back and forth,they do a little jig.

(42:03):
You know.
Sometimes they'll say, uh, yeah, I know you're gonna bounce
left.
And then they'll say, yeah, Iknow you're going to bounce left
.
And then they'll set up like ahair to the right.
So you have a visual cue thatit's like man, there's a lot of
room on that side of the goal.
I should keep going.
And then the goalie's job is totake a quick step and dive
diagonally, not sideways.

(42:24):
They want to go diagonally sothat if they get the ball, they
can punch it.
So this is all the dynamicsthat people may not, may or may
not know.
Um, jamie tart is a guy.
The best place you can shoot isin the panel, which is the side
of the net.
If you get the panel, it'svirtually impossible for a
goalie to save it, although somegoalies do if they, if they
dive far enough to that side.

(42:45):
But the place where theygenerally can't get it is top
corner.
If you put it up into the panelin the back, there's not a
goalie in the world that cansave that.
But the problem is, when youaim for that, the likelihood of
you skying it over and beinghumiliated is compounded.
So Jamie Tartt walks up andCoach walk us through this

(43:08):
little moment here, um, withjamie tart prepping for the
penalty kick that will send themto the premier league all right
.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
So jamie steps up, has the ball, as described,
we've got, uh, the guy with themickey mouse gloves jumping
around and uh, then.
And then Jamie, our ace, callsover the second ace.
He gives up this moment ofglory.

(43:36):
We've gone from me, me, me, meto.
I don't like that new guy, withall his happiness and his
friendliness to coaches, to you,take the shot, armando.
You be the hero.
I don't need to be the hero.
And Danny steps up and all thisDanny glory, we love Danny, we

(43:58):
just do.
And RIP Earl on the cleats,with the Mexican flag on the
cleats.
The whole story is here, balldown, and he's preparing to take
the shot.
It's getting tense.
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
See, the goalie's got his eyes, you know his hands
out.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
He's making himself nice and big, and Danny steps
back.
He takes those three steps.
I don't know why it's three,but it seems that's what
everybody does.
And he's getting ready and thecrowd's nuts Glances over to
where Earl was.
And not only isn't MacyGreyhound going to get hurt,
macy Greyhound has a helmet.

(44:41):
Aww.
Football is life.
And Danny keeps his head downand rips through, yeah, and
everybody in sight goesabsolutely ballistic, except
Nate, who can't even accept ahug from Roy.
It's amazing to me that he's socommitted to the idea that

(45:03):
everybody shits on him and allanybody's doing in this scene is
great.
Hey, look at that Nate, isn'tthat great Nate?
So, anyway, team celebratesunbelievable what a comeback.
Crowds going nuts and, ofcourse, nate forever loyal
storms off and off.
So that's what we got, but it'sa pretty sweet moment.

(45:28):
Given that we've watched allthe way that Jamie has traveled.
It's almost like he made theextra pass in a whole new way
this time.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yes, and it's really beautiful.
It's great, coach.
I love that.
I love that.
It is beautiful and you knowit's funny.
I almost wish I had enjoyedsome of these moments more than
I did.
I was always very aware of themoment but, um, I maybe I didn't
flip out like jamie's got histongue out, like losing his mind

(46:01):
.
You know what I mean.
I was probably less, you know,in the times where I won a
championship or something likethat.
It felt great.
We were really psyched.
But I was like if maybe it'sjust a writer quality where you
stand back and you notice thingsmore than being in it or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Yeah, no, that's definitely a thing.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Go ahead boss, what were you going to say?

Speaker 4 (46:21):
I'm not going to be able to get the line exactly
right, but Dave Eggers wrote aheartbreaking work of a
staggering genius which don'tlet the title fool you he's
making fun of himself.
This is about the grandiosenessof wanting to be a writer, and

(46:43):
it's the story of how he adoptedhis youngest brother because
both his parents died of cancerwithin like six months of each
other.
There's a lot, there's a lot toit, but at the end he's talking
about how he is scattering, Ithink, his father's ashes, and
that he is yelling at himselfbecause he can't be present
enough to think about the moment, because he's thinking oh
you've got it, yeah, hell yeah,he's thinking so much about what

(47:06):
it's like to be doing this atthis moment that he can't just
fucking be present for themoment and enjoy it, because
he's such an ass, because I'm anasshole writer and I'm such an
asshole I all this is content.
I can't even think aboutscattering my dad's ashes
without thinking about how I'mgonna write about it later so,
yes, I had to learn specificallyin my marriage.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
I had to learn not to share that I always experienced
it personally as like, oh,isn't this cool, like I really
would take it in and be like, oh, my goodness, and the emotion
of this and whatever that, andthen I would spoil her
experience, because I rememberone time particularly, we're in
panama and hanging out, mycousins and we all went out.

(47:48):
We were having a great time andI was like wouldn't it be wild
if there was a story where, likethis guy's coming to panama and
blah, blah, blah, and she waslike can't we just be out at a
club?
I was like I'm so sorry.
I am, although, also welcome tomy life, but I am sorry to have

(48:09):
dragged you into this.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Yeah, no, but there is the ever-present idea of how
do I make this content, whichit's not my favorite thing about
writing or talking about things, or thinking about things.
I would like to be more present.
That would be better.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, it's fun to date people like us.
Oh yeah, got to be, just a goodtime, got to be.
Yeah, it's fun to date peoplelike us.
Oh yeah, gotta be, gotta be.
So we get the Arlo Is you know?
Celebrating?
And it says, with that goal, tofinish in second place, we
return to the Premier League intheir very first attempt.
Everyone starts cheering we'regoing up, we're going up.

(48:48):
Richmond have done theimpossible through grit,
determination and, most of all,belief.
Not a surprise that that's inthere.
I was promoted a time or two inmy career, although it's a real
achievement.
Richmond deserve this.
They remain a club without amajor trophy, it must be said,
but it won't feel that waytonight.
Final score Richmond toBrentford 2 and boy, boy, howdy.

(49:14):
Uh, how things change when,when, in the early days, ted is
ashamed of thinking about a tielike that's a, that's a black
yeah, yeah, you know you're notcoaching for the draw, and now
now, a season later, the draw isis draws as good as a win here,
right Coach?

Speaker 3 (49:34):
It is and yes, it is, and that's definitely a thing,
and we made a big deal about itand the way season one ended, I
mean there's all yes, and in away, this where he is now is
more true to his John Woodenroots, yeah than where he was

(49:56):
coming in going.
Oh, in America we don't believein ties, because success is
about bringing out the best inyourself.
You know, I am possibly goingto time travel.
I'm going to call myself out.
So if I did, if I do, stop me.
But the idea of being in a pressconference and saying, but the

(50:19):
idea of being in a pressconference and saying sometimes
you score fewer goals than youropponent and you win, and
sometimes you score more pointsthan your opponent and you lose,
but this time we scored morepoints and we won, that feels
pretty good.
And I wish I could rememberwhen Ted said that I'm really
scrambling right now.
I think that's season one, butI do believe, in addition to

(50:45):
their getting promoted and, yes,the outside thing is good I
think part of what's beingcelebrated on this field is we
came together, we did this thing.
The first half was shit.
We all committed to each other.
At halftime and look at whatthe fuck.
I feel like it's all built intothe celebration, not just
promotion in itself.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Now, yes, coach, thank you, absolutely right.
What is the top of the pyramid,by the way?

Speaker 3 (51:13):
That would be competitive greatness.
But one of my favorite factoidsin life is that John Wooden
later said that he would replacethat with love.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
And what's the vibe?

Speaker 3 (51:25):
on the field, there's a whole lot of love going on.
How about the stands?
A whole lot of love going on,they are losing it.
This place, I mean this placeis.
You know, I love my sportsdocumentaries and there's a
great.
There's a great one called theU about the University of Miami
football program and after theywon their first championship,

(51:47):
the announcers are going.
I mean, the place is bedlam.
It's at the Orange Bowls, it'sbasically a home game.
It's insanity.
And one of the announcers goesthis place is up for grabs.
Right now it's like there'stotal chaos, and that's what
Nelson Road feels like to meright now.
It's just complete and utterchaos.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Except for the levels of cocaine.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
That.
Yeah Well, you know, I don'twant to Sorry, that was.
Siri apparently had an opinionon the ups and downs of Nelson
Road.
I don't want to Sorry, that wasSiri apparently had an opinion
on the ups and downs of NelsonRoad.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
I don't know how to feel about that coach.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
She heard cocaine and she was like you will be
bringing me with please.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
You are scheduled for 4 pm.
Cocaine coach.
Oh damn, shut up, siri.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
But yeah, the?
U was quite something.
But yeah, this place is, I meanthey've exploded.
I mean it's completely nuts.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, this is the Winnipeg Jets is what I was
talking about.
I think it was bigger inWinnipeg and that was just a
goal in the playoffs, like arandom goal, and the celebration
felt even bigger than this.
So, anyway, crazy.
Now the Crown and Anchor'sorsgoing mental, fit stands are
going mental, owners Box isgoing mental, players are going
mental, and and and yet boss one, one lonely figure makes, makes

(53:11):
his way in the midst of all ofthe chaos.
One sort of shrouded figure,all in black, somehow makes his
way to the tunnel.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
Well, ted, this time really did eat a bad fish pie,
so his stomach is going to bebad.
He's just running right to thelocker room, right.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
I mean he gets away with it because no one's going
to notice this right now.
Oh right, he could set himselfon fire and they might miss it.
I mean he gets away with itbecause no one's going to notice
this right now, yeah, no one.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
It's like the perfect exit.
He could set himself on fireand they might miss it.
I mean, this is insanity.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
It's a decent walk.
I mean, it's a decent length ofa walk, oh yeah, and still no
one's going to see it, becauseeveryone is out, and Boss is
dead on, though, to call thatout.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
I mean, given who sold who out?

Speaker 4 (54:01):
that they choose this walk is uh significant, yeah I
would like to, uh, very quicklymention that um, it was, I found
it on threads jason paragon,who is an old writer for, used
to write for crackcom um put upa clip from the abyss which
james Cameron I don't know, Idon't love all the shit, but

(54:22):
fucking the Abyss is amazing.
It's so, so good.
And there's a scene where MaryElizabeth Mastrotoni and Ed
Harris who I will forever referto as sexy Ed Harris are sinking
in a little not the fullsubmarine, but a little
submarine and she is explainingto him you have to let me drown

(54:44):
and the water will keep me cold,cold enough that you could swim
me back to the real sub andrevive me, but like you have to
let me full-on die.
There's only one suit we can'tboth make it.
You need to do this.
And there's a part where, ifyou're paying enough attention,
the camera guy actually wipesthe lens because there was so
much moisture that like hewasn't getting the shot and he
figured they could cut around it.

(55:05):
And fucking james cameron leftit in the film like in the
actual movie theater.
You would be watching thisscene and there would be a
little claw thing and you wouldnot.
I watched it before he pointedit out.
I was watching it and I didn'tsee anything.
And then I rewound and watchedit again.
I was like, oh, I was toofocused on everything, like

(55:25):
there was too many big thingsgoing on.
I didn't give a shit about that.
My brain told me don't careabout that.
So Nate has put himself in aplace where people are saying
whatever that is, you can't careabout it.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
It is not what we are doing.
That is something else.
So nate has made himselfirrelevant by doing this shit.
Yeah, yeah, isn't thatfascinating too, though that
it's in his insistence that hebe everything, he actually made
himself nothing in this yep,that's a great point I can't
think of anything, because Ireally love Mary Elizabeth, Mary
Elizabeth Mastantonio, and I'mlike what has she been doing?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Like I just feel like I haven't seen her in forever.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
Yeah, just making me sad.
She was in Robin Hood, princeof Thieves with Kevin Costner
and Morgan Freeman and she didthe abyss and then she
disappeared from my life.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Yeah, well, she's been in.
Oh, oh yeah, I did see her on.
Okay, she was um, I'm lookinglimitless 2015 2016, the grim tv
show, 2000, yeah, 2012, 2017,uh, a tv movie in 2017, the
punisher series, and then blindspot um 22 episodes from 2018,

(56:39):
2020, um, anyway, um, I, yeah,you didn't notice the camera
wipe.
Uh, no, and you would have.
They would have been like whydon't we just take that guy's
suit like, oh my god oh my goddon't have to die hey, jerry.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Oh my god, that fucking scene.
Oh my god, it kills me.
Jesus, fucking christ, really.
If you haven't watched theAbyss, please do.
I know it's like 40 years old.
I hope it holds up.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
It was funny because as you were describing that, I
was like I know, I have seen theAbyss and I just have this
generalized memory of that, butwhen you were just describing
that scene, I was like I do notremember that scene, I don't
have.
When you were just describingthat scene, I was like I do not
remember that scene, I don'tremember anything.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Really interesting.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Anyway, I may check it out one afternoon Just get.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Neither one of you have watched Future man.
Is that correct, oh?

Speaker 4 (57:28):
no, I watched Future man.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Do you remember the James Cameron episode?

Speaker 4 (57:33):
No, what Listen.
I liked a lot of it.
Was it in the first season?

Speaker 2 (57:40):
yeah, all right, they break into james cameron's
house.
It's the future.
They break into james cameron'shouse.
He's got a.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
He's got a supercomputer oh, that manages
his house called sigourney.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Yes, sigourney is the supercomputer and uh, wolf, uh
has like a relationship with thesupercomputer.
Um, and they make tons ofunobtainium jokes and I mean it
is oh, just talk about gettingdragged anyway.
Um, nate walks off the fieldand then we have a.

(58:13):
Something happens on the fielditself.
Coach, what's this?
What's going?

Speaker 3 (58:17):
So in all this celebrating we've got Roy, we've
got Jamie.
Oh, isn't this great.
They give each other a poundand then we see a little change
in Roy's face, at which point heheadbutts Jamie in the face,
nose specifically, I mean.
It looks like he got the bridgeof his nose.

(58:38):
Have you ever been hit in thebridge of your nose?
That ain't nice it.
That really hurts a shotthrough your entire body.
Oh yeah, your eyes water upinstantly.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
So what'd you do that ?

Speaker 3 (58:53):
for.
And Roy says so I could do this,and then he hugs him and they
jump around together.
He had nowhere to put that bitof anger, he just couldn't get
past it and move on like hewanted to, and so that was that.
That's a very interestingmoment.

(59:15):
I'm curious what you both madeof that moment.
I mean, I laughed because Ilove Roy and I love Jamie, and
ha ha ha.
On another level, I was like isthis the manhood we should be
working for?
I was like I'm not sure I getit, and I'm actually kind of
fine with it.
Like if I'm the coach of thisteam, I'm sort of like well,
apparently they worked it out.
I wouldn't, you know, be upsetabout it, but it is a little

(59:46):
it's not.
It's not by the books.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Uh, having the challenging conversation, let's
say that right, right, yeah, Imean it's, it's, it's like
almost a throwback to a morecaveman-y sort of way of
operating.
You know, it's like, oh, Ican't possibly get to here

(01:00:08):
without this artificial violence.
I gotta tag into this.
You know, it's sort of a sortof a weird thing as guys, I
think you can sort of get it,yeah, but you're like, I think
you can sort of get it, yeah,but you're like Boss, did you
have a reaction?
Maybe don't headbutt me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
I actually Nobody's going to be surprised by this.
I didn't mind the violence.
I had more of an issue with itfrom an actual writing style, in
that it felt very sitcom-y andthe here's the setup to the joke
.
Here is the very quickrejoinder.
It just it felt a little too, Idon't know.

(01:00:48):
It didn't hit right for me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Too pat.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Yeah, yeah, like I think that the issue is when it
happens in real life, peoplelove it so much.
I was hanging out at mysister's place last week at some
point and I was doing the minicrossword on the New York times
and I said, hell yes, I did thisin 22 seconds.
And my younger niece was likethat's not impressive.

(01:01:11):
And I was like you don't know,you don't even do a crossword,
you have no idea how impressivethat is.
She was.
She was like, no, that's notthat good.
And I was like, oh okay, what'sa four letter word for a red
flower or a pink wine?
And she was like rose and I waslike, oh well, all right, you
did get me on that one.
It helps that her middle nameis rose.

(01:01:32):
So like, obviously she wasgoing to get that shit.
When it happens in real life,it's so much fun that you're
like, okay, I couldn't plan thatbetter.
And then when you try to planit, it doesn't come out that
well, like it comes out likethis, where roy then says so I
could do this and I not for me Igot you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
There's a there's a color by numbers element to it
that, yeah, I, I didn't mind it,but, but especially in the,
it's easier to analyze it.
In the moment I was like, oh,that's fine, whatever, it's
easier to analyze it.
In the moment I was like, oh,that's fine, whatever, it's
typical Roy Kent bullshit.
We cut to the locker room nowStraight from there.
We get a shot from inside thelocker room looking out the
doorway to the locker room andthe team comes screaming in,

(01:02:12):
sam's leading them and you gotVan Dam behind him and everyone
is piling into the locker roomcheering super excited.
It's a great end of the season.
Ted and Beard, arm and arm andTed immediately does what you do

(01:02:34):
.
Yeah, sorry, go ahead, coach,you're going to make a different
point no, no go.
No, you do yeah, Sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Go ahead, coach, you're gonna make a different
point.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
No, no, no no.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
You go drink and uh, beers like hell, yeah.
So I mean you know they'regoing to say it's a, it's a
celebration, it's celebrationbut he says water.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Oh, you want you.
You want some water.
And I was like wait, what I waswaiting for champagne.
You know what I was like.
You want some water.
I don't, I'm like water.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
I have to imagine that that's a joke.
Yeah, there's no way.
He really.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Yeah, that's the way I.
I don't even know that I fullyprocessed the water line because
I was so like, oh yeah, I'mgoing to have a drink, you're
right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I mean you gotta say that it's the worst.
I don't know if it's the worstline in Ted Lasso history to
make something happen, but youknow what I mean.
It's like, oh shit, we got toget Ted into the office right
now.
What are we going to do?
I don't know.
Maybe he offers Beard somewater.
Yeah Well, that's terrible, butwe'll just put it in there as a

(01:03:43):
placeholder.
I didn't think it was better.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
But I think, even in context, I think you're right,
because usually I don't thinkthey come in that door after
games and stuff.
So they're definitely doingsome blocking stuff, right, but
I did think, even in context,that he I never even thought
about him actually meaning water, Like until this exact moment.
Where do they usually?

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
come in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
They usually come in through that side door, walk
through the Nate and Roy spaceand then in here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
So they definitely were like how do we get Ted, but
why didn't?

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
they have him come in .

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
I take it logically that they just swept up in.
Everybody's excited and comingin after the big win.
Everybody's just walking thatway.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
But I think in the writers' room they're like we
can't have him come in that doorbecause everyone will notice
there's no sign-up, first thingthey'll see coming in that way
oh no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
I think you've got the geography around.
What do you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
They would pass Roy's desk before they would get to
the door.
They came in and the other dooris even further down the
hallway.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
You're talking about the team or the coach?

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
I think they're coming.
Yeah, they would be crossing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Yeah, yeah, that's why they didn't come in the
other door.
If they came in the other doorit would be much more obvious.
But why would they never?

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
be coming in that other door.
No, the door that Ted iswalking through right now.
The believe sign is supposed tobe above his head, that's where
it is.
So if they came in through Royand Nate's?
Office.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
They wouldn't see it at all.
They wouldn't have noticed itat all.
Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, ThroughRoy.
Yeah, but the players wouldnever come in through.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Roy, no, no, no, but yes, the blocking is specific.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Either way.
Either way, I think I would seeit.
I think I would see it, you'reright.
Right, I know what you'resaying.
Either way.
Profound moment between thecoaches where the offer of water
is made, and when Coach Lassocomes into the main office, goes

(01:05:46):
to his desk where, apparently,the water is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
We know the booze is back there because we've been
through that dance.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Right, we do know that.
What does he see on the deskhere, boss?

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
That would be the believe sign, ripped in half and
left there.
This is when you have a cat whois mad at you because you did
something wrong, so they throwup in your shoes or in your bed,
because cats are assholes andthey want to make sure that you
know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
I'm pissed that, is that what it's like to be a cat
owner?

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
have you owned a cat?
I have not owned my own cat.
I did watch my mom's cat whenshe was out of town for a while,
so like three or four months.
It was a summer program orsomething.
Yeah, that cat.
I don't remember what my momcalled that cat, because I don't
respect what she names animalsis apparently a thing in our

(01:06:46):
relationship.
I insisted his name was Linus Imight have mentioned this and
the boyfriend said that name isstupid, the double entendre
doesn't work.
And I said well, there's nodouble entendre.
And he was like no, becausehe's a boy cat, so he's not a
lioness.
And I was like no, but his nameis Lionette.
And he said that cat's name isCatacan.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Oh, yeah, is what?

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Vampire Cat with a Can-Do Spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Catacan, yeah, yeah, catacan.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
Catacan is a vampire from the Witcher video game and
he insisted that the cat's nameis Catacan Vampire cat with a
can-do spirit.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
I feel like that cat was sitting.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
Because it's Catacan.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
I feel like that cat was sitting in a corner like
just call me, Jeff.
What are y'all doing?
This is too much.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Just call me something that isn't Well.
We also on occasion refer tohim as the darkness, because he
was a larger cat, so he wouldblock out the sun.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
That's funny.
Oh wow, Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
Wow, catacan the darkness.
But Linus and I were just fine.
We got along great Well, allright, I love it.
I don't remember him everthrowing up on me, not on
purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Coach.
Are you in the Witcher?
Are you a Yennefer or a Triska?

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
This is an important question.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
No, coach knows full well.
I haven't understood a goddamnthing y'all been saying for the
last three minutes.
That's right, see, this is abig question for me, in
particular because physically Iresemble a Triss.
We both have red hair.
I have red hair at the moment.
Physically we look a little bitalike.
Emotionally I'm full onYennefer.
Let's not get it wrong, I am ahardcore bitch.

(01:08:38):
So it depends.
When you ask people to choose,I'm like which side are you
siding with?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
It's hard, it's tough , tough slide.
Yeah, I never.
I'm always like girl, what areyou, what's going on here?
Like, what do you think you'regoing to get out of this?
But anyway, that's only withregard to Yennefer.
I just don't.
It's not my jam, not my jam.
Why would you ever spend timewith a Yennefer?
I just don't.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
Oh, I fucking love Yennefer.
Why would you do a podcast witha Yennefer?
I fucking love her.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
I think she's great and I will let y'all know which
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Oh, good Great.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Yeah, that is perfect .
Thank you, coach.
So, ted is we get a single ofhim, we get the.
The shot of over the shoulderof him, seeing the sign, flips
it over, confirms it's thebelieve sign.
Of course, ted Lasso will neverlet you get too high or too low

(01:09:43):
without kicking you in thestomach or propping you up to
make you feel better.
We know, we are, we sure we are, we're Richmond until we die.
Everyone is singing and we arejust on Ted, very, very alone in
this one moment, noticing forhim, I think, what is a colossal
thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Oh yeah, no, no, he's going to this in also
personally and on some levelthat was known right like to rip
that son.
Like just leave you quit, right, you quit.
Is that saying you quit, thenjust quit?
But he, this was intended likeI don't know if my fuck you was
hurtful enough.
So let me just one more thingbefore I'm done.

(01:10:21):
I mean, it's just like superhurtful and why did he rip this
sign?

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
What we saw was he exploded on Ted.
We said there's a safe spacewhere we didn't think he would
be fired by Ted.
Ted would find a way to patchit up.
No one sort of ostracized Nateon the field.
You know he was.
You know, even when they win,the first thing that happens is

(01:10:52):
he gets a no-look hug from Royright.
What Is it that?
He was still had a angerhangover from the original
interaction and couldn't getover it or that ted's staying
with the false nine.
When he was determined that tedwas gonna um, you know, stick it

(01:11:13):
to him.
You know nate had had had madeup something in his mind where
he was like this is what's goingto happen.
I know it for a fact.
He had already sort ofresponded.
It's like when we talked aboutmind reading and you have an
emotional reaction to what youare sure is going to happen.
Now that didn't happen.
Now he's got to deal with thefact he was wrong about that.
The place is going crazy.
He feels completely alienated,is that?

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
why he's going psycho .
It's an interesting questionactually, and you make me think
about it a little differently,maybe, than I might have.
In the first place, I'll saythat the the to me, nate,
doesn't get what he doesn't getand he cannot process how this
guy is doing right, like he justdoesn't, like he, he, he, just

(01:11:59):
he is so far from Ted's level interms of the level of love and
embracing and what Ted hasactually been doing here.
Nate thinks that the X's andO's are the coaching, and that
is part of the coaching, but itis not the coaching.
And so it is galling to himthat in this moment where

(01:12:19):
everybody should be upset andlooking for somebody to blame
and he's making sure thatsomebody isn't him it is galling
that these these guys down twonil, touch this goddamn sign and
everybody's all fired up andhappy will's over there with
that stupid fucking grin on hisface, I think he's just like
what is this?
And then it worked out.

(01:12:40):
Then it worked like you knowwhat I mean like then it worked
out, like what is this?

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
and so yeah, I think I think I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
In some ways it's like, um, when people say, like
the greatest revenge is to live.
Well, this is a short-termversion of this.
Would you say you think you'rewrong?
Oh, they're wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Oh, dear, god.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
What is the?

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
greatest revenge boss .

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
I've mentioned it before.
It is sort of a living well,but it's calling them by the
wrong last name.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
You live well but then also when you see them
you're like oh, you are sounimportant.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
That's great.
I think you're right abouteverything you're saying about
Nate.
I think the only thing that Iwould add to that is that there
is a strong difference between acharacter revelation and a
character progression.
I think a lot about on Game ofThrones how we learned in I

(01:13:47):
think it was season three maybethat Jaime Lannister the
Kingslayer actually killed theking, not because his dad told
him to, or the war or anythingelse, but because the king was
going to burn everybody and sohe stepped in in order to save
all of King's Landing.
He actually was being the heroand we learned that about him.
That is not a characterdevelopment.

(01:14:08):
That's who he always was.
We as the audience are figuringthat out.
So Nate's progression quoteunquote towards becoming a bad
guy or a villain or whateverelse, isn't that he is actually
moving.
This is who he's always been.
This is just who he's revealedto us.
Like he had all those thoughtsabout all the players when he
did the great roy kent.

(01:14:29):
He called rebecca a shrew.
He this there was a big one thatwe glossed over in real time
and I think think we touched ita little bit title of your sex
tape, but then I think that itbecame more important as it
moved on.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
We touched it a little bit I mean I'm on mute
and I just feel like I have toacknowledge how hard I just
laughed, because you deservethat.
You deserve thatacknowledgement that made me
throw my head back and laugh.
Oh my God, that's so funny.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
I'm very glad to hear that my other job doesn't like
when I do this?

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Oh no, really, I like that this works for us.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
Go figure, yeah, so I think that he is not
participating in this because hehas already made up his mind
that this is not how he is goingto be happy, like he did all
the things that he thought hewanted to do and he's still not
happy.
So it must be thesemotherfuckers fault, because
everybody must be a motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Can't be me Must be everybody else.
Oh God, must be everybody else.
And oh god, when I think oftimes in my life where I was
just fucking unhappy and thethings that people said or did,
that in retrospect I'm like I'msure he really just meant good
morning, orlando, like yourdecision that this guy needs to
die oh, like I'm sure he reallymeant good morning, and maybe it

(01:15:55):
was on you that time.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
He was a bitch eating crackers.
That's one of my favoritethings from the internet,
Something about sometimes youwould hate somebody so much they
could just be sitting thereeating crackers and you'd still
hate them.
Bitch over here eating crackers.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Cracker eating bitch.
It's exactly.
Well, I'll speak for myself.
I can definitely have thosedays where I'm like I swear to
God if you breathe one more time.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
If I hear you exhale, I am going to murder you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
I mean, it's just where we are at this point Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Yeah, I wonder.
Yeah, it's funny, because ofsocial, social media we're so
much more aware of people.
I don't know if I felt hatredin the same way that I do now,
where I'm like I'm becausethere's also like a uh, you're
just exhausted by a hundredpercent, get out of my life.
I never, wanted you here.
I I wish I knew nothing aboutyou, like so many politicians

(01:16:59):
where I'm just like oh my god,like they make you and this is
like this is what you did likeyou, you know you.
Every day you wake up and youdecide to fuck everybody, like
just destroy an entirecivilization.
Mitch McConnell, you know like.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
I don't even know if this will make the cut, but I
have to speak up on this becauseyou brought him up.
You did it to yourself.
I just saw a clip of MitchMcConnell.
I don't even know if this willmake the cut, but I have to
speak up on this because youbrought him up, you did it to
yourself.
I just saw a clip of MitchMcConnell blaming Tucker Carlson
for the whole embrace of Putinthing and I was like you know
what I need you to do, mitch?
No, mitch, absolutely the fucknot.

(01:17:37):
That's what I need you to do.
I don't even have a verb for it.
You know what I need you to do?
No, mitch, absolutely the fucknot.
I don't even have a verb for it.
You know what I need you to do?
No, absolutely the fuck not.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
I need you to do.
I need you to absolutely thefuck not.
I think that that needs to besomething we start.
I need you to absolutely thefuck not.
Your nickname is Moscow.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Mitch, what are we discussing?
I'm not saying I don't likeTucker Carlson, but I'm like,
wait what Moscow Mitch?
That was what he had to say.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Anyway, I'm sorry I know we don't do too much US
politics but my head almostpopped off my shoulders this
morning when I saw that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Coach, jamie Lannister or Jon Snow, I don't
know.
I'm going to be doing a lot ofBuzzFeed, quizzes, a lot of
quizzes, a lot of quizzes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
A lot of you're going to.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
The answer is Tormund Giantsbane, but that's totally
beside the point.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
The answer is Tormund , awesome All right, so I don't
want to go too far because Iwant to save time for our next
episode.
I think that we're going to beable to finish it up next time,
and I have to get on a flight toLos Angeles, california.
That is the, the, the placewhere our coach is correct.

(01:18:53):
I'm going to be taking a little,a little trip, so I have to
watch my time carefully.
But we'll leave it therebecause this is a good place to
stop and I think we'll finish itup next time with part seven.
Coach, where do people find youif they want to find?

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
you.
I'm going to encourage youagain.
Stream unstuck as fuck.
I'm jumping around to thingsthat matter to me.
So we talked about thecommunity, some.
I'm coming to this, some.
These are the things I want youto check out.
Let's connect y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Love it, Boss.
What about you?

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
So still on threads, which is emilychambers.31, but
I'm trying out Blue Sky more.
It seems like it's gotten a fewmore new users recently, so I'm
hoping that pops off.
And over there I am dumblychambers and I keep promising.
In one of these days I'm gonnaend up dead, but hopefully

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writing at the antagonist, whichis antagonist blogcom.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Thank you, boss.
I just posted something whichis my favorite thing.
May 1st is coming up and that'swhen, historically, a lot of
colleges kids have to makedecisions about where they're
going to go to college.
My two oldest, we went to lotsof different colleges for what

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they call Accepted Students Day,and then you meet the president
of the college.
They usually welcome you andthey give you a little spiel.
The spiels are always superboring and they're all the same
and you just zone out becauseyou're like, oh God, I've heard
all this before.
It's just really unimpressive.
Then there was this onepresident we went to and this
guy he's approaching his 50thyear as president of Bard

(01:20:44):
College and he started out bysaying the college application
process is inherently dishonestand irrational.
And all of us were like, yes,thank you.
Yeah, he went through and justgave this hour-long breakdown of
the entire process from theschool's point of view, from it
was amazing.

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So I just posted his speech, Idid some excerpts and things,
but that's on antagonistblogcomfor anyone it's.
It's funny because it's anunlisted video on YouTube.
I think there's, like you know,480 views and I'm like I bet
I'm 400 of those.
I bet because I just send it toeveryone and I'm like just
watch this.

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This is like the best insightyou'll ever get and a lot of
perspective taking and it's justreally great.
Okay, that's it for us today.
We'll be back with part seven,which is probably going to be.
It Might be the last Ted Lassoepisode with regard to reviews.
We're going to do a few otherTed Lasso episodes here and

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there for different reasons, butnot other breakdowns.
We'll see, we'll see.
I think we'll probably getthrough it.
Thank you for everything.
Thank you for staying with us,thank you to people.
I noticed a few more five-starreviews came in.
It really means the world.
I have a very bad habit ofstarting my day by looking to

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see if we lost any subscribers,which is a terrible thing.
Sometimes people just can'tsubscribe and every once in a
while you know people run into,you know issues and they
unsubscribe or they just get.
You know they move on todifferent podcasts.
I totally get it, but thosereviews really help pick me up
and it really means a lot.
It really helps our average, itreally helps our numbers, and

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It means the world to us.
Please support your locallibraries and the written word,
and until next time we are.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
Richmond Till we Die.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Richmond Till we Die.
We're Richmond Till we Die.
We know we are Until we die.
Until we die.
Hey, hey, love it All.
Right, see you next time.
Thanks everybody.

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