The University of Life & Jim Doyle

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So, jim, I've wanted to speak to you for a year and a
half now, and subsequentlyyou've actually come up three or
four times in the podcast wherepeople are like I met this
healer in Bali and I don't evenknow how to describe his work,
but it was pretty magical.
Did you get that one?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I get that all the time and, as you'll understand,
I don't call myself a healer.
I work in the field of healing,I'm a therapist, I'm a
facilitator, um, people who cometo me are the healers and
that's what I work in that deal.
So I show people their power,the power of words, a lot of
attraction, and it's uh, it's adelightful thing.
I've done for over 40 years now.

(00:39):
And the reason I like doingthis?
Because I like seeing peopletake their power back and I wish
45 years ago someone might haveheld my hand a little bit and
made some easy tasks or easyavenues that I made life hard
for myself, trying to get better.
So that's why I love doing whatI'm doing.
So it's often I get people getto the front door and they'll go
ooh, you're not what weexpected, what did you expect?

(01:00):
And I should have haddreadlocks, a beard and a caftan
on burning.
What'd you expect?
And I should have haddreadlocks, a beard and a caftan
on burning incense going peace,man.
And I'm Australian, I'm bald,I'm 67, I say fuck as often as I
can because that's just me andI'm quite happy just to be me.
And that's where it doesn'treally fit in that term healer.
So I work in the field ofhealing and have done for 41

(01:21):
years but I'm a therapist, I'm afacilitator and that's what I
love doing.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
So what I hear when you share that is that you help
facilitate people by activatingtheir own healing, kind of
reorienting back into theiraligned self, rather than say
out of self or a kind of typethat's fostering disease.
What if I was to kind ofproject a little bit deeper and
be like could you tell me alittle bit more about what you
do?
What comes up?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, okay, so I call myself a body-mind therapist.
So, like all things, to be goodat what you do, you have to do
the journey yourself as well.
So a little bit of mybackground.
I had quite a bad car accident,injured my back and shoulder,
and that's what put me on thejourney of this.
I'm actually a greenkeeper, ahorticulturist by trade and

(02:06):
that's my love of life is plantsand in the accident I had to go
and seek some medicalassistance with it.
And both had quite horriblescenarios about it, about if you
need to stop that sighted pain,we need to put a rod down your
back, we need to put screws intoyour discs and we need to do a

(02:27):
lateral release on your frozenshoulder.
And as a young 23 year old,that was pretty scary and I
didn't really want to pursuethat because there was no great
outcome to it.
And I asked both the people dothey guarantee what they did?
And both just smiled and saidwell, no guarantees, no
guarantees.
All care, but no guarantees.
That's what started me on thisjourney and through a physical

(02:48):
therapist that I first met namedJohn Goodenbill.
He's a Samoan Tongan man and hewas the first guy to stick his
thumb in where my problems were,say where the problem came from
, what it did physically, and itwas the first time for a couple
of years of therapy that I gotany relief at all out of it and

(03:09):
I was quite impressed by it.
I'd already done a remedial inSwedish massage course because I
was told there was soft tissuedamage that you know had to
repair these things, and whilstit gave me a great relief which
I didn't have before and it alsolike things that I've worked
out, in the long term, unlessyou've got your body and mind
together, then you aren't goingto get the total healing of it.

(03:30):
So it was the progress of goingthrough learning physical
massage physical about the body,about the balance of it.
He was a really amazing guy,john Goodenville, and worth
googling up.
He was a guy who desired to bea doctor but obviously
opportunities never got thereand he was probably a better
doctor than anyone was athealing and fixing people's
problems that they didn't haveanswers to.

(03:52):
So, starting with him, I didthat.
I then come across anothernaturopath named Gary Hancock,
who I had an allergy on my skinat the time, especially around
my elbows and wrists, and when Ilooked like a leper I would
tear myself apart.
So I went and saw him and thefirst thing he said to me what
are you itching to get out of?

(04:13):
And I thought, well, that's aweird thing to say.
And I said I don't know.
And he said, yeah, there'ssomething you're itching to get
out of.
That elbow's about yourdirection.
You know, what do you want todo different?
And at that point I was stilldoing my trade as a greenkeeper,
but I was part-timing in themassaging and so obviously I
wanted to do more of it.
But that fear of you know,trusting yourself or believing
what you can do, and he justsaid to me just do it.

(04:36):
And just took someone to simplysay, just do it.
And I trusted myself andbelieved and just did it.
And so, through some littlecourses I did with him on
different things to do withChinese body clock, to do with
organ adjustments, little thingsthat I didn't know and he
certainly opened the door to afew different things, but then

(04:56):
started talking about theemotions, with things, and I
realized when I looked into myparticular two women, that I use
their information a lot, louiseHay, and until they once healed
the body, once the body's abroma of the soul.
I started looking into theirstuff.
I realised that every emotionof each of the vertebrae that I
was going to have to haverepaired and the release of my

(05:17):
shoulder was all exactly whatwas in my head.
But until someone confronted me,I read about it and I realised
that's exactly what's in my head, and the frozen shoulder was an
interesting one.
I was already married as a 21year old.
21 year old, I already had twokids before I was 22, so the
deal was right.

(05:38):
The right shoulder frozenshoulder was about feeling guilt
, about gaining for yourself.
So, of of course, I was a dadand a husband.
My gain was for my children,for my wife, not for myself.
So that's, in turn, why Icaused my shoulder to be frozen.
It wasn't really the caraccident.
The car accident, in turn, hadstuff to do with my head.
All this stuff just keptleading to understanding what my
head did and what it ultimatelycreated in my body, and I was

(06:03):
delighted to start realisingpain was going away, but it
wasn't through physical therapy.
It was actually by saying wordsand saying different things
that actually changed what myhead.
Well, actually not changed me.
Let me be me, but understand myvulnerable qualities and, like
all things, when somethingstarts to change you open one
door, you'll open another door,and another door and another
door.

(06:24):
And I was blessed to have thoselittle things where different
influences came into my life atthe right time when I was ready
to change.
So that's, in a nutshell whatgot me into it.
Because then I realised, well,I'm already doing the physical
massage and the guy who taughtme taught me great stuff about
acupressure and about balancingthe body.
But what I learnt?

(06:46):
If you get the body balancedand the head balanced, then
health comes back to you again.
But it's a constant challenge.
I mean, this is not justbecause I do this.
Don't kid yourself that I'mperfect.
I get just as much problems aseveryone else and I just address
them a bit quicker so I don'tend up in chronic pain or in the
sciatic pain that I had for somany years.
I mean, really, if ever my backtwinges ever again, but it's

(07:09):
just because I understand, then,not just only saying these
words, but little things aboutprotection of self and often all
the clients that come to me.
I always talk about how toprotect themselves and everyone
talks about reactions, puttingwalls up, withdrawing, screaming
, yelling, running away.
The way I teach people iscalled the 10th connection, so

(07:31):
it's putting the tip of thetongue to the roof of the mouth
and I encourage people to go andGoogle the 10th connection.
It's quite interesting what ittalks about.
It's used in sleep, stress,connection protection,
meditation.
It's used for a lot ofdifferent things.
The difficult part about itwhen you're emotional is
actually getting your tongue upthere and using it, and that
still even though I say it 300times a day to people that I

(07:52):
work with.
But it's still not easy toremember, especially when you're
emotional.
But once you learn to connect,that you also stop the nonsense
in your head, and that's whatI've done is still my head down
a little bit, so I don't havethe storyteller in there
sabotaging me.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
It's actually an interesting trick that you said
in terms of helping to quietmind, because when I notice,
when my head is just flaring upand stressing, I actually we've
worked together so much now thatI hear you saying, jamie, put
your tongue as I do it my headjust goes calm and silent, which
is lovely, because sometimesthat's actually, you know,
that's hard.
Sometimes you can find well, Ifound myself at night.

(08:28):
If it's like overthinking aboutstuff at work or stuff in life,
it actually just has a trick tohelp me sleep.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Totally, really useful.
But it's normal and that's whatyou've got to realize.
It's normal.
It's not like it's, you know,weird that your head does it,
everyone's head does it,everyone's head does it.
Just some manage it better thanothers.
One of the things it uses inmeditation and when we meditate
it's not to bring God in or putflash and blue lights in, it's
actually just to learn tolengthen the gap between your
thoughts, and that's one of thetechniques that's used in

(08:56):
Kundalini raising or heartrebuilding, is putting your
tongue up there.
So what it does?
It creates a circuit of energyin there.
So you're still seeing, you'restill hearing.
Nobody knows you're doing it,but you're connected and
protected.
So it actually starts toquieten that nonsense voice in
there.
And I know that voice is stillthere somewhere.
It just gets further andfurther back in my head.
It's always there.
It's referred to good, bad,black, white, devil, god,

(09:18):
whatever term you want to use itas, but we've all got it in our
head.
If we don't manage that, thenit manifests.
There's an interesting thingthat I've it's not new, but, um,
there's a guy's name eludes me.
He's a professor from japan whoin the 1994, didn't experiment
with water yeah, and he'sjapanese guy yeah, hiroshita
hero, I forget his name, but itwas a.

(09:40):
Really we love the sciences ofthings.
And this guy got water at eachend of the bench, basically got
his students at one end to sayreally negative stuff I hate you
, you're disgusting, you'reawful.
The other water to say howbeautiful it was, how much they
loved it.
Then he froze samples from them, put them under a microscope
the ones with the positive wordsit looked like a snowflake, the

(10:00):
crystal formation of it.
The other one just looked likeblack ugly mess, snowflake the
crystal formation of it.
The other one just looked likeblack ugly mess and to the eye,
just look like water.
But we're 85 fluid in our body,90 in our brain.
So if we have negative thoughtsor have negativity around us,
that's exactly what we attractis the sickness with it.
And if people looked at in thatsimplistic form because that's
what we tend to do, iscomplicate things, and that's

(10:21):
what I offer people is I keepsaying that this is simple and
if I'm making that practical,like I remember coming into you
for the very first time, we hada good chat and then you were
like Jamie, sit down at thetable there.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
And I think you grabbed a part like I think it
was like you were, it was like Iwas getting, say, a massage.
But then I was like, ah, you'relike Jamie, do you love
yourself?
And I was like, huh, you'reright, you love yourself.
And I was like, uh, what areyou asking me that for?
And he was like, well, look you, uh, in feeling this and it's
feeling the sensitivity you havehere, you obviously have some

(10:53):
level of self-love block.
Um, can you repeat after me?
And I was like, of course, Ikind of like say I love myself.
I kind of giggled a little bitbut I was like, okay, okay, I
love myself.
And what I now know is that youstarted squeezing harder and
harder and harder and I startedfeeling that less and less and
less until the end when you werereally gripping and I wasn't

(11:14):
feeling anything.
And that was quite shocking.
You talked about it's simple.
I had never come across thatbefore.
I was actually used to it.
If I had a knot or if I had apain.
I was in for a hell of a like apunch, exactly exactly, but it
was nothing.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Some people enjoy the pain, man.
Some actually enjoy that painbecause that actually reminds
them there's something going on.
One of the things I do anklesare really common in people to
have blocks in them.
Ankles are about pleasure andit's not their pattern.

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That's the whole point of this.
When they're saying thesethings, it's not their program
or their pattern, even thoughthey know it's logically what
should be in their head.
But it's not what's in theirhead.
So you get them to say that andthen I get them to say yes.
After we go through the processof what I do, ask them how they
protect themselves.
That's how they put theirtongue up.
I touch it again afterwards.
You would not believe how manypeople giggle after that.

(12:13):
Because there's no block there.
The block instantly goes,because you're talking about the
water again, you're putting thepositive vibration into that
cell, which then allows the cellto form beautifully again.
It really is that simple andthe instant thing is oh, you're
not touching the same spot,you're not pushing as hard,
you're not.
You know, you're tricking me.
And of course this is no tricks.

(12:33):
And that's the beauty of what.
People start to realise theirpower, the power of words, the
law of attraction and that's howI work.
If you use that term law ofattraction, if people people you
know are not careful whatthey're saying, they say silly
things like oh, every june I geta cold, get ready for the first
of june come and you'll get nocold, because you program it in
there.
And that's all we're doing isjust rewiring the head and

(12:54):
reprogramming the head.
But what they've got to realizeis not to change themselves but
to understand those vulnerablequalities.
So when the ankle is aboutpleasure, when they're receiving
pleasure comes and there'sguilt or inflexibility about it,
they learn to put their tongueup so they don't put their
memory pattern back into theirankle.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
It was like this was the second kind of really
confronting part of working withyou.
It was like one recognizing howI'd leaned into pain as the
cure and suddenly now me justsaying I love myself starts to
relieve a lot of pain.
I was like, wow, that's simple,but that's actually quite
telling.
Why do I lean towards pain liketherapies and giggle at the
idea of saying I love myself?

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Because you're not programmed that way, man, you're
told that's selfish, that'sconceited, that's being full of
yourself.
Man, you should Australian,young Australian man growing up
saying that I've never felt sostupid in my life.
When I first started doing it,looking in the mirror, in fact,
I didn't shave in front of themirror.
Then for the next few months Ishowed in the shower because I
felt so stupid.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
What would you say that for me and Dick, and say
that the second part was thelanguage, because as soon as you
kind of raised my awareness ofmy own self-talk, I started
recognizing like why I very fit,flippantly and almost
unconsciously will say someferocious things about myself.
Like you, gave a simple exampleof oh God, I always get a cold

(14:08):
in June, but mine was, like youknow, I make a mistake in work
or something.
Oh, I'm fucking this and thatand I'm really like banging my
head up against the wall andit's.
But there's an expression oh,he's beaten the shit out of
himself and actually recognizethat you could.
A lot of us do it with ourwords not recognizing actually
that level.

(14:29):
That's a pain that we'refostering inside ourselves,
certainly in terms of yourphilosophy and your approach,
and that that was sad.
I was like how much of, let'ssay, the pain, the disease, the
stress that I'm holding and I'mcarrying around is one one
self-inflicted and twocompletely unnecessary?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I would say all of it .

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
That's the truth of it.
But then it's getting ourselvesout of that human quality of
feeling inadequate, unworthy,all the things you programmed as
a kid.
Because you're selfish, youknow you fool yourself.
As I said, eventually it was.
I knew I had to get back infront of the mirror.
This guy had quite a big pullon me about influencing my life,
but I did such a bad jobshaving that my mates would make

(15:11):
a bit of fun of me saying youmissed that bit.
You missed that bit.
Until eventually I realised andone said well, why don't you
shave properly?
I said, well, I'm in a hurry.
He said, man, you'd better slowdown because you look like a
dickhead.
So I'd get back in front of themirror.
It must have taken five yearsof saying that.
It's not an easy thing to say.
I love and approve of myself, Ilove and accept myself, I love

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and appreciate myself.
You're taught to say that toothers but never to yourself.
And I say to people unless youreally want to be in love,
you've got to fall in love withyourself first before anyone
knows how to do it.
And that's definitely not howwe're programmed and that's all
you're doing is justreprogramming.
You know, part of Australianculture is to be facetious, to
take the absolute piss out ofyourself, and we have the tall

(15:53):
poppy syndrome.
Be successful, but don't be toosuccessful because you'll get
knocked down.
So all these little programsthat are put to you and again, I
don't know if people reallyintend negative stuff with it,
but the fact is that's whatcomes out of it.
You know teachers saying thingsto kids, parents saying things
to kids where they don't reallymean to hurt them, but they say
things that never leave theirheads and then they're

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programmed with that and that'spart of stuff.
What we do in here is also is goback to some of that stuff from
the past and do forgiveness ofsituations, forgiveness of self,
forgiveness of others, and thatlets go the emotion of the
story.
We're never meant to let go ofthe story, as shitty as some of
these stories are.
That's part of the journey.

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But what we do, instead ofletting that emotion keep coming
back, which keeps manifestingthe illness, problem, sickness,
pain, is to go and detach andforgive.
And most people don't want toforgive because they think
they're letting someone off thehook.
When you forgive, you'reletting no one off the hook.
You're not saying someone'sright or wrong.
You're saying I didn't likewhat happened.
I don't agree with whathappened.
I don't ever want this tohappen again.

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I'm done.
Leave it back in the past.
There's your end.
Do what you want with it.
I forgive you, but it's alsoforgiving yourself, and that's
not an easy one to do either,because we think we need to have
the penance done.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, I think it's quite haunting.
Certainly, in my case, Irecognise the punishment, I put
myself under the burden.
I carry the stress the disease,discomfort, and also the
numbing myself to thepossibility of happiness, of
ease For some, you know, reallyfor some unconscious reason, but

(17:37):
it's so silly because as I sitdown and I'm like, of course I
want more ease in my life, ofcourse I want more fun of course
I want more freedom.
Of course I want that lightnessand that excitement.
Why am I carrying around allthis baggage?

Speaker 2 (17:49):
We watch our parents do the same thing and they're
our first program and you know,again, they don't try and put
negative things in you, butthey'll worry about money,
they'll worry about status,they'll worry about position and
you just learn those sameprograms.
It's often when people Bunionsis a common thing, so it's when
your toe, the outside of yourtoe, will stick out, and bunions

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are often quite funny thingsthat I'll say to people why do
you think you've got them?
Women will always say they wearhigh heels and that's why
they've got them.
I'm a bit of a smart ass so Isay straight back to them so
most men don't wear high heels,but men get bunions as well, and
of course it's a bit of a laugh, but it's when life hasn't
delivered the wonderful thingswe thought it should have

(18:32):
delivered.
But we're being programmed bythe person who's had the same
thing happen to them.
So you, my grandmother's, gotthem, my great-grandmother had
them, um, so I'll get them aswell, because so it's not
genetics, it's how we'reconditionally programming into
things.
And so, example in family, youknow it was finances were always
a bit tough and my dad alwaysoh, my back, margaret.

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He always complained about hisback being sore, and I'm sure he
had a very sore back, as Iended up with a sore back.
Funny enough, all of us hadsore backs because we were all
programmed the same way Notenough money, you know.
Worry about money, worry aboutfinancial support, worry about
future.
That's going to, in turn, lockyour low back up.
That's your supportive life.
So when and this is where thelovely Louise Hay and Anna

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Noontill come in they'reincredibly powerful women.
Louise Hay's stuff was done in1975, anna Noontill's about 1990
.
This stuff's been around a longtime, but of course they were,
you know, hoo-ha and they wereweirdos, those people.
But they're incredibly accurateon what their statements are of
each of the problems with thevertebrae, with your shoulder

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problem, with your bowel problem, with your sleeping problem.
They're quite accurate in whatthey do.
And once you drop your ego outof the deal and you start being
honest with yourself and startrealizing hmm, that's what I
think, okay, well, realizingthat's what I think, okay, well,
that's what you think you don'tstop yourself thinking because
that's you.
What you do is learn to protectwhen that negative stuff comes
I yeah, louise hayes book wasreally.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I think you can hear your body yeah, and she's
written many books.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
She has a publishing house.
She's a very powerful woman who.
She does lots of differentmeditations, guided meditation.
She does lots of differentmeditations, guided meditation.
She does lots of differentactivities that people can do to
help themselves, but the onethat I use is an a to z heal
your body.
So there's yeah, it's, it's avery accurate book.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
it's unbelievable because for me I always find,
like you, kind of feel that forwhatever disease you might have
or whatever issue might be goingon, that it's really it to you
and there's a very strong, Iwould say, lack of connection to
it and there's almost like avictim of, oh God, this is
happening, I've got a cold, I'vegot a stuff nose, I've got a

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cold sore.
And in reading her book, whereshe literally aides disease
ailments and you can check outthe ailment, and see almost
immediately to the right.
It's like oh, you're notspeaking your truth?
Are you're harboring umfrustration with your partner?
Are you're not being brave inyour career?

Speaker 2 (20:59):
your partner.
You got being smashed.
Your uh inability to receivepleasure.
You're being stuck in a pattern.
You're being stuck in whatyou're doing.
It affects on your body.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
I find I used to carry like I'd have my journal
and I'd have Louise Hayes A to Zand I, generally speaking,
there's always some little thingthat you'll find, if it's an
ache in the back or somethinglike that read it.
I was amazed how it wouldprompt, let's say, a journaling
exercise for me and as I woulddo that, I would walk away

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feeling lighter.
Of course Now, like you know,some might just laugh and be
like, oh, placebo, but it's likewell, maybe R this is fantastic
, or is it the glass of water?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
And that's how you put it in, because people like
to hear the sciences of thingsand that's one that I pull at
people a lot because they'll saythose little things oh, you
know, this is a Placebo, is agreat word for things, and
placebo does get proven in a lotof cases where you know the
medication is given to one, theplacebo to the other, which
might just be salt water, butthey still get the result out of

(21:58):
it.
All right, that's a beliefsystem, but that tells you their
head's changing the thinganyway, yeah.
It's not the placebo, it's theirhead that changed it and what
that perceived it was.
So you know little things likeconstipation.
You know sleep, diarrhea if welooked at what the things are.
But then you've got to bebrutally honest with yourself
going oh, that's what I wasthinking.

(22:19):
So that car accident I had nowI just thought was bad luck.
Some guy had a head full oftoot and he's um, driving his
father's sub a million miles anhour hit me head on and so I
just thought it was a bit of badluck.
But the truth was, accidentscome about not being able to
speak up for yourself, believingeveryone else is the authority

(22:40):
to you, a belief in violence.
Now, all three of them were inmy head at that time.
Everyone was the authority tome.
I couldn't speak up for myself.
I did believe in violence.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
I still believe in violence.
Everyone does.
Yeah, this is a really curioussubject for me, man, because I
kind of think, like you know,there's, let's say, one big
learning exercise, which is totake responsibility for whatever
your body is, whatever ailmentsare coming to you and are
expressing themselves throughyour body, that actually, that's
at the root root.
It's something that you're notlooking at or something you're
avoiding or something that youneed to process.

(23:12):
But this is a whole other kindof side that actually, like we
again see a lot of likeaccidents as as bad luck.
But your philosophy is thatlooks like no, no, no, no.
Everything is connected.
It's almost like there's asequence of events that if
you're not, if you're beingblind to something and you're

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not, let's say, you're not, uh,you're not taking notes, you're
not listening to it, you're notaddressing it, you might first
have a, a level of an elementinside, but then it'll get worse
, and then it could get worse,and then an accident will make
it happen, so there are no let.
So there are no, let's say,accidents.
You almost attract them inthrough place.
I think.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Everything's a law of attraction, Jamie, and that's
what we've got to startunderstanding.
If we don't know ourself to beourself, then we attract things
that we are not aware of andtherefore then we you know, I'm
not anti-medical, I'm actuallyquite pro-medical Sometimes we
let things get so out of hand.
We need that mental influencein it.
But to really cure the thingsyou've got to actually

(24:12):
understand what was in your head.
Now again, it's a job inprocess.
It's not something you just doit once and you're an expert at
it, and that's what that termhealing was.
I'm always a bit avoidant ofdoing that, because when people
come and sit in the chair in myroom and the first thing they
say heal me, and I say that'snot my job, that's your job For
organ who's digging into yourhead to work out what's in your
head to cause that problem to bethere Again.

(24:33):
Most people are not programmedthat way, but also they don't
really want to hear that.
We're programmed.
Someone else will fix it foryou and if we start to
understand.
So a young lady come inyesterday she was Irish also and
she'd had a big graze down herknee and I said, oh, did you
come off the bike.
She said, no, I was hiking andI fell, but it was a decent
slash on her knee she had, and Iwas on her right knee.

(24:55):
And I said oh, so we're goingto get you brutally honest with
yourself and ask why thataccident happened.
She said oh, the ground wasslippery.
And I said well, of course itwas.
But I said everyone else waswalking up there.
They didn't fall and cutthemselves.
How come you did?
And she said it was just badluck.
And I said well, let's go alittle bit further than that.
And I said so it's on the maleside.
Knees are about stubborn prideand ego won't bend, won't give

(25:16):
in.
Accidents happen when you can'tspeak up about yourself.
You think someone else is theauthority.
I said think, in the six hoursbefore that accident happened,
what was going on with the male,where he was the authority and
his pride and ego wouldn't bendand you were hurt by his pride
and ego.
Therefore, you attracted theaccident.
Oh, I had a terrible fight withmy boyfriend before, Of course.
Okay, so then you attractedthat pattern.

(25:39):
Now it is bad luck, she gets thething and she's going to have
to spend a bit of time healingher knee, but what her deal is
then to try and work out, whenthis comes, that she's the power
and authority to herself, nomatter what people think.
You've got to startunderstanding that yourself and
backing yourself and talking upabout yourself Exactly.
You're not programming.
That's the deal with this.
You're not programmed that way.
So it's quite difficult to goand do these things, especially

(26:02):
if she was in her early 20s.
That's 20 years of programmingand this is how it is.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah.
So when you say it's quitedifficult, I find it confronting
and I find it challenging.
But interestingly, when I gothrough a mental exercise of
trying to understand work orunderstand a session or teaching
, what I do recognize is that,whether it is a level of disease
in my body or an accident thatunfolded, essentially they're

(26:30):
all the time trying to help meget back in my power and the
issues that arise rise up indirect correlation to the amount
of power I give away in my life.
And that's some weirdcorrelation that I noticed that
when I am letting my power go,giving it to others, life starts

(26:54):
to absolutely wallop me aroundthe place.
But when I take it back andwhen I'm really sensitive to if
an ailment comes up or an issueand I look after myself, I start
to rise up like I've never donebefore this, like my.
I would say that your work forme is all about coming into my
power.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Totally.
That's what it is you takingyour power back.
As people release, they'll feelyou know I'm touching their hip
and getting them to say youknow, they know what it's like
and how it feels not to be stuck, how they thrust forward.
They make decisions easily andthey feel it releasing the
question easily.
And they feel it releasing andthe question I was asking do you
like taking your power back?
There's that little giggle thatcomes again oh yeah, because

(27:31):
they've not been shown that andthe truth is I'm a bit of a
conspiracist in my head, but thetruth is the powers that be
don't really want you to knowthis, because then they don't
manage you and control you,because you're not relying on
medications, creams, pills,injections, powders.
You're just starting tounderstand yourself, and if we

(27:52):
understand ourself, then weactually reduce the opportunity
for these things to come.
Man, we're all going to die.
That's a state of thing in ourhuman life.
Who knows how long we're goingto be here, but our desire is to
be here as well and healthy andas happy as possible, to own
the commodities of life peace,love, joy and happiness.
They're the really importantthings.
That's when you reach, your ownthem.

(28:12):
If we do those little things.
Then we um, we go through lifewith a pretty healthy body
without too much problems goingon there and, as I said, at some
point our body will fail andit'll go, we'll go to sleep and
that's the reality of it.
So, but our deal is not to gothrough, like most people, with
trauma and torment and pain andsicknesses and operations.

(28:33):
I know that the general peoplewill say, well, that's nonsense,
it's who I am.
But they're so programmed inthose things.
If they're brutally honest withthemselves, with those emotions
that are there, if they'rebrutally honest, they'll realise
that's exactly what's in myhead.
Okay, learn to manage it andyou'll actually stop that
problem.
And I know because I don't havethose back problems, I don't

(28:55):
have a frozen shoulder, I didn'thave the things I was supposed
to have done medically to haveit done.
I started to identify that Ididn't like to gain for myself.
So therefore, my shoulder, Iprotected myself when those
little things came, buttherefore my shoulder improved.
Because I then would say all myexperiences in life as a male
are joyful and loving.
I choose to make them that way.

(29:15):
That's not exactly what you'retaught to say and of course, all
your experiences are not joyfuland loving, and that's why it's
hard to say these things,because, one, they're not your
programs.
Two, when you're saying it,your your head's going.
But that's bullshit.
That's not what's going on.
But, as you said, there's theglass of water.
Again, you're feeding thatbeautiful glass of water and
it's like almost faking it untilyou make it.
That's probably how this works,is you keep saying it until

(29:38):
eventually it becomes yourpattern.
You know, 40 years ago I didn'tknow all these affirmations,
but I've said them, so I play mypatterns.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
When you were speaking.
I'm kind of going back to whereyou're like well, the powers
that be don't want us to knowthis kind of stuff, and I always
remember hearing taking to itreally well was that if you want
to hide something, hide it inplain sight, and we're taught
from a very, very young age thatwords cast spells Totally and

(30:06):
our language is spelt.
But we ridicule it it and welook at it in cartoons, we look
at magic and we think, oh no,but that's not real life.
It's there of course it is, andI, the more I'm kind of, the
more I'm learning, the more I'mexpanding, more, like I would
say, wisdom I'm accumulating,more I'm recognizing that
there's a lot of truth in itactually doesn't disney.

(30:28):
There's a lot of truth in inour old stories, our myths and
our legends, and oftentimes it'sthe very stuff that we're told
oh, that's just fairytale,that's like.
Is it, though?
Is it and I, I love that sayingmagic comes to those that
believe in it most, and I reallythink that what you talked
about when you were sharing like, look, I say these affirmations

(30:50):
and I just say them over andover and over over, almost fake
it till you make it, but it'salso like well, it's.
If you keep saying it little bylittle, but leaving it that
little bit more as you believeit, more it takes.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
It takes greater effect take it, take it out of
words and put it into learningto swim, learning a language,
learn to drive a car.
When you first get in there,man, you're no expert.
You fumble and bumble and allthose little things, but by the
time you do it over and over andover again, you just get in,
turn the keys on the car anddrive With the language you know
.
And again.
I've lived in Indonesia now for13 years and I've been trying

(31:24):
my best to learn Indonesian andmy wife's Indonesian.
And you know it's incrediblydifficult because it's not how I
was programmed.
But I realised the more I do it, the more easy it becomes and
the less I fight it and keep.
You know you've got to learn,you've got to put the effort in.
So you know, you start tounderstand that learning to swim
is no different.
You know, throw a kid in thewater, they're going to drown

(31:46):
yeah you know, we throw a kid inthe water, they're going to
drown.
Yeah, um, you know my little boyum, that was basically I'll
just let him go and uh, hestruggled and pulled himself
back up again.
He was a little baby and he'slike a fish in the water now, at
six years of age.
He's uh, because he was justencouraged, being able to go
through that process.
And there's where anxiety comesin when we don't trust the flow

(32:07):
and the process, then that termanxiety is used.
So then we get anantidepressants or getting
whatever medications that Ithink is going to help it.
But if you simply understoodthat you're not trusting the
flow and the process, thenyou're going to create that
condition.
So, whether it's learning, ifyou put the time into learning a
language, then you're going toget the result out of the
language.
You put time in to learn how tosurf or how to swim or how to

(32:32):
drive a car, you're going to getthe result out of it and this
is no different.
But you've got to do the workand that's what I find.
Often people come here and youknow, because it's a holiday
place, they'll come, you know,once every 12 months and better
go see the healer and when theycome in, or you know them so are
you going to the toilet anybetter?
Are you still constipated?
Oh no, I'm still constipated.
Oh okay, do you touch thatpoint?
Do you say those words?

(32:52):
Oh no, I forgot that.
When that negative thing comesabout, you've been stuck.
Do you put your tongue inprotectors?
Oh no, I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
I'm not that empathetic on those little ones
hard and say well, man, if youwant to do the result, you want
to do the work, but they wantsomeone else to do it and that's
how we program.
Someone else will fix theproblem.
So that at the heart of it is,like societally, I think, the
root of so much ailment that wenegate on self-responsibility
and we are leaning and it's alot of us in Western culture
it's like governments in termsof social welfare, social
support and this and the next,and all of a sudden the guys are
like this is good, we'recreating a good society.

(33:33):
But I always remember having alaugh.
I was over in Cape Town and Iwas asking some of the locals
there because everybody wastelling me how unsafe it was in
Cape Town and I was like, guys,how safe is it here, jamie,
unfortunately, if somethinghappens to you here, it says
much, much less about you thanit does Cape Town.
And I kind of joked and laughedand that sat in with me for a

(33:56):
little while and he said look,you know, if you go hiking here
on the mountains, you're goinginto the wild and, yes, it is
unsafe and you may fall victimor you may step up all the more
and take a little bit morecontrol and power and leadership
of yourself.
He was like you guys over inthe home in the west.
You're so overnight and overmothered by your sense.

(34:17):
You're all becoming so weak, sofragile, so all over the place
and he's like this might seemunsafe, but there's medicine in
it and what you're engaging init might seem supportive, but
it's not.
It has a long-term negative thatyou should be cautious and
conscious of that stuck with me.
I find that wisdom mirrored inso many other areas too.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
It's incredibly accurate.
So put a footpath in.
I'm not so sure about Ireland.
I know in Australia a footpathand there's a broken bit of the
footpath.
There's a hole in it, there's abuckle in it.
Someone trips on it.
So you go and see the councilbecause they're responsible,
apparently, instead of you beingresponsible for opening your
eyes and working where you look,you check.
Here in Indonesia I fell down ahole the other night because

(35:02):
they're doing a new footpathoutside.
There's no street lights, it'sdark.
I'm walking along the brand newfootpath and I can see a dark
bit at the other end and I thinkit's just the old footpath.
It was a hole.
I just went straight down thehole.
I couldn't see it was nobodyelse's problem than mine, so I
didn't look healthy enough.
So in Australia then you gostraight and sue someone.
We were taught someone else isresponsible.
I was the only one responsiblefor walking those steps there

(35:30):
and, funny, that accident cameright after I got the news.
My mother was going into anursing home the next day and I
felt guilty about it and it wasmy knee that hit my left knee,
so you know the stubborn prideand ego of her.
She didn't want to do that.
The truth was it was the bestthing for her, as a 94 year old,
to go into this situation whereshe was going to get her 24-7
care that she actually required.
She's not sick sick, there'snothing wrong with that.
She's 94 and a little lessmobile than she was.
But the point was that was inmy subconscious, so the thing I

(35:53):
couldn't speak up to and saythis is okay, mum, I'm just.
You know, you've got to panderto her whims.
I should have my tongue up andprotect them.
But it was within two hours ofthat conversation.
I'm now walking straight in thehole.
There's the accident come,because I'd always ask the
question bad luck, I wasn'twatching where I was going.
But then I'd ask myself why didyou have the accident?
Come straight to me, which partof your body did you hurt?

(36:14):
Oh, it was my left knee.
Okay, that's the female side,pride and ego.
I'm hurt for her, you know, butI feel her.
She doesn't want to be old, shedoesn't want to be in this
situation where she can't do thesplits and she can't go and be
the center of attention, whichis that's who my mum is, and uh.
So I feel her stuff in my headand instead of putting a tongue

(36:35):
up and protecting from it, I wasthe vulnerable son at that
point, and I'll go walking upthe road and fell down a hole.
So whose fault was that?
Jim's and nobody else's.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
And it's not like it's, it's it's hard taking that
kind of responsibility.
It's hard like breaking ascenario down like that and
seeing you know okay, this isthe circumstance that regards my
mum, this is how I'm letting itaffect me, while this is
actually really affecting me.
It's hard.
It's much, much easier to runoff and get tied up in the
stress and blame the people thatthey didn't finish their job

(37:10):
they didn't put a barrier aroundit protect you.
Yeah, it's Indonesian, they'regoing to do that.
I think an interesting thing, oran interesting pattern, is like
dealing with a complaint andlet's say, like you know, a
restaurant, somebody comes inand the parking amount how much
of that is that the bad foodservice of what's actually going
on in someone's life?
And I find oftentimes, whensomebody is perhaps coming at me

(37:32):
and I'm trying to logicallywork through whatever it is that
they're talking about, I getnowhere and it actually just
gets worse and worse and worse,whereas if you're, like you know
, let's push this aside, what'sreally going on?
It's amazing how I feel so manyof us, we distract ourselves

(37:52):
with issue and complaint andblame rather than if we actually
just let that go.
It gives us space to work onour stuff and in times of
conflict, one can findthemselves the victim of that,
the genuine victim of that often, and you will get nowhere
trying to solve the complaintsor the issues that are being
presented.
But the immediate resolutionwill come when you actually push

(38:14):
them aside and allow somebodyto just properly open up and see
their distraction.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
But then people have to own their own stuff, and
that's the point is, they don'twant to own it, they don't want
to blame.
You know, restaurants are greatones.
So a little example it's not arestaurant but a home situation
with the parents, and they hadfour children, and these were
quite alternate parents that umused to bring their kids along
for treatments.
And they brought this onelittle fellow who was, I think,

(38:40):
about nine or ten, and it hadquite bad food poisoning was his
term that he had and so I askedhim well, what happened?
What happened, mate?
Did you vomit?
Did you have diarrhea?
Oh yeah, I was sick.
I said okay.
I said so what did you eat?
He said sausages.
And I said okay.
So what did the rest of thefamily eat?
He said sausages.
I said how come they didn't getsick?

(39:01):
Oh well, I must have just gotthe same food.
So this is the point theparents found it difficult to go
and address these little thingswith him because they're the
parents, so I'm a neutral body,I can come and ask him those
questions without him feelingattacked by it.
So the time we pushed andpushed and pushed, so he had
quite bad vomiting and diarrhea,and so vomiting is rejection.

(39:23):
New ideas rejection.
The new diarrhea is fear,rejection, running away.
These parents had organised fora lovely family trip to
somewhere around here on one ofthe islands and anyway he's a
little guy who loves playingsoccer and all his mates they've
organised and in Indonesia it'snot as organised as in most

(39:43):
countries where kids haveorganised sport on Saturdays and
this is quite a special thingfor them.
But this kid loved his soccerand there was a soccer game
organised on the weekend thatthey're all going away to this
holiday family.
This kid didn't want to go andhe's saying to them I don't want
to go.
And they're well, we can'tleave you here.
You're 10 years old.
No, I'm not going, I don't wantto go.
So of course this is the nightthey've delivered this

(40:05):
information to him as he'shaving his dinner.
So of course he's gotchronically violently rejecting
this idea.
They're telling him and hewants to run away.
He doesn't want to be part ofit and there's fear that he's
not going to get to play soccerwith his mates.
So therefore he attracted theillness to him.
He was a good little kid thatwhen you kept pushing that to
him, you said isn't what wasreally going on in your head
Because you said, well, yeah,okay, that's why you got sick

(40:26):
and nobody else got sick,because they all wanted to go on
holidays with mum and dad.
You didn't.
That's why you got the deal.
And if we brutally look at this,restaurants are the same thing
as food poisoning.
You know, especially here inIndonesia, where people think
the food is second-rate I mean,food's just as good here anyway
as anywhere else.
And probably if we looked inthe kitchens in a lot of first

(40:52):
world countries, we probablywouldn't eat those places anyway
.
But here that's what theybelieve that they've got food
poisoning.
And Bali has its own name BaliBelly.
People come here.
They've got to change money,they've got to brush their teeth
and they're worried aboutswallowing the water and they're
going to die from it and littlethings that they don't do at
home, and all of a sudden thatfear comes into being here.
So fear then attracts that termbarley belly.

(41:12):
They get sick, they getdiarrhea and vomiting.
They lose three or four days ofthe holidays instead of working
out.
That's what my head's thinking.
I'd better protect myself whenit comes over.
You've got to get to knowyourself so you know those
things.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Can I ask you because , as you're sharing, what I'm
finding is actually like thewisdom is less a layering up and
solidifying kind of key points.
The one that I'm really takingon is like Jamie, take whole and
total responsibility, Get toknow yourself, own your shit,
but if you don't know who youare, so pleasure.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I'm a giver, not a receiver.
I love to give.
I don't like gifts, I don'tlike compliments, I don't like
anyone doing anything for me.
But I've known that for a longtime.
So instead of having the crappyankles I had for so many years
that swell used to be painfulthat I'd hardly find to be able
to walk I realized when there'spleasure in my head of either
going, surfing or doing whateverthings I think are pleasurable.

(42:04):
I've never changed me, I justunderstand.
That's my vulnerable quality.
So instead of my head going youknow you shouldn't do this.
You should be doing this withsuch and such, you should be
doing this for them.
I put my tongue up so I don'tlet that thought pattern get
there.
But I'm also 67.
I've been doing this for 40years, so I'm actually quite
good at it.
Because I ask other people.

(42:24):
I've got to ask myself the samequestions and it's not that
easy being brutally honest withyourself.
But that's my head.
I'm the only one who reallyknows it intimately.
So the more I get to know it,the better my well-being comes
and the better my body performs.
Yeah, that's it really is thatsimple and it I keep stressing
that you put to your people thatwhich glass of water you're

(42:45):
feeding and if we work out,we're going to feed the positive
one.
We won't get those problemsbecause you already said, when
my head's good, I've got all thegreat things around me.
Where my head shit, watch meattract all the negative shit
and that's pretty well how itworks.
And I, if you, I can't pushenough to people that we make it
too complicated instead ofsimply getting to know ourselves
so we can be ourselves.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
So yeah, so okay, get to know yourself so you can be
yourself, honor yourself, lookafter yourself, love yourself,
love yourself, takeresponsibility.
If something unfolds, takeresponsibility Actually actively
, almost search for your area ofresponsibility and don't see,

(43:27):
don't get distracted by littleailments, thinking they're
happening to you.
Generally speaking, they'rehappening for you and there's
some level of wisdom that youcan take from it, and that's
your cure.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
That's a clever analogy, because then you own it
and then you do something aboutit and that's going to manifest
and then you're.
And you know, men, I likepeople coming in here because I
like what I do, but what I likeseeing is the ultimate thing is
where they come back and theysend lovely messages, but they
also say if we don't sleepproperly and shit properly,

(43:56):
we're actually not living thatwell.
So two really important thingsto do is sleep properly at night
time and shit properly everyday.
It's really delightful when youhear someone.
It's not exactly what younormally talk about, but someone
comes in and says I had thebest shit last night.
When you hear people startseeing these little outcomes
they get just because of wordsthey said and them touching

(44:17):
little points, because theystart to get to know their body.
I often say to people when Italk about the little my
relation of what I use withacupressure, with the Chinese
body clock.
This is what we should havebeen taught at school Instead of
learning pi r squared or whenFerdinand Magellan sailed down
the Dardanelles Straits.
I mean that's uselessinformation.
That's the truth, it's garbage,actually it's totally garbage.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
It's complete destructive garbage.
I have this vision as well Forme.
I went to this Jesuit boardingschool where we played rugby.
That was our sport and we likereally beat ourselves up playing
rugby.
But then in most mornings, wehad some level of prayer or
singing hymns you know grand,and everything like that.

(45:01):
But I always thought if, insteadof learning all these prayers
and singing all these hymns, wewere taught to meditate and we
just got the time to sit withourself and, instead of beating
the crap out of ourselves on arugby pitch, we were taught yoga
, like the difference of sixyears of one versus the other.
Now I could say this to myfriends at home, but I can

(45:22):
actually picture them sittingaround having pints, laughing
profusely at me.
But I would love to see like ifwe could almost match up
different worlds, where Jamiegoes into one and he's freaking,
rehearsing all these prayersand hymns and really working
hard on a rugby pitch andbeating himself up, or two,
jamie's sitting in meditationevery day and Jamie practicing

(45:44):
yoga and learning to play thedrum and you know, doing
different hair designs and goingsurfing.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I mean you'd be much happier, kid.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
My little boy's doing that now but happier is like
the power that I would haveinside, the energy that would
flow through me.
You'd be on a different plane.
You'd be in a different world.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
But your parents were not programmed that way.
So they told you you had tohave your HSC, finish your
school, so you had to go touniversity.
If you didn't do that, we go toschool and we're taught by
teachers who went to school,went to university and went back
to school.
And I'm not detrimental toteachers.
Teachers do a wonderful jobbecause of the program they're

(46:25):
teaching and it's a difficultsituation, especially with kids
today that I would not like tobe a teacher, but they're
telling those kids that if youdon't get your HSC at the end of
the year you're going to be afailure at school, A failure in
life, because you don't get thatso-called achievement.
That's bullshit.
People who don't get it whostill end up being incredibly
successful in their businessesor in their ventures they choose

(46:47):
.
My brother was when my brotherolder me.
He's a guy who was we now learnhe probably was dyslexic, so he
saw things upside down and backto front, but he was told he
was a bad kid.
He's got, you know, such a vastamount of beautiful land in
Western New South Wales now heproduces animals and crops that

(47:09):
you know.
Nobody knew this guy had anyability.
They used to rubbish him, buthe didn't fit the bill of going
to school so he was told hewasn't going to be successful.
He's probably one of the mostsuccessful men I know, yet he
was rubbished and ridiculed forall those things that he didn't
fit into society.
He was a rebel.
He liked to be on the bad sideof things all the time because

(47:32):
that was his rejection of whatthey felt there.
So he rebelled againsteverything.
But like all of us, we pull inthe line and he's become a very
successful man and I'm veryproud of what he's done.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I love when we go back to.
Sorry if I go back to the veryOne of the very first things
where you were talking aboutwhat set you off in your journey
, and it was a confrontingdiagnosis from a doctor where
you were curious beyond that, Iwhere you were curious beyond
that.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
I was scared is what it was.
I was scared.
My ego was in the way that howwould I be able to do all these
things?
Because my physical body wouldnot be the same.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
But most people's fears will have them surrender
your fear, charged a curiosityand an energy.
To be honest, to go acircuitous route, I always have
Steve Jobs's.
When he went back to Apple, hecreated this ad campaign where
he was like we're for the rebels, the changemakers, those that

(48:21):
want to question the system.
Carve out their own path, andit's really beautifully done and
it's always inspired within me.
This idea that you know,unfortunately, if we follow the
system, we don't really getrewarded.
To be rebellious is actuallywhat ultimately speaks To be in

(48:45):
yourself.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yeah, that's what being rebellious is.
To be in yourself is to berebellious.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, totally when there's all these influencing
factors in the world.
When everybody is trying tonormalise out, to be yourself, I
would would think, is one ofthe most rebellious acts you can
do totally, totally, becauseyou're not playing the game with
everyone else, but you've gotto get to know yourself, to be
yourself.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
And then, given the education there's people
speaking up about it now, abouthow inept it is, how you program
into this.
The bell goes you move to class.
The bell goes you.
It's getting you prepared to goand be a worker, not be a
thinker.
And unfortunately and that'salso just a little thing aside

(49:23):
about that tongue when you touchthat point in your mouth and I
see people Google it up so theycan actually see where it is
it's two and a half centimetresfrom the back of your teeth is
where you touch.
But that stimulates pineal glandand pineal gland is where our
free thinking comes from, whereour wisdom, inside intuition
comes from.
Now you know this society hasbeen dumbing us down for a few
generations now, with puttingfluoride in our water, aluminium

(49:47):
now getting sprayed from thesky, along with all the other
metals and stuff that hardensour pineal gland.
That's why people follow likesheep is because they can't
freely think for themselves andthat's why they don't get out of
the square is because they'retold how to think.
And those free thinkers are theones who step aside and do
things like my brother.
What he did, you know, he was afree thinker there's a great

(50:08):
saying in the investment world.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Like I got ready to add you and said if you want to
be successful, look whateverybody else is doing and do
the opposite.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
But it's pretty right some of this we can fob off.
Here's what you said abeautiful comment there before
if you don't want people to seeit, put it straight in front of
them.
So there's the classic thing ifyou don't want to, don't want
to pick the wrong answer, don'tdo what everyone else does and
you'll get the right outcome ofit.
I was told by a solicitor who,when I was building my house and

(50:39):
had to do a will, and he saidwhat are you going to do for
work?
Because I had a job at thebowling club at that time as the
head grandkeeper there and youknow it was a safe job and it
was a nice job.
I loved my job.
But the point was I wanted to dothis work and he said you know
you can't support a family withthat.
You know my daughters wereprobably 10 and 12, 11 and 12,
13, something like that.

(51:01):
And he hoo-ha'd me that youknow you think you can actually
create a family and survive andsupport them by being a massage
therapist.
You're a kid, aren't you?
Now, that was a solicitortelling me that and he really
hoo-ha'd me and as teachers didat school, you can't be anything
.
You're a waffler, mr Doyle,you're nothing.
So all those little limits putthere to me, if I heard it
enough, I started to believe it.
But I thank that guy because healso made me dig my heels in

(51:25):
harder going.
Well, we'll see, I'll show you.
I have a few of those things inmy life where people tell me I
can't do something.
And I thank them for actuallydoing it to me now, because it
actually made me put my heels inand say I'll show you so I hear
that and I kind of get a littlebit envious.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I remember at 18 I really wanted to be a life coach
and I remember saying it.
I remember being sounbelievably shot there, laughed
us and I went into, went tonightclubs and marketing, went
to magazines, went to all sortsof events and and that was great
and I learned loads and I didreally well from it.

(52:02):
But only one, 12, 13 yearslater to kind of come full
circle yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
But man, do you think I knew this as what I was gonna
do?
Man, I had no idea what Iwanted to do.
I actually said that one day Iwant to be a green kid because I
thought that looks like a nicejob.
You work outdoors, that soundsnice.
I forgot that it's freezingcold in the morning, it's dark.
When you've got to go to work,it's on the weekend.
You're going to work and allyour mates are still in bed when
they're pissed off from thenight.
Before.
I had to go to work after a fewyears of not doing an

(52:31):
apprenticeship.
I didn't want to do it becauseI thought, well, I don't know,
but I've already committed to it, and said I was going to do it.
I'm glad I did, because itactually teached me how much I
love plants and it was a goodjob.
But the fact was, rewardingfinancially was very poor in
that particular day.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah, I look back on my trips and I was like Jamie,
we were dealing with literallylike we had 20,000 people going
through our doors every week,and so I got to engage and work
with so many people.
I had 800 part-time staff atone stage, so I just I got this
enormous experience.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
What a life lesson of people.
How many people you know?
In my work I probably treated80,000 people and again, that
sounds big, as you said, in thenumber Put in the population of
the world, the world's 7.5billion people.
Put people, put 80, 80, 000,that deal, it's like 0.00000,
about 100 hours before you getto it.
So, and that's why I then startthinking how come everyone

(53:26):
doesn't know this, how comeeveryone hasn't seen that book?
Because it's not common.
That's the point of it andthat's why you get put in this
little category of the healer Ikind of get this.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
this line is kind of developing as we're chatting.
It's really like in connectingwith you and understanding your
work and hearing you speak, it'slike, jamie, follow your heart.
It's so important that you doand so much more important than
you know, so much more impactingthan you know, especially so if

(53:57):
you don't so often people canwork out stuff for themselves if
, if they experience having coldfeet all the time.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Think of logically what cold feet says.
Cold feet says my circulationis not good to what you're
saying.
But the term of cold feet saysthere's lack of courage or
conviction about walking whereyou want to walk.
So therefore you've got.
Cold feet says there's lack ofcourage or conviction about
walking where you want to walk.
So therefore you've got coldfeet about taking the next step
Instead of because people comein here and this is the tropics.
So I'll say to them why areyour feet cold?

(54:26):
Oh, they've been on the coldtile floors and then I'll put my
feet on top of them and say sohave mine, mine are fucking hot
Because I'm walking.
I've got the courage to walkwhere I want to walk and that's
the little point about gettingenough balls to go and say I
really want to do this.
That's a big cause saying Iwant to be a life coach,
especially as a young kid.
But he knew he had something tooffer.

(54:48):
So he keeps opening doors up tokeep letting himself in there.
That tells me you didn't getcold feet because you kept
taking those steps.
Cold feet because you kepttaking those steps.
I can't see how many friendsthat come and they'll blame the
weather.
They can't blame it here,because this is the tropics.
It's never cold here and youknow the floor is cold from the
air conditioning.
Of course it is.
I stand on the top.
My feet are hot.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
You know what you said, like that phrase oh, I've
got cold feet.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I think there's an enormous amount of wisdom,
similarly speaking, enormousamount of wisdom, similarly
speaking, hidden in everydaylanguage that we don't quite
appreciate the spells this iswhere you got that word spells
and I, I I definitely doappreciate that.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
I think there's there's too many norms, society,
that knock us out of power forit not to be constructed in that
way.
It's just, I'm just likethere's just too much in the
kind of norm, in how we livethat knocks me out of my power

(55:43):
and to get back in.
It's almost again, almost asobvious as just look at what
everybody else is doing and dothe opposite that I, yeah,
definitely my head starts to goquite conspiratorial.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
But don't you find, as you do, that you attract more
people of like mind as well?
And that's what you do is.
This is a law of attraction.
You know, you say those things,you attract those things you
know it often comes up.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
It's like jay, why have you moved to bali?
Why do you spend so much timethere?
And it's like well, honestly,it's because I found my tribe
that live this philosophy.
When I share any of this.
There's no newness in any ofthis.
Everybody's like yeah, ofcourse.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Well, there's a book called the Secret that I just
forget who the author was, but Iremember one of my clients many
years ago back in Australiasaying it's not really a secret.
We already know this stuff andI said it's a secret to everyone
else.
So it's a great title to getpeople interested to go.
What's the secret?
Secret's just what we'retalking about.
It's not a secret, but to a lotof people it is a secret
because they've never heard itbefore.
So by hearing it they actuallystart to do these wonderful

(56:45):
things for themselves.
And if we understood we're inthis life for us and us alone,
and if we don't do the best wecan in that life, then we're
pretty well wasted our time.
Can we share something that Ithink is quite?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
it's one of my.
I'm always kind of journeyingthrough my learnings, but this
is one of the things that I'mfinding quite confronting and
interesting at the moment is howwhat you just hear there, like
jane, you're in this life foryou and you alone, live it,
whereas what I recognize is thatI distract myself a lot of the
time by, like, say, trying tohelp somebody or trying to solve

(57:20):
somebody else's problem I hadthis very confronting moment.
I've had it probably a few times, but especially so over the
last couple of weeks, where Iwas like wait a second, I'm
spending more time trying tosolve other people's problems
than the than mine, and like I'malso kind of pointing out
perhaps some other people'sproblems than the then mine and
like I'm also kind of pointingout perhaps some other people's
problems, but mine are glaringlyobviously in front of me as

(57:41):
well.
But I'm like blinding myself bydistraction and I the more I
recognize that the more I justdo me, the more I progress and
grow and the more that actuallyhelps others around me totally.
And I think I don't.
I look, I'm saying I have to dothe maths on it or figure it
out, but I think it's fairlyobvious that if I just do me, I

(58:03):
would serve a greater impact onthose around me, whereas in
distracting myself and trying todo such a good impact on for
those around me, I distractmyself with myself and I
actually just annoy other peopleand it's I don't know if that's
the case.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
I think that's probably a bit harsh on yourself
.
But if you think about thatcard I first gave and I do to
everyone I love and approve ofmyself.
I love and accept myself.
I love and appreciate myselfwhat you're doing is saying
those words approve, accept andappreciate for yourself exactly
how you're not programmed.
What we're looking for, as mostof us, is their approval, their
acceptance, their appreciation.
That's what I say to people theolder you get, the less you care

(58:39):
about that.
It's not to get to your 40s andI encourage you, don't be in a
rush to get to your 40s, butonce you get to your 40s that
starts to decline.
So at 67, man, I don't give arat's ass what anyone thinks, I
give a rat's ass what I thinkand I pay attention to my head
and it's.
I've got that past of it'sbeing egotistical or selfish,
it's being centered on self.

(58:59):
So the better I'm centered, thebetter I am for people around
me.
Yeah, because I've got a calmhead and like things that you
are very good at this, where youcan't talk the talk unless you
walk on the walk.
You walk the walk.
Good man, most people talk thetalk but don't walk the walk and
you can't.
You can't do one without theother.
The other thing he said aboutBali, just so people understand

(59:19):
what it is and it works forenergetics, bali and Peru are
both magnetically opposite ofeach other, so they call them
the thinnest veils of energyavailable to man and on those
two points there, black andwhite energy.
There is no grey here.
As you will attest to this, youeither go to your highest
vibration or it just eats youalive here.
There's nothing in between.

(59:40):
And the longer I live here, themore I realise, when I go back
to Australia, what a beautiful,pristine first world country it
is, where everything's clean andquiet and ordered, and it's
quite a beautiful country.
However, inertly, it's dead.
There is no energy there.
And every time I go back there,andately, it's dead.
There is no energy there.
Yeah, and every time I go backthere and this was, you know,

(01:00:00):
sometimes it's quite a few yearsand I don't go there in between
because of covid, one, you know, for three or four years.
And when I went back there Iforgot how pristine it was, but
then I forgot how dead it was inthe energy wise.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
So can I ask that?
Because here is so alive?

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
but.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I have this same feeling when I go home.
I was having a chat with one ofmy friends.
He was like Jamie, do you knowwhat?
I can't remember seeing abutterfly.
And I remember I had to go.
A family member passed away.
We had to drive down to thecountry a year ago and as we
drove down to the country, therewas no flies, no, no bugs, no

(01:00:37):
anything on the windscreen.
And I remember when I was fiveor six, just you know, the
windscreen would be disgustingand.
I get that here, here is soalive, god almighty.
There's just bugs everywhereand there's all, all sorts.
And so I have this feeling.
I'm like, yeah, here is soalive, here is a different
energy altogether.

(01:00:57):
But as I'm going home, I'mfeeling this deadness.
But it used to be that way, no,but it's become sterile, and
that's what's happened.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
This is why I talked about this control, and that's
where the conspiracy stuff comesin.
It's nonsense, but that's whatthey're doing.
There's control coming from ahandful of group of people that
are very wealthy, that want tocontrol the world for themselves
.
We're just not that importanthere, so they're doing it to
control the weather.
They're doing it to controleverything that goes on there

(01:01:31):
your money, where you're living,what you're doing with your car
, what you're doing with yourspending your money.
I mean, it's bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Okay so the more alive, let's say, nature is, the
more it brings you back toyourself.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
To yourself.
So could you imagine thatthere's been a cashless society
here?

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Yeah, indonesia's got 280 million people.
There's no welfare here.
If you don't find a little warwrong or find some way of making
money or selling a product,illegally or legally, however
you do it you're going to die.
There's no government going tocome and provide welfare or
support for you.
We come from such a nanny statethat if we haven't got a job,

(01:02:09):
someone's going to give us money.
We can get money for rent.
They'll pay you rent for you.
But in doing so they've culledus down to the point where we
stop free thinking here.
They're incredibly innovativein whatever they do, because
they're gonna survive.
If they don't find it, thennobody else is gonna support
them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
I remember being blown away by my buzz so my buzz
now is like, let's say,holistic well-being and deep
psychology.
I'm like, ah, so interested.
But about ten years ago I wasobsessed with interviewing
entrepreneurs, entrepreneurshipand one thing I was blown away
when I first came over here,which was about seven or eight
years ago, was everybody was anentrepreneur, every local was an

(01:02:49):
entrepreneur.
They had five or six businesses.
You know if they were rentingscooters, if they were selling
stuff on the side of the road ifthey're doing work at the
weekend.
Everybody is not just anentrepreneur, they are serial
entrepreneurs and, yeah, exactlyas you said, the states are
there to support them.
They're supporting themselvesand they're really abundant as a
result, and there was an energy, there was a vibrancy, there

(01:03:10):
was like a safety in that and aresilience in that.
And when I get home, to be anentrepreneur is such a select
thing, you know, to beself-sufficient is a very, very
select thing and I remember youknow a lot of, let's say that I
always think there's like, say,a western superiority and a oh

(01:03:31):
god, how was it over in Bali?
You know, how are the people upthere?
They're so poor.
I'm like no, they're, they'rereally happy.
They have a vibrancy and anenergy about, about them that's
actually very confronting andreally, you know, how are the
people up there?
They're so poor and I'm like no, they're really happy.
They have a vibrancy and anenergy about them that's
actually very confronting andyou really look in the mirror
and wonder what you're doingwrong.
And a natural fact.
It has me kind of reallyquestioning certain norms here
and certain supports that wethink are in our best interest.

(01:03:52):
But a natural fact.
It seemed to almost cut us offat the knees.
They survived us and interest,but in actual fact it seemed to
almost cut us off at the knees.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
They're survivors and they'll survive, no matter what
goes on.
They'll survive.
Could you imagine you know kidsfrom the generation in our
first world countries if therewas no food in the stores, would
they know how to grow food?
They'd have no idea.
I saw a ridiculous thing wherein the States they were talking

(01:04:17):
about banning animals because ofthe farts they do and, you know
, causing the greenhouse gas toaffect our ozone layer, et
cetera, or our climate change,and she said just take the
animals out of there and justget them from the shops.
Now that was a, I'm sure shewent to school, I'm sure, but
that was her logical statementJust forget them there, just get

(01:04:38):
them to the shops.
And the guy said where do youthink they come from to get to
the shops?
Oh, I don't know, they justcome in the shops.
She had no perception that thatanimal was grown outside to put
in the shops so she could go tothe shops and buy it.
That's her limit of where shesaw it come from.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
We've dumb much, they can't think for themselves.
It's sad actually.
I remember sitting around atable with a bunch of friends
and one of them had a lot oflamb and I was like, oh my god,
would you not have your ownchickens here to have your own
eggs?
And they were like, oh, it'stoo close to my food chain.
I was like what she said, no,no, I just want to buy them in
the packet from the local Tesco,whereas for me, oh my God, I
would think there's nothingnicer than having a connection
with your chain.
I remember it was nice.
I was visiting a famine villagein Ireland.

(01:05:20):
It's like one of the old stonecottages from the 1800s when
Ireland was really, really intough circumstances.
And what they said was theywere like, oh, this is the home,
and you know, if the family waslucky enough to have some goats
or some sheep or some cows, andthey would all live together
and they would, you know, thefamily would, would heat the

(01:05:41):
home with heat from the animals.
And I was like, oh, so it'squite a symbiotic relationship
which is like of course, youknow, and like car gets to sleep
inside, so the cow then givesmilk the next day to the family
and everybody kind of gets on.
And I remember it was a bigtour.
Be like that's gross, it'sdisgusting.
How interesting that there'sthis kind of this separatist

(01:06:02):
nature, this, this kind of false.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
It's the steroid, we become sterile.
You can't have, you have dirtyyou kind of.
So, it said my wife'sIndonesian.
I've been with her for nineyears.
That's how camp on life stillexists in most parts of
Indonesia.
The Kambing still lives in theback of their house with people.
The Chuks live in their housewith the people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
There's a sense of living together, supporting each
other.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Also, the old families all live together as
well.
They live in a little thingthey call Kampung, which means
it's their little village ortheir little group of houses.
But they all live together andif one has something they share
it with someone else.
They grow their own cassava,they grow their own chilli.
One first meeting with mymother-in-law, I arrived at the
house in the kampung there andImus wasn't there and I think,

(01:06:46):
well, where is she Next thing?
This woman comes out with thisbig pile of green leafy shit on
her back and I'm thinking, whoa,what's that?
I thought she must have beenbringing the food home for the
animals.
She'd been in doing her weeklygrocery shopping in the jungle,
getting the greens for all thepeople in the kampong.
Oh wow, that was for food.
That wasn't for the animal,that was for the food.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
I spent a few weeks in Texas on a general farm and I
remember having a fresh milkfrom the cows that day and then
going out and having chats withthe cows and I was like, thank
you, your milk was delicious,let me give you some grass.
And basically because in theirpaddock they had eaten all the

(01:07:27):
grass, so I whipped it all upand I came over and I was
obviously in my own world ofthis, but I just thought it was
nice.
It's like this doesn't have tobe like perceived as an abusive
relationship or something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
But there's you showing gratitude, so you're
getting the exact gratitude back.
I always say that people havecompassion and empathy for
everything, have sympathy for noone or anything.
Sympathy is when the victimcomes out.
Get the violin out, play theviolin string, but we should all
have compassion and empathy.
You the violin out, play theviolin string, but we should all
have compassion and empathy.
You did what the glass of waterwas doing you went and thanked

(01:08:01):
him for that lovely milk.
I grew up in a dairy and I wasone of seven kids growing up and
I for some reason didn't likemilk and there was fresh milk in
the churns there with cream,you know, half an inch thick on
the top of the churns there.
I'd run from my brothers andsisters and fight to have it.
I don't want that now again.
That was just my head and mytaste buds, but the fact was we

(01:08:22):
mightn't have had money but wehad things that nobody else had.
Every kid wanted to come andplay at our place.
I also went to a christianbrother school also went through
, where they you know the richkids would come over to the poor
house that had chooks up thebackyard and they want to go and
play in the chook pen and theywant to go and run in the
paddock, get horse cow shit allover them and they could never
do that at their places.
They were sterile and we'vebeen starting this sterility for

(01:08:43):
a long time going.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
There's something wrong with you if you want to
get dirty yeah, I, I love thecontrast of perspective that,
like you know, perhaps thesuperiority and wealth and and
generally speaking, you don'tappreciate what you have, and
everything like that.
I find it really interestingwhen I'm just going to different
cultures, different backgrounds, different, different wealths

(01:09:07):
and seeing that there's joy inthe most interesting things and
there's sorrow.
Similarly speaking, there'sdepression like there was in
others.
I love the overall philosophythat I've kind of taken from you
.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Just one more little one.
So when I first came to Bali,financially I was struggling a
bit.
I shan't go into why thathappened.
It was through a relationshipbreakup.
However, one of the clients Itreated at that time was an
American entrepreneur, and theguy was not a millionaire, he
was a multi-billionaire and hebig note at one time said to me
Mason, made you, come and treatme where I am.

(01:09:42):
He said I'll pay you ten timesyour fee.
At that point I would doanything to get money, because I
didn't have any money to payrent and do all the things that
I need.
Life was tough and I've beendoing this work for a long time
as well.
So I'll go to this, this guy'splace.
It was up in Jalan Petitingatand I don't remember the name of
the place, but besides takingquite a while to get through the

(01:10:02):
security, it was my last job ofthe day.
I was living up in Sundal atthe time and it was still
another hours of journey to gethome because of the redoing the
highways.
It was a disaster actually.
Anyway, anyway, I've gone andseen this guy and this place
he's staying in is swish, jamie,it's got everything that you
could imagine and uh.
So he's, he's a bit big notingand saying mate, come and look

(01:10:22):
at the place.
And uh, so he's showing me thegold fitting taps and the silk
sheets and the cartier glass andthe chandelier, the you know
paintings I've got these.
He's big noting and afterseeing a few things I said okay,
mate, that's great.
Where's the table?
Let's get on with the job.
He said you don't seem sointerested and I said, in all
honesty, I'm not the slightestbit interested.
He said, buddy, this place costme 1500 American dollars a

(01:10:46):
night and I laughed at him.
I said, oh yeah.
I said my partner in Senua costme less than 400 American
dollars a month.
I said maybe we do the samething.
He said what?
And I said sleep.
I said the difference is Isleep, you don't.
And that guy had had.
He was 50, he'd banged so muchcoke up his nose he had to get
two replacement nostrils up hisnose and he was still bragging
about it as a 50-year-old.

(01:11:06):
Now, everyone's done that stuff.
I mean it doesn't mean you'rebetter or worse, I mean
everyone's done it.
But that night when I'm drivinghome with 10 times that hourly
rate that I normally got in mypocket and I remember riding the
bike home that night going atthe top of my voice I'm rich,
I'm rich.
And it was nothing to do withthe money in my pocket, it was.
The fact is I realised I ownpeace, love, joy and happiness.
That guy owns none of them.

(01:11:27):
There's a difference of beingrich and if we also look at that
, I mean man, we all want thenice things of life.
We all want to be able to goand buy what we want to do, so
we all need money to do that.
But he had enough for 100lifetimes.
He didn't know what you and Iare.
And that's when you realise howrich you actually are and it

(01:11:49):
humbles you down a little bit togo yeah, that's all nice to
have, but he's pining for whatI've got and I didn't have to
buy it, I earned it.
Keep those little simplephilosophies of what you're
doing and you'll make life a lotsimpler.
We all desire money.
We all desire those things, todo those things, but they're not
that important and I had it allat one point, but also had it

(01:12:09):
taken off me.
So the point was it was notthat wonderful to see that I had
those things and all of asudden I didn't, and if you saw
my living standards where Ilived in Australia to where I
first come and lived inLembongan in Bali here you'd
have a little bit of a laugh atthe place I lived in and but did
the job.
A couple of years later I movedback to the mainland and

(01:12:32):
gradually improved.
Little places to do.
I don't own anything.
I don't need to own anything.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Yeah, I think life is a hell of a lot More fruitful
when you can recognize what itis actually and how little that
is and what is that you don'tneed and how so much of that was
actually taking more from youthat I was giving.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
And and don't not be what your lovely nature is as a
bear giver there's not enough ofthat in the world.
But don't dare be detrimentalto yourself about actually doing
that for people, but do it foryourself first, and then, if you
do it for yourself first, thenyou're going to be even more
powerful to do it for others.
Yeah, I love that kind oflittle analogy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
One should fill their cup first and pour from the
overflow.
Beautiful, that's a greatanalogy.
Yeah, and learning what thatreally means.
It's funny.
Sometimes it's the simplest oflittle phrases that you sit with
and you kind of evolve anddevelop kind of new
understandings, and I used tothink that, oh yeah, build your
energy up first and foremost,and then then perhaps you can

(01:13:33):
run around looking aftereverybody else.
Really, for me, what I feelfilling my cup is like Jamie, go
on your mission, stay true toyour purpose, learn, develop,
grow, expand in that field and,as a result, when you engage
with anybody else, you will beable to show up so much more
Totally.
Pursue your interests and wantsand bring other people along on

(01:13:54):
that, but don't get distracted.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Running around after other people, totally that's
approve, accept, appreciateyourself, do them first, then
the others will come becauseyou're showing them how to do it
anyway, because I said you'recoaching and guiding them
through and they say, well,you're not really doing that,
and that's what I get.
To that point I can't say thatthe people you do these things,
if I don't do it myself, I do it.
Nobody's perfect anything, man.

(01:14:16):
Don't start thinking we've gotto be perfect.
As long as we're doing our best, you can't do any better than
your best it's, you know, havingthis image that I want to share
with you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
I started this year.
I was having a real low point.
I was really out of sorts and Iremember every morning I
started like kind of building my, my, my structure and my
strategy for kicking myself outof those circumstances.
I did everything.
I got up and I made my bedfirst because I wanted to have a
sense of accomplishment andthat prepped for the evening.

(01:14:45):
I go downstairs and I challengemyself with a cold shower and
again give myself that sense ofI'm in control here and I fight
my fears.
But I actually remember I wouldhug myself and say exactly that
I love and appreciate myself, Ilove and accept myself, I love
and approve of myself.
And I also added a fourth one,which is I love and acknowledge

(01:15:08):
the hero that I am and I.
I sat in those cold showershugging myself and saying those
lines and like I love andappreciate myself, like I sat
with that as in, I appreciatewho I am, how I am, how I'm
showing up in the world, Iapprove.

(01:15:30):
I say I love and approve ofmyself.
I approve of who I am, how I,how I'm showing up in the world,
and I'd love them to acceptthat.
I'd love them to accept myself.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
I tell you that takes balls to do that, man, because
the fact is you feel when I sayto people.
You feel stupid initially.
You get to it and you startrealizing wow, that really puts
energy in me, that makes me feelgood.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
The more I did that honestly, the more I did that
honestly, the more I actually Iremember certain points, sitting
there hugging myself, goingthrough that process and crying
with like a feeling of jamie,you've come back to yourself,
this is a big accomplishment,it's huge, it's huge and it's
again.
It's so easily lost right.
And I did that.
I said those lines mirror for alittle while and I kind of
rhymed and wrapped them in acouple of bit of form, but it
wasn't until a very low pointwhere I really grabbed them and

(01:16:21):
I learned what it meant toactually say them, to feel them
and to enjoy the benefit of that.
So, thank you, thank you somuch my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
And you keep doing what you're doing, because if we
don't have people putting theirguidance out to people because
that's your expertise, thenothers don't get to hear the
simplicity of it.
So take in power.
What you're doing it's a.
You call yourself a differentname.
You're just doing exactly whatI do feeding the glass of water
man, and keep feeding itbeautifully, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Thank you if somebody's listening and they
feel really inspired and they'dlove to connect with you.
Is that possible?

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Yeah, sure, I do FaceTime sessions with this.
I also do personal situationshere in Bali.
I will give you my email andnumber If they desire it.
They can contact you Lovely.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Yeah, if anybody wants, that's something that I'm
going to highly recommend.
It's like I always do Anybodywhenever they're here and
they're like who should I reachout to?
I'm like Jim, you should chatto Jim.
So if anybody's reachinglistening to this, they want,
feel free to send me a messageon Instagram and I'll share the
contact details thank you verymuch, jamie.

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