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October 28, 2025 14 mins

We push into the hard edges of SNAP: who it helps, who it misses, and how incentives shape what ends up on the table. From $292 to $975, from whole loins to rice and beans, we test frugal tools, rant about fast food EBT, and ask for real stories from the field.

• why discomfort can drive progress and comfort can stall it
• how SNAP amounts compare to real grocery costs
• eating well on less using bulk cuts and staples
• unfair hoops after layoffs and how people game the rules
• concerns about EBT at fast food and corner stores
• proposal for curated food boxes to improve nutrition
• rising bills, cutting subs, and living within limits
• hustle culture myths versus patient, steady work
• family housing and support as cost relief
• the push and pull between safety nets and self‑reliance



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SPEAKER_00 (00:02):
Hello and welcome to the Trading Post Podcast, where
we unlock the secrets ofbusiness-to-business trade, dive
into powerful networkingstrategies, and share my
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I'm your host, Traders Do.

(00:24):
Thinking about on the ride in,of course, everything is filled
with snap talk.
And I mean, like, you know, thesnap benefits, the EBT cards,
whatever, it's all ending herethis week, right?
And I thought that I gotsomething to say about it.
I couldn't just let that one go.
By the way, if you hear mehaving a cough drop in my mouth,

(00:46):
it is because I do.
It's, dude, I got this freakingcold at the beginning of last
month.
So it's September, first week ofSeptember.
I still have this stupid cough.
Anyone ever tried those nicotinepatches?
I've heard a nicotine kills thislong COVID or everyone, whatever
they're calling it.
But for the symptoms from havingCOVID, I I had to have had it,

(01:07):
dude.
I can't get rid of those stupidcoughs.
So I'm gonna try some nicotinegum again, I think on the way
home and see what happensbecause I'm over it.
I won't even smoke cigarettes,but on the risk of getting
addicted to nicotine.
I don't care because I I can't Ican't keep going like this.
Anyway, I was doing someresearch on these supplemental

(01:28):
nutrition assistance program.
And by the way, I can talk aboutit because I was your basic
starving artist living in NewYork City, literally living on
hot dog per day.
You know, those hot dog vendorsyou always see in the streets of
New York.
Well, they're on every corner.
And back in the day, I think itwas a buck, maybe two bucks for

(01:51):
a pop.
I think it was a pop and a dog.
Maybe it was a pop dog and chip.
I can't remember.
That was like so long ago.
That was back in 1999, dude.
Believe it or not.
So long time ago.
Anyway, I would just eat one ofthose a day.
And let's not forget all of thewalking I did.
Like I would literally I would Iwouldn't take any mass trans for

(02:11):
the most part because I was astarving artist, except for what
my my dad and my stepmom wouldgive me a metro card, and it
gave me access to the subwaysand stuff.
But for the most part, I walkedaround a lot and burning all
kinds of calories and not eatingany of it back.
So I can I wasn't starving, butit's a little bit you you don't

(02:33):
realize how little you need tolive.
You don't need that much food asan adult, a teenager or a kid,
you do, you know, you gotta putdown some food.
But as an adult, you really onlyhave to eat one time a day,
maybe two, and and I mean, andthat's not a lot of food either.
You don't need a steak every dayor whatever, right?
So really didn't know how muchpeople got paid.

(02:55):
I thought it was$87 a month, not$187.
And so I'm actually in myoffice, and because I want to do
some investigation as I'mtalking here out loud, and I
actually just typed in what theaverage is in Metro Detroit, and
it's insane, man, how much thesepeople get.

(03:15):
You're not supposed to becomfortable.
This is supposed to suck.
This is supposed to be a time inyour life to when you don't want
to be on this.
I get how this generationalthing, this is saying the
one-person household can get$292per month.
Okay, I would say that's a fairamount.

(03:35):
I don't know, that's uh that'sless than$100 a week.
That's not a lot, but afour-person household can get
$975 a month, dude.
That's a lot of freaking money,man.
And free money, we spend about Ithink it's$800 to$1,000 a month.
Now my wife would know betterthan me.
I don't really pay attention,but we eat freaking good, dude.

(03:55):
Like we got freezer full offood, like three freezer full of
food, actually.
And I'm talking about ribs.
I get all this stuff when it'son sale, right?
If I see racks of ribs on salefor two bucks a pound, I try and
empty out the freezer, it'sgone.
It's mine.
Because you know, you get itwhile you can, otherwise,
they're four bucks a pound orwhatever, right?

(04:16):
So we got, I think, a brisket inthere, a couple pork bellies
that I get good.
If you ever get pork shoulders,you can get a whole pork
shoulder.
I got one in there for 13 bucksI paid for the whole thing, and
that's like 10 pounds of meat orsomething like that, and a tiny
little bone.
So, I mean, you can do it, man.
You can eat really well on not alot.

(04:39):
And it's not like I'm trying to,it's just I love meat and I love
smoking food and I love you knowgrilling, and that's the that's
what I get.
I get I focus on those cuts.
If you ever get like a wholeprime cut, my my little boy was
craving lots of beef when he wasbrewing in my my wife's belly,

(05:01):
and she would eat literally asteak every day of New York
strips that she used to, I thinkthis is just what she was
getting, New York's or somethinglike that.
I can't remember, it doesn'tmatter.
The fact of the matter is, wedidn't buy a New York strip
every day.
You buy the whole loin, and it'slike I forgot how many pounds.
Basically, I think you get 27steaks out of this for I don't

(05:23):
know, 80 bucks.
And I mean, that's that's likeit's a meal a day, it's 80
bucks, that's a month, that's amonth of food, right?
Every day she ate a steak for 80bucks a month, dude.
That's not a lot of money.
I mean, you can do it, you caneat really well if you're smart,
buy the whole cut, cut it upyourself, or have the butcher do
it, blah blah.
All I'm saying is I don't know.

(05:46):
I saw someone talk about likeyou should really get a box of
food and just give into you, andyou need to figure it out.
Like rice, beans, maybe a bit ofmeat, but you can live on rice
and beans.
I mean, it's the whole aminoacids, the whole protein, it's
supposed to suck.
This is not supposed to be agood time in your life to where

(06:06):
you're gonna want to like goahead and live on this for the
next year.
You know, and it ticks me off isthat I got laid off.
I paid tens of thousands ofdollars into the system.
But when I wanted to see if Icould use it just to like help,
you know, for a little bitbecause my son was new, six
months, I think it was sixmonths old, and I got laid off.

(06:26):
I was like, well, see if I canget some of this because why
not?
I paid into it and I'm laid off,not making money, and why not?
Yeah, right, dude.
They said your net worth has tobe this and you have to do this,
and you couldn't make this thisyear.
And I'm like, Yeah, but I justgot laid off.
I mean, it was bull crap, dude.
The amount of hoops they makeyou jump through, I get they

(06:47):
want you to be poor, but I knowthere's people out there that
figure the system out andthey're not poor, they're
driving nice cars, they got youknow their clothes and their
hair, the nails, just the wholething like they're talking about
on the internet.
And it's it is upsetting.
And I really think that youshould just be given it a box or
shipped a box.

(07:07):
Like they do shipping of foodnow for groceries, right?
White, like blue apron orwhatever else.
There's that misfit foods youcan get boxes of.
They can ship food to the housein a cooler and it's done.
That's that's what you get.
That's it.
That's what you get for the weekor every other week or for the

(07:29):
month, however, they can do it.
I don't know.
But I also understand that it'sa huge racket, right?
So because liquor stores takeEBT, my wife said she saw the
other day at Taco Bell they takeEBT.
And I had to edit out, I had a Idropped a cuss word, dude.
I never cussed before.
I'm kind of worked up about thisactually, because this is this

(07:52):
is a baloney man.
And I think that this needs tobe revamped anyways.
But what I was getting at islike there is a whole market,
right?
There's a whole stream of incomethat stores and whatever, and I
say stores, I mean like cornerstores, grocery stores,
whatever, are getting this moneyand it's millions of dollars.

(08:12):
42 million people are on Snapright now.
That's crazy, by the way.
We're the world's richestcountry, or so they tell us.
You're telling me that one inseven people has to be on some
kind of supplemental food incometo make ends meet.
I don't understand that.
I don't get it.
But like, you know, as my dadalways says, he's like, back in

(08:33):
my day, we didn't have a cellphone payment, two car payments,
two insurance payments on cars,cable bill, streaming bill,
Netflix bills, Amazon bills.
I mean, you know, I actually amkind of just overpaying 30 bucks
a month for YouTube premium.
I I I am on it and off again.

(08:55):
I should have really been on itwhen my son was born because I
watched a lot of TV early in themorning.
But honestly, I don't evenremember the commercials being
that big of a hindrance, Iguess.
I don't know.
I watched a lot of shows andbecause he was up all night.
I don't know.
Uh I lost my job, so it's like,okay, time to cut it out.

(09:15):
That's it.
Either we could afford it ornot.
I wasn't about to, you know, tryand say that we're gonna not
make any changes.
It's not necessarily aboutmaking changes that makes the
change.
It's about just like living intothe suck.
You have to deal with it, andthen in order for it to like,
you don't want it to be likethat no more.

(09:36):
So even though I could affordYouTube premium, let's just say
at the time, at least for thefirst couple of months, because
I got a buyout package.
But you know, as I was lookingfor jobs, whatever, I digress.
But you don't want it to becomfortable.
I 30 bucks a month isn't gonnamake or break us, but you gotta
make it be like, damn, every dayI watch YouTube or whatever, and

(09:59):
I have to deal with these stupidcommercials because I don't have
a job.
And I think it's just the way ithas to be.
And we I remember I was workingat ADT security a long time ago.
I was in Flint, Michigan, of allplaces, doing alarms for
businesses, no less.
And I was not in a good area.

(10:20):
And this guy from thePhilippines, he owned this
Chinese restaurant's building.
He owned the building, not therestaurant.
The restaurant was empty, theplace went out of business, but
the guy, you know, still has thebuilding, and he was getting
broken into because peoplewanted to steal the copper out
of it.
This is back in the copper days,right?
The copper days, back in uh theday when 08, I think it was 09,

(10:43):
people were stealing copperplumbing and all that stuff.
And he's like, What's wrong withthe people today, dude?
He goes, Back in my country inthe Philippines, if you don't
work, you don't eat.
You need to do something to fillthe hole, right?
People want all these handoutsall the time, they want
something for nothing.
And it was a really interestingperspective because I mean I

(11:04):
grew up in Franken Moose.
I wasn't given anything.
We were farmers, not I wasn't afarmer, but I worked, I worked
on my buddy's farms, and youknow, I'm I'm from hard work,
you know, slaughtering chickensand collecting chicken eggs and
feeding cows.
And, you know, before we went toschool, it's if I stayed the
night there, we would get up, dochores, and then go to school.
So I know, you know, I've beenthrough it.

(11:26):
And anyway, all I'm saying isit's hard to break the cycle.
And I think that's what they'retrying to do.
They want the you to, of course,to be dependent on them because
I think that universal basicincome is coming out soon, or
already beta testing it.
And let's just say it's that youget a thousand bucks a month for
free just to sit there and notdo nothing because you can't get

(11:47):
a job because the robots havetaken over or whatever.
We're being conditioned forthat.
I kind of believe that.
And anyway, in a time duringhustle culture, because that's
what you see on YouTube is thehustle culture, these regular
plane.
I wish I knew if they wereactually rented or not, but
these regular guys, whatever,these gurus on trade or they're

(12:10):
doing whatever side jobs andmaking driving these
Lamborghinis, and they're 20years old, and they gotta be
rented, or they're trust fundbabies, and they're making it
look like they made all thismoney, like this Dan Balsarian
guy.
You know, he got found out now.
He's gone because he was a trustfund baby, it's not real, it's
his daddy's money, right?
So, and any rate, all I'm sayingis that it's out there, you

(12:33):
gotta go get it.
The money is out there, theywant you to pick it up.
That's it, go get it.
But it's too easy to get thefree government assistance.
I get that too.
And but they this is why they'rethey're doing what they're
doing, they gotta make it turnon, turn it off, reboot, reset,
and then maybe reapply or changethe priorities or requirements

(12:54):
or the length of time you can beon it.
I don't know.
All I know is something's gottachange because that ain't the
way, you know, it's notsustainable for a country to do
that.
It's not fair either.
Everyone's ticked off, and I getit too.
And I also get that you do maybeneed it a little bit here and
there.
But also there's the fact thatwe're getting away from family

(13:16):
life.
You know, back in the day, y'alllived maybe a generation, two or
three, whatever, in onehousehold, sharing all the
bills.
I couldn't even imagine havinganother family in the house and
splitting everything up 50-50.
That'd be sweet, dude.
Like, imagine, but and a lot ofcountries do it, a lot of
cultures do it, you know, and uhdo it in this country as well.

(13:39):
But I don't know.
All I'm saying is if you are,you know, in the hustle and
ticked off, and if you've everbeen on the snap, if you haven't
been on the snap, if you appliedfor it and got turned down
because of whatever, I'd like toknow about it just to, you know,
maybe I don't know, use the mindor maybe give me something to

(14:00):
talk about too in the next uhnext episode.
But all right, I gotta do someediting because I I dropped some
cuss words and I gotta make surethat I get them all because I
don't want to get shut down.
All right, that's it for now.
I just want to talk about thatand kind of kind of rant and let
you all know you're not alone.
If you're ticked off of thesystem, I think reprieve is

(14:20):
coming and it's about to getbalanced out.
All right, that's it.
Whatever you do out there, begood or be good at it.
Bye.
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