November 7, 2024 • 61 mins
Join me as I sit down with Dedy Tien, a dynamic personal empowerment coach, property investor, and the visionary founder of the Peduli Foundation.
Through this episode, you'll learn about his "three P's": personal coaching to boost confidence, property investments for generating passive income, and the Peduli Foundation's mission to empower young minds with English and entrepreneurial skills.
As we navigate the intricacies of personal growth, our conversation highlights the importance of managing energy and embracing a growth mindset. Dedy shares valuable insights on making small, consistent improvements and the power of intentional action.
The episode also unpacks the transformative power of asking for help, illustrating how mentors can profoundly influence our journey. From the lessons learned in a remote Indonesian village to the importance of physical fitness, this story is a tribute to resilience and the power of community.
Finally, we delve into the profound impact of authenticity and self-discovery, exploring how setting goals from a place of abundance can lead to a more joyful and meaningful existence.
This episode invites you to embrace the responsibility for positive change, encouraging actions that move beyond self-centered thinking to make a difference in the world.
If ever you'd like to connect, please don't hesitate to connect via my website www.jamiewhite.com.
I am always open to feedback, reflections, guest / subject recommendations and anything else that might come up.
Thank you for listening, Jamie x
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Daddy, how many titles do you have?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I Like how many titles, because you seem to do
so many things.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I actually own, I call it the three P's, which is
personal empowerment or personalcoach.
So I help people take them from, one could say, low self-esteem
to high self-confidence.
They don't have like, uh, dailyhabits of power and I kind of
like help them with how theirstructure in terms of their
(00:31):
daily habits of power, uh,that's like personal coach, I
call it.
And then also property.
I call it the proper property.
So investment, passive incomeand all that stuff.
And then, last but not least,which is Peduli, which is a
foundation that I founded tohelp local kids learn how to
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speak English, entrepreneurship,how to basically learn what you
are doing, like teaching aboutentrepreneurship, business and
all that leadershipcommunication skills.
So if I say to my partner babe,if you, if you cannot find me
at peduli, you will find me inproperty.
(01:19):
If you, if you cannot find methere, you'll find me there,
you'll find me a personal coach.
Yeah, it's three-piece.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I've always been quite an archer.
I remember we met in Nirvanaand Nirvana was like this mecca
of training that I found myselfin a few years ago, where it's
so much more than a gym.
There's a huge emphasis interms of learning about your
body and training in reallydifferent ways, and you're my
coach there.
So thank you and then, but Iremember you so motivating and
(01:52):
so inspiring and that like it'squite.
Some of the exercises are sodifficult.
It's kind of I'm trying to justkind of think of like one of
the exercises but it's like do ashoulder press whilst in the
splits and it's very testing.
Um, but the way in which oneyou taught the class was amazing
and then inspired people tofeel comfortable in those savage
(02:13):
times of discomfort.
Yeah, it was, uh, was special.
Yeah, but yeah, the more I'vekind of learned.
Eventually you're like a kindof a fine onion or something.
because, ah, you're not just thecoach in your banana, you're
also a life coach working withpeople personally.
It's not just that, you're alsoinvesting in property.
And then it's not just that aswell.
(02:33):
You set up almost like afoundation with the school.
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yes, the foundation.
Now we have 250 kids now.
We started with only three kids, literally, and from that three
kids we started in our garageand then we found ourselves with
(02:59):
30 kids just too many in thatgarage.
And then from that garage wemove into the backyard.
But backyard it's not reallycongestive for the learning
environment because the kidsspend most of their time chasing
after the paper instead of likelearn.
(03:20):
And then that's how we like, welike, okay, we need to build,
and so a building, because weare that's kind of like our
expertise we build, building,and so we build a school for
these kids.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
This is a school you self-funded yes set up to
support kids after school for acouple of hours to help them
think more entrepreneurial toteach them the entrepreneurial
skills that they don't learn inschool right yes to hopefully
help set them up to be all themore independent as they
progress in life yes, so thatthat's the, the vision, so
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self-funded.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And then friends and family they, they came in and
they're like, oh, I really likethis.
They came in and they're like,oh, I really like this.
For example, like Naomi, shecame and shared her skills, her
time and her heart with thesekids and, yeah, it's very
(04:18):
impactful for these kids tolearn from a wonderful person
like Naomi and I'd love to seeyou there as well.
I feel guilty now that you'resaying that the kids, they would
love to learn from you, right,jamie?
I love it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Like it's quite a big thing.
Most people can barely manageone career let alone the so
you've got your, I think likelet's say, your front and center
of coaching.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And then with the money.
I kind of get the impressionthat with the money from that
you invested yourself intoproperty and you've now like
you've a bunch of buildings.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, we have about 10, like 12 villas, and then at
the moment we are working onbuilding another three villas,
and these are ones that you like, you rent, you do up you buy,
these are owned.
Some rent, renovate and rent.
That's the model that we used.
But now we move away from thatmodel of rent, renovate, rent to
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buy, build and sell.
So we just own the land.
I'm so grateful, being local,you have that.
We just own the land.
I'm so grateful, being local,you have that privilege to own
the land.
So that's kind of like ourmodel now we just buy the land
and we build it.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Wow okay, and then not only that, you're like
actually you know what I want togive back to my community as
well.
I want to support others aroundme.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, amor Bali Properties means giving back
properties that give back.
That's kind of like our slogan.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Okay, so you actually you want to do good for your
community, but you recognizethat you need to fill your cup
first, so you do that throughthe properties and they enable
you to serve a greater impact.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
yes, yeah, um, I like the idea I think there's a
example of that like you have toput the oxygen mask yeah, first
on you and I I call it personalempowerment.
Um, I'm so grateful to be in,uh, one could say, in the point
of my life.
Now, where I own my own house,I don't have to worry about
(06:29):
survival, like the things isthat you have to go out there of
the survival mode in order foryou to be that person, in order
for you to live to your fullestpotential, you have to get out
of the survival mode.
If every day, you get up in themorning and you worry about the
landlord, you know if he wouldjust come in and I say, hey, get
out of the house.
Or if you rent, and it's likeyou know, the survival instincts
(06:54):
always haunt you, because I wasthere, brother Jamie, where you
just worry about this stuff.
So I had a plan at that timeLike I want to own my house, not
30 years from now, but now.
How so?
Properties like flipping it'sspecial in Bali.
It gives you that, yeah, itgives you that ability to do so,
(07:18):
and so I'm so grateful OnceI've done that and taken care of
my family and I say, okay, whatcan I give now?
And then started with kids.
I think education is the key tochange.
What happened now is that local, their parents, let's say, work
(07:43):
for companies.
The salary is only 3 million,for example, per month and they
already spent the first at the 3million in the first week and
they have the three.
So just yeah, just as a bit ofcontext for anybody listening on
, 3 million indian indian rupiahwill be less than 200 euros so
(08:04):
yeah, salary, salaries here,salaries here, and also working
hours working hours is crazyeight to ten hours, sometimes 12
hours and so what happened inthat dilemma is that they have
four or five kids they cannotafford it to to send to school,
to pay for the tuition, to learnenglish, and a lot of business
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owners or restaurants complainabout that.
They don't speak English orthey cannot speak.
Well, what can we do about it?
We can sit and complain aboutit.
We can do something about it.
So then, for me, I say I'm adoer, and this is what I really
love about your podcast as wellyou encourage people to take
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action, to do you know, becauseI think you've got to do.
If you just look at things andjust complain about it, for me I
just take action.
Okay, this is the problem.
To change that, we need toprovide them a safe space for
them to learn and grow,especially English.
(09:06):
The one lesson that I want thekids, the one skill, is English,
because English allows me toconnect with you, brother, and
English opens doors doors likemany doors, but you have to be
(09:28):
proficient with the language,and so that's why the primary
skill that we teach these kidsEnglish and then, after that, we
apply English intoentrepreneurship,
entrepreneurship within theentrepreneurship.
We teach them aboutcommunication skills, leadership
skills, social skills.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, teddy, what inspired you to do this?
Because when most people arelike struggling to survive, and
then for those that have kind ofgone beyond that point, it's
kind of quite easy to get lostin greed and just accumulating
and accumulating wealth, greedand just accumulating and
(10:08):
accumulating wealth.
Why do you think you didn'tkind of just settle in your
comfort and instead decided tohave such a strong kind of
motivation to give back and tolook after those around you?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Great question, rana.
My mission, or one could say,vision in life is to that one
day, when I die, I'll be thepoorest man in that graveyard,
if that makes sense.
What I mean is like I want tospend, spend in terms of all,
like my talents, my skills.
(10:35):
I want to give my money in thatcase as well, like skills,
money, resources, money,resources.
Because if this is the mostpowerful questions that I really
like, the Steve Jobs askhimself all the time If today
was my last day, how would Ilive it?
You see, what motivated me isthat idea.
(10:58):
How would I live this day if Iknew it was my last?
Yeah, I want to, you know.
If so, get up in the morning.
I just it was my last.
I wanna, you know.
If so, get up in the morning.
I just like, okay, I wanna dothis, I wanna do that, I wanna
write, I wanna speak, I wanna sothat I can give, I can
contribute, and I love.
This is also what I love aboutyour reels and the things that
(11:21):
the content that you put outthere is about growth, because
growth, I believe, with givingare inseparable.
You cannot give if you're notgrowing.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I was so keen to dip into this with you because, to
be honest, I meet so manyheart-centered types that give
so much of themselves butunfortunately, they forgot to
look after themselves.
And their capacity to givedepreciates.
It gets less and less and to thepoint that actually they really
can't look after themselvesthat well and they kind of get
frustrated and burnt off by life, and I find it really sad
(12:01):
because sometimes I meet, youknow, people that were giving,
so giving of themselves, and nowthey're upset about it, and
they and they, theyunfortunately they've they've,
let's say, fallen in terms oftheir own self-care, that
they're're a shell of themselves, and if they only did, what I
feel is so inspiring in yourselfis if they only concentrated on
one second.
I'm going to get my base sorted.
(12:21):
First and foremost, I'm goingto move myself from that
survival point to actually likethis confident, grounded space
where I can really think thatbit more visionary.
I'll be able to do so much more, and I feel it's a thing that a
lot of very heart-centeredtypes miss.
But you seem to have nailed andgotten right.
(12:43):
You put your mask on, first andforemost, and now you are
actively helping some of theother people.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, and that's where I wrote that book.
Brother jamie, empower yourself.
Um, empower yourself basicallypointed to this what you just
said.
This truth is that you have tofirst take care of your energy
exercise, eat well uh, you haveto take care of your mindset,
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cultivate growth mindset.
You have to have a life purpose, because these are the things
that will give you the energyright.
And then you have to engage inongoing self-improvement because
, like everything, you're eithergreen and growing or ripe and
rotting.
Right, and the willingness tolearn, the willingness to open
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yourself to new experience, andethical, like work ethic that
actually matters.
Like in my team, I instilledthis idea of care you go out
there, don't think about themoney, don't think about the
fame, don't think about themoney, don't think about the
fame, don't think about allthese things.
Just come from the place ofcare.
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Like, truly care about theperson, the clients, because it
matters.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
People will come back and like I want to do business
with you because how you make mefeel you care about me, you
know I love that you're eithergreen and growing, and I kind of
think that that there's a partof me that it took me a little
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bit of time to actuallyunderstand that.
But I was like, oh wait asecond.
Actually, yeah, because whenyou're, let's say, when you're
happy with yourself, when you'recontent content with yourself
and you take a break, in thatyou sit back, in that you do
start to rot.
Yeah, but if you continuallykind of move that point of
satisfaction on a little bit sothat you're always ripening.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, you're green and ripening.
You're all the time growing,expanding.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Lovely.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, I really like that.
Yeah, I really like that.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I really like that.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I think tony robbins said it really well as well
progress equal happiness yeah,yeah, I I find that when we
settle in yeah, unfortunately wecontract, exactly yeah, and
settling feels good it's likeit's awkward.
In our comfort zone, it'slovely, but we contract and it
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becomes all the harder to getout of that bubble, whereas on
the opposite of that, like whenwe're pushing ourselves, when
we're going beyond our comfortzone, it's uncomfortable, it's
disorientating.
Generally speaking, it's quitechallenging to our confidence.
But we go home at the end ofthe day with a smile on our face
, we sleep better than we donormally.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
We enjoy our meals more because they're earned.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
We enjoy all the nice things all the more, and we
thrive.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, I like this concept of 1%, only 1%.
How am I doing with my health?
How am I doing with my wealth?
How am I doing with myrelationship?
How am I doing with my business?
Can I improve only 1% today?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know what if you improve?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
one percent today.
Guess what, brother jeremy?
100 days later it's 100 percent.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It's actually more, it's actually more.
Yeah, if you do one percentdaily for 365 days, I think it's
a 36 fold increase over thecourse of the year because of
the compounding effect compound.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yes, yeah, there you go, but usually it's not.
You're not one percent, usuallylike maybe more than one
percent.
You always push yourselvesright.
But the idea is that startsmall, but start now yeah,
that's a funny one, you like.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
You really noted earlier that you were like do
you know what?
It's?
Just action, it's just doing.
You might not necessarily evenknow what it is that you're
going to do.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
No, just put yourself yeah, into the mix.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You, you learn pretty damn fast, you start making
that's correct whereas I havefound on several occasions
throughout my life I've gottenlost in planning, I lost in
books, I lost in ideas, and it'slike the more I think about
something, the more I try toperfect that thing, the more I
find I I am pulled back or I'mpaused and I actually don't get
much done, whereas, well, how,like you've just had a baby,
(17:01):
right?
You obviously have yourone-to-one work, you have your
property work, which you're anexpansion on, and you have the
school, which you're anexpansion on.
Like it's quite obvious, you'reexuding a lot of energy.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
And I'm writing books as well at the moment.
So I mean, I love the idea ofgetting up early in the morning
at 4 am.
I'm a 4 am club.
There's a book, I think, robinSharma.
He wrote a book called 5 a clublike 4am club.
(17:37):
I love that 4am.
And, yeah, man, consistency,and also what you just said
before about ideation, and Ithink ideation without the
actual implementation at the endof the day is just an illusion,
and so, and awaiting until itgets perfect, it will.
(18:01):
It's like the only way you knowand you improve on something is
through doing it and gettingfeedback from it.
Yeah, so, just even just smallaction, action, but just do it.
that's how you get the realfeedback and that's how you can
improve things so you get up at4am and so 4am meditate, I would
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just sit there and observe mybody, scan my body and then jump
into the cold plunge.
So I've got one at home andthen went for a run.
So that's kind of like my dailymorning routine and then
afterwards just get into thehabit of writing.
I've got a gratitude journal,so I ask myself, where am I
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grateful for today?
And just list the things thatI'm grateful for and then start
my day.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, I get the feeling that you know there's we
read about so many differentlittle habits and tools and
exercises that we can do thatwill complement our best selves,
and I always get the impressionthat you know there's something
that project that, oh, I'mdoing all of this.
And then there's you whoembodies all of this.
It's like, yeah, I get upbefore I am, I sit, I meditate,
I do my cold bath, I go for myrun, and you can feel your
(19:23):
gratitude in every sentence thatyou share and it's lovely to
see, like, yeah, just thisradiant, happy energy.
Can I ask you a very clichequestion, like I'm curious when
you reflect back on your youngeryears, like what do you think
were kind of the key lessonsthat has brought about the life
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that you have right now?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
um, cool, love it, love it, brother.
Thank you so much.
I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I'm gonna push you and always go like the earliest,
earlier as well, because it'sit.
It's a highly organized, highlydisciplined and like very
complimenting way of living.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
You have so yeah, I'm curious what's shaped you well.
Thank you so much, brother.
Uh, yeah, my mom was my heroand she instilled this idea
without actually saying it, butshe demonstrated by her behavior
.
So I'm witnessing all this, andone thing that I've learned
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from her was dare to ask.
She would just go and askrandom people to help her, and I
don't know if you know I thinkyou know a little bit about my
story, but I came from abackground where education was
not a thing.
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My mom and my dad would ratherhave seen me in a field planting
corn than in a classroomlearning how to write or read.
So that's the background that Icame from, and we didn't even
have electricity to at that time, so we use oil lamp and so.
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But my mom, she, shedemonstrated this behavior of
just ask the neighbor, ask thepeople she came in contact with,
ask people to buy things fromher, and so I got into the habit
of ask for help help I just asklike um, and that carry on to
(21:37):
if anything.
If I'm anything today is becauseof that.
One habit is to ask for help.
If you don't know, simple.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You ask I don't know a lot of things, I when I
started the company, or I don'tknow, I just go and ask the
smartest guy in the room youknow how do you do this I
remember I had somethingsomewhat similar where a teacher
when I was like 15 or 16, hekind of pulled me back after
(22:08):
class and he's like jimmy, youknow, you can put your hand up
and ask when you don't know.
Like that's what this is allabout.
You can just ask questions andwithin weeks of him helping me
with that, like all my gradeschanged, all my my experience of
school changed, but I don'tthink I took it into life enough
quick enough, whereas like thatfrom a young age to be just
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encouraged highly, highly,highly for whatever it is yeah
for whatever it is that you want, ask, and sorry, just to go
back to that.
So you, you grew up in acircumstance where there's no
electricity no you would a gaslamp yes okay and in your home
space, really your parents wouldlike, would wanted your support
on on the fields, rather thanactually kind of read and write
(22:52):
so how and write.
So, how did you?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So I met this wonderful man called Made and
had already embodied the habitof asking for help.
So I asked him how do you write, how do you read?
And he told me three thingsExercise, first one.
And then he taught me how toexercise, first the first one,
and then, um, he taught me abouthow to write, how to, how to
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read, and, uh, also, he's, he'san army at that time, so he,
he's so much about commandostyle, like exercise out there,
like calisthenic kind of style,so, uh, and so that's how I
changed.
One could say that meant my daychanged the trajectory of my
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life, because I had no ideaabout Bali, had no idea about
exercise.
I had no idea about that.
There is things callededucation, which is write, read
and you know.
And so he said, hey, look, ifyou want to learn English, go to
where I'm from, bali.
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And then, seven years later,what he said influenced the
decision.
So I had no idea about Bali,bro.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
So you originally came from Kupang.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Kupang, it's a small island, bro.
If you Kupang, it's a smallisland, bro.
If you look at it in a map,it's a small island.
Indonesia, and again Indonesiais 17,000, I believe, plus
islands.
So when you say this island,that island, it's just like so
many islands.
So that's where I came from,man.
(24:34):
And if you're remote, if youlive in a or you're born into,
if you're indonesian and you'reborn into a family who live in a
remote village that there's noelectricity, there's no access
of like car or anything likethat, you do, that's your.
I mean, that's your uh, for oneof my close friends actually
(24:54):
couldn't read and write.
He's almost 40 now.
Couldn't read and write Justbecause of the environment that
he grew up in.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So it's the first thing that when I chat to most
people, they think Bali is acountry and I'm like no, no, no,
Bali is an island, it's part ofIndonesia.
The overall population ofIndonesia it's about 200 million
, isn't it?
17,000 islands.
And, interestingly, when youwent to this man and you asked
for support, the first thingthat he instilled in you was
your own personal care, your ownfitness, your own training.
(25:25):
You're a huge advocate ofhealthy body, healthy mind,
right.
But it starts first andforemost with your physical care
.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
When you are strong, you feel strong.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, yeah.
That's something that I thinkis missing a lot, because right
now, like certainly in theWestern world, there's this
enormous interest in therapy andpsychology and people.
You know they're sitting down,they're chatting their hearts
out and everything like that,but there's a lack of, let's say
, priority for your ownphysical-care.
So people are eating like crapand they're wondering why.
(25:57):
They're depressed, yeah, andare physically like they're not
moving at all, and they'rewondering why there's such
anxiety in their bodies and noneof the therapies start with an
emphasis on fresh air exercise.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Exercise, I mean exercise, man.
There's a science man.
It's like release the goodhormone things like BDNF,
brain-derived neurotrophicfactor, you know, and dopamine,
you know, oxytocin.
It makes you feel good when youjust move, like go for a run,
do some push-ups.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Sorry, I think I should come in on this, but as
Daddy is saying like, oh, oh,you know, just go for a run or
do some push-ups, daddyintroduced me to really opening
my body.
The kind of idea is that as webreathe into our lungs, oxygen
goes into our blood and thatblood circulates through our
body and brings that oxygen toour body and really wakes us up
but also clears out anythingthat's perhaps stagnant, not
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serving.
And daddy's training for me waslike jamie, learn to open your
body, learn to breathe deeplyand open your body so you can
get your oxygen all throughoutyour body, throughout the body,
and you can get whatever isinside that needs to get out.
Yeah, and it is, uh, it's beenan incredible yeah.
That training philosophy for mehas been incredible of like
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work on your breathing, work onthe range of movements, work on
your circulation and really letenergy flow through you and out
of you.
And I kind of think it makes ahell of a lot of sense, like you
need to.
Well, if you think about it asa computer, yep, and if you
think about it as a computerthat's got loads of files and
everything all over the place,you need to clean up that
computer first, and foremost,before you start really seeing
(27:34):
it come to use.
Yeah, okay, so training has.
Training is like a foundationfoundation.
Education is the second and youreally leaned into yep, into
that side of things, and thenyou really got into personal
development and self-help yep,uh, mentors.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I, I think, have learn along.
Listen to the audiobooks,listen to podcasts, it's great.
But if you have mentors andthis is what I really I think I
really love the work that you do, you use you support
individuals to transform theirclient, to get results, and I
(28:23):
think all of us, we need mentors.
I have mentors.
In fact, I am a personaltrainer.
I have a personal trainer.
You know what I mean.
I learn more when I hire apersonal trainer, although I am
a personal trainer.
And then when I went there, Icultivated this white belt
mentality.
(28:43):
I came from a point of like Idon't know.
I hired first not Ian, but Iwent to Ian and I was like I
want to learn from you, I know,you know Ian.
And then I went to all the goodhandstands masters and I said
(29:04):
hey.
And Dylan, I say, sir, what canI do for you If you can please
help me learn handstands andsame with business.
I believe you have to havementors.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, I think it's such an unbelievable no-brainer.
Yeah, like I find.
Well, like I found myselfreally having to justify why
someone would engage with acoach, and I think most people
actually understand why they doit physically like you know, if
you're going to the gym, it's adifferent workout altogether.
If somebody's there supportingyou through the process and also
(29:38):
letting you kind of leveragetheir learnings, yeah.
But when it comes to, let's say, a relationship, yeah, it's
just this kind of idea of like,oh, why would you talk to a
coach?
It's like, well, if I'mstruggling in my relationship,
surely it would make sense toengage with somebody that does
this, as their expertise, knowsthe issues that come up, knows
how to help you through them andcan support you in realizing
(29:58):
your best self it's like oh,never thought of it.
Like that way.
And then when it comes tobusiness.
But like in so many areas ofbusiness, like when it comes to
your own personal leadership,when it comes to your
communication skills yeah, likeI have engaged with so many
coaches because I just recognizethere's such incredible value
and I'm amazed that like thereis a coach for everything.
(30:20):
Like I used to have hugestruggles in terms of
communications and having hardconversations with people until
I worked with a coach, andhugely helpful yeah are when it
came to money management andinvestments.
Yeah, really, really helpfulyeah, but it's, it's an odd one
it's almost like coaching isyeah, it's, it's, let's say it's
a fast evolving space right now, but it is interesting how
people know it, understand andappreciate in the physical sense
(30:43):
, but don't quite appreciate inall the other spheres of life
that can really stand to you,and so this has been a huge
benefit to you.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, mentors, if anything like, um, because
mentors if I'm anything todayit's just because of them.
Mentors like my mom Made.
And then all Then through thatjourney, it was just mentors,
because I ask questions, I askfor help and then some willingly
(31:11):
help some.
I have to invest and I alsobelieve in the idea that when
you pay, you pay attention.
Oh my God, yes, bro, when youpay and you invest.
One of investment in personaldevelopment was $5,000
(31:32):
Australian dollars.
At that time I invested in oneof my coaches named Chris, and
it was scary man.
I was like, oh my God, this isa lot of money and I commit.
He introduced me to a whole newworld that I had no idea about.
Like, oh man, I was like it was$50,000 actually, but it's like
(31:57):
the worth of knowledge, thevalue came back to me.
But first this survivalinstinct or this, one could say,
the small daddy, kind of like,oh my God, that's a lot of money
.
But look at me.
I've written multiple books.
Because of this guy I becomewho I am today.
(32:18):
Because of this guy.
I I become who I am today isbecause of that guy.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah honestly, I've had this as well, where I'm like
going to invest into a programor something like that and the
fees scare me.
Every time I've gotten likedisproportionately more value
than what I've invested inbecause, again, I think that
like leaning on the shoulders ofsomebody who's followed, yeah,
(32:43):
sorry who's?
Led the way in terms of thefootsteps that you're following,
and he can show you.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Oh no, don't go for that, yeah, and if you're gonna
go make that decision, here'sthe right person to talk exactly
so helpful yeah, it's thesystem that they will provide
you, it's the connection, it'sthe environment, the ecosystem,
because at the end of the day,it's about that as well.
What you paid is not only that,but the access to knowledge to
(33:10):
people you know, okay, so your.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
So your mom instilled this in you from a young age
and ever since you've beenfollowing this premises of like
whatever I'm up to, whatever Ineed help with, find the person
to support, find the person toto ask, and you know whether
it's a favor or whether it's aninvestment.
Investment, you know, providedI've done the calculations on it
right, it's going to add to me,it's going to contribute, and
(33:35):
you've built all this on afoundation of kind of fostering
your own best energy first andforemost.
So look after yourself, leaninto others.
I'm really curious.
I kind of want to poke a littlebit further and be like what
else?
comes up for you in terms oflike.
Really it is for me kind of thefascination I had on this
podcast is like what are thetools that people have applied
(33:55):
in their lives to success?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
yeah, what are the kind of?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
the key lessons that complement somebody to where
they are where does the bigheart come from?
Like you know, you talked allabout essentially that
foundation that you've set up,where you were helping all these
kids speak english, think moreentrepreneurially.
Where do you think that?
Where do you think that visionand that desire to help others
(34:17):
came from?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I believe that comes from the man who changed
basically my life, the wholejourney of my life, and that is
my day and that instilled.
If I were to narrow it down toone word, that word would be
caring.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Okay, that's it caring all right, because he
supported you voluntarily.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, yeah he, he would like, because he he one
could say he didn't have to, buthe was, he did, he did.
And then I am today because ofthat One help.
So from that day on I say, okay, care.
(35:02):
That's why I call this schoolpeduli Peduli.
In English it means care, and Iwant to instill this again to
these kids that you need to careabout your future, hey kid.
You need to care about yourhealth care about your future,
hey kid, you need to care aboutyour health.
(35:23):
You need to care about your youknow um your school.
You need to care about yourparents.
You need to care about care, tocare about your community yeah,
these are kind of?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I don't know why and like maybe it's my experience
there's a, there's a one for meto say, oh, back home, but no,
you know, it's my experiencereally that, like these kind of
principles, these values havefallen in priority as of late
(35:57):
for so many um also like, yeah,caring for others around you,
those doses like it's, it's kindof become socially accessible
to hate your parents and a lotin a lot of the kind of
therapies.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yes, it's in your parents.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, I think it's a bit of a cop that in a lot of
regards.
I I think, it's really sad,yeah, and people are missing.
There's so many people saying,oh, I'm missing a sense of
community.
You can create it very quickly,and the best place to create it
(36:32):
is essentially just saying heyhow can I help?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
How can I help?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I'd say you're a popular man in the local
community.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
if you're looking after everybody's kids and I'd
say you're a popular man in thelocal community if you're
looking after everybody's kidsyeah, man, 250 kids and almost
everywhere I go in thatcommunity they know my name but
I don't know their name.
They're like Pa Dede, pa Dede.
I was like, oh cool, this isgreat and I just want to share
in regard to the idea.
(36:57):
In regard the idea, caring isthat in life, I believe that
caring is the soil thatnourishes.
It's like without it, let's say, if I don't care about my
partner, if I don't care aboutmy well-being, you know there's,
(37:20):
no, there's nothing to nourishin that life, in my life.
So caring is the soil, you know, that nourishes, that that will
help you grow in life like Iget an idea of what that looks
like for you.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Is actually you getting up at 4 am is self-care.
You taking time to meditate isself-care.
It's probably uncomfortablegetting up at 4 am, but you know
that fosters your best selfright.
Likewise, showing up for thecommunity the way you do and
caring for other people Still alot of energy in that, but you
(37:59):
know it serves a higher purposein you, right?
Yeah, yeah, I I'm.
I'm kind of finding itinteresting at the moment the
way everybody's talking aboutmanifesting.
Everybody wants to manifestabundance and wealth and career
and all that, and I think whatpeople don't quite prioritize
enough is that karma is like thefuel for manifesting the more
(38:24):
we care for others and alsoourselves the more power we have
when it comes to manifesting.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
You're right and to just add on that, brother Jamie,
is that you manifest not somuch about what you want or what
you desire.
I believe, and this is whatI've learned personally, you
manifest who you are.
That's it.
That's the key, who you are,who you are as a person.
(38:55):
Are you a caring, loving as aperson?
Are you a caring, loving,peaceful, gentle human being?
Or you are this nasty, angry,unhappy, full of hatred being?
And if you are that person andyou try to manifest and you talk
about manifestation, justforget it.
If that makes sense.
(39:15):
It's like your identity impactsyour income, impact and
influence.
You like your identity impactyour income impact and influence
.
Yeah, you shift your identity.
Your income impact, influence,changes it.
They will change, but youridentity, who are you as a
person?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
can I pull that back a bit and just break it down?
Okay, so what I'm hearing fromthere is that one, when it comes
to actually manifesting thelife that you want for yourself,
you can't actually betray whoyou are.
You can't fake it.
No, you cannot carer.
(39:55):
When you're like, oh, I want to, I want to manifest a life
where I'm this billionairebusiness person or politician or
whatever it's like, there's adisconnect that's not in you,
that's not the heart root.
So you can, you can try tomanifest it all you want, but
what you're doing is you'remanifesting something that
you're not, in which case, yeah,so actually the real, a first
(40:21):
kind of part of manifestation,is actually just figuring out
who are you.
And then, when it comes to like, bringing that to life, yeah,
you can bring to life who youare inside.
You can't bring to lifesomething that you're not Okay,
and then then your second pointis almost kind of in line with
what I was sharing about karma.
It's that if you're being a dick, if you're not being nice to
(40:42):
those around you, if you'reactually and also as well if
you're not enjoying your life ina true sense, then God bless
you, but you're just not goingto be able to manifest anything
different because you're in toomuch of, let's say, a trauma
loop, whereas if you areactually really sharing your
kindness and care not just notjust with everybody else, but
(41:03):
also yourself, yes that's thefuel that allows you to become
more of who you are already, andit fuels that manifestational
energy.
Would that be fair?
Speaker 1 (41:13):
yes, yes, and I believe in the idea of who you
are is so important.
The question is that I think inancient Greek, before you enter
a temple of Apollodelfy,there's an inscription that read
know thyself the idea of knowthyself.
(41:34):
You have to know who you trulyare and then what you want and
how you show up in the world.
It's the key because oraclesbecause that's the whole idea
you go there, Temple ofApollodelfy, to ask for the
oracles to give you guidanceabout your future, but the
oracles know the secret.
Hey, before you enter thebuilding, read the inscription
(41:58):
you have to know yourself firstwhen I checked my personal
journey right I went to I.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I really subscribed to like motivational,
inspirational content originally, so like I really subscribed to
tony robinson yes, like go, go,go go to that inspiration, and
that took me so far until itdidn't like.
You know, there's only so muchyou can motivate yourself to be
savagely burnout and it was inthat moment of burnout that I
was really confronted by that.
It's like, jamie, you can onlymuscle through so many blocks
(42:28):
and obstacles before they get ontop of you.
You need to figure out who youare, yeah, and rebuild your life
from that true, authentic place, because that's the kind of
like trajectory that essentiallycan just keep going and going
and going.
You can't, I suppose, besomething that you're not for an
(42:49):
everlasting basis.
It might work for a littlewhile, but it really won't last
you for too long.
But you can.
If you take time to figure outwho you are, you can always be
more of yourself.
You can always expand anddevelop and grow provided you're
being true to yourself.
Yeah, it's the foundation ofself-discovery.
Needs to be there.
That know thyself.
(43:09):
That know thyself.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Yeah, so, so important.
That's actually primary, and ifyou observe all the books that
I've ever written and will beit's, they will bring your
attention back to that point ofasking yourself the question who
am I?
What do I want?
How do I want to show up?
(43:31):
If I were to show up as thegreatest version of myself today
, what would that look like like?
How would that feel like?
And if I am the abundant like,if I want to attract abundance
into my life, am I live?
How am I showing up?
Am I showing up as a abundantversion of me or this?
(43:57):
You know so it's like you.
You attract who you are, notwhat you want, but who, who you
are and who you are being.
Are you and are you puttingyourselves in an energy elevate
or could say, I love elevatedenergy, where you feel Abundant,
you feel strong, you feel good,you feel happy, because those
(44:20):
are the energy that will attractthe things that you want into
your life.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I see this a lot with goal setting, where people
generally set goals at a placeof rock bottom, where they're
down, they're out of sorts andthey think I'd like this for
myself and I'd like that formyself and I'm going to set a
big goal and a lofty ambition tohave this much money in this
career, in this relationship,this kind of home.
And they look at the list and italmost hammers the point of
(44:47):
they're not where they want tobe and it unfortunately sees
them thinking less of wherethey're at and they get a bit
upset yeah and they're like andthen the work from there is like
well, I'm gonna work throughthis through this, yeah and,
unfortunately speaking, Igenerally see that like as this
weird personal developmentjourney that takes somebody on a
downward spiral, yeah, wherethey're more frustrated with
(45:07):
themselves, more upset withthemselves and more upset with
the world, as a result whereas Ikind of got that picture when
you were sharing your kind ofquestion that you ask yourself,
I kind of saw you at 4 ammeditating where you would ask
yourself, like if I could showup as best as possible today,
what would that look like?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
what would that look?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
like if I was to do all that I could and just even
try and improve my circumstances.
One percent.
Today, my gut instinct tells methat you don't even need to
think about big goals oranything like that if you just
carry that philosophy, you'll,ultimately speaking, end up in a
better place that far exceedswhatever you could imagine up
for yourself and goes, and it'sa much nicer approach to life as
(45:45):
well, where you're enjoyingyour days.
So much of my like, let's say,pre-burnout philosophy for life
was sacrifice today for tomorrow.
For tomorrow It'll be miserableand it'll be shit, but it'll
make sense tomorrow.
And they never got that.
Tomorrow they never got.
It fucking never came.
And I got so bitter and soupset I was like, fuck all this
wellness, it's not working thisis not working.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
yeah, um, I love dr joe dispense.
I don't know if you know dr joedispenses work and, uh, I love
the whole idea of be greaterthan your body, your mind and
your environment If you want toreally know who you are.
Go beyond that, go beyond thepeople, the, the shame, the
(46:33):
guilt, whatever that's going oninside your body, and that's the
meditation that I've been likedoing and I'm like wow, dr j, no
, joe dispenser, this is, this,is it works like?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
magic, just so I like to compare notes here.
So with joe, what I take fromthose kind of practices is that
his philosophy is that when youmeditate and for whatever it is
that you're working on orworking towards, you put
yourself a year in and youmeditate of like okay, what
would it be like to to be livingthis life that I'm working
(47:05):
towards in a year's time?
What would it feel like?
How would I be showing up inlife?
What decisions would I bemaking?
yeah, and then you take thatself that you've visioned up for
yourself in a year's time intoyour present and you start
conducting and moving throughlife from that point of future
right.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, it's so cool.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
I love it.
I yeah.
I unfortunately inhaled a hellof a lot of his content.
I just think his whole idea oflike essentially rewiring your
brain.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Because for me a lot of like, let's say the medit and
this and the wellness world canbe a little bit yeah, and he's
put real practical science,practical yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
And I always say like , oh, joe dispenser, he's the
man who's really figuring outthe science of spirituality yeah
, it's, it's if you can shiftthe mind set from survival mode
to more elevated emotions suchas joy, bliss or blissfulness,
(48:08):
or then, and then you operateyour life from that and you
leave your like, let's say,let's say start from morning
till noon.
You show up as that person andthis is the mantra that I use,
uh, every day.
I, I would say to myself today,wherever I go, I will create a
(48:28):
joyful, peaceful and lovingworld, within and without.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah when you share that right.
It's bringing up this thoughtthat I have at the moment that
the more we focus ourselves onthings that we can't control and
the more we're distracted bythe news, the war and the
(48:55):
disease and the upset in theworld and the possible financial
crash and the election that'scoming up.
The more we put our attentioninto what we can't control, the
more it takes our attention awayfrom what we can control.
And I think people feel thatthere is a big responsibility to
be informed.
Yeah, but I feel that thatresponsibility actually doesn't
(49:17):
serve.
And if one were to take all theenergy that we're spending
concentrating on that I've beenso depressed to take it into
their day to day with yourphilosophy of like, be the
change that you want to be ableto see in the world, show up as
best as you can share somekindness, share some care, share
some real love.
(49:37):
I think, yeah, I think we're ina hell of a lot better place.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, whatever that you focus on expands, right.
Yeah, so if you put your energy, even the things, into the
things that you don't like,guess what?
You get more of the same of thethings that you don't like.
If you discipline your mind tojust focus, let's say, on the
things that you want.
What do you want, I want to seelove.
(50:00):
Discipline your mind to justfocus, let's say, on the things
that you want.
What do you want?
I want to see love.
I want to see people care forone another.
I want to see peace, I want tosee a joy.
So then I want to commit myselfto just focus on those things.
And I'm well aware of like theworld is collapsing, but this is
(50:22):
the reality that I want tocreate and I move towards that
direction.
And usually people around you,they either follow that
direction or they would fallaway from that direction.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
I'm getting this weird limit right and I'm
sometimes confronted by, I see,a very like upset, depressed,
damn person who's like jamie,you know, this is going on in
the world.
This is going on in the world.
You need to be aware, aware ofthis.
Yeah, like you don't know, oh,you don't know, you need to know
.
And they're sitting in thisbubble of real upset, real heavy
(50:58):
, tough energy and there's afeeling of like that's the way
we should go about life.
And they look at me sometimesthey're like what are you up to?
You're in this like bubble,this like fake life.
Oh, you're so light, you're soat ease.
You're.
When are you going to come back?
Speaker 1 (51:14):
down to the real world and I.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
I find that so interesting that people feel
it's almost a responsibility tosit in doom and gloom.
Yeah, and, and, and, and, andand really question anybody that
is moving away from that.
Yeah, and it seemed to be likedisrespectful not to be aware.
Yeah, but, but of course I gotit on the other side, when
(51:39):
you're blissfully happy andyou're suffering, then it's a
bit hard.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
It's hard.
But here's the thing, though,brother how do you solve a
problem if you are in thatproblem?
If you are in that bottle, youcannot see the label outside of
that bottle, the reason why youshould get yourselves out of the
obviously your environment, theproblem, what's going on in
(52:03):
your head?
People depress, why?
Because they just go throughthese same thoughts over and
over and over for years, andthen they become bigger and
bigger and bigger, and thenthat's what happens.
So, but if you meditate anddevelop, be able to get
yourselves out of that, then youcan see your life, you can see
(52:26):
your problem.
You can see the problem aroundthe world, like I see the
problem in the world with thelack of education, poverty.
Do I complain about it?
No, I do something about itbecause that's the real problem.
You know what I mean I.
I see the needs in market.
They need more properties andbecause everything okay.
(52:47):
I because I see clearly fromthe higher perspective.
But if I were to be like in myproblem?
Look at me.
I have this problem.
Life is full of problem.
What I attract?
More of the same, more problems.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Really interesting, really interesting.
So, at the same stage, you'reholding a level of, let's say,
responsibility.
Yeah, yeah, do you know what?
I'm going to foster my energy.
I'm not going to smother myselfin this doom and gloom and you
know what, with the energy thatwould be otherwise depressed by
all of that.
I'm going to take that and I'mgoing to do something good for
(53:23):
myself.
Yep, I'm going to share somecare and some love and give back
as best as I can.
That and that's, yeah, yourwhole philosophy.
I'm going to do something aboutit rather than just sitting in
it, rather than being depressed,I'm going to just do something
about it action, action, actionaction.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yeah, and I mean I was in that place as well like
being depressed when I'm indepressed mode is because I just
think of myself there's only somuch that I can give to myself.
Like, in a day, how many timescan I feed myself?
Maybe three, four, five times,but I can feed hundreds of
(53:59):
people unlimited.
Like I can feed people, I cangive.
But if I only focus on myself,like if I just centered, and
that's when I experienceddepression Because, okay, I feed
myself.
Now I watch Netflix and then eata lot of, like crab food and
(54:22):
whatnot, so that's it, that's it.
But if I were to go out intothe world and then care for
these kids and then create somechange, build something, connect
with the team, do something, Ihave this energy, you see.
So for me, I personally wouldgo down that route of go out
there and then contribute, thensitting at home, just being with
(54:46):
myself and feel sorry aboutmyself, about things, about
whatever that's going on in mylife.
So I was in that place, butI've learned that I'd rather go
down that route of go out intothe world and then contribute.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
That used to be my, so I got through all sorts of
depressive spells.
And that used to be my kind ofmy way of pulling myself out,
that I would generally, I'd putup a post on Instagram or
something like that and I'm likedoes anybody need any help with
?
anything I'm available, and Iwas always like it was
interesting because for me, whatI found one was that, generally
(55:20):
speaking, what people would askfor help would help me identify
a skill inside me and and then,in showing up for another
person, it gave me a sense of,of purpose and um, and yeah,
purpose focus energy and yeah,purpose focus energy flows.
I rebuilt my confidence, Irebuilt myself in those
(55:40):
instances, yeah, and it'sactually very, very simple.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah, what can I give ?
How can I be of service?
That's the question I ask myteam also to ask themselves what
can you?
Speaker 2 (55:54):
give, whereas on the flip side of that, what you
notice is that whenever you getyourself depressed and I say get
yourself it's self-induced.
And it's self-induced becauseyou're over-focusing on yourself
.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
Over-focusing on yourself.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
yes, and what does that look like?
Over-focusing on yourself?
Is that like, oh, you get tootied up in your training or you
get too obsessed about your work?
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yeah, Okay, it's me, I make everything about me, I
take everything personally.
It's me, me, me.
To be honest, no one cares thewhole idea of what would Jamie
think about me.
We all have that thought.
What would that guy think of me?
(56:35):
And then I just think about me,me, me, me.
As a result of that, when westarted this podcast, I asked
like what's um, you know who'syour audience, and because I I
want to come from that place oflike, what can I give here?
Yeah, how can I be of servicehere?
How can I be?
How can I?
What can I give to brotherjamie here?
And when I shift that focus, Ifeel empowered, I feel good, I
(56:59):
have no fear, because my wholebeing is all about being of
service.
But if I were like, well, howdo I look?
You know, if I just focus on me, you see how I'm going to be
anxious about the whole thing,and then I don't think you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
So are you in a practical sense be anxious about
the whole thing, and then Idon't think you know what I mean
.
Like so I get a practical sense, say I go to the shop and say
that the, the person behind thecounter, is rude to me.
I can look at that in two ways.
One they're being rude anddisrespectful to me and I can
kind of think like well, youknow, what did I do to warrant
that?
Why are they being rude to me?
Or I can recognize they'veprobably had a really tough day.
This has nothing to do with me.
(57:39):
One frame of mind issympathetic and the other one is
really ill positioning myselfactually and it's it's really
taking up kind of anintrospection.
Yeah, like, what did I do todeserve this?
Why is this happening to me?
That breaks me on a bit of aspiral, and now and then it's
(58:01):
showing up in this podcast.
It's like, oh, do I look okay?
Speaker 1 (58:04):
am I speaking correctly?
Am I speaking correctly?
Am I grammatically correct inall this?
Speaker 2 (58:08):
yeah, and over analyzing and essentially
overthinking ourselves are.
Just hey, I'm gonna open upshare for it'll work for the
right people and for the othersit won't.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
And that's okay.
That's okay too nice everyoneeveryone so like.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
A recipe for disaster is one yeah thinking, thinking
that it's all about you, notactually understanding that
everybody else is strugglingwith their own things and yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Okay, pains and all that.
I think there's a book calledFour Agreements by Don Miguel.
Yeah, miguel, and be impeccablewith your words.
Don't take anything personally,don't make assumptions and
always do your best.
Those are the four agreements.
Yeah Right, impeccable whatdoes that mean?
Usually, people would use wordsto hammer themselves.
Agreements Impeccable what doesthat mean?
(58:59):
Usually, people would use wordsto hammer themselves
Self-judgment, self-criticism.
If that's it, they're not beingimpeccable with their words and
they basically use the tools tosmash themselves it.
(59:20):
You're holding on to the hammerrather than hammer the nails.
You hammer yourself and thendon't take anything personally,
because everybody is strugglingwith their own life situation
and you have to be kind and beloving to watch.
(59:40):
And this is what I really loveabout the example that you gave
and being the one that comesfrom the compassionate place.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yeah, it's interesting, kind of going back
to your philosophy of, let's say, looking after yourself, that
number one is actually a levelof personal discipline and
self-care, whether that'sexercise or whatever.
But then two, it's like reallymaster your mind what mastering?
Your mind looks like is notbeating the shit out of yourself
, but being kind, beingunderstanding and becoming.
You're essentially your ownbest friend.
(01:00:15):
For years, I went to the hockeywith myself for years like I go
to the ski track stage andeverything in my head is running
like Jamie, you're going tofuck this up, you're going to
make a mess here, but workingwith myself to be like we're
going to do this has been huge.
And then the care, that idea ofbeing the change that you want
(01:00:35):
to see in the world, rather thangetting wrapped up in, perhaps,
what it's not, what it's not,rather than obsessing over that,
actually just getting in, stuckin and doing something about it
it's cool, really cool, daddy.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Thank you for sharing your time.
Brother, thank you so much.
Thank you so much for having meand it's been a pleasure, and
if anybody wants to connect withyou, what's the best way?
Ah, instagram.
I have a company called OamoaValley Properties.
If they're interested ininvestment in properties or they
can connect Also the impactleaders.
(01:01:07):
I help leaders, especiallybusiness owners, to become a
leader that everyone loves.
You know everyone also.
It's on my instagram calleddaddy tn um.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah, they can find me there as well cool, and if
anybody wants to make a donation, send me a dm.
I don't help with that.
I'd love that cool.
Sorry, an absolute pleasure man, thank you thank you.
Daddy, how many titles do you have?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I Like how many titles, because you seem to do
so many things.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I actually own, I call it the three P's, which is
personal empowerment or personalcoach.
So I help people take them from, one could say, low self-esteem
to high self-confidence.
They don't have like, uh, dailyhabits of power and I kind of
like help them with how theirstructure in terms of their
(00:31):
daily habits of power, uh,that's like personal coach, I
call it.
And then also property.
I call it the proper property.
So investment, passive incomeand all that stuff.
And then, last but not least,which is Peduli, which is a
foundation that I founded tohelp local kids learn how to
(00:56):
speak English, entrepreneurship,how to basically learn what you
are doing, like teaching aboutentrepreneurship, business and
all that leadershipcommunication skills.
So if I say to my partner babe,if you, if you cannot find me
at peduli, you will find me inproperty.
(01:19):
If you, if you cannot find methere, you'll find me there,
you'll find me a personal coach.
Yeah, it's three-piece.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I've always been quite an archer.
I remember we met in Nirvanaand Nirvana was like this mecca
of training that I found myselfin a few years ago, where it's
so much more than a gym.
There's a huge emphasis interms of learning about your
body and training in reallydifferent ways, and you're my
coach there.
So thank you and then, but Iremember you so motivating and
(01:52):
so inspiring and that like it'squite.
Some of the exercises are sodifficult.
It's kind of I'm trying to justkind of think of like one of
the exercises but it's like do ashoulder press whilst in the
splits and it's very testing.
Um, but the way in which oneyou taught the class was amazing
and then inspired people tofeel comfortable in those savage
(02:13):
times of discomfort.
Yeah, it was, uh, was special.
Yeah, but yeah, the more I'vekind of learned.
Eventually you're like a kindof a fine onion or something.
because, ah, you're not just thecoach in your banana, you're
also a life coach working withpeople personally.
It's not just that, you're alsoinvesting in property.
And then it's not just that aswell.
(02:33):
You set up almost like afoundation with the school.
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yes, the foundation.
Now we have 250 kids now.
We started with only three kids, literally, and from that three
kids we started in our garageand then we found ourselves with
(02:59):
30 kids just too many in thatgarage.
And then from that garage wemove into the backyard.
But backyard it's not reallycongestive for the learning
environment because the kidsspend most of their time chasing
after the paper instead of likelearn.
(03:20):
And then that's how we like, welike, okay, we need to build,
and so a building, because weare that's kind of like our
expertise we build, building,and so we build a school for
these kids.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
This is a school you self-funded yes set up to
support kids after school for acouple of hours to help them
think more entrepreneurial toteach them the entrepreneurial
skills that they don't learn inschool right yes to hopefully
help set them up to be all themore independent as they
progress in life yes, so thatthat's the, the vision, so
(03:56):
self-funded.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And then friends and family they, they came in and
they're like, oh, I really likethis.
They came in and they're like,oh, I really like this.
For example, like Naomi, shecame and shared her skills, her
time and her heart with thesekids and, yeah, it's very
(04:18):
impactful for these kids tolearn from a wonderful person
like Naomi and I'd love to seeyou there as well.
I feel guilty now that you'resaying that the kids, they would
love to learn from you, right,jamie?
I love it, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Like it's quite a big thing.
Most people can barely manageone career let alone the so
you've got your, I think likelet's say, your front and center
of coaching.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And then with the money.
I kind of get the impressionthat with the money from that
you invested yourself intoproperty and you've now like
you've a bunch of buildings.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, we have about 10, like 12 villas, and then at
the moment we are working onbuilding another three villas,
and these are ones that you like, you rent, you do up you buy,
these are owned.
Some rent, renovate and rent.
That's the model that we used.
But now we move away from thatmodel of rent, renovate, rent to
(05:18):
buy, build and sell.
So we just own the land.
I'm so grateful, being local,you have that.
We just own the land.
I'm so grateful, being local,you have that privilege to own
the land.
So that's kind of like ourmodel now we just buy the land
and we build it.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Wow okay, and then not only that, you're like
actually you know what I want togive back to my community as
well.
I want to support others aroundme.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, amor Bali Properties means giving back
properties that give back.
That's kind of like our slogan.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Okay, so you actually you want to do good for your
community, but you recognizethat you need to fill your cup
first, so you do that throughthe properties and they enable
you to serve a greater impact.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
yes, yeah, um, I like the idea I think there's a
example of that like you have toput the oxygen mask yeah, first
on you and I I call it personalempowerment.
Um, I'm so grateful to be in,uh, one could say, in the point
of my life.
Now, where I own my own house,I don't have to worry about
(06:29):
survival, like the things isthat you have to go out there of
the survival mode in order foryou to be that person, in order
for you to live to your fullestpotential, you have to get out
of the survival mode.
If every day, you get up in themorning and you worry about the
landlord, you know if he wouldjust come in and I say, hey, get
out of the house.
Or if you rent, and it's likeyou know, the survival instincts
(06:54):
always haunt you, because I wasthere, brother Jamie, where you
just worry about this stuff.
So I had a plan at that timeLike I want to own my house, not
30 years from now, but now.
How so?
Properties like flipping it'sspecial in Bali.
It gives you that, yeah, itgives you that ability to do so,
(07:18):
and so I'm so grateful OnceI've done that and taken care of
my family and I say, okay, whatcan I give now?
And then started with kids.
I think education is the key tochange.
What happened now is that local, their parents, let's say, work
(07:43):
for companies.
The salary is only 3 million,for example, per month and they
already spent the first at the 3million in the first week and
they have the three.
So just yeah, just as a bit ofcontext for anybody listening on
, 3 million indian indian rupiahwill be less than 200 euros so
(08:04):
yeah, salary, salaries here,salaries here, and also working
hours working hours is crazyeight to ten hours, sometimes 12
hours and so what happened inthat dilemma is that they have
four or five kids they cannotafford it to to send to school,
to pay for the tuition, to learnenglish, and a lot of business
(08:25):
owners or restaurants complainabout that.
They don't speak English orthey cannot speak.
Well, what can we do about it?
We can sit and complain aboutit.
We can do something about it.
So then, for me, I say I'm adoer, and this is what I really
love about your podcast as wellyou encourage people to take
(08:45):
action, to do you know, becauseI think you've got to do.
If you just look at things andjust complain about it, for me I
just take action.
Okay, this is the problem.
To change that, we need toprovide them a safe space for
them to learn and grow,especially English.
(09:06):
The one lesson that I want thekids, the one skill, is English,
because English allows me toconnect with you, brother, and
English opens doors doors likemany doors, but you have to be
(09:28):
proficient with the language,and so that's why the primary
skill that we teach these kidsEnglish and then, after that, we
apply English intoentrepreneurship,
entrepreneurship within theentrepreneurship.
We teach them aboutcommunication skills, leadership
skills, social skills.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, teddy, what inspired you to do this?
Because when most people arelike struggling to survive, and
then for those that have kind ofgone beyond that point, it's
kind of quite easy to get lostin greed and just accumulating
and accumulating wealth, greedand just accumulating and
(10:08):
accumulating wealth.
Why do you think you didn'tkind of just settle in your
comfort and instead decided tohave such a strong kind of
motivation to give back and tolook after those around you?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Great question, rana.
My mission, or one could say,vision in life is to that one
day, when I die, I'll be thepoorest man in that graveyard,
if that makes sense.
What I mean is like I want tospend, spend in terms of all,
like my talents, my skills.
(10:35):
I want to give my money in thatcase as well, like skills,
money, resources, money,resources.
Because if this is the mostpowerful questions that I really
like, the Steve Jobs askhimself all the time If today
was my last day, how would Ilive it?
You see, what motivated me isthat idea.
(10:58):
How would I live this day if Iknew it was my last?
Yeah, I want to, you know.
If so, get up in the morning.
I just it was my last.
I wanna, you know.
If so, get up in the morning.
I just like, okay, I wanna dothis, I wanna do that, I wanna
write, I wanna speak, I wanna sothat I can give, I can
contribute, and I love.
This is also what I love aboutyour reels and the things that
(11:21):
the content that you put outthere is about growth, because
growth, I believe, with givingare inseparable.
You cannot give if you're notgrowing.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I was so keen to dip into this with you because, to
be honest, I meet so manyheart-centered types that give
so much of themselves butunfortunately, they forgot to
look after themselves.
And their capacity to givedepreciates.
It gets less and less and to thepoint that actually they really
can't look after themselvesthat well and they kind of get
frustrated and burnt off by life, and I find it really sad
(12:01):
because sometimes I meet, youknow, people that were giving,
so giving of themselves, and nowthey're upset about it, and
they and they, theyunfortunately they've they've,
let's say, fallen in terms oftheir own self-care, that
they're're a shell of themselves, and if they only did, what I
feel is so inspiring in yourselfis if they only concentrated on
one second.
I'm going to get my base sorted.
(12:21):
First and foremost, I'm goingto move myself from that
survival point to actually likethis confident, grounded space
where I can really think thatbit more visionary.
I'll be able to do so much more, and I feel it's a thing that a
lot of very heart-centeredtypes miss.
But you seem to have nailed andgotten right.
(12:43):
You put your mask on, first andforemost, and now you are
actively helping some of theother people.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, and that's where I wrote that book.
Brother jamie, empower yourself.
Um, empower yourself basicallypointed to this what you just
said.
This truth is that you have tofirst take care of your energy
exercise, eat well uh, you haveto take care of your mindset,
(13:11):
cultivate growth mindset.
You have to have a life purpose, because these are the things
that will give you the energyright.
And then you have to engage inongoing self-improvement because
, like everything, you're eithergreen and growing or ripe and
rotting.
Right, and the willingness tolearn, the willingness to open
(13:36):
yourself to new experience, andethical, like work ethic that
actually matters.
Like in my team, I instilledthis idea of care you go out
there, don't think about themoney, don't think about the
fame, don't think about themoney, don't think about the
fame, don't think about allthese things.
Just come from the place ofcare.
(13:59):
Like, truly care about theperson, the clients, because it
matters.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
People will come back and like I want to do business
with you because how you make mefeel you care about me, you
know I love that you're eithergreen and growing, and I kind of
think that that there's a partof me that it took me a little
(14:26):
bit of time to actuallyunderstand that.
But I was like, oh wait asecond.
Actually, yeah, because whenyou're, let's say, when you're
happy with yourself, when you'recontent content with yourself
and you take a break, in thatyou sit back, in that you do
start to rot.
Yeah, but if you continuallykind of move that point of
satisfaction on a little bit sothat you're always ripening.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, you're green and ripening.
You're all the time growing,expanding.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Lovely.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, I really like that.
Yeah, I really like that.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I really like that.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I think tony robbins said it really well as well
progress equal happiness yeah,yeah, I I find that when we
settle in yeah, unfortunately wecontract, exactly yeah, and
settling feels good it's likeit's awkward.
In our comfort zone, it'slovely, but we contract and it
(15:16):
becomes all the harder to getout of that bubble, whereas on
the opposite of that, like whenwe're pushing ourselves, when
we're going beyond our comfortzone, it's uncomfortable, it's
disorientating.
Generally speaking, it's quitechallenging to our confidence.
But we go home at the end ofthe day with a smile on our face
, we sleep better than we donormally.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
We enjoy our meals more because they're earned.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
We enjoy all the nice things all the more, and we
thrive.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, I like this concept of 1%, only 1%.
How am I doing with my health?
How am I doing with my wealth?
How am I doing with myrelationship?
How am I doing with my business?
Can I improve only 1% today?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know what if you improve?
Speaker 1 (16:01):
one percent today.
Guess what, brother jeremy?
100 days later it's 100 percent.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
It's actually more, it's actually more.
Yeah, if you do one percentdaily for 365 days, I think it's
a 36 fold increase over thecourse of the year because of
the compounding effect compound.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yes, yeah, there you go, but usually it's not.
You're not one percent, usuallylike maybe more than one
percent.
You always push yourselvesright.
But the idea is that startsmall, but start now yeah,
that's a funny one, you like.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
You really noted earlier that you were like do
you know what?
It's?
Just action, it's just doing.
You might not necessarily evenknow what it is that you're
going to do.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
No, just put yourself yeah, into the mix.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You, you learn pretty damn fast, you start making
that's correct whereas I havefound on several occasions
throughout my life I've gottenlost in planning, I lost in
books, I lost in ideas, and it'slike the more I think about
something, the more I try toperfect that thing, the more I
find I I am pulled back or I'mpaused and I actually don't get
much done, whereas, well, how,like you've just had a baby,
(17:01):
right?
You obviously have yourone-to-one work, you have your
property work, which you're anexpansion on, and you have the
school, which you're anexpansion on.
Like it's quite obvious, you'reexuding a lot of energy.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
And I'm writing books as well at the moment.
So I mean, I love the idea ofgetting up early in the morning
at 4 am.
I'm a 4 am club.
There's a book, I think, robinSharma.
He wrote a book called 5 a clublike 4am club.
(17:37):
I love that 4am.
And, yeah, man, consistency,and also what you just said
before about ideation, and Ithink ideation without the
actual implementation at the endof the day is just an illusion,
and so, and awaiting until itgets perfect, it will.
(18:01):
It's like the only way you knowand you improve on something is
through doing it and gettingfeedback from it.
Yeah, so, just even just smallaction, action, but just do it.
that's how you get the realfeedback and that's how you can
improve things so you get up at4am and so 4am meditate, I would
(18:28):
just sit there and observe mybody, scan my body and then jump
into the cold plunge.
So I've got one at home andthen went for a run.
So that's kind of like my dailymorning routine and then
afterwards just get into thehabit of writing.
I've got a gratitude journal,so I ask myself, where am I
(18:54):
grateful for today?
And just list the things thatI'm grateful for and then start
my day.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, I get the feeling that you know there's we
read about so many differentlittle habits and tools and
exercises that we can do thatwill complement our best selves,
and I always get the impressionthat you know there's something
that project that, oh, I'mdoing all of this.
And then there's you whoembodies all of this.
It's like, yeah, I get upbefore I am, I sit, I meditate,
I do my cold bath, I go for myrun, and you can feel your
(19:23):
gratitude in every sentence thatyou share and it's lovely to
see, like, yeah, just thisradiant, happy energy.
Can I ask you a very clichequestion, like I'm curious when
you reflect back on your youngeryears, like what do you think
were kind of the key lessonsthat has brought about the life
(19:46):
that you have right now?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
um, cool, love it, love it, brother.
Thank you so much.
I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I'm gonna push you and always go like the earliest,
earlier as well, because it'sit.
It's a highly organized, highlydisciplined and like very
complimenting way of living.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
You have so yeah, I'm curious what's shaped you well.
Thank you so much, brother.
Uh, yeah, my mom was my heroand she instilled this idea
without actually saying it, butshe demonstrated by her behavior
.
So I'm witnessing all this, andone thing that I've learned
(20:30):
from her was dare to ask.
She would just go and askrandom people to help her, and I
don't know if you know I thinkyou know a little bit about my
story, but I came from abackground where education was
not a thing.
(20:51):
My mom and my dad would ratherhave seen me in a field planting
corn than in a classroomlearning how to write or read.
So that's the background that Icame from, and we didn't even
have electricity to at that time, so we use oil lamp and so.
(21:11):
But my mom, she, shedemonstrated this behavior of
just ask the neighbor, ask thepeople she came in contact with,
ask people to buy things fromher, and so I got into the habit
of ask for help help I just asklike um, and that carry on to
(21:37):
if anything.
If I'm anything today is becauseof that.
One habit is to ask for help.
If you don't know, simple.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You ask I don't know a lot of things, I when I
started the company, or I don'tknow, I just go and ask the
smartest guy in the room youknow how do you do this I
remember I had somethingsomewhat similar where a teacher
when I was like 15 or 16, hekind of pulled me back after
(22:08):
class and he's like jimmy, youknow, you can put your hand up
and ask when you don't know.
Like that's what this is allabout.
You can just ask questions andwithin weeks of him helping me
with that, like all my gradeschanged, all my my experience of
school changed, but I don'tthink I took it into life enough
quick enough, whereas like thatfrom a young age to be just
(22:31):
encouraged highly, highly,highly for whatever it is yeah
for whatever it is that you want, ask, and sorry, just to go
back to that.
So you, you grew up in acircumstance where there's no
electricity no you would a gaslamp yes okay and in your home
space, really your parents wouldlike, would wanted your support
on on the fields, rather thanactually kind of read and write
(22:52):
so how and write.
So, how did you?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So I met this wonderful man called Made and
had already embodied the habitof asking for help.
So I asked him how do you write, how do you read?
And he told me three thingsExercise, first one.
And then he taught me how toexercise, first the first one,
and then, um, he taught me abouthow to write, how to, how to
(23:17):
read, and, uh, also, he's, he'san army at that time, so he,
he's so much about commandostyle, like exercise out there,
like calisthenic kind of style,so, uh, and so that's how I
changed.
One could say that meant my daychanged the trajectory of my
(23:38):
life, because I had no ideaabout Bali, had no idea about
exercise.
I had no idea about that.
There is things callededucation, which is write, read
and you know.
And so he said, hey, look, ifyou want to learn English, go to
where I'm from, bali.
(23:58):
And then, seven years later,what he said influenced the
decision.
So I had no idea about Bali,bro.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
So you originally came from Kupang.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Kupang, it's a small island, bro.
If you Kupang, it's a smallisland, bro.
If you look at it in a map,it's a small island.
Indonesia, and again Indonesiais 17,000, I believe, plus
islands.
So when you say this island,that island, it's just like so
many islands.
So that's where I came from,man.
(24:34):
And if you're remote, if youlive in a or you're born into,
if you're indonesian and you'reborn into a family who live in a
remote village that there's noelectricity, there's no access
of like car or anything likethat, you do, that's your.
I mean, that's your uh, for oneof my close friends actually
(24:54):
couldn't read and write.
He's almost 40 now.
Couldn't read and write Justbecause of the environment that
he grew up in.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So it's the first thing that when I chat to most
people, they think Bali is acountry and I'm like no, no, no,
Bali is an island, it's part ofIndonesia.
The overall population ofIndonesia it's about 200 million
, isn't it?
17,000 islands.
And, interestingly, when youwent to this man and you asked
for support, the first thingthat he instilled in you was
your own personal care, your ownfitness, your own training.
(25:25):
You're a huge advocate ofhealthy body, healthy mind,
right.
But it starts first andforemost with your physical care
.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
When you are strong, you feel strong.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, yeah.
That's something that I thinkis missing a lot, because right
now, like certainly in theWestern world, there's this
enormous interest in therapy andpsychology and people.
You know they're sitting down,they're chatting their hearts
out and everything like that,but there's a lack of, let's say
, priority for your ownphysical-care.
So people are eating like crapand they're wondering why.
(25:57):
They're depressed, yeah, andare physically like they're not
moving at all, and they'rewondering why there's such
anxiety in their bodies and noneof the therapies start with an
emphasis on fresh air exercise.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Exercise, I mean exercise, man.
There's a science man.
It's like release the goodhormone things like BDNF,
brain-derived neurotrophicfactor, you know, and dopamine,
you know, oxytocin.
It makes you feel good when youjust move, like go for a run,
do some push-ups.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Sorry, I think I should come in on this, but as
Daddy is saying like, oh, oh,you know, just go for a run or
do some push-ups, daddyintroduced me to really opening
my body.
The kind of idea is that as webreathe into our lungs, oxygen
goes into our blood and thatblood circulates through our
body and brings that oxygen toour body and really wakes us up
but also clears out anythingthat's perhaps stagnant, not
(26:50):
serving.
And daddy's training for me waslike jamie, learn to open your
body, learn to breathe deeplyand open your body so you can
get your oxygen all throughoutyour body, throughout the body,
and you can get whatever isinside that needs to get out.
Yeah, and it is, uh, it's beenan incredible yeah.
That training philosophy for mehas been incredible of like
(27:13):
work on your breathing, work onthe range of movements, work on
your circulation and really letenergy flow through you and out
of you.
And I kind of think it makes ahell of a lot of sense, like you
need to.
Well, if you think about it asa computer, yep, and if you
think about it as a computerthat's got loads of files and
everything all over the place,you need to clean up that
computer first, and foremost,before you start really seeing
(27:34):
it come to use.
Yeah, okay, so training has.
Training is like a foundationfoundation.
Education is the second and youreally leaned into yep, into
that side of things, and thenyou really got into personal
development and self-help yep,uh, mentors.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I, I think, have learn along.
Listen to the audiobooks,listen to podcasts, it's great.
But if you have mentors andthis is what I really I think I
really love the work that you do, you use you support
individuals to transform theirclient, to get results, and I
(28:23):
think all of us, we need mentors.
I have mentors.
In fact, I am a personaltrainer.
I have a personal trainer.
You know what I mean.
I learn more when I hire apersonal trainer, although I am
a personal trainer.
And then when I went there, Icultivated this white belt
mentality.
(28:43):
I came from a point of like Idon't know.
I hired first not Ian, but Iwent to Ian and I was like I
want to learn from you, I know,you know Ian.
And then I went to all the goodhandstands masters and I said
(29:04):
hey.
And Dylan, I say, sir, what canI do for you If you can please
help me learn handstands andsame with business.
I believe you have to havementors.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, I think it's such an unbelievable no-brainer.
Yeah, like I find.
Well, like I found myselfreally having to justify why
someone would engage with acoach, and I think most people
actually understand why they doit physically like you know, if
you're going to the gym, it's adifferent workout altogether.
If somebody's there supportingyou through the process and also
(29:38):
letting you kind of leveragetheir learnings, yeah.
But when it comes to, let's say, a relationship, yeah, it's
just this kind of idea of like,oh, why would you talk to a
coach?
It's like, well, if I'mstruggling in my relationship,
surely it would make sense toengage with somebody that does
this, as their expertise, knowsthe issues that come up, knows
how to help you through them andcan support you in realizing
(29:58):
your best self it's like oh,never thought of it.
Like that way.
And then when it comes tobusiness.
But like in so many areas ofbusiness, like when it comes to
your own personal leadership,when it comes to your
communication skills yeah, likeI have engaged with so many
coaches because I just recognizethere's such incredible value
and I'm amazed that like thereis a coach for everything.
(30:20):
Like I used to have hugestruggles in terms of
communications and having hardconversations with people until
I worked with a coach, andhugely helpful yeah are when it
came to money management andinvestments.
Yeah, really, really helpfulyeah, but it's, it's an odd one
it's almost like coaching isyeah, it's, it's, let's say it's
a fast evolving space right now, but it is interesting how
people know it, understand andappreciate in the physical sense
(30:43):
, but don't quite appreciate inall the other spheres of life
that can really stand to you,and so this has been a huge
benefit to you.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, mentors, if anything like, um, because
mentors if I'm anything todayit's just because of them.
Mentors like my mom Made.
And then all Then through thatjourney, it was just mentors,
because I ask questions, I askfor help and then some willingly
(31:11):
help some.
I have to invest and I alsobelieve in the idea that when
you pay, you pay attention.
Oh my God, yes, bro, when youpay and you invest.
One of investment in personaldevelopment was $5,000
(31:32):
Australian dollars.
At that time I invested in oneof my coaches named Chris, and
it was scary man.
I was like, oh my God, this isa lot of money and I commit.
He introduced me to a whole newworld that I had no idea about.
Like, oh man, I was like it was$50,000 actually, but it's like
(31:57):
the worth of knowledge, thevalue came back to me.
But first this survivalinstinct or this, one could say,
the small daddy, kind of like,oh my God, that's a lot of money
.
But look at me.
I've written multiple books.
Because of this guy I becomewho I am today.
(32:18):
Because of this guy.
I I become who I am today isbecause of that guy.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah honestly, I've had this as well, where I'm like
going to invest into a programor something like that and the
fees scare me.
Every time I've gotten likedisproportionately more value
than what I've invested inbecause, again, I think that
like leaning on the shoulders ofsomebody who's followed, yeah,
(32:43):
sorry who's?
Led the way in terms of thefootsteps that you're following,
and he can show you.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Oh no, don't go for that, yeah, and if you're gonna
go make that decision, here'sthe right person to talk exactly
so helpful yeah, it's thesystem that they will provide
you, it's the connection, it'sthe environment, the ecosystem,
because at the end of the day,it's about that as well.
What you paid is not only that,but the access to knowledge to
(33:10):
people you know, okay, so your.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
So your mom instilled this in you from a young age
and ever since you've beenfollowing this premises of like
whatever I'm up to, whatever Ineed help with, find the person
to support, find the person toto ask, and you know whether
it's a favor or whether it's aninvestment.
Investment, you know, providedI've done the calculations on it
right, it's going to add to me,it's going to contribute, and
(33:35):
you've built all this on afoundation of kind of fostering
your own best energy first andforemost.
So look after yourself, leaninto others.
I'm really curious.
I kind of want to poke a littlebit further and be like what
else?
comes up for you in terms oflike.
Really it is for me kind of thefascination I had on this
podcast is like what are thetools that people have applied
(33:55):
in their lives to success?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
yeah, what are the kind of?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
the key lessons that complement somebody to where
they are where does the bigheart come from?
Like you know, you talked allabout essentially that
foundation that you've set up,where you were helping all these
kids speak english, think moreentrepreneurially.
Where do you think that?
Where do you think that visionand that desire to help others
(34:17):
came from?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I believe that comes from the man who changed
basically my life, the wholejourney of my life, and that is
my day and that instilled.
If I were to narrow it down toone word, that word would be
caring.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Okay, that's it caring all right, because he
supported you voluntarily.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, yeah he, he would like, because he he one
could say he didn't have to, buthe was, he did, he did.
And then I am today because ofthat One help.
So from that day on I say, okay, care.
(35:02):
That's why I call this schoolpeduli Peduli.
In English it means care, and Iwant to instill this again to
these kids that you need to careabout your future, hey kid.
You need to care about yourhealth care about your future,
hey kid, you need to care aboutyour health.
(35:23):
You need to care about your youknow um your school.
You need to care about yourparents.
You need to care about care, tocare about your community yeah,
these are kind of?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I don't know why and like maybe it's my experience
there's a, there's a one for meto say, oh, back home, but no,
you know, it's my experiencereally that, like these kind of
principles, these values havefallen in priority as of late
(35:57):
for so many um also like, yeah,caring for others around you,
those doses like it's, it's kindof become socially accessible
to hate your parents and a lotin a lot of the kind of
therapies.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yes, it's in your parents.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, I think it's a bit of a cop that in a lot of
regards.
I I think, it's really sad,yeah, and people are missing.
There's so many people saying,oh, I'm missing a sense of
community.
You can create it very quickly,and the best place to create it
(36:32):
is essentially just saying heyhow can I help?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
How can I help?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I'd say you're a popular man in the local
community.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
if you're looking after everybody's kids and I'd
say you're a popular man in thelocal community if you're
looking after everybody's kidsyeah, man, 250 kids and almost
everywhere I go in thatcommunity they know my name but
I don't know their name.
They're like Pa Dede, pa Dede.
I was like, oh cool, this isgreat and I just want to share
in regard to the idea.
(36:57):
In regard the idea, caring isthat in life, I believe that
caring is the soil thatnourishes.
It's like without it, let's say, if I don't care about my
partner, if I don't care aboutmy well-being, you know there's,
(37:20):
no, there's nothing to nourishin that life, in my life.
So caring is the soil, you know, that nourishes, that that will
help you grow in life like Iget an idea of what that looks
like for you.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Is actually you getting up at 4 am is self-care.
You taking time to meditate isself-care.
It's probably uncomfortablegetting up at 4 am, but you know
that fosters your best selfright.
Likewise, showing up for thecommunity the way you do and
caring for other people Still alot of energy in that, but you
(37:59):
know it serves a higher purposein you, right?
Yeah, yeah, I I'm.
I'm kind of finding itinteresting at the moment the
way everybody's talking aboutmanifesting.
Everybody wants to manifestabundance and wealth and career
and all that, and I think whatpeople don't quite prioritize
enough is that karma is like thefuel for manifesting the more
(38:24):
we care for others and alsoourselves the more power we have
when it comes to manifesting.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
You're right and to just add on that, brother Jamie,
is that you manifest not somuch about what you want or what
you desire.
I believe, and this is whatI've learned personally, you
manifest who you are.
That's it.
That's the key, who you are,who you are as a person.
(38:55):
Are you a caring, loving as aperson?
Are you a caring, loving,peaceful, gentle human being?
Or you are this nasty, angry,unhappy, full of hatred being?
And if you are that person andyou try to manifest and you talk
about manifestation, justforget it.
If that makes sense.
(39:15):
It's like your identity impactsyour income, impact and
influence.
You like your identity impactyour income impact and influence
.
Yeah, you shift your identity.
Your income impact, influence,changes it.
They will change, but youridentity, who are you as a
person?
Speaker 2 (39:32):
can I pull that back a bit and just break it down?
Okay, so what I'm hearing fromthere is that one, when it comes
to actually manifesting thelife that you want for yourself,
you can't actually betray whoyou are.
You can't fake it.
No, you cannot carer.
(39:55):
When you're like, oh, I want to, I want to manifest a life
where I'm this billionairebusiness person or politician or
whatever it's like, there's adisconnect that's not in you,
that's not the heart root.
So you can, you can try tomanifest it all you want, but
what you're doing is you'remanifesting something that
you're not, in which case, yeah,so actually the real, a first
(40:21):
kind of part of manifestation,is actually just figuring out
who are you.
And then, when it comes to like, bringing that to life, yeah,
you can bring to life who youare inside.
You can't bring to lifesomething that you're not Okay,
and then then your second pointis almost kind of in line with
what I was sharing about karma.
It's that if you're being a dick, if you're not being nice to
(40:42):
those around you, if you'reactually and also as well if
you're not enjoying your life ina true sense, then God bless
you, but you're just not goingto be able to manifest anything
different because you're in toomuch of, let's say, a trauma
loop, whereas if you areactually really sharing your
kindness and care not just notjust with everybody else, but
(41:03):
also yourself, yes that's thefuel that allows you to become
more of who you are already, andit fuels that manifestational
energy.
Would that be fair?
Speaker 1 (41:13):
yes, yes, and I believe in the idea of who you
are is so important.
The question is that I think inancient Greek, before you enter
a temple of Apollodelfy,there's an inscription that read
know thyself the idea of knowthyself.
(41:34):
You have to know who you trulyare and then what you want and
how you show up in the world.
It's the key because oraclesbecause that's the whole idea
you go there, Temple ofApollodelfy, to ask for the
oracles to give you guidanceabout your future, but the
oracles know the secret.
Hey, before you enter thebuilding, read the inscription
(41:58):
you have to know yourself firstwhen I checked my personal
journey right I went to I.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
I really subscribed to like motivational,
inspirational content originally, so like I really subscribed to
tony robinson yes, like go, go,go go to that inspiration, and
that took me so far until itdidn't like.
You know, there's only so muchyou can motivate yourself to be
savagely burnout and it was inthat moment of burnout that I
was really confronted by that.
It's like, jamie, you can onlymuscle through so many blocks
(42:28):
and obstacles before they get ontop of you.
You need to figure out who youare, yeah, and rebuild your life
from that true, authentic place, because that's the kind of
like trajectory that essentiallycan just keep going and going
and going.
You can't, I suppose, besomething that you're not for an
(42:49):
everlasting basis.
It might work for a littlewhile, but it really won't last
you for too long.
But you can.
If you take time to figure outwho you are, you can always be
more of yourself.
You can always expand anddevelop and grow provided you're
being true to yourself.
Yeah, it's the foundation ofself-discovery.
Needs to be there.
That know thyself.
(43:09):
That know thyself.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Yeah, so, so important.
That's actually primary, and ifyou observe all the books that
I've ever written and will beit's, they will bring your
attention back to that point ofasking yourself the question who
am I?
What do I want?
How do I want to show up?
(43:31):
If I were to show up as thegreatest version of myself today
, what would that look like like?
How would that feel like?
And if I am the abundant like,if I want to attract abundance
into my life, am I live?
How am I showing up?
Am I showing up as a abundantversion of me or this?
(43:57):
You know so it's like you.
You attract who you are, notwhat you want, but who, who you
are and who you are being.
Are you and are you puttingyourselves in an energy elevate
or could say, I love elevatedenergy, where you feel Abundant,
you feel strong, you feel good,you feel happy, because those
(44:20):
are the energy that will attractthe things that you want into
your life.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I see this a lot with goal setting, where people
generally set goals at a placeof rock bottom, where they're
down, they're out of sorts andthey think I'd like this for
myself and I'd like that formyself and I'm going to set a
big goal and a lofty ambition tohave this much money in this
career, in this relationship,this kind of home.
And they look at the list and italmost hammers the point of
(44:47):
they're not where they want tobe and it unfortunately sees
them thinking less of wherethey're at and they get a bit
upset yeah and they're like andthen the work from there is like
well, I'm gonna work throughthis through this, yeah and,
unfortunately speaking, Igenerally see that like as this
weird personal developmentjourney that takes somebody on a
downward spiral, yeah, wherethey're more frustrated with
(45:07):
themselves, more upset withthemselves and more upset with
the world, as a result whereas Ikind of got that picture when
you were sharing your kind ofquestion that you ask yourself,
I kind of saw you at 4 ammeditating where you would ask
yourself, like if I could showup as best as possible today,
what would that look like?
Speaker 1 (45:23):
what would that look?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
like if I was to do all that I could and just even
try and improve my circumstances.
One percent.
Today, my gut instinct tells methat you don't even need to
think about big goals oranything like that if you just
carry that philosophy, you'll,ultimately speaking, end up in a
better place that far exceedswhatever you could imagine up
for yourself and goes, and it'sa much nicer approach to life as
(45:45):
well, where you're enjoyingyour days.
So much of my like, let's say,pre-burnout philosophy for life
was sacrifice today for tomorrow.
For tomorrow It'll be miserableand it'll be shit, but it'll
make sense tomorrow.
And they never got that.
Tomorrow they never got.
It fucking never came.
And I got so bitter and soupset I was like, fuck all this
wellness, it's not working thisis not working.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
yeah, um, I love dr joe dispense.
I don't know if you know dr joedispenses work and, uh, I love
the whole idea of be greaterthan your body, your mind and
your environment If you want toreally know who you are.
Go beyond that, go beyond thepeople, the, the shame, the
(46:33):
guilt, whatever that's going oninside your body, and that's the
meditation that I've been likedoing and I'm like wow, dr j, no
, joe dispenser, this is, this,is it works like?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
magic, just so I like to compare notes here.
So with joe, what I take fromthose kind of practices is that
his philosophy is that when youmeditate and for whatever it is
that you're working on orworking towards, you put
yourself a year in and youmeditate of like okay, what
would it be like to to be livingthis life that I'm working
(47:05):
towards in a year's time?
What would it feel like?
How would I be showing up inlife?
What decisions would I bemaking?
yeah, and then you take thatself that you've visioned up for
yourself in a year's time intoyour present and you start
conducting and moving throughlife from that point of future
right.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, it's so cool.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
I love it.
I yeah.
I unfortunately inhaled a hellof a lot of his content.
I just think his whole idea oflike essentially rewiring your
brain.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Because for me a lot of like, let's say the medit and
this and the wellness world canbe a little bit yeah, and he's
put real practical science,practical yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
And I always say like , oh, joe dispenser, he's the
man who's really figuring outthe science of spirituality yeah
, it's, it's if you can shiftthe mind set from survival mode
to more elevated emotions suchas joy, bliss or blissfulness,
(48:08):
or then, and then you operateyour life from that and you
leave your like, let's say,let's say start from morning
till noon.
You show up as that person andthis is the mantra that I use,
uh, every day.
I, I would say to myself today,wherever I go, I will create a
(48:28):
joyful, peaceful and lovingworld, within and without.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah when you share that right.
It's bringing up this thoughtthat I have at the moment that
the more we focus ourselves onthings that we can't control and
the more we're distracted bythe news, the war and the
(48:55):
disease and the upset in theworld and the possible financial
crash and the election that'scoming up.
The more we put our attentioninto what we can't control, the
more it takes our attention awayfrom what we can control.
And I think people feel thatthere is a big responsibility to
be informed.
Yeah, but I feel that thatresponsibility actually doesn't
(49:17):
serve.
And if one were to take all theenergy that we're spending
concentrating on that I've beenso depressed to take it into
their day to day with yourphilosophy of like, be the
change that you want to be ableto see in the world, show up as
best as you can share somekindness, share some care, share
some real love.
(49:37):
I think, yeah, I think we're ina hell of a lot better place.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, whatever that you focus on expands, right.
Yeah, so if you put your energy, even the things, into the
things that you don't like,guess what?
You get more of the same of thethings that you don't like.
If you discipline your mind tojust focus, let's say, on the
things that you want.
What do you want, I want to seelove.
(50:00):
Discipline your mind to justfocus, let's say, on the things
that you want.
What do you want?
I want to see love.
I want to see people care forone another.
I want to see peace, I want tosee a joy.
So then I want to commit myselfto just focus on those things.
And I'm well aware of like theworld is collapsing, but this is
(50:22):
the reality that I want tocreate and I move towards that
direction.
And usually people around you,they either follow that
direction or they would fallaway from that direction.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
I'm getting this weird limit right and I'm
sometimes confronted by, I see,a very like upset, depressed,
damn person who's like jamie,you know, this is going on in
the world.
This is going on in the world.
You need to be aware, aware ofthis.
Yeah, like you don't know, oh,you don't know, you need to know
.
And they're sitting in thisbubble of real upset, real heavy
(50:58):
, tough energy and there's afeeling of like that's the way
we should go about life.
And they look at me sometimesthey're like what are you up to?
You're in this like bubble,this like fake life.
Oh, you're so light, you're soat ease.
You're.
When are you going to come back?
Speaker 1 (51:14):
down to the real world and I.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
I find that so interesting that people feel
it's almost a responsibility tosit in doom and gloom.
Yeah, and, and, and, and, andand really question anybody that
is moving away from that.
Yeah, and it seemed to be likedisrespectful not to be aware.
Yeah, but, but of course I gotit on the other side, when
(51:39):
you're blissfully happy andyou're suffering, then it's a
bit hard.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
It's hard.
But here's the thing, though,brother how do you solve a
problem if you are in thatproblem?
If you are in that bottle, youcannot see the label outside of
that bottle, the reason why youshould get yourselves out of the
obviously your environment, theproblem, what's going on in
(52:03):
your head?
People depress, why?
Because they just go throughthese same thoughts over and
over and over for years, andthen they become bigger and
bigger and bigger, and thenthat's what happens.
So, but if you meditate anddevelop, be able to get
yourselves out of that, then youcan see your life, you can see
(52:26):
your problem.
You can see the problem aroundthe world, like I see the
problem in the world with thelack of education, poverty.
Do I complain about it?
No, I do something about itbecause that's the real problem.
You know what I mean I.
I see the needs in market.
They need more properties andbecause everything okay.
(52:47):
I because I see clearly fromthe higher perspective.
But if I were to be like in myproblem?
Look at me.
I have this problem.
Life is full of problem.
What I attract?
More of the same, more problems.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Really interesting, really interesting.
So, at the same stage, you'reholding a level of, let's say,
responsibility.
Yeah, yeah, do you know what?
I'm going to foster my energy.
I'm not going to smother myselfin this doom and gloom and you
know what, with the energy thatwould be otherwise depressed by
all of that.
I'm going to take that and I'mgoing to do something good for
(53:23):
myself.
Yep, I'm going to share somecare and some love and give back
as best as I can.
That and that's, yeah, yourwhole philosophy.
I'm going to do something aboutit rather than just sitting in
it, rather than being depressed,I'm going to just do something
about it action, action, actionaction.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yeah, and I mean I was in that place as well like
being depressed when I'm indepressed mode is because I just
think of myself there's only somuch that I can give to myself.
Like, in a day, how many timescan I feed myself?
Maybe three, four, five times,but I can feed hundreds of
(53:59):
people unlimited.
Like I can feed people, I cangive.
But if I only focus on myself,like if I just centered, and
that's when I experienceddepression Because, okay, I feed
myself.
Now I watch Netflix and then eata lot of, like crab food and
(54:22):
whatnot, so that's it, that's it.
But if I were to go out intothe world and then care for
these kids and then create somechange, build something, connect
with the team, do something, Ihave this energy, you see.
So for me, I personally wouldgo down that route of go out
there and then contribute, thensitting at home, just being with
(54:46):
myself and feel sorry aboutmyself, about things, about
whatever that's going on in mylife.
So I was in that place, butI've learned that I'd rather go
down that route of go out intothe world and then contribute.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
That used to be my, so I got through all sorts of
depressive spells.
And that used to be my kind ofmy way of pulling myself out,
that I would generally, I'd putup a post on Instagram or
something like that and I'm likedoes anybody need any help with
?
anything I'm available, and Iwas always like it was
interesting because for me, whatI found one was that, generally
(55:20):
speaking, what people would askfor help would help me identify
a skill inside me and and then,in showing up for another
person, it gave me a sense of,of purpose and um, and yeah,
purpose focus energy and yeah,purpose focus energy flows.
I rebuilt my confidence, Irebuilt myself in those
(55:40):
instances, yeah, and it'sactually very, very simple.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah, what can I give ?
How can I be of service?
That's the question I ask myteam also to ask themselves what
can you?
Speaker 2 (55:54):
give, whereas on the flip side of that, what you
notice is that whenever you getyourself depressed and I say get
yourself it's self-induced.
And it's self-induced becauseyou're over-focusing on yourself
.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
Over-focusing on yourself.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
yes, and what does that look like?
Over-focusing on yourself?
Is that like, oh, you get tootied up in your training or you
get too obsessed about your work?
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yeah, Okay, it's me, I make everything about me, I
take everything personally.
It's me, me, me.
To be honest, no one cares thewhole idea of what would Jamie
think about me.
We all have that thought.
What would that guy think of me?
(56:35):
And then I just think about me,me, me, me.
As a result of that, when westarted this podcast, I asked
like what's um, you know who'syour audience, and because I I
want to come from that place oflike, what can I give here?
Yeah, how can I be of servicehere?
How can I be?
How can I?
What can I give to brotherjamie here?
And when I shift that focus, Ifeel empowered, I feel good, I
(56:59):
have no fear, because my wholebeing is all about being of
service.
But if I were like, well, howdo I look?
You know, if I just focus on me, you see how I'm going to be
anxious about the whole thing,and then I don't think you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
So are you in a practical sense be anxious about
the whole thing, and then Idon't think you know what I mean
.
Like so I get a practical sense, say I go to the shop and say
that the, the person behind thecounter, is rude to me.
I can look at that in two ways.
One they're being rude anddisrespectful to me and I can
kind of think like well, youknow, what did I do to warrant
that?
Why are they being rude to me?
Or I can recognize they'veprobably had a really tough day.
This has nothing to do with me.
(57:39):
One frame of mind issympathetic and the other one is
really ill positioning myselfactually and it's it's really
taking up kind of anintrospection.
Yeah, like, what did I do todeserve this?
Why is this happening to me?
That breaks me on a bit of aspiral, and now and then it's
(58:01):
showing up in this podcast.
It's like, oh, do I look okay?
Speaker 1 (58:04):
am I speaking correctly?
Am I speaking correctly?
Am I grammatically correct inall this?
Speaker 2 (58:08):
yeah, and over analyzing and essentially
overthinking ourselves are.
Just hey, I'm gonna open upshare for it'll work for the
right people and for the othersit won't.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
And that's okay.
That's okay too nice everyoneeveryone so like.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
A recipe for disaster is one yeah thinking, thinking
that it's all about you, notactually understanding that
everybody else is strugglingwith their own things and yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Okay, pains and all that.
I think there's a book calledFour Agreements by Don Miguel.
Yeah, miguel, and be impeccablewith your words.
Don't take anything personally,don't make assumptions and
always do your best.
Those are the four agreements.
Yeah Right, impeccable whatdoes that mean?
Usually, people would use wordsto hammer themselves.
Agreements Impeccable what doesthat mean?
(58:59):
Usually, people would use wordsto hammer themselves
Self-judgment, self-criticism.
If that's it, they're not beingimpeccable with their words and
they basically use the tools tosmash themselves it.
(59:20):
You're holding on to the hammerrather than hammer the nails.
You hammer yourself and thendon't take anything personally,
because everybody is strugglingwith their own life situation
and you have to be kind and beloving to watch.
(59:40):
And this is what I really loveabout the example that you gave
and being the one that comesfrom the compassionate place.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yeah, it's interesting, kind of going back
to your philosophy of, let's say, looking after yourself, that
number one is actually a levelof personal discipline and
self-care, whether that'sexercise or whatever.
But then two, it's like reallymaster your mind what mastering?
Your mind looks like is notbeating the shit out of yourself
, but being kind, beingunderstanding and becoming.
You're essentially your ownbest friend.
(01:00:15):
For years, I went to the hockeywith myself for years like I go
to the ski track stage andeverything in my head is running
like Jamie, you're going tofuck this up, you're going to
make a mess here, but workingwith myself to be like we're
going to do this has been huge.
And then the care, that idea ofbeing the change that you want
(01:00:35):
to see in the world, rather thangetting wrapped up in, perhaps,
what it's not, what it's not,rather than obsessing over that,
actually just getting in, stuckin and doing something about it
it's cool, really cool, daddy.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Thank you for sharing your time.
Brother, thank you so much.
Thank you so much for having meand it's been a pleasure, and
if anybody wants to connect withyou, what's the best way?
Ah, instagram.
I have a company called OamoaValley Properties.
If they're interested ininvestment in properties or they
can connect Also the impactleaders.
(01:01:07):
I help leaders, especiallybusiness owners, to become a
leader that everyone loves.
You know everyone also.
It's on my instagram calleddaddy tn um.
Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah, they can find me there as well cool, and if
anybody wants to make a donation, send me a dm.
I don't help with that.
I'd love that cool.
Sorry, an absolute pleasure man, thank you thank you.
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