December 7, 2024 • 43 mins
Mark Henry Jr. and Sean Barnard talk #Lions-#Packers #TNF result and what it means for the #Eagles, #CollegeFootball #ChampionshipWeekend, #Sixers, and more.
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Speaker 3 (01:15):
One.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
You just heard me and Joe Tanzy going over some
of the college football playoff scenarios based around all the
games for college football Saturday. Obviously you have Arizona State,
Iowa State winning in SMU, Clemson winning in for both teams,
and maybe you'll still get in if you're SMU as
we discussed, and then you have the two big dogs.
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You have Oregon Penn State and Georgia Texas, which is
almost like a almost like a parlay. You look at
it like that's gonna the one and two seed will
be determined by whatever the parlay of winners is in
those two games. So I almost feel like you have
to look at them as a as a pair there.
But let's turn the page.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Let's move.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Actually, before before we turn the page, I want to
turn it over to Sean Bernard. This is not what'll
be expected to start out with. But is there any
takes about this whole College Boall playoff, the twelve team,
the ranking, Alabama SMU, anything you want to get off
your chest?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
More flags? Mark Henry Junior.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Biggest message for me, I want planting the flag everywhere board.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
That's what I'm in on.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
But no, as far as kind of the ranking is
the outlook from here, I will say straight up embarrassing
from Ohio State last week. One of the most embarrassing
losses that I can remember in my entire lifetime across
all sports.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
To just get dog walked by that.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
But the team that continually gets the better of you
when you're the far superior roster. So definitely the most
shocking I guess outcome of the weekend here. I think
things have mostly played themselves out. Like it doesn't feel
quite as controversial as I was kind of worried is
gonna be the case. Obviously, there's still plenty of games
that are set to take place this week and this
will really decide things. But I'm not up in arms
over anything the way that I kind of was worried
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things could play out the direction. So mostly I do
think the college football landscape has sorted itself out.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
And I'll ask you one question before we move on
about SMU and Bama. Let's say SMU, let's say they
lose by ten. Let's say it's a pretty close game,
the competitive the whole time, and they lose by ten,
but it's not a come down to the last play,
win it at the gun, lose on a game winning
field goal or touchdown type play. Do you think SMU
should still get in the tournament over Alabama? Or do
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you think?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I heard Sean Brace say, and it's kind of stuck
with me. You know your SMU, this is your playoff game.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Yeah, there's a part of me that certainly feels that way.
I think I lean towards them getting rewarded. I mean,
three losses is three losses for Alabama, There's no way
around that, including like the Vanderbilt loss, and as much
as I love Diego Pavia, like, that's not one worse.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah yeah, also true.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
So like I guess I lean towards SMU if they
put If they put forth a good performance this week
and look like a respectable football program, I think they
end up in that college football playoff. I do think
the standard for Alabama like to play the other side
of the coin there. The standard for Alabama should be
higher than what they've played to to this point. I'm
still not certain Jalen Milroe can be a national champion quarterback.
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That's been fun a two up and down throughout this season.
So I've been underwhelmed with what I've saw what I've
seen from the Crimson die I think SMU has made
the most of the moment, and I think if things
play out at least that they're in the ballpark of
this game this week, they end up in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think it comes down to the point differential. I
think if it's a one possession game, comes down to
the end. I think SMU will still get in with
the loss. Think anything beyond that, we get BAMA and
I kind of just don't have I feel a sway,
a lot a lot about the bracket. When the bracket
comes out for college basketball, for the tournament, you always
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have you know, the Gary Parish, Matt and Orlander podcasts
and the Mark Tightest podcast of the world crying for
sixty five and sixty six or whoever got left out.
There's couple teams on the bubble, and I always feel
like once I get the bracket in my hand, those
teams on the bubble exit my brain. I'm not thinking
about this team shouldn't be in. This team should be
and I have a bracket, I have games to be
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excited about, and I feel kind of the same way
about this.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I see both sides.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Like SMU one loss early in the year happened to
a BYU team that happens to be very good at
a ten to two year Obviously, BAMA two bad losses.
BAMA does have a really good win against Georgia that
is like head and shoulders above anything that SMU accomplished
this year. So I see both sides, I'm kind of
not passionate about it. So I have a feeling whatever
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side gets screwed is gonna be really loud about them
getting screwed, and I'm gonna fully heal turn against whatever
side that is. That's kind of what I'm kind of
expecting that because I do think like the pre crime
for SMU is annoying. It's like, you have your chance,
Like Clemson is not that good, so go be Clumson
if you're a playoff team. But we'll find all that out.
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And obviously you just heard me and Tansy go over
all that stuff in the first hour of the show
on The Big Brain Show. So let's shift gears and
let's head over to the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Let's talk a little and f.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Ellen before we get to the fourteen I think, yeah,
before we get to the week fourteen preview we had
for anyone who's listening on Saturday. We are recording this
on Friday. So last night's game between the Detroit Lions
Greenway Packers one of the bigger Thursday night football games.
I'd say, ever, given the stakes that you know, at,
given the point of the season that we're at, when
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these two teams are facing off. I'd say it was
at least one of the more anticipated Thursday night games ever,
it was the most anticipated of the prime.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Video era for that.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
But I I have a little bit to get off
my chest here about last night's game. Was kind of
about the Eagles fandas let a fly. Way too many
people were watching last night's game rooting on their parlays
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and their props and their bets, their Laporta touchdowns, their
moan Ras, their Gibbs, their Montgomery, their whatever you want
to say. Their Tim Patrick to score two plus touchdowns.
Shout out to Tansey, what a bet. But I I
think we've gotten a little bit removed from why we
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follow sports in the first place. Like sports is supposed
to be fun, and we're rooting for our favorite teams
to accomplish their goals of that season, and this season
with the Eagles, that goal is winning goddamn Super Bowl.
I don't even know if I'm able to say that
on the air. Might have to bleep that out, but
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I meant to say, gosh darn, and it just came out.
That's the first time I cursed on the show. But
I I just don't understand how people didn't realize how
important last night's game was for the Eagles. If the
Lions lose that game, the Eagles went on Sunday. The
Eagles are in first place in the NFC, holding the
tie breaker, holding the keys, and controlling their own destiny
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to be the one seed in the NFC. But because
the Detroit won that game, they now have to lose
two games instead of just one. Green Bay was our
one chance that them needing to lose just one game.
Now we need them to lose two, which probably is
less than a fifteen percent chance of happening. That's not
even taking into consideration the Eagles finishing four to h
In my opinion, rest of the Eagle season's over. Doesn't matter.
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The next four games do not matter. They're the two seed,
they will be the two seed, they'll win the division.
You know, it matters to the people who care about
Saquon's nonsense MVP case, but it's outside of that. They
can't get the one seed. Now it's over. Last night
was your chance and seeing everybody in the group chat
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rooting on the Lions talking about how much they love
Dan Campbell, talking about how much they love Ben Jonson
drove me insane. I can't lie. I was raging at
the group chat. Didn't even text in it until this morning.
But what's the point of any of this? What's the
point of any of this? If we're betting against our
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room interest, we're betting against the things that would have
a great impact. And of course the rebuttal is, well,
I don't care where we played Detroit.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
We could win either way, we could go on the road.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
The heart response that you get in the group chat.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Guess what Jared Goff is about. Sixty percent is.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Good when he's playing outside as when he's playing inside.
Ken the Eagles win in Detroit, absolutely. My rebuttal to
that is, I don't think Detroit can win in Philadelphia.
So I think last night was a massive, massive moment
in the NFC, a massive moment for the Eagles and
the biggest non Eagles result we will get all season long.
But you know, I'm glad some people cash their parlays.
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I just think, and this is the whole other thing.
Parlay culture's out of control. We're out of I don't
care about your plus eight billion parlay when it comes
one leg short, when you have over two and a
half tackles and assistant tackles in your parlay hold bit, I.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Don't need to see it. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And then on the other end of things, the people
who tweet out the you know, the lottery ticket parlays
that win, how about you tweet out the twenty five
that you placed that day that didn't come close, didn't
sniff coming close. And that's I'm starting to get a
I'm starting to get a little pessimistic about it. And
maybe it's because and I said it in the group
chat when we were arguing about it. Maybe I'm able
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to look at that because I'm not much of a
props guy. So I'm able to take a big game
last night that has a big impact on the Eagles
season and root for the Green Bay Packers. And by
the way, I fully believed that the Packers could win
that game. I fully believed they were going to cover
that game. And they did cover that game. So I
cashed a bet while rooting on my rooting interests. You
won't catch me on this show giving out picks against
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the Eagles. You won't catch me on the show suggesting
player props against the Eagles. You won't catch me in
the show suggesting.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
DFS guys against the Eagles, because I don't think that's
the point of any of this. I really don't.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Yeah, So to start off with kind of the bigger
picture conversation, I absolutely I don't think there's an argument
against the fact that like we've been watered down as
sports fans with all the different areas of getting in,
the betting angles, the fantasy football implications, all these type
of things make you view sports differently, There's no doubt
about it. And I do think that there is not
the same like dying loyalty that you kind of hope
for in a fan base. And for what it's worth,
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Philadelphia has been excellent at throughout all the years here,
I personally feel those frustrations, particularly in the Sixers world,
where it is the constant like pessimistic outlook. And look,
if you want to say this team is not gonna
win the championship, you're gonna be right twenty nine out
of thirty times or thirty one out of thirty two times,
depending on the league.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
There you're gonna nail it on that one.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
So there's for sure, like this I guess lack of
like undying belief that I think we will all kind
of wish was the case there now to talk a
little bit more directly about this specific case with this
Eagles team, the Lion situation, I guess I personally look
at it. I absolutely hear you on the implications the
Jared Goff situation is a real deal factor. You're one
hundred percent right about this. I think this Lions team
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is more flawed than I think a lot of people
are making it out to believe they're a very good
football team. There's no doubt about that. For from the
Eagles perspective, I do view this entirely as it's on
them internally to be ready to play wherever and whenever
that is.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Now.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Do I wish they lost that game last night? Absolutely,
I wish the Packers won that game. I wish that
it did create an easier pathway to them getting the
one seed. But I think the reality is in my
mind that I always feel it's a little bit of
a loser's mindset to be looking at matchups or looking
about situations. Just control what you can control win your games,
and that's exactly what the Eagles are doing. So I'm
feeling like this Eagles team is peaking at the right time,
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and if that means we have to go into Detroit
to play them at their field, it is what it is,
is kind of how I view that.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, and I'm not arguing against that. I'm saying everybody
should have been, like the focus should have been the
Green Bay Packers winning last night, not your jimior Gibbs
parlay or your David Montgomery parlay or your Tucker Craft
or your Sam Laporta. And you know, And maybe I'm
a fraud for saying all that. I know Beef and
Sean Brace and Luke Rcaney all think I am. But
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that's what I think, Like, you won't catch I think
far too many people do this, and we think we
have to be this like journalistic integrity thing where it's, oh,
I will never be a Homer, I will never be
biased to the point where I think John Jansen actively
roots against the Eagles so he can tweet negative things
about Jail and Hurts and so he can whatever.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
That's a whole other topic, but I really really.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Go I do think that you you nailed it with
kind of the betting, kind of killing a lot of
the loyalty and the die hard stuff of sports fandom,
and I don't know if there's anything like I love gambling,
I'm not. I bet on the Commanders a couple of
weeks ago when we were in a division race. But
I just think that sometimes it's good to take a
step back, and I think that's a lot of what
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I'm doing this weekend. Like this weekend, I'm kind of
focusing on Notre Dame. I'm focusing on my fantasy teams
that are trying to fight to get into playoff games,
and I'm focusing on whatever helps the eas.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yeah, yeah, and that's good approach. I do think it's
kind of sad that that is the state of sports.
It is what it is with that situation. We obviously
though you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube
for where we're at on kind of how I guess
how many options there are for viewing sports and being
involved in all those type of things.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
So this is the world that we all created here.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
I can't be mad about it, but it is kind
of sad when I could take the larger, the longer
scope of like I don't think there is as much
fandom as used to be the case, or this dying
loyalty to your teams, and I mean that's not the
only reason for that. I would point to social media
as players becoming people more of a I guess a
favorite player motivates you more than a team. I think
that's more common than ever before. So there's a ton
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of reasons why that is the case. The reality is
sports are still sports, man, They're awesome, and I'm gonna
enjoy them in every single way possible.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, and I'm glad I was able to
vent a little bit. I'm sure you know, we'll see
if anybody of the people I called out heard it.
But I said exactly what I said in the group chat,
and I just don't understand how people I think that
there's still a little bit of the whole Lions thing.
People look at the Lions as this cute, likable team
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that they've won a lot of money gambling on over
the last two years, and not the team that stands
in the Eagles way to go win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
And I hear that's the problem.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
If Nick Sirianni made that call to go for that
fourth down last night, imagine the reaction here.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
John Jansen would have won. And I'm dead but John
Jansen instead sweets about how much he loves Dan Campbell's
seven times throughout the night, and good on Dan Campbell
for you know he made he made the call at
the end and they won.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
He also made the same.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Call an hour before and it didn't didn't hit. You know,
they went for an on fourth and one on the thirty.
It allowed Green Bay to score a touchdown right away,
So that could have been the reason they lost the game.
But because they won the game, you look at their Yeah,
it's just people play results far too often with that.
Dan Campbell's a good coach. I think for sure. The
story with the Lions is not Dan Campbell. The story
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with the Lions is how good the Lions are and
Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn being two of the best
coordinators in the sport. Dan Campbell's you know, he's he's
doing a good job. You can't point and say he's not.
They're twelve and one. I think that it's smart to
be aggressive instead of conservative. But you know, if he
lost a couple games, even if he did justice good
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of a job, we'd be killing him because of the
decisions if they didn't work. So the way we cover
fourth down decisions and all that stuff is so stupid
in my opinion. And I've been very clear, like I
have specific situations that I think you should go for it.
And if you're within the five and it's fourth and goal,
you go for it. If it's ye're up seven and
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you can kick an extra point to go up eight,
or you go for two to go up nine. I
go for two to make it a two possession game.
There's these little strategic points that I care about, but
so many people just play whatever the result is. Let's
move on and let's talk about some of the Week
fourteen games, and let's start with the Eagles and the Panthers.
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We have Eagles Panthers twelve and a half point favorite here,
maybe thirteen depending on when you're looking here. Yeah, but yeah,
thirteen I'm seeing now I wrote it down. It's twelve
and a half. But thirteen now big number. I hate
laying big numbers, especially in the NFL. But what I
did do on a you know, no free ads for
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the gambling app, but I got Jalen Hurts and Eagles
money line Jialen Hurts touchdown Eagles money line minus one twenty,
where that's minus one forty five minus won fifty on
some books. I was able to find a book no
free ads that you could parlay that. Go check out
the Twitter for that, and that's what I'm going with.
Jalen Hurts touchdowns at minus one sixty three to minus
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one eighty five, depending on what book you're looking at,
and I still want to bet it. I still think
he scores. You know, it's just a statistical thing where
you know he's more than likely not going, he's more
likely than not going to score a touchdown. And obviously
the Eagles being a thirteen point favorite, I'm extremely confident
they win the game. That's what I'm going with.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Yeah, I think that's a good way to go about it,
and I won't lie. I do think the number feels
a little bit steep to me. I get the Carolina
Panthers have been about as bad as it comes, and
I wouldn't say that because there's obviously other teams around
the league that I think have less of a pulse
than them. But I think Bryce Young is playing some
good football, that these are important games for him that
he's not taking for granted. I don't think that the
Eagle is going to be in danger of losing this
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game by any means, But it would not shock me
whatsoever if there is some sort of backdoor cover or
that late in the game Bryce Young is able to
throw a touchdown in that kind of interrupts the spread
and it ends like a ten point victory or something
like that. So the twelve and a half or thirteen
does scare me a bit there. I think is very
smart the way you went about the Jalen Hurts anytime
touchdown and money line, that probably is the way to go.
But I will say my favorite prop for this specific
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game Saquon Barkley over one eleven point five rushing guards,
super super high number. I think that's the highest I
can remember ever seeing a rushing prop there. But Carolina's
rush defense is brutal. If there is any motivation from
Saquon Barkley to actually chase this record, we're gonna find
out this week. I think that's what ends up happening.
I think he gets two long rushing touchdowns where he's
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able to break free flirt with two hundred yards on
the day, and I think you pretty comfortably clear is
the one eleven and a half. So he obviously gets
the ball a Ton. This is a situation where the
Eagles are still more than using him at this point
in the season. So I think he lays it on
pretty thick and it is in rain to breaking that
record after this week's game.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, No, It'll be really fun in Week eighteen when
we have the two seed locked up and we go
out and play Taquon in the offensive line and you know,
an offensive line and breaks an ankle because of a
meaningless record.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I put it out there.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
It's what's going to happen out there. They are they
are going to get to a Week eighteen where Seikwon
needs yards to break the record. It is going to
be an obvious sit spot and the entire fan base
is going to riot because Saquon Barkley has become Paul
Bunyan in the way that everything he does is mythical
and we need him to be the MVP, which is
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such a ridiculous conversation. Guess what, Josh Jacobs, Saquon Barkley
and UH and Derrick Henry, Derrick Henry. Last year, the
teams that they joined at this point of the year
had thirty three wins. How many How many do they
have this year?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Thirty five thirty five, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Two more wins. The teams that they left have the
exact same amount of wins as they had last year.
With those three players, It's almost like a running back
is a product of the system that's around them. I
can't believe I'm saying that out loud. It's almost like
it's been an accepted fact for a decade. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Saquon Barkley is the best pr.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Team in the history of sports. You know, Sean brace
is tweeting about his Olympic sprinting thing from high school
where he gave someone a medal. He's the best running
back in the sport, right, Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Need to say more than that. We don't talking about
his high school.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Medals that he gave away and talking about like how
great of a guy is when he gives away, when
he asks for the backup to get carries at the
end of the whatever. I just think a little bit
of the way Saquan's covered is unlike any athlete I've
ever seen in the history of Philadelphia sports. And I
think the way he's covered absolutely demeans Jalen Hurts. It
demeans Howie Roseman, It demeans the entire roster, because this
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team is not good because of a running back. This
team has been good long before Saquon Barkley was an Eagle.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah, I mean you're right about that for sure.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
The only thing what I think it is with Saquon
the situation is this dude is legitimately like a generational
running back, like talent, like the athleticism, the combination of
skills that he has, the freak athlete that he is,
and he was just buried on a nothing organization for
every year of his career up until this point. I think,
really what this push is and what it is why
he's in the limelight the way that he is is
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he is now on a winning team. He is not
responsible for that solely, but he has absolutely raised the
ceiling of this team to a spot where it wasn't
before and we're getting seeing him get the shine because
of that.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
So I get the frustrations.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
I certainly hear you on the meaning to Jalen, and
it's kind of still crazy to me the way Jalen
gets talked about and Howwie Roseman. I mean, they're across
the board an excellent football team in just about every
single positional category, so get the credit there. But I
think that's more of what it is is he stepped
out of the Giants, he stepped into a winning organization
and kind of getting more love because of it.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, hey, take it from John Jansen. Saquon helps, Jalen hurts.
Jalen Hurts doesn't help Saquon. I don't know why you
would ever suggest that a running back who's third and
rushing among quarterbacks, would who who's on pace for like
six or seven hundred rushing yards this year, would help
a running back. It's almost like a defense would have
to maybe account for a quarterback who can run. I
know that that's a crazy thought to John Jansen, who
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acted like I was gaslighting him on Twitter, Well, I'm
fired up about arguments coming into today here obviously, but
I uh yeah, I just think that the way that
this MVP conversation is being covered is the proof I
need that I've muted MVP from my timeline. I think
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that it's a meaningless conversation now. Used to be based
on stats and merit. Now it's based on Twitter and narratives,
and the fact that Josh Allen, who I like, I'm
fine Josh Allen is worlds more deserving to an MVP
Saquon Barkley, But Josh Allen's fifteenth in passing in passing yards,
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It's almost like it. Man, you know, if there was
a guy out there, I don't know if this exists,
but if there was a guy who was second in
passing yards, second in passing touchdowns, only had three interceptions,
was leading a winning team who was also leading the
league in passer rating and QBR and air yards per
attempt while also being on pace to rush for about
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nine hundred yards from the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Oh wait, we do have that guy.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And he's a two time MVP, and he's having the
best year of his career, and he's ten to one
to win the award.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That's all I need to hear.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It's all I need to see the MVP awards broken,
it's done, it's cooked. I don't want to hear about
it the rest of the year, and all I'll hear
about is the MVP because Eagles fans are Saquon Barkley
fans over Eagles fans at this point. If judging Twitter
is the way I'm judging Twitter, I'm the rants.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
But no, I like you, I will say, don't always
take Twitter as the general consensus.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I think that gets inflating.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Yeah, for sure, I'm a Lamar guy as well that
I think he's playing very clearly the best football of
his career. He's been straight up amazing this year, in
my mind, the best season of his career. Who and
already a two time MVP. The immediate pushback you'll get
back on that one is the eight and five record,
And you can kind of have your opinion for how
much you weigh that, but I as far as like
the why, that's kind of what I think the immediate
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pushback will be.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
To that argument.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
The Ravens have lost games by two, two, three, five,
and seven. They've lost their five.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Goal foot half the foot against the Chiefs although half, but.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
They've lost the five games by twenty two points. Justin
Tucker has missed twenty two points of kicks in those
seven in those five games.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Insane.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
That's not Lamar Jackson's fell or by the way, to
throw another in the mix here, if the Cincinnati Bengals
have a winning record at this stage of the season,
I guarantee Joe Burrows get in these same exact conversations
and like not his fault either.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Part of the weird thing with that is his numbers actually,
like they probably wouldn't be as good if the defense
wasn't as bad because he's growing so much from behind
and people don't want to hear that. I'm not taking
away from what Burrow's doing. For a long time, I
did the whole Mahomes Lamar Allen as their own top
three burrows in that like Burrow's four I think pretty
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clearly now. So even though they're four and eight, I'm
willing to give him a lot of credit for this year.
But I do think the numbers would be worse if
they were better. But yeah, to me, honestly, just fully honestly,
and I get that I have a Lamar eighteen to
one ticket. Like just running through the numbers, like Lamar
beat Josh Allen head to head, Lamar's thirty three hundred
pass yards, Josh Allena is six hundred less. Josh Allen
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has nine less touchdowns, more interceptions, less rushing yards, a
worse fascerrating, a worse QBR, and lost to Lamar. So
we're doing everything. Having touchdown, he does have a receiving
touchdown that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Let's let's move on.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And I hate everyone thinks I like hate Saquon Barkley.
I'm an Eagles fan. I will I root every time
he breaks the every time he breaks the you know
why am I struggling the line of scrimmage and goes
on a long run. I'm jumping up and down and
running all over my apartment or wherever I'm at. And
people who watch the Eagles game can tell you that.
With me on last Sunday at the at the bar,
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we were watching it as the gambler. But that doesn't
mean it.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Oh, we got a little Mark dropout situation, so filling
in for the time being. Is his wheel spin on
this and had a little bit of a Wi Fi
issue leading up to things, So my guess is that
is the case there. But to pick up a little
bit and put a bow on kind of the Saquon
MVP conversations, I do think that Mark is overly riled
up with kind of the general Twitter consensus when that
is not the public consensus. I'll say that we do
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have Mark joining back on on this side of things now,
So taping right back in, I'll throw it back to
you right where you pick up where right where you
left off there.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, I do want to move on. We have to
get to the other games. You only got fifteen minutes
left to cover all the games. And I don't have
a lot of bets this week, to be honest with you,
I only have a that I like, and you know
it's it's a weird week. I think on both football slates,
whether it be for college football or NFL, I will
mention the one. Let's talk about the one game, and
it's a crappy game. Why are the Jags of four
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point doll at Tennessee? I know Mac Jones is in,
Trevor Lawrence is out.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
That just's okay.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Last week he only loved Houston by three, He played
okay down the stretch. Tennessee's terrible.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, Tennessee is terrible there.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
The Will Levis and Mac Jones combination here is gonna
be pretty electric to watch. I think we're in store
for quite a few turnovers. I think it's gonna be
a messy football game. The over understanding at forty here,
I do lean towards the under on that side of things,
but I don't think the Jaguars taking a chance on
the money line is a bad swing here that to me,
this is pretty much a straight up crapshoot of a game.
There's still the people down in Jacksonville have playing to
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play for. It does feel like that they're cleaning house
pretty much regardless out of the season wraps up, but
you're still playing for future career opportunities. All these guys
have something to prove, from players, coaches to everything in
between there. So I think jackson was going to do
their best to bring it to me. I think it
feels like an absolute crapshoot. Take the plus one forty
on the money line and have some fun with it.
It's kind of my outlook.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, I'm taking Jacksonville. I'm not confident in it. It's
one of my one unit two unit bet but I'll
be on Jacksonville next. I don't have a bet on
any of the other one o'clock games, but we'll mention.
I'm here Minnesota Atlanta obviously Minnesota big favorite. Kirk Cousins
revenge game. Kirk Cousins looks cooked right now. There were
some outs last week that he couldn't drive the ball
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through to get it all the way there. It's pretty
ugly stuff, so I'm gonna. I think Minnesota wins the game.
I wouldn't be laying points with Minnesota. I think they're
a massive fraud who should have lost last week and
got lucky, but they probably win the game.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Yeah, I like the plus five and a half for
that very reason that I do think Minnesota is showing
a little bit of the holes that they have and
I don't believe them as a true contender there. The
Kirk physical stuff man is concerning, like like the three
interceptions last week, and all three of them were pretty bad,
Like they weren't these like dumb luck ones where things
go wrong, Well, they were bad rees that were him
zeroed in and him physically not being able to deliver
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the ball where it needs to be. So I know
Michael Penix is lingering over the shoulders. I'm curious we
see any action with Penis on the field. I feel
like they don't have much to lose at this stage
of the season. They'll make things even more interesting moving forward.
But I'm I guess the least optimistic about the outlook
of Kirk Cousins as I've been in like ten years
at this point.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, No, I totally agree. Let's go rapid fire on
these other games we have Vegas at Tampa Bay. I
think Tampa's like a seven. I don't have the lines
right in front of me anymore because my technology issues
going on here, But I think Tampa wins this game.
I'm not laying a big number with Tampa after what
I saw last week. Didn't like how I look. I
didn't like how their defense looked at all. Do I
think aid O'Connell picks them the part? Probably not. Tampa
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may be a good money line to use, maybe a
good survivor pick to use, but I wouldn't be laying it.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Yeah, six and a half the spread here, I don't.
I'm pretty out on Tampa from the outlook. I like
them early on in the season, but injuries have caught
up and it just feels like the team's fading a
little bit there. I do lean towards the plus six
and a half in favor of the Raiders here. They've
looked a little better of late, but this is still
kind of a crapshoot of a game to me, so
lean the plus six and a half.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
But I do think tam Beggott's the win.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, I agree with you there, Cleveland at Pittsburgh. What's
the line on that one. I think it's six and
a half.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Yep, six and a half as well minus two seventy
on the money line.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, normally I would look at Cleveland because I do
think Pittsburgh lets up in these kind of spots. But
they just lost to Cleveland home game. You have to
think they come and fired.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Up Jameis Winston.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Man, I'm still not over that Monday Night of just
the all time Jameis Winston performances.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
He's gonna make it.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
An electric he's gonna make it entertaining, but the holes
are still there. I think the turnover issue show face
and that kind of buries them there. Pittsburgh is a
good team, man, I'm buying into what they're selling there.
I think they covered the minus six and a half
and I think that shake up that they already had
by Cleveland it's gonna be fresh on their mind.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
So yeah, I've lay the points with Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, I I don't the Pittsburgh thing is so weird.
I still don't think they can win a super Bowl. No,
that's that's where that's kind of where I I think
I've probably not given them enough credit. But I still
don't think that they can win a Super Bowl. So
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it's a weird. It's a weird thing. And then with Cleveland,
I didn't watch them Monday night games. Sometimes when you're married,
you've gotta you've got to devote, devote knights, devote knights
to the to the wife movie. Yeah. Absolutely, So you know,
you think you're safe skipping Cleveland Denver, especially when you
don't have a bet on the game, and then it
turns out to be you know, the Jamis four ninety
seven yard game.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
It's credible, awesome.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
I love Jamis, but and shout out to the post game,
I'm praying to the Lord for the Lord to relieve
me of pick six.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Deliver me from it is unbelievable, unbelievable. He's the best
the New York Jets at the Miami Dolphins. By the way,
Jamis should absolutely be a starter next year.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
It's a joke.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Some of these bottom bottom five quarterbacks you get a
shot over Jamis. He should act.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Yeah, you'll at least have fun. Man, it'll be watchable,
you know, And.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I always say it, but the last time he played
like six or seven games at the start of a
year with Sean Payton before he got hurt. The one
year Sean Payton got really good football out of Gamis.
It was only like three or four years ago now.
But the last game of the one o'clock's the New
York Giants at the New Orleans Saints. I do not
want to see a second of this game. I don't
want to see red zone show this game. I don't
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want to be at a bar playing this game on
one of the TVs. Don't tell me anything that happens.
I never want to find out anything that happens in
this game.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah, dropping under forty one bet and stay away from
this game in Tatley. He's basically my advice here. It's
gonna be ugly football, notworth watching whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I totally agree the Late Afternoons Slate. You have a
rematch of a couple of weeks ago Seattle at Arizona.
I want to bet Arizona. I believe in Arizona, but
I'm staying away. This is kind of like the I
think there's some value on the Seahawks plus one seventy
to win. Now, just considering the fact you have a
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win on Arizona, you're up a game on the Rams,
and I think we all think San Franz cooked. So yeah,
so I think you have Seattle seven to five, San
France two behind them. You're a win ahead of Arizona,
who you'd beat. You're a win ahead of the Rams,
who I don't think are very good. So I do
think plus one seventy might be worth a look for Seattle.
(33:19):
But I also think Arizona could win this game and
Seattle still win the division, they would be tied, Seattle
would still have the tiebreaker. Like that's kind of why,
Like I'm struggling really badly because I kind of think
Arizona wins this game, kind of want to bet Arizona
also kind of want to bet that division number probably
gonna end up betting neither.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I guess, like I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I can't figure out what to do here.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Yeah, I mean, I'll start was saying I was ready
to clare Seattle dead a couple of weeks ago, and
they've now won three straight and it seems a little
bit of life again that this team looks like they're
back in the mix for sure. This divisional race is
probably the most interesting across all of football. To me,
I do still kind of feel that Arizona's a better
football team, and then being at home like gives them
the clean slate. Here their defense is kind of faded
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in recent weeks and their offense performance way better at home,
which is something to note heading into this one. But
ultimately here like Seattle kind of has that look a
little bit more than I thought they were gonna be
able to. So I'm this is what I'll stay completely
away from, probably the game I'm most interested in, but
don't have a passionate play on either side.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
If I gave you over under a half of a team,
so just one team is the over do the NFC
West or NFC South winners win a game in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I would say yes to that.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I think, I think, I lean though, Okay, I think
we're gonna get Minnesota and green Bay being those teams.
I don't even think Minnesota is that good though, so
now Minnesota could easily lose to one of those teams.
I do think green Bay is absolutely gonna beat any
of those teams Arizona, Seattle, Atlanta, Tampa, But Minnesota, I
guess is the is the question mark a game that
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one of the games, the only games of the week
that I have a real take on the Rams at Buffalo.
I love Buffalo here, especially in LA. I actually kind
of like it better that it's in LA because if
it was in Buffalo, they'd be seven eight nine point favorites.
And with it being in LA you get a little
bit of a discount. But that stadium is gonna be
sixty seventy percent Bills fans. It's gonna be a lot
of Bills fans making the trip out of Hollywood to
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see their team in so far. So I like the
Bills laying the number, And usually I don't have this
in the number right in front of me. When Josh
Allen wins games, he generally wins them by a lot
of points. It's kind of like a Buffalo Bill's trope
over the Josh Allen era. So I don't have a
problem laying the points. But I did decide early in
the week. I liked the Chiefs minus three and a
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half at the Chargers on Sunday night, I decided to
parlay these money lines together, Bill's money line, Chiefs money line.
I think you can get like plus one seventy five
ish if you parlay those money lines together. That's what
I'm going for So I will be betting the Bills,
but my main bet here will be Bill's Chiefs money line.
Both teams trying to keep pace for that one seed.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yeah like that there, I am all over Buffalo for
this one.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I think minus three and a half is an awesome
spread to pay there.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I stack down to three and a half.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Three and a half crash, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Spended three and a half, got up to like five. Wow,
and I didn't know that it went back down.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
That's good to hear.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Yeah, that's what I'm seeing on DraftKings as of now.
I also got a stat free mark Henry Junior. So
the Bills ranked second in a percentage of drives scoring
the football. What percentage would you guess that is?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Hm?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
What is it? Well, it's forty nine point two percent. Yeah,
pretty good.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Pretty impressive stuff there, and their defense kind of playing
better too, So I kind of think the Rams had
a little bit of a vibe of maybe they still
got some life in them. I think unfortunately Matt Stafford's fading.
There's not enough talents kind of surrounding him there. I
think the Bills roll house here.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I agree with you. Also, for anybody watching you, you're
getting to see a full Becky cam today. Becky was
not being a good podcast pub so she has to
She's punished by sitting on my lap the rest of
the show. But Chicago at San fran the last game
of the Sunday So I guess before the Sunday night
football game, the last game of the Sunday Slate, I
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am talking myself in more and more to maybe this
being my best bet of the week. This is is
a coach fired game, and no one's talking about it
as that, Like I feel like every time he coach
could fire. Maybe it's because it happened on Thanksgiving, happened
on Thursday, it's like eleven days. People kind of forget
that they could have fire the coach.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
And such a disaster's loss too, like not a disaster.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
And a situation where we know the team hated the coach,
like we had that report come out that Jalen Johnson
and some of the other guys screamed at him in
the locker room after to the point where he just
walked out. So I think that that kind of shows
this like leadership capabilities. I'd say, yeah, but I kind
of love the Bears lay in the points here or
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given the points here, I would lean money line as well.
Where is this number at for you on DraftKings?
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Three and a half on the spread plus one fifty
four on the money line for Chicago.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I am generally of the opinion that I don't take
money lines unless it's unless.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
It's over, like.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Maybe, So if you're giving me anything under five and
a half points and I like the underdog, I'm almost
always just gonna take the spread. Just a philosophy of mine.
I don't even know if that's correct to do, but
I'm taking the Bears. I think they bounce back with
Thomas Brown, who seems to be kind of fired up
for this. I think he's kind of like the perfect
interim coach guy, to the point where I wonder if, like,
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if he did well down the stretch, would that be
the annoying interim conversation where then they have to get considered.
But probably not, Let's go to Chicago. I think San
France is dead dead.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Or yeah, I do as well.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
I kind of think we get that glimpse of Okay,
here's a Caleb Williams masterpiece just for this one game.
This is what we have to launch off here there's
a great opportunity to do it. So I'm on your
side of things. I truly can't believe how disasters that
like loss was last week like some of the worst
clock management and team management that I've ever seen at
the NBA or NFL level there, So rightfully that he
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was fired there. There's no way you can walk back
and bring him back for another week there. The season
has gone off the rails for the Bear several weeks ago,
so this isn't a huge shock here. But I do
think they might get a little bit of a jolt
of life from Caleb Williams and find out a win
in this one.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, I agree and Caleb. I was listening to mcshaye
talk about Caleb and he's like, I know that the
narratives out there publicly are not like people aren't in
love with this Caleb season. If you watch some of
the good games, like the second half of that game
last week, everyone's focused on the ending. This, by the way,
it's kind of bizarre. I just got this text as
we're talking, Adam Schefter bears QB. Caleb Williams is the
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NFLPA community MVP. That's pretty crazy. It's not what I
think we'ld fit in the narrative about Caleb Williams that's
out there. I think Caleb's handled all of this really
well in the media, and he's apparently talked to the
team and owned up for his part in the struggles
when Shane Waldron was fired and let a speech after
Thomas Brown was introduced as a head coach to the team.
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So I actually think it's not really the behind the
scenes stuff with Caleb that I'm worried about. I'm not
worried about anything I think Caleb's doing he had. I
think it's clear that that coaching staff is a joke
and it was a brutal situation. The O line's not
good enough. The glimpses of what you're seeing from Caleb are,
you know, pretty amazing stuff.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Still, yeah, I'm more of a Caleb skeptic than you,
for sure, but I agree with you in the assessment
that I've been over all impressed this year. I like
the way that he's handle himself with the podium kind
of some of the glimpses of leadership that we do see,
and I think the on field play for the most
part has been pretty pretty solid based on what you'd
expect from. It's clear that there's a mess. They have a
ton of issues that need to be addressed moving forward
to next year. But I my panic meter has not
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increased for Caleb Williams throughout the season by any means, And.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
They should almost definitely be seven and five right now.
Like they lost three games on a hail mary on
the worst coaching you'll ever I guess you can't give
them the win for that Bears game because they would
have tied it and went to overtime, So that's not
necessarily fair to bring that up. But losing on a
hail Mary and losing on a blocked thirty one yard
field goal is pretty unbelievable stuff. And they've done those
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three losses in the span of the last like twenty
five d's or something crazy. So man brutal year to
be a Bears fan. But I actually feel like, like
Beef had the tweet at Big Cat the other day
where he was and Big Cat had the funny sweet back,
and I'm like, oh, how the Bear's loss not making
If you're a Bears fan, I actually think you're like
happy about that game, like.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
It needed to. It motivated change, Like yes, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
It got eaber flues fired.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Caleb looked good for a good portion of it, Like
you actually lose it and helps your draft pick, like
I actually think, like I actually think that was like
a good outcome for Chicago. I already gave my take
ONKC LA. I know you're in on KC as well.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Yeah, come on, Patrick Mahlmes versus Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
What are we talking about here?
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Sport Clips client, Justin Herbert. Apparently he's warming up to me.
To those who don't know, I do work for sport
Clips as a day job for a marketing job. So
Justin Herbert helping me get the word of sport clips
out there. It's a game changer.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yeah, that did hurt.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
That did make me view him a little bit more
positively that that helped Herbert's case. My mind, I won't
lie to you, said pointed that we share Barber's There
is the way I'm gonna put that.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
But you know, he's what.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
It is, last game of the week since the at
Dallas on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yuck.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
What a terrible game. And they probably thought it was
gonna be so good when they booked it for this game.
But we'll probably have a lot of fantasy interest for
me with a couple of big matchups, so I'm sure
I'll be tuned in. I will not be betting this game.
What I will be doing, I'm betting Jamar touchdown every week.
I haven't checked the odds yet on Jamar, but let
me turn it back over to you while I check it.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
Real fast minus won sixty five on DraftKings for never.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Mind then, so that they've officially priced that out. So
I think he had fourteen touchdowns on the year or
something like that, So that makes sense. While you're there,
what's Chase Brown's receiving prop before we head out of here?
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (42:46):
He was for receiving yards you're talking? Yeah, twenty five
and a half for Chase Brown.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Add it to my card. We bet that same number
last week and we hammered it. That's gonna do it.
For the Tough Cover radio show, we gotta we gotta
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Speaker 3 (01:15):
One.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
You just heard me and Joe Tanzy going over some
of the college football playoff scenarios based around all the
games for college football Saturday. Obviously you have Arizona State,
Iowa State winning in SMU, Clemson winning in for both teams,
and maybe you'll still get in if you're SMU as
we discussed, and then you have the two big dogs.
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You have Oregon Penn State and Georgia Texas, which is
almost like a almost like a parlay. You look at
it like that's gonna the one and two seed will
be determined by whatever the parlay of winners is in
those two games. So I almost feel like you have
to look at them as a as a pair there.
But let's turn the page.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Let's move.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Actually, before before we turn the page, I want to
turn it over to Sean Bernard. This is not what'll
be expected to start out with. But is there any
takes about this whole College Boall playoff, the twelve team,
the ranking, Alabama SMU, anything you want to get off
your chest?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
More flags? Mark Henry Junior.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Biggest message for me, I want planting the flag everywhere board.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
That's what I'm in on.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
But no, as far as kind of the ranking is
the outlook from here, I will say straight up embarrassing
from Ohio State last week. One of the most embarrassing
losses that I can remember in my entire lifetime across
all sports.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
To just get dog walked by that.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
But the team that continually gets the better of you
when you're the far superior roster. So definitely the most
shocking I guess outcome of the weekend here. I think
things have mostly played themselves out. Like it doesn't feel
quite as controversial as I was kind of worried is
gonna be the case. Obviously, there's still plenty of games
that are set to take place this week and this
will really decide things. But I'm not up in arms
over anything the way that I kind of was worried
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things could play out the direction. So mostly I do
think the college football landscape has sorted itself out.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
And I'll ask you one question before we move on
about SMU and Bama. Let's say SMU, let's say they
lose by ten. Let's say it's a pretty close game,
the competitive the whole time, and they lose by ten,
but it's not a come down to the last play,
win it at the gun, lose on a game winning
field goal or touchdown type play. Do you think SMU
should still get in the tournament over Alabama? Or do
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you think?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I heard Sean Brace say, and it's kind of stuck
with me. You know your SMU, this is your playoff game.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Yeah, there's a part of me that certainly feels that way.
I think I lean towards them getting rewarded. I mean,
three losses is three losses for Alabama, There's no way
around that, including like the Vanderbilt loss, and as much
as I love Diego Pavia, like, that's not one worse.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah yeah, also true.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
So like I guess I lean towards SMU if they
put If they put forth a good performance this week
and look like a respectable football program, I think they
end up in that college football playoff. I do think
the standard for Alabama like to play the other side
of the coin there. The standard for Alabama should be
higher than what they've played to to this point. I'm
still not certain Jalen Milroe can be a national champion quarterback.
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That's been fun a two up and down throughout this season.
So I've been underwhelmed with what I've saw what I've
seen from the Crimson die I think SMU has made
the most of the moment, and I think if things
play out at least that they're in the ballpark of
this game this week, they end up in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think it comes down to the point differential. I
think if it's a one possession game, comes down to
the end. I think SMU will still get in with
the loss. Think anything beyond that, we get BAMA and
I kind of just don't have I feel a sway,
a lot a lot about the bracket. When the bracket
comes out for college basketball, for the tournament, you always
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have you know, the Gary Parish, Matt and Orlander podcasts
and the Mark Tightest podcast of the world crying for
sixty five and sixty six or whoever got left out.
There's couple teams on the bubble, and I always feel
like once I get the bracket in my hand, those
teams on the bubble exit my brain. I'm not thinking
about this team shouldn't be in. This team should be
and I have a bracket, I have games to be
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excited about, and I feel kind of the same way
about this.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I see both sides.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Like SMU one loss early in the year happened to
a BYU team that happens to be very good at
a ten to two year Obviously, BAMA two bad losses.
BAMA does have a really good win against Georgia that
is like head and shoulders above anything that SMU accomplished
this year. So I see both sides, I'm kind of
not passionate about it. So I have a feeling whatever
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side gets screwed is gonna be really loud about them
getting screwed, and I'm gonna fully heal turn against whatever
side that is. That's kind of what I'm kind of
expecting that because I do think like the pre crime
for SMU is annoying. It's like, you have your chance,
Like Clemson is not that good, so go be Clumson
if you're a playoff team. But we'll find all that out.
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And obviously you just heard me and Tansy go over
all that stuff in the first hour of the show
on The Big Brain Show. So let's shift gears and
let's head over to the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Let's talk a little and f.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Ellen before we get to the fourteen I think, yeah,
before we get to the week fourteen preview we had
for anyone who's listening on Saturday. We are recording this
on Friday. So last night's game between the Detroit Lions
Greenway Packers one of the bigger Thursday night football games.
I'd say, ever, given the stakes that you know, at,
given the point of the season that we're at, when
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these two teams are facing off. I'd say it was
at least one of the more anticipated Thursday night games ever,
it was the most anticipated of the prime.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Video era for that.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
But I I have a little bit to get off
my chest here about last night's game. Was kind of
about the Eagles fandas let a fly. Way too many
people were watching last night's game rooting on their parlays
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and their props and their bets, their Laporta touchdowns, their
moan Ras, their Gibbs, their Montgomery, their whatever you want
to say. Their Tim Patrick to score two plus touchdowns.
Shout out to Tansey, what a bet. But I I
think we've gotten a little bit removed from why we
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follow sports in the first place. Like sports is supposed
to be fun, and we're rooting for our favorite teams
to accomplish their goals of that season, and this season
with the Eagles, that goal is winning goddamn Super Bowl.
I don't even know if I'm able to say that
on the air. Might have to bleep that out, but
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I meant to say, gosh darn, and it just came out.
That's the first time I cursed on the show. But
I I just don't understand how people didn't realize how
important last night's game was for the Eagles. If the
Lions lose that game, the Eagles went on Sunday. The
Eagles are in first place in the NFC, holding the
tie breaker, holding the keys, and controlling their own destiny
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to be the one seed in the NFC. But because
the Detroit won that game, they now have to lose
two games instead of just one. Green Bay was our
one chance that them needing to lose just one game.
Now we need them to lose two, which probably is
less than a fifteen percent chance of happening. That's not
even taking into consideration the Eagles finishing four to h
In my opinion, rest of the Eagle season's over. Doesn't matter.
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The next four games do not matter. They're the two seed,
they will be the two seed, they'll win the division.
You know, it matters to the people who care about
Saquon's nonsense MVP case, but it's outside of that. They
can't get the one seed. Now it's over. Last night
was your chance and seeing everybody in the group chat
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rooting on the Lions talking about how much they love
Dan Campbell, talking about how much they love Ben Jonson
drove me insane. I can't lie. I was raging at
the group chat. Didn't even text in it until this morning.
But what's the point of any of this? What's the
point of any of this? If we're betting against our
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room interest, we're betting against the things that would have
a great impact. And of course the rebuttal is, well,
I don't care where we played Detroit.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
We could win either way, we could go on the road.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
The heart response that you get in the group chat.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Guess what Jared Goff is about. Sixty percent is.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Good when he's playing outside as when he's playing inside.
Ken the Eagles win in Detroit, absolutely. My rebuttal to
that is, I don't think Detroit can win in Philadelphia.
So I think last night was a massive, massive moment
in the NFC, a massive moment for the Eagles and
the biggest non Eagles result we will get all season long.
But you know, I'm glad some people cash their parlays.
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I just think, and this is the whole other thing.
Parlay culture's out of control. We're out of I don't
care about your plus eight billion parlay when it comes
one leg short, when you have over two and a
half tackles and assistant tackles in your parlay hold bit, I.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Don't need to see it. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And then on the other end of things, the people
who tweet out the you know, the lottery ticket parlays
that win, how about you tweet out the twenty five
that you placed that day that didn't come close, didn't
sniff coming close. And that's I'm starting to get a
I'm starting to get a little pessimistic about it. And
maybe it's because and I said it in the group
chat when we were arguing about it. Maybe I'm able
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to look at that because I'm not much of a
props guy. So I'm able to take a big game
last night that has a big impact on the Eagles
season and root for the Green Bay Packers. And by
the way, I fully believed that the Packers could win
that game. I fully believed they were going to cover
that game. And they did cover that game. So I
cashed a bet while rooting on my rooting interests. You
won't catch me on this show giving out picks against
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the Eagles. You won't catch me on the show suggesting
player props against the Eagles. You won't catch me in
the show suggesting.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
DFS guys against the Eagles, because I don't think that's
the point of any of this. I really don't.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Yeah, So to start off with kind of the bigger
picture conversation, I absolutely I don't think there's an argument
against the fact that like we've been watered down as
sports fans with all the different areas of getting in,
the betting angles, the fantasy football implications, all these type
of things make you view sports differently, There's no doubt
about it. And I do think that there is not
the same like dying loyalty that you kind of hope
for in a fan base. And for what it's worth,
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Philadelphia has been excellent at throughout all the years here,
I personally feel those frustrations, particularly in the Sixers world,
where it is the constant like pessimistic outlook. And look,
if you want to say this team is not gonna
win the championship, you're gonna be right twenty nine out
of thirty times or thirty one out of thirty two times,
depending on the league.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
There you're gonna nail it on that one.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
So there's for sure, like this I guess lack of
like undying belief that I think we will all kind
of wish was the case there now to talk a
little bit more directly about this specific case with this
Eagles team, the Lion situation, I guess I personally look
at it. I absolutely hear you on the implications the
Jared Goff situation is a real deal factor. You're one
hundred percent right about this. I think this Lions team
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is more flawed than I think a lot of people
are making it out to believe they're a very good
football team. There's no doubt about that. For from the
Eagles perspective, I do view this entirely as it's on
them internally to be ready to play wherever and whenever
that is.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Now.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Do I wish they lost that game last night? Absolutely,
I wish the Packers won that game. I wish that
it did create an easier pathway to them getting the
one seed. But I think the reality is in my
mind that I always feel it's a little bit of
a loser's mindset to be looking at matchups or looking
about situations. Just control what you can control win your games,
and that's exactly what the Eagles are doing. So I'm
feeling like this Eagles team is peaking at the right time,
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and if that means we have to go into Detroit
to play them at their field, it is what it is,
is kind of how I view that.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, and I'm not arguing against that. I'm saying everybody
should have been, like the focus should have been the
Green Bay Packers winning last night, not your jimior Gibbs
parlay or your David Montgomery parlay or your Tucker Craft
or your Sam Laporta. And you know, And maybe I'm
a fraud for saying all that. I know Beef and
Sean Brace and Luke Rcaney all think I am. But
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that's what I think, Like, you won't catch I think
far too many people do this, and we think we
have to be this like journalistic integrity thing where it's, oh,
I will never be a Homer, I will never be
biased to the point where I think John Jansen actively
roots against the Eagles so he can tweet negative things
about Jail and Hurts and so he can whatever.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
That's a whole other topic, but I really really.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Go I do think that you you nailed it with
kind of the betting, kind of killing a lot of
the loyalty and the die hard stuff of sports fandom,
and I don't know if there's anything like I love gambling,
I'm not. I bet on the Commanders a couple of
weeks ago when we were in a division race. But
I just think that sometimes it's good to take a
step back, and I think that's a lot of what
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I'm doing this weekend. Like this weekend, I'm kind of
focusing on Notre Dame. I'm focusing on my fantasy teams
that are trying to fight to get into playoff games,
and I'm focusing on whatever helps the eas.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yeah, yeah, and that's good approach. I do think it's
kind of sad that that is the state of sports.
It is what it is with that situation. We obviously
though you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube
for where we're at on kind of how I guess
how many options there are for viewing sports and being
involved in all those type of things.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
So this is the world that we all created here.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
I can't be mad about it, but it is kind
of sad when I could take the larger, the longer
scope of like I don't think there is as much
fandom as used to be the case, or this dying
loyalty to your teams, and I mean that's not the
only reason for that. I would point to social media
as players becoming people more of a I guess a
favorite player motivates you more than a team. I think
that's more common than ever before. So there's a ton
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of reasons why that is the case. The reality is
sports are still sports, man, They're awesome, and I'm gonna
enjoy them in every single way possible.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, and I'm glad I was able to
vent a little bit. I'm sure you know, we'll see
if anybody of the people I called out heard it.
But I said exactly what I said in the group chat,
and I just don't understand how people I think that
there's still a little bit of the whole Lions thing.
People look at the Lions as this cute, likable team
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that they've won a lot of money gambling on over
the last two years, and not the team that stands
in the Eagles way to go win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
And I hear that's the problem.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
If Nick Sirianni made that call to go for that
fourth down last night, imagine the reaction here.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
John Jansen would have won. And I'm dead but John
Jansen instead sweets about how much he loves Dan Campbell's
seven times throughout the night, and good on Dan Campbell
for you know he made he made the call at
the end and they won.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
He also made the same.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Call an hour before and it didn't didn't hit. You know,
they went for an on fourth and one on the thirty.
It allowed Green Bay to score a touchdown right away,
So that could have been the reason they lost the game.
But because they won the game, you look at their Yeah,
it's just people play results far too often with that.
Dan Campbell's a good coach. I think for sure. The
story with the Lions is not Dan Campbell. The story
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with the Lions is how good the Lions are and
Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn being two of the best
coordinators in the sport. Dan Campbell's you know, he's he's
doing a good job. You can't point and say he's not.
They're twelve and one. I think that it's smart to
be aggressive instead of conservative. But you know, if he
lost a couple games, even if he did justice good
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of a job, we'd be killing him because of the
decisions if they didn't work. So the way we cover
fourth down decisions and all that stuff is so stupid
in my opinion. And I've been very clear, like I
have specific situations that I think you should go for it.
And if you're within the five and it's fourth and goal,
you go for it. If it's ye're up seven and
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you can kick an extra point to go up eight,
or you go for two to go up nine. I
go for two to make it a two possession game.
There's these little strategic points that I care about, but
so many people just play whatever the result is. Let's
move on and let's talk about some of the Week
fourteen games, and let's start with the Eagles and the Panthers.
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We have Eagles Panthers twelve and a half point favorite here,
maybe thirteen depending on when you're looking here. Yeah, but yeah,
thirteen I'm seeing now I wrote it down. It's twelve
and a half. But thirteen now big number. I hate
laying big numbers, especially in the NFL. But what I
did do on a you know, no free ads for
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the gambling app, but I got Jalen Hurts and Eagles
money line Jialen Hurts touchdown Eagles money line minus one twenty,
where that's minus one forty five minus won fifty on
some books. I was able to find a book no
free ads that you could parlay that. Go check out
the Twitter for that, and that's what I'm going with.
Jalen Hurts touchdowns at minus one sixty three to minus
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one eighty five, depending on what book you're looking at,
and I still want to bet it. I still think
he scores. You know, it's just a statistical thing where
you know he's more than likely not going, he's more
likely than not going to score a touchdown. And obviously
the Eagles being a thirteen point favorite, I'm extremely confident
they win the game. That's what I'm going with.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Yeah, I think that's a good way to go about it,
and I won't lie. I do think the number feels
a little bit steep to me. I get the Carolina
Panthers have been about as bad as it comes, and
I wouldn't say that because there's obviously other teams around
the league that I think have less of a pulse
than them. But I think Bryce Young is playing some
good football, that these are important games for him that
he's not taking for granted. I don't think that the
Eagle is going to be in danger of losing this
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game by any means, But it would not shock me
whatsoever if there is some sort of backdoor cover or
that late in the game Bryce Young is able to
throw a touchdown in that kind of interrupts the spread
and it ends like a ten point victory or something
like that. So the twelve and a half or thirteen
does scare me a bit there. I think is very
smart the way you went about the Jalen Hurts anytime
touchdown and money line, that probably is the way to go.
But I will say my favorite prop for this specific
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game Saquon Barkley over one eleven point five rushing guards,
super super high number. I think that's the highest I
can remember ever seeing a rushing prop there. But Carolina's
rush defense is brutal. If there is any motivation from
Saquon Barkley to actually chase this record, we're gonna find
out this week. I think that's what ends up happening.
I think he gets two long rushing touchdowns where he's
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able to break free flirt with two hundred yards on
the day, and I think you pretty comfortably clear is
the one eleven and a half. So he obviously gets
the ball a Ton. This is a situation where the
Eagles are still more than using him at this point
in the season. So I think he lays it on
pretty thick and it is in rain to breaking that
record after this week's game.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, No, It'll be really fun in Week eighteen when
we have the two seed locked up and we go
out and play Taquon in the offensive line and you know,
an offensive line and breaks an ankle because of a
meaningless record.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I put it out there.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
It's what's going to happen out there. They are they
are going to get to a Week eighteen where Seikwon
needs yards to break the record. It is going to
be an obvious sit spot and the entire fan base
is going to riot because Saquon Barkley has become Paul
Bunyan in the way that everything he does is mythical
and we need him to be the MVP, which is
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such a ridiculous conversation. Guess what, Josh Jacobs, Saquon Barkley
and UH and Derrick Henry, Derrick Henry. Last year, the
teams that they joined at this point of the year
had thirty three wins. How many How many do they
have this year?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Thirty five thirty five, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Two more wins. The teams that they left have the
exact same amount of wins as they had last year.
With those three players, It's almost like a running back
is a product of the system that's around them. I
can't believe I'm saying that out loud. It's almost like
it's been an accepted fact for a decade. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Saquon Barkley is the best pr.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Team in the history of sports. You know, Sean brace
is tweeting about his Olympic sprinting thing from high school
where he gave someone a medal. He's the best running
back in the sport, right, Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Need to say more than that. We don't talking about
his high school.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Medals that he gave away and talking about like how
great of a guy is when he gives away, when
he asks for the backup to get carries at the
end of the whatever. I just think a little bit
of the way Saquan's covered is unlike any athlete I've
ever seen in the history of Philadelphia sports. And I
think the way he's covered absolutely demeans Jalen Hurts. It
demeans Howie Roseman, It demeans the entire roster, because this
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team is not good because of a running back. This
team has been good long before Saquon Barkley was an Eagle.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah, I mean you're right about that for sure.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
The only thing what I think it is with Saquon
the situation is this dude is legitimately like a generational
running back, like talent, like the athleticism, the combination of
skills that he has, the freak athlete that he is,
and he was just buried on a nothing organization for
every year of his career up until this point. I think,
really what this push is and what it is why
he's in the limelight the way that he is is
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he is now on a winning team. He is not
responsible for that solely, but he has absolutely raised the
ceiling of this team to a spot where it wasn't
before and we're getting seeing him get the shine because
of that.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
So I get the frustrations.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
I certainly hear you on the meaning to Jalen, and
it's kind of still crazy to me the way Jalen
gets talked about and Howwie Roseman. I mean, they're across
the board an excellent football team in just about every
single positional category, so get the credit there. But I
think that's more of what it is is he stepped
out of the Giants, he stepped into a winning organization
and kind of getting more love because of it.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, hey, take it from John Jansen. Saquon helps, Jalen hurts.
Jalen Hurts doesn't help Saquon. I don't know why you
would ever suggest that a running back who's third and
rushing among quarterbacks, would who who's on pace for like
six or seven hundred rushing yards this year, would help
a running back. It's almost like a defense would have
to maybe account for a quarterback who can run. I
know that that's a crazy thought to John Jansen, who
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acted like I was gaslighting him on Twitter, Well, I'm
fired up about arguments coming into today here obviously, but
I uh yeah, I just think that the way that
this MVP conversation is being covered is the proof I
need that I've muted MVP from my timeline. I think
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that it's a meaningless conversation now. Used to be based
on stats and merit. Now it's based on Twitter and narratives,
and the fact that Josh Allen, who I like, I'm
fine Josh Allen is worlds more deserving to an MVP
Saquon Barkley, But Josh Allen's fifteenth in passing in passing yards,
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It's almost like it. Man, you know, if there was
a guy out there, I don't know if this exists,
but if there was a guy who was second in
passing yards, second in passing touchdowns, only had three interceptions,
was leading a winning team who was also leading the
league in passer rating and QBR and air yards per
attempt while also being on pace to rush for about
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nine hundred yards from the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Oh wait, we do have that guy.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
And he's a two time MVP, and he's having the
best year of his career, and he's ten to one
to win the award.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
That's all I need to hear.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It's all I need to see the MVP awards broken,
it's done, it's cooked. I don't want to hear about
it the rest of the year, and all I'll hear
about is the MVP because Eagles fans are Saquon Barkley
fans over Eagles fans at this point. If judging Twitter
is the way I'm judging Twitter, I'm the rants.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
But no, I like you, I will say, don't always
take Twitter as the general consensus.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I think that gets inflating.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Yeah, for sure, I'm a Lamar guy as well that
I think he's playing very clearly the best football of
his career. He's been straight up amazing this year, in
my mind, the best season of his career. Who and
already a two time MVP. The immediate pushback you'll get
back on that one is the eight and five record,
And you can kind of have your opinion for how
much you weigh that, but I as far as like
the why, that's kind of what I think the immediate
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pushback will be.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
To that argument.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
The Ravens have lost games by two, two, three, five,
and seven. They've lost their five.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Goal foot half the foot against the Chiefs although half, but.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
They've lost the five games by twenty two points. Justin
Tucker has missed twenty two points of kicks in those
seven in those five games.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Insane.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
That's not Lamar Jackson's fell or by the way, to
throw another in the mix here, if the Cincinnati Bengals
have a winning record at this stage of the season,
I guarantee Joe Burrows get in these same exact conversations
and like not his fault either.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Part of the weird thing with that is his numbers actually,
like they probably wouldn't be as good if the defense
wasn't as bad because he's growing so much from behind
and people don't want to hear that. I'm not taking
away from what Burrow's doing. For a long time, I
did the whole Mahomes Lamar Allen as their own top
three burrows in that like Burrow's four I think pretty
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clearly now. So even though they're four and eight, I'm
willing to give him a lot of credit for this year.
But I do think the numbers would be worse if
they were better. But yeah, to me, honestly, just fully honestly,
and I get that I have a Lamar eighteen to
one ticket. Like just running through the numbers, like Lamar
beat Josh Allen head to head, Lamar's thirty three hundred
pass yards, Josh Allena is six hundred less. Josh Allen
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has nine less touchdowns, more interceptions, less rushing yards, a
worse fascerrating, a worse QBR, and lost to Lamar. So
we're doing everything. Having touchdown, he does have a receiving
touchdown that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Let's let's move on.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And I hate everyone thinks I like hate Saquon Barkley.
I'm an Eagles fan. I will I root every time
he breaks the every time he breaks the you know
why am I struggling the line of scrimmage and goes
on a long run. I'm jumping up and down and
running all over my apartment or wherever I'm at. And
people who watch the Eagles game can tell you that.
With me on last Sunday at the at the bar,
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we were watching it as the gambler. But that doesn't
mean it.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Oh, we got a little Mark dropout situation, so filling
in for the time being. Is his wheel spin on
this and had a little bit of a Wi Fi
issue leading up to things, So my guess is that
is the case there. But to pick up a little
bit and put a bow on kind of the Saquon
MVP conversations, I do think that Mark is overly riled
up with kind of the general Twitter consensus when that
is not the public consensus. I'll say that we do
(26:43):
have Mark joining back on on this side of things now,
So taping right back in, I'll throw it back to
you right where you pick up where right where you
left off there.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, I do want to move on. We have to
get to the other games. You only got fifteen minutes
left to cover all the games. And I don't have
a lot of bets this week, to be honest with you,
I only have a that I like, and you know
it's it's a weird week. I think on both football slates,
whether it be for college football or NFL, I will
mention the one. Let's talk about the one game, and
it's a crappy game. Why are the Jags of four
(27:13):
point doll at Tennessee? I know Mac Jones is in,
Trevor Lawrence is out.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
That just's okay.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Last week he only loved Houston by three, He played
okay down the stretch. Tennessee's terrible.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, Tennessee is terrible there.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
The Will Levis and Mac Jones combination here is gonna
be pretty electric to watch. I think we're in store
for quite a few turnovers. I think it's gonna be
a messy football game. The over understanding at forty here,
I do lean towards the under on that side of things,
but I don't think the Jaguars taking a chance on
the money line is a bad swing here that to me,
this is pretty much a straight up crapshoot of a game.
There's still the people down in Jacksonville have playing to
(27:46):
play for. It does feel like that they're cleaning house
pretty much regardless out of the season wraps up, but
you're still playing for future career opportunities. All these guys
have something to prove, from players, coaches to everything in
between there. So I think jackson was going to do
their best to bring it to me. I think it
feels like an absolute crapshoot. Take the plus one forty
on the money line and have some fun with it.
It's kind of my outlook.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, I'm taking Jacksonville. I'm not confident in it. It's
one of my one unit two unit bet but I'll
be on Jacksonville next. I don't have a bet on
any of the other one o'clock games, but we'll mention.
I'm here Minnesota Atlanta obviously Minnesota big favorite. Kirk Cousins
revenge game. Kirk Cousins looks cooked right now. There were
some outs last week that he couldn't drive the ball
(28:27):
through to get it all the way there. It's pretty
ugly stuff, so I'm gonna. I think Minnesota wins the game.
I wouldn't be laying points with Minnesota. I think they're
a massive fraud who should have lost last week and
got lucky, but they probably win the game.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Yeah, I like the plus five and a half for
that very reason that I do think Minnesota is showing
a little bit of the holes that they have and
I don't believe them as a true contender there. The
Kirk physical stuff man is concerning, like like the three
interceptions last week, and all three of them were pretty bad,
Like they weren't these like dumb luck ones where things
go wrong, Well, they were bad rees that were him
zeroed in and him physically not being able to deliver
(29:03):
the ball where it needs to be. So I know
Michael Penix is lingering over the shoulders. I'm curious we
see any action with Penis on the field. I feel
like they don't have much to lose at this stage
of the season. They'll make things even more interesting moving forward.
But I'm I guess the least optimistic about the outlook
of Kirk Cousins as I've been in like ten years
at this point.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, No, I totally agree. Let's go rapid fire on
these other games we have Vegas at Tampa Bay. I
think Tampa's like a seven. I don't have the lines
right in front of me anymore because my technology issues
going on here, But I think Tampa wins this game.
I'm not laying a big number with Tampa after what
I saw last week. Didn't like how I look. I
didn't like how their defense looked at all. Do I
think aid O'Connell picks them the part? Probably not. Tampa
(29:44):
may be a good money line to use, maybe a
good survivor pick to use, but I wouldn't be laying it.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Yeah, six and a half the spread here, I don't.
I'm pretty out on Tampa from the outlook. I like
them early on in the season, but injuries have caught
up and it just feels like the team's fading a
little bit there. I do lean towards the plus six
and a half in favor of the Raiders here. They've
looked a little better of late, but this is still
kind of a crapshoot of a game to me, so
lean the plus six and a half.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
But I do think tam Beggott's the win.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, I agree with you there, Cleveland at Pittsburgh. What's
the line on that one. I think it's six and
a half.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Yep, six and a half as well minus two seventy
on the money line.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, normally I would look at Cleveland because I do
think Pittsburgh lets up in these kind of spots. But
they just lost to Cleveland home game. You have to
think they come and fired.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Up Jameis Winston.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Man, I'm still not over that Monday Night of just
the all time Jameis Winston performances.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
He's gonna make it.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
An electric he's gonna make it entertaining, but the holes
are still there. I think the turnover issue show face
and that kind of buries them there. Pittsburgh is a
good team, man, I'm buying into what they're selling there.
I think they covered the minus six and a half
and I think that shake up that they already had
by Cleveland it's gonna be fresh on their mind.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
So yeah, I've lay the points with Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, I I don't the Pittsburgh thing is so weird.
I still don't think they can win a super Bowl. No,
that's that's where that's kind of where I I think
I've probably not given them enough credit. But I still
don't think that they can win a Super Bowl. So
(31:12):
it's a weird. It's a weird thing. And then with Cleveland,
I didn't watch them Monday night games. Sometimes when you're married,
you've gotta you've got to devote, devote knights, devote knights
to the to the wife movie. Yeah. Absolutely, So you know,
you think you're safe skipping Cleveland Denver, especially when you
don't have a bet on the game, and then it
turns out to be you know, the Jamis four ninety
seven yard game.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
It's credible, awesome.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
I love Jamis, but and shout out to the post game,
I'm praying to the Lord for the Lord to relieve
me of pick six.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Deliver me from it is unbelievable, unbelievable. He's the best
the New York Jets at the Miami Dolphins. By the way,
Jamis should absolutely be a starter next year.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
It's a joke.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Some of these bottom bottom five quarterbacks you get a
shot over Jamis. He should act.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Yeah, you'll at least have fun. Man, it'll be watchable,
you know, And.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I always say it, but the last time he played
like six or seven games at the start of a
year with Sean Payton before he got hurt. The one
year Sean Payton got really good football out of Gamis.
It was only like three or four years ago now.
But the last game of the one o'clock's the New
York Giants at the New Orleans Saints. I do not
want to see a second of this game. I don't
want to see red zone show this game. I don't
(32:22):
want to be at a bar playing this game on
one of the TVs. Don't tell me anything that happens.
I never want to find out anything that happens in
this game.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Yeah, dropping under forty one bet and stay away from
this game in Tatley. He's basically my advice here. It's
gonna be ugly football, notworth watching whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I totally agree the Late Afternoons Slate. You have a
rematch of a couple of weeks ago Seattle at Arizona.
I want to bet Arizona. I believe in Arizona, but
I'm staying away. This is kind of like the I
think there's some value on the Seahawks plus one seventy
to win. Now, just considering the fact you have a
(32:59):
win on Arizona, you're up a game on the Rams,
and I think we all think San Franz cooked. So yeah,
so I think you have Seattle seven to five, San
France two behind them. You're a win ahead of Arizona,
who you'd beat. You're a win ahead of the Rams,
who I don't think are very good. So I do
think plus one seventy might be worth a look for Seattle.
(33:19):
But I also think Arizona could win this game and
Seattle still win the division, they would be tied, Seattle
would still have the tiebreaker. Like that's kind of why,
Like I'm struggling really badly because I kind of think
Arizona wins this game, kind of want to bet Arizona
also kind of want to bet that division number probably
gonna end up betting neither.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I guess, like I don't.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I can't figure out what to do here.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
Yeah, I mean, I'll start was saying I was ready
to clare Seattle dead a couple of weeks ago, and
they've now won three straight and it seems a little
bit of life again that this team looks like they're
back in the mix for sure. This divisional race is
probably the most interesting across all of football. To me,
I do still kind of feel that Arizona's a better
football team, and then being at home like gives them
the clean slate. Here their defense is kind of faded
(34:00):
in recent weeks and their offense performance way better at home,
which is something to note heading into this one. But
ultimately here like Seattle kind of has that look a
little bit more than I thought they were gonna be
able to. So I'm this is what I'll stay completely
away from, probably the game I'm most interested in, but
don't have a passionate play on either side.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
If I gave you over under a half of a team,
so just one team is the over do the NFC
West or NFC South winners win a game in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I would say yes to that.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I think, I think, I lean though, Okay, I think
we're gonna get Minnesota and green Bay being those teams.
I don't even think Minnesota is that good though, so
now Minnesota could easily lose to one of those teams.
I do think green Bay is absolutely gonna beat any
of those teams Arizona, Seattle, Atlanta, Tampa, But Minnesota, I
guess is the is the question mark a game that
(34:53):
one of the games, the only games of the week
that I have a real take on the Rams at Buffalo.
I love Buffalo here, especially in LA. I actually kind
of like it better that it's in LA because if
it was in Buffalo, they'd be seven eight nine point favorites.
And with it being in LA you get a little
bit of a discount. But that stadium is gonna be
sixty seventy percent Bills fans. It's gonna be a lot
of Bills fans making the trip out of Hollywood to
(35:14):
see their team in so far. So I like the
Bills laying the number, And usually I don't have this
in the number right in front of me. When Josh
Allen wins games, he generally wins them by a lot
of points. It's kind of like a Buffalo Bill's trope
over the Josh Allen era. So I don't have a
problem laying the points. But I did decide early in
the week. I liked the Chiefs minus three and a
(35:35):
half at the Chargers on Sunday night, I decided to
parlay these money lines together, Bill's money line, Chiefs money line.
I think you can get like plus one seventy five
ish if you parlay those money lines together. That's what
I'm going for So I will be betting the Bills,
but my main bet here will be Bill's Chiefs money line.
Both teams trying to keep pace for that one seed.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yeah like that there, I am all over Buffalo for
this one.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I think minus three and a half is an awesome
spread to pay there.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I stack down to three and a half.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Three and a half crash, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Spended three and a half, got up to like five. Wow,
and I didn't know that it went back down.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
That's good to hear.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Yeah, that's what I'm seeing on DraftKings as of now.
I also got a stat free mark Henry Junior. So
the Bills ranked second in a percentage of drives scoring
the football. What percentage would you guess that is?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Hm?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
What is it? Well, it's forty nine point two percent. Yeah,
pretty good.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Pretty impressive stuff there, and their defense kind of playing
better too, So I kind of think the Rams had
a little bit of a vibe of maybe they still
got some life in them. I think unfortunately Matt Stafford's fading.
There's not enough talents kind of surrounding him there. I
think the Bills roll house here.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I agree with you. Also, for anybody watching you, you're
getting to see a full Becky cam today. Becky was
not being a good podcast pub so she has to
She's punished by sitting on my lap the rest of
the show. But Chicago at San fran the last game
of the Sunday So I guess before the Sunday night
football game, the last game of the Sunday Slate, I
(37:01):
am talking myself in more and more to maybe this
being my best bet of the week. This is is
a coach fired game, and no one's talking about it
as that, Like I feel like every time he coach
could fire. Maybe it's because it happened on Thanksgiving, happened
on Thursday, it's like eleven days. People kind of forget
that they could have fire the coach.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
And such a disaster's loss too, like not a disaster.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
And a situation where we know the team hated the coach,
like we had that report come out that Jalen Johnson
and some of the other guys screamed at him in
the locker room after to the point where he just
walked out. So I think that that kind of shows
this like leadership capabilities. I'd say, yeah, but I kind
of love the Bears lay in the points here or
(37:40):
given the points here, I would lean money line as well.
Where is this number at for you on DraftKings?
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Three and a half on the spread plus one fifty
four on the money line for Chicago.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I am generally of the opinion that I don't take
money lines unless it's unless.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
It's over, like.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Maybe, So if you're giving me anything under five and
a half points and I like the underdog, I'm almost
always just gonna take the spread. Just a philosophy of mine.
I don't even know if that's correct to do, but
I'm taking the Bears. I think they bounce back with
Thomas Brown, who seems to be kind of fired up
for this. I think he's kind of like the perfect
interim coach guy, to the point where I wonder if, like,
(38:21):
if he did well down the stretch, would that be
the annoying interim conversation where then they have to get considered.
But probably not, Let's go to Chicago. I think San
France is dead dead.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Or yeah, I do as well.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
I kind of think we get that glimpse of Okay,
here's a Caleb Williams masterpiece just for this one game.
This is what we have to launch off here there's
a great opportunity to do it. So I'm on your
side of things. I truly can't believe how disasters that
like loss was last week like some of the worst
clock management and team management that I've ever seen at
the NBA or NFL level there, So rightfully that he
(38:54):
was fired there. There's no way you can walk back
and bring him back for another week there. The season
has gone off the rails for the Bear several weeks ago,
so this isn't a huge shock here. But I do
think they might get a little bit of a jolt
of life from Caleb Williams and find out a win
in this one.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, I agree and Caleb. I was listening to mcshaye
talk about Caleb and he's like, I know that the
narratives out there publicly are not like people aren't in
love with this Caleb season. If you watch some of
the good games, like the second half of that game
last week, everyone's focused on the ending. This, by the way,
it's kind of bizarre. I just got this text as
we're talking, Adam Schefter bears QB. Caleb Williams is the
(39:29):
NFLPA community MVP. That's pretty crazy. It's not what I
think we'ld fit in the narrative about Caleb Williams that's
out there. I think Caleb's handled all of this really
well in the media, and he's apparently talked to the
team and owned up for his part in the struggles
when Shane Waldron was fired and let a speech after
Thomas Brown was introduced as a head coach to the team.
(39:52):
So I actually think it's not really the behind the
scenes stuff with Caleb that I'm worried about. I'm not
worried about anything I think Caleb's doing he had. I
think it's clear that that coaching staff is a joke
and it was a brutal situation. The O line's not
good enough. The glimpses of what you're seeing from Caleb are,
you know, pretty amazing stuff.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Still, yeah, I'm more of a Caleb skeptic than you,
for sure, but I agree with you in the assessment
that I've been over all impressed this year. I like
the way that he's handle himself with the podium kind
of some of the glimpses of leadership that we do see,
and I think the on field play for the most
part has been pretty pretty solid based on what you'd
expect from. It's clear that there's a mess. They have a
ton of issues that need to be addressed moving forward
to next year. But I my panic meter has not
(40:31):
increased for Caleb Williams throughout the season by any means, And.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
They should almost definitely be seven and five right now.
Like they lost three games on a hail mary on
the worst coaching you'll ever I guess you can't give
them the win for that Bears game because they would
have tied it and went to overtime, So that's not
necessarily fair to bring that up. But losing on a
hail Mary and losing on a blocked thirty one yard
field goal is pretty unbelievable stuff. And they've done those
(40:57):
three losses in the span of the last like twenty
five d's or something crazy. So man brutal year to
be a Bears fan. But I actually feel like, like
Beef had the tweet at Big Cat the other day
where he was and Big Cat had the funny sweet back,
and I'm like, oh, how the Bear's loss not making
If you're a Bears fan, I actually think you're like
happy about that game, like.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
It needed to. It motivated change, Like yes, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
It got eaber flues fired.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Caleb looked good for a good portion of it, Like
you actually lose it and helps your draft pick, like
I actually think, like I actually think that was like
a good outcome for Chicago. I already gave my take
ONKC LA. I know you're in on KC as well.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
Yeah, come on, Patrick Mahlmes versus Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
What are we talking about here?
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Sport Clips client, Justin Herbert. Apparently he's warming up to me.
To those who don't know, I do work for sport
Clips as a day job for a marketing job. So
Justin Herbert helping me get the word of sport clips
out there. It's a game changer.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yeah, that did hurt.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
That did make me view him a little bit more
positively that that helped Herbert's case. My mind, I won't
lie to you, said pointed that we share Barber's There
is the way I'm gonna put that.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
But you know, he's what.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
It is, last game of the week since the at
Dallas on Monday night.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yuck.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
What a terrible game. And they probably thought it was
gonna be so good when they booked it for this game.
But we'll probably have a lot of fantasy interest for
me with a couple of big matchups, so I'm sure
I'll be tuned in. I will not be betting this game.
What I will be doing, I'm betting Jamar touchdown every week.
I haven't checked the odds yet on Jamar, but let
me turn it back over to you while I check it.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
Real fast minus won sixty five on DraftKings for never.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Mind then, so that they've officially priced that out. So
I think he had fourteen touchdowns on the year or
something like that, So that makes sense. While you're there,
what's Chase Brown's receiving prop before we head out of here?
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (42:46):
He was for receiving yards you're talking? Yeah, twenty five
and a half for Chase Brown.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Add it to my card. We bet that same number
last week and we hammered it. That's gonna do it.
For the Tough Cover radio show, we gotta we gotta
wrap it up here so we can get over to
the Villanova pregame rather soon here on Fox Sports and Gambler.
So for my Coachrom Bernard, I'm Mark Henry Junior.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Tough Cover Country, Let's Ride.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Spreads totals and all the prop that's in between. It's
the gambler
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