Luke Arcaini Interview: Notre Dame, Wild Card Weekend, and More - 01/11/25

Mark Henry Jr. and Sam Oshtry are joined from the jump by Luke Arcaini as they talk all things #NotreDame, #CFBPlayoff #NationalChampionship, #Eagles-#Packers #NFL #WildCardWeekend, #Phillies moves and non-moves, and more.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:23):
Hello and welcome to the com radio show. It's January eleventh,
twenty twenty five, and we're waking up the echoes, as
they say in South Bend, Indiana. We've got in the
studio in for my guys. Sean Bernard on the ones
and two stam Ostro. You can follow hat Sam. How

(01:46):
we doing.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
I'm doing great. I'm doing great. You guys can hear me.
All is good, all good, everything sounds great.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Love to hear it. Love on my right is a
guy who's been on the Notre Dame ride with me
the whole way Urcaney had to have him on. We've
been we've been riding together on this whole Fight in
Irish season. Had to have one and we've got a
wild Card weekend the preview as well, so had to
get Luke Arcadey on. Luke. How we doing, Oh, we're

(02:15):
doing great.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
You texted me the other night and you asked me
to come on, and I felt like I had no choice,
so I had to make I.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Had to rearrange plans a little bit, but we're good.
That's always what we want our guests to feel that
they don't have any other choice that come on there
they're legally obligated to correct. But we've got a lot
to talk about. Obviously, there's apparently a basketball organization in
Philadelphia that plays games. Apparently I don't know. I don't.

(02:43):
I don't I would be unaware of the results of
those organizations games, so I don't think we'll get too
much into that. I do have a big, big Phillies
topic in question for our Phillies insider here, Luke Rcaney.
That quite confusing news that came out yesterday, so we're
gonna get into that as well. Obviously, wild Card weekend

(03:05):
is upon us one of, if not the best football
weekends of the year. I think it's top three. We
can maybe debate that out a little bit. Six games,
we're all gonna fill out a bracket and say and
see who has the best bracket at the end here.
But like I said, like I opened off the show,
we have to get it started. I know it's been
two days. We could talk about last night's game as well,

(03:27):
but Notre Dame winning a game that for my entire
lifetime they lose. They lose that game when it's a
close game, in a big spot and an excruciating pain.
I thought. Sean McDonough, by the way, I think he's
been fantastic in this playoff. He's been on every Notre
Dame game as the play by play game. I think
he's been on a few others as well. But he

(03:49):
had a call. I think it was when it was
twenty four to twenty four before before Notre Dame punted
before Penn State through the interception at the end and
fourth quarter it was tied, and I think it was
minute warning and he announced one of these teams is
having the biggest win of the of their last decade
going to the National Championship, the other will be an
excruciating loser. It's like, yeah, that was a great call,

(04:12):
because that's exactly what happened. Whoever won that game was
gonna feel like they moved mountains and changed the label
of their program of the last you know, ten twenty years,
and whoever lost felt stuck in the quicksand felt stuck
in the mud. And for the Penn State fans out
there listening today, and I'm gonna turn it over to
you guys in the second. But if you didn't do

(04:34):
it when you had SMU and Boise State to get
to the final four, good night and good luck, You're
never gonna do it. So I'll turn it over to
you guys. Any Sam first, any reactions from Notre Dame
Penn State.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
Let me just say, Mark, I don't think they're giving
you enough credit for your role in that win.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Like we got, the.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
News of the day is not Notre Dame and it's
not Oh State. It's that Mark is clean shaved and
he deserves credit for his role at halftime getting that
go tee out shaving, changing the vibes. Mark, you need
more credit. Give yourself some credit here for this one.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, I was worried. Is that a panic move? I
didn't want to. I didn't want to show or show
Penn State that I was panicking, But if you looked
at my timeline, I absolutely was. So I went ahead.
Luke said do it for content. I was like, all right,
I gotta do it, gotta get rid of it. I thought,
going full mustache. She didn't have enough time, too much
hair on, there was hacking away. So I ended up

(05:35):
having to go for go tee during the game. Maybe
we'll shave it back. We got like twelve days. I'll
have a bit of a beer back by then have
to shave it back into a go tee for the championship.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
Man.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
Yeah, look on the game, I mean you kind of
said it, but when you talked about Sean's call, whichever
team was going to lose that game, it was going
to be an excruciating loss. And it feels even worse
for Penn State because when you have a path versus
SMU at home Boise State and a Notre Dame game
that was really a toss up, like based on that spread,
it was really a toss up of a game, and

(06:04):
you can't even get to the championship there. If not now,
when And the answer to when is probably never, Like
it's never gonna happen, like Penn State's probably not gonna
have as easy as a path as they had this
year to the championship. Another time where James Franklin comes
up short and I don't even think it was his fault,
Like I don't even think James Franklin, they were prepared.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
I thought he coached. He coached a pretty good game.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
But he's won and fifteen against top five opponents now
and last time he won a game against a top
five team in the country was twenty sixteen. Like I said,
it's probably not gonna happen. And look, both those quarterbacks
wanted to lose the game. Riley Leonard and Drew Aller
are both trying to lose that game. Are you gonna
defend Riley Leonard right now?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah? I am. Riley Leonard had like double the amount
of passing yards.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
That he played well better, he played better.

Speaker 6 (06:49):
I wouldn't say well, he played better than Drew Aller,
but he's still threw two costly which should have been
costly picks.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
The first one was they was third and fifteen, so
it was a twenty five yard pick. I don't want
to pull out the people trying to make the Josh
Allen MVP case on the arm punts, but I did think,
you know, you could make a bit of a case
that it's an arm pun. It was thirty and fifteen.
I'm happy they took the chance down the field. The
other one's bad. But if you look at that play,
that's an incredible play for what it was. I mean,
that's I don't know if I don't even know if

(07:17):
that's a dumb throw against like most defensive ends. That
guy vaulted up draft boards last night. I forget it,
denied Dennis Sutton or something somethinglike that. It's like a
three name guy, but yeah, he really I will defend Riley.
I think Riley made a lot more plays in the
passing game than anybody thought he was going to make.
So I think you if you told me before the

(07:37):
game he had a first quarter pick and then maybe
even a fourth quarter pick, but he's gonna throw for
two hundred and fifty or whatever it ended up being
two hundred and thirty yards, I would have taken that
for sure. So I thought Aler was the guy who
everybody told me was going to stretch the field, and
everybody told me was this NFL guy? And I thought
Riley not only out ran him obviously, but out threw

(07:58):
him in the game.

Speaker 6 (07:59):
Yeah, real quick, just to just to wrap up the
quarterback conversation.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
And then I'll then, Luke, you can go.

Speaker 6 (08:05):
I'm right there with you, because part of my handicap
is in this game was that Penn State had the
quarterback advantage. I thought Drew Aaler was playing really good football,
and I was a hater coming into this year.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
I didn't was not a fan of Drew Aler's.

Speaker 6 (08:16):
I thought he'd been playing really good, mostly turnover free football.
And he only is a creditor for one pick in
that game, but he could have had two or three.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Like that that pass.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
Interference call where he throw it into quadruple coverage, just
an inexcusable throw. And and you're right, like, no one
really expected Ryan Leonard to outplay Drewalery, but he did,
and that's what happened. Of course, Drewler's late game pick
was was the deciding factor.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Luke, this would not have been a happy show if
we were coming on after that pass interference deciding the game.
This show the haters and the haters and sickos, as
Big Cat would say, would have loved to hear my
thoughts if that, if that all decided the game. But Luke,
give me your take. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
One, on the pass interference, I think it's a I
think it's a tough It's an easy call to make
for the ref because of the rule, But I don't
like the rule. Like I don't think that ball was
any what catchable for Warren. I think that he's throwing
it into quadruple coverage down in the left side of
the end zone like that that corner is making a

(09:21):
deflection play, like he's not His intentions there are not
to run in at Warren. When that ball was underthrown
by three yards, he was basically forced.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
He was forced into Tyler Warren.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
But I think, like if you would have told me
at halftime that Notre Dame loses this game, I would
have said, Okay, it's a tough loss. But I still think,
like it wouldn't have been.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
A horrible, horrible loss for Notre Dame. I think that
was a horrible loss for Penn State.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
You're up ten. I think you, like we said, I
think going in the game. I don't love Drew Aller
before the game, but I think we kind of assumed
that they did have the advantage. I think we knew
how the Notre Dame o line was at the time.
One guy was already out, and I mean they were
just getting they were getting shredded all night. And the

(10:17):
fact that Penn State they just they just continued to
make mistakes. And I think all week, like everyone on
the station, like nobody thought this was going to be
a blowout. Everybody knew this game was going to be close.
And so many people across like you know, the national
media and the local media. All they were saying all
week was it's going to come down to a turnover.
It's it's it's going to come down to a mistake.

(10:37):
And it was the Notre Dame defense that forced turnovers
all year and it was I really liked what Riley
Leonards showed on the last drive and it wasn't a
lot Like he didn't do a lot that he threw
what one pass. I love that that one on third down.
That was an incredible play call to get the first down.
But he he had the ball in his hands right

(10:59):
like balls, he had the ball in his hands, he
he got the yards that Notre Dame needed, because that
that easily could have turned into just Notre Dame running
the ball and walking themselves into a fourth down on
the forty yard line, and that could have been some
like fifty eight yard field goal. But I thought that

(11:19):
last drive they played perfectly. I think it it also
sets you know, it sets Notre Dame up for the
future because I think a lot of people went into
that game, like now seeing how these guys play for
Marcus Freeman, and we talked about this mark like it
doesn't matter who their opponent is right now, like these

(11:40):
guys are just going to war for Marcus Freeman every game.
So I think it sets it sets Notre Dame up
nice for the future. I think this line for the
National Championship is too big. I get Ohio State's really good.
I still think it's too big for a championship game,
but yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
It's it's a scary opponent, it is. I will say
they didn't look as much of what a rolling ball
at Chainsaws last night. You know, they looked at least
somewhat maybe you could play with them. I mean, note,
if you're just doing the transitive property, which is dangerous
in college football. Texas lost to Georgia twice, and one

(12:19):
of those games, Gunner Stockton played at least half of
and then the overtime of and still beat Texas. Notre
Dame beat Georgia pretty handily, so and Texas kept it
close with Ohio State until Jack Sawyer ripped the ball
out of quin you weres hands at the end of
the game. But it's I'm talking myself into it being
a game. I'm sure by game time I'll talk myself

(12:41):
into them having a chance. But honestly, the season's a
success no matter what happens in that game. You make
it to the National Championship. You win three games to
get here, the first twelve team playoff. I don't care
what happens in the national Championship. The biggest winner of
the National Championship besides me maybe Ryan Day of just
saving his own butt, is Marcus Freeman. I mean, this

(13:05):
guy seems to have arrived on a national scale as
kind of one of the coaches of college football, which
I think there was a bit of a void. You
look at how many guys top guys and not just
college football, college basketball, in college sports, in general programs
and top teams were kind of defined year after year
by the coach. And you think of Saban, you think

(13:25):
of coach k Jay Wright, you think of other guys
that Mac Brown's now gone, but I'm blanking on some
other football names. Jim Harball off to the NFL, Urban
Meyer not coaching anymore. So you think about those big names,
it did feel a bit of You looked across the
twelve team playoff, who were like the star coaches coming in,

(13:45):
It's like, oh, well, Kirby's won a title. I guess
he's the only He's the little only coach in college
football who holds a national championship ring right now. So
that's kind of the interesting storyline. Who steps up into
that void? And I think Marcus Freeman has been home
one of those top top guys, and yeah, it's I
will say James Franklin. I don't think he outright lost

(14:07):
them the game, but I do think something that's not
getting enough credit is you go right down the field
on your first drive, you get to the one yard line.
On second in goal, you'd lose two yards and fourth
and goal at the three. In a zero zero game,
you take a field goal I think the difference between
three and seven ended up mattering quite a lot in

(14:28):
that game. And I said at the time, I think
they just absolutely saved us. If we went down seven
to nothing, I would have been pretty scared. You're down
fourteen nothing instead of ten to nothing. I think that's
a lot different of a game, and obviously the scoreboard agrees.
I thought that was a brutal call by James.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
Yeah, I'm right with you on that, but I also
want to hear your guys' thoughts about how they finished
the game, because a lot of people are killing Franklin
for putting the ball in Drew Aller's hand. I'm never
I mean, hindsight's hindsight is obviously twenty twenty. So like
you look back and say, okay, they probably should have
kneel just running out whatever to go to go overtime.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
I don't have a problem with them putting the ball.

Speaker 6 (15:02):
And Drew Alier sayd and Greg Macker on the broadcast
with an all time broadcaster's jinx right as they're going
into the dry He's like, he's like Drew Aller never
puts the ball in harms way, he doesn't throw interceptions,
and like right there. I was thinking, like, he's kind
of right, but like he's about to throw a pick.
But I don't have a problem with it because Drew
Aller he didn't play well that game, but he had

(15:23):
been playing pretty well up until like, over his last
nine games before that one, he only had three picks.
He really isn't a guy who turns the ball over
like that, and he was putting the ball in harms
way that game, but he hadn't been for most of
the season. So I have a problem going out, like,
all right, let's try to win this game. Let's let
Drew Aller make plays. Obviously, looking back, didn't work out
that way. He'd made an awful decision. But people are
killing Franklin for that. I didn't think that was a

(15:44):
bad decision.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
But yeah, I don't either. I don't either.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
I think that's a situation in like we know, the
difference in what forty eight seconds from NFL to college,
like forty eight seconds in this sport is way more.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Than it is in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
Like, I think there's absolutely like you should go for
it there. I mean, it's it's the college football semi final,
and you're not gonna like run the ball and punt
it back with like you're gonna go for it. Should
you have maybe thrown the ball to Warren on the
sideline or or or sort of run the ball like outside? Yeah,

(16:24):
but like I don't think you throw a twenty yard
crosser out over the middle in a double coverage like that.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
That's the issue. I don't I.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Don't disagree with them going for the field goal there
at all. I think you have to, Like I don't
like if you go three and out there you give
Notre Dame the ball back with ten seconds left, and
obviously that's that's not a lot of time, but that
that's like you don't want Notre Dame to have any chance.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
And and if if.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
If you're sending the ball down the field, that's fine,
but not a not a twenty yard slant in the
double coverage across the middle with forty seconds left, when
all you have to do, literally the only thing you
have to do is not turn the ball over there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I think it's one of those damned if you do,
damned if you don't. Type things like if he ran
the clock out, I think people would be calling him
some names that we can't say on the radio and
I and I think if he you know, if obviously
you go down the field and you get a field goal,
you're a genius. But I do think it's fair to criticize,
like Luke said, the decision to go across the middle,

(17:27):
and is that on al or is that on Franklin.
That's kind of up for debate. I guess you could
say it's on Alor even if it's the third if
it's a third read or fourth read, it's on Aler.
I saw someone on ESPN saying it was the third
read of the on the play, So you can't really
blame Franklin, But then you you probably shouldn't even be
giving him those options.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
If you're getting to the third read on your play
in that situation, I don't like, you shouldn't be throwing
the ball. I like, if if your first read is
not open and then your second read is not open,
you've ran what eight seconds off the like you It's
just it's it's a it's a horrendous pass, like all
you had to do. Once again, it's just not turn

(18:07):
the ball over, like yeah, and you now you're in
overtime and at the time, I mean, with how Leonard
just threw the pick. I like, I would probably like
Penn State's offense better in that overtime, Like.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
I think Penn State was set up to win that
overtime more than Notre Dame was at the time. And
like I just it.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
I mean, that kid's gotta be hurting, because that is
like legitimately the one thing that you cannot do.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
It's the whole off season to think about it. He's
coming back.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
It was big time. He was terrible. I mean, he
was beyond terrible in that game. And I had a
lot that I handicapped wrong about the game. Like I
thought Notre Dame's rushing attack would be a lot more dangerous.
I didn't think Penn State would run for over two
hundred yards in the game against a really good run defense.
So there was a lot I didn't handicap right. And
even Riley, I will say I was I was saying

(18:59):
I thought Riley would throw more than people thought. And
I get like one hundred and fifty one hundred eighty
yards way out shut, way out shine to that even
missing a drive in terms of his passing yards. But
the thing that I got right and the reason that
I loved the matchup for Notre Dame was because I
do think even though I think they're the number two
pass defense in the country, I think you've seen in
games against USC, even a little bit against an m

(19:22):
a couple games even in the middle of the year,
that you can get Notre Dame deep. They're really aggressive,
they pressure you, they blitz you. USC Ja and Mayava
was really able to take advantage of that. With some
blue chip receivers at USC, I'm a little bit afraid
of playing the most blue chip of all the blue
chip receivers I've ever seen in my life in Jeremiah Smith,

(19:43):
and what Ohio State is going to do to that.
I think it's not a good matchup. Even Texas, and
I know people don't like quin you or especially after
last night, I think Texas would have been a tough
matchup with Isaiah Bond and if Golden's good to go,
I think they have some dangerous guys on the outside
as well, so I I think it would have been
a bad matchup for either of those matchups for Notre Dame.

(20:04):
But the reason I love the Penn State matchup was
because I did not think they had the receivers to
take advantage of being able to beat them deep zero
catches for the wide receivers.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
Obviously they didn't because they didn't have a single catch.
And I said Jansen said yesterday to Jansen and he
was like, yeah, that's all Alur. I was like, it is,
but it isn't like the fact, like I don't care.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
What the quarterback did.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
You don't see zero receptions for zero yards in football
by a single wide receiver like ever, Like that's not
something that that's not something that happens every week. Like
like you can take the worst quarterback in college football
and he'll still find his number one receiver for thirty yards,
like zero catches for zero that like that's that's absurd stuff.

(20:47):
And listen, if they can, if they can play like that,
Like that's why I keep saying, like I didn't think
if you get the Ohio State of last night, I
don't think Notre Dame's out of it. Like I don't
think Ohio State looked anywhere close to what they look
like the last two playoff games. And I mean, they
were dominating the first two playoff games, but they that

(21:09):
was not the case last night.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
They still they still have covered every single number and
just to get to I guess if you're going to
look ahead to the National Championship, like they've covered every
single number. Even if Texas game is closer than the
final score indicated, they still have covered every number pretty dominantly.
And that's exactly one of my biggest handicaps in the
game where I first came out like this is a
huge number, Like this doesn't feel like it should be

(21:32):
like that. But Ohio State has that explosive playability through
the pass game that Notre Dame is going to be
incredibly vulnerable. And when you talk about Penn State doesn't
have those those deep receivers and weapons, I'm with you,
And that's a lot on James Franklin, Like when was
last time Penn State has recruited like really elite wide
receivers like Johan Dotson. Maybe I'm missing someone, but like

(21:52):
they get tight ends like Tyler Warren's obviously going to
be a top ten pick, but they don't really recruit
these high end blue chip receivers. Ohio State though, and
they're gonna they're gonna take advantage of that against Notre
Dame secondary. So that's why it's like, if you have
that explosive playability. Is nine and a half really that
many points? I mean, it feels like a lot, but
it might not be.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I definitely wouldn't lay the nine and a half, but
I'm also not running to cover Tibet than nine and
a half for for Notre Dame. I do think Notre
Dame the way that they played ball control offense, and
I think you get a better rushing attack from Notre
Dame that you got from Texas in that game. Texas
ran for two yards per carry in that game, and
that's been a theme for Texas every time they've played
a big game. You look at the two Georgia games,
you look at the Arizona State game, you look at

(22:33):
this game. They just they haven't been able to run
the ball against actual opponents. I know Notre Dame didn't
run the ball too well against against Penn State last night.
I ord two nights ago. I would say that the
passing attack made up for that. I do think they'll
run the ball better against the Against Ohio State. I
think Penn State has been a better run defense most
of the year than Ohio State has. Ohio State probably

(22:54):
a definitely a better pass defense. Just to be frank,
there but I do think the way that they'll be
able to run the ball and control the ball, I
think nine and a half is a lot of points.
But I also totally understand why the spread is what
it is. I thought six seemed late against Texas, to
be honest, the way we were talking about the game,
I was kind of shocked that wasn't more. It's kind
of why I was thinking, maybe I bet Texas I
ended up laying off. But that's let's let's we're gonna

(23:17):
get back to that at some point in the show.
And I know Beef's coming on at noon as well.
I'm sure we'll talk a little college with him too.
Maybe we'll focus a little bit more on that Ohio
State Texas game from last night. Let's talk a little
bit before we get to the NFL. Just a couple
of minutes on Jeff Hoffman signing with Toronto three years,
thirty three million, and the news comes out. Obviously we're
all kind of reacting to that when it comes out,

(23:38):
what the heck? You know, how do we not beat
that offer? And then it comes out that Baltimore had
a three year, forty million dollar offer that he failed.
I guess failed two physicals because of his right shoulder
on Luke, what are you what are you hearing about
this and kind of what's your take on it.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
Yeah, so there was a deal with the Orioles, like
you said, three years, forty million, and then yeah, it
was revealed that he failed two physicals his his throwing shoulder.
I don't know what's what that's about.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
And I mean it it says a lot that.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
If if the Phillies aren't gonna re sign him, they're
not going to resign him if he's not.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Healthy, especially his throwing shoulder.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
Yeah, I mean losing them stinks, but I mean you
can't sign a guy that's not healthy. It could just
be a right now thing, And I mean he could
be ready for the season, but I don't think Toronto
would have signed him if they didn't think he was
ready for the season. But yeah, it's weird. I not

(24:42):
something I expected. That was very random because it didn't
seem like anything when the season was still going on.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
But yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Still think the Phillies need one more I I I
really want one more bullpen arm that there. There's still
a lot of names out there. It's it's now sort
of just a matter of how far they want to
go over that fourth tax, because they're they're basically over
it now.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
So if you sign a reliever to.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
A twelve million dollar deal for twenty twenty five, you're
basically paying like twenty five and a half million.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
That's that's really what it's at.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
It's one hundred and ten percent tax for every dollar
you go over. So it's it's gonna start getting steep
in their pockets. But if they want to win, they
gotta pay the money. I think we've seen with the Dodgers,
like if you spend the money and you win the championship,
you instantly make the money back, like they are in

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the green already from the Otani contract. Like the second
you win a World Series, all that money that you
spent and the tax you went over and the money
you're throwing to these guys, all that debt goes away
because of the amount of money you make from winning
a championship. But bottom line is, I still think the
Phillies need need one more. But I do like the

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deal for Toronto. They finally landed some sort of free
agent because they've been in on it's it's been the
case for Toronto. They've been in on every single guy
I think this offseason, and they haven't landed a single one.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Would you attach a top prosps not a top not
like obviously we're not talking Painter Miller or whoever, whoever
you want to say is top guys after that Crawford.
Would you attach a nice prospect to Taiwan Walker at
this point? Yeah, I think that's what.

Speaker 5 (26:27):
I think you have to if and I don't think
that deal is going to come on the table, which stinks.
I if that was any sort of option, I think
they they run to the counter and they signed the
contract as soon as they can. It's it's a sort
of thing where like you're not going to use them
like that.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
That's that's what it's really about.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
Like you have six starters that are already better than him,
and one of them hasn't even pitched in the pros yet,
and and you already basically know that he's already better
than Walker. Yeah, it's like it's it's gotten to the
point where you have to do anything you can to
get off of it, and if they do, they're gonna

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be eating some sort of money. But it's it's better
than having a guy signed for eighteen million when he's
not going to pitch for you.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, we'll talk more about some Philly stuff throughout the
off season. I will just uh won one MLB take
I'll throw out there before we move on to the
NFL because we got to get to wild Card weekend.
But uh, just one baseball take. Everyone's talking about the
Dodgers spending money. Everybody's talking about the Mets spending money,
the Yankee spending money. The Braves are just gonna slide

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right back in with and Strider. We talked about this.
They're gonna win the World Series.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
To win that at least right now, who's the favorite
to win that at least?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Is it the Braves? It's I think it's the Braves.
I think they're probably probably recon neck there and the
odds and then Phillies are third but not too far behind.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
Division winner n L least Braves plus one forty five,
Mets plus one eight and were plus two hundred.

Speaker 6 (28:02):
So yeah, I mean value on the value on the Phillies, alright,
not encouraging.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
That was not encouraging.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
Yeah, Mark, I I completely agree with you there. I
think the Braves being a team that was still in
the hunt to make the playoffs last year with a
month and a half mist of of Matt Olson and
a full year with Noah Kunya and a full year
with Strider and injuries to their bullpen and injuries to

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their rotation and more injuries. They lost Azzie Albis for
two months, they lost Austin Riley for like a month
and a half. To still be the favorite after finishing
third in in your division is that's pretty telling to me.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
If I had to lay if I had to lay
a number on the.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Division, it would probably definitely be the brain when the
Mets literally went to the NLCS and signed Juan Soto, like,
make you all that, and the Phillies win their first
division title in thirteen years, and like the fact that
the Braves are still the favorite is just inevitable.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
They found Lopez, they found Schwellenbach, Like four more guys
this year, Yeah, they'll find more. It's absurd. I hate
the Braise so much, But let's talk NFL. Let's all,
we're all gonna do brackets. Maybe I'll sam I'll have
you fill out the bracket in the second part of
the hour and in the in the first part of
the second hour, with beef as well. Let's go through
it with Luke here and just go game by game

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and we could talk a little spread as well, but
we'll go quickly through them Chargers Texans. It's really the
only side I have all week. I love the Chargers,
absolutely love the Chargers, which is so funny. And I
think I've been radicalized the other way almost like I
was the anti Herbert guy forever and I was like,
you guys are crazy putting in with Josh Allen and

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Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. And I still feel that way,
Like I still one hundred percent I feel that way.
But the people like Sean Bernard, my co hosts on
this show, have almost made me turn like babyface on
Justin Herbert because he tries to tell me that like
Gino Smith's better and that Justin Herbert's like the twenty
second best quarterback in the NFL, and I'm like, well,

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you're going too far the other way now, so I
have to be like, I have to find common ground.
He's probably like the seventh best quarterback in the NFL.
Like I think I would take like jal En or
Jordan Love over them. Besides the accept the top four.
That's it though, Like those are the only guys I
would take him. And if you want to say you
take Herbert over love or Hurts whatever, I disagree, but

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it's fine. So that's my little preamble there. I'm pretty
sure you guys will both be on the Chargers. I'm
pretty sure you guys are both Herbert guys.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
Yeah, I'm pretty That's probably my favorite play of the day.
Mark We've sent for two months that whoever whoever Houston
plays in the first round, we're gonna fade him.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
It's just like I think, I think Houston's cooked. I
think CJ.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
Shrouds had a really bad year and I don't see
it getting better against a young Chargers team with a
new coach. I get it it is in Houston, but
I just I don't see it. I think the Chargers
have the chance to I think this one they could
win by ten if, like, if.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Their offense plays how they've played the last few weeks.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
I mean, they're averaging like thirty seven a game the
last three games. I was looking at the Chargers team total,
I believe twenty and a half is sitting around like
even money. And I saw twenty three and a half
at like plus one twenty earlier in the week.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I do like that, but as far as the game,
I like Chargers minus three. I don't. I just think
Houston's cooked.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
I actually haven't played this yet, and the part of
the reason is because, like the Texans, they stink. I mean,
they're one to five against playoff teams. They haven't been
anyone good all season, and they're just They've been a
disaster all year and see this as a disappointing year. Obviously,
the two top weapons went down, so it's not all
on him, but everyone and their mother is on the

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charges in this game.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
I mean, Texans love. I feel like I've seen a
lot of people saying that and then taking the Texans.

Speaker 6 (32:15):
But like, yes, because it's the contrarian take. But there's
just like a part of me that feels like everyone's
just penciling in the Chargers and their offense has been
really good, but those last two games of the year
were against the Raiders and Patriots. I'm not really putting,
and they put up like thirty four against the Broncos
week before that, so so I'm not putting, which is
a good defense obviously, but I'm not putting that much
stock in the recent charges offense.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
This is a huge game for Justin Herbert.

Speaker 6 (32:38):
I mean the conversation, I mean, Sean's going to take
a massive victory lap if he somehow loses this game.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
But the conversation, Justin Herbert, lose me this five unit
bet today, but don't you this course will not be favorable.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
And he should take a victory lap because it'll kind
of come I feel like it will come down to
Justin Herbert. I think it's gonna be closer than people think.
Obviously spreads two and a half three. But I still
like there's a part of me that I haven't touched yet,
because there's a part of me that feels like Texans
at home, like every no one believes in them. It
feels like there's a part of me that they could
still win this game at least cover where the Chargers

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Justin Herbert as a clutch late drive and the Chargers
are trailing by one or two and they kick a
field goal for the wins. So there's a part of
me that feels like the Chargers could win and still
not Cover. So right now I'm staying away. We'll see
what happens. In the next five hours if I pull
the trigger on something. But I'm not really convinced on
either side.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Who are you picking for the bracket, I'll take.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
The charges for the bracket.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
For the bracket, I'll take the Chargers.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
I'm not putting my money up.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
You're gonna hear me on all these all these NFC
games that aren't the Eagles, even the Eagles to a
certain degree, I'm not convicted on any of them. On
any of them, I think there's a lot of flip
a coin. The Chargers just happened to be the coin
I'm confident in this weekend, So a game that's not
a flip of the coin. Steelers at Raven Ravens minus
nine and a half. The one thing I'll say is

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the Steelers did do a really good job defensively against
Cincy last week. For a while there, the defense just
didn't look at all like it had looked in the
first half of the year. I will say, if you're
a Steelers fan looking for some level of optimism, and
everyone's going to tell you the Lamar Steelers stats and
how Lamar stinks against the Steelers, he just kicked your
butt on National TV. I wouldn't necessarily I wouldn't necessarily

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rest my hat on that. I would rest my hat
on the defense. Finally, kind of looking like it solves
some problems against the Bengals. Say what you want about
the Bengals, that offense has been a lead all year,
so it looks like they found their way even though
they lost the game. A little bit. I have some
concerns about the offense. If Justin Fields was starting this game,
I'd actually be interested in maybe hearing a Steelers upset case,

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kind of similar to Notre Dame. You run the ball,
you keep it on the ground, you don't turn the
ball over, you play good defense, and you hope that
you know the other team makes a mistake. A little bit.
With Russell Wilson, what you've seen over this last month
or from him after this hot start that he had.
Their EPA per play with him as a starter is negative.
Their EPA per play with Justin Fields as a starter

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was positive. And Justin Fields was four and two as
a starter.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
Smaller sample size, but it's still it's still somewhat of
a decent sample for.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Sure, small sample size, and Russ is six and four
as a starter, so are six and five. I apologize
bad math on my part. Wasn't a math major six
and five as a starter for Russ so uh I.
I do think that if they were gonna like pull
fields in in the second quarter of the game, that
would actually scare me if I was a Ravens fan.
But Ravens should win this game.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Yeah, I like I like the Ravens. I think nose
is big. I'm interested to see what they can do
with Bateman. I think it's gonna be very Andrews likely
heavy today. I think it's gonna be a lot of
yards for tight ends, a lot of Derrick Henry. The
issue is the Steelers can't let the Ravens get rolling,

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like the defense has to come out for shot of
the game and go three and out. Like if the
Ravens come out, they go up seven oh ten oh
games over games over Ravens cover. But yeah, I would
probably lean on the game, I'd probably lean Ravens, but
as far as the bracket, I would most certainly lean
the Ravens.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
Yeah, I was gonna say Steelers are my favorite play
of the day, plus the points, and obviously in the bracket,
I'm not gonna take the Steelers.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
I'll take the Ravens, but plus the points I forgot.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
You're a Lamar hater, not a hater.

Speaker 6 (36:28):
Josh Allen's not a hater. He won't win, he won't
win the MVP, but he should be the m v P.
I knew that would trigger you to It's not a Lamar,
it's not. It's nothing to do with Lamar. Honestly, I
think the Steelers demise has been greatly exaggerated, like they
they've lost the last four games, But when you look

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at that three game stretch, it was against the Eagles,
the Chiefs, and the Ravens, and that was an eleven
days That was that weird stretch. So you're playing three
of the best teams in the league and you're doing
it with an span of eleven days.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
That's like an impossible stretch.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
So the Steelers, it's not some late season collapse that
the Steelers have gone on and there's still a good team.
And of course they lost the Bengals last week of
the season. Like you said, their defense looked better, but
again that was a red hot Bengals team and a
desperate Bengals team, So this wasn't like a bad Bengals
team that lost to So it was really it wasn't
a late season collapse for the Steelers. They're a good
team who played a lot of great teams with a

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brutal schedule and a tough stretch. So I don't I
still trust this Steelers defense and I trust Mike Tomlin.
I don't really put too much stock I'm not a
Lamar Jackson hater. Let's say that I don't put too
much stock in the truth. I wouldn't say that either.
Somewhere in the middle. Somewhere in the middle falter. I'm like,

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the one in four record in the last five games
doesn't really matter to me that much. I don't think
like Mike Tomlin is gonna is gonna shut down Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
He does.

Speaker 6 (37:49):
It is the one team in the NFL. He's more
picks against that then touchdowns thrown against. But it doesn't
really matter. I think Lamar Jackson is still gonna have
a day. I just I just trust the Steelers defense
and running game, and trust Mike Tomlin's a put a
good enough game plan together where it's not like a
late season collapse. It's zero zero going into the playoffs,
and I think they're gonna cover this number.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
They're not gonna win, but they'll cover the number.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Uh, real quick on this one, Does anyone have a
bet on Broncos Bills? Yeah, I think it's the Bills.
You're laying the points. I think it's the Bills.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
I think this is one where I think people are
gonna try and get cute with it and say the
Boknicks thing and say how the Broncos defense has been playing,
And then I think it's just gonna be Josh Allen going.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Out for a wildcard weekend and just putting up maybe forty,
maybe thirty.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
Like I, I think there's potential of it being a
pretty good game. But if if I had to lean away,
it's it's it's definitely the Bills. Real quick has Wildcard
weekend always put the three AFC teams first. I just
noticed that it's all AFC games and then all NFC games.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Can they usually do that? They did it last year.
I don't know if they did it previously to that
they did it last year. It is. I kind of
like it because I like these the teams together a
little bit. There's not a huge rest disadvantage, so.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
I do like that a little bit, and it pretty
much guarantees that next week the AFC would be playing
on Saturday, and then if to be on Sunday, right.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah, yes, yeah, I think that's how they I think
that's why they do that. I'm not betting this game.
Outside of Josh Allen touchdown. I will be on Josh.
I think it's minus one twenty. I got it at
six of the last seven, seven to the last eleven.
They're tush push merchants now too, but they count for
Josh Allen, Yeah, they count. They count as rushing touchdowns.
Josh Allen willed it in himself, but Jalen, you know,

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he's an evil, evil tush push merchant. The four to
thirty game Eagles. I've said this time and time again.
I think Green Bay is the scariest opponent in the
NFC for the Eagles. I think if you win this game,
you're going to the super Bowl. I truly believe that.
It scares me more than going to Detroit. Scares me

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more than hosting Tampa, scares me more than hosting Soda
whoever you want to throw at me. Green Bay is
the only team in the top five in offensive and
defensive Dboa, and I know that Luke's gonna tell me
how they lost to every good team. The difference between
the Packers and what we just brought up with the Steelers,
and I think some of your points they were valid.
I'm certainly not laying one and a half points with
the Ravens, so I certainly see your point with the

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Steelers not collapsing, just playing a brutal schedule. The difference is,
you look at all those Packers games against good teams.
They lost by a field goal or a touchdown, and
they kept it close with every single team, whereas the
Steelers made you feel like they never had a chance
five minutes in. That's a little bit of the difference.
I'm looking at the Packers and everybody's pointing at them
and saying, oh, you lost every good team you played,

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And I'm kind of looking at it and be like, well,
they only lost to the best teams they played, Like,
look at the rest of their kind of schedule. The
Packers scare the craft out of me. If the Packers
beat the Eagles, I think they're going to go to
the Super Bowl as the seventh seed. I really do
think that, And I know people think I'm gassing at
the Packers. They've said that all year long. I think
that it is a travesty that this is the seventh

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seed that the Eagles have to play. Let's go back
to the two buys, the top two seeds getting buys.
I'm sick of this. This is what the Commanders are
the sixth seed and the Rams are the four and
we're sitting here having to play Matt Lafleur and Jordan Love.
It scares me, But Eagles eleven to zero when Jalen
Lane and aj all play and finish the game, averaging
twenty nine points per game in those games. I'm just

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repeating that stat to myself in the shower to give
myself confidence and not to like curl up in a ball. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
I think the Eagles are just really It's it's pretty
simple for me. I think the Eagles are just really,
really good and dominant when everybody's healthy and they have
all twenty two harders tomorrow, they don't have a single
guy on the injury report tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
That matters in this football game.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
I think getting a home game obviously most likely a
few home games, I just I it feels like maybe
a bigger ish line for a really good seventh seed.
But I also think the line is showing respect to
how good the Eagles are. I think all of us

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have watched every single Eagles game this year, and and
if they're healthy, they just dominate. They they they win,
They win games against teams like the Ravens. They go
out to LA and they beat the crap out of
the Rams, like they just beat good teams. So yeah,
I mean I like the Eagles five and a half.
I most certainly liked them in the bracket. I think

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this game has a bit of some over potential as well.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
It's at forty five and a half right now, as
long as that win. I don't know what it's looking like.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
It's it's been really windy around here in the last
few days, but yeah, I would lay the Eagles five
and a half. I if the Eagles play how they should,
I think they can win by two touchdowns.

Speaker 6 (42:50):
The Eagles like are gonna win and win win handily.
I was with you, Mark, Mark, I was with you
in the beginning. I was like, please give me the Commanders,
Please give me one Washington.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
I do not want to play the Packers.

Speaker 6 (43:01):
And then Christian Watson goes out, Jordan loves, Jordan loves
elbow hand thing, like that's kind of.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
A big deal.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
I mean, it's on it, it's on his throwing arm.
That's not like that's a big deal. They're gonna get
pressure and put pressure on Jordan Love. And I said
this on Sean's show the other day. The last quarterback
to play a playoff game at the Link also left
with some elbow concerns, mister brock Purty. So I'm just
saying they're gonna put some pressure on Jordan Love and
on that elbow. That's a real thing. Look, the Eagles
are just through the physically dominant team. Like Luke just said,

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We've watched them every single game. They've been the tougher,
more physically dominant team for sixty minutes every single game
since the bye, every single.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
One, and when they're completely healthy.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
I don't even count the Washington game really because Jalen
goes out, But they've been the physically more dominant team
every game.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
That's what they're gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
They're gonna lean on their offensive line, lean on running
the football, and I just don't I think they're gonna
the Packers' defensive line is gonna be worn out, like
the part of what makes the Eagles defense so elite.
It's not that they're they have good defensive personnel, for sure,
but it's really not on the field that much. Because
the Eagles have number one time possession in the entire NFL.
They just run the ball through Jailen and Saquon and

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I expect Jalen to have a pretty big running day too.
Lean on that offensive line, control possession, control the clock,
and don't even give that many opportunities to the opponent.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
And I think that's exactly what's gonna happen. We're gonna
have eight nine to ten minute possessions and we're gonna
go down the field, score score points.

Speaker 6 (44:24):
It might not happen in the first quarter, but it's
gonna be enough where we control get seven points through
eight minute possessions, nine minute possessions, and our defense is
so well rested that they can play at high level
and get off the field and third down, and that's
what's gonna happen. The Packers really don't scare scare me
as much as I thought when this matchup came out,
and I.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Gotta we gotta take a break in a minute, so
I gotta get Luke out of here. I kept him
way too long. I apologize to Luke. But what i've
what I will say, and what I don't want people
to take what I'm saying as disrespectful to the Eagles.
I think the Eagles are the best team in the NFC.
I think they're probably the second best team in the NFL.
I think you could argue that Ravens of the Bills
over them, but I'd put them as the second best

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team in the NFL. I would be saying this about
any team that had to play Green Bay. I think
Green Bay is like the fifth or sixth best team
in the NFL. I truly do think that they are.
So that's really what it's coming down to. And I
think that three and a half point spread is more
telling of what it opened at than the five and
a half points that it's gotten bet up to. That's
what the people like the Eagles. The odds makers thought

(45:26):
this was a pretty close game, and that's I think
this is going to be a war. I think it's
going to be Eagles win on a field goal. Hopefully
Jake Elliott has a little Mitch Jeter in.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Him again if it comes down to a field goal.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah. I think the Packers have had issues kicking field
goals as well, though I think they're on like their
third kicker of the year, so maybe that's maybe that's
something to watch the kicking game here in Eagles Packers.
But real quick, because these are coin flips to me,
and we got to take a long break. But I
don't know what to do with either of these games
with Commi's bucks or Vikings Rams. I've talked myself into

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Commies and Rams, which would mean Washington plays Detroit and
we get the Rams. I don't know if that's because
I want to avoid Tampa. I'm talking myself into Washington
winning because I think they're gonna unleash Jayden as a runner.
That's the one thing that I do think. I don't
think Tampa's going to be able to handle h Where

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are you guys at on either are you confident either
of those games or they both flip the coins to
you guys?

Speaker 5 (46:30):
Yeah, this the first one is kind of a coin flip,
Washington Tampa Bay. I was I was leaning over in
points all week but highest over under the weekend. I
think the common bet I feel like I've seen it
is is a lot a lot on the over and
on the over while I keep yeah, that's probably where

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where I was leaning as well. If I had to
take a side, I'd probably go Tampa. I don't love
the three, but I like Tampa. I think I've said
all week, I think this is probably gonna.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Be the best game of the weekend.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
I think it has the chance to be a really,
really good football game. I would probably lean Tampa, but
I would not be surprised in the slightest if Washington
did win that game. As far as the Vikings Rams,
I like the Rams. I liked the Rams all week.
I watched that Vikings Lions game on Sunday night, and

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Sam Darnold looked like an incompetent quarterback for four quarters.
He he missed like three or four touchdowns. I just
I think this Rams if if the Rams offense goes
how they can go. I think the Rams can put
up points, and I think they can win.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I really like the plus three. I would by time.

Speaker 5 (47:56):
The games here if I still feel this good, I
would probably look at the plus ones four as well.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Sham, I yeah. The first game Commander's Bucks complete Toss up.

Speaker 6 (48:04):
I think I'm gonna take the over with you on
that just feel like not not the best defenses, There's
gonna be a lot of points, especially Baker Mayfield. I
do trust them in the playoffs more than Jaydon Daniels,
who obviously we haven't seen, so I'd lean the Bucks
a little bit, but I'm gonna take the over there.
And then for Vikings Rams, I'm going with the Vikings.
I think feel like a lot of people have switched
up on the Vikings and I think they're a really

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overrated fourteen win team. Don't get me wrong, They're not
as talented as as the record says, but I think
after watching that Sunday night game with the Lions just
dominate them, and like Luke said, Sam Donald was horrible,
his worst game of the season by far. A lot
of people have kind of completely bailed on the Vikings ship,
and I'm not there yet. Like I think the Rams
are a good team, but I still think there's gonna
be opportunity for Sam Donald to have a bounce back game.

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And I don't think moving it to Glendale really Arizona
really impacts either team that much. I'm not really factoring
that in but it's a thought in my mind. I
like the Vikings in that game minus three.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
That's fair. No, I think it's a total total toss
up Luke sixty seconds or less. Let's rapid fire Eagles
Bucks in the second round, Eagles, Lions, Rams in the
second round, Lions, and then in the AFC you've got Chiefs,
Chargers in the second Chiefs by a lot. And then
the matchup of the year, Uh the end, the real

(49:22):
MVP in Baltimore goes to Buffalo to beat the team
he beat thirty five to ten earlier on in the year,
Ravens Bills and the Reels win. Bills win thirty eight
to thirty five.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Because because alan, because the potential.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Would be one of the best games. Baltimore is going
to be a game of the year for me next
week as long as we have a relatively.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
Relative but that that is a game where I wouldn't
carry their way. I would absolutely hammer down on the over,
but I would say I would say Bill's thirty eight.

Speaker 6 (49:59):
Ravens, that's like a Jokic and beat ever played in
the finals a couple of years ago. That's what this Ravens.
This Ravens Bills matchup is with Alan and Lamoar.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
It's like, uh, I'm trying to even think it's Lebron
d Rose a little bit in that in that era
when d Rose won the m v p uh. And
then you have Eagles Lions.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
Eagles in probably the best Eagles game I'll ever watch.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
I didn't like that hesitation.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah, I didn't like the hesitation either. That was that
was not as much hesitation as you thought there was.
Chiefs Bills, Chiefs. I refuse.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
I refuse to bet against the Chiefs in an AFC
championship Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
And then who wins the Super Bowl Eagles, We've got
the same I've got a different year.

Speaker 5 (50:47):
I refuse, And and and you're gonna have people that
are gonna come out and say this is Lamar's year,
and and this is the Bills year. And I'm not
gonna be the guy that's going to tell you it's
a lock. But I'm gonna be the guy that tells
you there's Probabill be about a ninety percent chance at
whatever quarterback you like to beat Mahomes, he's probably not
going to beat him.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
My guarantee. Before we take a break and go to
the second hour. It is not Josh Allen's year. It's
not Josh Allens ty that defense gave up forty four
to the Rams.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Does that mean you, wait, my Super Bowl? Mark?

Speaker 2 (51:22):
What's up?

Speaker 5 (51:23):
Does that mean as far as getting to the Super
getting or beating La Mark?

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Okay, getting there?

Speaker 5 (51:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (51:28):
I don't think that's a good tease, because wait till
you hear my Super Bowl Mark.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I know everyone's picking the Bills. The Bills are the
most popular. They might be favored over the Chiefs. Am
I wrong?

Speaker 5 (51:38):
And yeah at home a real quick no, no, no, I'm
saying the future market, so I know the Lions are first.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I thought the Bills and Chiefs were like neck and neck.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
It's hard to believe because the Chief says the easier.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
Packer Bowl is Lions plus two ninety five is the favorite.
The Chiefs are plus three fifty, Ravens plus five to fifty,
Bills six fifty, and the Eagles are seven to one.
And the next scene is the Vikings at fifteen to one.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
What's what's the Eagles number? There? Eagles is seven.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
One, which is so disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
By the way, that probably means they're plus three to
fifty plus four hundred to win the NFC. If they
beat the Packers and that number is above plus two hundred,
I will be placing a nuke on the Eagles to
win the NFC going into the second round. That was
for that was for the Super Bowl. No, I know,
I was guessing. I cut it in half. Probably around three.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
Fifty to Eagles are plus three to twenty right now
to win the NFC.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, I bet that probably goes to two hundred if
they win the game. Luke, you were too kind. Gave
us the whole hour. Awesome, awesome stuff, all things MLB.
Go and follow Luke. Hopefully we have some Phillies hot
stove news coming down the pike. Here. I'm getting bored,
I hope. So I'm getting real bored the last few weeks.
You and Paul George. Not sure if you saw that.
Paul George is bored. Paul George and lucarkany basketball again.

(53:00):
That's gonna do it for the first hour, second hour,
we got. We got our guy Beef coming in to
talk all things NFL, talk, all things Ohio State Texas,
and all things college football. Champion back after this on
Fox Sports again

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Spreads totals and all the prop that's in the tweens,
it's the gambler